Great Katana has an interesting interaction with impaling thrust. When you 2H, the ash fills the 1st attack slot in the chain, allowing you to do the follow up jab
Yeah its really good to pair with the spear talisman cause of that. Great katana with impaling thrust has become my fav weapon in the game. Piercing fang is good too for pvp
You can also do this with R2 on rakshasa. You can do R2+R1 and get some nuts piercing damage. Kinda replaces zweihander's niche for me. Just overall way better
The dragon hunter one is fun because its a quality weapon and quality means you could use heafty rock pots + fan daggers. Fan daggers keep bosses from regenerating their posture during their endless combos and free aimed rock pots are great for PvP, it's basically a mortar strike, real fun.
Fan daggers would keep their posture low regardless of how much damage they're dealing, to be fair, but it's nice to optimize consumables on a quality setup!
@@THE_MOONMAN The difference is the damage going from something the enemy can ignore to something they'll be forced to respect when used on a proper build. They go from a tool, nothing more than a utility, to a decent ranged damage option.
@Velumbra fan daggers never do good damage, they're for popping bubbles and for keeping poise from reseting, or stunning people in light armour. Their damage is totally irrelevant. And hefty rock pots scale with strength mainly. They're best on a str build. They literally have a D scaling in dex lol.
Yep, I re-rolled my character as a dragon hunter for the entire zone and it was quite a lot of fun. Though next time I fight Bayle I probably won't use the Dragonhunter, however I will always use it for the path up to him 'cause screw slogging through 4 whole ass dragon fights. Also it's better than the Serpent Hunter in the weapon art aspect 'cause it's still very useful even against non-dragons. Then again, that weapon has the aspect of not having any stat requirements which is super-useful for obvious reasons.
And for any other dragon in the game, this thing's damage on dragons is is downright ridiculous. Hell, I think it's even easier to kill Ghostflame Dragons with it than with a holy build. No complaints about it of course, you get it really late into the game after all, and using it to demolish stuff is wa too much fun. Specialized weapons have always been a cool idea, and while they have done it before with serrated weapons in Bloodborne or the Black Knight ones in souls, I think this one is the best by FAR.
I can't wait for some aspect of this video to be made obsolete next patch cycle. Jokes aside, fantastic showcase! Despite the many drawbacks of the one handed moveset over the two handed, I love pairing it with magic on a spellblade caster setup.
Rakshasas katana is mainly for pvp, the hyper armour is stupid busted. Weed cutter gives a bunch of extra poise, plus reducing the poise damage of invoming attacks by a 3rd. The extra damage means nothing when you win every trade. And it does so much damage that you still do more damage in a trade almost always. Its okay for pve as well, but than you need a lot of resistance to survive the incoming damage
I'd recommend trading with a spear that gave war cry on with the roar medallion, highland axe, and the spear talisman to get a meaty trade in your favor
Cold great katana with overhead stance is what took me through the final boss. Not surprised that it might not be that amazing of a skill but man does the triple ichimonji feel good
The great katana became my new favorite weapon, for both pve and PvP. Just so fun to use, with overhead stance, or flame skewer. And has good roll catching capabilities.
I really is impressive how they made all three of them viable in their own ways. If this is going to be the standard from now on, I'm even more excited for their future games.
I love storm blade on GK, it's an FP efficient massive damage (when specced) bullet which also swings the katana faster than anything else, more or less. Try it out folks!
Definitely subscribed, this is great content! Could you possibly do a Poleblade of The Bud build? I know it's kinda a bad weapon, which is sort of why I want a build lol. Thank you!
I feel like some of the most "basic" and least flashy AoWs are the ones I end up using the most. Impaling Thrust, Storm Blade, Lion's Claw. Honestly, Lion's Claw has carried me through the game, an unbeatable hyper armor is just so good. I tried warming up to Savage Lion's Claw but it seems against most enemies its just worse than Lion's Claw because you won't land all the hits and pancake them, but you WILL burn more FP and Stamina. I also like testing on those omens in the Underground Roadside. Right next to a site of grace and there are several and they have 6k hp so can withstand a few hits.
I ran basically the entire DLC at RL1 with the cold-infused standard GK (only exception was Bayle) and it synergizes extremely well with the Deflecting Hardtear. Also shreds poise with Piercing Fang and Impaling Thrust.
Thanks for the breakdown, been waiting for this one myself! I don't know how good it is but I like to run seppuku with the great katana, there's something so satisfying watching a long blade drip red
One interesting thing about Overhead Stance is you can roll out of the stance to dodge. This actually makes the Relana Camo sort of decent against some bosses because you can go into the stance while looking for an opening and dodge if needed. It isn’t *great*, but it is kind of fun.
