Will Your Firearm Work at Contact Distance?
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Roy demonstrates what types of firearms will work when pressed up against a target, and which won't.
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Well, we know it's an authentic Harrell video because it includes rain.
There's a garden hose and a pump behind the camera to give you "Paul Harrell feeling". :D
True, watched so many of his when it’s pouring rain or snowing and Paul was seemly oblivious. Very dedicated guy.
And it's cold enough to see Mr. Roy's breath. Dedication to his craft!
If it ain't raining, it ain't training.
@@tommylitchfield3450Yup, and he's still standing there in a short-sleeve shirt -props to Roy 💪😎, and big love to Paul... 🤞😖
This is Roy passing the rain-test.
I gotta admire Roy's dedication to practical testing of firearms against real-world questions. And his willingness to get out in the weather to do it.
If you live in the PNW, during the winter you either get out in the weather to do things or you get nothing done :P
Agreed. He seems to have the same dedication as Paul and I think that's what's gonna keep the channel going. Still praying for Paul's recovery and family
If you have to honor Paul's legacy and sheer commitment, nothing short of that will do.
And a youtuber, who shall remain nameless, who is a moron, who was complaining about him taking over the channel can simply go "F" himself.
Had to like this comment to get it past 666 likes.
When roy fired that magnun without flinch or kick, i instantly gained respect for that man
When he shot the magnums like it was just another day at the office, I realized that Roy isn't a guy to be trifled with.
Agreed. He might be the most nonchalant dude shooting on YT. Nothing phased him. 😅 I bet he hasn't blinked while shooting since he was a child.
Shout out to Roy for stepping up and being out in the rain to keep this channel going. We are more than grateful
Great job Roy, I hope Paul is comfortable and knows that he has a lot of people pulling for him!
Roy isn't wet behind the ears,
but he's wet behind the ears.
😆
He's getting into a groove and developing his own style.
@@marcohandy67yessir
@@marcohandy67 I think it was a joke about the rain.....
He needs to work on his Shatneresque speech impediment.
@@slickydicky
YOU GOT IT! 👍🏻
As a woman I appreciate this demonstration. It makes a good case for carrying a revolver. Paul has said many times to think about circumstances you might need to use a firearm and realistically point blank contact defense is something every woman should consider.
One thing I'm wondering is how hard do you have to press to push the firearm out of battery? At least for some of them it looked like he had to lean into it pretty hard. If it's point blank against, say, an inch or two of soft clothes and skin or an inch or two of fur is that enough to risk out of battery?
@@Nipah.Auauau good question. I would say yes even though you are correct he seemed to press into some of them kinda hard, but think about if a person/animal is charging you at contact distance,they going to be moving fast and with harmful intentions and most likely going to be throwing there weight into you and your most likely going to pull your pistol and stick it into them or they will run into your muzzle probably before they even realize you have a gun(if it's a person) up close fights are usually fast and violent and one of you is most likely going to be throwing your entire weight into the other if not both of you slamming into each other kinda like sumo wrestler style lol. Of course every situation is different but your likely going to be crashing into one another one way or the other plus your going to be gripping your weapon pretty tightly most likely with tons of adrenaline and a death grip, maybe literally 😮 not to mention you may be falling or your weapon may be twisted in a odd angle and that could increase/ Change the contact surface area. In sort surprise attacks at point blank range are fast and violent and will probably have a winner in less then 10 seconds, if you've ever been in a fight they usually turn into wrestling matches/on the ground and a true fight is usually over very very quickly, a true 30 second fight is very very long and tiring and even the winner will probably be huffing and puffing from physical exertion and or a huge surge of adrenaline
No woman ever responds "as a woman".......
@@ninobrown909your commentary lacks intellect.
@@ninobrown909tell me you never talk to women without telling me you never talk to women.
Short, crisp, to the point, Roy is doing great.
Agreed 👍
I wholeheartedly agree
Yessir
The dedication of Team Harrell is awesome. Rain? They film. Cold? They film. End of the world? Yeah, I'm going to bet they'll film right through.
As a side note: Paul, wishing the best. Hope to see ya again soon.
