Are These Levels Ruining Geometry Dash…?
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- ❗❗Hey guys.,,.. Please remember this is just my opinion…. :D !!!!
hi everyone! its been like uh… a year and a month or two since my last upload, but i am back from school and felt like uploading something. SMASH LIKE AND SUB FOR NORKBORK RETURN….
anyway, i saw this topic on GD Twitter (follow me x.com/norkbork1) and i felt like making a video weighing in on my thoughts! pretty fun/interesting little discussion, hope you guys enjoy what i have to say and find it interesting too! also PLEASE WATCH THE WHOLE VID before writing ur hate letters in da comments💕
ALSO do not harrass ANYONE mentioned in the video or i will FIND YOU!!!!
have a great day! hopefully we’ll talk again soon :D
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0:00 hello
2:18 asset reuse discussion
12:25 problematic mindsets
16:30 creator consent
18:25 creator point farming
21:48 bye!
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⚠ please watch Da whole video before u comment ur opinions and hate letters 💅
ALSO i wanted to talk a little more abt the NC series briefly cus i felt like i didnt explain it good enough (READ b4 u comment abt NC levels) (also watch the vid first so it makes sense lolz):
YES the NC series did become repetitive and bland, and i think some people might see that and think of it as proof of asset reuse hindering artistic potential, going against everything i said, but that is NOT TRUE!! ❌
the real truth is that thoughtful asset reuse WAS the reason for any ARTISTIC innovation in NC levels. (the reason any cool ones were ever made- they took the original assets and built on them with creative spin, met with clear respect to the OG level, all fitting my definiton)
any of that bland, repetitive nature of the levels came down to people cashing in on free creator points, building off the stuff i talked about at the end of the video. just like the line series! nothing to do with asset reuse as i preached it, but a problem of the rate system
So yeah, everything to do with the rate system once again, and a clear parallel of the whole thing with the line series, just in the past. not an issue of asset reuse, but an issue of creator point farming. OFC if u watched the video to the end u know what im talking about so i better not see angry comments abt NC levels :)....
sorry i didnt explain that very well in the video! anyway i hope u guys liked it!!!! :D LOVE U ALL!❤
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@@David280GG🤪
Its not problematic its dancing line btw
I helped organize Typhoon
No, the Dancing Line Level Trend is not the iconic nine circles easy demon named Problematic
thank U for clarifying
I WAS THINKING OF THE LEVEK TOO😭😭😭
Both have heavy amounts of stolen assets tho
I mean, we all stole assets from Stereo Madness.
TRUE...
It's at this point unevitable
Everyone did at least once
you're not wrong
Huh
didnt stereo madness steal from ultiate destruction?
The asset stealing part is unfathomably based. I think a big reason why so many gd people hate asset stealing is because many think effort is indicative of a level's quality, so stealing assets feels like cheating to them. I wish people cared more about the context and ideas behind the level
glad you agree bro🔥🫡
honestly (sorry that i didnt watch the whole video) i would only hate on these levels if they didn't have any effort taken into making them, like if you were able to pump out 3 of these in a week and they were all being rated/featured/epic because then its just a low effort content farm
edit: ok thats exactly what you said but yea the id only be mad at these levels if the only intention was to get creator points
Watched the whole video! Just wanna say thanks for covering the topic in a way that doesn't just say "bad" "worst trend" or words to that meaning. I've got some things to comment on so here they are:)
I just wanna say as well that I'm not on twitter or any other socials except discord and RUclips, so people can make whatever posts they want and only hear one person's perspective.
I think when it comes to morals, I want to make something very clear. I don't make these levels for creator points, or for downloads, or any of that. I make them because I genuinely love the game "Dancing Line" and I want to keep it alive through geometry dash. That has always been the goal and the purpose of these levels. I also want to point out that the level remakes were voted on by the players, so to hear that so many of them don't like remakes is a bit hypocritical... I mean what do you expect?
● Dancing Line, Dashing Line, Typhoon and all of my upcoming levels don't reuse assets
Let's address tidal line first. Yes it reuses assets. Yes I did not contact OniLink for permission. Yes it shouldn't have been featured (but again, that's a problem with the rate system and not with me) Despite what people say, the level is far from lazy, it took me 2 painstaking weeks to build and easily like 50 hours in the editor working between a full time job and wanting to make yt videos upload daily. It was hard.
I gave credit to Oni and Zoink at the end screen and in the description of the level and the video. The reusing of assets wasn't to rip off the level, it was to make the level more faithful to the original, that's what remakes are all about:)
Next up is Line Circles, this took a couple of assets such as the iconic diagonal structures with 2 spikes, and I turned them into 3d, nothing major. It also took the gray background which I could've easily made but chose not to. I want to just quickly mention all of the nine circles RATED remakes as well that literally take the drop and turn it a different colour... I just took the drop and made it 3d, again nothing unusual for the nine circles remakes category, I wanted to make it exactly the same while also making it equally as chaotic!
