Here's the thing about boho style: it ages with you really well. I'm pushing sixty and wear things I've had since college. Plus, you never feel like you have to be perfect
Excellent point! I notice a lot of contemp fashion is a bit restrictive on the skin and lowers circulation, whereas Boho style seems to emphasize "breeziness" and looser fits and "natural" fabrics so it's probably healthier too
Yes! Such a good point. Well made, natural fibres with some room in the seams=life-long items. They don't have to look "hippie" though, make them black and neutrals and you've got the French style!
Native American culture and beliefs also had a major impact on the hippie stereotype as we know it today. Leather fringe, beaded headbands, dreamcatchers, turquoise jewelry, feather headdresses, spirit animals, beliefs about oneness with the natural world...and more! White hippies co-opted these elements from indigenous culture.
Another thing people don't understand is people with trauma who've had to raise themselves sometimes offer themselves the luxury of things others might consider "childish," once they're grown and stable. There's a tendency to take up, and hang on to interests that most people consider "a phase," in "normal," adolescence.
I’m so supportive of survivors of abuse reclaiming their childhood! But it’s sad that we have to use abuse and trauma to justify people doing what makes them happy. Like yeah, survivors of childhood abuse should absolutely be allowed to heal through reclaiming childhood, but also everyone should be allowed to like childish things. Who is it hurting to collect plushies or wear sparkly hair clips or whatever?
@@chicitita10bien23I came here to say Sinclair because we know Phoebe wouldn’t have been written without Sinclair…its a bad sad they didn’t include her here
Down the line? Such a show should’ve probably been spun off 15 years ago. 😅 In other words: *more time has passed since the end of Friends and now, than within the entire original freaking run of Friends* I.e. these people are officially old now. The role would now call for her to be a grandma. That or you cast a different lady for Phoebe but you still get Paul Rudd since he never ages. 😂
They gave Joey of all characters his own show and nobody watched it or liked it. It got cancelled quick. Friends is only good when all of them are together, they don’t need spin-offs.
I would love to see representation of the “boho woman” as you guys have dubbed her, that is actually respectful and treats her seriously. Ever example cited in this video and every example I’ve ever seen is always treated as ridiculous in one way or another and her firmly held beliefs and lifestyle are always what is laughed at and seen as ridiculous by the other characters and audience. The issues that this character always cares about- animals, human rights, protecting the environment, are all really important. But the text always treats her passion for these things as something silly she only cares about because she’s too ridiculous to care about “real problems.” I am one of these “boho” types and I have been my whole life and this is typically how society treats me and my passions which sucks because I’m a very serious and dedicated person. I’ve also noticed how in media, if a male character embodies bohemian sensibilities, he is either treated more seriously and even praised for his beliefs or he is an emasculated joke, which shows how sexism effects the way the trope is viewed. The way this trope is used is mostly disrespectful and unrealistic to what real life boho women are like.
This! We kill more animals than humans estimated to have lived on this earth every two and a half years. Trillions of animals are suffering and the industry is the main driver of our climate and biodiversity crises. These are not funny, silly issues that only flighty immature caricatures of boho women should be caring about.
THIS! Came here to say the same. It reminds me of a quote from the movie "L'auberge espagnole" where the protagonist says at the beginning: "My mum, let's make it short, is a greenie. A real greenie. And the annoying thing about greenies is that they're always right." And I think that's the problem. I have the feeling that showmakers constantly feel the need to ridicule those characters and make them over the top and slightly to heavily crazy to stop them from becoming the personification of a constant bad consciousness and really force the audience to think about their lifestyle.
I haven't watched other series except friends and I think she is one of the best representation of confidence, dignity and self love. She is a free spirited person but knows how to make boundaries and not let anyone use her as a doormat. She is strong, independent. She knows what she wants and goes after it even if others ridicule it. She also knows how to be serious and take life seriously when needed.
I think there is a lot of intersection between the Sassy and Strong Black tropes - several characters I can think of could be said to be presented as both: "Sassy" characters are often depicted as financially and s*xually independent/liberated, intelligent, and resourceful - Queen Latifah, Whoopi Goldberg, Wanda Sykes come to mind. But I'm curious what you propose the distinction is between the Strong and Sassy tropes if you don't mind linking/commenting
@@gforce9596 There is definitely overlap. I only meant it’s a whole discussion on its own, because the “Strong Black Woman” is expected to take on all her problems and trauma on her own with no support while still being there for everyone else. Meanwhile, the “Sassy Black Woman” is a comedy device who speaks in a highly stereotyped manner and is characterized by her loudness and cartoonish aggression, even if she sometimes “tells it like it is.” So, sometimes it seems like we’re meant to laugh WITH her, but so often we’ve been conditioned to actually laugh AT her. So there’s definitely overlap between the two, but there’s little nuances and subtleties that make for strong individual discussions about each trope. Hope that makes sense.
