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I really like the colour on this 220i!
Melbourne red is beautiful
Joe thanks for sharing an experienced driving enthusiast's views of a reasonably priced car. Wish there was more footage of you pushing it, the 5 series estate footage from years back was a fav., but thanks! 🙏
If you stay away from the MSPORT and Dynamic Handling options, the 230i is the best deal. Plenty of performance as a daily and great mpg. Mine has the Convenience package and heated seats and it’s $39k. Feels good dynamically and looks really nice too. An M 240 starts at about $10k more but most are around $55k. So more like $10-15k more then add taxes and dealer fees. I found mine with only a few basic options and love it.
3k more than my M240i was in 2017! Car prices have gone mad.
Here in the USA I got a 230i M sport with the dynamic handling which includes the bigger Brimbo brakes and ELSD, and I deleted the sunroof and the price was under $42k! That is about $10k under the m240 with the track pack for additional cooling and wider tires that you will need if you plan to hit up track days. That extra 10k does go a long way with BMW as far as raw performance but I don’t think it is 10k worth of fun. Personally I rather save that money and blow it on more tires and more track days. I think the 230i is the sweet spot as long as you don’t go crazy with the options. As far as the 220i we don’t get it here in the States. Not sure how 180hp in a 3500lb car is a fun proposition. That sounds like Miata like acceleration (not a complement) At that point just look for a lightly used 228i or 230i, you’ll be much happier.
You are correct, totally correct but you have to understand that the average gas price Europe is around 10$ per gallon and wages are about half US so as you can guess "running" a car is super expensive and makes that much of a difference
@@PromethSunrise fair enough. At least you guys get the 130ti. If I lived in the EU I’d likely take the 130i over a 220i. The interior isn’t much smaller and the power to weight ratio would be much better.
stage 1 220i has same power as 230i
Drove the m240i and 230i m sport. Did the exact same thing. That car wasn't work the extra 10k to me plus my 230i got optioned out maximally as it was the showroom one.
Another good entertaining and informative video Joe, you’ve mastered this RUclips presenting thing buddy 👌☺️
So nice you have the viewers question on the top right corner and than emediately answer it.
Hey Joe, thanks for responding to my question. By the sounds of it there isn’t a noticeable difference in steering feel between the 220i and M240i. Thanks for the content and greetings from Aus!
Good little video joe…agree for the money in 2022 it’s pretty decent value..interior looks more expensive place to be
Another great review Joe. 👍🏻
As ever, great vid Joe! Looking forward to getting my M240i xDrive in a few months…
Hi Joe,
I hope you see this,
Connor from Berry :)
The door handles are both for aerodynamics, but also for the new EU crash safety regulations, which means the door handle needs to be a certain distance from the inner skin of the door,
Plus it’s a cool re design ;)
Great video Joe, I’ve decided on a new car, the mini Jcw is going and I’ve bought a new x3 20d in Brooklyn grey , it’s not going to be quick but it’s a bit more expensive monthly so couldn’t get the m40i. hopefully I’ll still enjoy having a family wagon. Keep up the great work.
Thank you for your video, which is caviar, as always, Joe 👌🏻🤩
Can't wait watching your video of your next long termer M240iX which will probably be the replacement of my F21 M140i 🤓
Really in love with this specc
I like the look of the M240i and had I not needed the space and recently purchased the M340i Touring (thanks to your reviews and TRL) I might have considered one to replace the M135i (F40). Look forward to seeing your long term thoughts though.
As it happens I recently spent about 10 days in a G42 220d whilst my M240i went to BMW HQ for some specialist coding. I was so sceptical about it initially as it was the new generation car and a diesel of all things but within a day I was fully sold.
Very efficient with a strong torquey motor. I got around 47-50mpg driving with absolutely no consideration to efficiency whatsoever. It’s about 100lb-ft shy of my car but as mine is manual and this has the auto, up to about 45mph there is little difference in acceleration. The motor is smooth and any vibrations are distant but it doesn’t make a good sound at all. If they made a 230d it would be the ultimate daily.
Everything else echoes what Joe says. Build quality, tech and interior mood are massive pluses. I felt like I hand ample room but it felt like the bat mobile inside and far more expensive than what I’d expect something bearing the 2 series badge to be. Up close and in person it really is quite an item. To mee the car is more neutral out of the box than the F22, I had to mod mine to get it to a point where I liked it but I did buy it with intentions to modify.
Steering is dead as a doornail and really hurts the car as everywhere else is a highlight. It’s a great successor to the original and I fully understand why someone would choose to buy it. It may be expensive but it feels expensive so I guess it’s justified. But honestly just by used and get an M lite it’s so much more fun 🤣
Steering is dead in a BMW?! Oh no...
