Guaranteed to Start - Toro Recycler Repair
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- I recently picked up two generators and a lawn mower for $100 each. According to the seller, they should run with a little TLC. The price was right and others were lined to buy the equipment behind me. The generators have been repaired without too much effort. Will I make out as well on the Toro Recycler Lawn Mower? Lets find out.
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Toro Mower Model: 20378
Kohler Engine Model: PH-XTX675-3013
Belt: Toro 117-1018
Deflector: Toro 115-8449
Discharge Chute: 115-8447
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Just come to Canada. Everybody has a Robertson square drive in their tool box. Green #1 for #6 machine screws, Red #2 for #8/#10 machine screws, and #3 black for larger Machine screws. Some people even have a #0 yellow one for really tiny square drive heads. The Robertson does not cam out very easily, it will hold the screw on bit while getting the screw into the hole. Long live the Canadian Robertson Screwdriver.
Some Americans would have seen Robertson drive screws before, it's on NEMA electrical sockets and switches throughout North America. They wouldn't know it was Robertson because for some reason they call it Square.
Robertson is the best 👍
First time I have seen is used on power equipment.
I have Robertson, JIS, MorTorx, Tri-Wing, whatever you want.
You should check where the Toro lawnmower was built. If it was from Canada, then there is your answer why you have Robertson on it.
When I use to work for a sawmill machinery supplier, we would have to supply a Robertson screwdriver set so maintenance personnel in the USA could get into the electrical boxes.
He repairs these machines with all the care and precision that a surgeon uses with human flesh.😂
@@lauriekittle9459 Glad you said this so I didn't have to. My first surgeon made a mistake which has caused me a life of suffering, and needed a corrective surgery done three days after I got out of the hospital so it didn't kill me.
@@P_RO_ One more reason to try to avoid anything to do with any surgeries, if at all possible.
I too was sceptical about that "start first time" claim, but it's both amusing and satisfying that it turned out to be true. It's also satisfying to see that all that mower needed was a little care and attention, and a few relatively cheap parts.
As Bob Cratchit said to his wife after tasting the Christmas dinner: "Another triumph!" 😆
I don't know what I find more engaging....watching the videos or reading the comment section afterwards....either way great stuff!
Yes!
There's no way I'm going to Canada
Man! Seeing that RadioShack logo on that multimeter brought back memories. I miss that store. It was my Toys-R-US.
Two of my favorite stores
I too have a Radio Shack multimeter, although a quite small one.
You can't win them all but you saved one from the scrap yard! Thanks Jim!
I love watching you repair small engines. I am like minded and do all my own work and some for neighbors.
I had a briggs' powered generic mower that I brought at the supermarket in the late 70's because it was cheap. At the time I was very poor and it was a major expense for me. It ran and ran for years. It started to look pretty ratty. I definitely got my money's worth out if it and I was wanting to buy a new, better mower. Problem was that old cheap mower still worked great. I left it outside all winter, multiple winters, deliberately trying to finish it off. It would still started first or second pull! I loaned it out, it came back burning oil like crazy. The neighbor had checked the oil and added a quart (I always checked it and kept it topped off)! So he over filled it by more than double. I pulled the excess off and it stopped smoking, ran like a top still! When I sold the house I left it behind. That dang mower ran for 18 years and was still cutting grass when I left it!
Hello James. learned from a factory HVAC mechanic never use sand paper on electronics it leaves silica on the terminals etc Use emery cloth instead
i spray fluid film on the underside of the deck to minimize rust
17:41 Good old Robertson Screws, the screw that made Canada Famous!! Best screws for cabinetry and woodworking.
That is where I normally see them.
RVs are full of them too.
All we use here 🇨🇦
Robertson screws are even used on electrical connections on electrical outlets
I’m must be getting old because I enjoy these videos
Na. it's just a guy thing that women never understand. Lol
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Yeah, my wife just gave me that look when she saw me watching this, lol.
