Free Smoking Lawn Mower - Not an Engine Issue
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- Lawn mower given away for free because the engine was smoking and issues with the drive system. Is the engine worn out?
Mower Model: 20332
Replacement Wheels: 115-4695
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always refreshing seeing someone actually take some pride in what they do.
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Agreed!
James, thanks a million.Listened 2 few guys, only u got 2 issue, thorough, great teacher, patient, knowledgeable, solved problem, learned lot from u. Thanks again, will continue 2 tune u on..... Efrain Sr.
Love these videos. Simple fixes and sometimes massive repairs, but alway done well and explained… keep up the great content !!
Thanks Nick
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Unlike modern cars, lawn power equipment still requires maintenance to keep them from failing before or during use. If you lack the skill and/or ability to service and repair your own equipment, your at an extreme disadvantage because your going to either be spending a lot of your money at the shop or constantly giving up on your equipment and buying new to replace it. Lucky for some of us who are glad to take your old machines off your hands and repair them for their own use or to resale. Good job with this Toro!
I had a lawncare business Hire some with integrity one young man ran right over a stump and ripped the engine right off.
Man you are the Bob Ross of small engine repair! Thank you
8 mm & 1/4 maybe 3/8ths sockets used
Ten mm too
Yes, I agree he makes happy mowers! Listening to his instruction is very calming.
Thanks for sharing James 👍
Nice repair, Jim. I might add here that the trick to getting the mower deck to last a long time is to keep the bottom side of it clean and free from debris. The grass clumps hold moisture and the pH of the grass is slightly acidic, causing the deck to rust over time.
Keeping that mess off the top helps a lot, too. I was shocked, nay appalled, at the depth of the filth around the pulleys on the machine I ride a lot (beautiful black topsoil once you blow the grass clippings off the deck). It's a Deere, so the finish is coming off in sheets, not chips. I'm guessing I'll get to strip/treat/prime/paint it this winter, don't see the guy going for powder-coat, but a girl can dream. Probably be lucky to get real John Deere Yellow paint
Also, the washout actually works quite well but(and it's a big ol' fat but) you have to use it each and every time you run the mower, skip it once and debris start to cling and the port becomes useless in short order.
help to sand the deck and apply a can of undercoating, just be sure you prep it before spraying.
@@dixiechampagne2892 A powder coated mower? That's my dream too!
Nick sprays Rust-Oleum paint under deck after cleaning
Gosh you’re a joy to watch-you’re knowledgeable, meticulous, and oh so clean!!
Excellent job James. A nice mower there for someone. Thanks for uploading the video
Thanks for the video James. Awesome as usual.
I’m a big fan of yours. I wish I were as good at these small motors as you are.
That's a pretty nice mower to get for free, just a few simple fixes and a little tlc was needed, nice work James!
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I have used and repaired my own Toros for about ten years. Yes the rear drive wheel gears are a common issue. There is a replacement for the plastic geared wheels with metal ones and it’s a good idea to replace the small gears too. The wheels with the metal gears last much longer.
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New wheel 🎡
Even $500 lawnmowers are now expendable and throw away. Where do people get the money to just throw things away like that I don’t get it
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I agree 100 percent. But because anyone lacking knowledge of small engine repair would have to pay a shop $80/hr labor plus parts to fix it. If you can get a brand new one for $300-$500 why would they want to spend $200+ to fix a 7 year old mower?
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Sometimes people have been thinking of an upgrade, and decide to do it when they have an issue, I give away free stuff because I'm upgrading, it still has a life after me and I get something new and better, nothing wrong with that.
It started in the mid 70's. I was a witness to the whole thing. People began to get lazy, but nothing like they are in the last 25 years. This is a whole new HELL!!!! 😦
The Toro recycler personal pace has such a nice cut l love how my yard looks when I get done mowing
Watch many other with small engine repair but none compared to your abilities and thoroughness. And the way you present your videos are very complete.
The only way I can see to fix it is either a larger drive gear or a different mounting plate for the wheels. It might be worth checking parts diagrams between years to see if the part numbers have changed or if there's an after market replacement for the parts.
My experience with the toro recycler drive wheels is that they use a par of bevel gears and a washer to control how much they mesh. The washer wears out as do the nylon teeth leading to the gearbox being unable to transfer much torque. A new gearbox is expensive, but putting a nylon washer between the housing andcthe bevel gear increases the mesh of the gears and it solves the issue much of the time.
