Has China won? How should Poland behave? Mahbubani, Góralczyk, Lubina, Zalewski [Napisy PL]
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- Опубликовано: 20 фев 2024
- 🎯 Dr. Krzysztof Zalewski of the Boym Institute in conversation with Prof. Kishore Mahbubani, Prof. Bogdan Góralczyk and Prof. Michal Lubina
✅Will an open conflict erupt between the US and China?
✅What does the Sino-US rivalry look like today?
✅ How does the conflict between great powers translate into European politics?
✅ Will China dominate Russia?
✅ How should Poland behave in the face of the global Sino-American dispute?
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Please ,
as a Chinese born in Taiwan , Europeans know so little about Taiwan , the just elected president only won 40 percent of votes , not representing most Taiwan resident's will.
Taiwan is the territory of China, Chinese people lost millions and thousands lives during the second world war and stopped the Japanese occupation of Taiwan.
For any Taiwan resident who does not want to be part of China, they are free to leave the island.
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precisely. taiwan belongs to China since the 13th century. don't like it, leave taiwan for yr allies in the west.
they won't listen you, and won't listen Chinese people. Kishore as Singaporean, has been reminded all of them the history and the key points, and told them do not ignored it...
but no one cares, the old stupid guy still focus on his own imagination as they hate russian in their DNA...
If one day, USA said, taiwan is belong to China, all of them here, you will see they will shut their fucking mouths up...
我是一名新加坡的华人，我乐见台海两岸早日统一，壮大我中华民族！
所有认同自己是中国人的台湾人，都是中华好儿女，都是炎黄子孙！
我是一名新加坡的华人！也是名当然的😅！
我朝盼暮盼，盼望台湾能早日回归祖国，实现中华民族完全统一的大业！❤
A Chinese friend said that if the world expects China to continue to behave like it did back when Bill Clinton bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, they can stuff it. The Americans pretty much got away with the bombing. The Chinese don't buy the excuse that it was a simple mistake that was made because the United States used an old map (an old map!). Nevertheless, whatever the truth was, the Americans made a half-hearted apology and the Chinese took it pretty much sitting down. This puts things in perspective. Is China just more assertive because they are vain or is China finally standing up for its rights and interests just like every other nation should?
The Chinese didn't fight back like Iran did for the bombing of their consular building in Syria. Sending $100m worth of drones and missiles guided by Beidu or Glonass to retaliate and resulting in more than a billion dollars of defensive missiles and jets sorties from Israel US and UK
Just a continuation of the century of humiliation at the elephant today
half-hearted? the muricans have no heart
Japan lives in fear of retribution from china.
Mearsheimer is an American exceptionalist who is only against America being in the wrong wars.
As a European, having lived in Asia as well, I cannot understand why Europe is freaking out. Actually I can, as family members of mine studied in elite schools in Europe and it was just disgusting what profs and students were talking about.
West's HYPOCRACY and ARROGANCE are the source of West's situation.
A better world for Africa and Euro-Asia is rising. It's just West that declines. So no worries. Just adjust.
Love Kishor's discussions.
True, world is flourished bcos of China. It just the Anglosaxon who's the menace of everything
It was Anglosaxon' fear of mean by medias, instead they made Europe into pieces
If Asia is that great why don't you go back?
In front of Kishore these Polish people are just as pupils, totally different levels.
Primary school pupils going ahead to fight with Russia......pity them.
Exactly, I am surprised, too.
They seemed to
be students; straightforward, pure, simplicity...
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Sad to see the lack of Independent critical thinking of these Polish scholars. They are reciting mostly what they have been fed by the Anglo-Saxons media and America agendas.
Wumao
@@TacticalMayoPolish are actually American made humanoids, programmed to think like them. Polish has no independent mind, a mere vassal deprived of intellect.
@@TacticalMayo You are watching too much of that self-claimed China expert, aka, that S. African guy and his friend who keep making up fake stories.
as the Usa next door Neighbour Mexico we know more or less that The Usa Elite will NEVER TREAT OTHER CULTURES as Equals Unfortunatedly Polish Society Seem Blind to this Fact!!! Thanks for Sharing!!