You made me laugh in another of your videos James. When replacing the side discharge cover and you put up the text on the screen that said, "hammer is 3 feet away." It is nice to know that I am not the only one who has issues like this. lol
I just spent the past 1.5 days working on four walk-behind mowers (all very basic push models; no self-propelled which can add hours of repair time), managing to get only two of them back to perfect running condition. People don't understand how much labor you can put into what appears to be a very simple machine. Yesterday I was doing a wheel alignment, on a lawn mower! It sounds ridiculous, but when all four wheels are pointed in different directions, not only is it much harder to push, but it wears out the wheels much faster as well. And taking each wheel off, and then unbolting the adjuster, mounting it in a bench vise (you can't do this on the machine because the deck will bend), using a large crescent wrench to apply just the right amount of bend, remount everything on the mower, then lather rinse & repeat this entire process until all four wheels are done. That can take easily an hour or two right there.
I'll never get the hours back that I've spent messing about with small engines.
@@life_of_riley88 For sure! This is somewhat related, but just last night I met up with a former neighbor, whose mowers/trimmers always required my help to get running every spring. I kept preaching to only use alcohol-free (E-zero) fuel and most of his issues would disappear. Well here it is 15 years later, and NOW he finally gets it! From what I have seen this seems to be a regional thing, as many people on various forums don't seem to have fuel issues, but where I live you can have fuel go bad in a machine in only a few months. My personal time working on my own equipment has gone down by 75% by switching to E0 fuel, stored in tightly-sealed steel cans (vintage Jerry cans with good lid gaskets on them, that I use a pry bar to tighten). No joke, now I use fuel that is 2-3 years old, both straight gas and 2-cycle mix, and it still works perfectly. Word to the wise: if you have E0 fuel available in your area, try it and see for yourself.
Geeze...thought I was the only one to do that.😢
It’s more common than people think on their Kohler s. I had the same problem, so I took sandpaper to it, readjusted the gap in the coil and had no more issues.
I've had this mower since 2017. Got it free from a neighbors garage fire. rope was burned, plastic was melted slightly but worked. ran it on the oil that was in a fire for 6 years and changed it the first time in Sept 23. Was my main mower for 3-4 years. Everyone hates it but even when stored 2 years in storage. 1 pull it starts everytime.
Excellent video as always. 👍👍👍 I still have my 21" [late 80's] Toro Recycler with the Suzuki motor. The most amazing motor on anything I've ever owned. I'll never understand why they stopped making those. Again; great video/content James. God bless.
I love how you can hear an engine run for a couple of seconds and have a very good idea of it's health.
Best to use a little air hammer to remove that pulley, it works surprisingly well. Often when changing a belt, it’s less work to remove 3 of the 4 bolts holding the engine to the deck, pivot the engine to allow the new belt to be installed and pivot it back in position. It’s easier than fighting a rusted shaft.
speed up the flywheel cleaning by disconnecting the ground wire and run the engine while applying the brake slightly
As you said, a lot of little things added up to a good amount of money to fix correctly.
I have a number of sizes of square drive screws so I have had the relevant drive bits for decades.
Good video as usual.
It always makes me chuckle when Americans struggle with little things like Robertson screws. Common as dirt up here in Cannada. Miles easier than any slot or Phillips head.
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It looks like it is brand new!
You brought back memories. I had that exact same mower. What did it in was the transmission gears broke. Don’t ask how. But for new transmission was better spent toward new mower. That one didn’t owe me anything it was 12+ years old. The grass shoot you got is installed by lifting up on the door and placing down the new shoot on two placement pins then the spring action of door keeps everything in place
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Hi James, Before I start any DIY project, I consider Time, Effort, and Cost. I never let myself become frustrated when I run into problems. Frustration often leads to anger, and that is a place you want to avoid. I bought two devices to prevent frustration when sharpening my mower blades. I use an AllAmerican Mower Blade Sharpener and a Tecomec blade balancer.
Yay Son in law mower exact model There was a carb issue and once cleaned it ran well . That carb is really quality But it kept popping and backfiring on shutdown.. Now we know what to do so out comes the dremel to clean the flywheel. Thank you so much so now he gets his really strong mower back.
I have that exact mower. It has worked well for many years.
It would always be interesting how much money you invested for the repair, how much time spent and for how much you sold it.
I always love to repair things. If everyone would repair things like you - we will never need to built new machines in industry anmore ;)
Hint for cleaning flywheel from rust: I opened the brake, connected the cordless screwdriver on the top (There was a nut on my machine so it was easy) and with the other hand I hold some fleece paper or sand paper on the flywheel. It was very fast to clean and it was very even all around it.
