Historical Mongolian Archery Analysis #1

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  • Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
  • 13th century Mongolian Cavalry were famous for their feigned retreat and hit and run tactics during the conquest period of Ghengis Khan, Subutai, and Yuan Dynasty. Such tactics required a reliable and flexible shooting style on horseback.
    This is the Part 1 of my Mongolian Archery Technique Analysis.
    Although there is limited historical sources of how the Mongols shot their arrows during the 13th Century, most of this is based on logic and Ming Dynasty Archery Instruction Text.
    Music:
    Shamanistic by Kevin MacLeod
    Link: incompetech.fi...
    License: creativecommons...
    Монгол:
    сайн байна уу RUclips бол энэ Жек өнөөдөр бид Монгол байт харвааны талаар ярих болно. Хэрэв та онлайнаар хайвал 13-р зууны монголчуудын талаар олон видео үзэхгүй. Чингис хаан дэлхийн алдартай ихэнх хэсгийг байлдан дагуулж байх үед байт харваа. Энэ бол би энэ видеонд анхаарлаа төвлөрүүлэх гэсэн үе юм. Монгол харваачдын талаар онлайнаар үзсэн RUclips-ийн ихэнх видео бичлэг нь орчин үеийн Наадам харвааны талаар бөгөөд энэ нь харьцангуй өөр байх бөгөөд би харьцуулж үзье.
    орчин үеийн наадмын монголд үзэхэд тэд сумаа олимпийн хэв маягийн уламжлалт тал дээр тавьсныг харах болно.
    Монгол байт харвааны төрөлд монголчууд сумаа ердийн талд нь олимпийн байрлуулсантай адилхан байрлуулсан байдаг. 13-р зууны үеийн монголчууд нум сумаа татаж, сумаа нөгөө талд нь орчин үеийн Туркийн уламжлалт харваа шиг хийдэг байв. шалтгаан нь монголчууд морь ашигладаг байсан. нөгөө талаараа сум тавиад эрхий хуруугаараа хуруугаа байрлуулахад энэ хурууг маш тогтвортой сумаар өгдөг.
    би дээш доош үсэрч байсан, гэвч сум нь унаагүй байгаа мэт
    Тиймээс 13-р зууны үеийн монголчууд байт харвааг орчин үеийн баяр наадамтай харьцуулбал өөрөөр хийдэг.
    Баярлалаа

Комментарии • 190

  • @meguto
    @meguto 3 года назад +24

    you are completely right my friend. there no differences in between turkish archery technics and mongolian archery technics. todays modern archers are exactly making a mistake, it's not wisely to put the arrow like olympic draw. mongolians and turks are brothers and sisters, we eat same things, we ride horses in the same way, we draw same bows, we shoot same ways. i am saluting you from Turkey and give you a hug. Most probably in our previous lifes, we fighted together and against with using our bows in same technics. May your arrows reach Uçmağ.

  • @thesmokingtoad2836
    @thesmokingtoad2836 4 года назад +73

    It took me 5 minutes in to realize that was a hat and not your hair lol. Very interesting video!~

  • @phawang37
    @phawang37 4 года назад +42

    Ghengis Khan is proud

  • @HistoricalWeapons
    @HistoricalWeapons  4 года назад +40

    part 2: ruclips.net/video/yoApEukBT6o/видео.html

    • @dgundeadforge17
      @dgundeadforge17 4 года назад +1

      what draw weights do you believe or know what the Mongols made their bows. Also if the war bow weight is equal to 160lbs mary rose bow but can have equal 30 inch draw, how much more efficient is the bow. I know sinew and horn are very strong opposite forces. If the arrow weight is doubled it can double the Ke. Or did they not need 160lb bows , mabey just 125lb but more efficient.

    • @marcellusbrutus3346
      @marcellusbrutus3346 4 года назад

      @@dgundeadforge17 Its so hard to find out what the draw weight is 1000 years ago

    • @draven3838
      @draven3838 3 года назад +1

      That sucks ,its archery deer season here in Missouri USA, so I'm in the woods alot, I pray you all find relief from the chaos, I found the a long hallway in my house makes a nice range of 15 yards

    • @thewobblywelder8362
      @thewobblywelder8362 3 года назад

      @@draven3838 as long as you’re comfortable with your style then why not?! I only say this because I was trying thumb draw for the first time in the back yard and proceeded to put multiple holes in the new outdoor furniture... should be a fun conversation between the woman and I when spring comes back around... lol

    • @ArielaShines
      @ArielaShines 3 года назад

      @@dgundeadforge17 Consider, perhaps, what was hunted in the art, then calculate for the angles and distance on horseback.

