Who's the Best Composer of All Time!?
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This battle would look very different if they were pianists instead of violinists
Yess lol
Yes I agree, especially for chopin! But tbh I would still pick Bach as my number 1 haha
it's so true.
I got so triggered when they chose Tchaikovsky over Liszt. Tchaikovsky is so overrated and the only piece which could match Liszt is his 6th symphony
Yess lol i am so offended by their choices
If there were cellists doing this Bach would win automatically. Idea: maybe you guys can get a bunch of other musician friends to serve as the judges, and you each take turns trying to convince them who's better.
Lmao yes, it was easily Bach for me no matter who came up, except Beethoven
@@GhostGamer123Ghost same
If it were pianists, Chopin would probably win (orchestration being a category didn’t seem fair)
444th like lets go
@@astroneural yep, Chopin for me.
TSV: Spends 80% of video on Bach vs. Debussy.
Also TSV: Spends 1 second on Bach vs. Mozart.
Spends 0.1 seconds on Liszt vs Tchaikovsky
@@zzedixx IKR!
Reasonably so. Bach was a better composer, composed a wider range of pieces in terms of instrumentation and style, and had a greater impact on music than Mozart did. I still love Mozart's music, but Bach was better.
@@WorldifySanity yeah, but Don Giovanni tho
@@zzedixx Spends 0.00000000000001 seconds on Brahms vs Haydn
10:46 Fun fact: Tchaikovsky once disliked Brahms as he thought his music was too formal and didn't have enough expression of emotion. However, after meeting Brahms in person and drank with him, he changed his opinion on his personality and thought he was a nice person, but remained disapproved on his music.
I always thought Brahms of someone who obviously wanted to sound like Beethoven but fell well short.
Brahms' music always feels stern to me. At times it does feel a bit formal. But that doesn't take away from what the music has to offer.
Man I can't even imagine what it would be like them seeingmost of the modern mainstream songs now lol
@@dudeabides23 then you don't know what Brahms is really like. I imagine you might get that impression from listening to Brahms' first symphony, which was his homage to Beethoven. But his own lyrical language is quite different, and very profound in a non-Beethoven-like way. I particularly enjoy his 3rd symphony and his double concerto for violin and cello. Also German Requiem is very epic.
@@reepicheepsfriend I'm not sure who knows what Brahms is really like. I just know I don't care for him. I sense a great deal of desperation and insincerity in his music. It's a mess as far as I can tell. If you like him that's great.
I love how they started so formal, dividing compositional and overall skill to individuals, and halfway through they were tired of it.
Your on point description reminds me of their bubble tea review.
I wouldn't have minded a 30 minute video 😅 The analysis you were doing at the beginning was fine and informative, I think you could have continued, especially for the finale! But it was a great video, as usual!
This is my favourite type of TwoSet content. Nerding about classical music and going in depth about why they rate things a certain way! It's just a pity this video is so short!
Going in depth = "Don't actually like carnival of the animals" 😂
@@sunsunsunh Yeah, I know, not for every match. I definitely wish they'd done it even more. But this is much more in depth than some of their earlier stuff when they'd rank things without explanation.
I would have liked a two parted series of this format, going more in the detail as they did in the beginning.
Nerding at this level validates my existence.
TwoSet: This video is getting long
Us: Have you MET us!?
Beethoven himself said it best: "Nicht Bach, sondern Meer sollte er heißen."
"Bach" is also the german word for a small river, so this roughly translates to "He shouldn't be called Stream, but Sea."
Brook more than stream.
@@henrykaspar3634 Sei zuversichtlicher! Du hast Recht.
i did say that
@@ludwigvanbeethoven4111 yessir my guy
OMG when is your next album coming out?
I loved everything about this video but the casual dismissal of Rach and Chopin struck deep into my pianist's heart lol
Chopin and Rach are great for Friday night's when you're throwing a small party.
But for the bigger stages we need something abit more robust.
@@Lasse3 literally the most popular competition is the Chopin competitions
@@itskxmi i just wrote a comment, I hardly know these composers 🤣
@@Lasse3 If Rach's Symphony No. 2 and his magnum opus Symphonic Dances aren't "robust" then I don't know what is.
@@Lasse3 if you don’t know what you’re even talking about then you should refrain from making such comments. Some people are gonna attack you like you never knew before
Here is the money I saved from not drinking bubble tea today lol This is for my tuition fee here at Twoset Academy! Thank you Prof Chen and Prof Yang, for lecturing me about these awesome composers and for lowering my consumption of bubble tea (too much sugar lah lol) And of course, for pushing me to practice!
nice!!!
:)
The fact that im drinking bubble tea when i saw this comment
PS: some boba tea places offer different options for sugar (30% sugar, no sugar, 100% sugar, etc)
@@justsomethingiguess lol true
Well, after all he's a "master of polyphony, structure and tonality". You can even say he's "in a different league, you can't even touch him".
I wonder, what would "Mozart vs Chopin" diss track would sound like...
Chopin: *sick dis*
Mozart: hahahahahahahahah kiss my arse
That line (polyphony, structure, and tonality) is my favourite in their video.