ReLinE literally just took a few pixel art aliens, everything else was made by me. Don't see any huge issues here 🙃
Linegregation took the same block design and structures, and made them 3D, It hasn't been rated yet and I don't think it will be, but yeah, we'll see.
I also just want to note that if the original creators have an issue with any of my levels and the taken assets, its completely within their right to contact me and we can sort something out (even if it means a take down)
They all know where to find me and haven't contacted me yet, so yeah.
Again, thanks for covering the video in a more open minded way and discussing the issue as a whole rather than singling out one creator, as there's plenty of other creators who have much more cp and have blatantly copied entire levels let alone just assets. I don't condone any sort of stealing if you aren't going to do something unique with it, and I've made something completely original with the assets and haven't just out right stole them for a free cp farm.
thanks 4 watching hahahaha but yeah i really don’t think these levels are very problematic as you can tell by the video hopefully and i’m glad to hear U don’t make them to farm creator points lol.. i think many people myself included thougut this just because of the repetitive nature and the fact so many people create for creator points lol. but even if that’s not true my larger point was to talk abt creator point creating and i hope you did not mind me using ur levels for example x)
i really just wanted to use these levels to bring up a larger discussion about asset reuse and the rate system and all that, i really could’ve done it with any levels but these were rly hot with this tweet going around and it was topically relevant so… hope u don’t mind ur levels used as a big example lmfao
keep creating bro!
@norkbork Don't mind at all, they weren't used in a negative manor, more of a tool to show a larger issue with the rating system and community's opinions on asset reusing
@@Sp4rce hi
@@Sp4rceI think the levels are cool but you should probably get permission before directly taking assets from now on
@@Sp4rce Hey bro, if you're reading this and plan to make more levels, can you please make them practice mode compatible? and also maybe try to make the gameplay sync a bit better? thanks
I feel like "stealing" assets only becomes problematic if it causes harm to the original work. I believe these line levels are clearly meant to promote the original levels, and are a funny way to connect community together.
Great video, very well thought out and respectful :)
good perspective! i think that’s another good way to think about it
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"Popular mobile game" These words literally melted my heart, as a Dancing Line player I thought that this game was dead and inactive... Thank you
hell yeah :D
I dont really hate the levels just the fact that tidal line got featured above tidal wave getting star rate.
Lol thats funny
Because one is a normal level, and the other is a recreation
because you could potentially beat tidal line and not the other. Maybe gameplay also matter idk.
@@mjdevlog yeah but its so weird lol
@@user-hs7hw6hq7w and there were already two of those recreation levels rated pretty sure by the same guy
Why do people hate these levels? As an OG Dancing Line player from 2017, these levels hit me with a wave of nostalgia. People should stop getting so heated over little things like this.
the hell why is this attracting so many people
yea i agree w/u to an extent, but also i think the discussion around them brings up interesting thoughts abt our creating space that we can dive into… which was kinda my thing with this video
@@norkbork yeah i agree that the creating system is really flawed in terms of the levels that do and dont get rated
GD community is mostly kids and far-left, both of which have a hard time forming a original thought
the biggest issue I have with them is that the charting is not that good
a… tidal wave of nostalgia?
Gotta love how it ended up being an accidental critique on mega corporations valuing profit over morality
20:04 I love that "IN FI NI TY" by AudieoVisual is up there and you say you don't know if those levels are repetitive. For context, the level infinitely repeats itself until the player finds one of a few secret exits, allowing them to win.
Great video btw, I found this stuff really interesting and it was presented in a really nice way. I honestly agree with all of your points here. Thanks for making this!
HAHAHA
Who else is here in 2017?!
ROFL
EVIL ROBTOP
I remember watching this in 2010.
NOOOO WHAT DEMON HAS POSSESSED YOU THIS TIME D:
@@BakrumenGD I remember watching this in 1984.
"Ah, you're finally awake"
The main issue I have with line levels is that dancing line is its own concept and should be used to make original deco on top of, not necessarily used as a base to put other levels' designs onto, solely because its a 'dancing line' version. Even though platformer levels play very differently to normal levels (like dancing line levels), I feel like more people would have a problem with, say, a 'congregation but platformer' level. I wouldn't mind its existence so long as it doesn't get rated. If it did though, why would anyone try to make anything new for creator points when they can take an already popular level and turn it into a different type of game?