Hey man, love your videos! The one with the staff of the great beyond was a LOT of help with the stats. I'm loving my cold great katana +3 on my level 25 co op build. I agree rellanas cameo sucks.
Blood tax is also interesting option for ash of war, because it gives you significantly more attack speed, makes all your attacks piercing, and adds regeneration on top of that. The animation is a bot long, but not longer than overhead stance heavy.
As a great katana enjoyer, this video couldn't have come at a better time. Speaking of which, could you please do a video on the numerous dragon incantations?
Very worth pointing out that with the new Rellana Cameo buff (now it's 45%), Overhead Stance is a much better option now than it used to be, as with the talisman it will do a lot more damage than Lion's Claw or Savage Lion's Claw.
its skill doesn't look like anything special but it rounds out the moveset incredibly well (given that it has an amazing thrust R2) and bullies NPC enemies. Awesome weapon!
I've been rocking the normal Great Katana with a Cold infusion and the Storm Blade AoW and the damage it does between blade, projectile, cold (and consequent added damage when procced) and bleed is completely absurd. Easily spammable, costs very little mp and stamina, the animation is fast meaning you can dodge efficiently and with enough poise you can ignore literally everything that's not 10 times your size
I did a Storm Blade build, the Divine Beast Helm (+3 STR & DEX) plus Millicent's Prosthesis (+5 DEX) make it possible to have 59 VIG and 55/55 STR/DEX at level 125 At 55/55 the Great Katana gets 700 AR 1h, veeeeeeery slightly losing to Keen at 14/80 (708 AR) - but you get 750 AR 2h, vastly overpowering Keen's 712 AR and beating Heavy's 2h 740 AR at 80/18. Still very expensive points wise, only worth it because of dual scaling on Storm Blade (the bullet will deal lots more damage on Quality). Still pretty versatile lol
Something isn’t right here. The bullet AoW will do more damage on keen not quality for same level investment especially since this gets the “strong” scaling of keen. Keen has a 2.8 coefficient for dex and a 1.3 coefficient for strength while quality has a 1.9 coefficient for strength and Dex. Simple math… 2.8+1.3= 4.1 for keen 1.9+1.9=3.8 for heavy Effectively even at a 55/55 investment the keen build will still do more damage. Adding on that you will still get a higher 1 handed AR on a dedicated keen build, the on hit from the AoW will still do more damage on keen. Summery: Quality will never outscale keen for bullet ashes but it may outscale heavy
Looks like the Rellana's Cameo comments didnt age that well I see. 😅 Jokes aside, helpful advice as usual. Contemplating on whether to rock great katana or light greatsword next run.
Great Katanas should've been allowed Phantom Slash, imo. I know that's a poleblade skill, but GKs could've easily been adapted. As it goes in my imagination: Imagine the wielder holding the GK behind them in a two-handed grip at waist height (a classic samurai film pose), then stomping and lunging forward with the weapon in an upward slash. The follow-up sees the wielder, with the blade now overhead, bring the GK down with great force. Both attacks are, of course, mimicked by the titular phantom. That's the idea in my head, and I would love to make it a reality. It'll take a while to get there, though 😅
What kills me about the grat katanas are how did the whole class get a feint attack but the one back blade that should have one(curse cirques) does not
I just stared a new base-game run with Nagakiba/Chilling Mist with plans to swap over to GK in the DLC. But my lizard brain got distracted by Lions Claw. Oh dear.
The real ULTIMATE Guide is how to fight against the Great Katanas esp Rakshasa with running poke and couch poke spam in PvP like the greatest spear weapon out there lol
I struggling using overhead stance in pvp situation. Good against 1 v 1 personally It's hard to pull off against gankers since with lack of hyper armor.
Fun Fact: The great katana class is a direct reference to the Monster Hunter series long sword, the light attack combo and feint are both almost identical to the slash slash thrust slash combo and fade slash attacks. Despite this fact. Fromsoft decided not to take the angled scabbard design that MH has, and now we have a huge seathe clipoing into the floor at all times
Which game is that referencing? This is a reused animation chain from DS2 so it likely predates your weeb game. Also if you take issue with the scabbard just equip the weapon in left hand and two-hand, you're welcome.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Its not a reused animation chain from ds2 and there was no need to talk shit about a game you clearly don't know about (It predates Demons Souls)
Overhead Stance is good in terms of frame data, but damage, poise damage and tracking is not enough for me. It's also a pity that the PS Great katana moveset is not as good as I thought it would be.
