89 Cherokee IRO 1/2" HD OTK Heim Steering Install
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- 1989 Jeep Cherokee XJ Pioneer Renix 4.6L I6 AW4 NP231 6" RE Lift 35"x12.5" STT Pros
Iron Rock Offroad 1/2" HD OTK Steering Kit:
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This video was one of your most informative. I appreciate all the info, great job!
Nice job on the install and great video. Very thorough. Enjoyed your humor and commentary. Thumbs up!
Sweet setup. makes me think twice about mine. I've beaten up my Y-link by Rusty's off-road. probably time to upgrade again. will definitely consider this.
Dang man that was a good install video. Thanks for taking the time to make it. IRO should have it linked on there website.
I will say thank you for putting the video! I have a zj and the steering is loose and I’m thinking about going the 1-ton steering just like this one and you gave me a boost of motivation
Just put this steering on my TJ. One of the best mods so far I have done so far. See how it does long term. Still keepin my Currie system just in case.
Nice video thanks man. I'm so mad I missed out on that black Friday deal but will be going with the 5/8 kit for my ZJ.
Nice, I have that setup on my TJ. It's been great but a little more difficult to align. Most shops won't touch it to do a computer alignment though. So a tape measure is probably as close as you will be able to get it.
great job! the best work you've done. I do miss a little bit of the Kylo Ren throw downs though in your early videos.
good kit I have the 5/8 keep the dirt out of the heim joints if you look real close at them there is a thin plastic insert inside of them in the dirt will wear them out
Hey Nick. we should talk about jeeps sometime. I run my 1996 Cherokee Country with a set up like this but use those special rocker washers or whatever on all of the hyme joints , not just the drag link, because it adds lots of fexibility to the joints. I favour this design over every other one. I also really love this video, instantly subscribed, I think yiure genuinely funny and found this to be one of my favourite videos of all time, 44 great minutes, and I think you're a genuinely great guy.
Awesome job Sir! The only thing I would have done differently, was a little never-seize on all the bolts. Great vid though!
Ever seen Rusty 411? Great XJ channel. Lives in Florida. Both you guys love mud and water.
13:07 the voice sounds like a japanese master
Smashing job :-D, what a great improvement and all the loose joints are bye bye now lol.
I like the simpler design better, well worth all your work :-D.
Setting up the endstops just finishes the install nicely, and gives a positive stop, you dont need to worry about going too far.
A possible brush over the bare joints with grease to help to keep water off, perhaps :-).
Love the vids been watching for awhile now! I have an 89 2door!
2-Doors are awesome, I have a 97 2dr.
Great video!!!
Thanks for explaining this stuff man.
i was thinking of getting this for my girl friends jeep, now seeing the install and you testing it ill be getting one for her, Just need to find one here in Canada lol
Need to find a girl?????
I got a pitman arm puller a few weeks ago. It came so you couldn't put a socket on it and therefore not use an impact. I wasn't happy but hey it worked with a box wrench....slowly.
Best video ever for IR OTK install. I have it on my TJ and it's time to replace a heim or 2. They have been on for prob 6 years of so in a Canadian climate. Dont have the time to order from the states for replacements. Do you think I can replace the IR ones with others?
Forgot to say he just did hydro assist from PSC. Very good tips and installation.
Never heard of 'em, but I did notice that video thumbing through. May have to take a peek when I finally get around to it myself...
thanks for sharing I use the string method for alignment. do yourself a great favor replace the lower control arm brackets that are on the front axle they will bend causing the axle to shift to one side and it will bend your track bar .this happen on my son's TJ. when he was wheeling.. replace them with something heavier..the Jeep has 33 inch tires with a 3-4inch lift. ..like the system you installed I wish they had a setup for a yj over the alxe.
Interesting, I was wondering if they throw axle alignment off at all. I know mine are a little beat up from rocks, wouldn't mind some beefier brackets If I knew I could weld em on straight
Exact thing happened to my jeep. Ended up just replacing the whole front end.