Wait till you hear of Scriabin
@@pierrelawson941 actually Scriabin was influenced by Chopin. That's why they had a similarities
@@pierrelawson941 scriabin had a chopin body pillow (he was down bad for the man's music)
My pianist bias really showing😅 Justice for Chopin, Rachmaninoff and Liszt!
Absolutely! Especially Rachmaninov considering the colours in his composition.
Yooo amen… they didn’t even consider Liszt to make it to the next round 😢
Nah Liszt was better than rach and Chopin
The shouldn’t rank Liszt since they are violinists in the first place
Down with Tchaikovsky!! Wow, I can't believe I'm saying this
4:58 of course ,violinists.
7:38 of course ,violinists.
9:50 of course ,violinists. (Kinda agree though)
I know they’re violinists, but if Paganini is given a fair chance against Vivaldi, then Liszt deserves a fair chance against Tchaikovsky.
@@ShaunakDesaiPiano But Paganini only got one vote, and that was it's fun to watch live performers mastering his difficult pieces. -- But I agree. He doesn't belong here. And in my opinion, neither does Tchaikovsky. Like comparing Pergolesi/Wagner/Rossini with Puccini.
If you don't think mozart is a better composer than chopin ur tripping balls bro
If I'm gonna have to die on this hill alone then I will LMAO, Liszt is a really great composer and was really impactful on music. He was also reallt versatile and was indeed able to not only write for piano but also for orchestra (symphonic poems and some symphonies)
Props to Editor-san giving the whole video a pokémon-game vibe.
Bach is always our number 1, but I was so offended about Rachmaninoff lol, guys you should listen to that composer more. His harmonies, techniques and just overall music is astonishing and ingenious !
So true!!!!!
I have always thought Rachmaninoff is so underrepresented on the channel. I am a pianist tho and the undeniable fact is that I think every pianist has probably fallen in love with Rach. Rachmaninoff genuinely changed the way I thought about music, made me hear things and feel things I didn’t know were possible. Rach will always have a special place in my heart.
I'm just totally agreed with you
Liszt too man
rachaninoff is good, but he is not great, he has a few good pieces but he is essentially just a dumbed down chopin. Scriabin, a contemporary of his was far greater.
Chopin: Invents the mirror reprise in the Ballades, arguably the most critically acclaimed variation on sonata form in history
Eddy: "I'm not that familiar with Chopin's form"
I agree. I think Chopin should've gotten that point, except they're violinists so they probably didn't know.
I mean, he didn't really invent it. Mozart's Piano Sonata no. 9 in D major first movement has a reversed recapitulation and was written way before Chopin's Ballades. And I'm sure it exists in Haydn too.
Chopin actually WORSHIPPED Bach.
Eyyy notif gang. Also, IM STILL IN LOVE WITH THE SET UP
Anyone else notice that Dvoark's 9th symphony started playing as background for the quarterfinals? Seems like a nod to Dvorak since he wasn't considered at all.
Should of been!
4th. And in the beginning (0:27) as well
yeh but dvorak fucking sucks at composing
and yet Paganini is in the bracket...
Beethoven definitely would have won for me, but this was a lot of fun to watch. As others have mentioned, you should repeat this but with specific subgenres (symphony, concertos, piano, violin, etc) or with musicians who play different instruments!
Beethoven is way in front of the rest, to my mind.
Same
@@peace-now Beethoven's better than Bach? Nah. But I respect your opinion.
Beethoven for me too
I'm recently listening to Vivaldi's 12 concertos and man I love ALL OF THEM!!! I know Vivaldi is famous but mostly because of his four seasons, and there are just many more of his work that the world should appreciate!!
I'm learning A minor :P its so fun
here early before your 5th comment under the video 😂
which sets of 12 concerti, estro armonico, or other opuses ?
He composed hundreds of concertos.
I have to admit, I started listening to classical music thanks to four seasons. But as I explored more, I found so many pieces worth listening too. Been listening to oboe and cello concertos
Bach can definitely be dramatic and very expressive. I’d reccomend listening to the St. Matthew Passion which is his greatest work. It is very introspective and heavy but easing at the same time. For a work a bit easier to get into I’d reccomend the St. John Passion which is a bit more dramatic than the St. Matthew. Also his Mass in B minor is great and he has about a 100 other great cantatas, organ works and concertos which are top level. If you’re interested, go to the Netherland’s Bach Societys channel. They have ad-less periodically accure presentations of many of Bach’s repetoire and a lot of informative videos about baroque music and intruments in general.
Bach also wrote beautiful concertos :)
Yes, just love St Matthews passion
I sang in St Matthew's Passion and loved it, however I listen to it and barely enjoy more than a few "songs" (if that's the right word)
Absolutely agree!! And his cantatas (there are soooo many of them) are like little mini-operas, too.
Erbarme Dich from the St Matthew passion is one of the most beautiful pieces ever written!
You should do this for specific pieces in different genres of music! Like the battle of the Sibelius violin concert vs Tchaikovsky violin concerto;) I had fun watching, thanks for posting!