I think we skipped over the cultural appropriation that many BW present. For example, Frankie from Grace and Frankie, is very performative in her views. She even had a period where she was overcompensating.
I agree. She was a great character but that drove me a little crazy about her, and the show itself seemed to have no critique of it at all (even affectionate critique) except "isn't she hilarious and kooky".
Yeah I thought the same thing, I don't consider Dre's mom to be boho at all, but Rainbow's mom is the definition of it, hell she named her daughter "Rainbow".
YES!!! It just seems like they didn't understand what boho actually means in the end. Dre's mom was eccentric, which is NOT the same as boho. While we may think of the boho lifestyle as eccentric, it doesn't make every eccentric person boho.
I’ve been asking for them to do a take on this for months! Glad The Take listens to their fans 😊 Edit: Omg!!! They shouted out my Twitter name!! Thanks!
As a 23 year old Afro American, I grew up in a diverse town/city with different cultures and styles. My upbringing was different from many other Afro Americans and I would get a lot of hate from the community. In my mid teens, I started to experiment with different styles and in my late teens/early 20s, I began to express more of myself and experiment more. With my eclectic taste from variety of styles (gothic, bohemian, grunge, mod, tom-boyish...), I would stand out and people would notice and either love or dislike me. I would literally go to school, my college campus or to work dressed up like I'm going to some ball or like I'm the intimidating gothic girl. I'm no boho chic, but I do take elements from the bohemian style, and I make it my own. My quirkiness is definitely noticeable and sometimes it throws people off or distance themselves from me!
The Boho hippie aunt was perfect in 6 feet under. She was super dreamy and funny but actally was suffering with a pill problem and alot depression from being alone.
Yes! I just rewatched the whole series (still amazing; still holds up), and Patricia Clarkson & Kathy Bates were a more nuanced take of the Boho woman.
Yes. It’s really telling that they chose Denise instead of Freddie. She even has an incredibly realistic arc, becoming a lawyer to actually enact the changes she wants to see in the world.
One thing I will say about Topanga is that even though her boho personality is initially just a joke and treated as a phase, the franchise does look back on it in a positive light in the later seasons of Boy Meets World and in Girl Meets World.
Can you do the "Curves in all the Right Places" trope? Cousins in American media? In-Law relationships? Nothing about the Crunchy to Alt Right pipeline?
Denise is the Best boho woman IMO. She starts as a ditsy highschooler who needs to learn about how to care about things that really matter, to a dreamy eyed young adult that needs to learn how to be responsible while sticking to her ideals, and ends as a fully formed adult who still cares deeply but has better learned how to balance her passions and responsibility.
I've suggested it before, but here's again: how about a video of the Mandingo trope or the hypersexualization of black men? It's a trope that has run through many styles from Shakespeare's Othello and slapstick comedy to being a whole porn subgenre. It paints black men as always-ready, always-competent, well-endowed sex symbols, whose allure is particularly enticing for white women and feared by white men. It may look like a positive or even aspirational stereotype on surface level, but its origins have clear racist and toxic undertones.
It is not a "less harmful" stereotype. It is a major reason that countless Black men have been falsely accused of and wrongly convicted of sexual offenses for centuries.
@@paulojrneto Thank you so much. I wasn't angry or trying to criticize you or anything. I just felt the need to elaborate. Thanks for being so understanding.
Yes!! I thought of her as well as Allison’s mother in The Affair and Zoe Kravitz’ character in Big Little Lies (which is funny considering her mother is Lisa Bonet).
Not me literally sitting here watching this in a knit poncho, with purple hair in pigtails eating a vegetarian bologna sandwich out of a reusable plastic baggie on my lunch break at the preschool I teach at! 😅 I have found my people ✨ ☮️ 😊 I hope The Universe gives you an amazing day today!🙌🏻
*TROPE SUGGESTION:* The Weird Boy Trope (examples: Sheldon Cooper, Jughead Jones, Edward Scissorhands/any Tim Burton protagonist). I think it would be interesting to cover the duality of this trope. One the one hand, Weird Boys are a rebellion against toxic masculinity. One the other hand, some of them (like incels) perpetuate it.
I love boho fashion & share a lot of the beliefs and interests mentioned here but I also have an anxiety disorder and wish I was more carefree. That's why real people don't fit into characters tropes, I guess.
