MZTV 1662: The Martin Zender Apology Tour
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- I’m sorry if, while explaining the full resumé of Christ Jesus last week, I led anyone to believe that those aware of only a portion of Christ’s resumé are not in the body of Christ. I exhort everyone to continue to love these brothers and sisters in Christ because, indeed, they are brothers and sisters in Christ. Selling short the resumé of Christ, as much as we may despise it, has nothing to do with the death of Christ for sins, His entombment, and His resurrection.
I am also publicly apologizing in this video to John Moneypenny and Mark Haukaas. I offended both of them in different ways but, nevertheless, my zeal for this topic sometimes causes my patience and tolerance to run short. This, I regret.
The three most awful heresies in Christianity are 1) Eternal Torment, 2) Free Will, and 3) the Trinity. Every one of these heresies have unfortunately inspired counter-heresies that, while not as terrible as the original, are false teachings unto themselves. Eternal Torment has inspired the counter-heresies of Universalism and Unitarianism. Free Will has inspired the counter heresies of Fatalism and Absolutism. The Trinity has inspired the counter heresy now under discussion and scrutiny, the heresy that has entrapped some of our own brothers and sisters, that is, that Christ didn’t even exist until His birth in Bethlehem. In order to rob the Trinitarians of an essential plank of their argument, they have robbed Christ of one of His premier glories. If any counter-heresy could be accused of being worse than the original departure from faith, it would be this one.
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This whole thing is a beautiful exercise in learning and growing in the growth of God knowing He is articulating each conversation through us blows my mind and brings me peace knowing we cannot outstep what He has for us to learn. There’s much peace in contemplating Christ’s previous glory. He is begotten of THE God and Father. God makes Christ for the ultimate lesson in lessons: God kills and makes alive and God is love. We may be happy because God is happy. Totally. Stephen and I will continue to explore Christ’s glory. Man, this is cool shit.
Amen, my brother. The more we learn about Christ the better off we are. Someone commented on this video that I could do a whole 800 show series on the glories of Christ. And he is right.
I agree with Gabe here...
I was thinking as this was all unfolding, that while no one's teaching or character is beyond scrutiny, I feel that Martin's resume as a solid teacher and one who has tirelessly proclaimed the evangel and things relating to it should illicit in us a respect for what God has achieved in him.
God's work in Martin has brought peace and understanding to many.
This is not what declares his position on this view correct but I feel it deserves to be noted along the way.
The office of teacher is vital to us all.
Brilliant! thank you for your teaching. Since I ceased believing that my will is free, I have faaaar less sin-problems than before. WOW! your point to the overreactions to those major 3 doctrinal flaws is just amazing!
Thank you for this beautiful and thoughtful comment. I need it today in light of some of the nastier remarks. Thank you!
Hallo Benedikt, freut mich in Deinem @ deutsche Worte zu lesen!
Even from an Arian (pre-existence) perspective, I don’t understand why Christ’s pre-existence would be His “premier glory.” Whether He pre-existed or not, His premier glory was in living a sinless life, despite temptation, and then giving that life for our sins.
@ My reply got deleted. I’m not going to bother re-typing it.
@@DrewCosten It might come back. I've noticed that happens to mine as well for a few minutes to an hour . Annoying as hell, isn't it.
@Lazarus_Slept We differ on what he emptied himself of. The context of Phil 2 does not need to stretch to a pre-existing celestial being.
Keep in mind what Paul was working to get across to the Philippians - to adopt the humble attitude Christ demonstrated during His ministry, the local context is Christ as a man, still having the form/image/outward appearance of God (demonstrated by his words and deeds).
He was equal with God in the characteristics of the power and authority given to him at that time as the anointed Son of God: Messiah/King status, legions of messengers available to him, could have turned stones to bread to feed himself. Jesus emptied himself by choosing not to exercise that power and authority for himself. He emptied himself by humbling himself.
Let's talk Scripture. Paul mentions two glories of Christ in Philippians. He 1) emptied Himself, coming to be in fashion as a human, and 2) humbles Himself to death, even the death of the cross. So I would say that 1) is probably at least 50% of 2.
@Lazarus_Slept Yes. Amen.
Theologians are as close to the truth as a paintball tournament is to a Special Operations Mission.
A Theologian made my wife cry for almost 24 hours straight in 2019 saying that no one belongs in Hell more than her. My 7 year old son at the time was a witness which made it even worse. I have a ZERO tolerance policy for the title of Theologian.
