"Mean Girls" did an excellent job of depicting this. Instead of being openly catty, they simply use emotionally manipulation to prey on your doubts and insecurities. Regina is a master at this power play, and Cady even states "In girl world, all of the fighting had to be sneaky."
It’s exactly like that though. Movie is super relatable. I’m in my 30s and experience this crap at work. People insult you but not blatantly. Like, how do I even begin to address that…
@@chanmarr8118malicious compliance and weaponized incompetence are the best paybacks to passive aggressive behavior. People can call it catty or petty, but it is so satisfactory to see their frustration when they don't get what they want out of being awful at you.
Also the opposite trope is rarely shown. But I‘ve found that it’s very common for men to hide their shitty personality traits (like sexism) if they aren’t in a power position where they can fully get away with it or aren’t around other guys. So many women don’t know they’re getting into a relationship with a raging misogynist until they’re deep in. And guys do a really good job at hiding it, it’s impressive. I‘m wondering just now why we were only ever told to watch out for manipulation from women.
I grew up in a home with a man like this and in a weird way it somewhat turned me into a bitch incognito whenever I showed any emotion it was used against me to make me seem crazy or used against me in the long-term to make me seem like a stupid overreactive bimbo I spent so many years trying to prove it wrong to my family and friends envuatually I gave up and leaned into what people thought of me in order to get what I want
@@tierrabutler3577 I‘m sorry you had to go through that. Your reaction sounds like an understandable reaction to the abuse you experienced at home and from your friends. Hope you can soon find a good therapist and new friends where all of your feelings are seen as valid. When we feel fully safe is when we can really let go of our protector parts.
Sarah Michelle Gellar was so entertaining to watch as Kathryn. She should definitely play more antagonistic roles in her career, since she mostly plays protagonists.
It always really pissed me off that Sebastian was portrayed as the misunderstood bad boy with the heart of gold, when he was just as bad as Kathrine. And only had the luck of finding someone that saw the good in him and falling in love. and Kathrine just judged and tossed aside for innocent little Cecile. She really never had the chance tho grow.
If a man SAs , manipulates or hurt women, it's because he is hurt and misunderstood and true love ( preferably by an innocent virgin Mary) can fix him😢 . That movie annoyed the hell out of me .
The most annoying thing is the dangerous liaisons the movie its based on. Actually has the Sebastian character die in a duel based on the results of his own actions. With the implication being he wants to die because he destroyed the women he loved. The movie never excuses his actions or pretends he had a heart of gold. It emphasizes it was never going to end any other way due to his own vanity. While the Kathrine character still gets shamed its clear within the narrative a raging hypocrisy on society's part. A lot of filmmakers don't get the novel was actually judging society for its sexist double standards and high society for its selfish indulgence. Valmont being vile is the point he had the chance to change his ego got in the way and he destroyed every woman around him.
I think Alicent believes too much in her own righteousness and honor to be on this trope. She isn't bending rules by following them just enough so that people think she is good, she actually believes there's a sense on the rules imposed. Even if that means being a bit of maniac from time to time
@@mercuriology45 so is Rhaenyra. Granted she doesn't defend a rapist (which is aparently comforting the victim, making sure she can move on, and hitting the rapist), she is just the rapist herself
Openly hostile mean girls don't seem very "incognito" to me, so I'm thinking more about the ones you don't expect, and these tend to be spoilers, usually: Disney, ever the lovers of the twist reveal, had the villain in The Incredibles 2 and Mother Grothel from Tangled both as bitches incognito. Zootopia even literally went with the "in sheep's clothing" metaphor for theirs. It's a trope that works great in animation. Avatar The Last Airbender utilized this with a sweet old lady, who turned out to be a dangerous blood-bender!
“Focus your rage on the structural problems within society that make women feel like they can only behave in one way if they want success or influence.” Wow, that one quote is what I needed. Being a woman is a blessing yet so complex. It’s hard to even explain as a driven woman how difficult it is in this society to be heard. We have to be constantly aware of everything we do or possibly project. It’s exhausting and sometimes we do take it out on undeserving people. What if we took the “rage” to change the game entirely? I like this!
Iago from Shakespeare’s Othello seems like a male version of this trope given how he pretends to be Othello’s friend while secretly plotting against him.
Which is crazy, since most mothers are horrific people. It’s the most important thing a human being can be…. And literally anyone can just up and decide to do it. Even if they’re going to be horrible nurturers with terrible genes. And they can do it….. with ANYONE. You need more training and licensing to paint nails 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you SO MUCH for including the clip of Mandy Moore whipping the bible and screaming like a banshee, 'I am FILLED WITH CHRIST'S LOVE!' 😂😂😂😂 IMO, Saved is a very underrated film!
@VickiLovesDoctorWho covering up for her rapist of a son and silencing the victim. Attempting to take the eye of a child and well you know the whole abvious treason against the chosen heir...
I've noticed that at times in my life where I've achieved some level of success or power, it suddenly feels like a balancing act of how I express myself because of a deep fear that anything could be interpreted as me being a bitch. But even when I've then overcompensated and tried SO hard to be as nice and lovely and sweet as possible, someone claims to see through it and assumes there's an evil motive. If a women is overly sweet but also in a position of power, it can only be because she's a covert bitch and they'll look for any evidence they can that you're secretly horrible. It is impossible to be a woman.
