MUSIO by Cinesamples: Overview and Impressions!
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- Опубликовано: 30 апр 2023
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Totally worth it! That lifetime access for all that it comes with and whatever comes out in the future…just incredible! 🎉
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I... Holy cow, I was going to make an admittedly cynical quip of them not even offering a rent-to-own option, but lifetime access to 'all' of their libraries for the cost of a couple? That's actually insane, props to them!
Haha totally!
I see that the $500 sale for lifetime access is back until May 24th. I'm assuming it will pop up again at least a few times per year. Like other commenters on this video, I would like Cinesamples to provide full information on exactly what are the limitations of Museo compared to their full libraries. I was considering a lifetime license last month when it was on sale, but decided against because I already have libraries that are functionally equivalent to most of what Musio has. Also, I read that important functionality what's missing from some of the libraries, such as the phrase builder in Voxos, glissandos in Cineharps, or anyting else that requires programming such as is available in Kontakt.
Still, if Musio had been available a few years ago as it is now, I would have picked it up. I am a hobbyist. I absolutely don't need any of these libraries. Like many other people, I wanted to get into orchestral programming, but now I realize that it is a lot of work and skill to set up something that sounds like a real symphony orchestra is playing. I think that if somebody aspires to this, Musio will not suffice, as it currently lacks the fine controls. I'm sure it will improve, but I'm thinking that a professional composer, who needs to produce truly convincing orchestral mock-ups for movie directors and other paying clients, will need to buy the best libraries. For myself, my ambitions have decreased, and I will be happy to just be able to add some nice orchestral elements to some of my more modest compositions. For that, I think Musio would have sufficed even as it is now. I'm still considering getting the lifetime deal, as some of the instruments seem outstanding, such a the Tina Guo Cello.
Thanks for sharing Peter! I think for the hobbyist composer who doesn't have too many libs to start with, Musio is a great option, as it allows you to get up and running relatively quickly. For the pro, if they already have many Cinesamples libs, then Musio may not be worth it, especially if they already are happy with their setup/template. That being said, it'll be fun to see the upcoming updates for Musio and how it'll get closer to Kontakt and other players!
Just bought the Musio lifetime license, and it's very promising! I was skeptical about people calling it "lite" versions, but there is no difference in legato, round-robin count, or sound quality (with the exception of some libraries that they said were a WIP or voxos scripting). The key thing that makes it much more limited for me is the lack of mics and key switching, but that changes with the new update they announced! I am not a fan of subscriptions, so I can confidently put 500 down for this many products. It's an amazing deal! And that's not even mentioning the potential for improvement here and in future products!!!
Absolutely! Those updates should be coming within a few months!
Great information. Thanks for your nice channel.
My pleasure!
looks like i'm going to say GOODBYE to my old Library . Thanks buddy . this is realistically innovative
Most welcome!
You doiong amaizing job, congra for your work!
Thanks so much!
Thanks for the review. I'm giving this a go and loving it so far. Do you know if there's a way to browse through and load only the instruments you have already downloaded rather than having to search the whole library each time you want to load?
Love Musio. Personlly i think East West composer cloud is more bang for your buck but Musio is starting to catch up!
Awesome!
hi Chris,i bought musio when the lifetime deal came up,its a no-brainer,as they will keep evolving the player and creating new content for life,you forgot to mention that you can pre-listen each instrument without downloading,and like i suspected,you can make the slider move very slowly when you hold down shift-click-drag,however,the arrow dissapears,cheers Chris
Yes great point! Thanks Ronny - the preview function is so convenient.
@@ChristopherSiu already looking out for the next itteration,cheers Chris
Glad you covered Musio, thanks for the video. I jumped on the lifetime license while it was on sale and I’m really glad I did.
Awesome, so glad!
I notice when you hovered the cursor there's a play button on the articulation. Is that a preview of the sound? That's always a good thing too.
Yes, absolutely! Apologies if I forgot to mention that.
I suggest custom a package based on the selected downloaded instruments that would come with a custom price because really, there's only a few instruments and sounds that producers will download (the best ones) Also, having more options adds to the production time as we sort through that massive library.