Amen. Double Amen. They will answer to what they did to your wife and son.
Absolutely awful! 😢
💔😢🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼💜
I am so sorry to hear that. I subjected my children to Sunday School, where they were threatened with Hell if they did not believe. That's child abuse!!!!
It definitely should be considered as such. It truly is diabolical. When children are involved that’s where we should all stoutly draw the line.
Grace and Peaches to you.
Rooted and Grounded! Thank you Martin
It takes a real man to come out like this and apologize for "hurting their feelings" but NOT for telling the truth. That is why Martin you and I cry at times and are alone 😢because we won't compromise our known truth. We want to make all men see, but we can't. We just can't . So Martin, brother, going forward, know you are doing the will of God, and like Christ and Paul, you will be mocked, criticized, called names, but dear brother REJOICE in all of it for there is a crown waiting for you/us in heaven. We are ENDURING and many don't see the truth no matter what we say or even the Bible! You are NOT alone. I am by your side here in fire 🔥 CA. LOVE THE BEATLES TOO
Very well stated by you, Linda. thank you for these words, they are a comfort to me; I really need them this day. You are so correct in that, when stepping out and standing for truth, we will inevitably be mocked and have our characters demeaned, but God knows who we are. Happy to meet another Beatles fan!
@@zendermeister have ALL the vinyl albums. Words for tonight "whisper words of wisdom, Let it Be "
Personally I do not see the need to apologies cause its about the teaching and not about the person. Its classy though that you do. I did wonder why this subject come up now so big time. Is it because we want to know so desperately who Christ is cause we will meet Him so soon. Although I do not like all those negativity around this I want to thank you because things getting still more clear now on different levels. I ll stick with reading what is written in Scripture, plainly to read for yourself. I can not understand how someone read for example John and all time thinking oh no God did not send His Own Beloved Son but a 'thought' and it became His Son. Gets me totally confused.
Beautiful post, Paula. I needed it today, really. And you bring up a big point, I think, about why this topic NOW. Relatively, it's because another teacher started teaching it: Richard Golko. But God probably has something much bigger in mind, as you suggest here. Beautiful. Thanks for taking the time to write.
Grace and peace, Martin and all others:
It's mid-afternoon here in snowy Seattle, so I'll respond tomorrow.
by George, Martin I've got it!! It is all about the trinity!! Thank God for all you do. Your teaching has been a blessing to me.🥰
Thank you so much, Donna. I really needed to hear this today. Thank you!
Thank you for sharing this video with us, Martin. 💗💗💗💗💗💗💗
So thankful for clear truth - keep calling out those who promote incorrect thoughts and beliefs. If it were not for the truth that YOU Martin spoke I would still be mired in crap. God used YOU to demolish everyone of those same false beliefs that I too had in my zeal to denounce the trinity. It was real painful and difficult to renounce and remove all my false crappy doctrines in my writings but the breaking of that bondage brought freedom. Yes, I too was a theologian in my error of my own imaginations - as you called me out with the word "sophistry".
Dear Garry, your comments here and on Friday are extremely valuable for the body of Christ. I will be highlighting them. Thank you for being so transparent with us.
If I ever go on the internet and say something about Christ Jesus you can prove wrong please humiliate me NOW.
I would rather know the truth than be stuck in a muddy ditch after overcorrecting which is actually where I've been for most of my 50 years of life.
Thats what a brother does! It is expected!
Don't let me walk around with my fly open either or have a conversation with me while a booger is flapping around in my nose without saying a word then I find out later while looking in the mirror. I'd be pissed at you just over here living my life with a huge booger. You'll never have to apologize for caring enough to try and help me out the ditch.
I love these guys too and I know they love the truth they shouldn't be offended.
this is a mature comment, made in love for all concerned. Thank you, Clint. For the record, I have never seen a booger on your nose.