The first one was good, after that it just became a trend for easy rates, i really liked the original mobile game tho, played it a while ago
Yeah
these levels take a shit ton of effort, definetely not "easy rates"
On the second part, I do want to see you elaborate on how much power creators can have over others making remakes/reusing assets before it becomes a legitimate issue. Because the first thing that came to my mind is how people frown upon Disney for taking down projects that reuse their assets is frowned upon, while these same people don't do the same for GD levels.
great points and great presentation
btw the hard part about creator consent is determining what ideas taken from a level require creator consent. for example, using the same basic blocks as someone else is generic enough; that block combination doesnt "belong" to them. but using a structure design from them could land you in gd jail. like you said, where do you draw the (dancing) line?
yeah i agree it is a hard thing to define…. i think for me, i’d really only apply all that to direct asset and/or concept reuse, cus otherwise it’s kinda nonsense to expect people to seek out credit. but again, if you’re quietly stealing things ur already breaking my ✨rules🤪
Fire video it was fun watching.Your videos never disappoint.I really like the typhoon its original and it also has normal gp.The other levels were good at first but now they are getting boring linegregation introduced the dual and i really liked it it looked notjing like the other levels.These are the three best line levels imo:The typhoon,Linegregation and Dashing line i really like those three levels.
thanks very much! glad you enjoyed . and i like the typhoon as well!
@@norkbork Excited to see what bangers youll make this summer
@@XtnctGD my plan is to at least make one (1) video Maybe more! who knows!
@@norkbork You should talk about crimson days and its message in your new vid and what could have happened to the guy who made the level
It's the nine circles drama all over again. it went full circle.
Did it go full nine circle? (please laugh)
I don’t feel like problematic ruined the game. Yes it contributed to the nine circles level craze, but I found the level to be inoffensive and quite enjoyable.
LMFAO
I know you probably won't see this, but thanks for using my drawing at 1:45! I was really happy with how it turned out, especially since i made it during class. Also, good arguments in the video, I'd say i agree with almost everything.
LMAO np
Great video! However, there is one small thing that I have to say about the two types of creators, those who do it for digital status and those who do it to create beautiful art, but there is also a third type of creator, those who create for fun and to enjoy themselves, and while they can also fit into either of those two categories before, they can also not fit into either of those two, and they just create because they want to. Not every creator either wants creator points or wants to make beautiful art, some just do it because it’s fun.
true! i would argue tho that theyre more on the end of doing it for the art yknow? even if they arent trying to make it beuatiful theyre having fun making artwork yk
@@norkbork yeah, I do think that most creators do it for the art in the end, but some of them like Krmal were just having a laugh and some fun while getting rated levels and creating interesting art at the same time.
@@kia_the_car yes exactly
i also saw this show up on twitter before watching, and im interested in hearing your take! i watch both you and aerma and it's intriguing to follow different perspectives.
I think a new rating or badge (like the copy or 80k+ objects one) should be added that signifies the use of borrowed assets or ideas from other levels, and i think these levels should be judged more harshely on wether they get creator points.
This would solve a lot of issues and dissincourage the use of assets.
Also, if the creator of the original assets/ideas asks so, the rating/badge should be removed.
also also, sorry for my bad english, it isnt really my first language and i have a problem with seplling some of the words so forgive me im not dumb i swear
Your english is great, don't worry, I can very easily understand what you're trying to say
I also agree with your point!
@@scrmblguy thanksssss
The thing about creator permission, I don't think it should be a requirement, rather a bypass. If the original creator says it's completely OK, then you don't necessarily have to follow the rules outlined in the video. If the original creator says they don't want their assets reused, then even if you follow these rules, you shouldn't do it.
If the creator green-lights it, then do whatever, if the creator denies it, don't do it at all, if the creator doesn't say anything, try to follow these rules.
agree!
Geometry Dash Twitter when they don't have drama to talk about for 0.782 milliseconds:
youtube commenters when there is a topic that represents a larger discussion about rate standards and asset reuse and actually has depth to explore but still feel the need to complain about everything and are actually more frustrating than any gd twitter drama with a real substantive discussion behind it:
@@norkborkreminds me of those people who defended thinking spaces rate
@@norkbork youtube repliers when they take stupid joke comments so seriously:
Nothing can ruin something unless you make it ruin it for you. Honestly I don't really like these line levels but they are a fun gimmick keeping the game alive because of the creative ideas they bring fourth.
agree!
ye
dang, a whole upload from something i said? that's pretty neat :3 here's my response to the things you say:
- i agree that taking inspiration from others' levels is fair game. i mean, that's all art, it's essentially impossible to make something truly original. I'm alright with blatant copying and pasting, IF the original creator gave consent to this. otherwise, it is theft, even if credit is given. not every creator wants their assets reused, and that should be respected. remaking decoration in your own style? totally good. stealing? bad. that's my opinion anyways. i should also note that this is specifically for RATED levels. if none of the line levels were rated, i wouldn't really care-but being given stars and the stamp of approval by robtop is a big deal.
