1. Lamar 2. Saquon 3. Josh Lamar and Saquon are having record-breaking seasons. Josh is just doing better than he has during his career, which is cool. Just not as good as the other 2.
@thequiethypemedia chiefs game outplayed Mahomes and lost by a toe on the line. Steelers game cancels itself out because they whooped on them. And the eagles loss goes to 7 points left on the field by Tucker. While the defense was dead last in ranking in those games. Be different if they lost cuz of him. Steelers game another game where Tucker left 7-9 points on the field
What's really impressive to me is the fact that we always had Lamar Jackson in the MVP conversation since 2019... Remember this is the guy who should switch to RB or WR.
The Bengals backup Quarterback threw for 400 yards and a perfect passer rating his first start after Burrow got hurt last season. Burrow has the best WR core in the league! Burrow is not carrying the Bengals by himself.
The Ravens came into the season losing 4 starters on defense and the defensive coordinator. The defense of the Ravens for the first 10 weeks of the season was the worst in the league. On top of Tucker having the worst year of his career. None of Lamar's interceptions are his fault. Lamar also played better than Mahomes in their match up. Go look at the game and the stats. Lamar went 26/41 273 and 1TD with 16 carries for 122 yards. Mahomes 20/28 291 1TD and 1 Int. Joe Burrow has 2 of the top 10 WRs in the league when that's more than half of his stats right there. And people want to talk about Lamar doesnt have any moments when the media when the Ravens were projected to be the 3rd best team in the AFC north, and here they are on top of the division especially due to the fact that their schedule is the 4th hardest in the NFL. Lamar has had plenty of MVP moments every time he touches the field. Look at that Bengals game where the ball was fumbled at the line he picked it up, stiff armed and put a DLineman into the ground rolled to the right to the sideline to throw a cross body pass away from the direction he was throwing to Likely for a TD. He broke Vicks all time rushing yards record. He is on pace to break the single season passer rating record held by Aaron Rogers. Will be the first NFL QB to pass over 4k yards and have more than 800 yards on the ground. The Ravens have played 10 games vs playoff teams and if the bengals make it in 12. 7-3 record if the Bengals dont make it or 9-3 if the Bengals make the playoffs. The Bills would be 4-3 vs Playoff teams including losing to Baltimore and if the Dolphins make the playoffs then their record would be 6-3 with the 21st hardest schedule in the NFL. Also understand that by the time the Bills played the Lions, the Lions were on their 2nd and 3rd string defense. The Lions lost 13 players on defense going into that game and losing 3 more that same game. So impressive beating up on the back ups and practice squad players. And if yall wanna use the WR seperation as an argument, think about this, Lamar is such a threat teams would rather put everyone in the box to stop Lamar instead let Lamar run. That has been the strategy most of this season and we see how that is working. Josh doesnt create that much of a threat as Lamar which is why the seperation isnt as great. Dont say its cuz of King Henry because he is having a great year as well helping Lamar but Lamar is helping him as well with Henry's highest yards per carry in his career. This is the easiest 1800-yard season he has had his whole career with less touches from any season he had at least 1500 yards. Argue if you want to the facts are the facts.
I think Lamar left some moments on the field he’s playing great don’t get me wrong but to win 3 MVPs and b2b he needed that Chiefs and Eagles win Josh and Saquon have better cases to get their first than Lamar to get his 3rd imo
Philadelphia proof of concept. Jalen Hurts finally got a running back that will honor the line and follow his blocking. Defense keys on Hurts, Barkley has clear sailing. Seeing as how neither the eagles or ravens had it figured out week one. And the running backs didn't get really going until halfway through the season, I expect both Henry and Barkley to break Eric Dickerson record next season.
Answer this Bills boy! All haters of LJ bring up Chiefs game in week 1versus Bills win over Mahomes as proof of Allen's superiority. Then I bring up Week 4 in Baltimore (funny how this Allen disaster never comes up) and Josh support say that game was early on, and Allen is different player. So Head-to-head crushing by Lamar means nothing\g because game was early, BUT!!!, Our week 1 loss coming up a toe short, with refs as Mahomes' cheer squad, is super relevant. I could list, all day, hypocritical stuff spewed out by LJ haters, but deep down its all just voter fatigue and basically people want to penalize Lamar for winning 2 MVPs in his only 3 full years as a starter. Voters are specifically instructed to throw out any and all data on players except the year in question's (2024) regular season. Whatever, give it to Josh so My team doesn't have to deal with this toxic, unimportant stuff, compared to the playoffs and a playoff run to New Orleans.
