Reminds me of a Auto Dealership I worked at in the late 70's. We received a new Chevy Citation. It was on the top of a Auto Carrier. The Driver had went under a low overpass and the Citation had a crunched roof. The body shop fixed it, sorta...they couldn't figure out or care to remove the headliner. They used a lot of Bondo. A lot ! Car was Black. Customer purchased the car, and the Bondo started to crack. So he had Pink cracks in his black roof. It was " fixed " a couple of times. Then the Dealership went bankrupt. 3 years later new people bought the Franchise. Black Citation come to that Dealership. The now Service Manager was the Auto Body Manager from the now defunct Dealership. He lied his Patoot off to the Wrecked Citation customer. I told the Wrecked Citation owner I knew the real story and would talk to his Lawyer etc. He got a full refund, I was " laid-off " but I found a better more paying position. I just couldn't work for a company like that. That Dealership only lasted 3 years due to their sharp business practices in my opinion.
A dealership tried to do that to me here in Utah. I had ordered it and it was taking way longer than expected to get here than it was supposed to. After checking in occasionally one guy slipped up and said something about an accident. Turns out it was being delivered three months ago but was t boned on the way to the dealer and they were trying to hurry and get fixed without telling me.
- They didn't mention whether it was purchased as new, used, or a demo. It was definitely used as a demo if it had been at an RV show. - If it is suggested to get a carfax report on a vehicle, it must be assumed that it is not new. New vehicles shouldn't have any sort of history to report. Hence if something does come up on a carfax report, it shouldn't be considered a new vehicle. - These guys are playing with words. He stated that the buyer was told that it was "scraped and stuffed". Well, that's an accident, any way you look at it. You can't say that it's fraud and that the accident was disclosed if the buyer was literally told that there was damage. An accident could be a scratch from a shopping cart, or getting hit by a train, one is most likely definitely more severe, but legally they can both be considered accidents. - I do completely agree with the Wingman that it's a good idea to have an inspection done by a professional with a high knowledge of RV's. Even if it's brand new and has never had any damage, most of them, at high and low dollar levels, are somewhat low production vehicles where there can be a lot of variances in the construction. These aren't like some of the popular cars where 100's of thousands are produced and most things have been perfected and construction is uniform. A quality inspection can expose some issues that the manufacturer or dealer are more likely to repair before you buy it, rather than after they already have your money.
I am an rv owner, having owned six units in the past 40 years. I currently own my second fifth wheel which is now seven years old and have had good service out of all of them. However I will say that with all of the bad news surrounding the industry now I would be afraid to buy any new rv now. I will say that I will never buy a new one again. There are a couple of brands that I might make an exception for but unlikely.
What a story! Who checks CarFax on a new RV!.. Get that Inspection. Dealers drag their Dog RV’s to the shows just to clear inventory and pressure you to make the deal! Most of the Motorhomes coming out of Indiana are rife with incompetence that everybody is aware of. Fix yourself RV Manufacturers!
That accident likely had a police response and likely a police report. If you can figured out what jurisdiction, getting photos and a police report would be interesting.
Buyer’s responsibility, RV Wingman? Seriously? Dealer damn well should have fully disclosed damage, and provided a CarFax. Accident not manufacturer’s fault, unless there was a mechanical defect.
A Carfax report will only disclose self-reported insurance claims. If the manufacturer had repaired the coach out of pocket it would not show up on a Carfax report. Most states require disclosure of material facts such as collision damage prior to a sale.
At that much $$$$$. Yes the Dealer should have Taken the correct steps in having that motorhome fixed the right Way not the easy way out Bad dealer shitty.
It's a million dollar coach. I would guess a Newmar Essex or King Aire, Entegra Cornerstone, or American Coach Eagle. I said GUESS. This is pure FRAUD on BOTH the dealer and manufacturer. I hope you can report back on the outcome. Thanks.
Big companies buy out smaller quality companies, and shareholder profits are the only thing that matters. Employees are told to speed up the building process, and the result is bad or unsafe buid quality, plain and simple.
Worked in RV tech for 21 years. Saw lots for things! My boss would take a ink pin draws onthe corners of a windows. And charge the factories on reglass and paint! All he did was paint remover and big pay day 😅😅😅😅
Just a casual observation, but why is the RV industry so morally corrupt across the board? Ever ask that question? What exactly is it? Is there something in the water in northern Indiana? You may laugh at that, but I have to say every time I travel through that area, and stop for this or that, I see things and experience things that give me a creepy feeling. The last time I went about 2 years ago, to buy a replacement fridge for the RV from a local supply shop. I wish I could have recorded the entire trip. The whole trip was like we were in the Twilight Zone, to the point we're looking at each other and asking ourselves what the hell is going on? The includes the hotel experience, McDonalds morning coffee...every interaction with people was out-of-this-world creepy. There is something going on there, not sure what it is...but it's not normal. So there's that...