Loved this video but Haydn over Brahms. Haydn was the mentor to Beethoven AND Mozart. He essentially created the standard for string quartets and was a master of form for future generations of composers.
A very tough decision between Bach and Beethoven but I would put Beethoven as the winner. To do what he did musically while deaf is beyond my imagination. A true genius and phenomenal composer.
I also would put Haydn over Brahms. Haydn invented the sonata form, symphony, and string quartet. I also personally prefer Haydn's sense of taste and beauty and the flow of his works over what I perceive to be the abrupt transitions of Brahms.
@@MayaRavichandran I don't think he invented the symphony and sonata form, but was probably the most influential in it's development.
I felt my heart crack when they said "Brahms, no question." Both are great, but Haydn was probably the most influential composer of the Classical period. But I respect 2set's opinion.
Also Chopin over Mozart
@@tgcccc the "no question" confused me. Like, I think there's an argument to be made for either of them to win this round, but saying "no question" feels weird to me (and honestly - no hate to TwoSet, but still - indicates to me that they haven't really delved into or much thought about Haydn's musical output and his role in literally the entire music development that came after him.
Bach wasn't popular in his lifetime, it was over 50 years after his death until most of his works were even published. It would be an interesting exercise to see what composers were actually more famous after they died compared to those popular during their lifetimes.
I heard Bach became more popular because of Mendelsohn
most of them were pretty famous in their lifetimes dont worry
bach wasn't as not known as he is made out to be
Popular to the masses is a bit different than popular to the elite class (especially within the church), which Bach certainly enjoyed during his lifetime.
@@mmisheel8693 Yes, in a way, Bach was all but forgotten, his style of music was passé and Mendelssohn, studying ‘old’ manuscripts found Bach’s St Matthew Passion and directed 3 performances of it in 1829. Thereafter he persuaded musical publishers he knew to publish the complete score. Bach’s music was thus revived and all his works, that could be found, were subsequently published.
Same goes to many old legends of art. Van Goch is a prime example.
I love how Brett and Eddy agreed on almost every point even though they were mostly subjective decisions:)
Maybe they're subject to each other
Brett choosing Shostakovich & Mozart, Eddy choosing Bach & finding ways to praise Paganini.....this video is the origin story of B2TSM.
Because of this video, I can imagine all of these composers just fighting with their pieces as powers
😂
Like how 2 versions of Dr strange fought with each other using music pieces?
@@sharkenwonderswhy yes.
Classicaloid
That's a very ClassicaLoid moment.
Bach composed so much, with so much complexity, he created so much from scratch and his music works in all instruments. He is the king.
as a harpsichord player, i'm really happy that you guys chose Bach. he is my favourite composer and i really enjoy playing his music. :)
Lol, shouldn't he be everyone's favorite composer?
@@ranonampangom2185 yup
@@ranonampangom2185 He is my favorite composer by far & the greatest Western composer imho. I'm a pianist but I still really like his usage of the tools of the Baroque period. Most may even say he was ahead of his time.
Although I can acknowledge that other people have different opinions, Bach will always be #1 in my heart.
@@ranonampangom2185 Yes he should.
@@ranonampangom2185 not for me. Bach, even Mozarrt and Beethoven, are fairly low down on my list of best composers. My own preferences llie with Bartók, Ginastera, Yoshimatsu, Hindemith, Stravinsky and Corigliano.
Nah we all know Brett is the best composer. I mean, look at all the shit he's made man. Fucking masterpieces.
yeah, all the shit for real!!!
Vote Brett for the best horror composer lmaooooo
oh yeah especially his lofi music😭🤌
When I told my mom to listen to Brett's Lo-fi, she said "It's very nice, doesn't sound like horror"
I still wonder why she said that.
Brett never forgets to say "Don't forget to practice".
And it is unusual to watch your video from the new studio.
He doesn't always say it! The 'playing the Strads' vid or the 'bows' vid or both, come to mind but there have been other occasions too!
Where is Dvorak??
Lol I won free tickets to see the Houston Symphony and I gave them as a gift to my parents for Mother’s Day, and when they came home from the concert, my mom told me, “You should get a degree in music, then try out for the Houston Symphony, or at least try out for the understudy.” 🤦🏽♀️ I’m never gonna give them free tickets again 😂
I LOVE THE HOUSTON SYMPH SO MUCH IVE BEEN THERE LIKE 10 MY WHOLE LIFE IM OBSESSED I LOVE THEM. NOW I CANT STOP SMILING 😄😄😄😄😄😄❤️❤️❤️
It’s actually very interesting that the top composers that came after Bach always paid tribute to him in their pieces. His genius in musical composition is truly unmatched.
The thing about Bach is that the harmony and poliphony are so modern in a way, that musicians of all styles can enjoy playing his music. His music can be played staccato, rubato, using pedals or none, if you just manage to hear clearly the harmonies and voicings, it's simply outstanding. Probably most other composers are more constricted to their time and style. So Bach has a HUGE advantage over all other musicians regardless of their style and taste. Just messing around with his pieces amd then messing around and improvising is just pure joy to me.