@@topherlandslide33 well the Chiefs, Steelers and Eagles loss are the games I look at that could’ve sealed the deal for Lamar plus Allen team was looked at as a rebuilding team so the fact that they are where they are makes him a stronger candidate the Ravens record is slightly underwhelming versus where people thought they’d be ijs
@@thequiethypemediabut he got the Steelers W back. And he was in both of those games against the Chiefs and Eagles(would’ve won the eagles game if a certain kicker made his kicks) and Josh has had one of the easier strength of schedules. Josh being 21st and Lamar being 4th
@ the Eagles game was on Lamar too he was up 10-0 and missed too many important throws like the screen to Zay and he missed Andrew’s on a wide open go route that allowed the Eagles to still run the ball and ultimately comeback and in the Chiefs game Lamar made it hard on his wide receivers by being slightly off target even on the last throw to Likely and you gotta take in consideration he’s going for b2b MVPs and Saquon and Allen are going for their first we should be harder on Lamar due to that fact as well
@ but he also made great plays in those games to give us the win lmao like the pass to Nelly that was right in his hands that he dropped vs the eagles and the pass to likely in the back of the endzone vs the chiefs was perfect but he just was off by a toenail on getting two feet in the problem vs the eagles was he didn’t use his legs enough Buttttt it still shouldn’t have mattered if Tuck makes those kicks 🤷🏿♂️
@ and Tuck missing cost us the first Steelers game as well and not to mention Justice hill getting stripped of the ball and the same thing happening to Likely and The King
Ain't nobody thought the Bills was going to be trash, that's just the narrative. Besides Diggs they remained the same. Amari, and Shakir are elite. Cook has 15 rushing touchdowns with that massive O-line. And let's not forget the Ravens trashed the Bills.
The man in the top left mentions the Chiefs, Eagles, and Steelers games where Lamar didn't look great(All 3 league leading defenses). Meanwhile Josh Allen had 3 horrible performances against the 1.Ravens 73.9 passer rating/55.2 completion %, 2. Texans 56.4 Pass rating/30.0 comp %, 3. Colts 60.6 pass rating/59% comp %, Patriots 67 pass rating/55.2 comp %, and even against the Chiefs when he "showed why hes the MVP" he wasn't great. 83.5 Pass rating/67% comp %/ 262 yards/ 1 TD/ 1 INT. For reference, Lamar Jackson in his bad games you mentioned are as follows. 1. Chiefs 90.8 Pass rating/ 63.4 pass rating/ 273 yards/ 1 TD/ 0 INT, 2. Eagles 101.3 Pass rating/63.9 Comp %, 3. 1st Steelers game 66.1 pass rating/48.5 comp %. Obviously that Steelers game was horrible. But he DID go back 4 weeks later and put up a 115.4 Pass rating/ 65%/ 207 yard/ 3 TD/ 1 INT game to redeem himself. Josh isn't redeeming any of those games. I think for every bad game Lamar has played Josh Allen has a worse game this season. Idk how using any metric you could give Josh Allen the MVP over Lamar.
They said this guy wouldn't last 3 years in the nfl. They also said he wasnt a QB. Now years later They said this same guy is winning too many MVPs 😂 In 7 seasons, this same guy has achieved the same milestones as HOF QBs and broken records in far less games. MV3.
Shakir has more yards than Bateman 141 yards. 5.1 yards average for Cook. Lamar head to head career against Burrow went like this season. Burrow has two number 1 wrs
Point. Josh Allen's team was considered not a contender even though it has Josh Allen. The expectation is that Lamar Jackson's team is going to be competitive because it has Lamar Jackson.
