Another great video! I just want to add for anyone reading through the comments, Garuda Linux might be a good alternative to CachyOS for some as it's also Arch based and it's possible to install various kernels with BORE. Another alternative to what was mentioned for Debian might also be MX Linux.
I might consider CachyOS in the future, since that BORE scheduler is suppose to be good for gaming. A1RM4X uses and shows it with KDE but he is looking at Hyprland. I just use Ubuntu and Gnome 46 seems to work okay for the most part, but KDE is less bloated than Gnome I think and Hyprland is the most efficient. Thanks for going over KDE, Gary.
There is a psychology study from decades ago that showed how we humans simply cannot cope with a wide selection of options to perform a task. I do not think that should be interpreted as us being happy with, or even preferring, to have a non-choice like Windows thrust upon us, as is done in most PC sales outlets. But it does represent a barrier to the wider adoption of Linux.
I highly recommend EndeavourOS (arch), but for those that want a kind of "mint KDE" consider Tuxedo OS, is pretty much mint, with KDE, Kernel and Drivers updated
Thanks for not including Red Hat distros and highlighting Debian's commitment to free-software. Because I think choosing a distro is less about looks and feel and more about the goals and philosophy of the project.
Great video, keep sticking it to Red Hat ( IBM ). Shortly after Red Hat put the source code behind a pay wall the CTO of Oracle wrote a really good open letter about the need for Open Source and their commitment to it. That raised my opinion a Oracle a little, I had a grudge against them ever since they erased all references to Sun Microsystems. (Showing my age I know) I tried Oracle Linux in a VM and it is absolutely a downstream version of RHEL with all the logos replaced with Oracle's. Not sure I trust Rocky since I hear it's the same guy who sold out to Red Hat (IBM) once already. Big Corporations with deep pockets are the devil, they ruin smaller companies doing good things for the industry. (I'm looking at you Broadcom)
@@CathrineMacNiel That is true, but the problem is IBM doesn't really understand the concept of OpenSource. There were stories reported about IBM/Red Hat executives referring to downstream distributions as "Freeloaders". Credit where credit is due, Red Hat has done a lot to make Linux better, but no one really owns the code. IBM can't just buy Red Hat and expect to treat it like commercial software.
While current Kubuntu is on KDE 5, Kubuntu 24.10 that comes with KDE 6 is releasing in about a week. Mageia is another KDE focused slower update cycle distro - currently KDE 5 + x11. Next release somewhere at the end of this year I think.
Gary one thing i see in devuan's plasma in the latest stable is the lack of pipewire, since wayland rely on it to screen cast in videoconferences its kinda away from the "shiny new things" lol
Funny is that if you check the forums on whatever distribution you want, you will see that many problems and questions are KDE related. If KDE disappears tomorrow that forums can be closed easily. Probably is the most used DE in Linux.
Here's my .02 cents, Im a long time KDE fan, never really liked Gnome. I have been messing with linux for a decade i think and finally tried Fedora KDE. I liked it so much i was having trouble maintaining my "distro hopping" habit. I wanted to hop but just couldnt, then i finally said wth and jumped ship. I was bouncing between Cachy and Nobara. I chose Nobara since my Fedora experience was so good. I am absolutely loving Nobara so far. I did install Discover because i like to browse a catalog sometimes and i understand that in Nobara NEVER update the system with anything other than the Nobara system updater.
I cannot use Kubuntu 24 because of AMD card graphics issues. So I tried MX Linux with the KDE5 desktop. So far MX is doing the job well. But with some transitional problems. Mainly to do with my own scripts that were written for a Kubuntu environment.
Mint is great, but it does not have a KDE default desktop version. Of course, you can run KDE on anything if you want, but the official flavors of Mint are Cinnamon, Xfce, and Mate.
Yeah, weird take to then add Kubuntu& Opensuse, which are doing the same thing- **Edit** Sorry Gary, you say it's an open-source issue could argue snaps are closed in Kubuntu but it's a bit of a stretch. I'm a big fan of Ublue's Aurora based on Silverblue in the Fedora space
@@Destide Don't know about Kubuntu, but not weird about OpenSUSE at all. SUSE _does_ still provide the source for SLES/SLED to the public. Red Hat OTOH, no longer provides source for RHEL, except for their customers. Personally, I believe Red Hat _should_ be allowed to do that. Afterall, the public still has Fedora and CentOS Stream, and Red Hat devs are still contributing to it. It's not like it's a complete rug pull. But that's just me.