Whether it’s Paul or whether it’s Roy, a Harrell video should have a 92FS.
Yes! I was waiting for it!!
This is a great video, and it brings up a valid point. I recently sold a .44 Mag revolver. I didn’t get a whole lot for it because there isn’t a huge market for them at the moment. What surprised me was the buyer said everyone is using 10MM auto loaders, to which I responded, “They are definitely awesome, until you accidentally eject the mag during an adrenaline dump trying to shoot a bear or your auto loader goes out of battery.”
Pros and cons to both platforms.
I found the Paul interview by accident this morning, always good to see and hear from him.
Where can I find it?
@@martino7263attorney Tom Grieve’s channel
Tom grieve channel
@@blades9777 just watched it. Thanks.
Thanks for mentioning this-- I might have missed it otherwise
There's a trick you can do with the 1911. With the safety on, place the firearm against the target, hold the trigger down, and the release the safety. It will fire before going out of battery. Obviously that's not practical when you've got a bear or mountain lion in your face but it does work.
True, but test it in a safe environment first. Had a burr in the safety divit on the slide. The safety hung up on that when the slide was in contact with target.
Additionally, if you remain in contact, the slide will almost certainly not return to battery. Furthermore, the likelihood of a feed issue is drastically worse than normal.
Expect to take an administrative action immediately to return weapon to a functional state.
(OP is 100% correct, just providing additional info)
It seems very practical when you're beeing eaten by a bear🤔🐻😂
Wouldn't solve the problem of additional shots either.
Very true. I am not sure, however, if the same is true for other guns with an external safety. Also, on mine I found that I need to press the trigger hard to make this workaround work. If I just press the trigger lightly to just break, the gun will go out of battery as soon I depress the thumb safety. So it’s true: “know your firearm “.
@@LibertysetsquareJack one versus zero makes all the difference. the old-school 1911 can do this for you when the plastic upstarts cannot 😎
I see Paul Harrell I click
Same
As it should be! 😎
Based
Pretty much same tho
Facts
Roy is a great presenter...definitely keep going, the world needs you.
It was awesome meeting Paul on Tuesday morning and listening to his life stories. All the best to a full recovery.
He's recovering?!
@@MrRedeyedJediAs much as I would wish so, I don't think it is realistic.
A 65 year old woman (according to another commenter) made a full recovery, so it's hardly impossible. I really don't know enough about what Paul has.
@@Cannibal_Corpse666 Yes, it's EXTREMELY unlikely that someone will indeed recover from it. It's not impossible, giving him our hopes, and if you're into the sort of thing, our prayers as wel. Still, as unfortunate as it may be, Paul can't be here with us forever. The time will come for all of us.
@@Orangnus Paul has stage 4, which has a 1% 5 year rate and the average patient makes it about a year. Pancreatic cancer survival rates have went from 4% in 1999 to 12% today but most of that is from catchin and dealing with it early. Of course its all just numbers out of a hat... he could be in the 1% that survives, realistically he should enjoy every minute for what he can while he can though. It seems he enjoyed the meet and greet from what I have seen online.
I appreciate your continuation of the channel
❤Paul H, you are a LEGEND! 🇺🇸
This content is tremendously important!!! Thank you 🙏🏼
Roy Harrell,
Doing good bro! Keep up the great work and we are covering your six!
BTW, stay strong in these difficult times, and please pass our greetings and prayers to Paul, his family, and the crew!❤❤🙏🙏🙏
@@stephencolley334Yup... ^THIS^
I'm embarrassed that I did not know this! Thank you for such valuable info! Praying ✝️for Paul
Shooting in the rain ...I would expect nothing less from the Harrel brothers. Great content as always
👍Thanks for the rainy day effort 🌧️
Contact distance and the ability to be fired from inside a large, side coat pocket is where snub nose revolvers shine
☀️😎
"welcome to the rain-ge"
Nice
If it ain't raining, it ain't training.