Greatly appreciate your channel. Thanks for the tip on the degreaser.
A good freebie!! Got to be happy with that. I do think the drive pinions should be bigger to engage. I'd love to get one of these mowers, take the back wheels off, then look at the drive gears, & make bigger ones from alloy bar using a mill cutter
Nice work as always James.
you guys are lucky i can remember when a sling blade was state of the art for ( mowing) theb came the reel type they cut good very sharp i got 50 cent for about 2 hours work back then
I have one of these from about 2002. It has the 6.5 hp with primer bulb. No problems with the drive except once the gears got packed with mulch.
Excellent video. Excellent production quality. I had just repaired and sold a very similar Toro 22 self propelled mower earlier this week that had the exact same problem. Great job James - keep those videos coming!
Thanks!
I love the Torro Personal pace system my 2000 mower is running great with just oil and filter changes. It smokes for a few seconds when cold but for 22 years not bad.
Another great quantim. Sometimes it is a few issues that add up. Thanks for balancing blades like I do. Great video. You took care with the auto choke reassembly. Nice
I have one out in my yard and I noticed the same exact thing about the wheels. You saved me from breaking it down to figure out why. I thought it looked in too good of shape to be out by the curb. If the drive issue can't be fixed or modified to work without being engineered to fail, I could see me using the engine for a swap or maybe building some small contraption
Thanks James
This is hands down the best repair video on this mower on RUclips. Well done. Subscribed.
I particularly liked the way that the beauty cover cleaned itself instantly with the touch of your hand.
Very simple repair! Great job! A little cleaning, new wheels and VOILA!
Thanks!
I love your videos keep putting 👍great content out...i got my rum and coke, and watch a couple videos before turning in for the night...very thorough and clear instruction
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I had the same issue with my wheels on my lawnmower. My local Toro dealer ordered some updated wheels and they have not failed in the five years since I installed them. Toro did refund me money for the previous set of wheels I had bought in the past. Glad I had the receipt. Thanks for the video. You do a great job and explain everything to us in language we can understand.
Thank you for the video
Great job on this repair and video.
Great video. You’ve inspired me to buy a $30 mower off craigslist (that runs and cuts but is smoking a little) and go through it. The mower in this video, I would have disconnected the drive mechanism as I like to push my mower. Thanks again!
Bravo thanks for sharing with us.
blade balance tip! thnx J
Nice fix. I always did away with the self propel system. I never needed it
Hi James. I bet you are good at jig saw puzzles because you are very methodical and have an eye for detail. Anyway, thanks for the educational videos. I always look for your latest offering. Cheers.
File with a file, no heating issue with the blade material... if it's made with hardened steel. Unregulated heat can wipeout the temper.
Keep up the good videos
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I have the exact mower and l learned a few things about it if there is ever a drive issue. Thanks.
i started using a needle scaler (air) on the bottom of my mower decks. works fantastic. no scraping .
20:55 THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! for cleaning up the tank release ring.... I'm sitting here thinking please don't put it back together without cleaning that ring.... that would've bugged me to hell and back....... You had me in suspense there for a bit James..... 😂😂😂😂😂
Outstanding video. Thanks.
Yes it id help James. Thank you !
good video. I was surprised to learn that the blade torque is only 35ftlb.
I think it ended up being higher according to the manual (50+). Wanted to make sure it was at least 35 before trying to start it.
Torque isn't necessary for the blade.
I've seen other videos where they put shims in between that gold bracket and the frame to get the gears to line up better. And some guys replace the plastic gears wheels with the older medal gears, which last longer. I got a 2006 Toro similar to this with the metal gears.
Thank you for another great video. I agree if people just do a little tlc the lawn mower will work better.😀👍🇨🇦
Nice fix James, I recently had a mower that the air filter was so bad that it was sucking oil from the crankcase thur the breather tube. Changed the oil and filter and after running for a short time all the smoke stopped and ran great. Lack of maintenance again. Also try Fluid Film after cleaning under the mower deck, works great. Thanks for the video.
Great tips! Good to know that a dirty air filter can do that. Never thought of that.