Before I watch this video, I'm hoping that he covers how peculiarly amazing the Great Katana is on an Occult infusion, I feel like I'm part of some kind of exclusive subcommunity of like, 3 people who knows how bonkers it is when optimized with stuff like the Mushroom Crown and Exultation Talismans. All videos I watch of it people either recommend Heavy and two-handing it or Keen because it's by default a Dexterity weapon and using Greases and I mean, like... what? If you want to put a buff on it, Poisonous Mist gives ridiculous amounts of Poison buildup on an Occult weapon with high Arcane, while also being just a generally useful move for trading and such. You could also use Seppuku if you wished and Bleed people in two swings with it. Other notable things to include alongside this are: The Poisoned Hand which gives a 5% attack buff (even when in the offhand while you are two-handing the Great Katana) when Poisoning or Rot occurs, and Sacred Bloody Flesh which is a consumable dropped by Bloodfiends which gives +10 Arcane and a small attack boost that becomes a big attack boost, larger than Exalted Flesh, when Blood Loss occurs. I'm reaching 1.5k Attack Power in the menu when all buffs are active, and that's just with the Exultation Talismans, Mushroom Crown, Poisoned Hand, and Sacred Bloody Flesh, with nothing else. You can stick with 70 Arcane and reach 80 using the consumable, then invest those 10 points into some other needed stats. At Level 139, you are basically playing at level 149 while still being able to match with 125 and 150 players. I will edit this comment after watching the video. EDIT: I see that it was mostly relegated to a small portion of the already short section referring to all infusions in a general sense and wasn't given any notes beyond "it's good on Occult because it has innate Bleed" and I mean, yes that is true, but most often Occult weapons tend to have at least somewhat notably lower physical attack than the other physical infusions for nearly all weapons in the game and only really gets better at really high levels of stat investment where it becomes a kind of scuffed Quality weapon. But the Great Katana has Attack extremely comparable to Keen while still having nearly double the amount of Bleed, and high Arcane means you can just run a Dragon Communion Seal with a handful a points put into Faith for things like Bloodboon, Fire Serpent, Pest Threads, Bestial Sling, Catch Flame, etc, and have access to amazing ranged attacks just because you are a Arcane build. Starting as a Prophet is a good idea for optimization, I'm reach 56 Vigor at Level 139 with minimum Mind and Faith investment, 70 Arcane, the nimimum stats needed to use the Great Katana, and the rest is put into Endurance at 23.
I happened to see this comment before you edited it (pointing it out to make sure you know I know the context). The Great Katana performs well on Occult infusion, but it does not actually scale better than Occult counterparts of other weapons/weapon classes also with base bleed. Weapons with base bleed tend to perform best in terms of stats on Occult infusion to begin with. But if you're comparing this weapon to other base bleed weapons for certain weapon arts or what not, the Great Katana does stand but not because of its Occult scaling. The reason is that it is a great weapon class with base bleed and high base attack in a niche that formerly has one competing option (Flamberge). You will see me make use of this in my next build video using the Great Katana.
At 8:38 you mention that the Blood infusion overrides the base Bleed of the Great Katana, but doesn’t the bleed proc do more damage if you Bleed infuse an innate-bleed weapon? I think that’s the key piece of context missing there. Bleed infusion is still advantageous if the proc does more damage
How is their stance and guardcounter damage? Wanted to use some form of Katana for a sekiro-themed build, and the higher guard boost on the great katanas seemed better for that compared to Nagakiba.
Personally I do not agree with your assessment regarding the Quality infusion on the Great Katana. It's an expensive infusion to optimise for, but at lvl 150 you will get a noticeable amount of additional effective damage than with a Keen infusion, if you use it with 2 hands. I managed to push my stats to 54 STR and 62 DEX, which nets me an AR of 763 when 2-handing. Also, Double Slash. If you're not looking for any hyper armor in your ash of war, but instead hard damage and good status buildup, use Double Slash rather than Overhead Stance.
54 Str 62 Dex is a lot more stat points than I would put into any 150 build. I'm showing 58 str/dex one-handed to show the AR at softcap to give a good comparison of quality across different weapons. If you have 54 str 62 dex you most definitely do not have enough stat points for other stats like vigor or endurance or even mind. These stats definitely provide a larger benefit than 1% AR gain for like 5 stat points. If that's the case, you might as well run Heavy infusion at 98 strength, 18 dex (same amount of stat investment for 771 AR which is higher than quality infusion).
Is there still a good reason to go nagakiba with the various ashes everyone loved on it (stormblade, spinning slash, double slash, etc)? It feels like the great katana takes that now with unsheathe being the exception ofc
Can the normal Great Katana be an Ocean of Blood with Occult + Seppuku on high arcane? Or rather Keen, Bloodflame Blade, Repeating Thrust, mostly dex, a little bit of faith?
Been running the regular Odachi Occult with blood tax on it for my dex/arcane build (I know I am cringe but only do PVE). It can get pretty nasty as blood tax is all piecing damage that builds up bleed.
if you have dex arcane build use blood infusion instead of occult. it will give you more bleed buildup. and repeating thrust does more damage compared to blood tax.