Hear! Hear!! Hear!!!👏🏼👏🏼Ooooo geeezoo!! What a 🐝utifully descriptive post!! 😂love it to death!! Sooo true!! To Martin the "Tow truck," the "Fly zipper," and "Boooger picker," o how we love you!! Especially those of us who spent so many yrs festering in a sewage pit of lies about Jesus Christ-and all the rest!! I still find myself sweeping out the trash, thankfully folks like you Martin, Mike Knotts, Liam McAlester and others - the piles in the dust pan are much smaller and fewer and farther btwn! I thank you all for that. If I had any question about the pre-existence of Christ bfr, im rock solid now. Tho UNDERSTANDING how He went from glory to here is still baffling to my brain! Much love to y'll🙏🏼💜
@@zendermeister...ahhh Martin!! You are lioooved🙏🏼💜💜💜
I'm glad you've covered this so much because I too have been influenced by the Trinity over-reacters. I'd love to hear a show on Only the Glories of Christ. Personally, I see Jesus as a celestial type of being before he was born a human being but I too was also confused over this issue so I understand that it takes a while to get past the idea that Jesus and I are exactly alike in every way. I too get frustrated when people aren't hearing my words but I'm comforted knowing that Jesus went through the same thing... "Why do you not understand what I am saying?" John 8:43 I can picture Jesus saying this with a little frustration. 😎
From Jamaica: Martin, i love how you radiated love in defending the truth of the pre-existence of Christ.
Wonderful, heartfelt apology Martin. I'm sure it was appreciated by those who felt hurt. I do have to defend one thing though. Yes, everyone is exactly where God wants them. That does not mean that we should leave them there and not show them truth. If that were the case, I'd still be a Baptist, teaching (and hating) the doctrine of turn or burn. If leaving them where they are is true, why does God call for evangelists? You are where God wants you so don't ever stop exposing, rebuking and entreating.
As a Beatles fan, I liked your analogy but I believe it goes even further. It's like someone says, "Man, I really liked your album Let it be. It's too bad you didn't produce anything before that". That misses all of the great work they (He) did before.
Looking forward to finding out who "got it" last week.
I needed this beautiful comment today, Greg, especially in light of some of the nastier comments. Thank you for taking the time to post! And you’re right, that Beatles analogy goes both ways. So appreciate you.
Amen!! Right there w/ you...well stated🙏🏼💜
@@GregUniRec ENTREAT! Love it brother. This time the discussion has been much more cordial and I’m happy to be coming at this from a place of peace and appreciation for Who God makes Christ to be rather than the anger and alienation I felt before with any disagreement. Funny how much God can do for us in such a small time. Christ’s glories are for us to enjoy, not fight about and belittle one another with. Love some one so much that you cannot leave them without giving them some love through the word.
We are quite the compilation of people and at different levels of understanding God gives us. We are to love one another above all things and with that means telling the truth from the word and being ok with disagreements or not changing somebody’s mind. God is in the business of changing hearts and minds and boy is He good at it!
Stay crucial Greg and stoked to see you in KC!
@@sethfahlenkamp6278 Well said my friend and brother, well said. Can't wait to hang with you and the other youngsters in KC too. Love ya man.
Good morning my beautiful family! 🕊️💕
Good morning, lil sis! 🌞❤️
Good morning
I like that description - " We have a will, it's just not free". I think of our will as a "caused will". Would that be an accurate way to describe it, Mr. Zender?
Yes, exactly Karen. That is a beautiful way to describe it, and accurate. Philippians two verse 12 also says it very well. “God is operating in us to willing to work.” Thank you for taking the time to post!
If Jesus didn't pre exist, what do we make of His 7 "l Am" statements in the Gospel of John as well as the many theopanies contained throughout the OT?
Please study it and see if there are another way to interpret these sayings! Peace.
Thx, Martin, however I’m a bit confused. Can you please answer yes or no to this question: if someone believes 1Cor 15:1-4 but doesn’t yet know and may still believe in the ‘4 doctrines of demons’ are they in the Body of Christ’? I’m hearing different answers from you and others. Thanks!
Thx Martin, especially your touching on absolutism. I'd never really heard it described before so this is another gem to tuck away in the grey matter.
I really needed to hear this blessing today thank you! I really appreciate you taking the time to post. We can never learn too much about Christ and his glories.
In my opinion it takes a person of strong character and real humility to apologise. Especially before so many witnesses.
Respect Martin.
Greetings To Y'all Recipients Of Grace and Enjoyers Of Enjoying God's Creation, Blessings MZ❤🦅✨🤟
My witness has been that psuedo-christians have been trying to improve the resume of Christ to convert pagans ever since Paul's departure. The appeal of gods becoming human precedes even Christianity.
"Who hath believed our report?"
Virually no one. That's why Jesus actually being the Creator Himself has such appeal.
Fatalism denies God’s existence.
It is NOT as you defined it. Fatalism denies that God determines the outcome. It claims Fate determined the outcome.