Of course you know if's on the dealer and manufacturer. Hopefully litigation will make that clear. Yeah, buy your RV after a Carfax and a private inspection!
It's a clear case of fraud, and fraud is one of the grounds that enables you to get punitive damages (in addition to compensatory damages). The amount of punitives is in the discretion of the jury. (If *_I_* were on the jury, the amount that I would award would be _substantial!_ 💰 😀 )
Hey, wing man. Maybe you can explain on a show sometime. How would a car fax Show a factory repair because it goes through an insurance, doesn't it ???
Another example of why we should get a good inspection before taking ownership. New or used - get a good inspection, not a $40 one.
I totally believe this story!!! Honesty has gone out the window!!! Some of us older folks have raised some idiots. It is a sad state of affairs !! 😬
Looks like the “lemon” lawyer is wearing the right shirt! 😂😂😂😂
That's funny, I don't care who you are! 😂😂😂
Yes there should be disclosure. Unbelievable what are these Manufactures doing! Unbelievable, gald it work out for the people.
Reminds me of a Auto Dealership I worked at in the late 70's. We received a new Chevy Citation. It was on the top of a Auto Carrier. The Driver had went under a low overpass and the Citation had a crunched roof. The body shop fixed it, sorta...they couldn't figure out or care to remove the headliner. They used a lot of Bondo. A lot ! Car was Black. Customer purchased the car, and the Bondo started to crack. So he had Pink cracks in his black roof. It was " fixed " a couple of times. Then the Dealership went bankrupt. 3 years later new people bought the Franchise. Black Citation come to that Dealership. The now Service Manager was the Auto Body Manager from the now defunct Dealership. He lied his Patoot off to the Wrecked Citation customer. I told the Wrecked Citation owner I knew the real story and would talk to his Lawyer etc. He got a full refund, I was " laid-off " but I found a better more paying position. I just couldn't work for a company like that. That Dealership only lasted 3 years due to their sharp business practices in my opinion.
That is criminal fraud. And since they endangered the buyers lives. There should be some more charges added in.
Agree, although the filing of criminal charges would be for government prosecutors to decide.
This is appalling!! And unacceptable!!!
A dealership tried to do that to me here in Utah. I had ordered it and it was taking way longer than expected to get here than it was supposed to. After checking in occasionally one guy slipped up and said something about an accident. Turns out it was being delivered three months ago but was t boned on the way to the dealer and they were trying to hurry and get fixed without telling me.
- They didn't mention whether it was purchased as new, used, or a demo. It was definitely used as a demo if it had been at an RV show.
- If it is suggested to get a carfax report on a vehicle, it must be assumed that it is not new. New vehicles shouldn't have any sort of history to report. Hence if something does come up on a carfax report, it shouldn't be considered a new vehicle.
- These guys are playing with words. He stated that the buyer was told that it was "scraped and stuffed". Well, that's an accident, any way you look at it. You can't say that it's fraud and that the accident was disclosed if the buyer was literally told that there was damage. An accident could be a scratch from a shopping cart, or getting hit by a train, one is most likely definitely more severe, but legally they can both be considered accidents.
- I do completely agree with the Wingman that it's a good idea to have an inspection done by a professional with a high knowledge of RV's. Even if it's brand new and has never had any damage, most of them, at high and low dollar levels, are somewhat low production vehicles where there can be a lot of variances in the construction. These aren't like some of the popular cars where 100's of thousands are produced and most things have been perfected and construction is uniform. A quality inspection can expose some issues that the manufacturer or dealer are more likely to repair before you buy it, rather than after they already have your money.
I am an rv owner, having owned six units in the past 40 years. I currently own my second fifth wheel which is now seven years old and have had good service out of all of them. However I will say that with all of the bad news surrounding the industry now I would be afraid to buy any new rv now. I will say that I will never buy a new one again. There are a couple of brands that I might make an exception for but unlikely.
What a story! Who checks CarFax on a new RV!.. Get that Inspection. Dealers drag their Dog RV’s to the shows just to clear inventory and pressure you to make the deal!
Most of the Motorhomes coming out of Indiana are rife with incompetence that everybody is aware of.
Fix yourself RV Manufacturers!
