You still run with Potara being stronger just based on what he said at the end, which everyone seems to forget. Potara doesn’t require both being at the same power level
Personally I think simplicity of the potara fusion is what really makes it the better option. Assuming the power levels themselves are even somewhat relative between the two options, the need to learn and perform the dance correctly or risk a failed fusion and all the time wasted waiting to defuse and redo the dance, automatically makes it a much less practical option especially when it's with Goku and Vegeta as the fusing pair.. Where as with the potara you just gotta throw on some earrings and there is zero risk of failure...
Hence why elder said it was the more effective fusion and why he said Buu would not wait around and let them dance. He never doubted it's power, only it's method. Plus a battle worn Goku and Vegeta who are at not even 10% of there max power will produce a Gogeta and Vegito at 100% power despite not having 100% of there power to draw from. So I never understood the whole dance is weaker cuz you have to equalize power levels. We never see Goku and Vegeta powering up fully in base to use potara.
Maybe but the time factor makes it bad since the more power you put out the less time you have, if Goku and Vegita get to powerful, then what potara fusion will last 1 sec or can't fuse because potaras can't even handle the power especially considering Supreme kai was so surprise with Goku, Vegita, and Gohans power, I don't think these earings are that powerful.
The big advantage that I saw in the fusion dance was that you don't have to carry around a delicate piece of jewelery. Vegeta crushed it like a peanut when they defused inside Buu
The only time they were broken in a fight is when UI goku overpowered kefla, the earnings are protected by the user's ki, just like their body and clothes, even trying to say that the earrings are "delicate" in a fight is a massive reach, as gokus ki blast was way stronger than kefla anyway, so does it really matter that they broke? No.
@@JRLSpiderman your right an thats why Supreme Kai said potara is better than the dance not because it makes you stronger they are both equal in strength. Potara= more power equals less time fused not good if you can't kill him in time, just like Zamasu arc prooved. Metamorans Fusion= more power no problem which Broly movie prooved. Before you say Gotenks had a time limit when he put to much power thats because of SSJ3 which drains life force, in Gotenks case time.
The thing is though, when Old Kai says Potara is better, he says this after he tells them Boo won't just let them fuse. The very fact that you can fuse with anyone by snapping earnings on automatically makes Potara a better fusion method. You don't have to balance you ki or be of similar size. Old Kak was shown to be wrong about multiple things with the potara, and even in Z he didn't know why Goku and Vegeta defused, so I think him saying it's better is a combo of him tooting his own horn and referring to how the potara doesn't need to have specific poses. However, the WSJ guide that says Gogeta is a better balance makes sense as well. Potara is supposed to be for the Gods to use, and so it might not balance all the aspects of 2 mortal warriors, but instead just combine them. The Metamoran dance is designed to make a stronger warrior and because you have to match ki size and body size to fuse, it makes sense for Gogeta to be a better balance. The other big thing is Gotenks and Kibito Kai. Gotenks was way superior to Kibito Kai, yet the latter was likely comprised of stronger fusees, and used a stronger fusion. Imo they are meant to be equal. In BoG when goku says fusion won't be enough for Beerus, I think its talking about either form in general. The most recent guide says they are equally matched trump cards, so I think they are equal.
Do we ever get proper power scaling of Supreme Kai and Kibito, though? They're both constantly surprised by just how strong Goku and Vegeta are. Also Kibito Kai doesn't have access to any transformations, while Gotenks has Super Saiyan 3. Base Gotenks was no match for Fat Buu.
@@Hypershell yeah, we know Shin can kill freeza in an instant. Goku in the yo son goku and his friends return special says that the boys are a perfect match for freeza. But you could be right as Kibito is weak. Still they used this supposedly much better fusion and were still fodder. I think ssj gotenks would smash kibito kai
You make a lot of valid points that I never thought of, of course if you want to fuse faster then Potara would be the obvious choice. But if you want balance and easier control you should logically go with the Dance. In my opinion I’ll always think Gogeta is a better fusion even if they are considered to be equal simply cause Gogeta is just much more balanced and the Dance has proven to be equal to and sometimes above the items of the Gods which says a lot. I still like Vegito don’t get me wrong, and he’s just as capable as Gogeta, but imo Gogeta is better even if Vegito is stronger and has a longer time limit
Goten and Trunks are stronger than Kibito and Shin, according to his Daizenshuu Bio Goten was relative to Gohan at the start of the Buu saga, while Shin is stated in guides to be equal to Cell games SSJ Goku, Kibito is weaker than Shin and Trunks is a bit stronger than Goten, later down the arc Goten and Trunks get stronger by training so even tho they fused using a weaker method they were already way stronger than Kibito and Shin, it's only natural Gotenks would be stronger than Kibitoshin
@@Dragonballdave363 in that fight Goten and Trunks were way weaker than during the Buu saga since they were out of shape to the point they forgot basic things about fighting, seeing how Gohan was barely able to keep his power after not training for a few years, it's natural Goten and Trunks would get weaker as well
I hated the idea of Gogeta was better than Vegito because he gets the job done and not play around like Vegito does. Like you said in the video, Gogeta is primarily in movies so he has no choice but to get the job done. Vegito is used as a way to show that fusion can defeat the main villain. Hell in GT, Gogeta toyed with Omega Shenron so that point never made any sense to me.