I think that, technically, you are correct about that.
@@zendermeisterAlso, Unitarianism does believe in free will and a judgement that leads to annihilation. So those of us who are not of the preexistence view are certainly not Unitarian. Not sure if you thought that we would be Martin, but just making this observation.
Great message.🥀😊
Whosoever will undertake to unfold these heavenly Mysteries, must carefully avoid three Rocks.
1. He must take heed of indulging too much to Fancy: For Fancy is not a sure Foundation to build Divine Interpretations upon.
2. He must take heed, that he doth not appropriate what is spoken in general concerning the Churches of Christ in the world, unto that particular Church and Nation in which he liveth.
3. He must take heed, that he be not too peremptory in determining of Times and Seasons; especially of such times which are yet to be fulfilled.
“Free Will by the Grace of God”
Laus Soli Deo
As always, I enjoy/learn from, all the comments as well as the video...Thanks so much Martin for trying to clear the air w/ some of the folks that you noticeably care about. And as always, much love gracenpeace to y'll...looking fwd to meeting you in 2 1/2min🙏🏼💜🎉🎉🎉
☀Grace and Peace☀
GRACE AND PEACE!!!!
Martin, you're the best ever, Im not the best scholar, I listen and try to process alot of information in your presentation. I get it wrong sometimes . Heres the thing , it is the truth you call out errors, I have peace for once in my life . All i want is the truth and i believe you have a way of opening my mind to all things that are truth to see things in a different way if that makes sense. I enjoy in truth , i enjoy in your funny cliches so thankyou so much. God has blessed me in so much you have no idea how much my mind has opened up to what you have to say because there is therefore no more condemnation in my thoughts at all.😮😮 thankyou.
GOOD MONDAY BODY OF CHRIST
Martin, I accepted your 4-sentence challenge in my video The Preexistence Police. Also, Staci, whom you referred to on Friday, is my wife. (on this profile, not my old one)
The disagreement is nullified with a basic grasp of physics. But as you said in your video, at some point it becomes more about winning than finding actual truth.
God is not bound by time, nor is Jesus. God tells us plainly that a day is like thousand years to Him, that He tells us the end from the beginning...etc. He is not operating in time. Nor is Jesus Christ. Indeed, this reality exists in time, and from that vantage point, everything that is happening inside time is always happening, this is a scientific fact. It's based on speed. If you could move at the speed of light, time would appear to be at a standstill. If you could move faster than light, you would move backwards in time. This is fact, not theory. Atomic clocks flying at altitude moving at
high speeds move at different speeds.
God CREATED these principles and laws. It may sound like science fiction but it's absolutely true. What does it matter? Because Jesus was incepted in the womb via supernatural means. When He ascended to that timeless place, He then pre existed time, and He appeared before His own birth. He had become flesh which pre existed His own birth.
Time and the order in which things happen are percieved in a straight line from our perspective. God's plan was laid out before time. These things are not logical in human terms. God's ways are not our ways.
I know this will be ignored, but I just point it out because the argument itself is honestly moot. God obviously pre existed according to Scripture, and He was also born in Bethlehem. It's like trying to argue about how God impregnated Mary via Holy Spirit. The answer? He is God. How did Jesus pre exist His own birth? God is God and doesn't work like we do.
For some reason I can see your reply on the other comment but I can't reply.
What you stated is correct, God nor Jesus exist in time. The idea of "time travel" is not correct concerning God....He is omnipotent, meaning time has no hold over Him, or Jesus, as He exists in that timeless realm as well.
The only way for something to pre exist itself is to be outside of time. God created Jesus outside of time and He created all through Christ, as Scripture states. He also created Jesus in Bethlehem. This isn't possible in time. It is only possible outside of time.
If we could actually create a time machine....we can't, God's laws of physics that govern reality....but if we could, and you and I stepped outside of the time barrier and could choose to go back to the beginning where God created all things....then we would pre exist our own birth.
Scripture gives us the plain info that God and Jesus exist outside of time. I believe that when Paul was taken to the third heaven, Jesus moved him there as well. John was shown the future in Revelation. And Jesus clearly says, before Abraham, I am. He met Elijah and Moses while here on earth and they were seen. We know Elijah and Moses are dead, and they weren't ghosts. The only explanation for this is God allowed them to step outside of time, likely from where they exist in eternity with God, and they were placed inside time for that meeting.