If you can battle slowly, you can battle quickly
As Russian, I feel really proud seeing two Russian composers in the semi-final. I mean, we all have already known who will be in the final so I feel like it's a big deal to see Shostakovich and Tchaikovsky go so far🥰
Im not russian but i just wanted to tell you that i looove russian composers and the overall russian sound.
@@Matt-sk1rc oh, thank you. I'm so happy to hear it from foreigners🖤
I do love me some Shostakovich... He really has so many wonderful things going on in all of his pieces.
Uraaaaaaaaa.........
For me Tchaikovsky is number two after Beethoven. I LOVE Tchaikovsky!
"Mozart is the incarnation of music."
Joseph Haydn
"If we cannot write with the beauty of Mozart, let us at least try to write with his purity."
"The fact that most people do not understand and respect the very best things, such as Mozart's concertos, is what permits men like us to become famous."
Johannes Brahms
"I have always reckoned myself among the greatest admirers of Mozart, and shall do so till the day of my death."
Ludwig van Beethoven
"Mozart is sweet sunshine."
Antonin Dvorak
"Oh Mozart, immortal Mozart, how many, how infinitely many inspiring suggestions of a finer, better life you have left in our souls!"
Franz Schubert
"Does it not seem as if Mozart's works become fresher and fresher the oftener we hear them?"
Robert Schumann
"Mozart is the highest, the culminating point that beauty has attained in the sphere of music."
"Mozart is the musical Christ."
Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
"Give Mozart a fairy tale and he creates without effort an immortal masterpiece."
Camille Saint-Saens
"Mozart's music is particularly difficult to perform. His admirable clarity exacts absolute cleanness: the slightest mistake in it stands out like black on white. It is music in which all the notes must be heard."
Gabriel Faure
"I believe in God, Mozart, and Beethoven."
"Certain things in Mozart will and can never be excelled."
"The most tremendous genius raised Mozart above all masters, in all centuries and in all the arts."
Richard Wagner
"The most perfect melodic shapes are found in Mozart; he has the lightness of touch which is the true objective ... Listen to the remarkable expansion of a Mozart melody, to Cherubino's 'Voi che sapete', for instance. You think it is coming to an end, but it goes farther, even farther."
Richard Strauss
"I owe very, very much to Mozart; and if one studies, for instance, the way in which I write for string quartet, then one cannot deny that I have learned this directly from Mozart. And I am proud of it!"
Arnold Schoenberg
"Play Mozart in memory of me."
"Mozart encompasses the entire domain of musical creation, but I've got only the keyboard in my poor head."
Frederic Chopin
"In Bach, Beethoven and Wagner we admire principally the depth and energy of the human mind; in Mozart, the divine instinct."
Edvard Grieg
"Beethoven I take twice a week, Haydn four times, and Mozart every day."
"Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart is the only musician who had as much knowledge as genius, and as much genius as knowledge."
Gioachino Rossini
"Mozart, prodigal heaven gave thee everything, grace and strength, abundance and moderation, perfect equilibrium."
Charles Gounod
(copied from a comment in Inside The Score's "Why is Mozart a Genius? Part 2")
Me: My dentist plays Mozart to keep his patients calm.
Bach is the only possible winner.
@@manuellayburr382 Read the comment until you absorb it :)
Maybe you should listen to some of Bach's music until you absorb it!
That's nice. Do those composers know how much inspiration he took from Bach?
Here's my quote:
"Bach is Bach."
Upload a Monday? What a wonderful way to start my week before uni
I say this as fondly as possible, but you're such violinists! Haydn, yes, "did write a bunch of symphonies" and "some nice quartets", but as a choir singer, I love him especially for his great choral works, his masses and oratorios. (Also, even apart from his quartets, his chamber music is lovely and he wrote a couple of great concertos for solo instruments that are not the violin) I'm not even dissing on Brahms, he actually also wrote great things for vocalists and his chamber music is beautiful (although for chamber music specifically, I prefer Haydn by a lot!), but there's more to music than iconic violin concertos and epic symphonies.
I'd genuinely love to know the music-related reasons behind why you immediately went "Brahms, definitely" instead of Haydn, or at least why it wasn't even a question - side note: your videos can never be too long, especially when you go into detail on your opinions about music, that's always so interesting and educational even if I don't always agree - because it was obvious even before this video that when it comes to which kind of music you personally prefer and enjoy playing or listening to, Haydn would always lose to Brahms, but in this video, you weren't really going for personal preference (I mean, you eliminated Debussy in the first round!)
Yes, I almost feel guilty for loving Haydn. And Handel didn't even qualify!
Yep, Haydn's symphonies are both historically important and musically pleasing. I think picking both Haydn or Brahms could be justified though.
@@cziffra-eg9st I agree, I don't think at all think it's "obviously Haydn", but at the same time, saying it's not even a question to choose Brahms over Haydn felt weird.