He toyed with shenron to annoy him to the point that he would draw out his negative energy to transfer his own positive energy into it to dissipate it. Similar to when vegito toyed with buu to make buu absorb him to save their friends. Only difference is that gogeta is more efficient and gets the job done. Gogeta never really lost a fight as far as I know, where vegito never won. I am biased towards gogeta, but for good reasons I have evidence that gogeta is better than vegito Although jaw breaker vegito is unbeatable
@@jelloistasty probably could, but it's plot. Pretty much everything is plot Everything has to fit into a story It was be quite badass if gogeta broke the negative barrier by himself and like I said probably could, but again, story and plot Story and plot override everything
@@josephp95 To say that he was only playing with shenron *so he would specifically use the negative karma ball* is to assume he couldnt have just broke the barrier on his own without omegas help, which I highly doubt. Plot is everything, but we shouldn't make assumptions about it.
@@jelloistasty what he really did was crush two birds with one stone Allowing shenron to release negative energy from his body, then turning that negative energy into positive energy to cleanse the earth. Honestly doesn't really matter either way, would end up with the same result
I'd prefer it if each fusion had their own strengths and weaknesses, it makes things more interesting. I'm actually glad that Super did some retconning to make it less one sided.
The only weakness they have is time limit, vegtio is the perfect warrior for a reason if whis were to see vegtio he would have no comments and see no flaws.
I honestly had no problem with the retcon too, but then yet again even in the Buu saga when Vegitto unfused, it was never properly explained, only Goku tried to offfer an explanation, and as a kid I never bought Goku's explanation since he just learned of the Potara fusion just hours prior to the fight
I thought Death Battle handled the fight well, not showing too much favoritism towards one or the other I may be a Gogeta stan but I wasn't mad about the ending
The DB crew essentially used the same evidence and came to the same conclusions as Geekdom did, except they showed no hate to another production for their entertainment medium.
@@plus-delta4477 Death Battle did reference Heroes but to be fair when it came to the actual fight, they stuck to Z, GT and Super material. Personally I liked DB's video.
The only thing I want to really say in regards to this is the Metamoran fusion to me is just a ritual. So even though one person has to lower their power level to preform the ritual, it does not mean the fusion itself has lost any of the power the person that lowered their level had. Like it’s just something that must be done for the ritual to work. Not that the full power locked within isn’t being used in the end result.
@Geekdom101 doesn't SEG ( Super Exciting Guide ) describes the Fusion Dance as then multiplying the two people's power together? since the latter is weaker, they have to lower their PL to match with theirs, then it's multiplied. pretty sure SEG explains this.
@@Asmokedetector aight then that fr contradicts it being apart of the ritual and it’s really both lowered PL multiplied together to be the fusion’s power.
So your reason for Vegito likely winning against Gogeta more often than not are the same exact reasons Death Battle gave for why Vegito wins more often than not. Literally the same reasons - no need for Goku and Vegeta to equalize their power levels with Potara fusion, and Vegito has a slightly longer time limit. That consistency is why that result is most likely right.
@@revlismorningstar825 i think yall always forget about the zamasu fight, vegito defused in like 5 minutes even if he was supposed to have an hour of time, while gogeta was going all out and he didn’t defuse
Honestly, I thought the Death Battle guys did pretty good within the parameters they set. And they basically ended up in the same place you did. Vegito did win the SDBH anniversary anime. But I'm on team Gogeta all the way. You can say that two fighters who balance their ki on their own is better than a fusion that forces two imbalanced forces together because of the importance of balance and self control in eastern martial arts.