Nick I have a question I am putting together my one lift right now I have 4.5 and I am going to 6.5 I got a 5.5 to 7 in adjustable track bar and pitman arm for 6 to 8 inch lift will that be a problem for steering?
Nice work
Try using a pickelfork attachment on an air hammer. Makes the job of removing pitman tie rods so much easier.
Hello do u still have this kit on ur Jeep I want one for my 96 do have Access to an alignment rack at my work so I’ll b doing it that way
finally back to normal, half past dark, dogs barking, pending cold rain & snow!!! Great parts pick & price. U r a fucking animal man!!Peace
Haha, just like the good ol' times...
How is this system working ? Is it quiet ? Been thinkin about getting one for my 91 xj.
I want to know if this will work with a 16x8 wheel with 4.5 inch backspacing
me too, evem if the paper log were here to stay, i would never go back to paper logs..
i work for Ruan Transport and i Do recommend this Company..
nice video, im considering doing this to my 95 zj, the stearing is a mess. this kit with an after market stearing box and it should feel like a new vehical.... ive gone through 4 stearing boxes in 5 years, shitty quality worm gears......
Do not use steering bumpers?
At high speed is not shaking?
Damn, I could listen to you all day.
it would be sweet if you do a update on the steering bc I'm thinking about buying the same setup
I'll get to put it to the test in a couple weeks. I'm hoping to dial the toe in so it doesn't wander at highway speeds, but besides that I'm very happy with the craftsmanship and the responsiveness.
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how does the suspension work on a stock with a lift
I'm only like an 1 1/2 north of you. Just recently acquired a 99 Cherokee xj.
Nick, Love your videos! I think you should start a gofund me page for a garage lol. Most of your videos start during the day and go into the night. With a garage, it wouldn't matter lol
Mmmmmm...... Garage...........
Can u please help why does both my bars have play if I twist them? My hiem joints I can’t seem to get them right which allows my bars to have play is there a way to fix this
Top notch install vid! Question: you mentioned getting a steering box from iro as well. Do you think decrease in steering wheel play is due more to the steering box or the drag link and tid rod? Im trying to decide if i need a new steering box. Thanka man, keep making vids!
Steering Box Spacer. The factory one is a weak aluminum section that is known to crap and will give lots of wiggle to the box. I still haven't gotten around to installing it as I plan to take the box out and tap it, maybe rebuild it too.
But since this is a full steering replacement, i'm sure you'd notice a difference with this. Ironman4x4 sells an external steering box brace to keep it from wiggling the rest of the way which can also help to tighten it up but you might not notice a difference with smaller tires.
NickInTimeFilms Ok cool, thanks. Im on 35s with stock steering and a rebuilt box, so im sure anything will help at this point haha.
whats the difference of this to the cavfab crossover steering im trying to upgrade mine but i want something that would work ok for my daily driver
Well they are both heim joint steering kits. Cavfab is under the knuckle and requires you mount to the top of the pitman arm or get a track bar drop bracket to work. I've also heard shipping can take a while. Iron Rock Off Road is over the knuckle and still keeps all your factory angles. When set-up properly, either kit would work for a DD
does your drag link roll? or flop around and clank/bang when you hit bumps?. I have a very similar setup (tho my tie rod is under the drag link on the pass side). it drives better on HWY (45+) than at under 40 mph. I don't have sway bars but have hydro assist. Im just concerned about the drag link banging...
Nah, mine is tight enough that it's fine.
Love the videos man! Would you happen to know if this kit would fit with an aftermarket Dana 30 differential cover? It seems that my Solid diff cover is considerably thicker than stock and may cause problems for me. Thank you for any input, it would be much appreciated!
