OK, now you're making me rethink what distro to use to host container OS's. I was all set to move with AlmaLinux but now I really have to give microOS a look. I am looking for something that is very lightweight, but I had not considered the immutable state as a contender. You hit this one out of the park yet again!
openSUSE is a much under-used OS in the US, which, given it's Germain ancestry, isn't the case in other places, (e.g. Germany). It can be customized to fit niche from a Raspberry Pi to an IBM zSeries mainframe. The save OS can be used as a container host, high performance scientific computing cluster, work-a--day web server, the OS on your router, kids educational (and it plays games too!) desktop, or developer machine. The microOS is a great idea. Hopefully the desktop versions can get their act together. As with all technology, you need to take the hype with a grain of salt. The GNOME version is at a release candidate level, but probably is more alpha quality given the lack of documentation and total dependence on flatpak for user software. It is sad that openSUSE didn't decide to focus on KDE, which has been the default desktop environment, in spite of the fact that you can install GNOME, E11, LXQt, Xfce, Sugar, Cinnamon, and maybe ten other desktop environments I cannot name of the top of my head. It would not be hard to install openSUSE TW or Leap on twenty different PCs and have twenty different systems that would not even resemble each other superficially or functionally. In the past, it has always been much easier to install and maintain than other OS, e.g. Windows and other Linux distros due to Yast (although the software manager has been in need of updating for a long time). If you want to set up a system for your grandmother to use that only runs Firefox, miroOS desktop it probably will be up to the the task. If you have a developer who already works with Linux containers, it probably is OK since they can hack the containers into what they need. But, for ordinary desktop Linux users (if there is such a thing), maybe waiting for the KDE version is a good idea.
Great one again. I am waiting on Plasma to go to the beta stage, but unfortunately there seems to be an issue with available resources to bring development further. Anyway a solid first look again Stephen, thanks!
Thanks for your video. Your presentation makes me want to install microOS on my new PC because I'm looking for a new, different Linux for daily use. Probably won't though because I'm too 🐔😄
Great video, Stephen! I've tried MicroOS a week ago but I've got some problem: sometimes the boot process is so slow, packages installed via tukit not appeared unless , and sometimes the upgrading the OS via pkcon failed because it tried to download from the non-existence repo. I hope the devs fix those problems and for now I stick with Tumbleweed for my daily driver.
Thanks for the info and sharing your experiences! Yes, MicroOS is still very rough around the edges... But the future looks pretty exciting especially if they can get the problems fixed... Cheers!
Thanks for the Video! Sir, what do you recommend for home usage: zypper in zram-generator and then edit: ``sudo nano /etc/systemd/zram-generator.conf`` [zram0] zram-size = ram / 4 compression-algorithm = zstd swap-priority = 100 fs-type = swap or your method: zypper in systemd-zram-service whats even the difference? I learned the first method from the Arch Wiki and it always worked for me, I don't understand the 2nd method and it seems like the whole RAM gets compressed.
I'm currently using PopOS! Nvidia version, which is based on Ubuntu Debian. I used to use OpenSUSE before they changed its name to Leap; as far as I remember, it was a very reliable OS. I don't use Linux for gaming since I have dual booting with Windows for that particular reason. I've been tempted to switch onto OpenSUSE again, but I'd like to know if they have support for Nvidia graphics like PopOS! Nice video, Stephen!
MicroOS is still very experimental, but many really like Tumbleweed - which should support your graphics: download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed/ Thanks for watching!
@@stephenstechtalks5377 Supports nvidia drivers, but from time to time a kernel update breaks the kernels modules. Unfortunately, by the time I used the system I could not find a way to change to a previous kernel. That was a deal breaker for me.
You might be able to DIY. openSUSE has Cinnamon as one of the "default" (KDE is checked by default, but I think Cinnamon is one of the other you can select during install). You could install the core OS and set up a container w/ Cinnamon, or how ever they did the desktop components w/ GNOME. Both are GTK based, and, if I recall, share a lot of the framework (I think like KDE and LXQt and KDE and Deepin all depend on Qt5 but LXQt and Deepin both reuse KDE Framework5 components when they suited). You might need to do a bit of digging to figure out how they did it. I decided to keep my team on Leap until the MicroOS desktop team gets the RC ready for testing and writes up some sort of documentation as the documentation for Leap, which usually suffices for Tumbleweed, just does not apply.