@@Casutama this was actually the most difficult choice I had to make in the whole video, so I'd agree with you. Even his quartets, which they dismissed, are important precursors to modern ones (and some of those quartets are great, e.g. the Fantaisia from the Op. 76 no. 6. I also happen to love Haydn's Sturm und Drang symphonies (La Passione and Trauer)). But then again, the last movement of Brahms' 4th symphonies is one of my absolute favorite symphonic movements, so it was hard to decide
Agreed, very weird to choose Brahms over Haydn. Haydn was foundational to the development of the classical era and everything that came after.
As a pianist, I love love love playing Chopin, but I would've chosen Mozart too
As soon as you see Bach on the list, the winner is obvious!
I feel like Haendel, Mendelssohn, or Palestrina could have made one of the brackets though.
Exactly, right? Why even bother fighting, Bach will win any day.
yeh, schubert and brahms could have been removed honestly, maybe add Hummel as he is comparable if not better than beethoven in the classical-romantic style
I think Wagner or Dvořák could've made the list, because, well, their music was literally heard in the video.
tchaikovsky
@@tgcccc wagner is a writer, dvorak is uneducated.
I think they should do a contest between composers of the same period or nationality (baroque, classical, romantic. french, etc...). Because all of the composers were so different, it wasn't really fair.
I love how they played dvorak new world in the background during 10:00 and 11:36 and 11:53 when dvorak wasn’t even part of the brackets
Well, i really disagreed that putting Shostakvich over Rachmaninoff though. Rachmaninoff's harmonies and probably the most impressive and sophisticated one in music history probably and his concertos and symphonies really proved that how good is his orchestration
I have a feeling you don't actually listen to Prokofiev. He's superior in almost every way compared to rach.
@@stravinskyfan of course I listen to Prokofiev but I still think Rachmaninoff’s Etude-tableaux is the greatest set of pieces in piano music history and his Op.42 and Op.43 are the greatest variations in music history.
and schostakovich uses a bunch of modernist harmony garbage that doesn't sound good nor work in any context at all, his form being really bad aswell.
They are judging the composers but hey "... don't judge us...".
I love it😁
the way we all watched a 13 minute video knowing the winner would be bach all along
It was really about the friends we made along the way
thank you guys !! you inspired me to play piano 4 years ago and i was practice 2 hours every day till now :D
2 hours???
@@John_Smith4 2 hours
You need to practice 20x more
Lingling is coming behind u with a stick
That's awesome, congrats!
As always, Twoset (and the comments!) leave me hungry for great performances of wonderful classical pieces. I spend the night chasing down great Mozart arias, Beethoven quartets, Mahler symphonies, Brahms Lieder. Always an inspiration.
*_Honorable Mention: Jordon He, the genius composer_*
I love how the comments break down into two camps. Either it's people talking about how unbiased they were, or it's us pianists grumbling about how neither Chopin, Liszt, or Rachmaninoff got in 🤣
To be fair, Rachmaninoff is really the only one who should have got a fair consideration. As much as I love the other two, Liszt and especially Chopin wrote basically exclusively for piano; I don't think it would be quite fair to seriously consider them.
@@Casutama liszt was prob the most influential composer of the period generally gosh, the only comparison would be wagner, and maybe brahms
rach isnt the same league as Shostakovich, it just isn't a competition how ahead shos is
@@EntelSidious_gamzeylmz well, influence is only one parameter when comparing the two, and the more innovative composer might not necessarily be better.
Also, Tchiakovsky has been pretty much neglected by musicology until rather recently. And some of the most fervent critics (historically) of Tchaikovsky is Eduard Hanslick, who incidentally was a great fan of Brahms.
@@cziffra-eg9st I gave those parameters cuz thats what the video was talking about mostly and I dont want to go on and on about different aspects
and I would argue Brahms is still better in terms of harmony, orchestration, counterpoint etc.
@@EntelSidious_gamzeylmz I think I would agree with you on those aspects. But why limit outselves to those aspects alone?
Without taking away credit from more recent composers or musicians, they have the advantage of having a certain musical heritage from past centuries musicians, which makes older musicians/composers even greater.
As HARD as this list is to pick, I think personally Bach, Mozart and Vivaldi just hit different for me. Every time I listen to them it just feels like God or a a gift. Like I said all of the composers listed are just pure amazing.
Also as aspiring screenwriter, those three composers help me a lot when writing because I can write scenes and see pictures when I listen to their music.
Twoset I love your videos!!! Thank you!!!
Personally since Paganini's virtuosity was pointed out, I think all the big 3 pianists (Rach, Liszt, and Chopin) should've gotten that accounted for as well considering the difficulty of their pieces
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I like how we all knew Bach was running away with it from the beginning but they still bothered to do the whole tournament
Well no, I think / thought Mozart would run away with it.
This is a cool format. You could do this with different categories Like violinists or pieces by specific composers
As a pianist and Twosetter (who admits her biases lol), this hurt my soul a bit. I played both classical piano and violin growing up (but was much worse on violin lol), and I HAVE to 1000000% choose Liszt over Tchaikovsky. Same with Chopin over Mozart for me; also, clearly also Rach over Shosty… honestly, Rach over everyone, imho.