The Boho style really peaked in the 70's, when Stevie Nicks took it mainstream with "Rhiannon": Rhiannon rings like a bell through the night And wouldn't you love to love her? Takes to the sky like a bird in flight And who will be her lover? All your life you've never seen Woman taken by the wind Would you stay if she promised you heaven? Will you ever win? Though Stevie herself famously personified this feminine archetype, I think her bandmate Christine McVie was even more naturally connected to the Boho style of the 60's. She came of age in 1960 in Birmingham, England and experienced the hippie era first hand. Stevie Nicks was more of a nomadic California girl who got her start with Lindsey Buckingham during the late 60's psychedelic era. When the Boho style was revived in the 90's, it took most of its inspiration from the 70's Californa hippie girl archetype, which was really just a stone's throw from 90's Hollywood. By comparison, the original 60's British Invasion era Bohemian style has become an exotic rarity.
You missed a lovely boho character as an example: Sigrid Eriksdottir as played by Rachel McAdams in Eurovision: Fire Saga. Starts out as 'naïve & dreamy' love interest but kind of ends up as the main character with a lovely character arc about learning to love yourself and to appreciate your own talents and to prioritise your own needs before the man in your life ❤
I am so surprised to not see one clip or mention of the character Cloud from Firefly Lane or Phoebe from Girlfriends' Guide to Divorce. Quintessential Bohemian characters
What an interesting trope. It indeed reminds me of the Hippie trope that was covered earlier on this channel. After seeing this video, the Boho can be seen as a sort of evolved Hippie? Some kind of off-spring trope?
I'm always drawn to these kinds of characters in shows and movies. I'm boho myself, but I guess a more...toned down? version of it. Like, not quite so bubbly and extroverted. Maybe there's a subset of boho women who are introverts. lol
So I feel like whoever wrote the script for the video was thinking of rainbows mom on blackish the characters name is Alicia . But I think the editor just saw the note of mom on blackish and put ruby ( andres mom ) who is a series regular on there . This is proof we need more black folks behind the scenes because if the people who make this content watched blackish they would know these things . Ruby is the exact opposite of this trope !
What about editing out the Cosby guy? Not trying to be that person, but the whole video could have existed without his face and lines in this video. Especially given the monstrous events that have come to light. I understand nostalgia, I have it heavily, but he could have been left out
As a natural Boho chick, Yes you are right my outfits fit at a meditation beach trip and I Love the beach;) And I soooooo have to go my own way Cause I'm happiest like that;)
You should totally do the "frazzled english woman"!!! Bridget Jones, Iris from the holiday, Keira Knightley in love actually, Helena Bonham Carter etc. are a few treasures to name some:)))
Most hippie boho women I've met in real life were actually type A personality; boho house super clean, diet kept to a tea, tightly controling everything, never showing big emotions. I have this theory that they crave freedom so much becaus they are the opposite of that image: unhappy, full of rules. They keep going to all these seminars and retreats, but really they are incapble of letting go whatever it is inside that makes them so stressed.
They are praised for practices and ideals/believes that poc have been punished for and most of the time their style is just cultural appropriation. Friends literally copied a black show called living single and Phoebe is basically a white version of Synclaire . Yet there weren’t many black or other women of color in this video. And the term boho is literally just Romani culture rebranded and has done more harm to Romani women than good , the hippie movement fashion wise took inspiration straight from different poc groups. We need to call it what it is.
The Beautiful Boy as Destroyer trope - see Sexual Personae by Camille Paglia. Reference: Dorian Grey, Loki, Elvis Presley, Patrick Bateman, Timothée Chalamet
I was the type A girl boss girl but now I no longer want to be that especially since I got so stressed that I ended up in the hospital multiple times. I feel trapped and want to be free. I decided I wanted to be more like the boho woman. I even started changing my wardrobe.
how about the duff (designated ugly fat friend) in movies and tv shows? this trope always bothered and made me mad. like the none-aired pilot of buffy the vampire slayer. if you ask me, first willow was a "duff" for the director and producers but then, they decided that the actress didn't had a "believable chemistry" with the other actors. ugh! that was so disgusting to me... and it's very real thing in life.
Please, do a video about the butch girl. Ursula, Trunchbull, etc. OR, do one about the sexy lesbian trope - the gay woman who essentially acts like a straight man. The best example of this is Shane from The L Word.
The absent parent returns. The long absent parent pops back into their usually older or grown child lives and says I was scared, selfish and now all I want is to be apart of your life because I’m changed person, with this heir they have this sense of entitled instantaneous forgiveness and when that doesn’t happen at first I feel we’re supposed to feel sorry for them. Then by the end of the episode they get it. It’s not that I don’t think these stories are important they are but I feel they aren’t done right like I understand it’s supposed to be about second chances and forgiveness but I always feel it’s they get rewarded for their bad behaviour.
Never in a million years would I have called Ruby from blackish "chill," but really glad to see her here nonetheless (though wouldn't Rainbow be the better example)?
It seems like the boho woman was popular and cool for a time, but now she is past her prime and gradually retiriing. She was considered "against the grain" once, but when she became popular, she lost her nonconformist value.