The 1911's safety locks into the slide. This allows you to be in contact with the object you intend to shoot. You press the 1911 into your target with the safety on while applying a pull on the trigger, as soon as you disengage the safety with the pressure applied elsewhere the 1911 will fire. If the safety does not lock into the slide then you may be compromised in point blank distance...
they should do a video on this
Everyone, test this technique with your equipment first. Just in case there is a tiny little burr in the safety divit which locks the safety into the slide when in contact. Which, best case scenario, will make you feel kinda dumb. Personal experience, thought I'd share.
Does it ever stop raining there? LOL
Once, one time in summer, but that's about it.
Oregon State summer.
Best 20 minutes of the year.
Right before "smoke season" so they can torch off a BIG one... wildfire that is.
Only one day a year, - so they can take picture post card photos.
@@donhoward3770 And those photos are always of Multnomah Falls, Grand Coulee Dam, and the Columbia River.
6:16 Massad Ayoob meowed in the woods
My prayers go out to Paul, hope he is feeling better God Willing 🙏 thanks for keeping the channel going Roy! You Rock! Tell Paul we love him!
Yup... ^THIS^
Another excellent video Roy! I learned something new today. Bless you, Paul, and your entire family! Have a safe day and I’m really happy you kept Paul’s opening to your show. It’s a family thing! 👍🏻🙏🏼🇺🇸
WOW! This is an aspect of firearm function that I had never even considered before. Looks like another big plus on the revolver side of the Eternal Debate. Great video!
Thanks, Roy! Lots of folks praying for Paul and happy you’re here.
Thanks for taking the torch Roy!
Amen to that.
Roy's doing a fine job of filling those big-old boots, huh? 💪😎
Thanks Roy and Paul, may you all be blessed.
I was sure I'd see a Beretta in the mix!, we might need a second video including 92 series and the PX4..
To Roy and "The Crew", Thank you, and no, I won't try this at home. I'm don't like getting drenched.
I already used a light, now I'll insist on it. Great demonstration.
Roy is becoming his own Paul Harrell. Keep up the great work.
All we know it, he’s not Paul Harrell, but he is Paul Harrell’s American brother!
Now that is something I would not have thought of telling new gun owners. Definitely knowledge worth having.
For sure!
Roy, thank you so much for continuing to put out the quality content that Paul once made. God bless you and Paul.
Roy, that is great dedication in wet weather.
Thank you for the video. Excellent information
Massive respect for you Roy, keep up the good work
All prayers for Paul towards his recovery! 🤞🏻
Yup... ^THIS^
I see Roy Harrell I click
Doing a great job Roy👍
You made some really good points about zero range encounters.
Thanks.
This is the main reason I prefer WMLs that extend past the front of the firearm. The light makes contact with the target and keeps the firearm from going out of battery.
👆 This!
Roy was doing a little fudd busting this video.
- Advantage of a WML is some instances
- Optic on his carry gun
- AND dropping that slide on a 1911
Edit - forgot to put the optic comment in
@pmrich7035
Dropping a slide on a 1911 is not a fudd myth. It's true that with some 1911s you can damage the internals. Granted, these are typically higher end 1911 with finely tuned sears. This has been talked about by several high end 1911 makers like Wilson Combat.
I had never considered this point with weapon lights. Good info
Saw a video of an officer breaking a car window with their mounted light, both light and pistol functioned perfectly afterward. Yeah seems it's a good idea.
If you ever take a weapon retention or a force on force training class you quickly realize how things can go sideways in a hurry. I would rather have and not need than need and not have. Options are good. As they say variety is the spice of life 🤣
This was a good lesson for us all... Test something if you're not sure about something. I tested my carry gun while the video was still playing. Thanks, Mr. Roy, for the information AND for standing in the cold and wet without a Jacket of Endless Pockets to keep you sorta warm and dry. It would be awesome if someone could team up with a hunting coat maker and make a Paul Harrell Signature Model to go along with the (sold out!) fundraiser t-shirts. A LOT of people would buy one. I can't help but think "you be the judge" every time I wear my ancient waxed cotton Jacket of Endless Pockets. Tell Paul we love you guys!
Let’s go Roy!
Threaded barrel pistols don't go out of battery when pressed against a target.
They still will if the mass "wraps around" the muzzle and makes contact with the slide. Ditto for weapon lights and such: all these types of things do is provide a little extra distance between the slide and the contacting body; they don't eliminate the mechanical issue in itself of the pistol being out of battery with the slide pushed back.