I'll have to agree with the comments on this but I think it's really a surface-level analyzation to easily shelve Alicent Hightower's duplicity into a Mean Girl Fake Nice Trope. That's pretty disappointing from you guys because while I agree there are aspects here that are applicable to her, it's these types of quick characterizations made solely by one character to another that have us quickly chalking up everything about her morally grey situation. If Alicent is a mean girl so is Rhaenyra? The show takes more than enough time showing how an anxiety-riddled teenager becomes the jaded, resentful Queen she is by experiencing being a cipher in a violent patriarchy. Even then, she's not that mean. Even when she grows angry and cynical over her damaged friendship with Rhaenyra and her marriage to Viserys, Alicent is depicted as being fairly friendly or at the very least courteous to her servants. Apologizing for mistaking names of knights, believing and empathizing with Dyana (this is a very complex moment that the actress and directors have talked about in depth, I suggest people look into those interviews!), telling the bard who was stuck singing the same song over and over for Rhaenyra that he is relieved of his duties. Even to the King the man who is thrice her age and martially raped her (Because, yes, that's what it is) she takes care of him, washes him and clothes, feeds him the mediaeval version of a painkiller when he's at his weakest and is the _only_ character to mourn his death when he passes. Her fake niceties are almost wholly reserved for Rhaenyra, who we know the relationship is very tense with that by the second to last episode is resolved for a brief hopeful moment. Perhaps, if the nice girl is nice or courteous to _everyone_ but fake nice to one person in particular that characterization is enough to throw her right next to Blair Waldorf, Regina George, or Kathryn Merteuil? This isn't even a rhetorical question maybe that really is all it takes??? Yes, Alicent is self-righteous but she, like the many other characters, believe in the feudal patriarchy and doesn't twist or use the patriarchy to her advantage because none of these medieval character are progressive or radical enough to conceptualize a society outside of fiefdom. In fact, the show almost operates using her as a cautionary tragic tale of the thousands of real life women before us who were born and raised in these society that raised them to believe their only value is their womb, a societal conception we are still trying to outbattle today. We have a literal scene of a child telling the King that she will give him great heirs when she is to be bed at 14, the age Alicent was when she was told by her father to _reach out_ to the King, and we don't think that doesn't affect how these female characters view themselves? This is why when characters like Rhaenyra have even the sliver chance of going against the Westrosi values, they try and use it to their full advantage. Of course, the characters who don't feel lucky enough to be in that position show resentment, they're not woke enough to try and mitigate their selfish and myopic feelings. Heck, even in society right now as progressive as we are-- with a whole Barbie Feminist movie making billions-- people are still incredibly reactive and don't consider to think on the bigger picture of things. Look at how people reacted to Amber Heard, and how it takes a year later for people to sit back and retract and think about what they said wrong. We're so eager to punish and box others yet we ourselves are not immune to our own hypocrisy and decide people should know better when they don't. Which is ironically, what they expect from a mediaeval woman who was a child bride. However, I think the most disappointing part of this video is that Alicent Hightower isn't even mentioned at all. It's just clips of Alicent being OWNED™ with no mention of the gaslighting, backstory of graphic child rape teen pregnancies or the abusive manipulative father who put her in this situation in the first place. So if you never watched the show and only know this character from the clips this channel showed you, you'd think she was just another run of the mill Bitch Woman with no reason to behave how she does and not a more complex representation of interrogating victimhood through the emblems of women in our past society who were defined and discarded by men. *Anyway!* If you made it this far to the end of my comment here are a list of tropes (that the Take have done before) that I think fit Alicent Hightower way better: The Neurotic Type A Woman The Wicked Stepmother but subverted. The Nag Trope The Housewife Onscreen The Angry Woman The Pick Me
I think this is my favourite trope. So so so interesting and so realistic. You could really find this type in person not just a made up fictional character.
Umbridge (older pink-dress lady from Harry Potter) does not hide her --inner-- sorry, outer, Big Time Beyotch at all. She barely puts up a show of social nicities, and only does this much to show how superior (mannerly and correct and upper-class) she is. She knows no one buys it, and she isn't concerned with them doing so. She's just using the unspoken social rules to force others into politeness and/or compliance. But she knows that you know that she knows that you know she doesn't mean anything even approaching actual kindness or decency by it.
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In my experience, it's not a troupe, I've witnessed it, and was a victim of it many a time. I won't go into the gory details, but I will say this, Hollywood exaggerates it a lot. At times to an offensive degree, but looking back it could depend on region, the kids/people who use it, or societal norms. It wasn't just girls doing this, guys did this a lot too. It wasn't always a defensive mechanism, just someone wanting to be "cool", this often depends on the ones doing this.
@@flowergirl5336 yesss! As a movie buff I should be ashamed but this was a time when there was a new teen movie every month. I loved her dark turn in that. She was my celeb crush as a kid. She unironically married Freddie Prinze Jr so "Princess Sarah". Movie was original too and didn't follow the tropes of the time. The Rules of Attraction is another gem. Underrated yet fascinating.
She still uses the same toxic femininity tactics and, instead of lashing out at the people who put her in the situation she supposedly hates (her father for literally whoring her out, for one), she lashes out at the "acceptable" target (AKA the other woman her own family wants to demonize so they can steal her inheritance). She basically forces said other woman to go to her the second she gave birth to humiliate her and have a power trip, then when she and her husband come with their baby in tow, said bitch puts on the act of "oh, but you shouldn't have come!" to make herself look good. For fuck's sake, she alluded that she wanted Larys to "do away with" his father and brother so her own father could be Hand again, and then acts like a victim when he decides to straight up murder them. I don't know what to tell you, but that is 100% toxic femininity and the stakes are higher than harassing other girls (which is already bad enough as is and why I want every woman who ever practiced toxic femininity to get their noses broken), it leads to death. If you can't tell that she is, then, at best, you were so privileged that you never had to deal with a toxic feminine bitch (and I envy you, they were my WORST bullies)
That is literally the same descriptions you used in your The Mean girl video. Please elaborate the difference between “The Mean Girl” and “the Bitch Incognito”
Where do all these tropes for various types of women come from? Why do people simply accept them as reflective of reality? Do 'mean girls' and their ilk - which seem to be constant characters even in movies and shows aimed at little girls - actually exist in the real world, or are they figments of Hollywood's imagination? Isn't there a danger of stereotyping and demonizing girls and women by assigning labels to what might be just the normal range of human interaction?
I'm gonna say it, past experience has taught me that this is not just a troupe. Granted it is exaggerated by Hollywood, but there are people, men and women, who do this for shits and giggles. Witnessed it, was a victim of it many a time. Now is there a problem that is connected to the way it is portra6in media, definitely. I think another problem is that some people want desperately to be the "IT whatever" that they don't really care who it makes them look. We an only hope that they do learn and grow from it.
They exist. And being outwardly sweet but secretly mean and conniving *without a real need to be so* isn't just an ordinary, everyday personality-type you might run across. But a serious behavioural problem that their victims get to suffer through. . This, ofc, is not to be confused for those who pretend to be innocent, sweet and demure etc. not because they wish to but because it's socially unacceptable to be confident ("arrogant"), no-nonsense ("b×tchy"), into flings instead of seeking marriage ("slut") and so on *while also being female.* If they were male, they'd not have to pretend, but they aren't. So they're putting on an act simply to achieve the same respect and success freely granted towards men who are equally ambitious -- not because they enjoy others' pain the way the trope'y Mean Girl does.
