openSUSE Aeon - Desktop Linux finally done right?
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
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openSUSE Aeon (formerly MicroOS Desktop) aims to be a fully fledged modern Linux Desktop leveraging as many of the latest user space innovations available including:
- Immutable OS with Transactional Updates
- Secure Boot
- TPM Encryption
- Flatpaks & OCI containers as primary application delivery
This talk will introduce the distribution, highlight the adoption of some of the latest foundational user space technologies as well as share some of the pain points being faced and invite the audience to contribute to this exciting platform.
Richard Brown
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Thank you. I am using AEON, and I am very happy with it. I am a humanities instructor, and I like to have a machine that requires minimum effort to get the work done every day.
Some of us need ultra reliability, recent apps and a set and forget machine. Micro OS fits the bill for me as a relative normie rather than a super Linux nerd, despite using Linux for 20+ years.
@@barriewood9336and we need more users like you :)
Hey have you dual booted it ? I am trying to dual boot but the installer directly showing begin installation button I want to choose another partition on my disk !
Aeon is a master piece, using the development version and its pretty stable, just works. Auto updates, rollback, flathub, distrobox and Gnome, all i need 💚.
Always liked OpenSUSE. I like the concept of immutability and roll back
Love the talk, always cool to see unique ways of using a desktop. I think this is perfect for those who just need to get work done, are those who are not technically savvy.
very logical and reasonable and pivotal moment for linux desktop. Linux desktop should be like Aeon , and get rid of competing with useless MacOS and Windows catchup .. there is nothing to be caught up in others . this is the stratagy sooner or later that will work.
Awesome to hear about a mechanism to detect deviations from the base image release. This is so super useful on Silverblue with rpm-ostree.
Micro OS and Fedora Silverblue deployed across my half dozen PCs / laptops.
MicroOS being daily driven even before first full release. It is that good.
Only my occasionally used M1 not running either of these immutable OS’ - the older Intel MacBook Pro runs Aeon superbly!
So many casual users (normies) and those with need for reliability (devs /sys ad) will welcome immutable set and forget devices.
I'm keeping Tumbleweed, but thank you for all this work, it's great.
Have been SuSE/Opensuse user since version 7.x, as my primary OS, Tumbleweed being my choice since nearly its early days.; as of today I am running it on my latest bought Elitebook 835 G10 7840U/32GB/Samsung 990 Pro 2TB and all is working out of box, including ambient light sensor, wifi, bluetooth, fingerprint scanner, etc ... 100%.
Will definitely give a try to MicroOS/Aeon, but then I a KDE guy! Thanks to the Team for this awesome OS/platform/distro ... Thumbs Up!
I'm so glad MicroOS made standalone install possible without those rhel coreos ignition requirements
Thank you
Brilliant.
The main problems I see is you have to use btrfs, which isn't the fastest filesystem, especially on slower computers, and it only supports gnome, which sucks, I believe there's an alpha kde version too, but that's only 2 desktops, if you want something similar but with way more freedom then I recommend nixos, you can use any filesystem, you can use any desktop or window manager, and from what I can see you get similar functionality in terms of when you update it doesn't overwrite your current system, it installs the updated software alongside it, so then if an update breaks something you can just reboot into your previous working system.
I want to move away from my Win10 to openSUSE. All I use is Atlantis word processor, VLC player, and the Chrome browser. Should I choose openSUSE Aeon over openSUSE Tumbleweed? Thanks. :)
Seems like a good use case.
...he's Dave the Diver! :)
How does one go if they have multiple users and filling up disk storage because instead of system wide flatpaks by default, it's user wide and so all users have their own flatpak installations even the same ones?
Well, if you plan to build such a system meant for several users, you probably install Flatpaks systemwide instead of per user. Said that, I’ve been installing Flatpaks to my $HOME, which I realize is kind of stupid given I’m the only user of my systems, so I probably move them to /var to make backups of my home directory smaller.
The initial build was garbage when it first came out…no Internet connection and it was a mess as a desktop. A few years later, Kalpa is much improved and everything now works, including the Internet! 😊
As far as servers go why not make pxe bootable distro that doesn't install itself to disk? It boots over network and it ready to rock. Updates are reboot away same with rollbacks. Operating system becomes like kubernetes pod: immutable and stateless. As a bonus disks can be used for actually useful stuff.