The lawn definitely looks better than last year!
Great tutorial on the Toro! I’ve got two of them. Got them free because of the carburetors clogged up! Been using them both for 8 years now . They are very fuel sensitive. Been running leaded NASCAR 110 fuel & no more carb problems!
Aviation fuel works too!
Spin the flywheel with a drill as you hold the sanding block against it. Much less work and consistent. 😊 44:00
Have a Toro, just like your "deal" machine! Mine is a bit older, but same Koehler engine. My problem was with the pilot jet as, apparently, the tiny O rings perished some time back. Not having any idea where to get them locally, so I substituted a dab of silicone sealer around the top of the pilot jet piece, replaced it and the set screw and, once again it makes good on the guarantee to start, first pull, every time! Also have put a fuel filter and shut off in the fuel line. That tiny pilot jet can be a real pain, otherwise, a good mower. Fastened chute in place with a couple of sheet metal screws as it kept falling off. Thanks for the good videos. PB, Kansas
I know some people aren't fans of Kohler motors, but I've had very good success with them. That Recycler was scheduled to be recycled, but you changed that to Repair and Reuse, which is a better option IMHO.
I have that exact mower to get running this weekend! Very popular around these parts.
Decent mower. Easy to work on. Not a fan though of the way it kills ignition.
Thank you for posting this excellent video. Watching this is a good way to learn how to replace the plastic components. I was interested in seeing how you would change the oil. I am pleased to see I used the same method for draining oil out of mower engines long years ago when I was a teenager. You did a nice job cleaning up the flywheel with the Dremel. I am a little surprised you didn't cover up the spark plug hole while using it. That is a really nice general repair for the mower.
Doing a 3-hand task with just 2 hands. "I'll try to make it look graceful." I nearly choked on my brownie. 🙂
I have a 2011 22" Toro Recycler. All I have done to it is keep the oil changed, cleaned the carp last year and keep fresh fuel in it! Oh, I did change the wheel drive belt and control cable. Mine is a rear wheel drive. Mine has the Briggs and Stratton engine
🤦♂️ Oh man…. I’ve been waiting for this Kohler Toro work as I have one. I really really needed the carb part, but the rest was very relevant to my needs. Especially the side discharge cover and rear baffle! Thanks!
That mower just needed a little tlc, very nice work fixing it up James!
Omg, I can’t believe how lucky you were with that blade adapter.
I have an older version of this that has rear wheel drive. It’s pretty reliable and takes a ton of abuse. I wish I had this one.
I recently dealt with a mower with a seized blade adapter. I was never able to get it off. I had to clean and reseal the sump while only being able to open the engine about an inch. It was a blast. The one I worked on had a hex head screw instead of a keyway. It was impossible to get it out. I bent multiple sockets and screwdrivers, and it never budged. I finally gave up.
Probably using heat, pb blaster and a puller? I hace seen this in this channel. Good luck.
And drill the set screw - can retap for a larger size.
I've had to cut off several things which lost the ability to be removed; worst is a stuck bearing race hidden deep.
I have a group of old timers in my neighborhood that drive around garbage pickup the night before and repair old discarded equipment and sell them for $20 bucks for lawn mowers and power washers & I help them out when they get a stubborn carburetor issue they can't resolve. It's good keeps us old guy out of Trouble. LMFIAO
Another nice piece of equipment ready for use, as always great work and
Thanks for sharing! I really appreciate your episodes and your knowledge, thank you 🌲
Another nice piece of equipment ready for use, as always great work and
Thanks for sharing! I really appreciate your episodes and your knowledge
That Toro Recycler mower is expensive brand new! Great resuscitation!
I would definitely do an unusual fastener delete on that mower. Whenever I encounter unusual fasteners on a machine, they always seemed to get replaced with normal fasteners that a rational human being would use.
I hate to say it but Robertson (square) screws are more rational than Phillips. They are superior in every way to Phillips and similar fasteners. If you want to talk about irrational fasteners, look at the variety of fasteners on Briggs and Stratton engines. The engineers never learned from Honda that having a standard 10 mm all over the machine for basic maintenance is easier. I mean, three bolts and/or nuts takes off the air cleaner, carburetor or recoil to do some maintenance on your machine. Briggs? 5+ fasteners with varying sizes to remove and sometimes the weird bonus of vanity plastic.