Why do you need a special Distro for KDE? Install what you want, put KDE on it. Done 🙂 Otherwise use the KDE live ISO to see it for the first time and there you go. That's how did it when switching from Mate to KDE. As base I use(d) Debian, meanwhile Arch, for no special reason. It just works, like Debian did before.
Some distros are only on KDE 5 and some people want KDE 6, for example! Some distros are still (last I checked) stuck on X, but Wayland is better for many/most use cases! Therefore, KDE Neon and KaOS are a far better fit than Kubuntu or Debian KDE, for some!
@@RegisBodnar yes, you're of course right. Honestly, there was a lot of hype around KDE Plasma 6 at the beginning of this year. I noticed when Arch made version 6 available and had to tweak some settings after the update ran. But as I use KDE mostly by keyboard and have terminal/browser/IDE tasks, there were not a lot changes for me. Maybe the file management is different, or panels can be arranged in a different way. Nothing that I notice. What I noticed were some issues after activating Wayland instead of X 🙂. But also without big trouble.
Well it isn't as simple as that, technically right but in practical sense wrong. Distros design a lot of things around the default Desktop Environment. Debian and Arch are so non specialized that it does just work. Slapping KDE on modern Linux mint or LMDE will not for example have a good experience. since so much is based around GTK3 you get a lot of useless overlap. I'm sure there are other examples but this I feel was the strongest one. You could shift everything over manually but at that point why not just use Neon or Kubuntu?
@@RafaCoringaProducoes That sounds like news from 15 years ago. PCLinuxOS is maintained and updated daily, the magazine is published regularly every month, the forum is excellent, the team that develops and maintains it is excellent, and in terms of content and capabilities it can only be compared to MXLinux. No other Linux meets my needs.
If i ran AMD, i would create my own Linux distribution and take full potential of the hardware. Current crappy Linux distributions can utilize only 10-20% of the cpu, lacking hardware acceleration and power management.
If that was true AMD would easily be able to make a distro like Intel's Clear Linux. 5x current performance in server would instantly win them all the datacenter contracts. Xeon would basically be no more outside niche use cases.
Another great video! I just want to add for anyone reading through the comments, Garuda Linux might be a good alternative to CachyOS for some as it's also Arch based and it's possible to install various kernels with BORE. Another alternative to what was mentioned for Debian might also be MX Linux.
I might consider CachyOS in the future, since that BORE scheduler is suppose to be good for gaming. A1RM4X uses and shows it with KDE but he is looking at Hyprland. I just use Ubuntu and Gnome 46 seems to work okay for the most part, but KDE is less bloated than Gnome I think and Hyprland is the most efficient. Thanks for going over KDE, Gary.
Been using Kubuntu for probably 15 years. The support is the best, because it's so closely tied to official Ubuntu releases.
There is a psychology study from decades ago that showed how we humans simply cannot cope with a wide selection of options to perform a task.
I do not think that should be interpreted as us being happy with, or even preferring, to have a non-choice like Windows thrust upon us, as is done in most PC sales outlets. But it does represent a barrier to the wider adoption of Linux.
I highly recommend EndeavourOS (arch), but for those that want a kind of "mint KDE" consider Tuxedo OS, is pretty much mint, with KDE, Kernel and Drivers updated
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Yeah EndeavourOS is great.
If you want to try Linux, most ditros have a live version, you can instell it on a USB-Stick and try out. No install needed.
Great video. Watching on KDE Neon until Kubuntu gets KDE 6
Thanks for not including Red Hat distros and highlighting Debian's commitment to free-software.
Because I think choosing a distro is less about looks and feel and more about the goals and philosophy of the project.