These air filters are designed badly. Without a pre-filter they clog very fast in dusty conditions, and who wants to change the filter every time the gas tank is filled? When I mulch leaves with a mower like this one, that is about how long it would take for the filter to be clogged to the point where the engine has no power and is running very rich. Just adding a pre-filter would accomplish nothing since the air enters from the side and bottom. On mine, I have drilled a series of ~1/2" holes in the front of the housing, blocked off the normal air entry at the bottom, and added a foam pre-filter. It potentially could allow more water in in rainy conditions, but I do not do much lawn mowing in the rain. The change is a dramatic improvement. You still need to clean the pre-filter, but that is cheap and easy. Better but more work would be to remotely locate an air filter high on the handle where there is much less dust, although I have not yet tried that to see how well it works.
@@jimmonte9826 Man your right I had a one of those mowers and the filter was designed was just like you said you could not keep it clean and it would suck in oil and ruin the filter that was way over priced.I know it wasn't right but I took the crankcase breather hose off the filter and raped it in a pre filter foam.
As I've learned from donyboy73, some carbs have a secret screen in the fuel inlet barb of the carb that can be clogged. Keep an eye out for those pesky things.
I think he said those were on the POWERMORE carbs.
@@ronnieso Yes, but They are not the only one with hidden screens or "filters" if you will. : )
@@bushmaster2936 Which other ones?
Yes, you are right on the design issue. To bad there is not an after market fix for cheap. But you got it working good as new. Great job. Now get back to mowing. Thanks for the video.
Thanks!
Excellent video, as usual.
Since you already had the wheels off I think I would have removed the pinion gears and cleaned up the spring loaded keys which if you look at the inside of the gear makes it a one way drive. This allows the pinion gears to act like a differential drive and reduces the strain on the plastic gears. Not that this would be a total cure, it would contribute to a little longer life of the plastic. gears. On the keys, I use never seize and wipe most of it off so it won't collect alot of dirt and seize up again. Some mowers use a pin instead of a key but theory is the same. Great video as usual.
Another problem they have is the side discharger failure. After only a few times using it the plastic mounts fail and is no longer usable and falls off the machine when trying to use it. Thanks for another video.
I hope you gave the old guy back his mower, that would really get my vote!
Whatever for?
GOOD fix and I was expecting a lot worse too. The Snapper I got from the Re-store for $15 had the differential with no stopper packed FULL of leaves. It took a new pinion, a plug and some 00 to fix that one and a Kawasaki motor off a dead Derre to make a bagger out of it. My electric start has a nice thick coat of oil base black all over the underside of the deck after an angler grinder wire brushing and blowing off. The charger came this morning and now for a battery and carb. I leave the cleaning up of that one to her since she says that 409 is too strong for me to mess with. No telling how many truck cabs it got rid of all the tobacco smoke and such but I'll never live to be sanitary! God Bless and THANKS!
Nice work.
Surging on a Briggs & Stratton is often caused by air leaks in the intake manifold or the carburetor. On a Honda or Kohler, the pilot jet sits on top of the carburetor where it's easy for dirt to get into it.
Watching you repair generators and having an eye for detail , I was a little set back when you only gave the underside of the mower deck a hit and a promise. I would have thought you would use one of those plastic cleaning wheels on a side grinder to clean her up a bit.
You know your mowers mate..great skills...Regards from Australia.
Ours we had issues with grass filling at the front and the blades were sharp and the shooting blade not the mulching...so we traded it and got a greenworks 80 volt...baller
Nice fix!
I had one of these mowers that stripped the drive wheel gears. They actually make upgraded wheels with a steel gear instead of plastic, problem permanently solved.
Until the tread wears out?
@@jcadult101 Things wear out with age... you should see my knees.
Good job
Well that is how I balance blades as well. That is sad the recall doesn't include this mower. Great video Jim
Thanks Bruce. Thought of buying one of those fancy balancer tools, but this works just as well.
You should align middle setting on height adjuster bar behind where wheel bolts on pry out till wheel stands up straight. Gears will mesh better. I flip little gear over use new side of teeth. Remember ALIGNMENT teeth will mesh better closer. Amazon had wheels last spring &12 a pair. Ordered 6 pair
I like that some carbs are pretty clean on some engines. Makes the job so much easier to get done lol.
I have the same mower, in fact the 2010 model as well. As with any drive system, the bearings, bushings and the spacers wear out over time and in fact get "egged" out. This causes the drive gear to lose engagement with the wheel gear. So the solution for me was to replace those parts along with new steel gears and wheels that have steel gears as well. There used to be a guy on eBay that was selling these kits, but he no longer does that. I think you can get these parts from the Toro website. I did this a couple years back and it's worked well for me.