27:42 is your ticket. I had 2 gloved fingers worth of clearance at full lock
+NickInTimeFilms ok thanks a lot! This may just be the kit for me!
how do you like them tires your running iv been looking at new tires i drive on the road q lot but wheel bout every weekend little mud little sand little rock so i need an all around tire
So far so good, I'm happy with em. Decently quiet on the road with good road manners. They kicked ass in PA too, hard to get them to actually spin out.
have you looked at the steering box brace from iron man 4x4? Apparently it works wonders on steering feel.
I have seen that monster, and it makes a lot of sense. Price is actually pretty good too. I want to go try this setup out on the rocks but I doubt it's gonna do what I want. I'm thinking about going hydro assist so that should take a lot of the load off the box anyway.
Why not both? lol
Lol, Guess it depends if it would still be necessary with the assist taking most of the grunt. It certainly can't hurt, just depends if I feel like going through with it.
think I just realized my problem. the side to side bar where it connects to the car only has one nut. off to get another nut now.
Yeah bro you need two nuts 💪😂
Hey Nick, I skimmed the comments, didn't see this asked. I'm looking to do heim steering, but building my own. Want to do the drag link under the knuckle like this kit. Do you know the angles of the bends on this kit? Would like to recreate the angles with bigger tubing and heims.
I'm not too confident in my angle finding abilities but the lower bend might be around 30º
i have been interested in this steering setup for a long time and might be buying it in a few weeks. does it come painted black?
Yep, didn't do a single thing to this kit. It's simple and easy, but I really wish there was some way to easily adjust the toe. It seems to want to wander a little at high speeds but it could be my wheel bearings, or it needs a touch more toe. Maybe i just didn't notice it when my steering was so loose. or maybe a steering stabilizer really does make a difference. I still really like this kit though.
Nick, now that you’ve had a year of testing, how are the Heim’s holding up, are they still tight?
So far so good, they are still holding up quite well and I haven't lubricated them once. But I believe the teflon coding does that for you and lube might just attract dirt.
Is the IRO steering setup still causing wondering at freeway Speeds or did you contribute it to something else? Thanks Nick.
After getting the long arms and fixing my caster, it seems to be better now
Hi Nick, I recently installed the same kit on my 90 XJ. Everything works great except when I bottom out the suspension, the tie rod contacts the pitman arm bolt and is putting some nasty marks on my beautiful tie rod... Have you experienced this problem? Thanks and love the videos!!
Also, have you had any clearance issues with the steering damper?
I don't know If I've been able to flex the kit out that hard yet but no contact issues on my end. How much lift do you have? Steering Damper clears properly but since I didn't adjust it right the first time I ruined the seal and all the fluid leaked out so it's useless now.
I have the 6" Long arm kit from Full Traction Suspension Part #FTS720601. Only contacts when both front shocks are compressed, not while articulating either side. Hope I am not the only one with this problem. I also destroyed my damper, removed it, and running without one. Seems to be just fine. Anyways, keep up the good work! and give us an update on the steering in the future and let us know how its holding up. THANKS!
Nick, where did you get the kit I`m looking for one for my Cherokee.
IRO = Iron Rock Offroad. Link in the description
Have u seen CavFab 4x4's high steering kit? I ordered their kit but their kit has the drag link on top. Would like to know your opinion on this kit. I have a 3.5" lift
That seems to be the hottest question for heim steering, IRO or CavFab. Now obviously since their draglink mounts to the top of the knuckle, your steering angles are now out of whack. The common solution I've seen is to just mount to draglink to the top of the pitman arm as well and everything seems happy again.
NickInTimeFilms yeah i saw that and was wondering a solution, thanks!! Keep the awesome vids coming!
I just got this same setup and their double shear track bar. Extremely happy with how beefy it is. I didn't expect that. But you get what you pay for. I got quality and happy with it. How is your steering holding up now? the heims are dinky tiny on the 1/2 inch size. Worried it'll break.
Steering is doing good. Noticing a little corrosion on the heims though so I should look into how to clean and lube them properly. Very smooth and makes it easier to turn the wheel. I'm not sure if i even need hydro assist anymore, we will see in april. And Hell no, lol. If I'm doing something that'll break a heim, then I need wantons or a chill pill, haha.
haha good enough for me. can't wait to install it
I've been thinking about buying heim joints
Nice!