putting alicent hightower on this list is an odd choice. we see her have agency consistently stripped from her since childhood and none of her kindness is false except somewhat towards rhaenyra after things have boiled over, so to compare her to regina george or kathryn merteuil seems unfair. cersei lannister or maybe maegery tyrell, sure, but what was alicent’s most devious scene? when her father has her unknowingly court her best friends father at 14/15 or the marital r*pe scene ? or the scene where her son loses an eye and she sees her and her children mean nothing to the man she was forced to marry? or where she insisted rhaenyra and her sons be protected after aegon’s coronation even though she spent half her life believing no such favor would be granted her or her children? even when the murder of lyonel and harwin strong is done in her name she does not have a choice or any agency in the matter. i don’t see the argument for her at all
the thing is Cersei never pretend to be a “nice person” Alicent always talks about Duty honor when her actions contradict her words, she always judges Rhaenyra for her life decisions when she herself does a handful pretty of bad things. the moments she does have agency, she does things that she are not right, meanwhile judging other’s decisions. She is too busy resenting Rhaenyra bc of her freedom. Alicent is the perfect example of a victim turned into a perpetrator
@@mercuriology45 Cersei was for sure duplicitous with Sansa for public appearances just like the trope suggests. it’s with a smile n gentle reminders she can’t marry joffrey if her family are traitors that Cersei coerces sansa to sign letters denouncing robb and her father. she gives Sansa a place of honor with her during the battle of blackwater, making her look kind and caring to the high borns, all while whispering to sansa that ser illyn will kill her if the city falls. “the moments she does have agency”, does alicent really have agency if it’s just in “moments”? sure she’s contemptuous of rhaenyra’s life and whispers her complaints to her dad, criston and larys, but she never attempts to actually hurt rhaenyra except for once her son is mutiliated in front of her and she snaps, something she is shown to deeply regret. also don’t really understand you calling her a hypocrite about duty and honor?? she married for her house? duty. stayed true to the marriage vows she was forced to make ? duty and honor. gave both rhaenyra and vaemond an opportunity to defend their claims to driftmark, even though she knows rhaenyra’s sons are illegitimate? honor. caring for the living corpse that took her girlhood? duty & honor. this is not me saying alicent good, rhaenyra bad, i enjoy them both, there’s depths to both and both have definitely suffered differently due to the patriarchal systems in place, but alicent is no fucking regina george.
She still uses the same toxic femininity tactics and, instead of lashing out at the people who put her in the situation she supposedly hates (her father for literally whoring her out, for one), she lashes out at the "acceptable" target (AKA the other woman her own family wants to demonize so they can steal her inheritance). She basically forces said other woman to go to her the second she gave birth to humiliate her and have a power trip, then when she and her husband come with their baby in tow, said bitch puts on the act of "oh, but you shouldn't have come!" to make herself look good. For fuck's sake, she alluded that she wanted Larys to "do away with" his father and brother so her own father could be Hand again, and then acts like a victim when he decides to straight up murder them. I don't know what to tell you, but that is 100% toxic femininity and the stakes are higher than harassing other girls (which is already bad enough as is and why I want every woman who ever practiced toxic femininity to get their noses broken), it leads to death. If you can't tell that she is, then, at best, you were so privileged that you never had to deal with a toxic feminine bitch (and I envy you, they were my WORST bullies)
@@brandenhoyt8926She resents Rhaenyra for simply doing things that other men do. MakeNyra walk right after she just gave birth and before you start saying she didn't have to : in what world would a mother separate herself from a newborn baby with someone who clearly doesn't have best interest for you. Made Heleana marry Aegon knowing his antics. Talks about being puritan but then does the Laris thing , call Rhaenyra children savages when her son is a rapist . Makes Criston Cole faces no repercussions when he killed Laenor lover
@@iside2373 - she resents Rhaenyra for getting her dad fired and lying to her on her death mother's grave.. something she knew Alicent was sensitive to - Its not she couldn't have send Laenor.. and Rhaenyra herself even says Alicent wouldn't do anything to her. - they stabbed out her son's eye - Alicent is not the one who gives punishments .. Viserys decides
@@GoldenRose116 She came to Rhaenyra with an openly disgusted judging energy. Why would Rhaenyra tell the truth to the daughter who literally wants her downfall lol. And again she still made walk right after giving birth i think that's still you know 'doing something' and not obvious with pure intentions. And she knows how Aemma died
It's basically toxic femininity. The other thing that makes this character horrible is that, just like with certain reactionaries, they have reasons to be angry, but instead of lashing out on the people/system that put them in the situation they hate, they lash out at "acceptable targets" (AKA other women who "perform their gender wrong"). THAT is where the "not like other girls" thing came from, as a backlash to THAT toxic femininity and the bitches who use it to bully neuroatypical (especially those of us who can't mask well for long periods of time), fat, ugly, disabled, gender non conforming/butch, non-white, or/and obviously non-straight girls. I kind of hate that it's turned into a critique when many of the "not like other girls" really aren't like the mainstream girls and get punished for it. Especially since the lashing out at femininity doesn't last long, even if feminine pursuits/looks/hobbies are just not their thing. Meanwhile, toxic femininity is still going strong among adults and the women who started shit with me all used those same bullshit tactics. It takes a lot of soul searching or happenings for someone who uses toxic femininity to to just stop with that nonsense.
@@jaybirdjetwings7516she definitely is, she likes to portray herself as this person with morals and better than everyone but at the end of the day, is willing to do horrible things ro achieve her goals as we see
@@jaybirdjetwings7516 she likes to portray herself as this woman who cares abt the smallfolk others, but we literally see her go against her so called “morals” when its on her benefit
Why in the world does this video use Knives Chau as an example of "the terrible original girlfriend who treats him terribly?" Knives isn't bad in any way. She's not a mean girl, not a bitch. Plus, Scott Pilgrim isn't even a rom com.
Is it impressive how they manipulate and mistreat others through enough charisma and sneakiness? Yes. Is it okay? No. There's nothing to envy from someone who feeds from stepping on others.
For me Regina George it's just a bored untreated narcisistas woman like canonically all my narcissist ex girl friends fav people (cause I have BPD) fall in that archetype also, Janis is the other side of the coin yes a mean girl too and soft shell narcisist but functional 😊
the people in the comments saying Alicent doesn’t fit here it’s funny but she definitely does. She is a woman who portrays herself as morally superior than others(she isn’t) and spends her time resenting her ex best friend bc she didnt suffer as much as she did
Alicent was forced to marry a man old enough to be her father, suffered through *years* of marital rape, and had to raise their children on her own when she was still a child herself because Viserys didn't give a shit, not even when one of those children was literally mutilated. Rhaenyra wanted that same child to be tortured for speaking the very, very, *very* obvious truth that everyone already knew. Alicent was forced to follow all the rules of their society and it made her entire life miserable, while Rhaenyra is allowed to break all of those same rules. Yeah, I can't imagine why Alicent would be resentful about any of this.
@@idab9958 which still is a shitty argument that you are using. you said it yourself, Alicent follows these rules, not because she wants to but bc she is forced tho, her wanting to condemn another woman for being allowed to have more freedom is simply too harsh. Also wanting to bring the so called “torture” on rhaenyra when Alicent seperated a child from her new born baby, insulted Rhaenyra’s kids, sold her feet to Larys, they burned a house full of people. If you think that Alicent’s actions are correct, simply because she was a victim then that tells me me a lot how yall are with women in real life who don’t follow patriarchal standards. Rhaenyra is the princess and heir, of course her privilege compared to Alicent is bigger, not to mention that men in that society are allowed to do more..
