Cross Processing Kodak Ektachrome Slide Film
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Many film photographers didn't realize that the "pros" used slide film because since the earliest days of color reproduction publishers were set up to scan from color transparencies. This was easier (and therefore cheaper) for them so photographers who wanted to shoot for publication followed suit. Many of those magazine photographers envied their wedding and portrait photography colleagues who got to use those wide latitude negative films and get inexpensive, high quality prints.
Yep, copying negatives meant copying the negative on light sensitive paper and then inverting it or developing the negative and then copying it onto a light sensitive transperency... Until Photoshop came around of course.
Scanned?! Printers / prepress shot CMYK screen separations (4 sheets of film) with those round-dot litho patterns on them. And it wasn't too long ago. Smaller printers used this method into the 90s. The real pros needed to shoot sheet film, because their clients wanted 1:1 separations. Only by mortgaging the business would my local printer be able to afford a huge fancy drum scanner.
@@maf421 yep, unfortunately the lithograph method doesn't exist anymore as far as I know off the top of my head. It was a good method to copy photos though.
I have fond memories of selling bricks or pro packs of transparency film to pros. They also needed to shoot the same emulsion for a shoot. Many of the magazine photographers that I sold film to used Fuji Velvia, Provia, Astia, or Kodak E100, E100G, E100VS, amongst others.
I used plenty of Ektachrome and loved it. Never found the latitude a constraint. It was what it was.
When I shot sports on film. I used Ektachrome 400 pushed two stops to 1600 ASA. That translated to f2.8 at 1/500 in most enclosed stadiums or sports arenas.
I started in photography in 1981 with Kodachrome 64. Because of the toxic chemicals used to process Kodachrome most of us nature photographers switched to Fuji Velvia 50 in the 1990's. When it was found to have a carcinogen in the middle film layers we all switched to Ektachrome E100VS (very saturated). ISO 100 seemed like cheating. I still have close to 20 rolls in my freezer left over from 2006 when I got my first digital camera. Needless to say we studied how to nail exposures back in the slide film days. And we bracketed a lot if we were in doubt. To make a magazine submission we would have dupes made of the slides and mail them in a plastic slide sheet. If they wanted to publish we would mail them the original. You had to keep track of who had your originals and hound them to get them back. There were lawsuits over lost slides.
Wow this is fascinating Thomas thank you for sharing. :)
ive always wanted to know how movies were reproduced and distributed to cinemas back when they were shot on film but i cant find anyone that knows, it sounds like you might? could you help me understand it? it’s been on my mind for months now
Buffalo 66 is also one of my favourites. Together with titles like Fallen Angels, Millennium Mambo and Last Life in the Universe, they’re among the most beautiful modern (post 1990) colour movies ever made.
I shot a few rolls of Kodachrome in my Pentax 6x7 back in the 90s. The transparencies are amazing, they're like looking at thin, squared jewels.
My dad used to shoot only slide film. I have started photography in late 90, mostly using Provia400. It is amazing how well these hold up in the decades since shot. Just a few weeks ago we did a slide show after about 20 years and is unbeliavable how slide projection is such an impressive way to look at photography.
Back in the old days, I only shot slide film. My film of choice was Kodachrome 64. I lived close to the Kodak processing plant in Fairlawn NJ, so I used to drop it off and then pick it back up in about a week. Occasionally, I’d shoot Ektachrome when I wanted a film with a higher ISO. Today,mi still shoot Ektachrome, but would absolutely love it if Kodak brought back Kodachrome.
I love Buffalo 66. Had no idea it was shot on slide film though!
Thanks for watching tony! Glad to hear you love that film as well, I didn’t know either till a little while ago when I was reading about it.
Now I have to watch Buffalo 66. First heard of the movie in the lyrics of Wet Leg - Wet Dream. I still have to try the Ektachrome E100 that I've got in my fridge.
I shot a roll of 64t last year and it was insanely cool. It worked out that it was foggy and cloudy in the mountains. Great video!
Love your videos, love your content. Great work, Lucy. Have a great week.
Your production has come so far!