@@TacticalMayo polack?
Kishore is a star. No bs just plain facts.
To be fair, the contest is started by the U.S., China has no choice but to fight it head on.
My exact thoughts.
Taiwan is recognise by EU as Chinese territory. let not pretend and have illusion that Taiwan is independent, it is not. it maybe a rebel state like donbass, but at the end of the day, EU is not going to recognise Taiwan anymore than Donbass, and just as Ukraine has the right to fight for Donbass, China has the right to fight for Taiwan. it is therefore more logical for EU to encourage peaceful unification than to oppose it.
the stupid old poles only living in his own imagination. His world just like Angroux-Saxon knowledge feeds to him, and he has taken it all. just a angroux-saxon's sound recorder. Poland, it a country can create artist, scientist(maybe soon not), but no great politician...so far no one was
If taiwan is independent than the exact comparison in the Western hemisphere are like Scotland🏴 independent from England, Catalonia should independent from Spain and the new entry is Texas independence. That's what I recognized so far. 😅😅😅
Donbass and Taiwan are not the same. The vast majority of the people in Donbass are ethnic Russians, it's only normal for them to want to return to the motherland.
Dispute between China and Taiwan is about who is the rightful ruler of China.
Kishore point about mike pompeo provocative speech is spot on. Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Ukraine and Gaza would have peace if america didn't stir provocation and light up conflict and wars. Unfortunately for the world, america's modus operandi is to spread deceit, stir up conflict, incite regime changes, start up wars to enrich itself and maintain its hegemony.
As a Chinese, it's really unfair that, except for Dr. Mahbubani, it looks like everyone agrees that they don't want China to become a big Goble power; that is the problem. That's not fair bc Chinese people want to improve our lives, and as a result, if everyone's life improves, China will become a significant global power. And I think that's why Dr. Mahbubani said their is no way to suppress China, bc if you want to suppress China you are not against communist or CCP or Xi, you are against all Chinese people's will to have a fair chance to get a good life.
The rest of the world (including Poland, of course) should Listen carefully to diplomats as Prof. Mahbubani.
"Poland should be pro-Poland" - krótko, zwięźle i na temat! Super rozmowa/debata. :)
Trzaskowski własnie ogłosił że nie chce CPK i będzie bronił okęcia . Jak sie nie wypierdoli tych elitt to nie ma na to szans zeby prowadzic polityka " Poland should be pro Poland "
If I am not mistaken, the founding father of Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew had said that "the future of Taiwan is not to be determined by the wishes of the people of Taiwan" ........ as the "Taiwan’s international fate was, in fact, sealed at the Cairo Conference in 1943" ..( because in order to end the war, 🇯🇵Japan had to surrender unconditionally and had to return back Manchuria, Taiwan and the Pescadores islands to CHINA ) .... henceforth,
both the Constitution of 🇹🇼 ROC and the Constitution of 🇨🇳 PRC stipulate that the mainland and Taiwan are part and parcel of one CHINA.
IMO, for the sake of resolving the familial domestic "Taiwan question", the central govt of 🇨🇳PRC finds it reasonable and acceptable to negotiate with the govt of🇹🇼 Taiwan Free Region of CHINA ( on the basis of "1992 consensus" ) to achieve a peaceful reunification.
两 岸 一 家 亲, 家 和 万 事 兴.
Well said 👏
Poland chose to support Zelensky against Russia SCO.
This action itself showed that the present Polish Government has put all its eggs into the US+NATO+Ukraine War against Russia.
No hedging at all but go for broke in this poker game.😢
Poland wants the west Ukraine, that's why. But shouldn't Poland help Russia to get what Poland wants?
👍 Mahbubani is the real expert 👍👏👏👏👏👏👏✌️
These two Poland scholars are very idealistic and didn’t get some of the basics. Poland needs to balance between US and Russia, not between US and EU. Russia doesn’t want Poland because they learned a heavy lesson in the 1950~1980, when USSR incorporated all the countries they have militarily occupied. It took Russia 10 years to incorporate Donbas regions.