God simply uses time as a physical law for this reality. He works inside and out of it with no problem. And to us it seems impossible.
@JonHarrod77 Dude, I actually read your comment-because you seem like a decent guy. And I already agree with you on the science of God being outside of time and creating it. But here’s the issue: if Christ also fits that criteria and is described as equal to the Logos in John 1:1, then Christ *is* God. That raises a huge problem-since God cannot die (or else everything would cease to exist), then Christ’s death wasn’t real, which means the sacrifice wasn’t genuine. See what I mean?
I see for sure. The issue with that is, Jesus laid aside His power and equality with God while here. He relied on the Father for all of His power and miracles, as was His mission. When satan said, Throw yourself from this cliff, you can call a legion of angels to come save you.....Jesus said that we don't tempt God. Jesus knew God's plan, and as the perfect image of God, He followed it via faith given to Him by the Father. According to Philippians, He could have used His own power, He chose not to and instead followed the Father's will. So He displayed more faith than any man could....if you or I had the power to uncreate everything with a word, or call angels to save us, etc.....we would. Jesus was more human than any other as He denied Himself His own deity and trusted God totally.
Philippians 2 1:8
Chapter 2
1 If, then, there is any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any communion of spirit, if any compassion and pity,
2 fill my joy full, that you may be mutually disposed, having mutual love, joined in soul, being disposed to one thing --
3 nothing according with faction, nor yet according with vainglory -- but with humility, deeming one another superior to one's self,
4 not each noting that which is his own, but each that of others also.
5 For let this disposition be in you, which is in Christ Jesus also,
6 Who, being inherently in the form of God, deems it not pillaging to be equal with God,
7 nevertheless empties Himself, taking the form of a slave, coming to be in the likeness of humanity,
8 and, being found in fashion as a human, He humbles Himself, becoming obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
@JonHarrod77 thanks for your reply, please just be careful about describing my words: I agree with you about God but not about Christ, because I don't call Christ God. My 4-sentence answer scripturally covers why Christ being a being which came into being automatically makes preexisting before He came into being impossible, not only scientifically but also scripturally. God, of course, never came into being in the first place. You're welcome to disagree with me about Christ, that is simply the key difference.
MZ, Good stuff today. I think I like you today more than any other day I have known of you. ❤️
I'll take it! thank you.
Martin, 1 Corinthians was written to the Corinthians in the first century. If Paul's evangel is to be on an individual basis (allowing a belief in eternal torment as you have said), then none of us here today can be part of the BOC. Without the truth of the salvation of all, we can not apply Paul's teaching to ourselves or anyone else born after the first century.
I definitely see your point, and I appreciate it. You may be right about the eternal torment teaching. I still can’t see it that way, but I might be wrong about it. Thank you for taking the time for such a thoughtful post.
@@zendermeisterI’m having a hard time seeing how a belief in eternal torment still allows one to believe that Christ died for sin. Eternal torment is only THE most horrific idea imaginable and the God who IS love that NEVER fails came up with it….😱😵💫😳🫢
Seriously? You have said free will is predicated on eternal torment in order to get God off the hook for people going to hell. So if eternal torment is the foundation for free will, which is a disqualifyer for the BOC, how could it possibly still allow one to believe Jesus died for sin?
I understand that “Christ died for sin” means ALL sin. Christianity says Christ died for all sin EXCEPT that of unbelief. I had someone tell me that unbelief is not a sin. No? It’s only the first human sin recorded in scripture. Adam and Eve did not believe God, they believed Satan. Unbelief. If they had believed God we wouldn’t be in this mess, but of course God designed it that way. I read in your writing that God designed Adam and Eve spiritually weak and put the adversary in their environment, which was just asking for trouble, i.e., designed so they would fail. Unfortunately for humanity, a necessary stage for us to experience in order to be brought to an appropriate appreciation of who God is in order to enjoy Him forever afterward. If this view is not accurate, then we are really in trouble, for God has lost control of His creation.
So, Martin, how do you arrive at the possibility that belief in eternal torment still allows for inclusion in the BOC?
Martin,
you were the teacher who lead me to the conclusion that I am, in fact, a member of the BOC so many years ago. For that I will always be grateful.
If I could just make one suggestion, attack the teaching that is in error. Ignore the specific members. Spend 15 minutes on this one time one show and move on. Do not let it affect your emotions, as brutally difficult as that will be. Most of us already get it and you are not personally responsible for those who do not.