  • @i_love_crpg
    @i_love_crpg 4 года назад +9

    As a korean I am actually proud in the fact that the yuan dynasty was in extended in korea.
    My ancestors had fought alongside yours in tsushima as well ;)

    • @Neverdyingpride
      @Neverdyingpride 3 года назад +2

      yeah we got fucked up in that storm if only korean admirals were bit better during that time :P we could have gained japan

  • @pchisman1055
    @pchisman1055 3 года назад +7

    I've seen some old paintings where the archers held 3 or 4 arrows in their left hand, the one holding the bow. so maybe after letting an arrow loose, having the rest, they could more easily grab another

  • @tomtolentino7575
    @tomtolentino7575 2 года назад +8

    Very good historical point Sir. It’s good to know that you are keeping the historical ways alive, and the differences of the modern method in check. All too often many folks overlook historical facts, and only focus on what everyone in Archery is doing today, without even considering the reasons why it’s done in certain ways......thanks for sharing 😇🏹🏹👍

  • @ArielaShines
    @ArielaShines 3 года назад +6

    Yes, it makes sense when I do it to have it on the thumb draw non-olympic side. Also you can notch first then swing the arrow to meet the thumb and bow as you draw and aim. :) Really elegant really. Like dancing! So many questions to ask :) Thank you for the video!

  • @goatranchgaming2922
    @goatranchgaming2922 4 года назад +17

    I never realized I was shooting with the arrow in non conventional way now I know this thank you

    • @MrFeupinha
      @MrFeupinha 3 года назад +1

      It's the intuitive way to do it, give a toy bow to a todler and it would probably shoot like this, goes to further show it's likely most ancient cultures did it like that.

  • @malachimatcho7583
    @malachimatcho7583 4 года назад +20

    Wow!! An actual Mongolian describing Mongolian archery!! Thank you sooooo much! Subscribed!

  • @michaelpeters6659
    @michaelpeters6659 4 года назад +13

    Big fan of your work man! You are doing your fellow Canadians proud!

    • @dsasd778
      @dsasd778 4 года назад +1

      i thought hes mongolian

  • @karlgunther-turkisharchery4272
    @karlgunther-turkisharchery4272 4 года назад +15

    Good video, thanks! Looking forward to more about Mongolian archery. As a teacher for Ottoman archery I agree with all You said!

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  4 года назад +2

      teşekkür ederim. Later I might make videos about ottoman archery, would you like to check my script when I ready? (in a month of so)

    • @karlgunther-turkisharchery4272
      @karlgunther-turkisharchery4272 4 года назад +2

      @@HistoricalWeapons I would like to do that, but I am only an Austrian teacher for Turkish Archery in Austria. Maybe You will find better instructors in Turkey.....

    • @kamilozdemir1903
      @kamilozdemir1903 4 года назад +2

      @@karlgunther-turkisharchery4272 (Turkish dude here) Better instruction probably... English speaking instructor unlikely...

    • @timurk9631
      @timurk9631 3 года назад +1

      @@karlgunther-turkisharchery4272 wo lehren Sie denn wenn ich fragen dürfte, da ich sehr interessiert daran bin, türkisches Bogenschießen zu lernen?

    • @karlgunther-turkisharchery4272
      @karlgunther-turkisharchery4272 3 года назад

      @@timurk9631 In Niederösterreich nahe der tschechischen Grenze.

  • @anntares172
    @anntares172 3 года назад +13

    So happy I found this channel! This is exactly the historical archery techniques I have been looking for! The explanations and demonstrations are excellent for understanding ancient archery. Thank you!

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  3 года назад +2

      Glad to help! more videos about other cultures coming

  • @karlgunther-turkisharchery4272
    @karlgunther-turkisharchery4272 4 года назад +3

    Very good video! I totally agree as a thumb archer practicing Turkish style.

  • @HerroVincey
    @HerroVincey 3 года назад +7

    Thanks for the video!! I've been interested in archery ever since I saw Lars Andersen demonstrate his skill in shooting from the draw side. While Olympic archery is nice, I find speedy, efficient archery to be incredible beautiful and practical. Mongolian horseback archery is incredible for the reasons you showed, being that fast and in control while on a galloping horse.. Incredible! Hope to learn more from your channel. :)

  • @TodoRadegast
    @TodoRadegast 3 года назад +2

    Thank you! I was really confused after watching Mongolian archery footage.

  • @1.forestrunner
    @1.forestrunner 4 года назад +1

    Many other archery using societies used what you call the ancient Mongolian style of shooting the bow. The Turkish, Japanese, Korean do it to this day.