@thequiethypemedia we don't need to denigrate to elevate. Josh Allen should make his teammates more effective. He's doing a good job. Lamar Jackson saved harbaughs job. Lamar Jackson took over a trash team and carried them to the playoffs. Josh Allen was handed a playoff team and carried to the playoffs whenever he was still a shotput chucker trucker. He's always been a good runner. I wouldn't want to tackle that big guy. He's a business decision. Lamar Jackson is in a division that's been the best in the league during his tenure. The first season he starts he's winning an MVP with a bunch of guys you couldn't name. The ravens front office strategy is Lamar Jackson is going to win most games. The people on his team are relevant and useful because of Lamar Jackson's gravity. Lamar Jackson effectively doubles his running backs output. He makes his line grade higher too. He basically has to pin the ball to his receivers underwear for them to try to catch the ball. The bills give no credit to anyone else on their team. If you have that dude you're competitive until he gets overwhelmed and gets usage injury. With respect, Josh Allen should make it work with whoever he gets. Lamar had games with Nelson Aguilar being relevant. Nelson Aguilar is used as an epithet in Philadelphia for years. His drops lost Lamar Jackson the Philadelphia game. Philadelphia left him open and Aguilar reliably dropped important momentum swinging passes. Bouncing off his chest drops. Look at Jalen Hurts. He's unfortunately gone into the playoffs overused and injured every season. He gives all the glory to his teammates. All of his linemen are household names to celebrity Rockstar. The last time he played Josh Allen , Hurts made the game winning play. Hurts gravity doubled saquon Barkley output. Hurts makes his teammates better. They play better because he puts the spotlight on them. I wish he could have saved reager. He tried. Kept giving him chances. Lamar Jackson gravity doubled Derek Henry output. Josh Allen should make his running back more effective. Cook has pro bowl numbers. He's right behind Henry and I give Josh Allen some credit for that.
Lamar Jackson went 14-2 with an MVP and name his impactful teammates. Similar to Cam Newton 15 and 1 with no memorable offensive teammates. James Stewart was good whenever he played.
Bro Lamar go have more MVPs than playoff wins gotta start being less forgiving for these regular seasons and hold him to a higher standard Allen and Saquon are more than deserving to get their first rather than Lamar getting his 3rd smh
@ for b2b and 3 total MVPs tho? It’s a reason why mj didn’t win the MVP every year because his individual standards gets higher and higher Lamar imo didn’t do enough to get his 3rd like Allen and Saquon did enough to get their first rather than
@ he is having a prime Aaron Rodgers (who has multiple MVPs) passing season while also adding 900 rushing yards. He will lead the league in yards per pass and yards per rush. Never been done. No one has ever had 40 TDs and less than 5 INTs. I could literally make the case this the best individual season of all time and not be exaggerating.
@ the team record not as impressive people had higher expectations granted if he would’ve pulled out that Chiefs, 1st Steelers and Eagles game it would be an open and shut case he just didn’t close I’m just trying to not give the man more MVPs than playoff wins if their are other qualified players Rodgers probably didn’t deserve all those MVPs either Saquon needs way more consideration than he’s getting
The Ravens have NINE pro bowlers, five on offense. The Bills have two pro bowlers, and the only one other than Josh is on defense I'm sorry, but that says a lot about what each has to work with.
Joe burrow shows up his line. While guys like Jalen Hurts uses what his line gives him to make them all household names. When was the last time a center became a big media personality and a tackle becomes a rockstar. How many offensive lineman interviews have you heard in your entire life? Hurts is a leader who spotlights his team. Joe needs to weaponize his running better. Unless its open open he just takes a sack. He needs to get a couple yards positive more often instead of taking the sack losses.
Lamar - It's easier to build a better roster around Lamar. Evades the pass (don't need as robust of an offensive line) + high rushing floor (turned average RBs like Gus Edwards to a good RB). + Done the most with the least (like ya homie said you can't name 3 of Lamar's WR from the first MVP)
Lmao that comment about the offensive line is the dumbest I've heard lol o line most important even with lamar under center. The game is won and lost in the trenches lol
@goke313 yeah so what's your point? All great players make the people around them play better. It's not a seceret. And lamar is a great qb. Any halfway intelligent gm and coach will want to put the best possible line in front of their qb no matter how great they are. I mean just look at the line he had in 2019. One of the lineman is up for hall of fame voting this year, one was voted all pro and probowl and brown was also probowl. Oh and hollywood brown willie snead seth roberts and myles boykin
They played 3 division teams in the first ten games so that argument goes out the windows. Josh had more stats than Lamar last year so that destroys thar argument. It's not a numbers award.
Lamar has started 14 drives inside the opponents 50. Allen has started 28 drives inside the opponents 50. If Lamar fails to put up a 102.0 RTG, he is 0-5. if Allen fails to put up a 102 RTG he is 4-2. Lamar is at historic level and will be in the running for best ever QB season. Allen is almost MVP level. Lamar NEEDS to be MVP level for his team to win. Allen does not, per the stats.