Bought a toro 190cc recycler 22 for 50 bucks. Didn’t start, sprayed starting fluid and got it to surge. Replaced spark plug and air filter aswell as cleaning the carburetor. And as been running nice for 6 months
Well done. If that little drive gear was slack adjustable that problem would not be as frequent as it is. Anyway, great video. Keep them coming.
I have been given more of these mowers because of the wheel issues and Toro is aware of it. If there was a cheap supply of wheels that would be great because overall very good units!
Nice find Doc., ye have a mower now.
Thanks Larry
That is a nice little Engine after a LTC.
Did not get chance to watch this one james had busy days on my daily grind had a lot of pumps to rebuild but as always i know you will get thru
James, another very fine video. Methodical and predictable. Look it over, assess it, run it, clean it up and change the oil. Then use it. Growing up during the 1960's in a suburb of Detroit where people had fairly good paying jobs, they threw out mowers when they failed to run or start properly. Because (I thought at the time) there were just no repair shops, people went to Montgomery Wards, Sears and Roebucks or the local hardware store and bought new ones. For me it was a goldmine having people put old lawnmowers out at the road for rubbish collection. I collected them. I had so many engines from various lawnmowers one time an Uncle came over and upon seeing them remarked "You've got more little engines than Carter has little liver pills." That was my upbringing. Dad had a few tools and I used them to rip apart everyone of those little engines and learn all about them. For me the neatest thing was that after I had 3 or 4 of the same engine, one would have a bad part that another had that was still good. So I'd combine them and Voilà, I'd have a running engine. In short order I scrounged together an entire lawnmower. It was named after the man who created the Oldsmobile Car, Ransom Eli Olds. It said "REO" right on it. It was a 17" rotary mower that I used as I began my first real money making job mowing lawn for a very nice elderly lady Mrs. Climber. I split $5.00 with my best friend for mowing the front 1/2 of her 2 acre property about once per week. When she paid us I would immediately go down to my local auto parts store and buy a quart of Wolf's Head motor oil for 75¢ and then hit the corner Oak Gas station to fill a 2 gallon can for 50¢ Between mowing jobs, I worked on building a Go-Kart. It was strictly illegal to ride it on my dirt road, I was told by police. So I only made "trial" runs, but only seldom, just to see if what I had accomplished actually worked. Funny thing though; somehow I always managed to burn my 2 gallons of gas by the time the next mowing job was done. Thanks for the video, and conjuring up those old memories James. See you next time. ben/ michigan
Small engine repairmen are millionaires, Ha Ha Ha
Yes james, thank you for showing us these basic maintenance items. I've had this exact same model since 2013 and recently replaced both rear wheels as well as the drive belt. I replaced all of the drive components because I wasn't sure
Which was contributing more, worn out belt or worn out gears on the rear wheels. I also took the time to take the cover off and clean the whole mower, then sprayed a mixture of lots of dishwashing soap and hot water to clean the motor. Then sprayed carb cleaner in the carburetor; also took out the spark plug, sprayed inside the cylinder with carb cleaner. Had to change the oil because water got in the oil. Cleaned up the spark plug.
Use a concentrated mixture of very hot water and dishwashing detergent in a spray bottle. Then rinsed the whole machine off with a couple of handheld gallons of very hot water. Because I wanted to be pollution Free pollution on the cleaning job. Then I blew dry the entire machine. Now starts After the first pull. Thanks again for showing us how it's done.
Good job! 👍👍
Thanks! 👍
Thanks for great videos. I would like to see you work on drive lawnmower or zero turn
This summer there has been a lot of free mowers at the curb, all easy fixes too like this. Going to be some easy money this next spring
Free mowers on the curb? If u believe that Ive got sum ocean front property in Arizona.
@@elcomandante9299 little mijo sorry about your bad luck
everyone is going battery !
I've only watched a couple minutes of the video. I love these videos, by the way, but after the oil level was right, I started wondering if the mower was filled with mix, causing it to smoke and start hard?? We will see 😊
Nope, great video and fix! Thanks, fun to watch and learn.
Had the same problem with wheels. Purchased the wheels with metal gears but you have to change the drive gears too since the teeth wont mesh due to a different count of cogs.
I saw that. Was not in a rush to put more money into this mower. Am surprised the gears do not match.