Nice video man. Maybe its time for a new steering stabilizer as well.
Yeah... kinda goofed on that one the first time around. I'll be eventually replacing it with something that will certainly stabilize things but that's sometime in the future...
Nick do you think this would work on a YJ with leafs? i figure its a dana 30 and about the same length yj isn't listed in alot of upgrades i would like to try
+Jared Kerwood good question. Id call IRO and see what they have to say, there customer service is very friendly and there's enough guys around that someone should have the answer. The only think I can't think of is clearneces during flexing maybe, but I feel like it might work.
thanks man
Want to do this to my 98 will this have a comfortable ride or does it make rough awesome job btw
I'd say it really firms up that part of the steering. Once it's aligned i'd say it's a pretty good setup.
Thank Im gonna go ahead and do this
What bracket is that for the steering stabilizer on the steering side?
Are you talking about the clamp that mounts on the tie rod and bolts to the steering stabilizer? Because then yes
Do you still have this set up on the Jeep? And did it cause deathwabble?
After I got the alignment right it's been fine. Had to replace the pitman heim last year but that's because ps fluid kept leaking on it. Otherwise it's been fine.
Nice video. who can say that xj's aren't faithful than tornado the zorro's horse.
@NickInTimeFilms - Since installing this linkage have you noticed any noise when hitting bumps. Just curious, since I just installed this kit, and have started noticing a loud clanking noise coming from the front end when I hit bumps. Was wondering if that was just the normal linkage noise, or if I needed to investigate further.
That's just the dragink, to be expected untill the joints tighten up
@@NickInTimeFilms Thank you for the speedy response. I was worried that I had more things wrong with my Jeep. Much appreciated from a fellow Jersey Jeeper.
It's the drag link bouncing up at down. It wore my drag link joints out at like 8k miles.
Did you bore out your knuckles to 3/4"? As well as the pitman arm?
This is the 1/2" kit, doesn't require any drilling or reaming.
hey nick hi bud I currently run a rugged ridge heavy duty steering setup on my 99 jeep xj I run 6.5 of lift and 35s tires! the thing is every like 7-9 months I have to change tie rods ends would you recommend me this setup instead you think this will work better? what do you think?
thanks for your vidz man good work very informative!
Well I can't say much about long term since i've only had this for a few months, but it's been good so far. The biggest issue is just keeping them clean so they last longer
Did you do the research on how to keep the heims clean and greased?
Not yet. I do know that since they are teflon lined you are not suppose to use wd-40 as lube because it eats it away or something. I'll look it up one of these days.
NickInTimeFilms thanks a lot and I just put a set of tie rod ends so i just going to wait for then to get really bad! and then I'll be getting this set up
thanks again for your time
What DeWalt impact do you use? Do you recommend it?
Not sure the exact model as it's my dad's but it pretty decently powerful. The 1/2" has a good amount of force behind it and seems to even surprise me with what it can take off but I have low expectations. It should be fine for low to medium duty jobs but for the BIG jobs I just grab the 1/2" Air Impact as the good ones have a really heavy hit.
Just curious it`s bean about 1 year since your install, how do you rate the OTK setup off road and hwy speeds ?
Offroad it's excellent, a lot smoother to turn and doesn't get caught on the rocks much anymore. Actually took a deer to the passenger side links around 35 and not even a scratch. Did have to tighten it up after that though.
On road I'm not as sure, it's very responsive, but it like to dart around on the highway. I'm not sure if i need more toe, if the caster needs to be adjusted, or is something is wiggling around but it's a constant struggle on the highway unless you're going 70 and then the tires hold themselves straight lol. might not be the steerings fault, but my setup still needs work
Not a smart move for all situations as some steering rods are thin and with time can get a weak spot and break, but with your set up try removing your steering stabilizer and take on the HWY. Some times they throw off the track bar I`ve had a few hardcore Jeep vets tell me to get 1 ton steering rods and toss that stupid shock.