- i also think that it's noteworthy that while the line levels are clearly styled after others' levels, the fact that assets are straight-up copied and pasted is not clear. I'm sure many people aren't aware of this. even i originally thought that sp4rce was remaking the deco from scratch, only using others' deco as reference and inspiration.
- i actually do think the line levels are quite cool. i just wish sp4rce got permission to copy and paste assets, and again, without permission they should not be rated.
- regarding demon mixes: this is such an old and widely-accepted form of level that I'm bias to say that it's different. it is extremely clear they're copied from the original source. but this is really subjective imo, i could honestly go either way here. it FEELS different but logically i am not sure.
- regarding nine circles levels: copying a simple pulsing effect fees very different to me than copying assets, and i don't think that can reasonably be kept to oneself. that's like if the inventor of spawn loops got mad at others for "stealing" spawn loops, right?
- on my perspective limiting creativity: for one, i do not believe asset reuse is fundamentally wrong-i believe that it is wrong without the consent of the original creator. if OniLink had been asked beforehand, i would have zero issue with tidal line. two-i think the congregation jumpscare example is a great counterexample. it's blatantly copied and pasted, but it's funny, and it would seem silly for Presta to get mad about this. i have no issue with congregation jumpscares, and honestly I'm having a hard time finding the true difference. I'll have to think more on that, i don't have a clear conclusion on this point and it seems my ethical beliefs are contradictory.
- on remakes: again, it's basically impossible to make art without stealing some ideas. plus, generally, remaking a level comes from a place of love for the level. making a remake involves taking some ideas, merging them with your own ideas, and creating something new based on this. that isn't theft at all, in my opinion.
- i do not care that the line levels are repetitive. i don't know what goes into making one, so i can't confidently claim they're low-effort, but either way i don't really care. I've always maintained that creator point farming is just how some people enjoy engaging with GD, and that's cool by me.
(no ill will towards you norkbork by the way, this was a good and thought-provoking video)
EDIT: just read sp4rce's comment. he seems like a reasonable guy with good intentions, so i have no hate towards him either. i still think tidal line should be unrated (unless he does work something out with onilink) but I'm happy to hear he's working on more original stuff.
thanks for your comment :) obviously i’ve already said most of my piece in my video so i don’t have a ton to say but i’m rly glad to see you weighing in too and giving your thoughts on all this in a more detailed manner. i think this is an important topic and my video just aimed to give my perspective and get others thoughts cus i don’t have all the answers, and get people talking abt this stuff, cus your tweets kinda brought it to my mind x) and i’m glad there’s no hard feelings i have no disrespect to U either lol and i hope it did not feel offensive to you or your opinions or anything!
@@norkbork
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My only problem about the Line levels is the fact that some of the clicks are so awkwardly placed (especially the parts where sync is the most satisfactory there would be no click there).
Creator points have always been fundamentally flawed as the updates came out and I think it may possibly just be worth disregarding. I literally do not care anymore bout the rate system. If it gets better, good on them but putting everything to the rate system is kinda foolish. Personally I never had any problems with any of the trends (including the line trend). They still take two existing ideas, merge em together, put the work in to create something fun or funny with their own skill. Remakes are fine as well, I see those levels rather as one idea and someone else putting their vision. Keeping it faithful to the original is even harder to do imo.
Robtop already made this game grindy as it is, I don’t blame farming for creator points. I think regardless of the problems with the game, inherently there is much good that comes with it and its worth acknowledging that this game is fun to create in if you just allow it to be.
i agree, we should get rid of creator points lol
As a former Dancing Line player from 2017-2020, I always thought that DL recreations in GD was a great way to make the game popular again, and also for some reason not a lot of people are taking about Dancing Line finally getting new levels after over 3 years of not getting new content, although it's not as popular and comparing the wait to 2.2 is not even a comparison tbf.
Btw what do you think of Dancing Line?
I remember watching your drama video a while back, nice to see you're back and making videos! (even if this is a one-off)
The thing I hate about those dancing line levels is that they dont even sync with the music AT ALL. I tried playing and it just felt so underwhelming
Bro finally found the sticky note with his password
True
I see your point and agree for the most part, despite what I expected coming into this video. I do however have some problems with your stance as a creator. First of all, these line levels (especially ones on the more detailed side like tidal line) have absolutely no reason to blatantly steal assets when they can be inspired by and made by hand. You are stealing someone else's work without their permission and then using it for less work in your own level. However, I can see how the line might become more fuzzy with things like the nine circles remake where there's not really another option than to reuse the designs.