  • @abm6772
    @abm6772 4 года назад +2

    He looks like he has a very kind and nice personality

  • @kan-zee
    @kan-zee Год назад +1

    This is very good History ...thank you for making this update video
    1:55 that's how I draw my OJibwe bow.
    Left hand Pull string, arrow on left side of bow handle.
    I do the pinch draw with one hook finger below.
    2:31 ...I tried at the other side of the bow..and my arrow was not stable and when I did shoot, it went Clown Crazy direction .lol
    Another fact that your not mentioning is ....The NOTCHES in native arrows were (& are) wide "V" shaped...not like todays "U" Shaped Notches.

  • @zackhuddlestonmusic6584
    @zackhuddlestonmusic6584 4 года назад +1

    This is a great video. Really awesome to hear you teaching the history!

  • @nikaloz1
    @nikaloz1 4 года назад +7

    Quarantine video :D Interesting way to ride a horse in quarantine :D :D

  • @thomaspatterson8707
    @thomaspatterson8707 4 года назад +2

    Saw the post on Reddit on the Dan Carlin subreddit and wandered in. I know next to nothing about archery (only in loose historical terms) but I learned something today!! Thank you, subscribed!

    • @dsasd778
      @dsasd778 4 года назад

      amazing

    • @marcellusbrutus3346
      @marcellusbrutus3346 4 года назад

      whos dan carlin

    • @thomaspatterson8707
      @thomaspatterson8707 4 года назад

      @@marcellusbrutus3346 you're in for a treat. Search hardcore history in your favorite podcast app. He is a former journalist who is a fan of history. His podcasts are epic covering a range of topics. The applicable series to this video is Wrath of the Khans. I think it was a 16 hour four part series on the history of the Mongols.

  • @noorbash3885
    @noorbash3885 Год назад

    Cool! Thank you. I'm Bashkir (Bashkurt) . We also had archery tradition in the past

  • @cristianrotila7444
    @cristianrotila7444 4 года назад +6

    I think the olympic side provides better accuracy, but in terms of horse archery and how the mongols practiced warfare, the target would be 5-10 meters away where accurate shots could be achieved very easily with the arrow on the other side. I think the side on which you put the arrow wasn't that set in stone as people nowdays think and it was more of a situational thing. Being on a horse means that you could get closer to the target, make the shot, then get away. Trading a bit of accuracy when you don't really need it for all the advantages you just presented, yeah it makes sense, but for target archery where accuracy is the main thing, of course people will generally shoot on the olympic side.

    • @kamilozdemir1903
      @kamilozdemir1903 4 года назад +1

      I am not very experienced with the difference between techniques; I am genuinely curios. Why is the olympic side more accurate? What is the physics, logic behind it? I am guessing if the bow is blocking your sight of the arrow, that might unable you to aim properly if you are using a point of reference approach. Aiming point aside, right or left feels like it shouldn't matter.

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  4 года назад +9

      I think both are equally accurate, doesn't matter which side of the arrow

    • @BicolBandit
      @BicolBandit 4 года назад +2

      @@kamilozdemir1903 Modern Mongolian Naadam archers put marks on their bows and sight down the arrow for shot consistency. You are correct, it's about point of reference.

    • @kamilozdemir1903
      @kamilozdemir1903 4 года назад +1

      Historical Archery ruclips.net/video/R7kDRQJgMPU/видео.html Joel thinks so as well. The dude had been shooting thumb for years at this point

    • @kamilozdemir1903
      @kamilozdemir1903 4 года назад

      KuyaMorphine That would support my point if you are referring to archers that shoot from the right side, modern naadam archers seem to be shooting from the left in which case it would be the same scenarios as olympic shooting. I believe you say this for archers who shoot from the right in which case pretty cool thanks.

  • @victorzaidan6493
    @victorzaidan6493 6 месяцев назад

    I always used the traditional Mongolian side (I made my own arches, I was young so they weren't super strong), I think it's strange and no one talks about why the arches have the window facing out. I bought my first bow from a store, it's a Mongolian model, I'm looking forward to it arriving. Today I found targets 😃 (Thank God). I bought arrows for wooden targets and found 5 cabinet doors. It was difficult to bring it home, I took a break halfway, but I think I have my target for a long time

  • @gizmonomono
    @gizmonomono 4 года назад +2

    I remember watching your speed shooting videos months ago. Then came back to some of your new ones, and gotta say, you are twice the man you used to be 😂
    Don't know why I'm not subscribed yet. Time to rectify that. Your videos are very good, and you're a very likeable guy.