Oh thank you so much! We have learnt so many skills since we started and I am so much more confident now on camera and plan as much as possible for videos! Lux is a dream to work with too :)
Interesting essay, Lucy. I shot Kodachrome 64 almost exclusive for years, everything from family and travel photography to motorcycle racing. I never felt limited by the low ISO, and in Australia the purchase price included development. I’m pretty postage was covered as well, so I found it cost effective for my needs. I still haven’t a film stock to replace it.
I just read that there was an anti-trust lawsuit in 1954 over them including developing. When Kodak lost they had to share their developing process with private labs. I remember it was a very toxic process, resulting in barrels of toxic chemicals sitting around.
Thank you for watching Steve, glad you enjoyed! I wish I could do a more professional type essay like T Hopper but I'm not sure that's my style so I'll leave it to her. That is so interesting the purchase price included dev as well. Imagine that now haha
Thanks for the awesome video Lucy! Great inspiration to try slide film! Thank you! I just bought you some coffee! ☕️
Hey matt! Thank you so much for this lovely comment and the extremely generous coffee donation as well! Your message made my day, I really appreciate it thank you :)
@@LucyLumen I’m so glad! I’ll just miss Matt’s xPro competition but looking forward to the next film competition. So inspirational! Love Love your content! 😊 Cheers from Brooklyn
Cool info, thanks
When I was a kid my grandparents and parents shot mostly Kodachrome, because they both had slide projectors and screens and everyone loved to see slides. Kodachrome was absolutely the favorite of consumers. Even the 126 Instamatic cameras had Kodachrome. We never heard of Ektachrome until later. It was the pro film, I thought.
I shot some Fujichrome 64T many years ago. Beautiful film! Slightly under exposed gave a moonlight effect. Wish they would bring it back!
This was so great 😍 Love all the 90s vid references; makes me want to dig up Buffalo 66 which I literally haven’t seen since it was initially released 😮
For X processing it came out fantastically! Well done Lucy! Man on Fire with Denzel Washington is also a movie with I believe partially X processed scenes. Looks amazing.
I have used slide film off and on since the 70s ... very happy that Kodak brought it back!!! I have worked in printing for most of my adult like and until digital killed it, all images we scanned for print were slides!!!
So interesting hearing from the photographers who shot film back in the day. It's a shame slide film is so expensive now but I enjoyed my little cross processing adventure. Thanks for watching Brian :)
I've actually just shot slidefilm for the first time. (And on a point and shoot!) And i am really impressed. I shot Provia 100f. And I have some provia and expired Velvia in 120 in the fridge. I can't wait to shoot those! (But dreading exposing it manually haha!)
I've never shot Ektachrome before but I'm going on a sailing holiday to the Cyclades Islands in Greece soon so I've picked up a roll of E100 to shoot there. I get the feeling it will be a great location to shoot and I'm keen to see the results.
Hey Lucy! Nice work, I love your content. I've also seen Agfa Vista Color and Provia 100F cross processed, both seem awesome!
Slide was also preferred for its lack of visible grain at low ISOs. It can be blown up way more than most neg film.
I've never shot colour reversal film before, but maybe I should try it sometime! I've always been afraid of the high price and the need to get your exposures as close as you can. The other thing I've been more afraid of is the color since I don't always shoot in daylight and using cooling or warming filters to get it balanced (although I guess I could do that when I scan)
Ektachrome was the first film I developed myself in the early 1970s.
That is so cool! Must have a special place in your heart :)
Try some Agfa Scale B&W slide film. Loved it back in the day.
These look great! I usually don't care for things I shoot with E6 crossed in C41, but I have a few rolls of this laying around in 120, so ... :)
Also, Rocky Schenck did some amazing 1990s music videos and sometimes talks about them on his IG.
My absolutely favorite thing to do was to combine in-camera multiple exposures with cross-processing. I mainly did this in my Nikon D80 (US model). I preferred shooting Kodak Ektachrome 100 Plus/EPP. (I also used Agfa slide film. RIP ❤️)
I used to shoot a lot of slidefilm, and now I'm doing it again. I used to love Kodachrome, especially 25, but tried to avoid Ektachrome, because both Agfa and Fuji were better. The new E100 is excellent though, in spite of the relatively high ISO. Agfachrome is no more, and I also use some Fuji nowadays. The results are better than digital, but it's expensive. I can choose from several laboratories that do E6, so that's not a problem.