Kinda wish overhead stance was better for standard keen GK. I like the way it feels, but I don't want to just make an 80 arc occult build that just spams it. Ash sticks are cringe
It's literally a worse unsheathe, the light attack deals so little damage you might as well do running attacks which have better range and damage while costing no FP and the heavy doesn't even true combo so you'll end up doing less damage than unsheathe R2 in more hits.
@anitaremenarova6662 Repeating Crossbow is actually usable with Both Bolt Talismans that increase damage it just sucks I have to Sacrifice 2 Talisman slots to make it somewhat viable, With Lightning Bolts (if most hit) it does about 700-800 damage free aiming it, I trained myself to use it it's a fun weapon but the damage is very avoidable just with a single roll or so its the way I catch people off guard with free aiming it because nobody expects bolts to do that much damage and just ignore it.
@@nexemisroguelikes234 I was talking about the cameo talisman but yeah, the shotgun crossbow is just so much better since they can't roll most of the damage if you time your shots right.
@anitaremenarova6662 I was running a Blackgaol Knight build in arena and stumbled upon Steelovsky and beat him twice! he was running a shamshir build with the icon shield on the back i dont remember the armor he used but even he started panic rolling as i dealt 600 damage with the crossbow lol
Best Elden Ring spreadsheet guy. Keep up the great work man!
Thanks! Will do!
The only guy I can go to for trusted and accurate elden ring info, no hype, no BS, just facts and down to earth recommendations. Great work!
Great Katana has an interesting interaction with impaling thrust. When you 2H, the ash fills the 1st attack slot in the chain, allowing you to do the follow up jab
Yeah its really good to pair with the spear talisman cause of that. Great katana with impaling thrust has become my fav weapon in the game. Piercing fang is good too for pvp
also good with flame spear..
Impaling thrust does that for some other weapons too iirc
Impaling thrust does this with all weapons' light attack chains
You can also do this with R2 on rakshasa. You can do R2+R1 and get some nuts piercing damage. Kinda replaces zweihander's niche for me. Just overall way better
The dragon hunter one is fun because its a quality weapon and quality means you could use heafty rock pots + fan daggers.
Fan daggers keep bosses from regenerating their posture during their endless combos and free aimed rock pots are great for PvP, it's basically a mortar strike, real fun.
Fan daggers would keep their posture low regardless of how much damage they're dealing, to be fair, but it's nice to optimize consumables on a quality setup!
@@hobosorcereryeah that’s what he said
I mean anyone can and should use fan daggers though? Confused where the tip here is.
Fan daggers and hefty pots are both very meta atm
@@THE_MOONMAN The difference is the damage going from something the enemy can ignore to something they'll be forced to respect when used on a proper build.
They go from a tool, nothing more than a utility, to a decent ranged damage option.
@Velumbra fan daggers never do good damage, they're for popping bubbles and for keeping poise from reseting, or stunning people in light armour. Their damage is totally irrelevant. And hefty rock pots scale with strength mainly. They're best on a str build.
They literally have a D scaling in dex lol.
Not going to lie, seeing another weapon type break down brings a smile to my face.
Another video from the numbers man. Looking forward to watching
Dragon Hunter's completely melted Bayle for me, I'd say it's intended as a Serpent Hunter-like weapon for Jagged Peak.
Yep, I re-rolled my character as a dragon hunter for the entire zone and it was quite a lot of fun. Though next time I fight Bayle I probably won't use the Dragonhunter, however I will always use it for the path up to him 'cause screw slogging through 4 whole ass dragon fights. Also it's better than the Serpent Hunter in the weapon art aspect 'cause it's still very useful even against non-dragons. Then again, that weapon has the aspect of not having any stat requirements which is super-useful for obvious reasons.
And for any other dragon in the game, this thing's damage on dragons is is downright ridiculous. Hell, I think it's even easier to kill Ghostflame Dragons with it than with a holy build.
No complaints about it of course, you get it really late into the game after all, and using it to demolish stuff is wa too much fun. Specialized weapons have always been a cool idea, and while they have done it before with serrated weapons in Bloodborne or the Black Knight ones in souls, I think this one is the best by FAR.
I can't wait for some aspect of this video to be made obsolete next patch cycle.
Jokes aside, fantastic showcase! Despite the many drawbacks of the one handed moveset over the two handed, I love pairing it with magic on a spellblade caster setup.
Please no lmao
i think weed cutter will get nerf that ash is stupid.
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Regarding the Great Katana, I love using Blood tax on it.
Rakshasas katana is mainly for pvp, the hyper armour is stupid busted.
Weed cutter gives a bunch of extra poise, plus reducing the poise damage of invoming attacks by a 3rd.
The extra damage means nothing when you win every trade. And it does so much damage that you still do more damage in a trade almost always.
