its because, biker won the battle, jacket only was hallucinating that he win, from that part the game looks like a dream and only back to normal at the hospital, so yeah
I believe the biker missions are stories being told by old biker. where as in reality he was beaten within an inch of his life, he tells the story as if he one shot jacket.
Jacket has a sociopath visible thing To see people around dead and talk to him And actually think that everyone's being aggressive with him He didn't actually know that he had a chance to just walk away so proceeded to fight
@@bionicmanspeedruns Yeah, I was wrong Apparently jacket didn't remember anything right, because he was shot in the head and stayed in coma. Jacket remebers wrong because of coma memory Biker remembers wrong because he was still druged since his last night party
Both are kinda unreliable narrators, jacket is remembering while in a coma where he hallucinates half and misremebers the other half Biker was coming down from a drug bender the morning of, they both lost and came out alive
I would say it took more than a little inspiration, revenge and violence is bad and two main characters (without needed to manipulate you for which one is good on bad)
Jacket's fight is so disappointing - You'd think someone who was part of an elite army suicide mission branch would be one tough son of a bitch to take care of, but nope. All he does is walk at you with a club.
The fight against jacket isn't real there is evidence biker was on hard drugs that day and the next day when we play him again his apartment is completely empty and the phone call literally tells him he's dead also yes I do know it can be interpreted as a threat but he is absolutely dead hlm2 confirms this further when you meet him in a bar filled with dead people
@@scouttf2gaming807 not even that but his death was so blend, I mean at least make the silent protagonist say something or make a cool death scene but nope just smashes his head.
Well, a boss fight could be very cool, but some people say this timeline isn't cannon because in hotline miami 2 Biker doesn't says that he killed 50 blessings
Coming in with a straight answer for anyone curious: Jacket won. Due to one important fact..his assassination attempt. If he had died here or even been BEATEN here he would not have been able to get home back in time + would be significally way more damaged, along with messing up some aspects of the story already set on HM2
I see it as two parallel universes. In one, Jacket won the fight and spared Biker (that's why we see him HM2) and keep in mind in this point in the game he's in a coma having hallucinations, so Jacket thinks he killed him. In the other universe that we can see in the HM1 epilogue is the one where Biker won the fight and killed Jacket.
It was likely a tie but they both remember it different, Biker was high out of his mind and thought that night was easy street, Jacket was put into a coma shortly thereafter by Ritcher so everything was a haze. Its likely that they both beat each other to near death which lead to some hallucinations
Okay so i talked to my friend sam he played both games and i asked him of biker and jacket and he said if you played both fights you could see that jacket and biker didn't kill each other they injured each other so you would think in jacket's coma he killed biker but in reality he didn't he injured him same goes with biker he might have injured jacket but he didn't kill him and the both escaped
I personally think Jacket beated daf out of Biker (as shown by the scar on HM2), but prefered to let him live. And thats the reason Richet or Richer (dont remeber the name of the guy in the rat mask, long time i dont play), was sent to kill Jacket. He succed (because do, he had a gun. Jacket is elite forces, but aint god), but failed because he survived, them Jacket waked up, went to end Richter and preferred to let him live again. Jacket is too merciful. Or, he was probably having a psicosis when fighting Biker, and thought he killed him, but he actually survived. That's why he appears alive in the second game.
Well jacket is not really an heartless monster and Richter when he said something to jacket before shooting him once in the head (must had grazed his head since he was wearing a mask and Richter shooted once, plus people can if lucky survive headshot) was not in an happy or sadistic tone , but something he was forced to "kill" a fellow citizen to protect her sick mother and to stay alive for her. And at the cops places , in the cell once jacket saw after hearing Richter say that he was also getting the phone calls too did not beat Richter any further nor strangled him to death and leave to do what he think is true revenge...
Its in the games story why they fought. But the interesting part is that it is unknown what happened in that fight, the biker was high, and jacket was hallucinating.
Because Biker started to Become bored and stopped responding to messages,and fifty Blessings (the guys behind the phonecalls) wanted biker to die because Biker stopped responding to messages.so they sent jacket to kill biker.
Biker got suspicious so went into the phone company to tack down 50 blessings, then Jacket was sent in too kill him, neither succeeded in killing each other though
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Biker talks to the journalist in HM2 and you can see the scar from his fight with Jacket / the writer has never heard about biker in relation to jackets encounter, meaning he exists outside of Jacket's memory
@@owenbrown5116 Biker talks to Evan, yes, but he does that in a bar FILLED WITH DEAD CHARACTERS. Even Jake is there, who died like 2 years ago, even Beard. This scene doesn't proof anything.