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  4 года назад +1

      thanks man haha im 230 pounds now compared to 150 pounds before

    • @i_love_crpg
      @i_love_crpg 4 года назад +1

      the bigger the mongolian, the better his archery skills

  • @bishopscore
    @bishopscore 3 года назад

    Excellent analysis.

  • @Neverdyingpride
    @Neverdyingpride 3 года назад +1

    woa woa bro there is mouted arrow side and standing arrow side you have to learn both sides 1st you learn the standing side and get used to your bow then you learn the quick side the mounted side, in naadam we all stand thats why you see olympic side its more accurate also the mongol archers use spears or sabre so you don't have to distinguish horse archers from light/medium cavalary

  • @draven3838
    @draven3838 3 года назад +1

    I built a Mongolian horse bow using the old manuscript drawings , and I shoot thunb side . Its extremely useful deer hunting and antelope hunting.

  • @pauldavidson4977
    @pauldavidson4977 3 года назад +1

    Watched a program taped in the UK a few years ago discussing the original Mongolian saddle bows construction and use while riding at a full gallop. A demonstration of firing arrows in rapid succession while in full gallop is only achieved by the exact technique you're espousing. A gentleman who specializes in archery was able to fire several arrows in quick succession into a number of targets with deadly accuracy while guiding his horse with his knees. You are spot on with your theory. I'm sorry I don't remember what the program was called, but the English host did a number of shows reenacting ancient weapons construction and manner of deployment.

  • @saefeasf
    @saefeasf 2 года назад +1

    Hey i also wondered why modern mongolians put the arrow on the "inside" of the bow with thumbdraw. Please correct me if i´m wrong, but i guess additional to your points - with thumbdraw the string moves to the right side during release, which is good to correct the position of the arrow for "centershot". If arrow is placed to the left, and you use an release (like thumbdraw) , then the string moves to the right, and the arrow will point more to the left, and flights more to the left side ?

  • @aslof1069
    @aslof1069 3 года назад

    In Naadam anyone can participate as long as they book a spot, so you will see all kinds of styles. There are clubs that teach the Mongolian style and on horse etc.

  • @brucenovotny5924
    @brucenovotny5924 4 года назад +1

    Great video. Really. 👍
    I believe it's easier to call it 'draw hand side'..
    🙂👍🇨🇦

  • @stephengent9974
    @stephengent9974 3 года назад +1

    You can easily knock an arrow on the conventional side . It is about learning technique, even if at first it seems awkward. So learning from a young age, it would be "natural". I don't see how you can assert something without direct historical evidence. The bows ( if they exist) would presumably show signs of wear on the side the arrow is drawn.

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  3 года назад

      Conventional (Olympics) side via thumb draw is much more difficult than non Olympic side. On horseback the arrow falls off easily because the index finger applies a torque that makes it fall

  • @bilgekaanmetehan6632
    @bilgekaanmetehan6632 2 года назад +1

    Very nice video, very educating. I like it very much.

  • @marcellusbrutus3346
    @marcellusbrutus3346 4 года назад +1

    he is literally uploading everyday

  • @japhet2843
    @japhet2843 4 года назад

    Woah! Amazing video! Would've loved it more if you added definitions for the bow techniques so beginners like me could understand more, but nothing a little wiki couldn't fix! A really cool observation on Mongolian archery bro!

  • @davidrob_
    @davidrob_ Год назад

    beautiful video

  • @HighlandMacGreggor
    @HighlandMacGreggor 4 года назад +1

    Hello! Any thoughts or experience on Tumurkhuu Batumnkh's bows (or another Mongolian craftsmen bowyers)? I'd love to own an authentic Mongolian bow (preferably 13th century design, made of horn, sinew, bone ect.) I understand that his 'Huunu' model is based off of 13th century design.

  • @takenbythewindNdrivenbythesea
    @takenbythewindNdrivenbythesea 3 года назад

    Very good information ❤️❤️❤️

  • @Alundrael
    @Alundrael 3 года назад

    Wouhou I gave you the 600th thumb up ! Good job guy ;-)

  • @xetra1155
    @xetra1155 Год назад

    Any videos about arrow reloading? I try to figure out a technique to nock the arrow into the string and at the same time turn my hand for thumb draw position. I found a way to do that but before I start drilling for speed I'd like to see if there are already better ways to do that

  • @sergiopakua
    @sergiopakua 3 года назад +2

    love the video, chinese archery is the same idea

  • @sambo170a
    @sambo170a Год назад

    I know little about horse bows, so forgive my silly question Why it is that wooden arrows only are to be used if the modern bow is made from synthetic materials like fibreglass

  • @CloudlessStudio
    @CloudlessStudio 4 года назад +2

    Khergit

  • @SIERRAHAWK23
    @SIERRAHAWK23 2 года назад

    Awesome video ! Can you give any recommendations on where to pick up a bow lick the one you are using in the video.