It has supported both for quite a while, with SELinux being more visible with the popularity of containers. Just like people thinking openSUSE as a KDE desktop, it has had GNOME as an option since the beginning. It really is just a matter of which button is checked by default during install, and like most things w/ openSUSE, changing is just a click away. While you can certainly install both GNOME and KDE (and Enlightenment, and Cinnamon, and LXQt and ...) desktops with both Wayland and X11 in case you don't like seeing the same desktop more than twice a month and hate having to use the same software to read your email (and have a huge drive you need to fill up), I don't think you want both SELinux and AppArmor running on the same system at the same time. I don't recall exactly why (bit of a pain to maintain the rules for one end-user system), but it was more than just you don't need it/why make more work.
OK, now you're making me rethink what distro to use to host container OS's. I was all set to move with AlmaLinux but now I really have to give microOS a look. I am looking for something that is very lightweight, but I had not considered the immutable state as a contender. You hit this one out of the park yet again!
Thanks for the feedback! As I mentioned this is very much in beta - but still a lot of fun! :)
openSUSE is a much under-used OS in the US, which, given it's Germain ancestry, isn't the case in other places, (e.g. Germany). It can be customized to fit niche from a Raspberry Pi to an IBM zSeries mainframe. The save OS can be used as a container host, high performance scientific computing cluster, work-a--day web server, the OS on your router, kids educational (and it plays games too!) desktop, or developer machine.
The microOS is a great idea.
Hopefully the desktop versions can get their act together. As with all technology, you need to take the hype with a grain of salt. The GNOME version is at a release candidate level, but probably is more alpha quality given the lack of documentation and total dependence on flatpak for user software. It is sad that openSUSE didn't decide to focus on KDE, which has been the default desktop environment, in spite of the fact that you can install GNOME, E11, LXQt, Xfce, Sugar, Cinnamon, and maybe ten other desktop environments I cannot name of the top of my head.
It would not be hard to install openSUSE TW or Leap on twenty different PCs and have twenty different systems that would not even resemble each other superficially or functionally. In the past, it has always been much easier to install and maintain than other OS, e.g. Windows and other Linux distros due to Yast (although the software manager has been in need of updating for a long time).
If you want to set up a system for your grandmother to use that only runs Firefox, miroOS desktop it probably will be up to the the task.
If you have a developer who already works with Linux containers, it probably is OK since they can hack the containers into what they need.
But, for ordinary desktop Linux users (if there is such a thing), maybe waiting for the KDE version is a good idea.
Yes, a dedicated and in-depth video about snapper would be appreciated.
Duly noted, thanks! :)
Thanks for another great video. I never looked into MicroOS and I never thought about using distrobox. Great and crisp demo.
Thanks, yes it’s still rather obscure! :)
Your videos really educational and beneficial-helpful.
keep goin my man :)
Thanks, will do! :)
i use it now for a few Days, and I must say great, Steam, Games and so works with my Games great and its a superb Daily Driver
Great to hear!
wow, thank you very much mr Stephen, pretty useful video
Glad it was helpful!
Great one again. I am waiting on Plasma to go to the beta stage, but unfortunately there seems to be an issue with available resources to bring development further. Anyway a solid first look again Stephen, thanks!
Indeed, would be a shame if it stalled. Thanks!
Thanks for your video. Your presentation makes me want to install microOS on my new PC because I'm looking for a new, different Linux for daily use. Probably won't though because I'm too 🐔😄
Thanks for sharing! I feel it’s still a bit too “green” for use as a daily driver but the future looks promising!
Great video, Stephen!
I've tried MicroOS a week ago but I've got some problem: sometimes the boot process is so slow, packages installed via tukit not appeared unless , and sometimes the upgrading the OS via pkcon failed because it tried to download from the non-existence repo.
I hope the devs fix those problems and for now I stick with Tumbleweed for my daily driver.
Thanks for the info and sharing your experiences! Yes, MicroOS is still very rough around the edges... But the future looks pretty exciting especially if they can get the problems fixed... Cheers!