Allen against Rams?? What did these guys are watching?? When Ravens struggles and nothing has said, and depleted Texans, Steelers look at their previous games, they were terrible!! And WOW Ravens super hero lol.. Allen would destroyed Rams by himself if they had 5 more minutes and Defense can hold just one possession.. Watch those prime time gams Allen vs Lamar.. I can watch Bills game every week SNF 🍿 with lack of talents front and back.. and enjoy the game for 3 hours.. Allen doesn’t destroy teams to built stats.. Bills will run most 2nd half and not doing much but score 30+ points..
Sooooo Allen should win the MVP because he beats Patrick Mahonnes every year??? Oh and Derrick Henry went off against the Bills. Lamar was average in that game.
Lamar MVP Lamar wins everything except Rushing TDs. Better vs Playoff teams, strength of Victory&Schedule. Historical season, Only thing Allen has is rush TDs. At this point it's a pity vote if All won
@thequiethypemedia Higher Standard? I hold no.8 to the highest standard but what I don't do is move goal posts on him like AM Talking heads etc. Payton Manning had sub. 500 to 500 Playoff record dang near half his career and NFL media still gave him 4&5 MVPs as he stunk up the joint. Same for Rodgers 4x MVP bad Playoff performer. So Lamar is transcendent he's among the alltimers. Nobody is putting up 4k/900/122 rating szns. Nobody is Barry Sanders + Aaron Rodgers = Lamar. He's Michael Jordan of NFL. I'm not going to have double standards for him. And give lesser Qbs pity MVPS
@thequiethypemedia Obviously I believe most want to see no.8 get the ultimate Trophy just so he can stop getting dragged by AM Talking heads etc. As far as MVP count my view has always been what's the precedent? And you look at NFL similar to NBA it either goes to Qb with the 1 seed or the Transcendent player of that Era. (MJ 6, Bron 4, Payton 5, Rodgers 4) We can argue over who is best in NFL but Majority agree on year in and out basis no8 is that guy whether it be vs Mahomes or vs Allen or vs Burrow. So I don't have issue no.8 winning 3MVPS because as previously stated he's Michael Jordan of NFL. nobody is doing what he's doing. If MJ, Bron did it in NBA it would be Unanimous MVP. Same with Payton and he played against Big Ben, Brees etc. They are all Allen Caliber HOFRs
Josh has had multiple bad games, dude even had a 9/30 game against the texans and was bad against the ravens. He even was bad against the colts with 0 tds and 2 ints and to top it off he struggled with the patriots. And the numbers not close lamar got 39 passing tds to 26 with less ints. Better completion percentage, and is about to have the best passer rating in history. And ppl talk about games lost for the ravens but josh 2-3 against playoff teams this yr
At the time the Bills played the Ravens. The Ravens had the worst passing defense in football Josh. Allen look like garbage. And the ravens beat the shit out of the bills
who is your top 3 MVP candidates rn? 🤔
1. Lamar 2. Saquon 3. Josh
Lamar and Saquon are having record-breaking seasons. Josh is just doing better than he has during his career, which is cool. Just not as good as the other 2.
@ that’s a solid take but idk about Lamar at 1 he left some moments on the table imo
@thequiethypemedia what moments are those?
@@tonymike05 Eagles, Chiefs and 1st Steelers games
@thequiethypemedia chiefs game outplayed Mahomes and lost by a toe on the line. Steelers game cancels itself out because they whooped on them. And the eagles loss goes to 7 points left on the field by Tucker. While the defense was dead last in ranking in those games. Be different if they lost cuz of him. Steelers game another game where Tucker left 7-9 points on the field
What's really impressive to me is the fact that we always had Lamar Jackson in the MVP conversation since 2019... Remember this is the guy who should switch to RB or WR.
@@MOHAMEDMOHAMED-bx3ji that’s true 💯
How didn’t LJ have the moments? Brings up the eagles game but fails to mention Tucker missed 2 field goals. He makes those the score is 25-24
The Bengals backup Quarterback threw for 400 yards and a perfect passer rating his first start after Burrow got hurt last season. Burrow has the best WR core in the league! Burrow is not carrying the Bengals by himself.