M lite?
You could probably improve the steering a great deal with a stiffer rear anti-Rollbar
I love the 2022 bmw 220i 😍😍🔥🔥🔥
Fantastic video!
How did you manage to watch it that quick?
Hello from Romania, very nice video!
Thanks for the really great video! Even I’m not fan of the new 2 series I always appreciate your honest opinion and impression.
To me car looks LOWER mostly because it has dark colour on the bottom. So optically looks lower to me.
Great to watch Joe. As an owner of 3 of the old 2 series (220d, 240i & 225d) I hope you can get your hands on a diesel which I’m sure will be a big seller , and the 230i and do a comparison to the 220i for those that can’t stretch to the 240 I . Thanks
You've got to be having a laugh if your thinking the diesel will be the best seller.
Thanks for answering the gear fart question Joe! 😅
Bloody OPF filters…
This is a great car for the money!! Very futuristic looking
The most relaxed car review I ever watched.
Honestly was looking for a review of the 2 series with some drifts 😅 can you drift Joe ?
I have a 220i on order and just wondering will an average size set of golf clubs fit in the boot without putting the back seats down?
Another one of those bmw you have to see in the flesh to decide.
The diesel lumps are better when talking about lower cc engines yes but for instance a 3l diesel or 3l petrol from bmw I would chose the petrol all day long, definitely at this day and age where petrol engines are getting better gasmileage and where diesel is more expensive than petrol (at least over here).
I have an M240i arriving some time in the summer. If they released a 230i or 230ti with 6MT...I would trade the M240i in immediately to get one.
I didn’t know you were Australian! One learns something every day!
Great video Joe as always...one question please.... G42 m240 only rear wheel drive will be excist? Thank you keep the nice work 👍
Hi Joe. I test drive the 240i x drive and found it very disappointing. It lacked feel and connection and the adaptive dampers are virtually useless. In the hardest setting the ride is ridiculously hard. Why BMW have this type of set-up is a mystery when most people will never use this setting. By all means have 3 setting but make them relevant. I got back into my 12 year old 135i coupe and it felt so much better.
It would be interesting if you could compare these new models to some of the older BMW models. I know that in many ways there have been improvements, however, in driver connection and enjoyment not so much. I’m another Aussie. Thanks.
I'd love to see the 220d
We don't have this car in the US, my last car was a 2017 m240i convertible, I loved the car it was Melbourne red as well, the first car I ever factory ordered, I think bmw made a mistake dropping the convertible option
Did not know Joe was was an Aussie too , pretty cool
Adaptive is not standard on the M240i. It's £500 but worth it.
true. I just said the same thing. In 340 or 440 it is default but not on 240.
Without watching I bet you give it 5 stars ⭐️ Joe .. keep up the awesome job .. thanks for all your insights I love them
Well you were wrong lol
@@samthoma2719 hahaha 🤣 I can’t always be right i later saw 220i and thought I might be wrong 😑 great 👍 video now
Perhaps you could visit Germany / Nordschleife with the coming M240i and give your thoughts how it compares the base G80?
What kind of cell phone holder or clip do you use in the car vent??
joe can you or anyone tell me what the difference between the 7 and 8 Automatic gearbox ?
I'm more interested in how it handled in city/motorway/country roads ? Not sure if you answered that question ?
Joe, another great video! I love the shape of this new 2 Coupe, don't like the look of the 235i GC, but feel it's size and doors for the kids would be best rather than a coupe 4 Series might be a bit of a stretch. Do you think BMW will reshape the 235i GC to the same style as the 240?
I say not, the coupé sits on a shortened 3/4 series chassis, the others in the range don't and have their own, shared chassis. Very little difference in the interior layout though. Family friends have a GC and love it.
Any review planned of the g42 220d?
Surely the upgrade would be the 228ti ? Would love that
Prices for a 230i and an M240i are very similar, the only issue in Italy is the extra-tax you pay every year if the engine power is more than 250hp. That's what makes an M240i very expensive and less affordable here..
I ordered a 230i and the official BMW dealer suggested not picking the head-up display. Because of the chip shortage he could not estimate a sure delivery date. In the end, I decided not to pick that optional. Nevertheless, I have to wait at least 6 months.
Out of curiosity, what would you expect to pay each year in tax on the 240 & 230 in Italy? I remember reading an article about the Alpha Romeo Quadrifoglio costing around €6K per year!