Russia absolutely wants Poland because it desperately wants to secure its borders, and it can do this by securing various gaps to effectively shorten its border. During the Soviet Empire they controlled all 9 of these gaps, and the most important of them is in Poland. Stalin wasn't stupid, and he got everything he wanted during the peace settlement after WW2. During the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1992 they controlled of influenced only 1 or 2 of these gaps, and every war that Russia has waged (I think there are 9 wars that Russia has waged since 1992) has been for these control of these gaps. When secured they shrink the 'border' from 5000 miles to about 500 miles. Since we know that the Russian army is little more that an armed mob after the Ukrainian Invasion, when they go after Poland they will give NATO a choice: lose London, Berlin, and Washington in nuclear fire or let the Russians control the territory.
@@hydroac9387 you were correct about a “stupid” old Russia. It was a mistake to take over so many countries when they were strong. It almost destroyed Russia itself. USSR expanded into China as well. It pushed China towards USA during cold war. If Russians didn’t learn from history, they were stupidest people, but I don’t think so.
They are doubting themselves and so they invited Mr. Kishore.
This truth bomb is so chilling! “All great powers never put their values first; they put their interests first.” 1:09:10
But yes Deng xiao ping at the time was attacking the old communists mindset to adapt to the new reality to get out of their quagmire. I also recall it's the same Deng xiao ping ping that came up with the famous quote ' black cat, white cat as long it catches a mouse' . That quote should be quite explanatory about the the Chinese model which Westerners want to categorize into a certain bucket and give no credit to the fact that it can adapt and change on the fly and at Chinese speed to face any roadblocks. So, the arrival of Xi jing ping isn't a rebuttal of Deng xiao ping , Mao tsectung or whoever came b4. It's just an adaptation to the new reality. That was a wise choice as we saw China go from strength to new highs in the past 10 years of Mr Xi's stewardship whether the West likes it or not.
Kishore Mahbubani lectures should be mandatory for western politicians. His insights are top notch and well researched and analyzed
His book as cheap as chips
@@Victorianukeland Typical ignorant aren't you not?
Dobra robota panowie. Mam wrażenie, że nasza debata jest strasznie wsobna - bardzo rzadko pojawiają się w niej głosy z zagranicy
What a learning opportunity for even educated Europeans about the lack of knowledge about Geopolitics of Asia.
No trzeba powiedziec ze ponad godzinna rozmowa z Mahbubanim to spora rzecz, gratuluje
If polish elites have the similar view of Kishore......... unfortunately not
Interests first, not values first 👍
Amazing conversation, thank you gentlemen. From Iraq.
Poland should stand for itself and its own voter's interests
It should avoid adventures that does not benefits its long term safety and prosperity. Given the tragedy of the past 2 centuries under hands of its nightmarish neighbors Poland should try to preserve as much room to maneuver as possible, and not be a pawn cruelly used. Remember, it will be the Polish people who have to pay the prices for these consequences and foot the bill and in such circumstances it's beneficial its people keep what they have, the options they have, and have more in the coming future.
*Dzięki*
Unfortunately, Poland has never had a very wise leader. This may have something to do with their national character.
@@davidz7858 agree, my opinion they are over proud, and over estimated themselves. Now alliances and 100% rely on America against neighbors east and west, which is over 8000 kilometers Away😄😄😄. It is so difficult to understand
The US never wanted and alliance between Germany and Russia since it would have emerged bigger. What they didn't comsider at that time after the second world war was the emegence of china and its dalliance with Russia. Sino Russian combination is unbeatable.
Please incourge peace talks and get all country to talk peace
We have two many country talking up war
We need every country talking peace,
The Poles are too obsessed with their past experiences under the Germans and then the Russians and we can understand that though the Poles themselves were often part of that experiences. They have no direct experience with the Chinese whose basic concern is creating a more equitable scenario where all their provinces have some equitable chance to improve themselves; though in reality, this is also a challenge when the provincial leaders simply jumped into housing developments. Hence, China has to spend huge sums to develop her logistics infrastructure to provide a more equitable chances for the poorer provinces to tact along. It is wrong for the Poles to assume that China seeks a strong central Government just to consolidate power! That nation is simply too large and has too many people to progress forward. Prof. Mahbubani had the experiences since he helped the founder of Singapore to develop the little island to her current status.