Its okay for pve as well, but than you need a lot of resistance to survive the incoming damage
@@WyattStrange Only the Rakshasa does, other great katanas have 0 hyperarmor which balances them out.
@@WyattStrangeBackhand blades say hello.
@@IsraTheBlack wait are there such a thing as Great Backhand Blades?
I'd recommend trading with a spear that gave war cry on with the roar medallion, highland axe, and the spear talisman to get a meaty trade in your favor
when i do co op every second invader have that katana and every first invader have gs of damnation 😂
Cold great katana with overhead stance is what took me through the final boss. Not surprised that it might not be that amazing of a skill but man does the triple ichimonji feel good
The great katana became my new favorite weapon, for both pve and PvP. Just so fun to use, with overhead stance, or flame skewer. And has good roll catching capabilities.
Aight. The power stanced great katana attacks are freaking dope.
Very cool. Wow.
Cool fact: the great katana's 2 handed light chain and feint attack seem to be references to monster hunter's long sword
I really is impressive how they made all three of them viable in their own ways. If this is going to be the standard from now on, I'm even more excited for their future games.
Now I can be a Longsword Monster Hunter in Elden Ring!
I love storm blade on GK, it's an FP efficient massive damage (when specced) bullet which also swings the katana faster than anything else, more or less. Try it out folks!
That was my go to for malenia on rl1 before I got bloodhound step, I do agree that it feels pretty nice
Love the videos. Wondering if you could do a video with the buff to renala’s cameo and the great katana overhead stance ash of war
Chrightt: *Shows the 2h light attack chain*
Monster Hunter Long Sword players: 👀
Great guide as always.
Definitely subscribed, this is great content! Could you possibly do a Poleblade of The Bud build? I know it's kinda a bad weapon, which is sort of why I want a build lol. Thank you!
I'm really bad at the game but an occult great katana with blood tax got me the easiest Malenia kill I've ever had
I used that against consort Radahn with ironjar aromatuc and malenia's great rune. Mega heals while doing dps.
I feel like some of the most "basic" and least flashy AoWs are the ones I end up using the most. Impaling Thrust, Storm Blade, Lion's Claw. Honestly, Lion's Claw has carried me through the game, an unbeatable hyper armor is just so good. I tried warming up to Savage Lion's Claw but it seems against most enemies its just worse than Lion's Claw because you won't land all the hits and pancake them, but you WILL burn more FP and Stamina. I also like testing on those omens in the Underground Roadside. Right next to a site of grace and there are several and they have 6k hp so can withstand a few hits.
I ran basically the entire DLC at RL1 with the cold-infused standard GK (only exception was Bayle) and it synergizes extremely well with the Deflecting Hardtear. Also shreds poise with Piercing Fang and Impaling Thrust.
Thanks for the breakdown, been waiting for this one myself! I don't know how good it is but I like to run seppuku with the great katana, there's something so satisfying watching a long blade drip red
Thank u Chrightt 👍🏽
Another excellent breakdown. Thanks!
One interesting thing about Overhead Stance is you can roll out of the stance to dodge. This actually makes the Relana Camo sort of decent against some bosses because you can go into the stance while looking for an opening and dodge if needed. It isn’t *great*, but it is kind of fun.
lol the Ichimonji Triple for the great katana is great
Hey man, love your videos! The one with the staff of the great beyond was a LOT of help with the stats. I'm loving my cold great katana +3 on my level 25 co op build. I agree rellanas cameo sucks.
Blood tax is also interesting option for ash of war, because it gives you significantly more attack speed, makes all your attacks piercing, and adds regeneration on top of that. The animation is a bot long, but not longer than overhead stance heavy.
As a great katana enjoyer, this video couldn't have come at a better time.
Speaking of which, could you please do a video on the numerous dragon incantations?
Oooh man I ve been waiting for this
Very worth pointing out that with the new Rellana Cameo buff (now it's 45%), Overhead Stance is a much better option now than it used to be, as with the talisman it will do a lot more damage than Lion's Claw or Savage Lion's Claw.
I'm really happy that Rakshasa's katana isn't just big Rivers of Blood but it's own unique thing
its skill doesn't look like anything special but it rounds out the moveset incredibly well (given that it has an amazing thrust R2) and bullies NPC enemies. Awesome weapon!