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  2 года назад

      Hi I recommend this one ruclips.net/video/a9mALCHFJEM/видео.html

    • @SIERRAHAWK23
      @SIERRAHAWK23 2 года назад

      @@HistoricalWeapons thank you very much for ttthe response and suggestions

  • @rolandwillems1
    @rolandwillems1 2 года назад +1

    Nice movie thx

  • @leverdusoleil3914
    @leverdusoleil3914 3 года назад +1

    Awesome video. I just subscribed. Where can I buy an official Mongolian bow and arrows? I'm most interested in buying one that meets the specs of the 13th century.

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  3 года назад +1

      its hard to get, the ones made in mongolia of 13th century. Most of them made there are for the naadam festival which has heavy influences from Manchurian archery. You can ask Altan Nergui on facebook he can help or contact Numun Tamgat Mongol

  • @redtobertshateshandles
    @redtobertshateshandles 2 года назад

    There's a Korean movie about war with Mongols. There's a scene in a forest where 6 or so Koreans form a circle with shields to the outside. The Mongols pull their bows and shoot down the Koreans. Very realistic scene.

  • @gadonjohnson2100
    @gadonjohnson2100 3 года назад

    Love your videos!..been shooting traditional recurves for a while & got WAY into horse bows a couple years ago & can't decide what I like more, need to get on a horse & then decide eh? One o these days anyway...dig that hat lol!

  • @perasplund76
    @perasplund76 4 года назад

    i learned stuff! Thank you, from sweden

  • @nonye0
    @nonye0 3 года назад +3

    a comment from kings and general send me here!

  • @lichenggong1248
    @lichenggong1248 4 года назад +3

    I think many Chinese are part mongolian without even knowing

    • @yasinjamal7517
      @yasinjamal7517 3 года назад

      especially norther chinese regions have more mongolians than mongolia itself

  • @greenhoodedvigilante458
    @greenhoodedvigilante458 4 года назад

    In modern mongolian archery, they do string walking, thumb drawing under the arrow, not touching the arrow at all. So, index finger doesn’t put any torque, so arrow doesn't fall off. Also, they put arrow on the inside/olymic side 'cause it's easier to aim with your dominant eye of arrow is in the same side, parallel with th line of sight.

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  4 года назад +3

      Have you tried not touching/torquing the arrow with a galloping horse via thumb draw? Without touching the arrow it is very likely arrow will fall off. Please keep in mind modern plastic arrows holds arrows better than self nocks

    • @greenhoodedvigilante458
      @greenhoodedvigilante458 4 года назад +1

      @@HistoricalWeapons Yeah, that's it. The modern mongolian target archery is more like Olympic style, they probably use carbon arrows and plastic knock. Not practical in horseback and war.

    • @EnkhjinE
      @EnkhjinE 3 года назад +1

      @@greenhoodedvigilante458 the arrows are still traditional, wood, bone and feather. Also, the bow is very much natural materials as well.

  • @gizmonomono
    @gizmonomono 3 года назад +1

    One thing I don't understand is, when people try to simulate horse riding while standing on the ground, they always bounce around like that 😁 But if you look at actual horse archers today, the are extremely stable even at full gallop. They absorb the bounce with their legs, and their bow is as steady as when they shoot from foot.
    But, of course, thumb release is still preferable for horse archery, no doubt.

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  3 года назад +1

      because it is difficult to simulate horse riding without horse

    • @gizmonomono
      @gizmonomono 3 года назад

      @@HistoricalWeapons I understand the logic behind it. Just saying :D

  • @markdennis254
    @markdennis254 4 года назад +1

    yo where do i get that hat

  • @dgundeadforge17
    @dgundeadforge17 4 года назад +1

    great video

  • @CircusPeanut
    @CircusPeanut 4 года назад

    Thank you so much for this vid!!

  • @AlfaRevoluzione
    @AlfaRevoluzione 4 года назад +2

    Best Release; Slavic DoubleTorque 2 under ;)

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  4 года назад +2

      There is no best release. Every release has pros and cons. Even the pinch draw has some advantages.