I don't know if I would classify Ruby as a "Bohemian" type. Her type of dress is just what some women her age wear. Ruby has also made it abundantly clear in many episodes that she was a victim of many systemic problems in society where she couldn't afford to be passive and "let the universe fall into place." She even has an arc where she can't accept that her daughter is a lesbian getting married to another woman. That's not very "Mother Gaia", is it? Ruby faced racism, colorism, spousal abandonment, and single motherhood. Although she had many lovers, she was definitely a fighter. A more appropriate character (which I don't know why she wasn't used) is RAINBOW'S mother, Alicia. They literally raised their children in a hippie commune.
You seem to chronically lack subject-verb agreement when it comes to compound subjects: “Her lack of boundaries and flighty nature actively harms her children.” It should be HARM. “Her chill attitude and ability to see the bright side often allows her to-“ ALLOW, not allows.
Sinclair seems more of the “quirky, black girl” definitely… but I didn’t see much of the boho traits in her character. Optimistic, child-like… but boho? Meh.
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You forgot about Dory
Here's the thing about boho style: it ages with you really well. I'm pushing sixty and wear things I've had since college. Plus, you never feel like you have to be perfect
I agree 100 percent! I feel like it’s such an ageless style.
Excellent point! I notice a lot of contemp fashion is a bit restrictive on the skin and lowers circulation, whereas Boho style seems to emphasize "breeziness" and looser fits and "natural" fabrics so it's probably healthier too
Yes! Such a good point. Well made, natural fibres with some room in the seams=life-long items. They don't have to look "hippie" though, make them black and neutrals and you've got the French style!
Native American culture and beliefs also had a major impact on the hippie stereotype as we know it today. Leather fringe, beaded headbands, dreamcatchers, turquoise jewelry, feather headdresses, spirit animals, beliefs about oneness with the natural world...and more! White hippies co-opted these elements from indigenous culture.
This - so much of the boho aesthetic is just cultural appropriation by White people. There is a reason you don't see many WoC donning this aesthetic.
Yes as well as various African cultures
And south East Asian
Good point, so much native culture that was adopted in the 60s when it was illegal for native to practice
Absolutely. Let's not forget that Dharma had a magical dead Native American friend/helper.
Another thing people don't understand is people with trauma who've had to raise themselves sometimes offer themselves the luxury of things others might consider "childish," once they're grown and stable. There's a tendency to take up, and hang on to interests that most people consider "a phase," in "normal," adolescence.
I relate to this a lot, actually. It makes perfect sense 😮
You should be allowed to enjoy whatever you want
@@oooh19 I agree, but a lot of people in my younger adulthood did not. 🤷🏻
@@gloria7190 I suspect there's a lot of us.
I’m so supportive of survivors of abuse reclaiming their childhood! But it’s sad that we have to use abuse and trauma to justify people doing what makes them happy. Like yeah, survivors of childhood abuse should absolutely be allowed to heal through reclaiming childhood, but also everyone should be allowed to like childish things. Who is it hurting to collect plushies or wear sparkly hair clips or whatever?
We need more black boho representation. I always saw myself in Denise and Lynn growing up.
We do! I definitely see myself in them.
I'm white and I STILL wanted to be Denise!
Absolutely true. Lisa Bonet has been inspiring my sense of style for the last 20 years lol.
Sinclaire from Living Single
@@chicitita10bien23I came here to say Sinclair because we know Phoebe wouldn’t have been written without Sinclair…its a bad sad they didn’t include her here
You should do the virgin in adulthood trope! It's hardly talked about why so many representations are so toxic
I am nearly 29 and virgin
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@@carennrodrigues7631same. According to OP representing us is toxic.
why is viginity toxic now?
I would definitely love to see a Phoebe spinoff somewhere down the line, where she and Mike are raising their kids, who are just as quirky as she is!
I think the kids being a little more straight laced in response to her could be funny.
Lisa Kudrow told the producers she was actually closer to Rachel in real life.
Down the line?
Such a show should’ve probably been spun off 15 years ago. 😅
In other words: *more time has passed since the end of Friends and now, than within the entire original freaking run of Friends*
I.e. these people are officially old now.
The role would now call for her to be a grandma.
That or you cast a different lady for Phoebe but you still get Paul Rudd since he never ages. 😂
They gave Joey of all characters his own show and nobody watched it or liked it. It got cancelled quick. Friends is only good when all of them are together, they don’t need spin-offs.
I've never seen Dharma&Greg but from the Video it seems that could be seen as the Phoebe&Mike "spin off" ? 😁
My favorite boho/boho-chic icon is definitely Lisa Bonet. ☮️🌱🎩
Another favorite character of mine that falls in this category is Synclaire from the show Living Single.