@@part-timegamer2712 They said both fusions had the timer issue, but Vegito had an entire hour compared to Gogeta's 30 mins. So in that case, Gogeta would end up defusing first out of the two fusions.
@Part-Time Gamer Very good points, but it goes to show how inconsistent the canon's logic is. Divine Ki should use the same amounts of Ki in a godlike way: less energy spill (hence being hard to sense) and more concentrated life force, yet it overtaxes the Potara by using "too much energy". Still, that's consistent with the current canon. At this point in the manga, Vegito wouldn't last over a handful of minutes (heck, maybe even 1 full-power attack) before running out the Potara.
@Part-Time Gamer vegito will always be better than gogeta. I guess you forgot vegito was up against an immortal god that many of vegitos attacks normally should have destroyed him while gogeta was up against a saiyan.
Gogeta has never lost or even had a close fight and he only has 30 mins . Janemba was as strong or stronger than buu amd gogeta did wayyy better . Vegito actually has never defeated anyone 😂
I believe the reason why Gogeta didn't separate prematurely against Broly like Vegito did against Zamasu is because unlike Vegito who had gone full power from the beginning of his fight against Zamasu, Gogeta fought Broly in his Base and Super Saiyan forms before turning into Blue halfway throughout the fight thus lessening ki consumption from the transformation allowing him to stay fused for a longer duration.
This puts him above vegito in power then because Broly is stronger than both Goku and Vegeta at blue and Zamasu got rocked by Kaioken 20x Goku and Vegito seemed to be equal to Zamasu and he used Ssjb and what did gogeta use ssj there is a massive multiplier between these forms so if were going by that logic Gogeta > Vegito
@@tanjirokamado9746 Actually, Vegito is stronger than Zamasu. He just couldn't kill him because he's immortal. But he did manage to weaken Zamasu significantly enough for Trunks to finish him off. Goku and Vegeta have gotten a lot stronger since then, so it's possible that Vegito and Gogeta are now equal in strength.
@@tanjirokamado9746Even by your logic, Broly never fought a SSjBxKaiokenx20 Goku, so you have no real comparison. Here's what damaged fused Zamasu: Goku SSjB basic Kamehameha Trunks Spirit Bomb Sword absorbed from a dead planet of 5 people Xeno It wasn't SSjB Kaiokenx20, or Father -Son Galick Gun, or Final Kamehameha or anything logical, so again, there's nothing to salvage from the Zamasu fights other than establishing the time limit for Potara, in which case it does so extremely vaguely. Manga it is 40 minutes, Anime is 5.
With all due respect Geekdom, I feel the criticisms toward Death Battle come off as weird. They aren't judging the characters based on which time period they appear with as you suggest, but a hypothetical scenario where both characters are at their strongest. Heck, their conclusion was based on Vegetto lasting longer than Gogeta, with both being identical in power but Vegetto not needing the fusees to lower their power level in order to fuse.
Agreed, felt like the hate towards Death Battle was because of a misunderstanding with what the DB was going for. In the first 2 minutes of the video they lay it out pretty clearly what they are going for with the characters.
@@shadowstrike07 if this is some old dislike towards them, I would understand it, but their video was mostly fine. One thing that threw me off guard was them thinking destroying the earrings stop the fusión, but ultimately that was irrelevant to the conclusión.
Yeah, Geekdom took his hate of DB too far this time, not even realizing the DB crew used the same evidence and came to the same conclusions as he did, making this video entirely redundant and coming across as spite.
was waiting for this video but honestly I am unsure if you watched deathbattle or just made a quick video in reaction to seeing the thumbnail because you both came up with the same conclusion for the same reasons lol sure they didnt go into exact details and also talked about the games and stuff, but they said most of what you said here
Man Geekdom. Bruh. I love your vids. In depth discussions of my favorite anime. Love the channel. Love the format. Keep it up man, and looking forward to what you’ll be bringing for 2023!
I always looked at it like this: A. Gogeta--a fusion that leans more towards the characteristics and affinities that Goku has. Greater stamina, greater physical strength, tenacious, natural instinct for fighting. Basically a souped up version of Goku but with Vegeta personality sprinkled in. B. Vegito--a fusion that leans more towards the characteristics and affinities of Vegeta. Greater ki control, a cunning and calculating mind, a fighter who likes to exploit weaknesses in psychological warfare, naturally high energy. Basically Vegeta if he were super charged and with a little bit of Goku. The way I see it, there's a reason why each fusion chooses the names and fighting styles… And that's because they both have completely different personalities and affinities.