The Ravens came into the season losing 4 starters on defense and the defensive coordinator. The defense of the Ravens for the first 10 weeks of the season was the worst in the league. On top of Tucker having the worst year of his career. None of Lamar's interceptions are his fault. Lamar also played better than Mahomes in their match up. Go look at the game and the stats. Lamar went 26/41 273 and 1TD with 16 carries for 122 yards. Mahomes 20/28 291 1TD and 1 Int. Joe Burrow has 2 of the top 10 WRs in the league when that's more than half of his stats right there. And people want to talk about Lamar doesnt have any moments when the media when the Ravens were projected to be the 3rd best team in the AFC north, and here they are on top of the division especially due to the fact that their schedule is the 4th hardest in the NFL. Lamar has had plenty of MVP moments every time he touches the field. Look at that Bengals game where the ball was fumbled at the line he picked it up, stiff armed and put a DLineman into the ground rolled to the right to the sideline to throw a cross body pass away from the direction he was throwing to Likely for a TD. He broke Vicks all time rushing yards record. He is on pace to break the single season passer rating record held by Aaron Rogers. Will be the first NFL QB to pass over 4k yards and have more than 800 yards on the ground. The Ravens have played 10 games vs playoff teams and if the bengals make it in 12. 7-3 record if the Bengals dont make it or 9-3 if the Bengals make the playoffs. The Bills would be 4-3 vs Playoff teams including losing to Baltimore and if the Dolphins make the playoffs then their record would be 6-3 with the 21st hardest schedule in the NFL. Also understand that by the time the Bills played the Lions, the Lions were on their 2nd and 3rd string defense. The Lions lost 13 players on defense going into that game and losing 3 more that same game. So impressive beating up on the back ups and practice squad players. And if yall wanna use the WR seperation as an argument, think about this, Lamar is such a threat teams would rather put everyone in the box to stop Lamar instead let Lamar run. That has been the strategy most of this season and we see how that is working. Josh doesnt create that much of a threat as Lamar which is why the seperation isnt as great. Dont say its cuz of King Henry because he is having a great year as well helping Lamar but Lamar is helping him as well with Henry's highest yards per carry in his career. This is the easiest 1800-yard season he has had his whole career with less touches from any season he had at least 1500 yards. Argue if you want to the facts are the facts.
I think Lamar left some moments on the field he’s playing great don’t get me wrong but to win 3 MVPs and b2b he needed that Chiefs and Eagles win Josh and Saquon have better cases to get their first than Lamar to get his 3rd imo
Check out Lamar's historic season with 5k total yards.@@DwightRossjr
Philadelphia proof of concept. Jalen Hurts finally got a running back that will honor the line and follow his blocking. Defense keys on Hurts, Barkley has clear sailing.
Seeing as how neither the eagles or ravens had it figured out week one. And the running backs didn't get really going until halfway through the season, I expect both Henry and Barkley to break Eric Dickerson record next season.
The ravens got 9 pro bowlers so they stacked . So stop the bs.
Answer this Bills boy! All haters of LJ bring up Chiefs game in week 1versus Bills win over Mahomes as proof of Allen's superiority. Then I bring up Week 4 in Baltimore (funny how this Allen disaster never comes up) and Josh support say that game was early on, and Allen is different player. So Head-to-head crushing by Lamar means nothing\g because game was early, BUT!!!, Our week 1 loss coming up a toe short, with refs as Mahomes' cheer squad, is super relevant. I could list, all day, hypocritical stuff spewed out by LJ haters, but deep down its all just voter fatigue and basically people want to penalize Lamar for winning 2 MVPs in his only 3 full years as a starter. Voters are specifically instructed to throw out any and all data on players except the year in question's (2024) regular season. Whatever, give it to Josh so My team doesn't have to deal with this toxic, unimportant stuff, compared to the playoffs and a playoff run to New Orleans.
@@topherlandslide33 well the Chiefs, Steelers and Eagles loss are the games I look at that could’ve sealed the deal for Lamar plus Allen team was looked at as a rebuilding team so the fact that they are where they are makes him a stronger candidate the Ravens record is slightly underwhelming versus where people thought they’d be ijs
@@thequiethypemediabut he got the Steelers W back. And he was in both of those games against the Chiefs and Eagles(would’ve won the eagles game if a certain kicker made his kicks) and Josh has had one of the easier strength of schedules. Josh being 21st and Lamar being 4th
@ the Eagles game was on Lamar too he was up 10-0 and missed too many important throws like the screen to Zay and he missed Andrew’s on a wide open go route that allowed the Eagles to still run the ball and ultimately comeback and in the Chiefs game Lamar made it hard on his wide receivers by being slightly off target even on the last throw to Likely and you gotta take in consideration he’s going for b2b MVPs and Saquon and Allen are going for their first we should be harder on Lamar due to that fact as well
@ but he also made great plays in those games to give us the win lmao like the pass to Nelly that was right in his hands that he dropped vs the eagles and the pass to likely in the back of the endzone vs the chiefs was perfect but he just was off by a toenail on getting two feet in the problem vs the eagles was he didn’t use his legs enough Buttttt it still shouldn’t have mattered if Tuck makes those kicks 🤷🏿♂️
@ and Tuck missing cost us the first Steelers game as well and not to mention Justice hill getting stripped of the ball and the same thing happening to Likely and The King
This is the same Josh Allen that got their “ass whooped” by Ravens , but he’s not talking about it
Ain't nobody thought the Bills was going to be trash, that's just the narrative. Besides Diggs they remained the same. Amari, and Shakir are elite. Cook has 15 rushing touchdowns with that massive O-line. And let's not forget the Ravens trashed the Bills.