Yes! My favorite awkward black girl of the 90s
I would love to see representation of the “boho woman” as you guys have dubbed her, that is actually respectful and treats her seriously. Ever example cited in this video and every example I’ve ever seen is always treated as ridiculous in one way or another and her firmly held beliefs and lifestyle are always what is laughed at and seen as ridiculous by the other characters and audience. The issues that this character always cares about- animals, human rights, protecting the environment, are all really important. But the text always treats her passion for these things as something silly she only cares about because she’s too ridiculous to care about “real problems.” I am one of these “boho” types and I have been my whole life and this is typically how society treats me and my passions which sucks because I’m a very serious and dedicated person. I’ve also noticed how in media, if a male character embodies bohemian sensibilities, he is either treated more seriously and even praised for his beliefs or he is an emasculated joke, which shows how sexism effects the way the trope is viewed. The way this trope is used is mostly disrespectful and unrealistic to what real life boho women are like.
YES !
Your comment is really well articulated 🤭
This! We kill more animals than humans estimated to have lived on this earth every two and a half years. Trillions of animals are suffering and the industry is the main driver of our climate and biodiversity crises. These are not funny, silly issues that only flighty immature caricatures of boho women should be caring about.
THIS! Came here to say the same. It reminds me of a quote from the movie "L'auberge espagnole" where the protagonist says at the beginning: "My mum, let's make it short, is a greenie. A real greenie. And the annoying thing about greenies is that they're always right." And I think that's the problem. I have the feeling that showmakers constantly feel the need to ridicule those characters and make them over the top and slightly to heavily crazy to stop them from becoming the personification of a constant bad consciousness and really force the audience to think about their lifestyle.
I haven't watched other series except friends and I think she is one of the best representation of confidence, dignity and self love. She is a free spirited person but knows how to make boundaries and not let anyone use her as a doormat. She is strong, independent. She knows what she wants and goes after it even if others ridicule it. She also knows how to be serious and take life seriously when needed.
How about the “Sassy Black Woman” trope? You’ve done the Strong Black Woman, but the SASSY Black Woman is a whole discussion in itself.
Yes!
I think there is a lot of intersection between the Sassy and Strong Black tropes - several characters I can think of could be said to be presented as both:
"Sassy" characters are often depicted as financially and s*xually independent/liberated, intelligent, and resourceful - Queen Latifah, Whoopi Goldberg, Wanda Sykes come to mind.
But I'm curious what you propose the distinction is between the Strong and Sassy tropes if you don't mind linking/commenting
@@gforce9596 There is definitely overlap. I only meant it’s a whole discussion on its own, because the “Strong Black Woman” is expected to take on all her problems and trauma on her own with no support while still being there for everyone else.
Meanwhile, the “Sassy Black Woman” is a comedy device who speaks in a highly stereotyped manner and is characterized by her loudness and cartoonish aggression, even if she sometimes “tells it like it is.”
So, sometimes it seems like we’re meant to laugh WITH her, but so often we’ve been conditioned to actually laugh AT her.
So there’s definitely overlap between the two, but there’s little nuances and subtleties that make for strong individual discussions about each trope. Hope that makes sense.
@@sethzarandona2325 Cool, thanks for the info. I'll read about the topic
I think we skipped over the cultural appropriation that many BW present. For example, Frankie from Grace and Frankie, is very performative in her views. She even had a period where she was overcompensating.
I loved Frankie but my days she was THAT Liberal white woman but she had good intentions.
I agree. She was a great character but that drove me a little crazy about her, and the show itself seemed to have no critique of it at all (even affectionate critique) except "isn't she hilarious and kooky".
YES DENISE!! what an Icon!
strange tho, how y'all didn't show Rainbow's mom for the Black-ish clips, and showe'd Dre's mom.
Yeah I thought the same thing, I don't consider Dre's mom to be boho at all, but Rainbow's mom is the definition of it, hell she named her daughter "Rainbow".
Yes! I would even consider Dre's mom to be anti- boho. She's always giving her a hard time for her beliefs.
@@originalcosmicgirl right? thank you!!
YES!!! It just seems like they didn't understand what boho actually means in the end. Dre's mom was eccentric, which is NOT the same as boho. While we may think of the boho lifestyle as eccentric, it doesn't make every eccentric person boho.
I'd like to add Mona from the show Half and Half played by Rachel True. It seems she is also like that in real life too.
I love the real life boho vibe of Lisa & Zoe. Always wished I looked that cool.
I’ve been asking for them to do a take on this for months! Glad The Take listens to their fans 😊
Edit: Omg!!! They shouted out my Twitter name!! Thanks!
I’d love to see y’all talk about the characters from Girlfriends
Yes!!!