Statement from Shonen Jump: Popular Characters from DB world are added to the "canon" by Akira Toriyama-sensei's hand!!! If "Vegetto"is born from the Potora, then Fusion gives birth to "Gogeta"!! Two equally-matched ultimate trump cards!!
so you admit Vegito has a longer time limit, then you head cannon that they share their abilities with no sources evidence, and you admit Gogeta needs both parties to be equal in power while Vegito doesn't hilarious that you mock death battle but come to the same verdict by the same means so i guess you are equally as terrible as they are
I like how even though he said don’t trust death battle they both had the same result. Vegito won crazy, almost like geekdom didn’t watch the most recent episode. Death battle changed from what they do in the past for the better.
Honestly I would love Death Battle if they knew how to write battles without making the cringiest dialogue known to man or make them so flanderized, you can't even recognize them.
Same day as the death battle, that’s some good timing. I honestly think Vegito would win just because potara was stated to be a stronger form of fusion and the fact that you have to have the same power level for metamoran fusion to work. They have the same skills but Vegito just has a little more power. It would definitely be a super close battle.
Same power level to fuse, but doesn't lower it as the fused being. That's why Goten and Trunks realized they could fuse in base and just transform later. It didn't matter.
@@JustinSparfven Also gogetas power was never nerfed when Goku and Vegeta were severely beaten in Broly and Fusion reborn. Lacking stamina and being battle worn never affected Gotenks power either.
I’m assuming that the reason why the time limit happened for the potara is that if we try to piece the recent one retcon to the past, it’s possible that the elder Kai was correct, at least in his view, but since the potara earrings was only used by the gods, he had no idea on whether or not it would be applied for mortals too and assumed it would. This is kind of my head canon, but it’s one that kind of makes sense, if you were a god and had something that is applicable for gods, you wouldn’t have any idea on whether if it would work for mortals, and if the permanent thing (or whatever you can think of) would also be applicable for them.
Yeah to add to your point about them sharing techniques, we have to remember ki is a very malleable energy. Yes, you can practise the same form for many years to optimize it perfectly, but you can also shape it to your situation. Neither of the fusees existed, and therefore ever had a thought, prior to their initial fusions. Which means, Gogeta thought of stardust breaker, a technique which eradicates all evil, on the spot, because he was fighting a being which was almost entirely (except for the kid) comprised of evil energy. Vegito came up with the spirit sword on the spot to slice and dice Buu's body.
It might also just come down to preference between the 2 as well. If there really is a slight edge of vegeta in Vegetio and Goku in Gogeta, then despite knowing and even having the memories of being the other fusion, they might just be more comfortable using a technique they thought of as that particular fusion unless the situation calls for it. Like I bet stardust breaker would probably hurt fused Zamasu more than the ki blade, but instinctively went for what’s familiar to him in that quick instant.
Honestly speaking I agree 100% with your facts but I feel in the end.. that Vegito is stronger because one has to lower their power? I feel it's kind of wrong because all of Super or atleast most of it. GOKU and VEGETA have been equal in power. Even in Broly even in ToP end and even in Manga rn. Soo it all depends on the plot But if head to head GB vs VB happens, it's GB which will take the W if GB manages to finish vegito within 30 mins
The debate was probably one of the most frustrating. Been a long time since I last checked but old Kia stated that the ear rings were 'better'. However a lot of people held on to this as the deal breaker making the fusion stronger. However better doesn't mean stronger. He could have been better due to the fact it didn't run out and a dance wasn't necessary. There was never really a solid statement that suggested it was stronger and they avoided that question like the plague
2 things I find no one ever talks which should be talked more is 1) The metamorrian fusion, when it comes to equal power levels! As my understanding for it to work you need perfect synchronization, where does the rest of the more powerful person power go because if you’re fusing two being I don’t think it would just wipe out that persons power. 2) When Gogeta officially appears he says it’s the combined power of Goku and Vegeta and then some, hinting that there is possibly more to the fusion that we don’t know about
Not sure why you decided to hate on Death Battle even though they arrived to the same conclusion tho Anyways, back in DBZ Potara was presented as a better option because it's immediate and permanent. The fusees simply had to put the earrings on and BAM it's done. Besides, you didn't have to worry about defusing mid battle (or so we thought). In the OG manga many things are left up for interpretation, because the Elder Kai only said his fusion method would be more efficient, no direct mention about raw power. Many other sources show both give essentially the same increase: the Super Exciting Guide with all the multipliers, Vados talking about Kefla, the GT Perfect Files on SSJ4 Gogeta, etc. The rival boost applies for Gogeta as well because it's Goku and Vegeta put together too, like Vegito. And considering the official promo info that came out in 2018 confirming both are equals, the fight would probably end up in a tie
Death Battle literally made all the same points in Vegito's favor that Geekdom did. The only Dragon Ball Death Battle that I take issue with is Beerus vs. Sailor Galaxia, where they gave Beerus UI, but still concluded that a Sailor Moon villain was stronger and faster than a Universal deity from Dragon Ball. The research and logic leaps on that one were a mess.