Musio is great. Even better at the limited $500 deal they had for a while. :)
Absolutely!
Hi to copy or how to record musio cinesamples in to logic am not able to do in to the logic pro we should external instrument to record copy in to logic pro
After creating a song using miso in logic. How do you even export the song? I bounce all the tracks and comes out blank?
I've had Musio for about a year now. Assuming you don't already have all the Cinesamples libraries you want or need, it's totally worth it. It's been a constant progression of updates with the plug in. I'm always hesitant to invest in products that have something "coming soon". However they have done everything they said they would in the timeframe they had promised so far. So I think they are fully invested in this product and I expect it to only get better and better. The planned update of Key Articulation Switching is really one of the few things that had been missing. The Mic mixing will be nice as well. But honestly I haven't really missed it at all and in some ways it's been refreshing to not be distracted with tweaking all kinds of mic signals.
Great to hear!
Do you recall how much space all the libraries take up and if its easy to store on an external ssd?
@@chandeleerjet5637 It depends on how many samples you download onto your machine. You'll only download the samples that you choose to load into a project and you can audition sounds within Musio. So I'm sure if you download every patch that will consume a pretty large amount of space. So far my musio folder is just under 40GB. But I'm sure that will grow as the catalog grows. Also right now there is only one mic position per patch in Musio. But they have said multi-mic positions are coming. How they will handle that from a download perspective is hard to say. Will you have to download all the mic positions for each patch. That will mean each patch will grow in size and download time, but if you had to download each mic mix separately, that would be a royal pain in the ass. It is worth noting, and I haven't really seen this pointed out too much, that when you use Musio your computer must be online to download new patches which you haven't downloaded yet. And of course how fast any new patches you want to use download is completely dependent upon your internet connection speed. I have 1gb/s at home so that's reasonably quick downloads for these patches, but when I'm not at home, it can be a time suck.
@@rbingraham thank you for the info. I wasnt sure if you download the entire catalogue or if its per library like Arcade or something. This helps.
@@chandeleerjet5637 You're welcome. Yeah you don't have to download the entire package. It's not even per library. It's literally per patch. If all you use is the Legato from some library, that's all you download.
I signed up for the trial last night. I'm making a 'live at the Albert Hall' style orchestral track for a vocalist, so naturally started with BBCSO (which I love when it's right for the job, no hate...), but it seemed a bit 'meh' as far as cutting through. Backed and forthed between jumping on Eastwest or Musio... decided on Musio.
I only opened it first time at 10am today... it's 7pm and the track sounds IMMENSE! Cinestrings, Brass, and Perc all over it! With a nice bass guitar and drumkit alternative swapped in too.
Yeah, I was initially disappointed that you didn't get the GUI of the library within the Musio window, along with all the editable perimeters and mic positions.
But, A) it STILL sounds incredible even with just Mod, Exp, and Reverb settings, and B) I was told yesterday that by August all addition mic positions / etc should be featured within Musio.
I worked out that it would take something like 58 years for $10 a month to NOT be better value than buying everything, especially with them planning to upload everything they have by some point
Totally agree with them needing more editable features / mic positions etc asap. But as an initial layout, type-search, load, and play... it is VERY promising (and obviously sounds awesome!)
More choir patches as soon as would be great, also!
P.s Your videos have become a regular source of knowledge and enjoyment. Plus - after mind-melting music days - very warm and relaxing. Thanks so much!
That’s amazing, thanks for sharing Tom!
I would like to know if Musio collects royalties, in the event that music is commercialized with its samples.
Big time FYI.
Bought a year license last September. I did the 14 day free trial to check things out. Seemed legit. Until it wasn't.
The verbiage and website design at the time gave users the impression you're buying access to actual Cinesamples libraries. Nope. It's not even a "lite" version of the library. Missing articulations, no mics, no scripting, etc.
So if your 14 day free trial is up and it says musio now has "VOXOS" don't believe it. It's not actually the killer, flexible, scripted choir library. It's just a sample pack of a handful of articulations in a VERY limited player. But they'll absolutely market it as "voxos."
I found this out 10 minutes after buying. They may be using the logos and graphics of popular libraries, but it's not.