As a 23 year old Afro American, I grew up in a diverse town/city with different cultures and styles. My upbringing was different from many other Afro Americans and I would get a lot of hate from the community. In my mid teens, I started to experiment with different styles and in my late teens/early 20s, I began to express more of myself and experiment more. With my eclectic taste from variety of styles (gothic, bohemian, grunge, mod, tom-boyish...), I would stand out and people would notice and either love or dislike me. I would literally go to school, my college campus or to work dressed up like I'm going to some ball or like I'm the intimidating gothic girl. I'm no boho chic, but I do take elements from the bohemian style, and I make it my own. My quirkiness is definitely noticeable and sometimes it throws people off or distance themselves from me!
Denise is an icon
The Boho hippie aunt was perfect in 6 feet under. She was super dreamy and funny but actally was suffering with a pill problem and alot depression from being alone.
Yes! I just rewatched the whole series (still amazing; still holds up), and Patricia Clarkson & Kathy Bates were a more nuanced take of the Boho woman.
Freddy from A Different World embodies this trope more than anyone
Yes. It’s really telling that they chose Denise instead of Freddie. She even has an incredibly realistic arc, becoming a lawyer to actually enact the changes she wants to see in the world.
For real. And Cree Summer is so cool 😎✨️💕😍
One thing I will say about Topanga is that even though her boho personality is initially just a joke and treated as a phase, the franchise does look back on it in a positive light in the later seasons of Boy Meets World and in Girl Meets World.
This is something I feel bad about Phoebe, through out the series she became more and more normal, even lost her curls 😢
Can you do the "Curves in all the Right Places" trope? Cousins in American media? In-Law relationships?
Nothing about the Crunchy to Alt Right pipeline?
Agreed, especially the aptly named "Real Women Have Curves", where America Ferrera is still seen as gorgeous, despite her curves.
Denise is the Best boho woman IMO. She starts as a ditsy highschooler who needs to learn about how to care about things that really matter, to a dreamy eyed young adult that needs to learn how to be responsible while sticking to her ideals, and ends as a fully formed adult who still cares deeply but has better learned how to balance her passions and responsibility.
I've suggested it before, but here's again: how about a video of the Mandingo trope or the hypersexualization of black men? It's a trope that has run through many styles from Shakespeare's Othello and slapstick comedy to being a whole porn subgenre. It paints black men as always-ready, always-competent, well-endowed sex symbols, whose allure is particularly enticing for white women and feared by white men. It may look like a positive or even aspirational stereotype on surface level, but its origins have clear racist and toxic undertones.
It is not a "less harmful" stereotype. It is a major reason that countless Black men have been falsely accused of and wrongly convicted of sexual offenses for centuries.
@@originalcosmicgirl You're absolutely right. I've edited that sentence out.
I absolutely love this idea I hope they see this!!!!!!!!
A lot of white men are aroused by it as well. There's many kinks based on it. It's disgusting and dehumanizing
@@paulojrneto Thank you so much. I wasn't angry or trying to criticize you or anything. I just felt the need to elaborate. Thanks for being so understanding.
Great analysis! I would also include the mom from "the Maid" netflix show (Andy McDowell)
Yes!! I thought of her as well as Allison’s mother in The Affair and Zoe Kravitz’ character in Big Little Lies (which is funny considering her mother is Lisa Bonet).
Where is THE RICH SINGLE AUNT trope? It is about time girls! :)
Not me literally sitting here watching this in a knit poncho, with purple hair in pigtails eating a vegetarian bologna sandwich out of a reusable plastic baggie on my lunch break at the preschool I teach at! 😅
I have found my people ✨ ☮️ 😊
I hope The Universe gives you an amazing day today!🙌🏻
I would like to see the dynamic of Joan and Toni's relationship on the show Girlfriends and how did it end...
I would love to see a take on the goth chick and how she deals with topics like depression and death
I love all the different aspects of the female tropes, but can you also please do more male tropes in the future?
The theater kid trope would be so fun! Especially the lack of representation in it!
Another wonderful boho character really inspired me was Olivia d'abo as Karen Arnold in The Wonder Years. Good video! Very self-affirming!
True!
*TROPE SUGGESTION:* The Weird Boy Trope (examples: Sheldon Cooper, Jughead Jones, Edward Scissorhands/any Tim Burton protagonist).
I think it would be interesting to cover the duality of this trope. One the one hand, Weird Boys are a rebellion against toxic masculinity. One the other hand, some of them (like incels) perpetuate it.
I’ve missed this type of trope videos. There are so many tropes you can make a video on.
I love boho fashion & share a lot of the beliefs and interests mentioned here but I also have an anxiety disorder and wish I was more carefree. That's why real people don't fit into characters tropes, I guess.
once again, "the take" creates a KILLER ESSAY!!! this is so good, what culture should take a hint
Can you do the “girlboss / malewife” trope next? Or the “rockstar trope” but include both men and women examples ?