@@dotdot5906 that's fair, though I personally consider the scene semi-canon, the plot development is real but the dead characters aren't / maybe its saying Evan is close to death / but I totally get how you could consider outside of Canon
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I always wonder how they both won the fight and continued in the story when in each of their boss fights the other dies.
Biker was drunk at the time, as for Jacket he was hallucinating
It's implied that one of them beat the other (likey jacket beat biker) but didn't kill them, and they escaped to continue their storyline.
@@thegoldenhotdog345 but for some reason, with a golf club, Jacket Made a cut on Biker's cheek.. Hmmm
its because, biker won the battle, jacket only was hallucinating that he win, from that part the game looks like a dream and only back to normal at the hospital, so yeah
@@thegoldenhotdog345 Richter was sent to assassinate Jacket specifically because he didnt kill Biker
I believe the biker missions are stories being told by old biker. where as in reality he was beaten within an inch of his life, he tells the story as if he one shot jacket.
wait jacket saw what biker said in a wrong way jacket saw him say your dead meat but biker actually said get out of here if you dont wanna die
Jacket has a sociopath visible thing
To see people around dead and talk to him
And actually think that everyone's being aggressive with him
He didn't actually know that he had a chance to just walk away so proceeded to fight
@@Nomimesh damn
@@Nomimesh sociopaths aren't retarded lmao, it was because of Richter shooting him in the head
@@bionicmanspeedruns Yeah, I was wrong
Apparently jacket didn't remember anything right, because he was shot in the head and stayed in coma.
Jacket remebers wrong because of coma memory
Biker remembers wrong because he was still druged since his last night party
Both are kinda unreliable narrators, jacket is remembering while in a coma where he hallucinates half and misremebers the other half
Biker was coming down from a drug bender the morning of, they both lost and came out alive
Looks like TLOU2 got inspiration from this fight
Well it makes sense, considering Hotline Miami can also be found in a Ps vita in TLOU
I would say it took more than a little inspiration, revenge and violence is bad and two main characters (without needed to manipulate you for which one is good on bad)
@@hackerhawk3636 look, its not that deep, i meant smashing one of the protagonist head with golf club
REAL
@@MrJedroi258 probably a coincidence
I like to think they both won the fight somehow and then decided to just leave each other alone and continue their story.
Makes sense
So draw
Jacket's fight is so disappointing - You'd think someone who was part of an elite army suicide mission branch would be one tough son of a bitch to take care of, but nope. All he does is walk at you with a club.
if you actually had to duel jacket he would fucking ptsd you all over until you rage quit
The fight against jacket isn't real there is evidence biker was on hard drugs that day and the next day when we play him again his apartment is completely empty and the phone call literally tells him he's dead also yes I do know it can be interpreted as a threat but he is absolutely dead hlm2 confirms this further when you meet him in a bar filled with dead people
@@stevenlureli3138 Yeeaahhh, I know but still, Devolver could have done him more justice, even just for the sake of representation
@@coolaman5 you can let jacket hit you with the golfclub it'll scar biker in the rest of the missions go try it for yourself
2:43 wait what...
i literally died like 60 times and all what i will use is the knife?
Did you have a stroke in the middle of writing this?
How, this mission was so easy
grammar mode
@@OneSensitiveArtist He probably did.
😭
Jackets death is disapointing in my opinon, no boss fight just execution
Kinda boring tbh
well I mean Biker is high off his mind, and if we did fight Jacket we would have our asses kicked until we wouldn't want to play the game any more
@@scouttf2gaming807 not even that but his death was so blend, I mean at least make the silent protagonist say something or make a cool death scene but nope just smashes his head.
Well, a boss fight could be very cool, but some people say this timeline isn't cannon because in hotline miami 2 Biker doesn't says that he killed 50 blessings
@@rusky1820 Both fights are cannon, since Richter was sent to kill Jacket for failing to kill Biker
Coming in with a straight answer for anyone curious:
Jacket won. Due to one important fact..his assassination attempt. If he had died here or even been BEATEN here he would not have been able to get home back in time + would be significally way more damaged, along with messing up some aspects of the story already set on HM2
The jacket fight is piss easy
I see it as two parallel universes. In one, Jacket won the fight and spared Biker (that's why we see him HM2) and keep in mind in this point in the game he's in a coma having hallucinations, so Jacket thinks he killed him. In the other universe that we can see in the HM1 epilogue is the one where Biker won the fight and killed Jacket.