The man in the top left mentions the Chiefs, Eagles, and Steelers games where Lamar didn't look great(All 3 league leading defenses). Meanwhile Josh
Allen had 3 horrible performances against the 1.Ravens 73.9 passer rating/55.2 completion %, 2. Texans 56.4 Pass rating/30.0 comp %, 3. Colts 60.6 pass rating/59% comp %, Patriots 67 pass rating/55.2 comp %, and even against the Chiefs when he "showed why hes the MVP" he wasn't great. 83.5 Pass rating/67% comp %/ 262 yards/ 1 TD/ 1 INT.
For reference, Lamar Jackson in his bad games you mentioned are as follows. 1. Chiefs 90.8 Pass rating/ 63.4 pass rating/ 273 yards/ 1 TD/ 0 INT, 2. Eagles 101.3 Pass rating/63.9 Comp %, 3. 1st Steelers game 66.1 pass rating/48.5 comp %.
Obviously that Steelers game was horrible. But he DID go back 4 weeks later and put up a 115.4 Pass rating/ 65%/ 207 yard/ 3 TD/ 1 INT game to redeem himself. Josh isn't redeeming any of those games.
I think for every bad game Lamar has played Josh Allen has a worse game this season. Idk how using any metric you could give Josh Allen the MVP over Lamar.
They said this guy wouldn't last 3 years in the nfl. They also said he wasnt a QB. Now years later They said this same guy is winning too many MVPs 😂
In 7 seasons, this same guy has achieved the same milestones as HOF QBs and broken records in far less games. MV3.
Interesting stats matter this year, but last year, they didn't.
Shakir has more yards than Bateman 141 yards. 5.1 yards average for Cook. Lamar head to head career against Burrow went like this season. Burrow has two number 1 wrs
@@deshamallah2265 burrow has two WRs that’s it everything else is terrible that has to be considered you can win a sb with 3 players
Joe Burrow's backup last season - Jake Browning went 4-3 while Joe Burrow went 5-5
Point. Josh Allen's team was considered not a contender even though it has Josh Allen. The expectation is that Lamar Jackson's team is going to be competitive because it has Lamar Jackson.
@@mandelharvey3429 stop it that’s not true hof coach and rb elite te and pieces Bills are just finding out some guys can play lol
@thequiethypemedia we don't need to denigrate to elevate. Josh Allen should make his teammates more effective. He's doing a good job.
Lamar Jackson saved harbaughs job. Lamar Jackson took over a trash team and carried them to the playoffs. Josh Allen was handed a playoff team and carried to the playoffs whenever he was still a shotput chucker trucker. He's always been a good runner. I wouldn't want to tackle that big guy. He's a business decision.
Lamar Jackson is in a division that's been the best in the league during his tenure. The first season he starts he's winning an MVP with a bunch of guys you couldn't name. The ravens front office strategy is Lamar Jackson is going to win most games. The people on his team are relevant and useful because of Lamar Jackson's gravity. Lamar Jackson effectively doubles his running backs output. He makes his line grade higher too. He basically has to pin the ball to his receivers underwear for them to try to catch the ball.
The bills give no credit to anyone else on their team. If you have that dude you're competitive until he gets overwhelmed and gets usage injury. With respect, Josh Allen should make it work with whoever he gets.
Lamar had games with Nelson Aguilar being relevant. Nelson Aguilar is used as an epithet in Philadelphia for years. His drops lost Lamar Jackson the Philadelphia game. Philadelphia left him open and Aguilar reliably dropped important momentum swinging passes. Bouncing off his chest drops.
Look at Jalen Hurts. He's unfortunately gone into the playoffs overused and injured every season. He gives all the glory to his teammates. All of his linemen are household names to celebrity Rockstar. The last time he played Josh Allen , Hurts made the game winning play. Hurts gravity doubled saquon Barkley output. Hurts makes his teammates better. They play better because he puts the spotlight on them. I wish he could have saved reager. He tried. Kept giving him chances.