However, this is where I note that I recognize I’m def a better pianist (am a pro studio/touring keys player now and write classical crossover compositions) and was a subpar high school violinist at best / don’t even play violin anymore, so my choices are partially reflective of my instrument bias. I’m also a sucker for Romantic-era melodies, harmonies, and chord progressions, they’re just SO moving and beautiful to me and I have a ton of nostalgia tied to many Romantic-era compositions.
That said, I do agree with their assessment of choosing polyphony-king Bach over Debussy (despite my romantic-era composer love); I’m also a sucker for the Bach Double…
BUT Bach v Beethoven?! Easily Beethoven for me. Bro went DEAF and continued composing epic symphonies. (Also biased here bc I took a Beethoven class towards my music minor back in college and it was my fav class ever; learning how petty Beethoven could be -eg. Fur Elise - gave him points for me too, LOL).
Interesting concept of comparing such varied composers though …and nice background :)
"Rach over everyone, imho." You've just admitted that you have giant hands. 😁
@@stephanietakai9470 Haha, I WISH. My hands are pretty smol 🥺 (at least compared to my pianist friends’ hands!) and remember my piano teacher saying (when I was a teenager), “It’s too bad your hands aren’t bigger.” LOL. Basically, I can reach an octave no problem, but even 9ths are problematic for me.
I love how Rach sounds, the melodies, harmony and stunning chord progressions and modulations, but …can I play Rach as written? Absolutely not🥺. Can I even play Rach 2? (haven’t tried tbh… but most likely not 😭 but it’s one of my fav pieces to listen to ever, especially Yuja’s Berlin performance of it)
It was a surprise for me they chose Tchaikovsky over Liszt. Unheard of.
@@felipem.8234 Cause Tchaikovsky is way better, musically. It may do you some good to open your ears a bit, given as it's music being discussed here.
brett is decomposing while talking about these composers
I just discovered this channel yesterday and Ive been binge watching for 24 hours. These two guys are natural presenters. Im not a musician but I thoroughly enjoy this content. The channel is creative and informative and the hosts are quite funny, very personable and entertaining to watch.
I understand they're pretty good violinists, too.
In a way, I envy you...you have a wealth of TwoSet videos to watch for the very first time! Welcome to this wonderful community.
I'm glad they told that story about Bach composing (improvising) a three-part chromatic fugue. I've heard that from several sources, but it's all from other people than Bach. He awed his contemporaries.
There's more to Saint-Saëns than just Carnival of the animals. Check out his symphonies, piano concertos, organ works and many more pieces u haven't even bothered to discover.
"Chopin can't walk straight" - Brett and Eddy's captions XD 4:36
Edit: There's more golden captions!! XD
"I think they're thai" - 4:29
"for strawberry chocolate" - 4:34
"jessica" (try to even guess who that is?!) - 6:56
"the boosie" - 12:45
"I would enjoy bug" - 13:03 onwards
"I actually enjoy practising boxing"
"artists and adidas" - 13:08
And not just jessica instead of Shostakovic, but "Jessica was really shy" I CAN'T!
Also, more fun from the automatic captioning:
00:01: another episode of tool set violin
00:40: J.S. Bart
01:34: see I prefer the boozy (oookay)
01:40: I think backwards
02:23: Barack was the one mastered (wtf?!)
03:15: the master of opera of gang
04:31: most of the grammar of these shorthand also the cream
04:43: I know Mozart's form is pretty like mustache
05:07: Devil's volleyball
06:06: but there is one thing with Chelsea (oh, okay, spill!)
06:11: but this one without even belly wins
06:27: just the clovis
06:49: yeah, I think shots are gone
07:53: the genius death composer (OMG!) who began the curse of the knight (that would make for an awesome book!)
08:30: but I think my little bit didn't miss (Eddy, what are you trying to say?!)
08:45: he was that bruised
09:14: very liberal and nice (I see we're getting political here, first Barack then this...)
09:28: yeah cortez harden
09:33: but bronze for brahms
10:07: I'll say bye (okay, bye, Brett!)
10:09: very, very smitten (we get it, Brett, you've got a crush)
10:52: I think I'm going to chuckle
11:12: yeah, chuck had that ballet factor (new character unlocked: Chuck!)
12:07: I pick for coffee
12:13: bath for me, I like bark
13:10: it's like you're in a church and you use a wall (I think that's Eddy's job, Brett)
In general, the composer names are really challenging the speech recognition software.
*Debussy:* "the boosie, "the boozy", "duplicity", "people see"
*Bach:* "bar", "far", "Bart", "backwards", "Barack", "Bye", "bath", "bark", "bug", "boxing"
*Chopin:* "show partner", "shorthand", "chocolate", "shopping", "shopkins"
*Vivaldi:* "fidelity", "values", "the valley", "even belly"
*Shostakovich:* "just the clovis", "just a coach", "shots are gone", "jessica"
*Mahler:* "Mahala", "Milo", "my", "Marla"
It also struggles with "violin concertos": "violincon shows", "violicon shadows"
I’m biased because I was a ballet dancer. I just love the composers of the original classical ballets. (Mainly because it brings back fond memories I guess.)