@@BigDBrian Yes! And heavy poke is just awesome
My new favorite weapon class
I've been rocking the normal Great Katana with a Cold infusion and the Storm Blade AoW and the damage it does between blade, projectile, cold (and consequent added damage when procced) and bleed is completely absurd. Easily spammable, costs very little mp and stamina, the animation is fast meaning you can dodge efficiently and with enough poise you can ignore literally everything that's not 10 times your size
Sick vid. Light greatswords plz🙏
I really hope for a LGS ultimate guide
Oh yea, new chrightttt vid let's goo
I did a Storm Blade build, the Divine Beast Helm (+3 STR & DEX) plus Millicent's Prosthesis (+5 DEX) make it possible to have 59 VIG and 55/55 STR/DEX at level 125
At 55/55 the Great Katana gets 700 AR 1h, veeeeeeery slightly losing to Keen at 14/80 (708 AR) - but you get 750 AR 2h, vastly overpowering Keen's 712 AR and beating Heavy's 2h 740 AR at 80/18.
Still very expensive points wise, only worth it because of dual scaling on Storm Blade (the bullet will deal lots more damage on Quality). Still pretty versatile lol
Something isn’t right here. The bullet AoW will do more damage on keen not quality for same level investment especially since this gets the “strong” scaling of keen.
Keen has a 2.8 coefficient for dex and a 1.3 coefficient for strength while quality has a 1.9 coefficient for strength and Dex.
Simple math…
2.8+1.3= 4.1 for keen
1.9+1.9=3.8 for heavy
Effectively even at a 55/55 investment the keen build will still do more damage.
Adding on that you will still get a higher 1 handed AR on a dedicated keen build, the on hit from the AoW will still do more damage on keen.
Summery: Quality will never outscale keen for bullet ashes but it may outscale heavy
dragons great katana against messmers snake is so satisfying when u get that juicy triple hit
There is also a unique follow up R1 (light attack) from the feint.
Chaining a light attack from a feint attack uses the backstep attack! This applies for the other weapons with feint attacks too.
fav new class. on the great katana i run the red lightning buff and use flame grant me strength to cancel the debuff
Excellent man. Will you do a breakdown for Light Greatswords soon too?
Not the next few but soon!
@@Chrightt Sweet!
Looks like the Rellana's Cameo comments didnt age that well I see. 😅
Jokes aside, helpful advice as usual. Contemplating on whether to rock great katana or light greatsword next run.
Occult great katana + double slash ash of war is a whole different beast. If you wan't to destroy everything, try it out.
Double slash is so cool, wish it got wild strikes level of hyper armor though. Gets interrupted too much.
occult great katana looks great
Rakshasa r2 feint still applies pierce damage, Leo ring applies
Spear talisman
That's a hilarious oversight
I wish Overhead Stance was better. I loved Ichimonji in Sekiro and it was so strong it that game.
Great Katanas should've been allowed Phantom Slash, imo. I know that's a poleblade skill, but GKs could've easily been adapted. As it goes in my imagination:
Imagine the wielder holding the GK behind them in a two-handed grip at waist height (a classic samurai film pose), then stomping and lunging forward with the weapon in an upward slash. The follow-up sees the wielder, with the blade now overhead, bring the GK down with great force. Both attacks are, of course, mimicked by the titular phantom.
That's the idea in my head, and I would love to make it a reality. It'll take a while to get there, though 😅
What kills me about the grat katanas are how did the whole class get a feint attack but the one back blade that should have one(curse cirques) does not
Even light Greatswords dont have a feint attack
We need a video on the new bows cuz they are BUSTED!
Overhead stance should’ve lived up to Ichimonji and dealt monsterous stance damage!
I just stared a new base-game run with Nagakiba/Chilling Mist with plans to swap over to GK in the DLC. But my lizard brain got distracted by Lions Claw. Oh dear.
Two-handed attacks with the Great Katana is suspiciously the same as the Longsword from Monster Hunter.
They're common moves in japanese martial art
It's a reused moveset from DS2
If you're using occult, poison mist is strong for the double status pressure in PVP.
yes sadly arcane build got gutted with new patches :(
Can you do a storm build? I find it entertaining as hell. But not sure how viable
Coming up next actually.
If you press R1 after the feint attack, it comes out as a running R1
The real ULTIMATE Guide is how to fight against the Great Katanas esp Rakshasa with running poke and couch poke spam in PvP like the greatest spear weapon out there lol
I struggling using overhead stance in pvp situation.
Good against 1 v 1 personally
It's hard to pull off against gankers since with lack of hyper armor.
5:41 LMAO
Deadly moveset
Fun Fact: The great katana class is a direct reference to the Monster Hunter series long sword, the light attack combo and feint are both almost identical to the slash slash thrust slash combo and fade slash attacks.
Despite this fact. Fromsoft decided not to take the angled scabbard design that MH has, and now we have a huge seathe clipoing into the floor at all times
Which game is that referencing? This is a reused animation chain from DS2 so it likely predates your weeb game. Also if you take issue with the scabbard just equip the weapon in left hand and two-hand, you're welcome.
@@anitaremenarova6662First of all no, and second of all calm down
@@xuanathan What no? That sentence makes no sense without clarification. I'm fully calm.