@@mercuriology45 Please, do remind me where exactly I said that all of Alicent's actions are correct. My point was that she has good reason to be resentful, not that she never does anything wrong. 1) Alicent had nothing to do with Larys's murder of Harwin and Lyonel. She says, and I quote, "I did not wish for this", to which Larys responds "I feel certain you will reward me." He's blackmailing her. Same goes for the feet thing. (Also, you think Alicent showing Larys her feet is worse than asking for a child to be tortured? Seriously?) 2) Alicent was not insulting Rhaenyra's child. She was pointing out the extremely obvious fact that Rhaenyra's children are not Laenor's which, again, everyone can already see. (No, it was not right to ask to see the child immediately after he was born. Remind me where I said it was.) 3) Yes, Rhaenyra has more privilege than Alicent. She uses that privilege to do fuck all except commit high treason by trying to make her obviously illegitimate child inherit the Iron Throne. That's a crime in Westeros. Remember how Cersei doing the same thing helped spark a bloody civil war? Yes, men get away with worse. Yes, that sucks. But being the future ruler also comes with a responsibility toward the country you seek to rule to not take actions that could endanger the country, and yet that is exactly what Rhaenyra does, even though she should know better. Alicent is not a bad person for pointing that out, or for resenting Rhaenyra because of her blatant disregard for her duty.
@@idab9958 Rhaenyra has a gay husband who she couldn’t have children with, her children are legally legitimate whether yall like it or not, even fire and blood points it out as not being a problem. Alicent spents her time feeding hate onto her children, of Rhaenyra calling her children “beasts” when she has her own rapist son LMAOO. that doesn’t matter, Alicent knew all the shit larys did but never once did she try to accuse him, what Alicent is doing is treason, she knows what larys does(literally has killed people) yet she guards him, so treason only matters when Rhaenyra does it amirite??(showing once again your hypocrisy in your argument). Alicent praises about duty and sacrifices yet her actions go completely against what she preaches. Most of Rhaenyra’s lack of “duty” that you say is having “illegitimate”children which mind you they are legally legitimate. Even Cersei’s kids are legally legitimate. in terms on westeros legality. not to mention that Rhaenyras children, they are inheriting FROM RHAENYRA. Alicent is being completely unfair for wanting a woman to suffer in the same system that SHE HERSELF IS A victim of, that just shows yall act with women who dare to disobey patriarchal norms
I prefer the reverse of this trope. The “mean” girl who is only mean as a defense mechanism to protect herself from being hurt/taken advantage of. That’s who I had to become, growing up as an introverted and soft-hearted Black girl wasn’t easy.
I don't think the right way is to targeg rage tonsystematic issues. That's not how civilized people should behave. Politics needs to be approached with cold head and strong arguments. Rage should be transferred tonsafe outlets that will help to transfer distructive force into something good. Sports would be a great way to do that. I don't think that males or females should express rage in everyday setting if they feel like it. And passion that is often a drive behind femenine rage needs to be channeled to the benefit of the person and not to please or object to society.
here is a trope that the take will never take becouse its too close to a real life problem that its better to pretend like it doesnt exists: the depressed men, a story of a man that did everything in his power to get better and still fails, someome who is required to be empathic to everyone around them but nevergets empathy for himself because in some cases they are brilliant professionals, make money, did all the effort but noone really gives a shit of a REAL illness that its depression because people think that a white man that has a professional career, its smart and succesful and makes money couldnt possibly want to jump off a window, until he does. in tv series this trope ends up surviving, in real life not so much. depressed men are also portrayed as poor men, so this (real life) trope is men wanted to end their suffering regardless of their wealth, another common characteristic of this trope is that these men are often portrayed as a machine, or a monster often as a character that doesnt even have a name. here some examples: bojack horseman, dr house, rick sanchez, edward quintero, officer K from blade runner, arthur fleck from the joker, joel from eternal sunshine.... Michael Dorman, elliot from mr robot, frankensteins monster, thbe stone monster in the neverending story...
This is basically the female version of “the nice guy” trope. The misandry is all too obvious when it comes to the naming of some of these tropes. They should be called “the two faced bitch/douchebag” trope. It’s a hell of a lot more honest.
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You should make a video of girls who take down the queen b like Jenny Humphrey
"Mean Girls" did an excellent job of depicting this. Instead of being openly catty, they simply use emotionally manipulation to prey on your doubts and insecurities. Regina is a master at this power play, and Cady even states "In girl world, all of the fighting had to be sneaky."
mean girls is so fucking awesome dude
It’s exactly like that though. Movie is super relatable. I’m in my 30s and experience this crap at work. People insult you but not blatantly. Like, how do I even begin to address that…
@@chanmarr8118malicious compliance and weaponized incompetence are the best paybacks to passive aggressive behavior. People can call it catty or petty, but it is so satisfactory to see their frustration when they don't get what they want out of being awful at you.
Nice nasty is life.
Classic poking you under the table when nobody’s looking & then gaslights you right after you react.
Also the opposite trope is rarely shown. But I‘ve found that it’s very common for men to hide their shitty personality traits (like sexism) if they aren’t in a power position where they can fully get away with it or aren’t around other guys. So many women don’t know they’re getting into a relationship with a raging misogynist until they’re deep in. And guys do a really good job at hiding it, it’s impressive. I‘m wondering just now why we were only ever told to watch out for manipulation from women.
I grew up in a home with a man like this and in a weird way it somewhat turned me into a bitch incognito whenever I showed any emotion it was used against me to make me seem crazy or used against me in the long-term to make me seem like a stupid overreactive bimbo I spent so many years trying to prove it wrong to my family and friends envuatually I gave up and leaned into what people thought of me in order to get what I want
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@@tierrabutler3577 I‘m sorry you had to go through that. Your reaction sounds like an understandable reaction to the abuse you experienced at home and from your friends. Hope you can soon find a good therapist and new friends where all of your feelings are seen as valid. When we feel fully safe is when we can really let go of our protector parts.
You can say the same thing about gay males.
@@tierrabutler3577 Who was this man you speak of?
Sarah Michelle Gellar was so entertaining to watch as Kathryn. She should definitely play more antagonistic roles in her career, since she mostly plays protagonists.
Yep she was also great on the daytime soap all my children as erica kane daughter
Agreed
It always really pissed me off that Sebastian was portrayed as the misunderstood bad boy with the heart of gold, when he was just as bad as Kathrine. And only had the luck of finding someone that saw the good in him and falling in love. and Kathrine just judged and tossed aside for innocent little Cecile. She really never had the chance tho grow.
Oh I thought it was understood that Sebastian was way worse than Katherine. He rapes a lot in the movie. And even in death destroys women.
Wait who did he rape ??@@nataliaalfonso2662
If a man SAs , manipulates or hurt women, it's because he is hurt and misunderstood and true love ( preferably by an innocent virgin Mary) can fix him😢 . That movie annoyed the hell out of me .
The most annoying thing is the dangerous liaisons the movie its based on. Actually has the Sebastian character die in a duel based on the results of his own actions. With the implication being he wants to die because he destroyed the women he loved. The movie never excuses his actions or pretends he had a heart of gold. It emphasizes it was never going to end any other way due to his own vanity. While the Kathrine character still gets shamed its clear within the narrative a raging hypocrisy on society's part.
A lot of filmmakers don't get the novel was actually judging society for its sexist double standards and high society for its selfish indulgence. Valmont being vile is the point he had the chance to change his ego got in the way and he destroyed every woman around him.