Again, the larger and more enveloping the mass making contact, the bigger standoff you'd need. So against a hard, essentially flat surface, yes, a weapon light or barrel extension will probably keep the pistol from being pushed out of battery; but if the body being contacted is very large and enveloping, such as a large animal, a fat man, or even a lean man wearing bulky and heavy clothing, there is still a very high likelihood that contact with the slide will be made.
On a similar note, tests such as what Roy conducted premise a near 90° angle between the bore axis and the contacting body, and a non-moving body and/or shooter's hand, which is where some sort of standoff will really make a difference. In an actual fight, however, the angle may be very oblique, and both the target and shooter are likely to be in motion, both of which mean the slide is very likely to catch or have pressure put on it, regardless if the muzzle area has a barrel extension or weapon light or other sort of stand off.
@@LibertysetsquareJack I'll remember that if I have to shoot a jello mold
@@GrohteskIf animal and human bodies were as jello then pushing out of battery wouldn't be as much of a factor, because the mass density would be so much less. In other words, it's because we **are not** talking about jello moulds attacking us that the factors I mentioned in the first reply are real potentials for causing the pistol to go out of battery.
@@LibertysetsquareJack You have a cognitive disability don't you?
Bad day to be the 'new and improved fleece backstop'!
all new and improved high tech fleece bullet stop. you were close though
I think your videos are getting smoother. Keep up the good work.
Godspeed Paul, thanks for uploading Roy!
Question?
Will the 1911 go off if you have the trigger pulled back while switching off the safety?
Love the video.
Paul Harrell is the only name that scares Chuck Norris!
Chuck Norris addresses Paul Harrell as “sir”.
@@danielaramburo7648"Sir" with the capital "S"...
Chuck Norris checks under his bed for Paul Harrell.
They seem a very similar sort of person irl
Chuck Norris wears a Paul Harrell T-shirt.
Excellent topic Roy. One I didn't even know I should be thinking about. Thanks.
Roy, you are a trooper making videos in the rain!
New product opportunity: small metal standoff that mounts where the weapon light goes.
Like the ones they sell at HKParts for HKs.
yeah....a bayonet
You mean a weapon light? It is a metal standoff that also illuminates things.
There has been a few different ones over the years since rails became the norm on handguns. Most have failed to become commonly used.
@@JBoVT13 if you do things right, you can have both.
Just like Paul. Rain snow sleet The Show must Go on. Awesome channel guy's
Roy is getting more and more polished with every video. Good work Roy 😊
Outstanding video!!
There was a company I remember made a product that went on the pikky rail under the frame which was a front abuttment plate with "shark teeth" on it to ensure the weapon didn't slip off at point-nonce.
The best part of the day: a new Paul Harrell video!
That's definitely some useful info! Thanks, Roy & Crew.
Paul, we're still pulling for you.
Great video! Praying for Paul.
Thank you, Roy. You and "The Crew" are doing a great job.
Getting more comfortable in front of the camera I see, keep up the good work gentlemen!
🇺🇸
Good job Roy. Thank you.
I'm really impressed with how quickly and well Roy have gotten into the role of presenting and doing a great job!
His comfort level in front of the camera is improving. It can't be easy, even if he was used to presenting before, knowing that there could be a million or more people watching him.
I'm wearing the same Paul Harrell fundraiser shirt. Pretty good quality!
Thanks for carrying on with the work Paul started. Roy, you are already looking more comfortable in front of the camera! Great job!
Excellent video, Roy. Thank you for your time.
Good stuff my man. Praying for Paul and wishing you all the very best 🙂
Thanks Roy. Enjoyed the content very much! You are doing a great job sir.
So it seems like if you want ultimate reliability at contact distance, then you should use a revolver.
I've been in a debate with myself over this for several months now. Been thinking of switching to a revolver instead of my auto loader EDC. This is one reason I am thinking about because of the most shootings are three feet or less and three seconds and three shots. The hold back to me is low capacity six rounds. And the what if factor, because there is no way of ever knowing what is going to happen. Thanks Roy,and I saw the interview with Paul. It was great to see and hear him again. Paul seemed to still have his sense of humor and humility. He is truly the legend!