I am very uncomfortable with the idea of someone using assets I hand crafted for my own level, to be stolen and used for theirs. Even if this is, like you said, to pay homage to my own level. I would never accept someone blatantly stealing my block designs or anything like that. However, my stance on no asset stealing has it's own issues. For example I use font packs for my own levels for, seemingly the same issues I mentioned, taking someone else's work and putting it in my own level for the benefit of me. But I think the difference is these font packs are uploaded volunatarily and are made specifically for other people to use and copy, whilst the vast majority of levels are made to produce a piece of art unique to them.
This is a very complex issue that can't just outright be one way or the other. Asset stealing is entirely not allowed or it is allowed. There has to be nuance, and I think it's very important that creators are considered since they are the ones being affected. I think the best solution would be to get creator permission if it isn't already previously allowed (such as font packs), otherwise it would be unfair towards the creator getting their own work stolen for what is basically a level reusing a concept and stealing your idea with very little change
The other issue I have is the comparison of remakes and asset stealing, and I think these are very different. Taking inspiration from a concept or design is amazing because it builds off a great idea and extends it with your own nuances and interpretations. Stealing assets does NOT do this, it blatantly copies without any nuance or change. These two are entirely different, one is building off a concept but doing your own thing (in most cases) while one is just stealing.
Overall I think this video was good and your point was well versed, I just wanted to point out these issues because I personally have zero tolerance for my assets being taken. And I also want to say that my stance was definitely a bit changed from when I started
yeah i agree w most of what you said, it’s why i said that if creators see it and they don’t like it they should have full rights to tell the person to change their level. i also wanna say again that i wasn’t saying they’re the same as lebel remakes but it’s the progression of that thought, not that it’s the same. just that it does end up going down a more creatively restrictive mindset. but tysm for the great comment, ur types of comments are why i make these :) i don’t have all the answers and i say what i see and think but that’s why i make these videos to create discussion
I ain’t reading allat 💀
comparing it level remakes feels a bit far fetched, this is more about the stolen assets then ideas. Taking ideas is fine but stealing assets from another level and copy/pasting them throughout the level with little to no original deco is where the problem lies. These levels barely have any original deco.
i mean i thought i explained as clearly as i coild that they’re not equivalent and they’re just in the same school of thought
came back to gd recently and was sad that you quit, then thought of ur channel again and theres a new vid
Mycrafted AND norkbork comebacks what a great summer
The gd community is getting fed good
Really good takes! I had basically the same thoughts when I saw the complaints people had about the line levels. The one part where you lost me a little bit was your thoughts on creator point farming. I have been making gd levels for 7 years, and i think there's a lot more that pushes people to create than just creator points, the main thing being just the general attention your levels receive. The nexus uploads Sp4rce is getting, along with the fact that even their unrated line levels are easily hitting 10k downloads are probably making them want to continue making line levels just as much, or more than them receiving a rate. My point is that I don't really think it's fair to make the statement that the creation of these levels is tied to what robtop rates, or the creator points system.
yea i agree with ur last point i think creator point farming is not as big as a deal as i made it out to be lmfao and i think it is a thing but i def couldve given more dimension to it and not painted it as such an extreme. in my mind its a spectrum and i said that for like one sentence but i really shouldve expanded upon that more! thanks for ur comment :)
I agree with some points you’ve said but I want to address something that I think was the original tweets intention.
Blatant asset reuse is obviously bad and while the utility of the assets are different I still think so, look at natural disaster and woodkid.
What creators should be doing is looking to vit12. His series on making a demon mix might seem unoriginal, but he actually cared to acknowledge that he shouldn’t copy and he put his own twist on it.
In my opinion, just making the style 3D doesn’t constitute a difference enough. I think that sparce should’ve adapted the style of tidal wave and congregation to make something they could actually say was their original work.
No hate to you or sparce, I just think that this plays a greater role in the original arguments.
My thoughts are that if others have taken the asset and no one says anything or if you have permission, you can use the asset.
This is actually inspired by a mobile game called Dancing Line developed by Cheetah Mobile, and a pretty creative idea to me.
