RS 660 | UpMap T800 Install
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Step by step how to install a T800 UpMap on your motorcycle. I chose Gabros map for this, as it has been proven to be the most efficient ready map for the RS660.
The same proccess applies for the Tuono 660.
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Your bike looks so clean,great video.
Thank you! It does, but my bike is the one on the background ✌️
Very informative video, Mike. Thanks for sharing
Thank you! I appreciate it!
Came here from the sc exhaust video. Thanks for the info will be helpful.
My pleasure! ✌️
Awesome build on your bikes man love your videos!
Would that void warranty? I am tossed between the AF1 race ECU replacement and GABRO. I had GABRO on my RSV4 too. I just got the rs660 so I have the two year warranty plus the 2yr extended Piaggio. From what I’ve seen the GABRO is more customizable later if you add anything else on. What do you think?
Thank you brother! Awesome channel you have there too!
The straight answer between Gabro and Race ECU is Gabro all the way. Not only it performs better overall compared to the Race ECU, but it’s more customizable. It eliminates Euro 5 restrictions, so anything you remove from EVAP canister, servo motor(rsv4), PAIR block offs, etc, everything is eliminated from Gabros map. So no need for any bypass eliminators. Not to mention that you also have the option to dyno your bike and request an updated map directly from Gabro. With a fee of course but the option is there. Better fuel/air ratio, Gabro also sets fuel to be economic on low RPM which you don’t need when racing, and he ups it on mid to high RPM. And a lot more that most will agree Gabros map is better than Race ECU.
Now regarding warranty, the short answer is yes it will void it. Even the Race ECU will void it. But just because it voids it, it doesn’t mean they wont honor a warranty claim. As long as the issue is not related to the map. I have passed 2 warranty claims on my RS660 and 2 warranty claims on my RSV4 and all were honored even though both bikes have Gabros map. But if they really want to, they can use the map as an excuse to deny a claim. It’s a hit and miss. Personally, I could never leave my RS660 stock. It rips with a good SC Project 👌🔥
Excellent video, very helpful. Thank you for posting!
Thank you! I appreciate that! ✌️
Hello! Can you use this setup to bypass the 35KW restriction on the A2 Aprilia RS660? (Get the full 100HP?)
Yes. At 6:48 you select the 74Kw option and you will get the full 100Hp
@@ALFAVITAGA Thanks for the answer! (:
@@MotoChaosummm you mean If we use this setup we could automatically end the 35KW restriction and change it to 75KW? Without going to the dealership….?
Did anyone try this? I will do the same to my aprilia😊
I am also interested in this option! Did you try?? Was it possible??? And it would be interesting to know if it would be possible to swap anytime between both maps (35 and 75 kW).
Thanks a lot for the video!!!!
thanks for the vid! im looking to install a SC1-R on my 660. at the 4:45 though, does the bike need to have Bluetooth in it? or is that the Bluetooth for the phone? cause my aprilia didn't came with the Bluetooth option. i was wondering if i need to have the MIA Module for this to work. thanks!!!
Thanks for the information. Im about to map as well.
You got it ✌️
Is it possible to go from 35kw for A2 license to full power with this device?
Yes! You can switch between maps with the Upmap.
Hey, nice clip, very informative! If you hit DOWNLOAD ORIGINAL MAP, will this download the exact map that was on the bike before - even if it was a non OEM map? Or it the map that Aprilia has as the latest for the bike? Where will this map be stored? on the phone? in the cloud - under my account? Lets say I wanted that original map back on the bike, where and how will I find it?
Very good questions! When you download the map you do not download it from the bike. You download it from the cloud and it is the latest update that is stored on the cloud. The maps that you download are stored under your Upmap account, not your phone. You can find and download the original stock map back anytime you want, once you have linked your bike to the app.
If I buy the 35kw version. Can I enable both 70kw and 74kw or only 70kw? Also is there any option that would allow me to switch between 35kw and 70/74kw on the fly or do u always need to connect a flash etc. Great video btw! Exactly what I was looking for!
@@spooky6420 You can enable both the 70 and the 74kw. There is no on the fly switch. You will have to go through the entire process of flashing the ECU with the Upmap device. ✌️
@@ALFAVITAGA Nice thanks a lot for the quick respone! Was hoping to find something to switch on the fly but I was thinking abt it and it makes sense that there isnt an option. But good to have it confirmed anyways. What is super interesting tho is that u can get both 74kw and 70kw out of the 35kw version because legally (atleast in europe) if u buy a 35kw version u get 70kw max if u derestrict.