It's not recommended to use tukit at all anymore.
There’s also a MicroOS transactional server based on the SUSE Enterprise so you get it with a stable base.
Good to know, thanks for sharing this info!
I'll gonna crazy and install microOS on my main PC hahahaha. This looks more interesting to me than silverblue tbh...
Good luck! :)
So? What happened? That was a year ago--don't leave us hanging!
@@kevincoonanmd9305 got some issues with Nvidia drivers, too bad
Thanks for the Video!
Sir, what do you recommend for home usage:
zypper in zram-generator
and then edit:
``sudo nano /etc/systemd/zram-generator.conf``
[zram0]
zram-size = ram / 4
compression-algorithm = zstd
swap-priority = 100
fs-type = swap
or your method:
zypper in systemd-zram-service
whats even the difference?
I learned the first method from the Arch Wiki and it always worked for me, I don't understand the 2nd method and it seems like the whole RAM gets compressed.
Not much difference at all, it's just that openSUSE recommends things a little differently from Arch. Thanks for watching!
I'm currently using PopOS! Nvidia version, which is based on Ubuntu Debian. I used to use OpenSUSE before they changed its name to Leap; as far as I remember, it was a very reliable OS. I don't use Linux for gaming since I have dual booting with Windows for that particular reason. I've been tempted to switch onto OpenSUSE again, but I'd like to know if they have support for Nvidia graphics like PopOS!
Nice video, Stephen!
MicroOS is still very experimental, but many really like Tumbleweed - which should support your graphics: download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed/
Thanks for watching!
@@stephenstechtalks5377 Supports nvidia drivers, but from time to time a kernel update breaks the kernels modules. Unfortunately, by the time I used the system I could not find a way to change to a previous kernel. That was a deal breaker for me.
maybe I would try one of those immutable distros, when they deliver it with Cinnamon which is my favorite DE
That would be very nice indeed!
You might be able to DIY. openSUSE has Cinnamon as one of the "default" (KDE is checked by default, but I think Cinnamon is one of the other you can select during install). You could install the core OS and set up a container w/ Cinnamon, or how ever they did the desktop components w/ GNOME. Both are GTK based, and, if I recall, share a lot of the framework (I think like KDE and LXQt and KDE and Deepin all depend on Qt5 but LXQt and Deepin both reuse KDE Framework5 components when they suited).
You might need to do a bit of digging to figure out how they did it. I decided to keep my team on Leap until the MicroOS desktop team gets the RC ready for testing and writes up some sort of documentation as the documentation for Leap, which usually suffices for Tumbleweed, just does not apply.
what is Hank Schrader doing explaining linux to a bunch of nerds???
Dean Norris FTW 🤣
He is undercover and trying to catch me but he can't.
SuSe is fine. You have to worry about it. Don't give me VM material, it all works.
ok!
This is an interesting distribution. Pretty sad it has desktop, especially kde as unstable
It is very promising!
Gnome is stable.
Can you use his full-time?
Don't see why not - it's a long term project!
This kinda reminds me of Bedrock Linux. Great video though, just maybe work on the green screen.
SeLinux? I thought Suse used Apparmor
MicroOS fully supports both. Thanks for watching!
It has supported both for quite a while, with SELinux being more visible with the popularity of containers. Just like people thinking openSUSE as a KDE desktop, it has had GNOME as an option since the beginning. It really is just a matter of which button is checked by default during install, and like most things w/ openSUSE, changing is just a click away.
While you can certainly install both GNOME and KDE (and Enlightenment, and Cinnamon, and LXQt and ...) desktops with both Wayland and X11 in case you don't like seeing the same desktop more than twice a month and hate having to use the same software to read your email (and have a huge drive you need to fill up), I don't think you want both SELinux and AppArmor running on the same system at the same time. I don't recall exactly why (bit of a pain to maintain the rules for one end-user system), but it was more than just you don't need it/why make more work.
It still works on KDE, but I couldn't run on Gnome, it's a waste of time, a heavily underdeveloped system.
Interesting!
I hate to disparage fellow Linux users, but GTK is not very pretty...my eyes! (I am just kidding folks, come on, lighten up).