@@anitaremenarova6662monster hunter predates souls games by many years
@@anitaremenarova6662 Its not a reused animation chain from ds2 and there was no need to talk shit about a game you clearly don't know about (It predates Demons Souls)
Chrightt!!
Ichimonji tripe the last piece of the sekiro build
Overhead Stance is good in terms of frame data, but damage, poise damage and tracking is not enough for me. It's also a pity that the PS Great katana moveset is not as good as I thought it would be.
Before I watch this video, I'm hoping that he covers how peculiarly amazing the Great Katana is on an Occult infusion, I feel like I'm part of some kind of exclusive subcommunity of like, 3 people who knows how bonkers it is when optimized with stuff like the Mushroom Crown and Exultation Talismans. All videos I watch of it people either recommend Heavy and two-handing it or Keen because it's by default a Dexterity weapon and using Greases and I mean, like... what? If you want to put a buff on it, Poisonous Mist gives ridiculous amounts of Poison buildup on an Occult weapon with high Arcane, while also being just a generally useful move for trading and such. You could also use Seppuku if you wished and Bleed people in two swings with it.
Other notable things to include alongside this are: The Poisoned Hand which gives a 5% attack buff (even when in the offhand while you are two-handing the Great Katana) when Poisoning or Rot occurs, and Sacred Bloody Flesh which is a consumable dropped by Bloodfiends which gives +10 Arcane and a small attack boost that becomes a big attack boost, larger than Exalted Flesh, when Blood Loss occurs. I'm reaching 1.5k Attack Power in the menu when all buffs are active, and that's just with the Exultation Talismans, Mushroom Crown, Poisoned Hand, and Sacred Bloody Flesh, with nothing else. You can stick with 70 Arcane and reach 80 using the consumable, then invest those 10 points into some other needed stats. At Level 139, you are basically playing at level 149 while still being able to match with 125 and 150 players.
I will edit this comment after watching the video.
EDIT: I see that it was mostly relegated to a small portion of the already short section referring to all infusions in a general sense and wasn't given any notes beyond "it's good on Occult because it has innate Bleed" and I mean, yes that is true, but most often Occult weapons tend to have at least somewhat notably lower physical attack than the other physical infusions for nearly all weapons in the game and only really gets better at really high levels of stat investment where it becomes a kind of scuffed Quality weapon. But the Great Katana has Attack extremely comparable to Keen while still having nearly double the amount of Bleed, and high Arcane means you can just run a Dragon Communion Seal with a handful a points put into Faith for things like Bloodboon, Fire Serpent, Pest Threads, Bestial Sling, Catch Flame, etc, and have access to amazing ranged attacks just because you are a Arcane build. Starting as a Prophet is a good idea for optimization, I'm reach 56 Vigor at Level 139 with minimum Mind and Faith investment, 70 Arcane, the nimimum stats needed to use the Great Katana, and the rest is put into Endurance at 23.
I happened to see this comment before you edited it (pointing it out to make sure you know I know the context). The Great Katana performs well on Occult infusion, but it does not actually scale better than Occult counterparts of other weapons/weapon classes also with base bleed. Weapons with base bleed tend to perform best in terms of stats on Occult infusion to begin with.
But if you're comparing this weapon to other base bleed weapons for certain weapon arts or what not, the Great Katana does stand but not because of its Occult scaling. The reason is that it is a great weapon class with base bleed and high base attack in a niche that formerly has one competing option (Flamberge). You will see me make use of this in my next build video using the Great Katana.
I'm gonna use Rellana's Cameo anyway
At 8:38 you mention that the Blood infusion overrides the base Bleed of the Great Katana, but doesn’t the bleed proc do more damage if you Bleed infuse an innate-bleed weapon? I think that’s the key piece of context missing there. Bleed infusion is still advantageous if the proc does more damage
he said right it overrides. you also right it does extra 100 damage.
I take it Lion's Claw and Savage Lion's Claw are the best go-to ashes over say, Double Swing or Sword Dance?
it's the ganker weapon!
Everytime i load into colosseum and see someone using a GK, i know im trouble lol. Got 2 tapped by a powerstancer last night
Great Katana inputs need to be held. Be aggressive only enough to get your enemy aggressive in PvP, then allow them to come to you and hold inputs
Yep, the R1 chain can be staggered just like the knight/banished GS except with more range.
How is their stance and guardcounter damage? Wanted to use some form of Katana for a sekiro-themed build, and the higher guard boost on the great katanas seemed better for that compared to Nagakiba.
Me getting ready for Monster Hunter Wilds:
Go strength with Stormblade and you will dominate.
Personally I do not agree with your assessment regarding the Quality infusion on the Great Katana.