You probably need ball joints to with those huge tires you must go through many....?
Ball Joints are only a couple years old, Hub Bearings changed this year, steering stabilizer is dead so i might as well just take it off. Wondering if the box is flexing, if the spacer is finally cracked, is alignment or goofy tires or what. just annoying.
Yeah remove shock. Definitely check steering box your bolts are probably lose make sure you use torque wrench you don`t want to bent in the uni-body they go through... I bought the JCR steering box brace was easy to install, also welded metal plate to the uni-body on the other side due to a crack forming under the stock swaybar mounting bolts... Solid now as the bolts go trough the JCR brace and metal plate on the outer side :] Also welded a plate where the crack was forming on the bottom of the uni-body that was hinding under the swaybar bolts.
Do you still recommend this as an upgrade? Or is there another kit you’re more favorable to since this a few yrs from install- thanks
I still like this kit a lot. I had to replace the pitman arm joint because of a steering box leak, but otherwise it's done what I need.
@@NickInTimeFilms thanks man, I appreciate your response, I enjoy your videos too, I’m fixing up my pops MJ and your how to’s are unbelievably helpful so thank you
I'm having some trouble with my 97 ZJ, the rear wiper wasn't working, got a new motor and put it in and it's still not working. I hear a click noise from the back when I try to activate the rear wiper... Any idea on what the issue could be?
Hmm. So you replaced the whole unit and still nothing? The clicking you hear is most likely the relay turning the motor on and off, unless it like a constant clicking which would indicate something is broken. I would assume the wiring and the switch are ok if it makes a noise when you hit the button so i would think it's either the plug, or maybe a faulty relay with burned out contacts, or something else not happy.
No it's not a constant clicking. I'll try getting a new relay for it and see if that helps
Did you line it up properly? If not you probably killed the motor. You'll still hear the relay click but it won't move if the motor is burnt out. Easy fix though.
Or it is electrical. A jeep with electrical problems, say it isn't so :P
I believe the gold color plating is sodium dichromate
Hey man, great video. I'm looking to do buy the same set up as soon as they have another sale. How is the steering treating you? Still responsive? Did you ever figure out the wanderig at highway speeds? Thanks man! Keep posting
I think the wandering was from my caster being so far off with the 6" lift. Steering is still fairly responsive but the system as a whole has a little play, probably from the box to frame or something. I'm also getting some odd wobble for a second when I hit big bumps, still looking into that. Jeeps....
NickInTimeFilms so what was the wobble all about? I’ll be using this system on my MJ and I wanna go ahead and get what I need to avoid any hang ups. Thanks man✌🏼
Good question, it drives straight now, only issue left is over certain hard bumps there are a few death wobble shimmies and then it goes back to normal. New HD track bar, this steering, 3 link long arm kit, but no stabilizer. Could be the front tires are way off balance though, but I went through and adjusted all my links till it drove straight and had good caster to keep straight.
NickInTimeFilms hmm 🤔 I wonder....I’ll install mine WITH the stabilizer and see what the results are. I imagine most guys who run this system without it are prolly for trail use only. Idk just an assumption. Either way we’ll see.
NickInTimeFilms hey got another quick but good question, I was looking at “Cavfab” and they have a set up extremely similar to this one but they require a over axle trackbar mount bracket. Your thoughts? I’m torn between that system and this one. They’re roughly the same price but IRO doesn’t require the bracket 🤷♂️
How's it holding up now a year later?
Heims still looking good and tight. Been a slow road trying to get everything dialed in right, but I think it's almost there
Comes Up heeaarrr.
what size rims and tires? look nice
Wheels are 15" by 8" wide American Racing AR62's. Tires are 35"x12.5" Cooper Discoverer STT Pros
hey nick I have the same kit and I'm getting slight bump steer. had any issues with this?