Or just hold the slide and push it back into battery. I know that sounds sketchy as hell, but it won’t rip your hand off. You will have to manually cycle the action to Fire next round.
There are now many options (including some light weight options) for 7 and 8 shot .357s. That’s a pretty daggone good compromise.
As another person has pointed out, you can find bigger capacity nowadays, some are even 12 shot
All true,but when you go with 7-8 rounds the cylinder is wider and concealability is less.
There are several small weapon lights and other small attachments that go on the rail that could act as a stand off to keep everything in battery. I'd probably look into those first before making the plunge.
Thanks Roy for carrying on with this channel. Having the Harrell DNA and methodology going forward is enough to keep me watching.
Was wondering when you were gonna get ur hands dirty Ron! Lol the meat target with the new and improved fleece bullet stop!!! But you always gotta say the line!
Great video Roy, but I have to wonder why you didn't also test a Beretta M-9 (92-FS)? Just a thought. I like your shirt. Best regards. R, Steve
Well, I don't currently have one and Paul's was not available.
I learned something today thank you Roy.
This was the best video with Roy so far. This is true Harrell style. Great tests!
Great video, Roy. Thanks for posting 👍
Thank you Roy for giving the people what they want with the 44 magnum!
A very informative video for sure!
Did anybody else notice the family resemblance between Roy and Paul? I noticed it especially in Roy’s mannerisms.
Roy, it's alright man, you don't have to compare yourself to Paul. You'll have your own style and thats okay, we're here for both of you. If we didn't trust Paul, we wouldn't have stayed with the channel. I like your style, a little more short, sweet, and to the point.
I appreciate that
I hope to continue seeing these videos from Roy featuring the legendary meat targets. Cheers Roy, these recent videos have been solid💪
I am happy to see Roy posting. He is getting more comfortable with every video.
Great video, Roy. Keep them coming.
Also, it was a blast to meet you Sunday afternoon. It is obvious that you know and care a great deal about the subject of firearms.
Pass my best along to paul.
Bryce c.
My WML TLR/7 extends beyond the barrel, which mitigates the slide making contact.
The S&W 640Pro (bug) isn't affected by contact either.
this was fascinating and a far cry from what you see in the movies
also really appreciated the team hitting the range in that drizzle - especially when all the weapons would need a bit of extra maintenance from being out in the rain
Hmm, I wonder if my PX4 has that problem.
Update: PX4 still works at contact distance. It will fire with the muzzle pressed against something.
You actually have to move the slide back on it's own.
I guess that rotary action has has it's advantages.
Love the channel, keep them coming. God Bless, love u Paul
Hey Roy,
Should like to hear sometime on your opin on a dream and perfect holster.
For open say Range Carry and Concealed.
Current topics in modern Engineering are Modularity, Ergonomics and Customer Feedback (statistical).
Noticed a few options lacking on modern holsters such as retention straps, versatility for accessories, spare mag. pouch(es), removal w/out belt wear.
Taking up a Leather Working Hobby.
Good job, interesting topic, Roy. That said, I sure miss Paul.
Whatever else I'm carrying, I usually have my S&W M&P Bodyguard .38 in a handy pocket. It's nice to be able to empty it without even taking it out of my pocket.
Good stuff Roy👍🏻
Too bad you couldn't test the Springfield Armory XD9/XD45. It's supposed to function in body contact.
I think there was another, less common, pistol with a build in stand-off nub on the lower frame for just such an eventuality but its name eludes me.
PH is the true American badass 💪
Great video! Maybe someone already pointed this out about the 1911-but I didn't see it. If you carry the 1911 cocked and locked it will fire when the barrel is held against an object (thanks JMB!)- simply hold the trigger and release the thumb safety 👍
Howdy howdy from Tucson! Rain? Never heard of her 😂😂
Thank you for another great video Roy. Praying for your brother Paul. Hope you get a miracle. Thanks for taking over and trying to keep the channel going information is valuable.😊
Thank you Roy for demonstrating that revolvers don’t suck!