A general trend on this channel (which I love) is something of an unquestioned respect for and belief in traditions. This is evidenced from a dislike of the "useless" classes in music uni, which are about exploring and questioning the underlying assumptions in the western music tradition, a general distaste for pop music (even as you seem to know very little about it), and the way in which you tend to defer to the 'canon' as what is 'good' in music. There are great reasons for this, the classical music you guys represent and love is among the best humanity has produced. That's why this isn't ever really a problem on this channel, but it is interesting to note, especially when excited young musicians adopt some of those viewpoints (and potentially close themselves off to understanding, knowing about, and respecting music outside the western musical canon, or learning to judge music by standards other than those used by the western musical canon). The way you talk about Bach, even as you both instinctually prefer Debussy, helps to underscore how this thinking pervades a lot of how you process music and its worth.
Again, I love this channel and I'm sorry if this read too much as 'ThIs Is PrObLeMaTiC" - it's a pretty light-hearted and unserious critique in the end. Just thought it was interesting and wanted to point it out!
I agree with most of your decisions! In music class last year we had to do this, & I struggle picking a favorite between Mozart & Bach. I also chose Bach.
Where’s Dvorak, Mendelsohn??!
i NEEDED a twoset video after learning that my future is fucked.💗💗💗
this lol
I hope you will be ok. Best wishes.
All the best!
3:38 Eddy's laugh sounds like he's attempting to sing Queen of the night aria
Now that I listen to it again 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It’s the Wolfie laugh (from Amadeus)!!
they way the background music was dvorak 9th symphony the new world (one of my personal favorites) when dvorak wasn't on the list
I just love how their opinions on the first 3/4 of the video is very distinctive and specific while the quarter to the end is just like "this video is going way too long, gotta make it fast" kind of answers. I love it!
10:55 Is that Brett being cheeky? He's secretly very funny when sarcastic
yes we all knew that it was gonna come down to Bach and Beethoven theyre the legends after all
Sweet. Keep it up guys. Love from Trinidad! Fun as always. Loving the new background.
How are you gonna use Dvorak’s music the entire video through and not even let him in the game
For those who are new to this channel should check out their Bach vs Beethoven disstrack haha that literally explains everything
00:28 the gall to Dvorak's 9th symphony playing as background music but didn't put him in the line-up 👀
I can’t believe there’s people who say classical music is boring, when there are so many huge hits that classical composers have written.
Rockin' the new setup I see! Looks sick!
Also first #2
I love Vivaldi and he actually is so under appreciated but I do believe Bach deserves his place at the top cos man is Bach EPIC
vivaldi was the main influence of Bach's concerto style, yes he is underappreciated
I agree, I love Vivaldi too, although his music is simple in terms of complexity but it has a beautiful charm that can easly reach your heart.
Most people know him through the 4 seasons but Vivaldi has some hidden gems that are more beautiful imo. Rv 143 is one example (fugue with a wonderful theme)
Wish this video had a few more composers, for example one of my favorite composers Dvorak, or maybe someone like Prokofiev. Great video though, wish there was a part 2 or something haha
I probably wouldve chosen beethoven at the end there personally.. great video guys! Make this into a poll or sth so we can all do this as well lol
What is it with string players and Shostakovich?! Team Rachmaninov and Vivaldi instead of Shosta! My preferences are from the perspective of an opera/baroque singer so I guess I appreciate different things.
If I had to choose between my favorite composers.... It would boil down to Chopin, Beethoven, and Debussy, but I'd probably choose Chopin. Nothing matches playing his pieces. It's the beauty of the music and the color of it (my synesthesia approves), and even how it sits in the hands, it even FEELS beautiful to play.
I totally agree Chanah!!
@@juliankrause7565 You and me, same page!
For me, it's Chopin, Beethoven, and Tchaikovsky. And Debussy.
Yessss
what colour do you see the first ballade as?
Seems like being enjoyable is a death sentence in this battle.
I have always been a fan of 20th century music and I always hated Baroque. But after this video I realised that without Bach's basic rules there wouldn't be composers who broke them. Thankyou Twoset for making me realise how important Baroque is!!!
Ah yes. Music from the 20th century. The greatest century of them all
I encourage you to try additional Baroque music. It is so beautiful to the ears, compared to a lot of the more modern stuff which may be interesting, but isn't as pleasant to listen to.
Vivaldi, and not just for the Four Seasons. He wrote many incredible masterpieces.
I fully agree, my personal favorite being Viola D'amore Concerto in D Major RV 392:III but he has so many other beauties in his repertoire.
Now I'm definitely pulling out the Brandenburg Concertos for practice later. ❤
Bach is hands down my favorite composer of all time, but that doesn't mean that everyone else can't come in second place! Brett and Eddy are spot on when they say we need all of the colors of the different composers.