He mentioned that in the video
Omg alex whyr u here lol
Honestly pretty good video here
While im not really a fan of how many of these are being made right now I could just ignore them and let them exist because at the end of the day, its not like theyre the spawn of the the devil or that they will ruin geometry dash or somethin, Very interesting insight brah
i think there's also another way to look at it. going off of how there were separate discernable/categorizable frorms of originality talked about in this video, i feel as if extending that thinking could help this discussion. to me, these dancing line levels are original in the sense that they had never been done before. they all had some sort of work put in: work was needed to make the gameplay system work in the first place; work was needed to purposefully arrange assets and decoration, no matter if they were stolen or not; nobody did it before Sp4rce did. this is a weird analogy, but think of those tik tok fan edits of shows/movies. the characters were not made by the person who posted the content, the images and video being used was not made by them, the music used in the edit was not made by them, etc., but the reason we can appreciate the editor's work is that they meld these prefabricated elements to express themselves; even if the content is not "their original art", the presentation or expression can be.
and in the end, i still think all of this conflict is due to the percieved importance of the rate system. if someone put your art on a t shirt and sold it, thats an issue. you did the bulk of the work, but now a second party is using your work, applying less time/effort/emotion than you did while making said art, and is using your art for personal gain, all while you're left with no profit due to lack of credit. however, if that same someone made the t shirt not as a commercial product but as a personal belonging, its a way to show appreciation for the original art, and even the art of making clothing. same with the tik tok edits i mentioned earlier: their purpose is to show appreciation for the editing artform and the source content. basically this boils down to a "capitalism ruined art" argument.
in the end, if Sp4rce didn't get any creator points, then those who take issue with the levels would just see the work as a fun project Sp4rce made for themselves and others.
really really good points. thank you for this comment, i agree with everything you say. 👩🎓
ur're welcom 🧒
You explained this like a teacher and maybe that sounds like a bad thing but its actually great! You took others opinions and yours and tell people what's Wrong/Right about them (even though they really cant be right/wrong since they are THEIR opinion) and I LOVE IT!
thank u sm! glad it was clear to you and informative!
i literally played typhoon today and i hated it because the "activate on release" just completely sucks imo
I completely agree, as someone who used to play Dancing line and then forgot about it. I can say that these levels really do bring some nostalgia, and I agree that the CP farm thing is just a problem with the rating system.
love to see you back, i did notice you liked my reply to aerma's post⠀;)
before watching the video i would like to say with an unmodified opinion: yes they are
Honestly, I agree with the whole "reusing assets is fine just give credit and make it your own" thing. All of Sp4rce's dancing line levels after the first one clearly do this in basically every way, and there was definitely a lot of effort that went into the levels. Besides, if you're remaking a level like tidal wave into dancing line form, it's kind of challenging to make it still very recognizable as tidal wave and also make it completely unique. The whole goal of the level is just to make a cool remake that people can enjoy. Plus, all gameplay gets stale at some point. You could say that robtop stole assets from other levels and failed to change it by not making the gameplay original, especially in the first 7 or so levels due to the fact that it didn't change very much. (sorry for yap fest just kinda wanted to share my opinion even if it's basically the same things you said.)
nah don’t be sorry bro this video is abt sharing thoughts and discussion :)
ayyy welcome back, happy to see another upload from you after so long
thx!
I think, this may just be another trend that comes and goes. Remember when people thought that ‘1.0 style’ and ‘low object’ levels were bad and were killing creativity? Nowadays, no one pays them any mind, and they are never an issue anymore.
i def agree lol they won’t be a long term thing but i was more just using them as a tool to talk about larger concepts and discussion about our creating space/asset reuse/the rate system :p
how did u get that image in high quality ??!?!
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qhat did i think when i saw problematic
i thought green
yea I’m a creator everything I make uses copied shit. custom objects, inspirations, gradients, everything. also I have 6 rated levels and all of them use assets I took from other levels and have been using for years. I don’t build for rates anymore but still I always look in the editor at other levels to learn
When you said it’s been a YEAR since your last upload, I was shocked. I thought it came out maybe 7 or so months ago, time flies 😂
honestly feels the same to me i was kinda shocked it had been so long
in my personal opinion there shouldn't be any copy/pasting from other people's levels at all in rated levels. this is different to having inspired deco or a level remake. you can still pay tribute to other levels without copy/pasting from it.
Norkbork: before you send hate read this.
Me: OMG THE GUY UPLOADED
another thing about the dancing line levels is that the sync is HORRIBLE, even though dancing line is literally a rhythm game that has much better sync than these levels.