You'll be disappointed if you expect MUSIO to actually have what they're advertising. It's NOT a Cinesamples version of East West's Composer Cloud. Far from it.
They do not offer refunds.
Buyer beware.
Thanks for sharing your experiences! Yes as you mention, many of the features you have in Kontakt aren't in Musio yet. As far as I'm aware, they're actively working on putting these into Musio as soon as possible, along with other libraries they're working on.
@@ChristopherSiu It's absolutely killer as a supplemental alternative, but the lack of disclosure and pertinent FAQs on their site gives a false impression. I see all the "new libraries" they've added from the Cinesamples catalog and they're STILL marketing them as complete. It would be better if they let potential users know before diving in the differences between the full Kontakt libs vs MUSIO. A simple vs chart or something. But no, they're just slapping the graphic and title of big name libraries in their catalog and letting it ride. Some, like me, would see that as dishonest, and mildly deceptive.
@@BpackAudio Totally fair! Really appreciate you sharing.
@@BpackAudioI think Cinesamples’ long term intentions are good, but like all the other companies who’ve decided to roll their own bespoke sample players, Kontakt is not easily replaced. They’ve all had to go through years of growing pains and players like SINE and Spitfire still have lingering issues to this day. I do understand why they want to move away from dependence on Native Instruments, but from a deeply invested user perspective it hasn’t been a smooth transition.
I still need to watch the video, but if NotePerformer 4 can eventually be updated to support the Musio versions of Cinesamples products, for me that could be all I ever need. I'm on the fence about Musio, I own about half of their Cinesamples orchestral Kontakt libraries, but the current sale price for the lifetime license is very, very tempting. Decisions!
Awesome! Yeah that would be great.
I might have been tempted for $500 for the lifetime offer. The Musio 1 for $299 sounds interesting but I mainly want Voxos and if the builder is not included why can't I find that out on their site somewhere? It seems like a better disclosure of what Musio 1 entails, vs Musio 2, is needed because more than likely some of the serious limitations in scripting will not be addressed until Musio 2 and my purchase will be a disappointment in that case (particularly if Voxos is not fully functioning.)
To those interested: I just saw an email that Musios sale is back: lifetime license for $500 and new lower subscription prices ($9.99/mo or $99/yr)
Yes, just released an updated video with the price drops!
Isn't having to download constantly very distracting to the creative process? What do u think?
Just download everything you would normally use and create a template. And create your template for flexibility in adding instruments. So far it seems easy to manage your downloads as well.
From somewhere I got the idea that Musio did not include all of the microphone positions that the existing products contain. Am I wrong about that? (For me, the lifetime subscription was worth it regardless, but this might matter to some people.)
Hey Brent, you're right - for the time being at least, until they include microphone mixing/matching options. Hopefully within the next couple months!
Please siu. What THE BEST WOODWINDS library? Ot Berlín WOODWINDS legacy of kontakt or Berlín woodw revive in sine?
I'm sure the one in SINE is great, but I've stuck with Kontakt over the years.
Do you think it would work with a notational software like Finale?
It could in the future! I don’t think there are those capabilities just yet, but don’t quote me!
Gotta say as well, the difference on my CPU for just loading what I need is HUGE!
Even when I delete out all other articulations in BBCSO, it's still a guzzler.
This project is running separate Musio instances on leg, stacc, trem on V1, V2, Viola, Celli, Bass, as well as two horn patches, three separate trumpet tracks, flute legato, flute trill, oboe, clarinet, English horn, Bassoon, Cinepiano, bass, acoustic guitar, drums, timp, orch percussion, crotales, glock, harp... and it's barely hitting half the CPU it was before...!
For THAT alone, it is worth it!
So cool!
@@ChristopherSiuhe doesnt realise that it is the One Mic setup that loads so fast.This is why original cinesamples in kontakt take more time.Because Musio offers Only one mic position and cut of many other features of the original libraries
It is now US$399 outright perpetual, US$99 per annum, US$9.99 per month. It says over 1800 instruments but im pretty sure they mean 1800 articulations because each is available as a separate instrument. No mic positions, just the stereo mixdown.