Not that I know of, it feels tight and responsive, almost a little too much at times. have you done anything to your track bar or a drop pitman arm?
track bar is a rustys. I think I may need to wait to pass judgment Intel I put new tires on. I'm hoping the tires are just road walking a bit when I hit bumps making it feel like bumpsteer
Do you have a drop pitman arm?
No. If you have a drop pitman then you need a drop trackbar to match.
Hi Nick,Was wondering if this steering is holding up well. or better yet are the joints rattling or grinding? See after watching your video I want this kit. But over time my Track bar from Rubicon express is creaking, ya joint warn. have new Rubicon HD one to install.As for my steering system its still factory. and I don't want to change the sway bar mounts so this kit makes sense. Or if you did it again would you go with ironman4x4fab one as the joints are way better.. or are they?Any input would help. ThanksRob.FYI I live in BC Canada, and ya Rains a lot here and in winter we get salt, so if this rust a lot it would add to wear.
So far this kit has held up fine. Joints are still fairly tight and I have never lubed them or really cleaned them off. Steering is still tight and responsive for this kit, But i'm still trying to track down an overall looseness of my whole system. I'm wondering if the box or frame is bending a little or something, still need to look into it more. But I still like this kit a lot and would probably get it again if I needed too.
I would also recommend Iron Mans Ton+ kit because it is a TRUE Y-Link kit so tierod roll will not be an issue with that. For extreme weather / lots of corrosion, you may be better off long term with Tie Rod Ends since they are greasable with boots, but these heims are lasting much better then the Rubicon Express Track Bar one so either way should go well
NickInTimeFilms ya my factory steering has held up well even though the boot on the Y is torn due to sway bar bracket binding. Still holds grease. But ya will need an upgrade one day and im slow at doing so... First my main seal.. &( almost scared of atempting that but have know-how from you so thanks on that. Was a awesome video too btw :)
After that install my Rubi HD Trackbar and brace
Hmm if only we could put a 9 speed tranny on pur jeeps and fet better MPG. .alas one can dream
Hi Nick, so i went with a 1 ton steering upgrade from a different company. But i need to replace the ball joints in it and it flip flops.. also it limited my steering as its a strait bar across from one knuckle to the other. UTK. It kits the track bar bolt. Issue is I reamed out the pitman arm and knuckles.
I thought it was a better kit due to not having heim joints. My trackbar was the one you have and it got loose and clanky and creeked.
I was wondering if you have had issues with this steering now as its been 5 years since you installed it? Heim joints ok? And have you thought about rubber booties for the joints and put them on with a load of grease inside?
Thanks
Rob
I had to replace the pitman heim because steering fluid leaked onto it and wore it out a bit. Otherwise it's been fine for me
Update please. Any death wobble or loose steering?
Nope, so far, so good. Haven't been able to put a ton of miles on 'er yet though since the rear finally blew up. It's a solid kit that was designed well.
I'm thinking of putting this on mine. Is yours still holding up good?
Yep, I still dig it. Joints seem to be lasting still
deathwobble??? where? where?
Hey Nick, I just installed the 5/8 version of this. Did your drag link have a like a up and down motion to it?? Like can you grab the drag link and move it. I’m guessing that’s normal operation.
That's normal
I just got the half inch version all put in and drag link is resting on the rod....what am I doing wrong?
Make sure to hold the drag link up higher before tightening the clamp. I think the directions say what angle it should sit at when resting.
@@NickInTimeFilms thank you, that is what I have trying to do, I must not be holding it up enough or tightening it enough.
@@NickInTimeFilms is there a certain way drag link bar should be installed or can it be installed both ways? That could be my issue if so, otherwise I just move jeep real quick and steering feels and responded amazingly good!