I don’t think Alicent from HotD fits this trope. She genuinely IS feminine. She isn’t putting up an act. Margaery from GOT is a better fit.
she foes put a “nice good woman” act infront of others
@@mercuriology45she took care of Viserys rotting ass for 20+ years despite having no reason to
@@GoldenRose116yet also is complicit to murders, defending her rapist son, but preaches to others abt duty lmao
I think Alicent believes too much in her own righteousness and honor to be on this trope. She isn't bending rules by following them just enough so that people think she is good, she actually believes there's a sense on the rules imposed. Even if that means being a bit of maniac from time to time
@@mercuriology45 so is Rhaenyra. Granted she doesn't defend a rapist (which is aparently comforting the victim, making sure she can move on, and hitting the rapist), she is just the rapist herself
Openly hostile mean girls don't seem very "incognito" to me, so I'm thinking more about the ones you don't expect, and these tend to be spoilers, usually:
Disney, ever the lovers of the twist reveal, had the villain in The Incredibles 2 and Mother Grothel from Tangled both as bitches incognito. Zootopia even literally went with the "in sheep's clothing" metaphor for theirs. It's a trope that works great in animation. Avatar The Last Airbender utilized this with a sweet old lady, who turned out to be a dangerous blood-bender!
“Focus your rage on the structural problems within society that make women feel like they can only behave in one way if they want success or influence.” Wow, that one quote is what I needed. Being a woman is a blessing yet so complex. It’s hard to even explain as a driven woman how difficult it is in this society to be heard. We have to be constantly aware of everything we do or possibly project. It’s exhausting and sometimes we do take it out on undeserving people. What if we took the “rage” to change the game entirely? I like this!
Iago from Shakespeare’s Othello seems like a male version of this trope given how he pretends to be Othello’s friend while secretly plotting against him.
I think you guys need to do a video ONLY about Quinn Fabray and how wrong they did her in Glee
Preach, Quinn deserved so much better. Even in the episode where she's hit by a truck, she's sidelined to focus on Matt Bomer as Blaine's brother.
@@trinaq I hated that happened
@@angelaholmes8888 FABERRY SHOLUD BE ENDGAME AFTER FINN ONLY QUINN WAS THE RIGHT CHOICE NOT THE MAN THEW EGG TO HER
@@ΕΥΘΥΜΙΟΣΚΑΛΙΤΣΟΣ you good dude?? 😂
Not seeing women as capable of horrible acts goes even further if the woman is a mother. The death penalty is rarely given to women who are mothers.
Well, that escalated quickly...
Lori Vallow is a prime example of that. She should have gotten the death penalty for killing her children.
Which is crazy, since most mothers are horrific people. It’s the most important thing a human being can be…. And literally anyone can just up and decide to do it. Even if they’re going to be horrible nurturers with terrible genes. And they can do it….. with ANYONE.
You need more training and licensing to paint nails 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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*Most* mothers are horrific people ?
Thank you SO MUCH for including the clip of Mandy Moore whipping the bible and screaming like a banshee, 'I am FILLED WITH CHRIST'S LOVE!' 😂😂😂😂 IMO, Saved is a very underrated film!
Small thing, but choosing Knives Chau as a visual example of a terrible girlfriend? 0:40
She's not bad, just immature. Probably why Scott, the adult man, is dating her since they're basically on the same wavelength.
right like I swear Scott is the better bitch incognito lol
Yeah that made no sense
Idk why they used allicent from house of dragon, they should've used cersei. That would've made more sense
I know!!! Not my Queen Alicent ❤
They didn't use Cersie because she's openly a bitch she never hid it so she doesn't apply to this trope
She's perfect for the te exmaple they were talking about because she does bad things thinking shes doing them for the right purpose
@@pamelahernandez1050 what bad things did she actually do in the show?
@VickiLovesDoctorWho covering up for her rapist of a son and silencing the victim. Attempting to take the eye of a child and well you know the whole abvious treason against the chosen heir...
I love that this trope is being discussed.
Perhaps I’m biased in that I’m a big Alicent fan, but I don’t see how Alicent fits this trope at all. Other than that, great video!
Alicent is someone who portrays herself as superior than others(she isnt) she definitely fits here
I've noticed that at times in my life where I've achieved some level of success or power, it suddenly feels like a balancing act of how I express myself because of a deep fear that anything could be interpreted as me being a bitch. But even when I've then overcompensated and tried SO hard to be as nice and lovely and sweet as possible, someone claims to see through it and assumes there's an evil motive. If a women is overly sweet but also in a position of power, it can only be because she's a covert bitch and they'll look for any evidence they can that you're secretly horrible. It is impossible to be a woman.
The male version of this trope is "the nice guy".
I've seen some guys take on the toxic femininity path like Jin Guangyao
I'll have to agree with the comments on this but I think it's really a surface-level analyzation to easily shelve Alicent Hightower's duplicity into a Mean Girl Fake Nice Trope. That's pretty disappointing from you guys because while I agree there are aspects here that are applicable to her, it's these types of quick characterizations made solely by one character to another that have us quickly chalking up everything about her morally grey situation. If Alicent is a mean girl so is Rhaenyra?
The show takes more than enough time showing how an anxiety-riddled teenager becomes the jaded, resentful Queen she is by experiencing being a cipher in a violent patriarchy. Even then, she's not that mean. Even when she grows angry and cynical over her damaged friendship with Rhaenyra and her marriage to Viserys, Alicent is depicted as being fairly friendly or at the very least courteous to her servants. Apologizing for mistaking names of knights, believing and empathizing with Dyana (this is a very complex moment that the actress and directors have talked about in depth, I suggest people look into those interviews!), telling the bard who was stuck singing the same song over and over for Rhaenyra that he is relieved of his duties. Even to the King the man who is thrice her age and martially raped her (Because, yes, that's what it is) she takes care of him, washes him and clothes, feeds him the mediaeval version of a painkiller when he's at his weakest and is the _only_ character to mourn his death when he passes. Her fake niceties are almost wholly reserved for Rhaenyra, who we know the relationship is very tense with that by the second to last episode is resolved for a brief hopeful moment. Perhaps, if the nice girl is nice or courteous to _everyone_ but fake nice to one person in particular that characterization is enough to throw her right next to Blair Waldorf, Regina George, or Kathryn Merteuil? This isn't even a rhetorical question maybe that really is all it takes???