goku and vegeta max forms are pretty relative rn so the gogeta power level thing won’t matter. gogetas personally is also way more ruthless so i’d bet on gogeta
Why was there Death Battle hate in this video? Both this video and the death battle had the same conclusion and on top of that it was for pretty much the same reasons. Can't really say "Stay away from Death Battle because you know" when you didn't really give a reason to stay away. If anything you're just giving more of a reason to watch death battle since You are one of the biggest Dragon Ball guys on this platform so anything you say involving the series has some weight to it and you matching Death Battle's points just strengthens their video.
I never understood these major DB haters. They often cite things like inaccuracy and whatnot. And to that I say: so what? It's not JUST about the numbers. It's also about educating viewers on things they might not know about these characters, creating interesting and fun fights, and just celebrating the total potential of these characters.
@Mr. Hazama (Yuki Terumi) I think that depends on your mindset going in. Having dealt a lot with VS. Debates before, I know that some things are just impossible to argue, and some things are absolutely clear cut. But like the DB crew themselves have said, these fights are, above all else, a celebration of the characters they portray. I can step back and take it as it was intended, seeing the effort put in to depicting the combatants, especially ones I likely wouldn't have looked into of my own volition.
@mr.hazamayukiterumi The meteor feat for Akuma you're using was out of context. Assuming you're talking about Jin vs. Ryu they brought up the meteor Jack destroyed and stated that it wasn't canon and if they had included it ( meaning they didn't) they would have had to include the other meteor example as well.
@@GunlessSnake This is a proof by example fallacy. Bias or lack of bias can only really be demonstrated more directly, and there definitely seems to be bias in how they interpret evidence. For example, after Hulk vs Broly they changed the way they scale Dragon Ball to suddenly not accepting that Goku absorbed SSG during his fight with Beerus, when in the anime that's crystal clear. They don't accept it because they feel the evidence isn't strong enough. And to be clear they composite anime and manga Goku so the anime should be valid here. When it comes to JoJo though, they scale all the part 1 and 2 characters to part 3 Dio's wanked speed feat, so all the part 1 and 2 characters that scale more or less to Jonathan are 1500x FTL. If you've actually watched the first 2 parts of JoJo you'd know this is bullshit and a half. Things like guns are able to tag the Pillar Men. The Red Stone of Aja slowly falling off a cliff was a big deal. 1500x FTL Joseph used a shitty cargo plane to escape from 1500x FTL Ultimate Kars. Goku absorbing SSG is canon to the anime and irrefutable. It's right there in the dialogue and shown in the feats. 1500x FTL or even just light speed JoJo completely breaks nearly every scene in Battle Tendency and has no feats or statements to back it up. Death Battle accepts one of those but not the other, and it's not the more reasonable one they accept. You'd have to have the reasoning of a child to not see the way they interpret evidence is not equal and "muh win rate" will never change that. And personally, I would rather Dragon Ball lose every fight but have both fighters scaled reasonably than have the fighters scaled poorly but Dragon Ball wins all the time.
So don't listen to Death battle but you come to same the same conclusion the same way? The battle was fine, honestly it was a good animation and I really didn't care which one won in the end, you could argue for either. The only other thing I want to add is that the rival boost seemed, to me, to mean that they knew each other and each other's moves as well as they did themselves. So no adjustment period. If Goku fused with, say Piccolo he might not know how he fights and how his beam attacks work. But Goku and Vegeta know each inside and out so the new being created already knows his power and limits as soon as he's created. Whereas Picoku may not have known if he could regenerate or not or how much he could or even how to do it.
So... this is the same result as DB but longer and with the start saying that you don't trust them and the description saying that it will "debunk" the DB?