Of relevance presently is the man who will fill the A/C role is now in power and the announced (on day one) StarGate AI is the beast system without a doubt (I'm I.T.), they already announced they will be watching everything everyone does and if you think that is fantasy think again because they already track everything you do and say (This I know for a fact).
An EO has already been issued to deal with anyone who exhibits anti-Semitism (and they alone define what that means). Roundups of illegals have already begun, soon to include Christians and anyone who resists what the state is doing or even has an opposing opinion.
This is it, the moment we have been waiting for. This last part is very relevant to timing that involves our extrication. If you could please just dig into and clarify this last part for us (I got it from Aaron's site)
1) the apostasy is when Israel makes a military pact with a stronger foreign nation and abandons GOD for that protection.
2) the only way we can positively identify the A/C is when the first prophecy related to him is fulfilled so the 7 year military covenant (which will be with Israel).
The way things are going lately this announcement could come any day now. Aaron makes the case that 2) will be the kick-off event for the Day of the Lord and will happen simultaneously with 1).
Is this a correct understanding?
@Dean-j8z hi Dean. What did you think of my answer to Martin's 4-sentence challenge? Martin said he won't watch it purely on the basis of my mask, worn temporarily for creative reasons, even though he already knows what I look like. It's only 8 minutes long and features my four, purely scripturally phrased sentences. I think it might surprise you.
@@HellDispelled No offense Dude but I didn't watch it and I have always believed in the pre-existence of Christ from the beginning. What Martin said just reinforced what I already knew. As far as these differences in opinion go I think they are distractions and we should just move on, the extrication is very near and I think we should unite and focus on that.
I did the challenge too but received a long paragraph for the answer. I do not care anymore now. I said my piece and am ready to move on. I doubt anyone changed their mind based on all this discussion. I seen someone say Christ glory did not come until His resurrection. That I agree with. John 7: 39 Now this He said concerning the spirit which those believing in Him were about to get. For not as yet was holy spirit given, for Jesus is not as yet glorified.
@mikeandthebook1763 solid stuff, dude. There's just no justice in this world, but when we share in that then that like you just said then makes me feel a whole lot better. LGP
It’s a covenant with MANY and I believe it is T man’s Abrahamic Accords
I guess my comments today were both deleted. That is ok. I just wanted to say that All in All I have learned the truth and a lot is because of Martin. I am very grateful for what he has taught me. But when I disagree I must state it and sometimes maybe I sound a bit like a rebel. I think I have been called to be a rebel. I know when I was a part of organized religion I was a thorn in the preachers side. It wasn't until I found out about the salvation of all after throwing that idea aside for months. This was over 10 years ago. I studied hard and read a lot of Martin's books. That really helped me. I am grateful for that. When I respond and it may sound like I am angry or short, that is just me. I do not like being questioned whether I am a part of the BOC but that is ok too. God is my judge. I wish you all the best and hope you can come to peace with whichever side you are on when it comes to the pre-existence of Christ. It is not as clear as everyone thinks
Don’t worry, I am also called to be a rebel so I understand yourplight. I promise you I have not deleted any of your comments.
Don’t worry, I am also called to be a rebel so I understand yourplight. I promise you I have not deleted any of your comments. Your opinions are as valuable to me as any others. Thank you for the comments.
Yes I did not think you would delete them because you are not shy to back away from negative comments.ha. I am not saying that I disagree with you on this but at the moment I need to just fill in the blanks of where I have questions. I really like your teaching most of time nd that you do not shy away from the tough issues. But I will let you know when I have a different view.
@@mikeandthebook1763 Thank you for the gracious response. And yes, you are always welcome to make any negative comments on tough questions. It's how we all grow. Grace and peace and love.
Question Martin.
In Isaiah 46:10, God says, “I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come."
That is the opposite of linear. I believe you ignore the time aspect of reality because of the idea that God could look down through the future and see who chooses Him, thus making free will possible. But as God is in total control, Him being omnipotent, He has to be causing all, as you taught me.......because He is not in control if He is reacting to humans and their decisions.
So honestly the "time games" as you call them are simply obvious and proof that God is in absolute control.
Also I think my question was invisible, I apologize. How do you explain Jesus meeting Moses and Elijah in his life without God manipulating time?
thanks again for your gracious responses, Jon. No doubt God is in total control. But He always presents this control as THE EONIAN GOD. that is the phrase, from Romans 16:25, that I can't get away from. I admit to not understanding your argument, and it's just because I cannot think or reason in the abstract. So it's not you, it's me. I can ONLY think like an 8 yr. old. That's MY problem.