@@spooky6420 The restriction is in the map, not the engine. So with the Upmap you can bring it up to where it was meant to be.
@@ALFAVITAGA Yeah that makes sense. We have the rule here that u cant restrict anything above 70kw down to 35kw. The rule wasnt there some years ago thats why we have some A2 R6s here for example. But nowadays u cant make anything above 70kw an A2 vehicle. The 35kw RS660 can also only be derestricted to 70kw for that reason and not the full 74kw. Really just bureaucratic bs imo but thats how it is here.
@@spooky6420 I’m from Greece. Trust me I know all about bureaucratic bs!
Likely the ECU has a timer that if it hasn't seen a reflash attempt after a certain amount of time, it will stop looking for it. Best way to prevent getting stuck at 1 percent would be to restart the bike right before you attempt the flash.
I have flashed 3 different RS660 and they all got stuck at 1%. At this point I would just go with restarting the bike. ✌️
@@ALFAVITAGA Good to know, about to flash my tuono 660 tonight! I appreciate you documenting the process!
@@wiggenvan ✌️
Super informative thank you! Does that same map work for sc project exhaust? Was planning on getting the S1 exhaust
For any sc project*
Basically this map is the only option for SC Project exhausts. It will work just fine.
Great video as always. I try to add some insight to one of your subscribers below. Hopefully it was helpful about the foot pegs being attached to the CRT-1 full titanium exhaust. One question I had for you is that I’m undecided on which flash that I’m going to do on the bike. I heard that I can get, a race map from AF1 racing & replace the original ECU in the bike with the race map ECU. This way I would always have the stock ECU if needed to be reinstalled in the bike for whatever purpose in the future. I wanted to find out what the comparison was from the AF1 racing ECU race map compared to the T800 UpMap? From what I understand the AF1 race map is tied into Aprilia so that it’s tuned precisely for the bike at optimum levels without creating any risk on the engine. Interested to hear your thoughts. Thank you again for all of your past videos and will continue watching. Only catch is, don’t ever get rid of your Apex Black RS 660, 😂😂🔥🔥💥💥
The quick answer to your question is that the T800 is a better option than the race ecu for multiple reasons. T800 is much faster to install. Its also faster to revert it to stock map again if needed as everything is stored on the cloud and you can make all changes through your phone. T800 has the benefit of adding a new map if you ever install a new part like velocity stacks. With the race ecu you are locked to that one map only. T800 also has the option to install the Aprilia Race map which is the same map installed on the race ecu. A lot of people think that the race ecu is a safer option to return to the stock ecu if needed in case of warranty claims but thats not the case. A map log would show that the stock ecu was removed and reinstalled. So there is no way around warranty claims. T800 also comes with Gabro’s maps, which from user feedback that have used both it has been reported that Gabros map performs better that the Aprilia Race map. You have to understand that both options are canned maps, which means they are general maps programmed for the RS660 but not yours or mine RS660. The best option is to take your bike to a dyno and have it tuned with a map optimal for your bike. But that is time consuming, not a lot of people have access to that option and in some cases it can cost a lot more than what a T800 will cost you. For all the above reasons the T800 is the best option. But choosing the race ecu is not the wrong options either.