Yes, Alicent is self-righteous but she, like the many other characters, believe in the feudal patriarchy and doesn't twist or use the patriarchy to her advantage because none of these medieval character are progressive or radical enough to conceptualize a society outside of fiefdom. In fact, the show almost operates using her as a cautionary tragic tale of the thousands of real life women before us who were born and raised in these society that raised them to believe their only value is their womb, a societal conception we are still trying to outbattle today. We have a literal scene of a child telling the King that she will give him great heirs when she is to be bed at 14, the age Alicent was when she was told by her father to _reach out_ to the King, and we don't think that doesn't affect how these female characters view themselves? This is why when characters like Rhaenyra have even the sliver chance of going against the Westrosi values, they try and use it to their full advantage. Of course, the characters who don't feel lucky enough to be in that position show resentment, they're not woke enough to try and mitigate their selfish and myopic feelings. Heck, even in society right now as progressive as we are-- with a whole Barbie Feminist movie making billions-- people are still incredibly reactive and don't consider to think on the bigger picture of things. Look at how people reacted to Amber Heard, and how it takes a year later for people to sit back and retract and think about what they said wrong. We're so eager to punish and box others yet we ourselves are not immune to our own hypocrisy and decide people should know better when they don't. Which is ironically, what they expect from a mediaeval woman who was a child bride.
However, I think the most disappointing part of this video is that Alicent Hightower isn't even mentioned at all. It's just clips of Alicent being OWNED™ with no mention of the gaslighting, backstory of graphic child rape teen pregnancies or the abusive manipulative father who put her in this situation in the first place. So if you never watched the show and only know this character from the clips this channel showed you, you'd think she was just another run of the mill Bitch Woman with no reason to behave how she does and not a more complex representation of interrogating victimhood through the emblems of women in our past society who were defined and discarded by men.
*Anyway!* If you made it this far to the end of my comment here are a list of tropes (that the Take have done before) that I think fit Alicent Hightower way better:
The Neurotic Type A Woman
The Wicked Stepmother but subverted.
The Nag Trope
The Housewife Onscreen
The Angry Woman
The Pick Me
Karen Jackson from shameless is the most extreme example if this thrope
I think this is my favourite trope. So so so interesting and so realistic. You could really find this type in person not just a made up fictional character.
Yes Some women are good at hiding there cruel horrible side to others indeed like Agatha and professor umbridge
this video came out at the right time! I just found out I make part of this trope and it feels terrible
Umbridge (older pink-dress lady from Harry Potter) does not hide her --inner-- sorry, outer, Big Time Beyotch at all. She barely puts up a show of social nicities, and only does this much to show how superior (mannerly and correct and upper-class) she is. She knows no one buys it, and she isn't concerned with them doing so. She's just using the unspoken social rules to force others into politeness and/or compliance. But she knows that you know that she knows that you know she doesn't mean anything even approaching actual kindness or decency by it.
media shown:
cruel intentions
mean girls
saved!
jennifer’s body
scream 4
sky high
get out
the parent trap
legally blonde 2
riverdale
scott pilgrim (???)
glee
scream queens
gossip girl
rise of the dragon
wandavision
o brother where art thou
knives out
Buffy the vampire slayer
nanny mcphee
harry potter & the order of the phoenix
In my experience, it's not a troupe, I've witnessed it, and was a victim of it many a time. I won't go into the gory details, but I will say this, Hollywood exaggerates it a lot. At times to an offensive degree, but looking back it could depend on region, the kids/people who use it, or societal norms. It wasn't just girls doing this, guys did this a lot too. It wasn't always a defensive mechanism, just someone wanting to be "cool", this often depends on the ones doing this.
Carrie Bradshaw post season one SATC
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Sarah Michelle gellar killed it as a bunny boiler in Cruel Intentions.
What movie? I have googled it. Doesn't come up that Sarah Michelle Geller did a movie called wild things
@@flowergirl5336 I hope I'm not getting titles mixed up but it's the one w Ryan philippe..story involves some mischievous preppy kids and sex..
@@XanderShiller cruel Intentions!
@@flowergirl5336 yesss! As a movie buff I should be ashamed but this was a time when there was a new teen movie every month. I loved her dark turn in that. She was my celeb crush as a kid. She unironically married Freddie Prinze Jr so "Princess Sarah". Movie was original too and didn't follow the tropes of the time. The Rules of Attraction is another gem. Underrated yet fascinating.
It’s called Nice-Nasty
Can you make a video about men written by women and how it maybe damages the way women look at relationships?
That's basically 1/2 the channel's content.
@@UnboxingAlyss Is it? Like what for example?
y'all put a medieval childbride there along with mean girls from the ’90s and 2000s and thought you did something 🤦♀️
She still uses the same toxic femininity tactics and, instead of lashing out at the people who put her in the situation she supposedly hates (her father for literally whoring her out, for one), she lashes out at the "acceptable" target (AKA the other woman her own family wants to demonize so they can steal her inheritance). She basically forces said other woman to go to her the second she gave birth to humiliate her and have a power trip, then when she and her husband come with their baby in tow, said bitch puts on the act of "oh, but you shouldn't have come!" to make herself look good. For fuck's sake, she alluded that she wanted Larys to "do away with" his father and brother so her own father could be Hand again, and then acts like a victim when he decides to straight up murder them.
I don't know what to tell you, but that is 100% toxic femininity and the stakes are higher than harassing other girls (which is already bad enough as is and why I want every woman who ever practiced toxic femininity to get their noses broken), it leads to death. If you can't tell that she is, then, at best, you were so privileged that you never had to deal with a toxic feminine bitch (and I envy you, they were my WORST bullies)
I agree. Allicent isn't perfect, but she is horrifically demonized.
I'm surprise Stepford Wives wasn't mentioned at all in this
That is literally the same descriptions you used in your The Mean girl video. Please elaborate the difference between “The Mean Girl” and “the Bitch Incognito”
Alicent is not a mean girl, but a queen
Where do all these tropes for various types of women come from? Why do people simply accept them as reflective of reality? Do 'mean girls' and their ilk - which seem to be constant characters even in movies and shows aimed at little girls - actually exist in the real world, or are they figments of Hollywood's imagination? Isn't there a danger of stereotyping and demonizing girls and women by assigning labels to what might be just the normal range of human interaction?
I'm gonna say it, past experience has taught me that this is not just a troupe. Granted it is exaggerated by Hollywood, but there are people, men and women, who do this for shits and giggles. Witnessed it, was a victim of it many a time. Now is there a problem that is connected to the way it is portra6in media, definitely. I think another problem is that some people want desperately to be the "IT whatever" that they don't really care who it makes them look. We an only hope that they do learn and grow from it.
They exist. And being outwardly sweet but secretly mean and conniving *without a real need to be so* isn't just an ordinary, everyday personality-type you might run across. But a serious behavioural problem that their victims get to suffer through.
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This, ofc, is not to be confused for those who pretend to be innocent, sweet and demure etc. not because they wish to but because it's socially unacceptable to be confident ("arrogant"), no-nonsense ("b×tchy"), into flings instead of seeking marriage ("slut") and so on *while also being female.* If they were male, they'd not have to pretend, but they aren't. So they're putting on an act simply to achieve the same respect and success freely granted towards men who are equally ambitious -- not because they enjoy others' pain the way the trope'y Mean Girl does.