33:00
Blinken said something interesting at Munich: if you are NOT at the dinner table, you are on the menu. Quite revealing, quite realpolitik.
Poland is not at the dinner table. Poland is on the dinner table with Ukraine. The question is, does Poland want to get off the dinner table, or pretend to sleep on the dinner table, or imagine it sitting at the table while chewing its own flesh?
Just for comparison,North Korea is so distasteful, it got off the dinner table because nobody wants to eat it.
North Korea is smarter than all of european countries combined. North Korea has sovereignty whereas european countries are mere spineless slaves of amerikkka and have no sovereignty, even to the extent of destroying their economies and ignoring their citizens' interests.
Ładnie Mahbubani wyjaśnił Góralczyka z tym że Chiny zrezygnowały z dengowskiego "low profile". To jest chyba logiczne że Chiny za czasów Denga i Chiny dziś to nie tylko inne państwo, ale wręcz inna planeta. Chiny to największa siła wytwórcza świata, pierwsza gospodarka realnie, a druga nominalnie i jest zupełnie naturalne że kontestują skrzywiony na korzyść państw Zachodu system międzynarodowy.
Tak, jak niegdyś zjednoczone pod przywództwem Prus Niemcy.
Paradoks tkwi w tym że ten wzrost był możliwy dzięki zachodniemu konsumentowi , bez tego nie byłoby wielkich Chin.Wydaje mi się że ten cały Bricks wraz ze swoją walutą będzie tylko alternatywą dla dolara nie zaś jego następcą . Pozdrawiam
@@marcelcichon8232 Well observation.
Why should they have a low profile, they are not a vassal of the USA.
@@marcelcichon8232Without colonization, Europe wouldn't have amassed and robbed so much wealth from their colonies and gave them a headstart in development. Don't forget, Europe was in the Dark Age when China was more advanced.
„For Europe… primary threat is not going to come from Russia… no Russian tanks threaten Europe….” Pan ekspert Makubani w 2018 roku „Has the West lost it?”
Go Kishore! He's great!! 😆
Except he's wrong about Russia and China, they really are strong allies currently
中国和俄国不是盟友，即便勉强算是盟友，也仅仅是短期内的权宜之计。@@supahsmashbro
Is it wrong of having a good ambition for the prosperity ofthe people and country??? You mean only the West can have that?
Amazingly surprised the quality of those so called professors, of course without Mr Kishore, they are mentality and ideologies so narrow and shortsighted, so no wonder how and why the sad history of Poland Has been repeatedly happened
No Panowie, jestem pod wrażeniem. Znakomity materiał.
Always remember 'Humans can plan GOD can disrupt'.🙏
While we in the East always regard the West as the Centre of Knowledge and Learning, it really befuddles me the Majority of the West are so ignorant of what is happening in the world? Notwithstanding, as Lao Tzu famously said, A journey of a thousand steps starts with the first step...." Good debate
Fascinating discussion, it’s rare for Europeans to engage in a more realistic discussion.
W $%^& daleko mi do NK ale tę debatę obejrzałem z prawdziwą przyjemnością.
When there is elephant fighting, grass suffers. China Has similar proverb. Fire at city gate affects pond fish
59:59
If Taiwan declares independence, PRC will reengage the civil war.
Notice that there had never been any treaty or even armistice between PRC and ROC.
Świetna rozmowa, dziękuję bardzo.Wielka szkoda że nie dodano polskiego tłumaczenia dla szerszej części Polaków zainteresowanych tematem.
Bardzo ciekawa rozmowa ,oby więcej takich spotkań z zagranicznymi specjalistami w kontrze z naszymi profesorami . Dobra robota . Pozdrawiam
As a Chinese descent I could not agree with dr. Mahbubani more in his understanding how the Chinese think and their culture. While the other three have no clues about China and trying to claim to be an "expert" in this matter, please, you are not qualify to discuss this issue!