@@ALFAVITAGA
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I went on vacation with my family shortly after posting this and asking for your advice. So I do apologize. I’m going down to my dealership tomorrow and I’m going to discuss this with them further. I also would like to say thank you very much for going into a detailed and in depth explanation on basically what you feel is the right choice to make from your experience and others around you. Most people would’ve responded back with a one line statement saying “just take the T 800 a map and you’ll be good to go” and leave it at that, but you didn’t. I’m as informative as you are so it’s nice to meet a person that thinks and speaks the same way. I’ll get back to you soon on result on what my dealership recommends what they can do and what they’ve experienced. I am now leaning toward the T800 due to your recommendation. Thank you again for your reply and your explanation. Ride safe. I enjoy your videos. Keep them coming. They’re very informative and helpful. I’ll let you know what I find out soon and also on my decision.💪🏼💪🏼🔥🔥💥💥
@@Spitfiya.rs660 Thank you I appreciate that! Just know that no matter what you choose to go with its not a wrong choice. Just preference. ✌️
@@ALFAVITAGA you’re very welcome. I think I’ve made up my decision that I’m gonna go with the OEM race map that AF1 racing recommends. I also heard from my dealership the gabbro map really pushes the bike to its extreme and limits and is hard on the engine, especially high RPMs. I don’t feel like replacing any engines anytime soon, so I’m gonna stay away from that map. And it’s not gonna matter to me if I only get 1-2horsepower more, not much of a difference between the two just making an example I don’t know the exact horsepower but it’s definitely not that much of a difference. Really excited to get her back. She’s in the shop now and she’s having other mods put all over her. It’s probably gonna be at least four weeks before I get her back. Other than that ride safe bro keep up the great videos always enjoy watching them and will always be a subscriber. You can check out my Instagram page and check out my bike as well. @spitfiya.rs660
Did you know that they came out with a carbon fiber airbox specifically for the RS660s? It’s lighter, stronger and gives you two extra horsepower for more airflow. That might be your next install video 😂
Once having two maps downloaded from the cloud. How fast can you switch between them? I know you show around 5 minute download time but does that include downloading the map from the cloud? Thanks 🙏
If you have the maps already downloaded to your app, it should take around 20 minutes to switch between them.
The map says RS 660 2020-2021, but there's no map for new models. Is the 2020-2021 map good for new model RS 660s?
All maps on the Upmap store are titled RS660 21. Thats just the first year the RS660 was released. The maps apply to all years up to 2024. They’re good. ✌️
does it work also for the extrema version ?
Yes it does.
That CR-T is full titanium version? I saw in Sc project website that the titanium version are not compatible with passenger pegs. Did you do something to the exhaust line or it fit well??
This is my friends bike. He has the non titanium version that fits with the pegs. The one I have on mine is titanium and does not fit with the stock pegs. But I have figured out a way how to fit the titanium with the stock pegs. I will make a video showing how.
@@ALFAVITAGA That would be great, i have my CR-T full system in a box because i dont know how to fit it. I will be waiting for your video anxiously. Thanks!!
Is it safe to ride without the tune? I just got S1 installed but waiting for UpMap to be available.
It’s recommended to install a tune immediately after the exhaust install. But nothing is going to happen if you ride a few hundred miles without a tune. But eventually you will need the Upmap for correct AFR.
If im currently running the europe 35kw map, can i choose the 70kw version to unlock it ?
Yes, you can switch to the 70kw with the upmap and you can always switch back to the 35kw if you want.
@@ALFAVITAGA will the dealer ship notice that?
@@mx.rld187 If you ever have to take your bike in for service and the dealership connects the ECU they will know its on 70kw. You can always switch it back to 35kw before taking it in to the dealer but I don’t see why the dealer would care if it’s 70kw. Unless you are claiming a warranty claim, which in that case it won’t matter if you switch it back or not as the switch is logged in the ECU and they can always tell.
@@ALFAVITAGA so I should probably wait until my warranty runs out
@@mx.rld187 If you want to be on the safe side, then yes..
hi, do you know if the Upmap have a map for the Austin racing full exaust ?
thanks
Upmap has two maps for the Austin Racing exhaust. One is Gabro’s map for the AR exhaust and one is Gabro’s map for the AR exhaust with Gabro’s Velocity Stacks.
What if you want to install velocity stacks and sc project exhaust. Can you select multiple options?
Yes. The Upmap has multiple map options. You can select SC Project with Velocity Stacks from Gabro.
What's the number/product ID for your friends exhaust? I love SC but want to keep passenger pegs.
My friend told me its the titanium headers which is part number A23A-TC36 just like my exhaust. I can confirm that his headers are titanium because they turned blue from the heat. If thats the case that means that the crt can take both the bracket and peg. But that is very odd to me. So based on my friends info I will say we have the same exhaust but I will take that with a grain of salt and actually verify with my own foot peg if the peg fits the CRT.
@@ALFAVITAGA that would be great! Thank you 👍🏼👍🏼
@@ALFAVITAGA any chance you tried this yet? 👍🏼
@@briannixon9237 Hey Brian! Unfortunately I haven’t verified that yet. Been running 16 hour shifts at work brother. But I will get to it as I also need to know if it fits. ✌️
@@ALFAVITAGA 24 hours in a day, 16-hour shifts that's 8 hours to test fit hahahahahaha jk jk man. Take your time, I don't plan on fitting an exhaust until spring as we are in Kansas City and can't ride much once winter hits in November. Be safe man and ride safe always.