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  4 года назад +2

      One disadvantage of the Slavic draw is you have to use your index finger to stabilize the arrow. It is weaker than the English Med Draw. Also you have a shorter max draw length than the thumb draw due to biomechanics

    • @AlfaRevoluzione
      @AlfaRevoluzione 4 года назад

      @@HistoricalWeapons Med Draw is not possible with a 46" Bow

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  4 года назад +1

      @@AlfaRevoluzione possible but more difficult, like I said each technique has their pros and cons. I do agree with you that the Slavic draw is best for arrow showering

    • @AlfaRevoluzione
      @AlfaRevoluzione 4 года назад +1

      @@HistoricalWeapons Tru Tru, hows yor Shoulder, we wanna see yu draw da Beast ;)

  • @vladimirstrangar3050
    @vladimirstrangar3050 3 года назад

    Good videos mate
    Subbed ..

  • @mangudai1987
    @mangudai1987 4 года назад

    That was awesome!

  • @2bingtim
    @2bingtim 3 года назад +1

    Jack rides a super stealthy stead.

  • @vanivanov9571
    @vanivanov9571 4 года назад +1

    Is your shoulder better already? Make sure to give it plenty of rest, I've made the mistake of using an arm before it has had PLENTY of time to recover, before.
    With the right side and left side thing... I use the terms inside and outside.
    The inside is when you have to put the arrow through the bow, left side for a right-handed bowman. To me it seems like the inside of your arm span as well, the arrow is on the side closer to your body. If the arrow slips from place, it is likely to touch the arm holding the bow, so I consider it contains "inside" your arm span.
    The outside is the right side, for a right-handed shooter, as you don't need to put it through the bow. If the arrow slips out of place, it won't hit your arm as there is nothing to the right but empty air, so I consider it "outside".
    For inside shooting and speed shooting, one good method I've seen is canting the bow (not Shad's reverse-cant, to clarify). You then nock it on the inside, not putting the arrow through the bow, and quickly re-hook your hand around the string. Not a great option from horseback, but Ken Hicks did out-shoot Shad with a heavy bow: /watch?v=pwKonOdnu0M

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  4 года назад +1

      I think it's better I tried pulling 140 but it still hurting but 70lbs no

    • @vanivanov9571
      @vanivanov9571 4 года назад

      @@HistoricalWeapons That's a bit worrying, if it's still hurting when it normally wouldn't while pulling 140. I know it is very hard to resist the urge to test your arm up to see if it's healed, but you need to give it a lot of time.
      I'd recommend very light exercise for a week or two, then you can see if it hurts on the 140. Your shoulder needs time to rest, and it probably isn't a good idea to use a 70# bow either until the pain has gone away.

    • @NUSensei
      @NUSensei 4 года назад

      There are a couple of problems with this definition of inside and outside. Shooting from the left (assuming RH) doesn't necessarily mean you have to thread the bow, so it doesn't make sense to many people to use this definition (though the right side definitely does not need to). It makes sense to consider that the side closer to your body is the "inside" - however, historical sources describing Arab Archery use the term "inside" to refer to the arrow side, which is really confusing.

  • @gn2650
    @gn2650 Год назад +1

    Why using the thumb draw?

  • @christinah6664
    @christinah6664 3 года назад

    nice

  • @ugyennorbu7325
    @ugyennorbu7325 Год назад

    Wow.

  • @ic8575
    @ic8575 4 года назад

    Really cool video.

  • @umiceda9889
    @umiceda9889 3 года назад

    Very interesting!!!!

  • @HighMaintenancePS
    @HighMaintenancePS 2 года назад

    I’ve heard the Mongolian horsemen could fire their bow underneath their horses necks, thereby gaining protection from the horse while riding broadside to enemy.

  • @AngryHistorian87
    @AngryHistorian87 3 года назад

    I have some questions:
    1. Is this bow based off Conquest era Mongol bows?
    2. How big is this bow?

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  3 года назад +1

      the bow in the video is based on the general shape of hungarian bows which is based on conquest era mongolian bows (with slight differences). Length of bow I used is around 1.4m. The size of the bows back then would be around the same shape and dimension but made of natural materials

    • @AngryHistorian87
      @AngryHistorian87 3 года назад

      @@HistoricalWeapons First, thanks for answering my questions. Second, if I may ask, what are the slight differences you mentioned?

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  3 года назад +1

      @@AngryHistorian87 The bows used in the 13th century by Ghengis and his armies were smaller and had less prominent string bridges than the bows used in Mongolia today which are Manchu bows. The old Mongol bow was gradually replaced with the larger Manchu bow which is relatively large and has prominent string bridges. A Magyar or Hungarian bow of the conquest era (9th and 10th century AD) is also a relatively large Asiatic reflex composite bow, but the string does not touch the bow only at the knocks. The ends of the bows (siyahs) and handle were typically plated with horn on a Hungarian bow. 13th century mongolian is basically the same in design as 13th century hungarian, but as time progressed, the mongols used string bridges while hungarians did not generally speaking (they also used more crossbows)

    • @AngryHistorian87
      @AngryHistorian87 3 года назад

      @@HistoricalWeapons Cool. Thanks.