@@BennyStLeger It's true. Consider that you pay the normal property tax until 185Kw. Then you add an extra 20 Euros for every Kw. The property tax for a 240i is around 2.300 Euros per year, 650 Euros for a 230i. Furthermore, you must consider all the extra costs related to insurance, maintenance, etc. How much is the property tax in your Country?
@@xoldan wow; that’s crazy! And your cost of fuel is really high in Europe too. What is your current fuel price for 98 Unleaded? Here it’s around A$2 per litre or about €1.35 per litre. As for car tax, we pay around A$800 per year (about €530) for Registration & Accident Levy (covers all medical costs in the event of an accident) and that’s all. We then have to pay our own insurance to cover damage to our car or others in the event of an accident, which would be around A$1.5K - $2K on a new M240i.
It's something like 1,7 € per litre just beacuase the Government cut some taxes on it (until july), otherwise it would be 2-2,2 per litre.
In Italy insurance cost is very variable. It depends on many factors (the age of the driver, previous accidents, the area of the Country you live in, etc.). Where I live (north of Italy), it's around 2.000 € per year (all inclusive) for a 230i. I don't know insurance costs for a 240i, I never asked for a quotation once I had found out how much the property tax would have been
@@xoldan wow; everything is even more expensive in Europe! Our Government also reduced the tax on petrol otherwise it would be around A$2.50.
Just coming up on 1000 miles in my M240i. It is a bloody awesome vehicle, the interior is a truly lovely place to be. Myself, my wife and at least twelvety other folk love the look as well, from every angle. So there, all you naysayers....😋😋😋😋😋 Long live progress! 😬😂
The apparent difference in stance between this and M240i could be explained by the wheel arch extensions on the pro pack?
Yes and no; they do add a wee bit of visual width, however the 240 does sit higher than the 4cylinder variants. I collected my 240 straight from the showroom, where it was parked adjacent to a 220i, the ride height difference was noticeable. Measuring mine, approx 168 mm from floor to bottom of side skirt, approx 46mm from bottom of arch to top of front tyre. I don't have the adaptive dampers, btw.
Should have made a 120i , test drove a 118i and liked it but the fuel consumption was awful for a 1.5 engine.
A beautiful car 🚗
The only one without Horror tax in Austria. I ordered the basic 220i. 240 is 5000 Euro tax a year and when buying it the co2 penalty is ….. it’s not worth it. Is it the same in the uk?
Is it quick enough as daily
Hi
I'm trying to configure 220i in a way that you have it and can't make it under 42k
Did pricewent up 7k , i'm doing something wrong, or you're bs'ing us?
This car is the best value for money. Just tuning will get the same driving as a 330i.
Wonder if they are planning an i2?
Longer doors of coupes make entry/exit more difficult in car parks and where space is restricted 🤷♂️
Open windows as the doors are frameless and should get a bit easier. Hold the close button on the fob to shut windows from outside.
@@themotorsportarchives Genius tip! :) Seriously. I have a new M240 and been struggling with the doors. Thanks.
220i ecu chiptuned?
my suggestion trade it in for an i4 M50 or its smaller eDrive40 RWD version which is the best car ever made...
A stage 1 tune can do this car really good. Will give it 265hp and 410nm. Lot better.
230i the one to have I’m thinking.
I had a F22 230i and really enjoyed it. For back roads it was actually more useable than the M240i I moved to. I didn’t upgrade for the speed but mainly the character and sound of the engine. 230i was also far worse for depreciation but it’s hard to compare as covid has thrown out any consistency. There’s no bad choice but the M240i was a cut a above the others in the previous generation. I suspect it’s the same way with the new car.
Just get a 220i and chiptune it.
Actually the M235i is a better alternative as a daily, it’s faster on the road more practical cuz 4 doors and it’s a little more exciting
230i has the same list price as a F40 M135i, what would you choose?
For pure performance this makes the m135i seem like better value 🤔
That’s what I’ve just ordered anyway 😂
Depends if your that fussed over power or RWD. I'd be 50/50 over the two.
I think the 230i would be more fun to drive but the m135i better point and shoot
Joe BMW!!!
Best option for a 220i… the B58 option 😂.
Just not so sure on that rear end!
But perhaps in the flesh its not so bad?
They look perfectly awesome in person. There are body lines that help the rear lights flow with the design that images don't convey.
I am hugely biased btw.... spend many, many moments of standing and admiring mine when parked at home....😬
I like all, not so for the color
Will this feel sluggish compared to a mk7 GTI?
Yes in terms of straight line performance 100%
A lot more than extra £30 a month for the m240i compared to the 230i, closer to £100, also with that reasoning why wouldn’t you just get an M2 if money was no object? As that is a much better car than the 240i.