They have done a bunch of girlboss video in recent years, often about how movies and TV present failed or hypocritical ones
Anything that gives me Way of the House Husband clips
@@najhoant I meant more like girlboss juxtaposed with the malewife trope (together)
The Boho style really peaked in the 70's, when Stevie Nicks took it mainstream with "Rhiannon":
Rhiannon rings like a bell through the night
And wouldn't you love to love her?
Takes to the sky like a bird in flight
And who will be her lover?
All your life you've never seen
Woman taken by the wind
Would you stay if she promised you heaven?
Will you ever win?
Though Stevie herself famously personified this feminine archetype, I think her bandmate Christine McVie was even more naturally connected to the Boho style of the 60's. She came of age in 1960 in Birmingham, England and experienced the hippie era first hand. Stevie Nicks was more of a nomadic California girl who got her start with Lindsey Buckingham during the late 60's psychedelic era. When the Boho style was revived in the 90's, it took most of its inspiration from the 70's Californa hippie girl archetype, which was really just a stone's throw from 90's Hollywood. By comparison, the original 60's British Invasion era Bohemian style has become an exotic rarity.
You missed a lovely boho character as an example: Sigrid Eriksdottir as played by Rachel McAdams in Eurovision: Fire Saga. Starts out as 'naïve & dreamy' love interest but kind of ends up as the main character with a lovely character arc about learning to love yourself and to appreciate your own talents and to prioritise your own needs before the man in your life ❤
I LOVED her character arc! I was rooting for her so hard. That movie is a hidden gem and I’m glad I gave it a chance
I am so surprised to not see one clip or mention of the character Cloud from Firefly Lane or Phoebe from Girlfriends' Guide to Divorce. Quintessential Bohemian characters
What an interesting trope. It indeed reminds me of the Hippie trope that was covered earlier on this channel.
After seeing this video, the Boho can be seen as a sort of evolved Hippie? Some kind of off-spring trope?
I’d love to hear about the doctors are the ideal man trope, like they’re always framed as the ideal love interest 😅😊
I'm always drawn to these kinds of characters in shows and movies. I'm boho myself, but I guess a more...toned down? version of it. Like, not quite so bubbly and extroverted. Maybe there's a subset of boho women who are introverts. lol
One perfect example of 'boho mom' is andie macdowells character in Maid
So I feel like whoever wrote the script for the video was thinking of rainbows mom on blackish the characters name is Alicia . But I think the editor just saw the note of mom on blackish and put ruby ( andres mom ) who is a series regular on there . This is proof we need more black folks behind the scenes because if the people who make this content watched blackish they would know these things . Ruby is the exact opposite of this trope !
THANK you!
What about editing out the Cosby guy? Not trying to be that person, but the whole video could have existed without his face and lines in this video. Especially given the monstrous events that have come to light. I understand nostalgia, I have it heavily, but he could have been left out
As a natural Boho chick, Yes you are right my outfits fit at a meditation beach trip and I Love the beach;) And I soooooo have to go my own way Cause I'm happiest like that;)
You should totally do the "frazzled english woman"!!! Bridget Jones, Iris from the holiday, Keira Knightley in love actually, Helena Bonham Carter etc. are a few treasures to name some:)))
Really happy you did this one!
My favorite was Freddie Brooks from A Different World.....I always remember when her mother that she effectionatley called Jonie shows up to campus
This video of about all of my favorite characters on tv shows! Dharma, Phoebe, Frankie and Denise. 😂
In 'Heartstopper', Elle's mother is majorly Boho Woman. I could see Tara and Darcy be Boho Women as well.
thank you for including Girlfriends!
Thank you. Frankie is one of my favourite characters.
Most hippie boho women I've met in real life were actually type A personality; boho house super clean, diet kept to a tea, tightly controling everything, never showing big emotions. I have this theory that they crave freedom so much becaus they are the opposite of that image: unhappy, full of rules. They keep going to all these seminars and retreats, but really they are incapble of letting go whatever it is inside that makes them so stressed.
I’m the person you describe. Desperate to let go and relax but completely unable to do so. I feel seen. 😂❤
They are praised for practices and ideals/believes that poc have been punished for and most of the time their style is just cultural appropriation. Friends literally copied a black show called living single and Phoebe is basically a white version of Synclaire . Yet there weren’t many black or other women of color in this video. And the term boho is literally just Romani culture rebranded and has done more harm to Romani women than good , the hippie movement fashion wise took inspiration straight from different poc groups. We need to call it what it is.
The Beautiful Boy as Destroyer trope - see Sexual Personae by Camille Paglia. Reference: Dorian Grey, Loki, Elvis Presley, Patrick Bateman, Timothée Chalamet
I was the type A girl boss girl but now I no longer want to be that especially since I got so stressed that I ended up in the hospital multiple times. I feel trapped and want to be free. I decided I wanted to be more like the boho woman. I even started changing my wardrobe.