Seems like they shouldn't even be able to sell it as new after it was in an accident.
That accident likely had a police response and likely a police report. If you can figured out what jurisdiction, getting photos and a police report would be interesting.
Stay out of Giant RV in Downey, ca. They charged me 10k and put in a smaller generator. Never refunded me!!Stay away!!!!
Buyer’s responsibility, RV Wingman? Seriously? Dealer damn well should have fully disclosed damage, and provided a CarFax. Accident not manufacturer’s fault, unless there was a mechanical defect.
But the *_coverup_* by the manufacturer is certainly the manufacturer's fault.
A Carfax report will only disclose self-reported insurance claims. If the manufacturer had repaired the coach out of pocket it would not show up on a Carfax report. Most states require disclosure of material facts such as collision damage prior to a sale.
At that much $$$$$. Yes the Dealer should have Taken the correct steps in having that motorhome fixed the right Way not the easy way out Bad dealer shitty.
Why wouldn't the factory just file an insurance claim rather than risk their reputation ????? Geezz
Insurance relapsed
They use a third party transport company that was responsible for the collision.
Did manufacturer have insurance and claim a total loss and resell it as new and never in a wreck?
The transporter company probably made an insurance claim and handed the check to the manufacturer. The RV manufacturer made money twice.
It's a million dollar coach. I would guess a Newmar Essex or King Aire, Entegra Cornerstone, or American Coach Eagle. I said GUESS. This is pure FRAUD on BOTH the dealer and manufacturer. I hope you can report back on the outcome. Thanks.
Big companies buy out smaller quality companies, and shareholder profits are the only thing that matters. Employees are told to speed up the building process, and the result is bad or unsafe buid quality, plain and simple.
Worked in RV tech for 21 years. Saw lots for things! My boss would take a ink pin draws onthe corners of a windows. And charge the factories on reglass and paint! All he did was paint remover and big pay day 😅😅😅😅
Just a casual observation, but why is the RV industry so morally corrupt across the board? Ever ask that question? What exactly is it? Is there something in the water in northern Indiana? You may laugh at that, but I have to say every time I travel through that area, and stop for this or that, I see things and experience things that give me a creepy feeling. The last time I went about 2 years ago, to buy a replacement fridge for the RV from a local supply shop. I wish I could have recorded the entire trip. The whole trip was like we were in the Twilight Zone, to the point we're looking at each other and asking ourselves what the hell is going on? The includes the hotel experience, McDonalds morning coffee...every interaction with people was out-of-this-world creepy. There is something going on there, not sure what it is...but it's not normal. So there's that...
Wow ! I guess I’m blessed for never stepping foot in Indiana! lol 😆
Most of the industry is traded on Wall Street ( Thor and Berkshire Hathaway) and only cares about profits.
Wow, I hope his client gets more then that. Tell Ron to please keep us updated.
That is ridiculous. How can they get away with that. By the way, do you have any information about the Motor Coach store in Florida?
Of course you know if's on the dealer and manufacturer. Hopefully litigation will make that clear. Yeah, buy your RV after a Carfax and a private inspection!
Typical RV FRAUD.
Fraud all the way.
Ray
American industry is shot, no pride in construction or warranty.
Would this kind of case qualify for triple damages suit?
It's a clear case of fraud, and fraud is one of the grounds that enables you to get punitive damages (in addition to compensatory damages). The amount of punitives is in the discretion of the jury. (If *_I_* were on the jury, the amount that I would award would be _substantial!_ 💰 😀 )
If you are unwilling to say the dealer and manufacture what use is the info........YEAH ZERO. Waste of time here
I can’t stand Ron I watch this to see you not him
Hey, wing man. Maybe you can explain on a show sometime. How would a car fax Show a factory repair because it goes through an insurance, doesn't it ???
The transporter company made a claim on its insurance policy. The insurance company then handed a check to the manufacturer for damages.
That couch never should have been put on the road
No couches were mentioned in this video.
That'll buff out.
We had to pay CW yes CW for inspection yeah right! Bedroom slide out leaked and toilet!!! Hubby repaired all right away!! Grrr!!!!😡
Wow.
Wingman your the best .......And love your shirt......
Be careful - Step on the wrong Major Corporations Feet and you’ll become a target ? My opinions . 🧐
Wish you professionals would stop using the term accident, it’s a collision, these things don’t just happen, some one is at fault, hence collision
That doesn't mean it wasn't an accident. Accidents happen. Unless it's _intentional,_ it's an accident.
Who cares what you call it!
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Name the factory and the dealer.