NK - tak rzadko a nawet nigdy nie bylo i pedko nie bedzie takiego zestawu, szkoda ze 1.20 tylko na to poswieciliscie. Jesli juz ktos tak zajety jak KM sie godzi na wywiad , warto ro lepiej wykorzystac. min 1.40, bo jak bylo widac, pan Lubina mial za malo czasu....ale i tak szacun, chcemy wiecej takich gosci
I have to say, these two experts from Poland never try to understand China indeed.
Bardzo ciekawa dyskusja.
Super 👌 praca I goscie
Rewelacja
I can see Kishore was suffering.
War affects not only the warring parties, but also the rest of the world, directly or indirectly; the worst suffers are the ones who possess morality, humanity, and conscience.
Znakomita dyskusja i goście
Well done 👏
Why Poland is so interested in USA and China conflict- ? 🤣
Poland soldiers are dying in Ukraine.
Since the disintegration of the Soviet Union in 1992, the national strategy of the United States has become to Do everything possible to prevent the emergence of a regional power in Germany, the former Soviet Union and East Asia.
This was the headline of an article in The New York Times in 1992.
Poland is important but just not that important on a global scale.
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Pamiętam jak kongresmeni mowili kiedy 1x wygrał tramp ze to ostatni moment żeby pokonach Chiny ale nie wiadomomo czy nie jest za późno.
Nice one ☝️
Chinese prepares to substitute their Nitrogen Maglev train for Jet engines... Chinese prepares to use Chinese Nitrogen Maglev train to run at 600 km / hour .. which will change the Air Line industry in China
我是一名新加坡的华人！也是名当然的😅！
我朝盼暮盼，盼望台湾能早日回归祖国，实现中华民族完全统一的大业！❤
Switch the roles, if China is under democratic rule like Spore and Taiwan under CCP,
1) do you think Taiwan under CCP will accept China under democratic rule?
2) do you think it is better under absolute dictatorial rule or political accountable democratic rule like Singapore?
3) 统一的大业 is just like marriage with common value, don't you agreed?
If cannot to agree, just maintain status quo and need not to threaten like a bully to force a marriage by war but by courtship. If CCP cannot understand such a simple logic, they don't deserve to unite (marriage) Taiwan.
@@user-jx4uf1ko2u 👋👋👋👍👍
Sounds like the Polish people know NOTHING about Taiwan history (not the people in this video),
therefore they should not taking sides about Taiwan issue.
The world especially those from the west better get to know China well, its history cultural & political system. China was down for the last 150 years but is regaining its position as the world's moat powerful superpower for the past 2,000 year.
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China all day
Zalewski, to który uniwersytet jest najlepszy ??
Warszawski! A Jagielloński najstarszy:). Taki żarcik, na rozluźnienie atmosfery na początek. Z prof. Michałem Lubiną 😀znamy się już chwilkę,
@@krzysztofzalewski4287 sponio, nie konfrontuj od początku, bo chiny też się konfrontują z usa 🤪poza tym debata bardzo dobra
@@qpon79 To przyjacielska prowokacja. Cieszę się, że się podobało i pozdrawiam Kraków, miasto mojego taty.
Yes, China win with hands down!
1:00:00 Burma: aka civil war where no other then USA has interest in, is fighting with US weapons suppliers.
Why doesn't no one say the obvious that USA has priced itself ogut of the market by wanting astromical profit margins.
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1:05:00 let it be noted aka Taiwanese are mix of local, Chinese, Japanese, European of time pass. They can be remove.
China and Rusia uraa💪
Last month, Xi said to visiting ex Taiwan president Ma: if Taiwanese just need to admit that we are all Chinese, sisters, and brothers from the same ancestors. Xi's only request, nothing else.
Poland should understand, USA is playing checker with the world, Russia in Chess and China in GO....
36:00 China PRC growth in the next 10 = 20 years comparisons... European aka Poland should ride with a winner....
America !!! what is your problem ???