I really like the style but they should’ve put those L type taillights on it.. cuz this is to small that don’t do the back justice imo
M240i does not come with adaptive suspension. That is a £500 extra
I ordered a 230i a couple of weeks ago, and I'm absolutely desperate for a UK review.
How do you think it would hold up placed between the 220i and 240i? I'm worried I'll always be dreaming of that 240i, but 10k more, and the extra fuel I can't justify it.
you'll find it more than enough buddy. I have a 330i and it's certainly more than enough for the Malaysian roads here, the only thing I miss from the M340i is the glorious B58 inline-6. but other than that, performance and all the 330i is brilliant. just like you i couldn't justify the extra 15k + fuel for the M340i.
You could be saving a fair bit on insurance too.
@@zxlrxsyxd thats the thing, I had an M140i a year or so ago and just worried the B48 will feel a bit dull but fingers crossed its decent.
@@artgreen6915 insurance has always been cheap for me, I think I won the postcode lottery 😂 my old M140i cos me about £400 to insure.
I have a 2018 125i, same B48 engine. I would imagine the performance will be similar to the 230i.
The car is more then quick enough for every day driving. 0-60mph in 6 seconds flat or under.
I recently went up to liverpool from London (200miles) with a mix of eco mode and heavy foot mode and got 46mpg average consumption.
Insurance was almost half the price compared to its big brother m140.
Only downside of getting a 230i is every time you see an m240i it feels like you have the smaller package.... literally.
Is £35k for new good value? wow I’m soo out of touch. How much is a Golf R new?
£40k
👏👏👏💪
Looks nice but, sorry, I'm simply not a fan of fourpots in Beemers...
I can’t help thinking the rear looks like a Korean car.
Lovely car but spending over 10 k€ on a petrol car doesn't make any sense here in Europe currently. Shame really.
Hey Joe, i have a Mfull 220i from 09/2022 brooklyn grou but they did not give me the M stipe seat belts, Why ?..I payed 55K in euros last year. Greets from Flanders/Ypres/Belgium. Ps Like your videos they are so cool and you to! ;-) Thx Abdel
Can BMW just make a 1 Series based off this car's platform? The current FWD 1 Series sucks lol
I think the 220i with iDrive8 is cooler
BMW have just hiked the prices up on these and probably shot themselves in the foot because now my ideal spec is over the magic 40Ktax barrier which makes it less attractive.
why are they badging the fenders or anywhere on the "outside" if it's just "M cosmetic trim"?? I'm getting so tired of that marketing crap by BMW
Imagine an M2 estate car 👍🇦🇺
For a 2.0 these are massively under tuned.
Really don’t like back of these new shape 2 series, think they’ve completely ruined them
The pitty is that this model got problems with moisture in the headlights. Poor quality
I've got a very rare Z4M coupe, I love that thing. Modern BMWs though, bore me to tears these days, ugly designs, stupid grills, other brands are doing it better unfortunately
Great video review of an underwhelming auto, meh looks, servicing expensive, expected severe depreciation. 😀
MANUAL PLEASE :)
Why BMW dropped it
Is it fun and joy or is it just a serious boring car
There’s no situation in which a diesel bmw is better than a petrol one I’m sorry. There’s a reason they don’t make M cars as diesels
Lol
Alpina D4/D3
Saw one of these drive past me, that rear end looks horrible
Great video again! I have a 2017 M240i and found your channel by watching your M240i/M2 comparison video. How about comparing the old and new M240i’s, to see how far BMW have moved various aspects of the model forwards or backwards.
@@rnagle8287 the 2017 m240i are beasts great car
220i with tune = 230i
Still not liking the exterior design, and I am not sure this color helps the overall look
With all due respect, You have to be an absolute stingy ... to be able to get 60 miles/gallon. You'd barely be touching the gaspedal. I've owned a 320d. 45 is best You can do longterm with city and freeway/highway mix. Still pretty good, though.
I assume you are an American (from some of the terms you use), don't forget that a UK gallon is larger than a US gallon, so we will have higher mpg figures, when we quote mpg.
@@kevincockburn7805 hi Kevin, You assume wrong, I'm a Hungarian :) and I've used the Convertible app to convert L/100km metric that I've seen in my car to miles per UK gallon. So figures are accurate. 😁
#649
Toyota brz with a BMW badge 😥🤮
this is just for people who want hollow flex with the badge
Mega ugly Backlights
BMW's profit margin has increased significantly in the last few years. If you want to continue lining their pockets and riding on the "everything's getting more expensive" bandwagon, keep buying these new overpriced cars!
Will do, thanks for the advice 👌
@@JoeAchilles1 you don't buy them, you get them given to you. Not really the same is it.