Lamar Jackson gravity doubled Derek Henry output. Josh Allen should make his running back more effective. Cook has pro bowl numbers. He's right behind Henry and I give Josh Allen some credit for that.
Lamar Jackson went 14-2 with an MVP and name his impactful teammates. Similar to Cam Newton 15 and 1 with no memorable offensive teammates. James Stewart was good whenever he played.
Mentioning Lamars bad games,how about Allens bad games?Forget how they"Looked",lets look at"THE NUMBERS".Now what???
Bro Lamar go have more MVPs than playoff wins gotta start being less forgiving for these regular seasons and hold him to a higher standard Allen and Saquon are more than deserving to get their first rather than Lamar getting his 3rd smh
@@DwightRossjrit’s not about who gets their first vs who gets their third it’s about who should be mvp
@ soft smh
@@DwightRossjrplayoffs have nothing to do with regular season!
@@DwightRossjrmvp isnt a playoff award. Lamar deserves it. If allen or Barkley get it they get a pitty mvp
Shakir has more yards has more than Bateman 141 yards
Bills have had a better defense. They played 6 division games that they never had to worry about. Plus Jaguars, Colts
Raven's receivers top 5 and drop passing percentage
Lamar beat Josh Allen, Jayden Daniels, Burrow twice, Wilson, Texans,
James Cook is averaging 5.1 yards
@@deshamallah2265 yea Ravens played a gauntlet but they needed that Chiefs and Eagles game imo to solidify Lamar’s 3rd MVP
This video showed me when you really break it down, Lamar has a way better case. It's a historic season vs a good job for earning the 2 seed.
So you not holding Lamar to a standard of being b2b and 3 time MVP? Do you think he really done enough this season to walk away with that?
I mean being 1st or 2nd in every category isn’t doin enough? 2nd all time in passer rating ain’t enough. Highest TD/INT ratio?
@ for b2b and 3 total MVPs tho? It’s a reason why mj didn’t win the MVP every year because his individual standards gets higher and higher Lamar imo didn’t do enough to get his 3rd like Allen and Saquon did enough to get their first rather than
@ he is having a prime Aaron Rodgers (who has multiple MVPs) passing season while also adding 900 rushing yards. He will lead the league in yards per pass and yards per rush. Never been done. No one has ever had 40 TDs and less than 5 INTs. I could literally make the case this the best individual season of all time and not be exaggerating.
@ the team record not as impressive people had higher expectations granted if he would’ve pulled out that Chiefs, 1st Steelers and Eagles game it would be an open and shut case he just didn’t close I’m just trying to not give the man more MVPs than playoff wins if their are other qualified players Rodgers probably didn’t deserve all those MVPs either Saquon needs way more consideration than he’s getting
Dude that’s not on camera talks too much and voice is crazy high pitched
Dammmm bro 🤣🤣🤣
Am I supposed to be quiet??? 😂 Preciate the view tho 👍🏾
The Ravens have NINE pro bowlers, five on offense. The Bills have two pro bowlers, and the only one other than Josh is on defense
I'm sorry, but that says a lot about what each has to work with.
Josh Had a 9 for 30 game mean while he the best on the planet 😂
Joe burrow shows up his line. While guys like Jalen Hurts uses what his line gives him to make them all household names. When was the last time a center became a big media personality and a tackle becomes a rockstar. How many offensive lineman interviews have you heard in your entire life? Hurts is a leader who spotlights his team.
Joe needs to weaponize his running better. Unless its open open he just takes a sack. He needs to get a couple yards positive more often instead of taking the sack losses.
Lamar - It's easier to build a better roster around Lamar. Evades the pass (don't need as robust of an offensive line) + high rushing floor (turned average RBs like Gus Edwards to a good RB). + Done the most with the least (like ya homie said you can't name 3 of Lamar's WR from the first MVP)
Lmao that comment about the offensive line is the dumbest I've heard lol o line most important even with lamar under center. The game is won and lost in the trenches lol
@@jimkeister4150 Point is Lamar is making an average offensive line play above average.
@goke313 yeah so what's your point? All great players make the people around them play better. It's not a seceret. And lamar is a great qb. Any halfway intelligent gm and coach will want to put the best possible line in front of their qb no matter how great they are. I mean just look at the line he had in 2019. One of the lineman is up for hall of fame voting this year, one was voted all pro and probowl and brown was also probowl. Oh and hollywood brown willie snead seth roberts and myles boykin
It’s Lamar or the award is worth nothing.