Buffalo '66 is good, but The Brown Bunny is Vincent Gallo's masterpiece
Kodak E6 are generally the better films to cross process. Only a couple of Fuji like Provia 400X result in the classic xpro look. Other Fujis have a heavy cast of magenta or green, sometimes being monochromatic that way. Kodak you still get blue skies, red lips and green grass.
My dad shot a lot of slide film in the 80's. I still have the best shots stored in boxes with holders for projectors, but that's about it for me.
I'm sticking to negative film myself - especially in the current market.
I think I'm more inclined to get a compact digital camera, than slide film 😉
Yes I can understand that. I won’t be buying any new anytime soon that’s for sure negative film is pricey enough. I think shooting expired stuff if you can get it for cheap or from a friend like I did then it’s fun to cross process! Thanks for watching 🙏🏻👍🏻🙋🏻♀️
Slide was preferred by many because you would get great predictable colours and as someone else mentioned magazines and book publishers were set up to use it for pictures in their publications. On the other hand with slides you needed to be careful not to get colour casts due to changing white balance. Warming filters were needed for cloudy days to avoid blue casts, a blue filter for shooting under tungsten light, etc.
Negative film when processed into prints by a mini labs had an averaging process that dealt with colour casts, so no filters required, but dampened all the colours. As a result prints from negatives tended to have very bland colours which, while not offensive never, looked great compared to pictures one would see in books or magazines. This “nostalgic” look seems to drive some of the interest in the negative film revival these days.
Scanning negatives produces a digital image where saturation, contrast and white balance can be adjusted and produces far better and more interesting results than the average person was getting from prints from negatives before the 2000s. So in reality negative film users today are not really using the same process as we did in the past.
Hey, did you shoot the film at the native iso or overexpose it? Since it is 2 decades expired.
Hey, I don't think you can control the ISO on the T4 unless you use a sticker on the cartridge. I didn't check to see if this cartridge was DX coded until I had already loaded it. As I knew this film had been stored properly I wasn't too worried about the one stop per decade rule. I have read that isn't actually always correct anyway, I think it's one of those things everyone says but not sure where it came from. I'm pretty happy with how it turned out. Thanks for watching.
The general rule is that you should always shoot slide film, fresh or expired at box speed. It's different than negative film.
@@LucyLumen okay, I’ll try one roll at the native speed, I’m not sure about how it was stored though.
@@john_murch I’ll try that approach, thanks!
@@kundansingh9324 Good luck!
Slight issue, Fuji also made some of the most synonomous slide films, Fuji Velvia, Provia and the lesser used Astia and Sensia as well as Agfa RSX which is still remaining in Rollei Crossbird which is actually Agfa RSX 200 II. But yes that is true for Kodak of course, except for Kodachrome, but that wasn't an E6 film. Most people by the 1990s had switched to E6 film because of the toxic nature of kodachromes and the decline in popularity of projecting... Everyone was sick of grandpas slide shows... Although... Take a really nice shot and blow it up on the wall with a medium format slide and it does look amazing.
64 isn't unusual for a slide film, slower film used to be used all the time because of the fact that it has less grain.
Slide film was also used all the time for its value. If you put a slide on a light table you can see the results immediately which is why it was used by professionals for magazine/newspaper/press work.
Tungsten film was used because studio lighting used to be tungsten balanced i.e. warm white, and in all honesty should be, unless you're looking for a specifically cold look. But cold and warm lighting is another discussion in itself. Tungsten film was/is meant for indoor use or shooting at night when street lights used to have incandescent rather than fluro bulbs in them, or LED. If you shoot a fluro or LED light with tungsten film it will go blue.
Slide film is not difficult to shoot with either, you just need an evaluative matrix meter that meters for the whole scene and not just the average crappy spot meter found in a camera from the 1960s.