Great little mower there. If only the tips of the gears are engaging try replacing the rear axle bearings that mount in the HOC plate, they may have too much play. You can also use the older wheels with steel gears (the LawnBoy version of this mower uses steel gears too). The surging on these Quantum engines is often caused by that gray plastic intake manifold coming loose where it attaches to the intake port, make sure those two little bolts are tight. The carb “O” ring may be worn too, either of those conditions will cause a vacuum leak and surging. Lastly check and re-torque the cylinder head bolts, particularly the three around the exhaust port. You will almost always find those three loose on a Quantum that hasn’t been serviced in a while.
My old Honda Buffalo surged from having Vac or seal leak
Great videos...
Way to go there. Nice mower. Wish I had that one when I was a kid pushing a Clinton
three WHEELED fixed mower. Whew! (but it ran good)
Yep my dad bought me a used three wheel mower and it lasted for years plus I mowed grass after school and weekend
Remember the basic 3.5 briggs back in the day were $29.oo way better than the push reel mowers we used as youngsters to make a few bucks.
Hello there. Drive issue on that lawnmower. Tips of gears are barely engaging. There is no adjustment to it, but, you can fix that problem by bringing center of wheels closer to center of drive gear. wheel carrier plate could be drilled and nut weld on back side. Some measuring is needed of course....depending on skills and tools someone has. Keep up good work.
I use a big long pry bar to bend the wheel adjusters (pry between the wheel adjuster and the deck) to push the wheel gear closer to the drive gear. Over time, the metal gets bent, but a minor “tweak” brings them back into tight mesh again.
Thanks, just bought a used Craftsman 6.75 22" and basically all the wheels are bent inwards towards the top. Also was pretty filthy but it's harder to push than it should be and I'm thinking it's got to be the bent axles. I was really hoping they could be bent back instead of buying new adjuster assemblies and will try it this way.
I picked up one of these today but it has the 6.5 Tecumseh on it. People said didn't know what was wrong with it. Got it home and WAY overfilled with oil to the point there was so much oil in the cylinder it was almost hydrolocked. I drained out the excess oil, tipped it up and let oil drain out the plug hole, then fired on the first pull, doesn't even need the carb cleaned. Only thing it needs is a self propel cable then I can get it sold.
I love finding free or low cost stuff like this. I'm semi-retired and love to work on projects like this. I came across a deal with a very clean Toro Recycler (Not running and a valve cover leak) with a Briggs, and an old Troy Bilt with a Honda GVC 160 engine. Got both for $50. The Toro was a simple fix and is in use now. The Troy Bilt with the GVC 160 runs good but smokes. I'm gonna go through the engine and I'll get whatever it needs. The way it runs, I'm thinking a fresh set of rings and a carb clean. Honda is going to quit making gas powered lawn engines, (going all green), so I'm gonna get whatever the engine needs now while the parts are plentiful. Honda engines last forever. Oh, good job on your finds. You're like me, if I find something and think it's worth fixing, I'll take it. lol
I just picked up one someone threw away with electric start had a valve guide popped out and was incredibly overfilled with oil changed the oil and reinserted and seated the valve guide and was back to mowing can’t believe how people throw away mowers as expensive as they are now with inflation
Thank you! How did you fix the surging? I looked, but could not tell.
Great to see a Mowers video.. just in time to watch with my lunch.. hope you and the family are well
All are well. Hope you and family are well.
You know people knock Toro and Murray mowers but I have found them to be excellent for parts and serviceability
Same here. They are easy to work on and get the job done.
Gentleman your show is outstanding, you are a complete professional and I express my gratitude, about the issue with the rear tracking wheels is that it is a comercial matter, if it doesn't break they make no money, a perfect repair would be finding a metal driving gear a little larger than the one on the equipment , perhaps Mc Master Carr have them in stock, from the endless summer paradise, giving you my most expensive thanks, Jesus Torres.
Great video, thank you. Quick question. I have 2 petrol mowers. Running well at the moment. Should i leave them alone until i have any issues or to what level of servicing should i do. Thanks again.
Thx vm for the video. I have learned a lot. Just wondering though: why would you add the oil back in just BEFORE cleaning the underside of the mower and changing the wheels?
When your carb is dirty like that and you cleaned it. It may be that the fuel lines are breaking down, putting debree in the fuel bowl. It also is wise to add a fuel filter to the line
Move the wheels closer to the drive gears. Drill, tap, success. (only if the geometry of the gears will allow it. Check that first.)
I’ve never had a rear wheel drive push lawnmower. Does the self propelled work the same as front wheel drive