  • @ColetteNoir
    @ColetteNoir 4 года назад

    Nicely shown, greetings from another lefty!!! Though I do Kyudo righty ;)

  • @langdavid6852
    @langdavid6852 2 года назад

    Wow

  • @emrahefeyungucu
    @emrahefeyungucu 3 года назад

    Bizde mandallama yöntemi olduğu için o okun ucu yukarı aşşağı oynamıyor...yanlış bilgi vermişsin

  • @yudhistirakaysakarim3361
    @yudhistirakaysakarim3361 Год назад

    I have toxophilite meaning i love archery

  • @doodoodada3206
    @doodoodada3206 3 года назад

    left side technique is mongolian sur harvaa s technique this technique is best for sur harvaa

  • @rcislariu
    @rcislariu 3 года назад

    You can do a parthian shot with med draw easily.

  • @fire_lord862
    @fire_lord862 4 года назад +3

    Then why did you put the coat on in the first place 😂😂😂

  • @_SkyEye
    @_SkyEye 3 года назад

    They used the drawing-hand side :)

  • @chairmanbowl4085
    @chairmanbowl4085 4 года назад

    Curious, is your family ancestry from inner mongolia?

  • @yehenala1
    @yehenala1 4 года назад +1

    First!
    Your hat make you look more like your older video.

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  4 года назад

      Can't buy a Mongolian hat at the moment due to the world situation

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  4 года назад

      Thank you very much for the support

    • @yehenala1
      @yehenala1 4 года назад +1

      @@HistoricalWeapons you doing a good job man.
      Ps my ancestors are also from Mongolia. Yehe clain. From the 4 nala clains of Manchuria.

  • @ninjinczn5577
    @ninjinczn5577 10 месяцев назад

    As a Mongolian drawing from the left side never felt right lmao (right handed)

  • @EnkhjinE
    @EnkhjinE 3 года назад +1

    Hi, I am from Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia. I am not 100% sure, but I heard the modern style is derived from the Manchu foot sport hunting. They used much larger bows compared to historic Mongolian bows. Also, Mongolian style archery and bow was banned during the Qing Dynasty, and only the Manchu style bows were permitted. After the overthrow of the Qing and the Han nationalist, the Mongolian horse bow pretty much becomes obsolete for war. Instead, to revive Mongolian traditions, Naadam was declared on the day of the Mongolian People's Republic founding, and three manly sports become an official part of the festival. Hence, archery was open to both genders and used large Manchu-style foot bows. Lastly contemporary day archery is called Sur Harvaa.

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  3 года назад +1

      thanks for this history. I am suprised manchurians would ban the mongol tradition considering they were also horse nomads, not sure why the specific mongol style bow is not allowed.

    • @EnkhjinE
      @EnkhjinE 3 года назад

      @@HistoricalWeapons I read that Manchus is not considered nomadic like Mongols. They had huts, agriculture and did more fishing, but they loved horses and horse archery. I saw an old bow in the Mongolian National History Museum, which was much smaller, and it was called black war bows. The bows you see in Naadam were big and very hard to shot from a horse, and the end keeps hitting the horse's shoulder, and I heard some archers referred to Naadam bows as a Manchu Bow. Also, some Mongol Nobility did submit to Manchu's Khan, but a lot did not. So there were lots of rebellion happening during that time.

  • @giannapple
    @giannapple Год назад

    Why are you trying to pass the arrow between the string and the bow? I never did it when l was shooting using the mediterranean style, l just rotated the wrist to set the bow more or less horisontally, placed the arrow with no effort or fumbling of any kind (it is phisically impossible to fumble with this method), draw and shoot in more or less the very same amount of time than with the arrow placed in the “wrong” place. Don’t confuse olympic bowshooting, where the bows are equipped with variuos appendixes, counterweight and so on that make rotating the bow horisontally impossible, with war/hunt shooting where the bow basically is just a simple stick.

  • @user-sk3qp5qn8g
    @user-sk3qp5qn8g Год назад

    Because mongols of today (Halha people) we're not the majority of Genghis army. There's a lot of confusion and that's why you see em shooting Thumbring and arrows on a left side.The majority of Genghis army were turcik speaking people ( nowadays Kazakh, Kyrgyz , Tuva, Uighur, ) their ancestors .