Doesn't it hurt the motor to run the bike with pipe before including the UPMap?
Its definitely not recommended. I installed the Upmap on my bike at the same time I installed my exhaust. But with this RS660, there was no Upmap available at the time, so he had no choice but to ride it without it. It doesn’t mean that the engine will ruin without a tune. It’s just not good for the long run. I’m very anal with things like this, so personally, I would wait until I had the Upmap on hand before I install the exhaust. ✌️
how did you end up with integrated front signals if you did the US tune?
The US tune brings the turn signals in the headlight too.
Did the shifting get smoother as well or did it stay the same?
To be honest I haven’t felt any difference in shifting before and after the upmap. I would say its identical.
Can you install the UpMap without using wifi? Will it work off using just your cellular data?
Yes it works with cellular data. I always use cellular.
What would happen if i run the mivv exhaust with no upmap
I have seen people run aftermarket exhausts without an Upmap for at least 2000 miles with no issues. But it’s not good for the engine in the long run as it will run very lean.
Hey! So if i have the 70kw version, i can choose the 74kw version to have the full version of the bike?
Correct. You can choose the 74km and get the full version of the bike.
@@ALFAVITAGA thank u!
The upmap have a map for Mivv exhaust? If I will install the exhaust without update map, it’s problem ?
Yes, Upmap has a map for the Mivv exhaust. It’s strongly recommended to install the map!
@@ALFAVITAGA thanks 🙏
Does the upmap help with the dead spot on the RPMs between 4-5000 RPMs?
Yes it does! The bike actually feels more responsive and kind of faster I would say.
@@ALFAVITAGA Thanks for the info l will be getting one for sure. Love vids by the way thanks again.
Canyou reset the oil light with this
Unfortunately you cannot. Only the dealer can, or you can if you have the machine that the dealer has that costs a few thousand dollars.
Do you have to use a charger for the battery? Can’t you just start the bike to take care of the battery?
The app will ask you to turn off and on the bike multiple times. Its not recommended to start the engine multiple times without riding it. The battery can only take a few cranks before it dies. If you know exactly how to install the map and you are confident that you will go through the process quick, then you may get away without using a charger. But for $30-$40 that a charger costs, I prefer having peace of mind and using a charger.
@@ALFAVITAGA Ah alright, that makes sense, thank you for your speedy reply and awesome video!
@@rexile1986 Thank you! ✌️
And one more doubt, I’m from Argentina wich map I have to take ? US o EU ?? I have the 100hp rs 660
I would go with US ✌️
@@ALFAVITAGA Thanks🤙🏼
If I get upMap before I have exhaust is that still gonna be beneficial for performance?
There is really no need for a race map if you have a stock exhaust. The catalytic converter restricts the gas flow and a map with a different air/fuel mixture can negatively affect performance. If you have the stock exhaust, leave the stock map. If you install an exhaust then you can install the Upmap.
Kinda what I thought, And from the video it won’t hurt to run aftermarket exhaust for a while before I get a upmap.
I was just really liking the signal lights and the idea of having the upmap before having the exhaust
@@ALFAVITAGAjust ordered the last in stock crt titanium with carbon can exhaust from my local store.
Can’t wait. Be ording the upmap friday 🎉
@@S1KRR_Rider88 You will love the sound ✌️
@@ALFAVITAGA bro I installed the exhaust today. These RUclips videos didn’t do that exhaust any justice even with headphones in it is so much louder in real life.
I love it
What’s the difference after you did the UpMap
The air/fuel ratio is not lean anymore as it is with the stock map. Richer fuel mix, better idle, better throttle response, noticeable power difference especially on low and mid range and overall better engine health.
If i select the us gp shift at 6.55 after the flash i can ride in gp shift, correct?
Correct but you will also have to flip the shift link 180 degrees.
@@ALFAVITAGA thanks about to place an order for the upmap
@@ninja5ever1984 Awesome! ✌️
Hey man I'm interested in the rs660, how'd reliability been?
For me it has been great! No issues. The few RS660 owners that I know and worked on their bikes had no issues either. But I know a few have experienced oil leaks. Most of the times it was due to out of spec torqued bolts on the oil pan. Once torqued to the right specs, they had no issues after that. But warranty is your friend with these Italian bikes. At the end of the day these bikes will never have the reliability reputation of a Japanese bike. But the RS660 is an amazing bike.