Great video, keep sticking it to Red Hat ( IBM ). Shortly after Red Hat put the source code behind a pay wall the CTO of Oracle wrote a really good open letter about the need for Open Source and their commitment to it. That raised my opinion a Oracle a little, I had a grudge against them ever since they erased all references to Sun Microsystems. (Showing my age I know) I tried Oracle Linux in a VM and it is absolutely a downstream version of RHEL with all the logos replaced with Oracle's. Not sure I trust Rocky since I hear it's the same guy who sold out to Red Hat (IBM) once already. Big Corporations with deep pockets are the devil, they ruin smaller companies doing good things for the industry. (I'm looking at you Broadcom)
how can it be a pay wall when it (a developer account) doesn't cost anything?
@@CathrineMacNiel That is true, but the problem is IBM doesn't really understand the concept of OpenSource. There were stories reported about IBM/Red Hat executives referring to downstream distributions as "Freeloaders". Credit where credit is due, Red Hat has done a lot to make Linux better, but no one really owns the code. IBM can't just buy Red Hat and expect to treat it like commercial software.
While current Kubuntu is on KDE 5, Kubuntu 24.10 that comes with KDE 6 is releasing in about a week.
Mageia is another KDE focused slower update cycle distro - currently KDE 5 + x11. Next release somewhere at the end of this year I think.
Thanks for your nice overview and nice animations between slides. What software did you use for making this presentation?
Gary one thing i see in devuan's plasma in the latest stable is the lack of pipewire, since wayland rely on it to screen cast in videoconferences its kinda away from the "shiny new things" lol
Had the same thoughs about fedora for a long time. Like "bro you are just beta testing this for the other product"
Thanks for the video. I've tried others but have stayed with Kubuntu.
Funny is that if you check the forums on whatever distribution you want, you will see that many problems and questions are KDE related. If KDE disappears tomorrow that forums can be closed easily. Probably is the most used DE in Linux.
MX linux - plasma 5, X11. Debian without systemd.
Artix Arch without systemd
Here's my .02 cents, Im a long time KDE fan, never really liked Gnome. I have been messing with linux for a decade i think and finally tried Fedora KDE. I liked it so much i was having trouble maintaining my "distro hopping" habit. I wanted to hop but just couldnt, then i finally said wth and jumped ship. I was bouncing between Cachy and Nobara. I chose Nobara since my Fedora experience was so good. I am absolutely loving Nobara so far. I did install Discover because i like to browse a catalog sometimes and i understand that in Nobara NEVER update the system with anything other than the Nobara system updater.
I love your stance on Fedora
only sane option tbh
@@bokocchop How ?
@@abdullahzafar4401 cause it's THE actual best KDE distro
Now you have my total attention sir!
Alt Linux - great distro with KDE variant available. And it is developed since year 2000, so it wouldn't just disappear like many other distros.
I cannot use Kubuntu 24 because of AMD card graphics issues. So I tried MX Linux with the KDE5 desktop. So far MX is doing the job well. But with some transitional problems. Mainly to do with my own scripts that were written for a Kubuntu environment.
I'm using Fedora KDE myself. Works great if you want to use the latest kernel and latest version of KDE
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@@GaryExplains Hey I mean it has great Framework 13 support out of the box, so it's very stable on my laptop
Can you do a tutorial for setting up Alpine Linux as a Desktop GUI? I want to try it, but I'm afraid I won't get the drivers or firewall right.
EndeavourOS 🥳🥳
I personally prefer cinnamon and I think the best fit is Ubuntu cinnamon with flatpack on top
I returned to devuan and regained the original feeling of Linux
10:20 🎉🎉🎉 was going to be sad if openSUSE didn’t make the list. lol.😅
I run kde Plasma on Zorin 17.2 Pro back-porting updates from Kubuntu.
Im running Arch with Kde, its perfect.
And what is your favorite one Garry ❓
NixOS for me btw. W kde it is just flawless: last drivers, last kernels etc.
If Red Hat being evil makes Fedora bad, I believe Canonical being evil should make Ubuntu bad - but still it made it to the list.
First time watching you, and you've already earned a like for your hard stance against RHEL!
Linux Mint!!!!!!!