Who REALLY wins this fight?
They both do.
Jacket is hallucinating that he think he killed Biker, and Biker is too high that he think he killed Jacket.. so no body wins this fight..
I’m guessing they both just beat the hell out of each other to the point where they left battered but thinking they killed each other.
bikers head gets bashed in and he has a hard time remembering things but he recovers. jacket goes to the hospital for head injuries.
It was likely a tie but they both remember it different, Biker was high out of his mind and thought that night was easy street, Jacket was put into a coma shortly thereafter by Ritcher so everything was a haze. Its likely that they both beat each other to near death which lead to some hallucinations
very helpfull, I couldn't figure how to kill him lol
Haha, no worries bro.
because in the redux version the fight is not the same as the vanilla version?
What's the name of the song playing during their fight?
I think "release"
Release by MOON
Release
@@K1ngISsoEp1c nice save bro
@@detectivepayne3773 Shit my bad I thought he was talking about the part here he gets the phone call about a prank caller
Okay so i talked to my friend sam he played both games and i asked him of biker and jacket and he said if you played both fights you could see that jacket and biker didn't kill each other they injured each other so you would think in jacket's coma he killed biker but in reality he didn't he injured him same goes with biker he might have injured jacket but he didn't kill him and the both escaped
I personally think Jacket beated daf out of Biker (as shown by the scar on HM2), but prefered to let him live. And thats the reason Richet or Richer (dont remeber the name of the guy in the rat mask, long time i dont play), was sent to kill Jacket. He succed (because do, he had a gun. Jacket is elite forces, but aint god), but failed because he survived, them Jacket waked up, went to end Richter and preferred to let him live again. Jacket is too merciful. Or, he was probably having a psicosis when fighting Biker, and thought he killed him, but he actually survived. That's why he appears alive in the second game.
Well jacket is not really an heartless monster and Richter when he said something to jacket before shooting him once in the head (must had grazed his head since he was wearing a mask and Richter shooted once, plus people can if lucky survive headshot) was not in an happy or sadistic tone , but something he was forced to "kill" a fellow citizen to protect her sick mother and to stay alive for her.
And at the cops places , in the cell once jacket saw after hearing Richter say that he was also getting the phone calls too did not beat Richter any further nor strangled him to death and leave to do what he think is true revenge...
Why they both fight eachother?
Its in the games story why they fought. But the interesting part is that it is unknown what happened in that fight, the biker was high, and jacket was hallucinating.
Because Biker started to Become bored and stopped responding to messages,and fifty Blessings (the guys behind the phonecalls) wanted biker to die because Biker stopped responding to messages.so they sent jacket to kill biker.
oh damn..
Biker got suspicious so went into the phone company to tack down 50 blessings, then Jacket was sent in too kill him, neither succeeded in killing each other though
Biker was busy trying to expose 50 Blessings, and 50 Blessings sent Jacket in to stop him.
😵💫 *just confused af*
Biker mato a jacket eso no es cierto jacket mato a biker ese si escierto de que jacket mato a jacket porque a jacket lo pusieron en payday 2
q tenia q ver
Jacket en Payday 2 no es canon en la historia de Hotline Miami
Que
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Juega el segundo juego..
Luego habla coherentemente ...
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Biker does not exist, he is just a Jacket hallucinatination created to explain the lore for players, proof me wrong
Biker talks to the journalist in HM2 and you can see the scar from his fight with Jacket / the writer has never heard about biker in relation to jackets encounter, meaning he exists outside of Jacket's memory
@@owenbrown5116 Biker talks to Evan, yes, but he does that in a bar FILLED WITH DEAD CHARACTERS. Even Jake is there, who died like 2 years ago, even Beard. This scene doesn't proof anything.
@@dotdot5906 that's fair, though I personally consider the scene semi-canon, the plot development is real but the dead characters aren't / maybe its saying Evan is close to death / but I totally get how you could consider outside of Canon
@@dotdot5906 you can see him in the bottom left corner when evan walks out of the court in first trial
he appears in the crowd at the begining of the first evan wright level