Does this work with the imu, I read on af1 you have to have dealer recalibrate your abs and bike after you map the bike into race map
It does not affect the IMU. Your dealer does not need to do anything to your bike after the installation of the Upmap. It’s literally plug & play. After the installation of the map, the bike keeps all the riding modes and electronics as they are set from the factory.
@@ALFAVITAGA so I just need to buy the upmap and I'm gucci?
@@ALFAVITAGA (2022 tuono 660 factory)
@@noiceb5655 Yup. Just the T800 Upmap and you are gucci
@@ALFAVITAGA awsome, I've been such on the fence of getting a full exhaust and purchasing that upmap, but now I'm gonna pull the trigger. I'm going with the full austin racing set up, hopefully it works out well
My bike has a 2 brothers exhaust, will it be a problem
There is no map currently in the UpMap for the 2 bothers exhaust. But that shouldn’t be a problem. Any map should perform better than the stock map. But since you receive a coupon for either the Aprilia Race Map or the Gabro Map, I would use either one map with the 2bros exhaust. Even though these maps are not specifically tuned for the 2bros exhaust, they will perform better than the stock map. Gabro also has a generic race map for katted aftermarket exhausts. Regardless, you should be fine. Also, Gabro is about to release the Mivv map for both db killer and no db killer. I would probably choose that map since its a similar shorty exhaust.
@@ALFAVITAGA oh ok , thank u , appreciate it
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did you keep the differents drives mods ?
Yes. You keep all the rider modes.
@@ALFAVITAGA okay because i want to buy it to pass from 35kw to 74kw for my tuono
@@leogst5281 Go for it! ✌️
I love all your videos man! I’ve basically building my 660 off of yours! But I just installed the up map and was wondering if you’ve noticed the dash screen glitching, also does the flash eliminate the cruise control function? Last thing is have you had batterie issues after installing. Since I installed my battery goes dead over night.
Thank you my friend! After I installed the Upmap I had non of the issues you mentioned. Did you have the battery on charge while you were installing the map?
Yes it was on the charger while I installed the UpMap but I’m going to put a new battery in it this afternoon to see if that resolves the issue but I will kept you posted!
New battery resolved the issues….Ride safe bro!
@@codywilbraham5525 Awesome! ✌️
I bought a used ducati v4 a year ago with a t800 upmap unit on it and now I'm trying to revert to stock ecu mapping. In "founded devices", when I click on my unit, it says "error- device already binded". Does anyone know how to fix this?
It’s difficult to understand over a comment what the issue is exactly without being there to resolve it, but if what you are trying to do is link the device to the bike, you shouldn’t do that. The T800 device is already linked to your Ducati from the previous owner. Thats why it’s giving you the message “device already binded”. Once its linked to the bike its locked to that bike only. Have you tried opening the app and clicking on the helmet icon on the left? Then click “motorcycle” and it should tell you the make, model and vin number of your bike. Under that, it should say download original map. If non of that works, there is a chance that the app account is linked to the previous owner’s email address. Which means you would have to connect the T800 device to your bike and then log in the app with the previous owner’s email and password to access it. Again, all this is speculation. I could be wrong and there could be another solution. If getting ahold of the previous owner is impossible, I would suggest contacting Gabro directly.
@@ALFAVITAGA I appreciate your help, that was the most helpful answer yet! The t800 is linked to the bike but I can't get my app to connect to it in order to change the loaded map or get any bike info. I bought the bike a year ago across the country so contacting the previous owner for the login info is impossible, I sent an email to a support email and their Instagram account, most people are telling me I'm shit outta luck but I'm staying hopeful they'll help me get my app login sorted out so I can connect to the t800 and get access to the mapping.
@@dakoolguy111 You raised some questions with your issue that I also want answered. I just can’t accept that the bike and device binds on an email account. If that is the case that is plain ridiculous. What if I sell my RS660? I don’t want to share my email and password to the next owner, in order for that person to have access to the T800. There must be a better way that we may be missing. I will reach out to some people and Gabro himself and if I get a solid answer I will update you.
@@ALFAVITAGA that is exactly what it looks like, there's no way for me to connect my app to the t800 unit paired to my bike because the device was binded to the first owner's account info... please let me know if you find any solution for this, I have also emailed the upmap email I found on a q&a on their web page but I'm desperate for a solution as I already paid money into the new setup plans for my bike
@@dakoolguy111 If I get an answer I will let you know. If you get an answer or solution from them, leave a comment here. I’m curious to find out.