Audrey from descendants here
putting alicent hightower on this list is an odd choice. we see her have agency consistently stripped from her since childhood and none of her kindness is false except somewhat towards rhaenyra after things have boiled over, so to compare her to regina george or kathryn merteuil seems unfair. cersei lannister or maybe maegery tyrell, sure, but what was alicent’s most devious scene? when her father has her unknowingly court her best friends father at 14/15 or the marital r*pe scene ? or the scene where her son loses an eye and she sees her and her children mean nothing to the man she was forced to marry? or where she insisted rhaenyra and her sons be protected after aegon’s coronation even though she spent half her life believing no such favor would be granted her or her children? even when the murder of lyonel and harwin strong is done in her name she does not have a choice or any agency in the matter. i don’t see the argument for her at all
the thing is Cersei never pretend to be a “nice person” Alicent always talks about Duty honor when her actions contradict her words, she always judges Rhaenyra for her life decisions when she herself does a handful pretty of bad things. the moments she does have agency, she does things that she are not right, meanwhile judging other’s decisions. She is too busy resenting Rhaenyra bc of her freedom. Alicent is the perfect example of a victim turned into a perpetrator
@@mercuriology45did she not pretend to be kind to Sansa in season 1?
@@mercuriology45 Cersei was for sure duplicitous with Sansa for public appearances just like the trope suggests. it’s with a smile n gentle reminders she can’t marry joffrey if her family are traitors that Cersei coerces sansa to sign letters denouncing robb and her father. she gives Sansa a place of honor with her during the battle of blackwater, making her look kind and caring to the high borns, all while whispering to sansa that ser illyn will kill her if the city falls. “the moments she does have agency”, does alicent really have agency if it’s just in “moments”? sure she’s contemptuous of rhaenyra’s life and whispers her complaints to her dad, criston and larys, but she never attempts to actually hurt rhaenyra except for once her son is mutiliated in front of her and she snaps, something she is shown to deeply regret. also don’t really understand you calling her a hypocrite about duty and honor?? she married for her house? duty. stayed true to the marriage vows she was forced to make ? duty and honor. gave both rhaenyra and vaemond an opportunity to defend their claims to driftmark, even though she knows rhaenyra’s sons are illegitimate? honor. caring for the living corpse that took her girlhood? duty & honor. this is not me saying alicent good, rhaenyra bad, i enjoy them both, there’s depths to both and both have definitely suffered differently due to the patriarchal systems in place, but alicent is no fucking regina george.
Talk about the tortured artist trope
It would be interesting to see a movie do a play on this with reverse gender roles.
Nice nasty is life.
Alicent Hightower doesn't fit this trope. She doesn't fake being a nice person, she *IS* a nice person.
Agreed we've been conditioned to hate any authority figure even if they're right
She still uses the same toxic femininity tactics and, instead of lashing out at the people who put her in the situation she supposedly hates (her father for literally whoring her out, for one), she lashes out at the "acceptable" target (AKA the other woman her own family wants to demonize so they can steal her inheritance). She basically forces said other woman to go to her the second she gave birth to humiliate her and have a power trip, then when she and her husband come with their baby in tow, said bitch puts on the act of "oh, but you shouldn't have come!" to make herself look good. For fuck's sake, she alluded that she wanted Larys to "do away with" his father and brother so her own father could be Hand again, and then acts like a victim when he decides to straight up murder them.
I don't know what to tell you, but that is 100% toxic femininity and the stakes are higher than harassing other girls (which is already bad enough as is and why I want every woman who ever practiced toxic femininity to get their noses broken), it leads to death. If you can't tell that she is, then, at best, you were so privileged that you never had to deal with a toxic feminine bitch (and I envy you, they were my WORST bullies)
I think she's flawed and complex, but I agree - she's grossly demonized, whereas Rhaenyra is put on a pedestal.
How u gonna put rotten to the core and not reference descendants
I bet Wendy Byrde started off as the incognito bish
She DEFINITELY did. Remember, she had that affair at the exact same time she was playing the perfect housewife.
Naomi from 90210 ❤️ this series should have its own video on the Take.
She’s fabulous but evil
You used Alicent Hightower as an example, but she did nothing wrong
she did many things wrong lmao
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@@brandenhoyt8926She resents Rhaenyra for simply doing things that other men do.
MakeNyra walk right after she just gave birth and before you start saying she didn't have to : in what world would a mother separate herself from a newborn baby with someone who clearly doesn't have best interest for you.
Made Heleana marry Aegon knowing his antics. Talks about being puritan but then does the Laris thing , call Rhaenyra children savages when her son is a rapist . Makes Criston Cole faces no repercussions when he killed Laenor lover
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- she resents Rhaenyra for getting her dad fired and lying to her on her death mother's grave.. something she knew Alicent was sensitive to
- Its not she couldn't have send Laenor.. and Rhaenyra herself even says Alicent wouldn't do anything to her.
- they stabbed out her son's eye
- Alicent is not the one who gives punishments .. Viserys decides
@@GoldenRose116 She came to Rhaenyra with an openly disgusted judging energy. Why would Rhaenyra tell the truth to the daughter who literally wants her downfall lol. And again she still made walk right after giving birth i think that's still you know 'doing something' and not obvious with pure intentions. And she knows how Aemma died
What the hell is Knives Chau doing in this video?!?!
It's basically toxic femininity. The other thing that makes this character horrible is that, just like with certain reactionaries, they have reasons to be angry, but instead of lashing out on the people/system that put them in the situation they hate, they lash out at "acceptable targets" (AKA other women who "perform their gender wrong").
THAT is where the "not like other girls" thing came from, as a backlash to THAT toxic femininity and the bitches who use it to bully neuroatypical (especially those of us who can't mask well for long periods of time), fat, ugly, disabled, gender non conforming/butch, non-white, or/and obviously non-straight girls. I kind of hate that it's turned into a critique when many of the "not like other girls" really aren't like the mainstream girls and get punished for it. Especially since the lashing out at femininity doesn't last long, even if feminine pursuits/looks/hobbies are just not their thing.
Meanwhile, toxic femininity is still going strong among adults and the women who started shit with me all used those same bullshit tactics. It takes a lot of soul searching or happenings for someone who uses toxic femininity to to just stop with that nonsense.
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I don't think alicent should be on the thumbnail
I think that’s perfect actually lol
@@Zucifer8 I see alicent being more delusional than a mean girl
@@jaybirdjetwings7516she definitely is, she likes to portray herself as this person with morals and better than everyone but at the end of the day, is willing to do horrible things ro achieve her goals as we see
@@mercuriology45 Yeah tbh that is true, she is a self righteous and hypocritical but she doesn't seem like an outwardly mean person really
@@jaybirdjetwings7516 she likes to portray herself as this woman who cares abt the smallfolk others, but we literally see her go against her so called “morals” when its on her benefit
Great video
Regina George the character is iconic 💗
Sarah Michelle gellar was brilliant in cruel intentions 😎💯
I think in Chinese drama the archetype is called a white lotus bitch?