Great job. Great display, great explanations, great presentation. How is it you don't have sponsorship and a shop? Half of the people making these videos don't know shit from apple butter 😂
damn you still have the disco axle? did you do anything to your two piece axle? and the pass side diff seal
Yeah, I did the 1 piece conversion with seal and block off kit. CAD delete video for that fun.
i drilled a hole in the housing and fork and put a bolt in to lock the fork in the engaged position. i need to do a one piece and new seal. but am thinking just get a whole new later housing for it. i had a lock rite in my Comanche and am thinking same for my 88 cherokee too. @@NickInTimeFilms
Axle swap is the better solution, because the new seal is a real pain to install correctly. Then it would be easier to sleeve and truss as well. Just be mindful that the passenger upper control arm mount may be weaker so check the welds.
yep the OE brackets and welds can be lame @@NickInTimeFilms
What size spacers? Arched leafs?
1.75" coil spacer up front. Shackle Relocation bracket in the back give an inch and some change in the rear.
Bruh I finally found your channel again, I feel like you got shadow ban lol
What size lift do you have? What is the installed height of your coil springs?
4.5" RE lift with spacers so it sits at 6". Coil spring is 16" at ride height.
"Noice and Toight m8!"
Soooo couple years later. How is it holding up?
Still holding together fine. Heims are still tight and I haven't cleaned them once. Pretty happy with it, but other aspects of the steering and suspension need work to make it truly feel good
@@NickInTimeFilms Good to know thanks. I'm looking at switching my 98 ZJ when my refund check comes in. I'm surprised that several companies look like they dont keep the track bar and drag link in alignment with their 1ton steering.
Yeah, I don't get the blatant disregard for keeping proper factory angles. It's just a big ol mess out there if you don't know what to look for
Is it still doing good for you I'm thinking that what ill want but wonder about the life of the heim joint ends
Well, so far through the years that I've had this kit, I only recently had to replace the pitman arm heim joint because it was popping. That was probably because I've had a power steering fluid leak that's been dripping on it for years and degrading the joint since they are suppose to stay dry. I can't complain, it's a decent kit that's lasted me so far.
What's the price on that kit you remember i want it lol
$360? Idk, check the site. Link should be in the description
I got myn in the mail today I had to have them thanks for your detailed video on the steering bars an Geting back to me so fast
I put them on my jeep an did the lower bars from Rough Country stock up 4links but now my front diff cover it's a Dana 30 under it now my steering pitman arm is scraping the front diff cover like my front end is 2inchs to far forward you ever see that happening befor I didn't get the adjustable four-link bars but it says 4inch fixed bars
What is the backspace on the wheels
Pretty standard for aftermarket, 3.75"bs, 8" wide, 15"
Ok I ordered 15x10 backspace 3.82, little worried will it clear the bolt on crossover steering
I feel like 1/2 heim is too small?
Recommended for my Iron rock 8" lift?
There instructions say it will fit with 3-8” of lift height so you should be fine.
hows the steering holding up now? any bumpsteer or clunking while driving. want to upgrade my stock steering which does fine for now but want the beef for sure
No noises or issues whatsoever. I'm actually pretty happy with the kit and it's so smooth and responsive I'm questioning if I still need hydro assist anymore. I've got a trackbar on the way so hopefully that fixes the darting on the highway. After that I'll have a definitive thrilled or just very happy with response.
i do have the iron rock trackbar relocation bracket, I'm def leaning towards this setup, as long as its smooth with no clunking from the heims I'm def with it. what track bar do you run currently?
Right now I'm running a Rubicon Express trackbar that i got with the 4.5" kit. It wasn't quite long enough when i went up to 6" and the heim actually ripped out when i was on the trail. Threaded it back in deeper and it's done ok but now the hiem itself is worn to the point of shifting back and forth which isn't good. it has served its purpose but i want something beefier now.
how much did you pay for that?
Steering was $295 during black friday sales
Stop installing nice things, damnit! *Goes to eBay
Haha. The deals man, I can't help it! How's that REM scanner working out for you anyway?