It's very interesting but they should support Cinnamon instead of Gnome because is lighter and better.
One usually pronounces the -ae- in words like archaeology, aetiology, haemoglobin, dyslipidaemia, daemon, and aeon (think "Americanized" spellings: etiology, hemoglobin, dyslipidemia, demon, and eon) are all pronounced USUALLY with a long E vowel sound, not so much like how this presenter is pronouncing "aeon." Hmm.
It just is so funny to hear people pronouncing daemon as DAYmun, when it is the old ash (ae) letter that is pronounced today as DEEmun EVEN if it is still spelled daemon.
From Wikipedia: "Æ (lowercase: æ) is a character formed from the letters a and e, originally a ligature representing the Latin diphthong ae. It has been promoted to the status of a letter in some languages, including Danish, Norwegian, Icelandic, and Faroese. It was also used in Old Swedish before being changed to ä. The modern International Phonetic Alphabet uses it to represent the near-open front unrounded vowel (the sound represented by the 'a' in English words like cat)."
demon, demon, demon. Yes, you are right: DEEmun.
Interesting I'm Swedish, very tempted to start pronouncing every ae i see in English like ä.
@@perjohanaxell9862😅 sure. Why not?
Says word [wheezes] says a second word.
Respect for the work done, however I continue to prefer Tumbleweed which I have been using for over 6 years now and it has never caused me any problems.
By the way I don't really like GNOME, not because I have anything against it, but I simply can't work with it, I find it much more convenient to use KDE-Plasma.
If the Plasma version of MicroOS gets a stable release one day, then I might consider it, but for me, using GNOME is truly awful.
You lost me when I saw flatpak on your stack.
What’s the freaking point? Everything is available as rpm
Ahh, so sad that it is only Gnome, maybe MATE or KDE, xfce ... but Gnome? ahh
Is there option to install another desktop? Ah, must look at it.
OpenSuse+Meta= OpenSuseberg. Be prepared 😈.
It's the CONFERENCE that's sponsored by Meta, NOT the distro.
@@ilvbunnies But yet they were ok with allowing Meta too. There's always have a choice. But much like we find out with other things deals are going on that we don't know yet. No need to defend anyone ;)
Braindead take
I wanted to switch rom Manjaro to opensuse but if you guys are proud being supported by meta who are infamously known for taking our information to sell and do things with..Yeah I'm avoiding this like the grim death.
And if you want to work on something how about hardware/software conpatitibilty? Having 2 threads one named "The hard way" to install nvidia drivers, why not just make it easier? No Linux distribution made me jump through so many hoops as well as the X11 issues you guys still have?
Or maybe work on software compatitibilty like Surfshark and other apps? You guys have many good thing but fail hard at others it is confusing
Yeah no. Id rather use ikey's serpentOS
So GNOME only? No thanks not interested.
Oh, I almost forgot! IIRC you can install other desktops in MicroOS, however to the best of my knowledge the only two ones that support Wayland relatively well are GNOME (yuk!) and KDE ❤️
how can it be right when it's using gnome abomination? why don't you just focus on kalpa which is the right version. geez,
This entire talk fell apart less than 5 minutes in when he said that Linux is not about Choice. That's exclusively what it's about
Well it is…..and Micro OS Aeon is one of them. Don’t like it? Many more options to give a go to!
There are options that better suit hobbyist / tinkerers and Computer Science students such Gentoo, Slackware, Void, NisOS, Arch et al. I’ve been on Linux for 20+ years - started with now defunct Caldera Linux and SuSE Linux. These days I value security, reliability, but with much newer packages than Debian. Set and forget is where I am / what I need. So Micro OS with Distrobox built-in is bang on and it’s not even at first official release yet. Daily driving it or Fedora Silverblue on all my personal machines, bar my occasionally used M1 Mac.
Exclusively? Many people have a use for their computers beyond endlessly tinkering with them
The talk was great but you're right Linux is definitely and absolutely about choice. I wish Richard had articulated this as he meant it. Curation adds value. Trusted curation resolves the tyranny of choice but choice still exists above all
someone needs to start exercising.
Listening to your breathing is not fun 🙃
Nobody asked for your stupid comment
Have you ever tried public speaking?
@@somegeezer4058 yes
It all makes sense now on why he forces anyone to use a bloated desktop such as gnome