Congrats!
Interesting.
Cover the professional chef trope!
I like the fashion sense
how about the duff (designated ugly fat friend) in movies and tv shows?
this trope always bothered and made me mad. like the none-aired pilot of buffy the vampire slayer. if you ask me, first willow was a "duff" for the director and producers but then, they decided that the actress didn't had a "believable chemistry" with the other actors. ugh! that was so disgusting to me...
and it's very real thing in life.
Another Great Take❤
Please do a take on Drug dealers or cartels in popular media.
I forgot about darma and gregg..core memory unlocked
One of my faves was the boho in the last season of 227.
Please, do a video about the butch girl. Ursula, Trunchbull, etc. OR, do one about the sexy lesbian trope - the gay woman who essentially acts like a straight man. The best example of this is Shane from The L Word.
Not cool giving the shaft to Sinclaire from 'Living Single'.
The absent parent returns. The long absent parent pops back into their usually older or grown child lives and says I was scared, selfish and now all I want is to be apart of your life because I’m changed person, with this heir they have this sense of entitled instantaneous forgiveness and when that doesn’t happen at first I feel we’re supposed to feel sorry for them. Then by the end of the episode they get it. It’s not that I don’t think these stories are important they are but I feel they aren’t done right like I understand it’s supposed to be about second chances and forgiveness but I always feel it’s they get rewarded for their bad behaviour.
Chelsea from that so raven
Yep. I am definitely a Boho woman ❤
Special shoutout to Freddie Brooks from A Different World !
This one could also be called "The Pisces Woman" 😊💙🥂🐟 hahahahaha so cute!
Hope Daisy Jones is mentioned
Probably started with movies pairing older men with young girls. Movies like "Cactus Flower", maybe as far back as "Roman Holiday".
I think I just re-relealised I have a boho mom who is also a boho teacher
Never in a million years would I have called Ruby from blackish "chill," but really glad to see her here nonetheless (though wouldn't Rainbow be the better example)?
Please cover TRUE BLOOD🎉
Lily james/meryl streep’s donna deserves to be in this trope❤
" Another pound of knowledge" 😅 I live
What role is Olivia Colman playing?
I googled "Olivia Colman blonde mother" and apparently she was "Naomi's mom" in a show called Skins
That's the I'd kinda aspire to be .. they're so cool
Can you do one on Mona Lisa Smile? She was labeled a bohemian and also lots of feminist/women's tropes.
Finally a trope that calls her a woman. Instead of a girl.
I think Daria had an aunt that was one of these. Or was it Jane's mom?
Anyway, I did not expect this to take a dark turn
It was both. Darias aunt was more grounded and rounded out though.
Freddy on It's a different World played by Cree Summer
A lot of these scenes feature Jessa from Girls. Jessa seems like a deconstruction and reality check of these characters.
It seems like the boho woman was popular and cool for a time, but now she is past her prime and gradually retiriing. She was considered "against the grain" once, but when she became popular, she lost her nonconformist value.
I notice that a lot of these examples are either white women or very light skinned non-white women.
Are there any dark skin non-white women examples?
I don't know if I would classify Ruby as a "Bohemian" type. Her type of dress is just what some women her age wear. Ruby has also made it abundantly clear in many episodes that she was a victim of many systemic problems in society where she couldn't afford to be passive and "let the universe fall into place." She even has an arc where she can't accept that her daughter is a lesbian getting married to another woman. That's not very "Mother Gaia", is it?
Ruby faced racism, colorism, spousal abandonment, and single motherhood. Although she had many lovers, she was definitely a fighter. A more appropriate character (which I don't know why she wasn't used) is RAINBOW'S mother, Alicia. They literally raised their children in a hippie commune.
Suggestion: a take about the womanizer god who's broken inside (like Christian Troy from "Nip/Tuck" and Don Draper from "Mad Men").
Hells yes
They kind of touched on that in their “bad boy” trope video
The boho man would be an interesting character
No mona or freddie?????
You seem to chronically lack subject-verb agreement when it comes to compound subjects: “Her lack of boundaries and flighty nature actively harms her children.” It should be HARM. “Her chill attitude and ability to see the bright side often allows her to-“ ALLOW, not allows.
You must be fun at parties…
Oh wait, I don’t think you’re invited to many.
Do some videos about Mafia. and criminal characters.
'Gilmore Girls' is very much Boho Woman Central. And we love them for it 👏🏽
Dont forget Sinclaire from Living Single
Sinclair seems more of the “quirky, black girl” definitely… but I didn’t see much of the boho traits in her character.
Optimistic, child-like… but boho? Meh.
Dre's mom from Blackish isn't the boho mom. Rainbow's mom was literally a hippy.