It's an expensive infusion to optimise for, but at lvl 150 you will get a noticeable amount of additional effective damage than with a Keen infusion, if you use it with 2 hands. I managed to push my stats to 54 STR and 62 DEX, which nets me an AR of 763 when 2-handing.
Also, Double Slash. If you're not looking for any hyper armor in your ash of war, but instead hard damage and good status buildup, use Double Slash rather than Overhead Stance.
with that stat spread + 60 vigor you will end up at 143 lvl with vagabond do you play with 18 endurance?
54 Str 62 Dex is a lot more stat points than I would put into any 150 build. I'm showing 58 str/dex one-handed to show the AR at softcap to give a good comparison of quality across different weapons. If you have 54 str 62 dex you most definitely do not have enough stat points for other stats like vigor or endurance or even mind. These stats definitely provide a larger benefit than 1% AR gain for like 5 stat points. If that's the case, you might as well run Heavy infusion at 98 strength, 18 dex (same amount of stat investment for 771 AR which is higher than quality infusion).
Savage lions claw pre tracking buff is worse than overhead due to it missing alot more. Havent tried it post buff however.
how would you compare the normal great katana with the nagakiba ?
Shield of night pls
there is no info about weed cutter in frame data explorer :( what jump attack can punish that ash? cgs and gs jumping r2 can't break poise :(
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Is there still a good reason to go nagakiba with the various ashes everyone loved on it (stormblade, spinning slash, double slash, etc)? It feels like the great katana takes that now with unsheathe being the exception ofc
If you're just weapon art spamming, Great Katana is definitely better. You only take Nagakiba if you like its moveset over the Great Katanas.
Can the normal Great Katana be an Ocean of Blood with Occult + Seppuku on high arcane?
Or rather Keen, Bloodflame Blade, Repeating Thrust, mostly dex, a little bit of faith?
Been running the regular Odachi Occult with blood tax on it for my dex/arcane build (I know I am cringe but only do PVE). It can get pretty nasty as blood tax is all piecing damage that builds up bleed.
if you have dex arcane build use blood infusion instead of occult. it will give you more bleed buildup. and repeating thrust does more damage compared to blood tax.
@@lukaogadze5071 but blood tax heals you
Great katanas would be better if they had foresight slash and spirit helm breaker from the monster hunter longswords
Sorry, I don't speak weeb. What do those attacks look like?
Does the Status MV take resin's into consideration, or do they always add a flat amount to any hit (unaffected by Status MV)?
Resins still use status MVs.
you can do feints with Great katanas?????
Great Katana with blood tax and the amulet that lets you recover hp is broken
So does alexander shard boost Stance AOW damage?
Great Katanas have faint attacks???????
4:53 what tool/site are you using that provides the exact scaling details?
elden ring ar calculator, elden ring motion values doc, elden ring frame data explorer.
Thanks babe.
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Any thoughts on Keen GT Vs Rakshasa?
Rakshasa wins on every front, if you want to somewhat match it in dmg go lightning + lightning slash + lighting cracked tear in physik.
rakshasa is way better. it has stupid hyper armor on every attack plus claymore r2.
What damage type is the dragon-hunter’s bullet?
Standard physical
Kinda wish overhead stance was better for standard keen GK. I like the way it feels, but I don't want to just make an 80 arc occult build that just spams it. Ash sticks are cringe
It's literally a worse unsheathe, the light attack deals so little damage you might as well do running attacks which have better range and damage while costing no FP and the heavy doesn't even true combo so you'll end up doing less damage than unsheathe R2 in more hits.
As underwhelming Rellana's Cameo is, I wish it worked with the Repeating Crossbow stance ):
It did not need a prerequisite tbh, they already nerfed moonveil to the ground.
@anitaremenarova6662 Repeating Crossbow is actually usable with Both Bolt Talismans that increase damage it just sucks I have to Sacrifice 2 Talisman slots to make it somewhat viable, With Lightning Bolts (if most hit) it does about 700-800 damage free aiming it, I trained myself to use it it's a fun weapon but the damage is very avoidable just with a single roll or so its the way I catch people off guard with free aiming it because nobody expects bolts to do that much damage and just ignore it.
@@nexemisroguelikes234 I was talking about the cameo talisman but yeah, the shotgun crossbow is just so much better since they can't roll most of the damage if you time your shots right.
@anitaremenarova6662 I was running a Blackgaol Knight build in arena and stumbled upon Steelovsky and beat him twice! he was running a shamshir build with the icon shield on the back i dont remember the armor he used but even he started panic rolling as i dealt 600 damage with the crossbow lol
Why is infinite hyper armor called super armor and not vice-versa? Hyper sounds stronger than super
No idea. People just settled on it from somewhere else.
Most moves give you poise, superarmor is an action modifier that renders you immune to stun of any kind.