Kishore’s laugh shows how narrow minded these people are
After watching the debate the western mind is still inmature and narrow minded. Sad but true😂 Mahbubani had a hard time opening out the 3 scholars perception.
Japan relation with is one of master and lackey
The only person talking sense appear on the bottom left corner........
THERE'S NO SMART USA POLITICIANS(ONLY CORRUPTED)....BUT ONLY STUPID SCIENTISTS/VOTERS (60%) WHO FOLLOWED THEM.....😊😅😂
You R RIGHT...😊❤😊
31:00 China against Russia in the last 30 year: WHAT FOR ??? should be the answer for looking back never benefit....
Ongoing conflict still happening in Burma because the US was and probably still are involved in that area.
1:04:50. Status quo is, Accordingly to the ROC constitution, Taiwan is a province of China, with the seat of government in Taipei. It has the sacred duty to re-incorporate the mainland into its fold.
The quests seem to be all very knowledgeable re China. Certainly China had discharged hegemony in its history, but usually giving away more than it received.
Also, another yardstick for china to measure it’s own greatness is in 小康与大同，both rooted someways in socialism. Hence, any private enterprise acting too greedily will be reminded that it’s success has been under the safety umbrella of the central government.
It's very difficult to hear the narrator!
Chinese in the Mainland seem very much lost patience with the Taiwan people as well as their government, as most of the Taiwan people has deny their nationality as Chinese but instead prefers to call themselves Taiwanese, and the government has kept pushing their agenda for independence.
We even hear sayings in the Mainland like " Taiwan Island is Chines territory whereas the Taiwan people are not Chinese."
These Polish so-called scholars just shown the world once again how hopleless the future of Poland will be.
17:00 China PRC: If one think outside of their party name "Communist", you will see China PRC is little of it's old way before 1840, Governing like Queen Victoria 1850 Empire and one who learn their lesson from China’s Century of Humiliation. Best way to see China future by Deng Xiaoping famously said "It doesn't matter whether a cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice." and follow by Deng Xiaoping said "To Get Rich is Glorious"
you are discussing poland shall allie which who: US or China. But it should follow prof. idea like maximuze poland interest and may think other great power-
15:00 Another thing of the Ukraine War cause to China PRC, it has held back, stop of China's Asia to and from European market trade via rail system, instead cargo by ship instead of China's wishes thru their Rail System via Ukraine.
11:00 Another ASEAN member should be aware, S'pore, your arrangement w/US Navel Fleet to stop trade on Straits of Malacca... Know this name, for China PRC is partner... the Kra Canal or Kra Isthmus Canal
48:00 When a Corporation Chairman is doing well for the population aka Berkshire Hathaway, does one really want change
China PRC government today is like the West Indie Trade, American Standard, Berkshire Hathaway why change China PRC
47:00 Deng Xiaoping idea: Like before Mao Zedong and after his death comes Xi Jinping, China PRC is changing....
1:20:00 In the end, like the Rome, Hatta, Greek States... island of Taiwan, population no more because of USA
57:00 island of Taiwan issue: President Jimmy Carter - Speech on Relations with China
ruclips.net/video/37azeXBjYJc/видео.html Is there a question to whom OWN THE ISLAND OF TAIWAN.
At issue of island of Taiwan, is the 100 year return of China as a whole....
China PRC want the island from China’s Century of Humiliation, but it does not need the population with war with USA
Haha, Lepper.
10:00 ASEAN like to get along with USA & China: that will never happen as ASEAN has a US Lap Dog in their nest: Filipino
China PRC will continue to work with each member state of South Pacific, but if Lap Dog draw ASEAN in, that is their issue for China's non-interference directive will stand for Henry Kissinger Quote:
“To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.”
1:12:00 in the end, Poland, should not be with China nor USA, but for the Polish people... Who is taking you to WAR and whom is not aka China PRC.... China never ask Poland to go to war in it's history....
What is CHINY ?
Poland should work for USA interest 🤣
If they're less terrified of Russia, they would see there are more options in the world they can reach out to balance with. But I do see this is probably too much to ask at present