  • @tianhaozhang1693
    @tianhaozhang1693 4 года назад +1

    欲将轻骑逐,大雪满弓刀

  • @donaldju5062
    @donaldju5062 2 года назад

    大雪满弓刀

  • @dakadaka7455
    @dakadaka7455 3 года назад

    First time to see Mongolian dude speaking English

  • @alexyatsyuk70
    @alexyatsyuk70 4 года назад

    but yr bow is made in hungary i guess by grozer

  • @andkonblack
    @andkonblack 4 года назад

    i want to go to mongolia

  • @siberiaacoustic
    @siberiaacoustic 4 года назад

    why dont u film urself outside

  • @aslanbosnakoglu8240
    @aslanbosnakoglu8240 2 года назад

    genghis kan and his army were turkish, not mongolian. the western "historians" named them mongols because they hate the turks so much, to hide the fact that the largest empire at the time was turkish. just like they named the eastern rome "byzantines" just to hide the fact of the humiliating roman defeat. the fall of roman empire was in the 1400s not in the 300s as we are taught.

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  2 года назад +1

      What a joke. You know genghis first task was Defeating the Chinese Jin. You telling me those are Turks as well in northern China

  • @freedom35pedrick
    @freedom35pedrick Год назад

    American Comanche did the same way….

  • @vintagebowyer1692
    @vintagebowyer1692 2 года назад

    Awes

  • @littlehorseyhorsey
    @littlehorseyhorsey 3 года назад

    02:28 Early Mongolia*
    13th century was when Mongolia just came into existence. There's no such thing as ANCIENT Mongolia.

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons  3 года назад

      my bad i just meant older period

    • @EnkhjinE
      @EnkhjinE 3 года назад

      Modern Mongols see Hunnu/Xiongnnu as our first historic state. I read a translation of the Han Dynasty description of the Hunnu people, and there were so many similarities in terms of customs, values, and traditions to 13th century Mongols and Modern-day Mongols.

    • @littlehorseyhorsey
      @littlehorseyhorsey 3 года назад

      @@EnkhjinE You do realize as nomads, you can't claim borders or have a demarcation line like with a nation?
      The Xiongnu Empire was vast but the people just move around all over those lands.
      Mongolia as a formal territory or land attributed to a people started in the 13th century because of Chingghis Khan.
      Before, the various Turkic peoples also inhabited where Mongolia is, with Jurchens, Khitans, and other pre Mongolian Mongolic peoples, Altaic?
      And even if the Huns were ancestors.
      The Hunnic Empire or Xiongnu Empire couldn't be territory of the Mongol Empire because of nomad status again.
      It conflicts with nation-states sovereignty. Nomad implies that as long as you travel through a land and generally herding animals over the land which are property, since you are on the land, and sustain your property over the land and the land itself is "under your rule". It is your territory. Yet, under that implication, it means that say the Berbers were to travel to France, what we call France is actually the territory of the Berbers, which you can see is ludicrous right? If a Mongolian travels to China today, he can automatically claim China is illegitimate and because of the Yuan dynasty, the current China should submit and be annexed by the Mongolians in Mongolia. Which is complete nonsense, because of the state of Zhou China whereas, Mongolians didn't even exist when Zhou China existed. The Xiongnu and earlier nomadic peoples inhabited what would later be called Mongolia. Mongolia only arises because of Song China as well. The Song dynasty emperors played off tribes against each other to weaken them so they wouldn't be a more terrifying force. Eventually you see the troubling instance of Temujin's harsh life and rise because of it.

    • @EnkhjinE
      @EnkhjinE 3 года назад

      @@littlehorseyhorsey I am Mongolian, I do not need a lecture on my history and culture. Also being a nomad does come with territory and we did not aimosly move around. Mountains, river, and land come with special meaning. Also nomadic tribes fought and displaced each other from territories they lived in. I said Hunnu people had traditions, values and customs that are passed down to Modern Mongols. History not always come from written sources. It is still well and alive in our oral traditions.

  • @sergeib8840
    @sergeib8840 4 года назад

    ur roof is not enjoying it

  • @MrTTuguldur
    @MrTTuguldur 22 дня назад

    Chinese men explaining Mongol archery. 😂

  • @nitokagaminen9660
    @nitokagaminen9660 5 месяцев назад

    they took 10 years to make a singel bow, pathetic

  • @zhangtony3372
    @zhangtony3372 4 года назад +1

    LOL shadiversity haters are back downvoting

  • @amandahold8897
    @amandahold8897 3 года назад

    wow