@@WJCTechymannailed it brother, Robertson are far superior to Phillips. I live in Canada, most fasteners are Robertson. Very rare to strip one out unless it’s been used a lot.
After ruining a rusty stuck phillips head screw and spending hours trying to remove it, the decision seems more rational.
@@WJCTechyman Most fasteners worldwide use 6, 10, 12, 14, 17, and 19mm sizes. Three wrenches can cover them all. When US carmakers went metric they decided to use oddball sizes like 7, 13, 16, and 18mm instead of following the world's lead, a rather stupid thing to do which PO'es me every time I have to work on my US-made cars.
TORO MULCHING MOWERS ARE AMAZING ESPECIALLY FALL LEAVES
I have that same mower, currently on it's third oil change, I have 3 blades I use in rotation on it's fifth air filter and still using the plug that came with it, I would guess probably 80 hours, no issues, I do pull it out around New years and run it for twenty minutes or so, at the time I bought it it was the cheapest self propelled I could find, good mower
It cleaned up nicely 😊
Good job
I have a mower exactly like this one...Great machine! Showed me a lot of fixes, in case I have problems in the future. Thanks for your time and effort!!!
Surprised they didn't sell that mulch plug/side flapper as an assembly with the bracket. Much easier to install, but you got it OK as always. Those Kohler singles aren't bad to work on. I think a lot of clones we see today are clones of this engine. Great job as usual, James!
Enjoyed the video as usual. Just an fyi, I watched several RUclips videos about generator repair and general maintenance. It's amazing how many times your name came up in the comment section of the videos. You have quite the following. See you next week.
Fasteners on drive are called Robertson Drive screw. Only used in Canadian Manufacturing. Much easier to use than Philips drive screws and less likely to strip out if corroded. Not used in USA because of Henry Ford's refusal to admit that they were better than what he used!
Wikipedia states that the reason that Ford didn't use them was a licensing issue with Robertson. With a questionable license agreement, he didn't want to be beholden to a questionable supply chain. But you are correct, according to the article they were better!
There was more to it than Ford. Robertson made his design free to use in Canada, while Phillips was still trying to make money licensing his. In the end Phillips had to follow suit. Electrical supplies made for the North American market have screws which can be driven with either system, and often straight-blades too.
Great video. A free LM and you made it clear that they can be repair with decent parts and patience. Thank 6OU for shea4ing.
I learned something new today - a kill wire system using the brake pad. Must have some metallic inserted into the pad. Seems like an odd but effective method. The only negative is flywheels always rust. That said, I suspect this one was malfunctioning only because the mower hadn’t been used frequently enough to rub any surface rust off.
Great video! You are so good at what you do, details matter.
If the mower is trying to go faster than you can walk, you can adjust the front wheel engagement cable for the speed you want. I had adjusted mine and a friend's because the mower wanted to go faster than we could walk.
To help get almost all of the sediments out when you change the oil , add a small amount of kerosene or diesel to the oil, and run it a couple of minutes before you drain it. This works on cars, too. 😊
You can put Deoxit on the flywheel, as it leaves a film to inhibit corrosion.
You should get an Air Powered Oil Extractor, they work wonders, especially when changing oil on Push Mowers and Generators.
Last year I redid a similar mower, it was a Lawn Boy same Engine it was AWD, it had caught on fire. I had roughly $100 into it when I was done, I sold it for $200.
I might’ve sanded the brake pad and rinsed with brake clean. Great job tho!
I was thinking he should have used brake parts cleaner as well.
Was a little shocked when it started on the first pull......I was expecting the normal carb cleaning. Good find on the adapter, I think I would have just run a wire brush around the pulley and never would have taken it off.
Another great video, the parts are bad enough, but the multiple shipping charges add up.
Good job!😊
Thorough job as usual fine work, sir
Hi James! Great video, not sure if it’s important but it looks like that pin needs to be driven in just a bit further 14:53 . Can’t wait for the next one!
good video, only comment is...don't blow your grass clippings into your flower beds or road ways, blow them into the lawn. :)
Before you went shopping the blade I always clean the blade off get all the rust off of it sharpen it and then balancing
Thank you for the great content, learning allot and its a joy to watch
Thanks, I appreciate it!