Period.
They played 3 division teams in the first ten games so that argument goes out the windows. Josh had more stats than Lamar last year so that destroys thar argument. It's not a numbers award.
Bro Allen and Saquon are more deserving of their 1st MVP than Lamar is of getting b2b and 3 total imo
Last year, Josh had 18 picks. There's no way he was getting MVP.
Lamar has started 14 drives inside the opponents 50. Allen has started 28 drives inside the opponents 50. If Lamar fails to put up a 102.0 RTG, he is 0-5. if Allen fails to put up a 102 RTG he is 4-2. Lamar is at historic level and will be in the running for best ever QB season. Allen is almost MVP level. Lamar NEEDS to be MVP level for his team to win. Allen does not, per the stats.
@@stephenkuzmak4501 bro are you serious???? 💀
Dude skipped Bengals vs Patriots, both games vs Ravens, vs Chiefs, vs Steelers....duke talking bout Joe Burrow lol don't know ball
The Ravens got 9 Pro Bowlers the bill got 2 so what we talking about,???
@@rickpersaud7016 great observation!
Allen against Rams?? What did these guys are watching?? When Ravens struggles and nothing has said, and depleted Texans, Steelers look at their previous games, they were terrible!! And WOW Ravens super hero lol.. Allen would destroyed Rams by himself if they had 5 more minutes and Defense can hold just one possession.. Watch those prime time gams Allen vs Lamar.. I can watch Bills game every week SNF 🍿 with lack of talents front and back.. and enjoy the game for 3 hours.. Allen doesn’t destroy teams to built stats.. Bills will run most 2nd half and not doing much but score 30+ points..
He forgot lamar beat the breaks off Allen
@@l.allmomd718 yea Henry had nothing to do with it smh
Sooooo Allen should win the MVP because he beats Patrick Mahonnes every year??? Oh and Derrick Henry went off against the Bills. Lamar was average in that game.
3 touchdowns is average??
Lamar MVP
Lamar wins everything except Rushing TDs.
Better vs Playoff teams, strength of Victory&Schedule. Historical season, Only thing Allen has is rush TDs. At this point it's a pity vote if All won
@@joshm1671 so you don’t hold Lamar to a higher standard for b2b MVPs and 3 time MVP? 🤔
@thequiethypemedia Higher Standard? I hold no.8 to the highest standard but what I don't do is move goal posts on him like AM Talking heads etc. Payton Manning had sub. 500 to 500 Playoff record dang near half his career and NFL media still gave him 4&5 MVPs as he stunk up the joint. Same for Rodgers 4x MVP bad Playoff performer. So Lamar is transcendent he's among the alltimers. Nobody is putting up 4k/900/122 rating szns. Nobody is Barry Sanders + Aaron Rodgers = Lamar. He's Michael Jordan of NFL. I'm not going to have double standards for him. And give lesser Qbs pity MVPS
@ so you wouldn’t mind Lamar having more MVPs than playoff wins? 🤔
@thequiethypemedia Obviously I believe most want to see no.8 get the ultimate Trophy just so he can stop getting dragged by AM Talking heads etc. As far as MVP count my view has always been what's the precedent? And you look at NFL similar to NBA it either goes to Qb with the 1 seed or the Transcendent player of that Era. (MJ 6, Bron 4, Payton 5, Rodgers 4) We can argue over who is best in NFL but Majority agree on year in and out basis no8 is that guy whether it be vs Mahomes or vs Allen or vs Burrow. So I don't have issue no.8 winning 3MVPS because as previously stated he's Michael Jordan of NFL. nobody is doing what he's doing. If MJ, Bron did it in NBA it would be Unanimous MVP. Same with Payton and he played against Big Ben, Brees etc. They are all Allen Caliber HOFRs
@ respectable take 💯
Josh has had multiple bad games, dude even had a 9/30 game against the texans and was bad against the ravens. He even was bad against the colts with 0 tds and 2 ints and to top it off he struggled with the patriots. And the numbers not close lamar got 39 passing tds to 26 with less ints. Better completion percentage, and is about to have the best passer rating in history. And ppl talk about games lost for the ravens but josh 2-3 against playoff teams this yr
He also had a game with 6 tds, so what now?
@Tokablunt and they still lost 😂😂😂
At the time the Bills played the Ravens. The Ravens had the worst passing defense in football Josh. Allen look like garbage. And the ravens beat the shit out of the bills