Mint is great, but it does not have a KDE default desktop version. Of course, you can run KDE on anything if you want, but the official flavors of Mint are Cinnamon, Xfce, and Mate.
Only one flavor of distro should have been covered. Arch flavors were given more time.
CachyOS with ZFS FTW!
why the need for 3 Arch based distros but not 1 for Fedora KDE?
Did you not understand what I said about Fedora?
@@GaryExplains I actually did not paid attention at the intro (my bad)
sorry Gary!! 🙈
Plasma under Gentoo the best one
Where is Nobara?
It's Fedora based.
gentoo?
The RHEL boycott is incredibly based! Thumbs up!
Its less based as it is common sense 💪🏼🙏🏼👍🏼
But but but fedora 🥺
Yeah, weird take to then add Kubuntu& Opensuse, which are doing the same thing- **Edit** Sorry Gary, you say it's an open-source issue could argue snaps are closed in Kubuntu but it's a bit of a stretch. I'm a big fan of Ublue's Aurora based on Silverblue in the Fedora space
@@Destide Don't know about Kubuntu, but not weird about OpenSUSE at all. SUSE _does_ still provide the source for SLES/SLED to the public. Red Hat OTOH, no longer provides source for RHEL, except for their customers.
Personally, I believe Red Hat _should_ be allowed to do that. Afterall, the public still has Fedora and CentOS Stream, and Red Hat devs are still contributing to it. It's not like it's a complete rug pull. But that's just me.
EndeavourOS ❤❤
Why do you need a special Distro for KDE? Install what you want, put KDE on it. Done 🙂 Otherwise use the KDE live ISO to see it for the first time and there you go. That's how did it when switching from Mate to KDE. As base I use(d) Debian, meanwhile Arch, for no special reason. It just works, like Debian did before.
Some distros are only on KDE 5 and some people want KDE 6, for example! Some distros are still (last I checked) stuck on X, but Wayland is better for many/most use cases! Therefore, KDE Neon and KaOS are a far better fit than Kubuntu or Debian KDE, for some!
@@RegisBodnar yes, you're of course right.
Honestly, there was a lot of hype around KDE Plasma 6 at the beginning of this year. I noticed when Arch made version 6 available and had to tweak some settings after the update ran. But as I use KDE mostly by keyboard and have terminal/browser/IDE tasks, there were not a lot changes for me. Maybe the file management is different, or panels can be arranged in a different way. Nothing that I notice. What I noticed were some issues after activating Wayland instead of X 🙂. But also without big trouble.
Well it isn't as simple as that, technically right but in practical sense wrong. Distros design a lot of things around the default Desktop Environment. Debian and Arch are so non specialized that it does just work.
Slapping KDE on modern Linux mint or LMDE will not for example have a good experience. since so much is based around GTK3 you get a lot of useless overlap.
I'm sure there are other examples but this I feel was the strongest one.
You could shift everything over manually but at that point why not just use Neon or Kubuntu?
Wow, no Texudo.
Wow!
Debian is so old that cavemans was using it.
If you use that logic then the Linux kernel is the same and tools like gcc.
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PCLinuxOS is the best.
its basically kinda fedora with no systemd and own repos right? Never tried it, ive heard its not much maintained, what you think fellow
@@RafaCoringaProducoes That sounds like news from 15 years ago. PCLinuxOS is maintained and updated daily, the magazine is published regularly every month, the forum is excellent, the team that develops and maintains it is excellent, and in terms of content and capabilities it can only be compared to MXLinux. No other Linux meets my needs.
I tried KDE multiple times, but I can't stand how buggy it is, and how messy and outdated it looks.
If i ran AMD, i would create my own Linux distribution and take full potential of the hardware. Current crappy Linux distributions can utilize only 10-20% of the cpu, lacking hardware acceleration and power management.
Really? You think that current Linux distros can only utilize 20% of an AMD CPU. You got any proof for such a outrageous statement?
If that was true AMD would easily be able to make a distro like Intel's Clear Linux. 5x current performance in server would instantly win them all the datacenter contracts. Xeon would basically be no more outside niche use cases.
this is so wrong
Yes, that's why every supercomputer and data center runs on Linux, because it's so inefficient. /s