17:45, someone's uncle who worked for Toro, was a supplier of those Robertson screws.
Great video James !!!
At least the guarantee kept it's word!! As for no oil change required, I don't believe that nonsense. One of my housemates has a 2003 VW Polo. They reckon the trans fluid never needs changing. I call bs on that one, because I know how to get into those.
Video quality is amazing Jim!!!!!
I prefer the #2 square drive to Phillips. Less chance of stripping the head and greater torque transmission for securing parts together.
The rear baffle is fun. $23 on Amazon with flap. I put drill on flywheel and use sandpaper on flywheel , I would straighten front baffle and lube wheeles. That is just me
The difference between you and me is that I would keep using the random bots in the mower until it fell apart. I might disguise their randomness with black paint, but that's as far as I would go.
I hate when people say I'm human I make mistakes. No, you're human you make choices.
Yup. Not bad. Look at that beautiful stripe that little 22 inch left 👍 if it had the 163cc I'd maybe be a buyer. ✌
This 149cc engine works and can obviously cope with a reasonably well kept lawn....
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk agreed in most cases 👍 not for me though. Been there done that. Rite now in my area if I miss bye just two days she's gonna struggle ✌
and that’s why we as mechanics/repair guys keep all of our extra nuts and bolts, if it works use 😂. me personally am not a big fan of that style of side chute, i have a cub cadet with the same style and it constantly comes off.
Square drive fasteners and screw terminals are very common in electrical panels.
Robertson (square drive) is superior! This is metric versus imperial all over again. Go Canada!
Go Robertson Go 🇨🇦😂
Another successful project. Thanks again James.
Bookmarked this one! I have the same model I bought at the local box store a few years ago. Been very happy with it, every spring [knock on wood] it fires right up but I'm not going to lie it does get abused more than it should [ie certain family members leaving it out in the rain when the garage it mere yards away, or worse...] so this one is a good look into my future I'd say!@ LOL
Hi. Thank you for your video. on the bigining for me I thoug it will be borring but is completed diferent. I like all your pints that you were coveing. I am in Ca.
Something satisfying about mowing with a push mower, even better self-propelled. Maybe just childhood memories of mowing on a saturday and then watching scobby do and Johnny Quest. 😊😊
Sin sin salabim
Definitely!
Yes I remember those days…
Don't you mean Johnny Quest & Space Ghost or Mighty Mouse? Lol Either way those really were the good old days but we just didn't know it.
Yeah didn't know what a riding mower was from about the time I was 9 till I went in the Navy mowed my parents grass every Saturday
You forgot to straighten the baffle towards the front on the bottom of the mower. The airflow of the grass will work better with it properly shaped. Otherwise it was a great repair.
James I hate to say this but in my family we would have left the same the screwdriver and just bent that screw driver until it was angled and just in there just the one on the side.😊
the trouble with using a angle grinder to sharpen blades is that the heat generated takes the hardness out of the metal which can be seen by the blueing of the metal. either use a file or keep the heat out of the metal or replace the hardness
Think the flywheel is scalloped from grinding it. Should spin it against the sanding block. 😮 😊
Very nice video, James. That mower came out great!
I think that blade adapter is supposed to 'shear' as a safety device if something is hit. Also, I might have cleaned off the brake shoe as well.
man James your hand was pretty shaking there like me after a pot of coffee. lol
That flip-door: A heat gun/heating up the thermoplastic, and then pressing the lid shut while´st cooling down should do the trick
Brake ground contact really only needs to be good around TDC. Anywhere else is moot.
The "square drive fastener" is actually called a "Robertson". There are 4 Robertson sizes. It is a Canadian thing. It evolved from Mr. Philips and Mr. Robertson (from Canada) squaring off to see who's product would conquer the other 100 years ago or so. Philips won in the USA and Robertson stayed in Canada. Of course Robertson is superior because it holds up better to screwing down through wood and metal whether there are machine threads or self tapping threads. Look it up eh ! 😁😁
Keep it, I would. Good mower for the kids or wife.
Nice job keep it up my friend 👍
Wipe the flywheel with solvent a couple of times, see if that improves the grounding
Thanks for this James! Anytime i'm working on small engines around my house now I always ask myself "What Would James Condon Do"? WWJCD? LOL.