I'm still brake-less and therefore without a passed inspection. Since the XJ is parked 20mi away I haven't had the chance to test it. Hopefully sellers will stop sending me parts for 9" drums and start with the 10" ones!
Very nice touch the "Hi from America!" BTW :D
So this kit you don’t need a drop pitman arm or trackbar bracket
Nope. Drop brackets put a lot of extra stress on everything and usually aren't needed, but if you drop one then you have to drop the other so the angles match.
NickInTimeFilms yea that’s what I’m sayin the angles aren’t off with this setup ? Can use everything stock . I need to upgrade my steering but don’t feel like getting a kit where i need to relocate the track bar or get any drop brackets
Right. This kit mounts the drag link under the knuckle to keep factory angles. Completely bolt on and ready to go without any other mods.
NickInTimeFilms perfect what I was lookin for . How’s it holdin up
+Adam swaz still going strong. Joints haven't worn out yet so I'm still happy.
If you are ever considering upgrading your Track Bar setup shoot us a message on here or facebook. We have a Track bar system that would definitely make your front end more peachy or even a steering brace. Its whatevs, we're cool people. Nice video.
Hmmmmmmmm, it's funny you say that becuase I found out my old Trackbar has a worn heim and I'm in the market for a beefier replacement. That might just do the trick...
Yeah as soon as I saw your single shear heim setup and as old as it was, I knew some love may need to be shared. Check it out and tell me what you think.
www.ironman4x4fab.com/Products/XJ_TBS.html
Mmm, that certainly fits the beefy bill. I like it. That should clean up my slop nicely I think.
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Still running this setup? I may order it
Yeah. Finally had to replace the pitman heim a couple months ago because it was popping. Leaking ps fluid probably shortened its life a bit.
@@NickInTimeFilms what wore out exactly? Was it the tapered insert that goes into the Pittman arm? Did that clearance itself out?
No, the actual heim joint that bolts to the pitman arm of the steering box. The joint wore out because power steering fluid was dripping on it and contaminating it.
Put this on my 91 , all I got was death wobble from it.
Check your track-bar bushings.
Awesome video! How long did your kit last?
I had to replace the pitman arm heim because of a power steering leak, besides that it's held up just fine.
@@NickInTimeFilms nice! You’ve had it for how long?
Since this video was posted
@@NickInTimeFilms okay, cool so 4 years now. Wasn’t sure if you had uploaded video right away or not. I just ordered IRO 3” Long arm kit with their 5/8 OTK kit. Should feel like a new vehicle when I’m done.
Do you have any money left over after all these parts lol
Just gotta take it one mod at a time, haha.
"Das hymen joint" ... LOL
I've bust that before
Love the videos Nick ... Another great tutorial .. .... But I have a suggestion for you .... The Owner of Ironman 4x4 Fab out of NC just designed a really nice steering box and sector shaft brace kit ... It completely eliminates any play / flex of the steering box , and has a separate mount to support the sector shaft , I think this would be a great addition to your setup and could really tighten up your steering and add the bracing needed to help eliminate the stress on your steering box with the larger tires and the locker .... Here is a link to his FB page , so you can check out his parts ... They are all extremely strong and built like no others on the market ......facebook.com/ironman4x4fab/
I've seen it floating on FB from time to time, someone else mentioned it too. It definitely looks stout and if I was just planning to upgrade the box then I'd probably get one, but I've got other ideas for taking stress of the box. And the fb link was to your own page, lol
My bad ... I was trying to post his page ... Its facebook.com/ironman4x4fab/ .......... And are you thinking about Hydro assist ? .............. You can order Hiem Joint boots from FK Rod ends that will seal the joints and help keep mud and dust out of the joints ... It will also allow you to spray white lithium grease into the boots to extend the life of the joints themselves ........ We installed them on my buddies steering and they work wonders for keeping the junk out of the joints ... Plus the added lubrication keeps the joints working smooth and stops the balls from getting surface rust on them , which degrades the lining inside the hiems ....
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