Why in the world does this video use Knives Chau as an example of "the terrible original girlfriend who treats him terribly?" Knives isn't bad in any way. She's not a mean girl, not a bitch. Plus, Scott Pilgrim isn't even a rom com.
All of us have a mean girl inside of us. Most of us are just too cowardice to use it. These women are enviable. Call a thing a thing! 😅
Is it impressive how they manipulate and mistreat others through enough charisma and sneakiness? Yes. Is it okay? No. There's nothing to envy from someone who feeds from stepping on others.
Question though, wouldn't this just showcase simi sexism through dismissing women as passive aggressive behavior?
Serena van der woodsen and people are jealous of her
Love the range of examples presented here, and not just because they were from of some of my favorite franchises.
Perfect!
Interesting trope
regina kathryn jill are my future gfs
The Take first L alicent isnt even evil thats the blonde one
For me Regina George it's just a bored untreated narcisistas woman like canonically all my narcissist ex girl friends fav people (cause I have BPD) fall in that archetype also, Janis is the other side of the coin yes a mean girl too and soft shell narcisist but functional 😊
the people in the comments saying Alicent doesn’t fit here it’s funny but she definitely does. She is a woman who portrays herself as morally superior than others(she isn’t) and spends her time resenting her ex best friend bc she didnt suffer as much as she did
Alicent was forced to marry a man old enough to be her father, suffered through *years* of marital rape, and had to raise their children on her own when she was still a child herself because Viserys didn't give a shit, not even when one of those children was literally mutilated. Rhaenyra wanted that same child to be tortured for speaking the very, very, *very* obvious truth that everyone already knew. Alicent was forced to follow all the rules of their society and it made her entire life miserable, while Rhaenyra is allowed to break all of those same rules. Yeah, I can't imagine why Alicent would be resentful about any of this.
@@idab9958 which still is a shitty argument that you are using. you said it yourself, Alicent follows these rules, not because she wants to but bc she is forced tho, her wanting to condemn another woman for being allowed to have more freedom is simply too harsh. Also wanting to bring the so called “torture” on rhaenyra when Alicent seperated a child from her new born baby, insulted Rhaenyra’s kids, sold her feet to Larys, they burned a house full of people. If you think that Alicent’s actions are correct, simply because she was a victim then that tells me me a lot how yall are with women in real life who don’t follow patriarchal standards. Rhaenyra is the princess and heir, of course her privilege compared to Alicent is bigger, not to mention that men in that society are allowed to do more..
@@mercuriology45 Please, do remind me where exactly I said that all of Alicent's actions are correct. My point was that she has good reason to be resentful, not that she never does anything wrong.
1) Alicent had nothing to do with Larys's murder of Harwin and Lyonel. She says, and I quote, "I did not wish for this", to which Larys responds "I feel certain you will reward me." He's blackmailing her. Same goes for the feet thing. (Also, you think Alicent showing Larys her feet is worse than asking for a child to be tortured? Seriously?)
2) Alicent was not insulting Rhaenyra's child. She was pointing out the extremely obvious fact that Rhaenyra's children are not Laenor's which, again, everyone can already see. (No, it was not right to ask to see the child immediately after he was born. Remind me where I said it was.)
3) Yes, Rhaenyra has more privilege than Alicent. She uses that privilege to do fuck all except commit high treason by trying to make her obviously illegitimate child inherit the Iron Throne. That's a crime in Westeros. Remember how Cersei doing the same thing helped spark a bloody civil war? Yes, men get away with worse. Yes, that sucks. But being the future ruler also comes with a responsibility toward the country you seek to rule to not take actions that could endanger the country, and yet that is exactly what Rhaenyra does, even though she should know better. Alicent is not a bad person for pointing that out, or for resenting Rhaenyra because of her blatant disregard for her duty.
@@idab9958 Rhaenyra has a gay husband who she couldn’t have children with, her children are legally legitimate whether yall like it or not, even fire and blood points it out as not being a problem. Alicent spents her time feeding hate onto her children, of Rhaenyra calling her children “beasts” when she has her own rapist son LMAOO. that doesn’t matter, Alicent knew all the shit larys did but never once did she try to accuse him, what Alicent is doing is treason, she knows what larys does(literally has killed people) yet she guards him, so treason only matters when Rhaenyra does it amirite??(showing once again your hypocrisy in your argument). Alicent praises about duty and sacrifices yet her actions go completely against what she preaches. Most of Rhaenyra’s lack of “duty” that you say is having “illegitimate”children which mind you they are legally legitimate. Even Cersei’s kids are legally legitimate. in terms on westeros legality. not to mention that Rhaenyras children, they are inheriting FROM RHAENYRA. Alicent is being completely unfair for wanting a woman to suffer in the same system that SHE HERSELF IS A victim of, that just shows yall act with women who dare to disobey patriarchal norms
@@idab9958ur arguments are so stupid omfg😭 we can tell u don’t understand anything abt asoiaf
EXCELLENT 🎉
I prefer the reverse of this trope. The “mean” girl who is only mean as a defense mechanism to protect herself from being hurt/taken advantage of. That’s who I had to become, growing up as an introverted and soft-hearted Black girl wasn’t easy.
Imagine watching these movies 😂
I don't think the right way is to targeg rage tonsystematic issues. That's not how civilized people should behave. Politics needs to be approached with cold head and strong arguments. Rage should be transferred tonsafe outlets that will help to transfer distructive force into something good. Sports would be a great way to do that. I don't think that males or females should express rage in everyday setting if they feel like it. And passion that is often a drive behind femenine rage needs to be channeled to the benefit of the person and not to please or object to society.
here is a trope that the take will never take becouse its too close to a real life problem that its better to pretend like it doesnt exists: the depressed men, a story of a man that did everything in his power to get better and still fails, someome who is required to be empathic to everyone around them but nevergets empathy for himself because in some cases they are brilliant professionals, make money, did all the effort but noone really gives a shit of a REAL illness that its depression because people think that a white man that has a professional career, its smart and succesful and makes money couldnt possibly want to jump off a window, until he does. in tv series this trope ends up surviving, in real life not so much. depressed men are also portrayed as poor men, so this (real life) trope is men wanted to end their suffering regardless of their wealth, another common characteristic of this trope is that these men are often portrayed as a machine, or a monster often as a character that doesnt even have a name.
here some examples: bojack horseman, dr house, rick sanchez, edward quintero, officer K from blade runner, arthur fleck from the joker, joel from eternal sunshine.... Michael Dorman, elliot from mr robot, frankensteins monster, thbe stone monster in the neverending story...
Can ya'll do the Mother In Law?
Didn't they do one about getting away from the evil stepmother trope already?
@@jordanloux3883 They did, why?
@@jordanloux3883mother in laws and stepmothers are different things and have different tropes.
a.k.a selena gomez
Social justice movement
This is basically the female version of “the nice guy” trope. The misandry is all too obvious when it comes to the naming of some of these tropes. They should be called “the two faced bitch/douchebag” trope. It’s a hell of a lot more honest.