They even have an EDU discount. That's 49$ per year. Absolutely mind blowing considering you have access to complete orchestras, soloists, even different libraries for the same sections, and by the time you are paying the full price of a single library (say like 450$ of BBCSO Core) nine years will have passed.
Does Cinesamples not like to pay their bills? I don't get how this can be possible 😭 where's the catch
@@daveisaframe They're now charging for future updates. That's why the initial prices are discounted. One initial purchase for Musio 1, then future purchases per annum for Musio 2, 3, and so on.
always better to own over monthly fees and i would pay more to own! but $999 US still kind of high... still this is a great concept and the trial allows me to at least hear all their instruments i was curious about.
Musio 1: $199 for entire 2023 catalog this weekend, feb 24-25.. permanent license.
Where is the set up menu for Midi input device?
That connected automatically for me. But most likely in the settings!
They've changed the pricing since this video. They've rebranded to Musio 1, reduced the price is $400 (currently $300 for 24 more hours) and are charging for annual upgrades presumably under Musio 2, 3... I'm not sure of the pricing for those upgrades. Just a PSA for new people coming to this video in 2024 and beyond.
Appreciate the update!
EastWest should really offer a lifetime license as well. Seems like the move for these a bit older developers.
I don’t see myself purchasing this since there’s only a handful of libraries from Cinesamples that speaks to me, and I already got them.
In today’s market, the only reason to buy this is basically if you don’t already have CineBrass and want to make a good bang-for-buck in the process (but then again, that’s just me).
I would add, Cineperc, one of the most diverse natural percussion libraries on the market, I recently needed woodblocks and cineperc was the only library I could find with them.
one thing you said "not available in Kontakt" is what's holding me back. I own a ton of libraries and I can access them all with Kontakt. By adding Musio my instruments would be divided between 2 players. I guess it wouldn't be a problem if you use a DAW template and stick to that, but looking for the right instrument will become more difficult if your instruments are scattered between 2 players instead of well organized. I really don't NEED Musio, I own Komplete 14 Collector's Edition, several big Spitfire Audio libraries, lots of piano vst plugins and smaller libraries. But that price ($499 at this moment) is so tempting for an ever growing library.
Do you not own anything from spitfire or orchestral tools that doesn’t use kontakt? You’re free to do what you want but it not using kontakt is a wildly stupid reason.
WAIT IS THIS LEGIT!? that smells fishy.. why would they offer EVERYTHING they have for that low of a price when just one of the Cinesamples libs is more expensive than that?? Seems too good to be true? Are they Lite versions or with some limitations compared to for an example CineBrass Core/Pro but using it not from Musio?
Would have been fair to mention, that the lifetime license was on sale for 499,- - so people may wait till it's on sale again. For whatever reason you didn't mention it....
Thanks for sharing! As that period already passed, I didn't see the need of pointing that out. But yes it definitely happened, and who knows, it may happen again! We'll see. :)
Their website says that deal is good through 5/24 - is that different from what you’re talking about?
I think the $500 deal expired in April but is back again until May 24. I wouldn't be surprised if it popped up occasionally in the future.
They've dropped their prices significantly. 199$ for perpetual licence. Kinda worries me, as I just bought it.
That's because they're now charging for future updates. Also, dang, I did not see it as 200$ then. Wish I had since it's $300 now. It's worth it for CinePerc alone.
I would have bought the lifetime license if I hadn't bought nearly all Cinesamples Kontakt libraries ... oh oh
Ah yeah!
i also have a lot of CS kontakt libraries,however,i bought musio for the future libraries,the price for these libraries in kontakt will be higher,i know that with kontakt you can change things when you open the wrench,and make a script to have an arpegiator on an existing CS instrument,but the simplicity in musio makes life much easier
I should've bought the lifetime license while it was on sale...
Better late than never! :)
I did 👌 sent a few suggestions for things I wanted implemented, and they are very responsive as of now.
The sale is back again until May 24th
Lifetime and one day everything changes like waves 😂
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Well Waves always did the bs update fee, they were always trying to figure a way to squeeze more money out of the customer.
So it';s like SINE