Except Beethoven. 😅🤣 I feel like listening to Beethoven is like reading endless run-on sentences. He's got more excruciating detail than Tolkien, and writes it twice as long. We get the picture already, dude!
::Prepares for the angry Beethoven fans:: 😅
You didn't reckon on angry Tolkien fans did you :(
Bach is indeed the OG though, so I can't be too mad
@@des4993 😅 I forgot about y'all, I'm sorry! But I literally had to skip large chunks of the Council of Elrond in order to finish the Fellowship of the Ring. 😅 And I'm an avid reader! I will say the last two in that trilogy went a lot better, though. ❤
Try Jules Verne... I started The Mysterious Island and had to give up. I loooove reading, but there's so much description of the landscapes that I almost forgot what just happened in the story....
Beethoven is overrated. People admire him for his influence and his potential than for his actual writing. He accomplished a lot and deserves his stop as a top 5 composer, but there‘s sooooooo much space between him and Bach. Bach is unquestionably the number one
@@magdolyn lol I don't know why but I love the council of Elrond - some of the most quotable quotes of the trilogy are from there
I'd be really interested in what you think of the silmarillion lol
Interestingly, of the 8 initial matchups, there are 6 where one composer wrote at least one violin concerto and the other composed none (the two exceptions being Vivaldi-Paganini and Haydn-Brahms). For 5 out of the 6, they went with the composer that composed at least one violin concerto. The other of the 6 is Saint-Saëns vs Schubert, where the chose Schubert, but that one isn't really a contest - Schubert is unquestionably the greater composer. I know it's just for fun, but there probably was at least some subconscious bias here.
There was definitely some subconscious bias on all levels. I think it's been pretty clear from all of their videos that they're mostly into Romantic period music, with Bach and Mozart being the exceptions and Beethoven teetering somewhere on the edge, and even within that period they have very specific taste. They are mostly unfamiliar with Baroque music and even more unfamiliar with Renaissance music, and I do not think they particularly enjoy the style of the Classical era for the most part - that's why they went "it's not even a question" between Haydn and Brahms (which definitely shows subconcious bias because I think this is actually one of the most difficult match-ups in this tier-list, not subjectively but objectively. An argument could certainly be made for going either way, but by no means is it "clearly Brahms").
And (maybe understandably due to their careers, but still) they are very unfamiliar with repertoire that's not either big symphonic repertoire or or violin solo repertoire (both of which tend to favour the Romantic Era - it's a bit of a chicken-egg situation I think). And chamber music repertoire, but there's so much of that that it's very easy to choose according to their stylistic preference. I'm almost certain that if they were not violinists but vocalists or pianists or brass players, this would look very different. (And I don't mean that maliciously, I don't think they were trying to be biased here, but they are very unfamiliar with some composers, and for others, they only know a limited part of their compositions. I'm not judging them for that; you can't know everything, classical music is far too vast for that, but it's just very obivous in videos like this one)
In the end it didn't matter because Bach won and of course would always win no matter how many violin concertos each composer wrote.
I usually play the harmonica and guitar.
After watching 2set for so long. I finally brought my first violin.
It's just a cheap violin, about USD 80.
The strings are quite old right out of the box. When tuning it, as expected I broke the first string.
So I brought a new set of strings. Feeling quite proud to be able to string it up nicely. I must say it's a lot harder to string comparing to a guitar.
Brett and Eddy, I just want you both to know that I just got a violin and am taking lessons for the first time. I named her (the violin) Ling-Ling in your honor
Enjoy. The road is long and super challenging but immensely rewarding. I'm 7 months ahead of you!
12:20 Ohhhhh if you want to hear dramatic music written by Bach you should probably start listening to choir music…
Examples: Opening Chorus and all the other extremely dramatic written Choir passages (Kreuzige, Wäre dieser nicht ein Übeltäter, etc.)of the St. John Passion, Basically the hole Mass in b-minor (especially the Sanctus❤), Opening Chorus and Sind Blitze sind Donner from St. Matthew Passion (as Violinists you know the Erbarme dich Aria for sure) , the 6 also beautifully written Motets for A-Capella Choir and the list goes on
But other than that great video, thumbs up!
BACH 🎵
Fun fact: 100% of people who are reading the comment section are not practicing. Go Bach to practice!
Yooo i remember listening to your velocite, it was really nice
@@giocosovelasco Thanks 🙏 I'm glad to know you like my composition. Feel free to check the other pieces on my channel.
I am practicing, my instrument is the computer mouse
They should do one with female composers...
I agree! Would love to see that
Fanny vs. Clara
@@LesserMoffHootkins yes! That would be 🔥
@@dandelion_official4812
Hildegard was also very good, but maybe not quite part of the canon. Classical for her time, I suppose.
i play violin and cello and vivaldi's four seasons is my go to on both to put the pickup back in my soul.
"Bach is not very dramatic"
Johannespassion enters in the chat.
These guys are fabulous
Bach not dramatic?!? I'm speechless... Bach's music embodies the drama of this world and others!!!
Great video. You should do another one with the composers you missed (e.g. Ravel, Prokofiev, Schumann etc).