I hate watching argumentive videos so dont get mad at me if i mentioned something you already covered in the video
These line levels are driving me crazy, not because they are repetitive, since in that case, just dont play it, i mostly hate how people are playing those line levels rather than the original, some people didnt know about tidal wave and knew about tidal line im not even joking, and the fact that its all stolen bugs me out even more
the thing i hate the most is that its just line, like its not anything special, its just tap tap tap, play the original dancing line instead, its way more fun, and ive beaten all the levels so trust me with this one, wheras this sp4rce guy is just stealing other peoples deco in the worst way possible and making unfun gameplay with them embarassing the original creators of the deco
the thing thats genuinely annoying about the repetitive gameplay is that people are proud that sp4rce made a line level just for a creator contest that they immediately made him win despite the lame and repetitive gp just because its a line level, yes he won $50 in a cc when i was supposed to win it, he even broke a rule but they didnt care and made him win anyways
another thing is the fact that tidal line got featured and tidal wave recieved a rate only, yeah these levels arent supposed to be rated, its stealing assets and using them stupidly over just tap tap tap tap its not fun at all, instead of people recognizing other cool creators in the awarded tab or anything, they just focus at sp4rce level, and, lemme tell you something, he isnt the first person to make a line level, he was the first person to make a decorated line level, but it was stolen anyways, i dont know who made a dancing line fanmade in gd first, but i made one before 2.2, i want this dancing line bs to end ong
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So are we just gonna ignore the fact that this is the first norkbork geometry dash video in 15 months???
Absolute nothingburger drama
disagree! the levels dont really matter for sure but this was about the discussion they provoke, which is really important. talking about community asset reuse and guidelines as well as our rating system and creator points is a very relevant discussion and one we should have and continue to have. not rly sure what ur talkin abt but uhh yeah!
also its really not drama, its a discussion about larger issues. sooo yeahhhh idk if u like actually watched the vid but...
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whenever a new trend starts in the gd community or someone that doesn't have 5 million creator points decides to touch the editor, instantly harrassed and doxxed.
Rare norkbork upload? Insane.
I think onilink put it pretty well where he tweeted that the tidal line got featured immediately while tidal wave took so long to rate while they both have the same assets and decoration. I dont think its really this guys fault but rather how flawed the rate system really is
yeah, extremes are rated with harsher rate standards
This video is so nostalgic. I first watched it in 2024
my line is that it has to be either
A: a small reference or a joke,
B: given permission by the level creator
If the creator asks you to remove it, no matter what, you must remove it.
hmmm wait an imformative and thought provoking video that has actually swayed my opinion and definition of asset reuse :O very good video!!
glad to hear !!! i’m glad you enjoyed ! :D
These levels are annoying. And also Sp4rce is milking the nexus channel
İ hate
I think Sp4rce is underrated.
"The gameplay gets quite repetitive"
um, that's just wave but vertical. Wave could also be seen as repetitive if it wasn't made challenging and varied. The gameplay in the dancing line levels are still quite basic since player are new mode, making it feel repetitive.
Though maybe being the only one gamemode for the entirety of the level does contribute to the repetitiveness. Sp4rce's most recent (and upcoming) level the typhoon for example, only switch to this gamemode once in a while, which is quite refreshing to see.
Amazing video and opinions though.
yeah i mean it wasn’t meant to be a serious insult but like yeah by nature the levels are repetitive and like that is just a fundamental truth. in gd levels people do expect gameplay variety that is one of the big things people care about but i mean obviously it’s just the nature of these levels’! also i saw the typhoon and i thought the ending bit was rly refreshing, i totally agree the mix was really neat.
He's returned!! Loved watching your vids when you still posted often over 3 years ago.
i legit thought this was related to problematic by dhafin when i saw the thumbnail
The dashing line level was cool but it fell off so hard, it felt like they were making it for quantity rather than quality
my opinion on the line levels is that the first few were cool but it got repetitive quick
gonna be honest, although I really don't like levels like this, they aren't really doing anything wrong. gd has always functioned this way fundamentally with people taking ideas and designs from other levels. creators can straight up copy challenges/ideas or parts of congregation for coin routes and nobody cares 💀
people only care when unique ideas like this get a shiny star value under them. if these line levels weren't rated literally no-one on twitter would be complaining. so petty
I'd actually argue against what you said in part 2 with creator consent. unless their designs have a tm next to or a happy little circle with a c in it, their intellectual property isn't actually... property and they have no rights over it. people aren't out here getting patents over geometry dash block designs. there is a point where you don't want to be doing it with the sole intent of being malicious, but I also don't think people have any obligation to take down levels or ask permission to use assets that aren't actually "owned" by the original creator
it’s just a moral thing to me, and that’s how i’d like to see our community work, to give respects to creators. but i def see your point, it is def a more debatable part of the discussion :p
problematic is a classic nine circles level made by dhafin. hope this helps!
I know some are already getting tired of these line levels. But as a dancing line fan , seeing these levels makes me very happy. Hope this debate won't discourage others from making these kinds of levels
i hope not either :) i mean i def think that they have. a lot of potential esp with original levels and i was def not trying to say they shouldn’t exist :)
Idk why people have a problem with creator point farming, it’s literally just another stat. Telling a creator that they can only create epic worthy masterpieces is like telling a star or demon grinder that they can only beat extreme demons
Norki remembered his password and WE’RE HERE FOR IT
what infuriates me more is how nobody even knows the origins of these line levels. they are VERY clearly inspired by the now deleted mobile game; dancing line. similar to these line levels, though predating them, is a game where you have to tap the screen for a long line to switch direction. I am disappointed that nobody knows about this yet since that deleted mobile game has been my childhood
Wait dancing line got removed?