If you want to see GOOD slide film grab a Nikon F6 and use the Matrix metering mode, or the equivalent Canon, Nikon, Pentax or Minolta body from the 1990s E.G. Canon 1N, Minolta Dynax, Maxxum, Alpha 7, or 9 and Pentax MZ/ZX series and you will be amazed how good even modern off the shelf Ektachrome can look. The limit with the amount of light stops slide film can deal with isn't the issue. Bad photographers blame their tools as they say.
Wow so much info here maybe you should make a video about slide film! I try not to get too bogged down in facts and just present what is interesting to me about the subject. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with myself and everyone in the comments :)
@@LucyLumen I should do a slide film adventure as most people have lost the knowledge of how to shoot it. I'm still from a time period in the 90s where it was normal to shoot slides.
All that info... Well Jason from Grainy Days is about the same age as I am. We were the last kids who lived in the 90s and still shot film. That's how I know about it.
I've been thinking about it, but my on camera persona isn't fully developed yet, Unlike Jason who actually went to university and studied it.
If you haven't seen Jason's montage on the first photo, it's absolutely mind blowing on the details
ruclips.net/video/tnXw9SFhDJk/видео.html
Akira Kuroaowa is also a mind blowing person to watch after you've watched that he did a movie called Dreams that you can find on SBS on Demand for free. Although my favourite "dream" from his short is Crows, which features Martin Scorsese as Van Gogh himself.
ruclips.net/video/iKSUpyENtwo/видео.html
It's the impressionism and layering that I like, as does Jason from grainy days. If you want a montage on the technicalities of shooting film start with Jason's video above though as he does it well without getting buried in the details of photo chemicals but explaining why even old photos and methods work.
The dream shows how sometimes more is actually more, and it shows Akira Kurosawa in his dream getting stuck within the layers (foreground, midground, background) composition of Van Gogh painting. It's a trip, but it will also teach you a bit more on composition if you watch it with an open mind.
The dream in this sense is to imagine what each specific layer of a photo (or in this case) painting can do to evoke what the artist (in this case Van Gogh) wanted to achieve.
Akira Kurosawa was a composition god though, if you watch it through you can see just about every example of perfect framing in photography.
The point is sometimes, depth and layering turns a still born idea into an amazing piece of work and that's what Kurosawa tries to evoke and why AK is my my favorite artist of all time.
I don't want to put slide film in my point and shot camera. I want to control the settings, don't know why ;)
The thing is, slide film became pretty expensive. So, I am a little bit reluctant to “ruin” its beauty by cross processing it … hahaha …
yep. Spend $20 just to go screw it up. If you could buy a few expired rolls for $3 like the good old normal days, then it would be fun to experiment.
I keep hearing cross processed, but in what? C-41? ECN-2? I know that euphoria specifically was processed in ECN-2, then color graded digitally. What are some other examples?
Hey, if you mean what chemicals were used for my roll of Ektachrome? The lab just ran it through C-41. My understanding is cross processing is any time a film is developed in chemicals other than what it's intended to be (usually indicated on the box or canister). Some say that films like CineStill's rebadged motion picture stocks are actually cross processed when you develop them in C-41 as they are supposed to be in ECN-2 I think. I'm no expert on the developing side of film photography though I just love taking photos.
@@LucyLumen all good! I was only curious, as I do really love the look of cross-processed films. I was originally only aware of that technique being used recently in euphoria and wanted to know how you had yours done, as well as perhaps some examples of it being used in other media so I could study it. I develop my own films, and thought it would be a fun challenge to tackle as I have a roll of e100 waiting to be shot in my film fridge. From a fellow photo-taking-lover, thanks for replying and for the video 🙂
@@ShiekaaahI haven’t shot with the newer E100, but years ago I shot many rolls of Kodak’s discontinued Ektachrome 100 plus (EPP). It was my favorite film ever to cross-process. It’s definitely worth trying the E100 in my opinion.
Unrelated factoid: Vincent Gallo had a part in the music video for Glassjaw's "cosmopolitan bloodloss" back in the early 2000s. Keep it down...
Black Hole Sun by Sound Garden is a vibe ;) I was 21 in 1995 🫠
Yes great video! I was 3 years old Hahha
You cant spell analog without og.
Are you aware of how not eco friendly film is?
Euphoria Season 2 shot a mix of Ektachrome and 500T Kodak Vision 3 Negative stock.