@@Dipdip77 It was a look into the future. God can manipulate time while still BEING in time. Just that fact that we can say, "God is manipulating time" is a time phrase having nothing to do with God being in a so-called "timeless realm"---whatever that might be.
@@zendermeister I think we are saying the same thing in different ways. I understand what you are saying and respect it. I have listened to about a thousand hours of your teachings and had probably 300 mind explosions as what you are teaching hits me so hard I can't speak for a bit.
Love you man, you are amazing.
Good Morning BOC❤
What happens to a member of the BoC that deletes themself? ...asking for a friend....& we know that would be God's will.
My sister did in 2010
@@JKBelle So sorry to hear.
How would that even be possible? I'll put the supporting verses below but my understanding of "designated beforehand" and "snatched away" is that inclusion in the BOC is a non-optional situation. If you even could get out of it, would you really want to?
Romans 8:30
Now whom He designates beforehand, these He calls also, and whom He calls, these He justifies also; now whom He justifies, these He glorifies* also.
1st Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord Himself will be descending from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the Chief Messenger, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ shall be rising first.
Thereupon we, the living who are surviving, shall at the same time be snatched away* together with them in clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And thus shall we always be together with the Lord.
@@Dean-j8z true! No one can get out of being designated beforehand for a place in the body.
@zendermeister yeah, but sometimes, l would love to be on Earth during the Millennial. For once, my vegetable patch might be more productive!
Hey Brother Martin! I’m not usually one for recommending you block and report someone on here, but kunkun6562 (by the supposed name “Peter Keil”) has been making disgusting claims that “he saw you at the Diddy party” and other rude and weird comments.
I looked at his profile and he has a picture of King Charles or some AI pic that is clearly not him and no content, but he has been increasingly leaving rude and hateful comments on here and mocking people at times. He also stated I need to stop pretending I have ADHD lol!
I reported that Diddy comment he made about you and blocked him from my channel.
Saying something like that is not just defamatory, it’s blasphemous and vile and cannot go on IMO.
I only say this because I do care! 🙏
I apologise I didn’t know how horrific it was in my school we had a performance and my friend dressed up as P Diddy
I don’t follow the news about celebs I just get it from my friends and I got told the joke that I was at a P Diddy party
Please don’t take my humour like bad intentions it’s just the current teenage boy humour here in the UK
Martin has changed my life I am 17 I have known him since I was 13
Oh God what I am to antsgonize even the BoC
Thinking somehing and teaching something is the same thing if it is a bad thing in terms of morality - God tests the heart
You make a great point here.
Martin, which verse in scripture says that the Tories will suffer loss at the Dais? Haven't been able to find it... However, I did find in 1 Corinthians 6 that it says drunkards, revilers, & greedy will not be enjoying the allotment of God's kingdom. Which is interesting, because your'e always drunk and abusively speaking to those of the Body of Christ!
WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT! Sipping on alcohol does not a drunkard make. Geez.
When is he “drunk?” Having a couple drinks is not being drunk!
@@JKBelle but you didn't deny the other two...
From everything wicked to the perception, abstain.
alcohol is wicked to your liver..can the BOC stop trying to kill Martin❤
i got liver damage when i was a child so im an advocate for livers..especially BOC livers.
im only speaking to the physical here not morals..strong drink is for someone on their deathbed..they didn't have morphine drips back then.
@@jimbollinger-s6ihow does he speak “abusively?” I don’t find that to be true at all. Some people are very sensitive and cannot stand being corrected or feel rejected if someone brings up a concern.
I wasn't offended at all.
M’s❤
I saw this video that answers the challenge of 4 sentences or less.
ruclips.net/video/uZeMLcFJ-Pw/видео.html
I would like to add, Martin, I fully appreciated today's video in light of the past 6 shows. Thanks for the apology
I'm not watching the video of a guy who looks like he just robbed the 7-11.
@@zendermeister I watched this video because I was curious and you're choosing not to because you are overreacting... how rich is that
@@ranhare8802 pretty rich, I will have to admit.
@@ranhare8802 Hello, Ran. that video frightened me, to tell you the truth. I thought it was scary and strange, but I'm glad you watched it. Actually I had someone watch it for me and distill the verses for me, so I got the gist of the "defense." Thank you for your patience.