@@SirK_ on android yeah
I like to separate the topic into original level mode and unoriginal asset
Can’t wait for next year’s video! 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
norkbork make two videos in one year impossible challenge
I can pretty much agree, if we have the opinion like Aerem, then Crimson Planet is stolen from Bloodlust.
It started as an original minigame level, but then the creator just started milking it for easy rates.
The simple answer to any question related to "are these levels ruining xyz", no they aren't. Levels will be popular if they fit what the gamers want, thats it. Large majority of creators and players still want to play normal geometry dash levels so they just treat these as gimmicks, its literally just more content. You can choose to engage in it or not
obviously they arent ruining anything lol its just a title for clicks hahaha the real discussion in the video is what actually matters, about asset reuse morality and rate standards
Oh wow new upload for over a year now wtf
I can confirm that those levels are not problematic, because no level will ever come close to capturing even a bit of problematic's essence and spirit, the wonderful message it portrays. No level will ever be the same as problematic.
The root of the problem comes from the fact that levels made for digital status are getting more recognision than those made because of a passion for art. Time spent playing line levels could have been spent playing something that was made for the latter reason. Im not here to dismiss thinking the line levels are unnecessary because of this. Its not little children getting angry, its pretty justified.
As for the tweet, id like to think aerma had these thoughts i just described that wanted to get out there, but just couldnt find a way to communicate them, so she just ended up using the "stealing assets" as a shield, even though thats not what was really annoying her about these levels. It is very normal, when you hate something, but just cant describe why, it is very common to find something unrelated to how you truly feel about it, just so you can justify disliking it.
i don’t really agree, i think that the idea these levels are taking away from anything substantive in the gd creating sphere is a little ridiculous, they are just a few little levels and at the end of the day whos to say what a gd level shoild look like? there’s no reason gd needs to always represent artistic ideals even if that’s personally what i want to see. and, these levels are not impacting the artistic world of gd at all. there is plenty of space to go around in the creating sphere and i argue these levels, by bringing up these discussions about asset reuse in fair manners, actually helps the creative community more than hurts it by giving us clearer guidelines on what could be acceptable, or at least having us talk about it. and that will enable more creativity and care in the future , hopefuly! but again, these levels really are not causing a huge impact and the idea that “time could be spent playing more artistic levels so these are bad” is not something i agree with. there’s no one way to play and make levels in GD, sometimes levels can just be fun and silly and meaningless
@@norkbork i dont disagree with level being silly and meaningless, but there are people who want to find levels that they will find artistically valuable, but when all they find instead is levels that dont interest them, its not gonna leave them very satisfied. You have a finite amount of time in a day, and when you spend more time trying to find levels to appreciate than actually playing them, it can be frustrating looking at these types of levels and thinking "this is not what i want, i dont want to play these levels, but they keep wasting my time".
based as always, i never understood the twitter discourse surrounding these levels since they are clearly transformative enough to offer a new experience
Tbh if they don’t like it than simply ignore it, there are a variety of things that appeal to every person and vividly take inspiration from. Let’s be real there are some levels that just copy and paste but eh
WHAT by Spu7nix has 8 seconds in a row of just stolen assests, and nothing else. Should it be unrated because it has stolen assests? No.
factual.!
new norkbork vid 😍
1:22 their?
how many people Do These
btw i dont have anything against them but if they are copying assets for attmetion, then its REALLY BAD and rob could delete them easily
he came back after so long so randomly
Dancing line mentioned!!! thats instant like for sure
To me, the rating and even featuring of these levels show RobTops double standards when it comes to rating levels. I remember seeing a tweet from OniLink where Tidal Line got a higher rating than Tidal Wave. THAT to me is fundamentally flawed in the rating system. Not so much the level itself, but the rating system giving more praise to a less unique level than its original counterpart. I don't hate these Line levels, but I think they shouldn't get a higher rating than their original levels.
agree, but that just comes down to rob having much harsher standards for extremes. which is a flaw for sure
@@norkbork well yes, and that is one of the big problems with this rating system. You addressing the real issue in this video, which IS the rating system, is a good thing. Great video honestly!
I missed your videos a lot. You're among my favorite GD youtubers out there, as I love these informative and thoughtful videos.
@@zander12 thanks a ton! hopefully i will upload more soon :))
New norkbork video no way