Bro… you slammed on Death Battle (again) and yet, you completely agreed with the outcome of the battle (again). Honestly, do you just made the video to try to boost your views, fueled by the hatred your audience has against DB? I know your audience hate them, and it has everything to do with the fact they concluded twice that Goku would lose to Superman. But that’s besides the point. You said that Vegeto would win because of a very slight advantage that it’s the sum of the two beings, vs the two having to equal their power. That’s the same conclusion DB came up with. And how patronizing to say someone, or in this case, a team of people, who did the same thing you did, came up with the wrong conclusion? You yourself made a massive assumption in this video, and something that was NEVER confirmed in ANY official media. You said that both would be able to do the same techniques. No where does it say that. For all we know, they’re a new being. And you said that in the beginning of the video as well. You said they’re a new being, a new body. In short, if others make assumptions, or calculations, they’re wrong. If YOU do it, it’s spot on? There’s no DBZ college. We all love this series, and can do whatever observations we want. Anything that’s not stated in official media is all speculation anyway. It’s for fun. It’s what you do. Stop slamming others for doing the same. It’s hypocritical. And this isn’t the first time this happened. You did the exact same thing for Goku v Superman. Slammed DB but came to their same conclusion at the end of the video. Just some things to think about.
Well said man, I agree with what you are saying. Geekdom tries to use the Dragon Ball fandom’s unreasonable hatred for Death Battle to gain views, but he literally reached the same conclusions as them
I have a few questions that nobody has been able to answer convincingly. If Goku and Vegeta do the fusion dance and become Gogeta and then Gogeta puts on the Potara earrings, what would happen when the fusion time was up? Would Gogeta split into Goku and Vegeta or would he automatically turn into Vegitto? And if he did split up, would they merge into Vegitto or would they need to wait? Same with Vegitto, when he defused, could Goku and Vegeta do the fusion dance right away? If they could switch back and forth between fusions, that'd make them really OP.
Ok ok. Hear me out. I want to take your premise but expanded. If Goku and Vegeta fusion dance into Gogeta and then Gogeta puts on Potaras with Gotenks. And then and then Gogenks puts on Potaras with a Kai. Surely that makes it permanent right? Sure the final form would be weakened some from the less powerful Kai but could anything take on God Gogenkai?
But on second thought 🤔... If Potara is like Majin Buus absorption them Gotenks did defuse inside Buu... But then again in that case Buu and Gotenks really didn't become one. It was like he was inside separately. So I'd still say the stacked fusion Potara to Kai would be permanent.
@@Morrowind4732 I’d say you’d get something like what happened with Zamasu originally, though not as extreme since it’s defusion and not one dying. More like in the manga where we see this melting half rose Goku black and half Zamasu. Breaking apart, but can’t be separated fully. It’d probably happen instantly too considering the sheer amount of power going on there.
Iirc, there is actually a cool down period for fusions post defusion. I believe it’s 2 hours. Not sure. Nor am I sure if this applies to both types, or if both types have the same cool down time.
@@naisagathefirstdestronmand8559 but what if they're different fusions? Can they go from Gogeta defusing straight to Goku and Vegeta fusing into Vegitto? That's my main question.
In 1995: "Vegeto's fusion lasts infinitely, and has a slighly higher PL." In 2023: "Vegeto's fusion should last longer, and has a slighly higher PL." Now that the potara fusion has been nerfed, and the precise time-limit is debatable, the best argument into account is how these two forms handle their bases' PL. Finger-fusion requires the stronger fighter to lower their PL to match the weaker. Potara fusion doesn't. And since Goku is usually slightly stronger than Vegeta, Vegeto should usually be slightly stronger than Gogeta. This, of course, varies with the situation. EDIT Basically Geekdom said all this in a longer and more detialed fashion. But for this reason, bashing on DeathBattle this time is just bad. They reached to the same conclusion after all. When we need to joke about them, we do, but when they get things right doing so is just a poor behaviour.
Tell me you didn’t watch DB video without telling me…I get that you are an expert of some sorts when it comes to Dragon Ball, but if you are gonna drop a video trying to discredit another content creator, then at the least know their subject matter. They pretty much used the same evidence, sources, and deductions to give the same ending result as you just did. And they actually made their video tastefully entertaining so You might be out of pocket here throwing shade dude. I’m not hating here but just pointing out an observation.
Well vegito atleast in the videogames fights way more I don't wanna say cocky but he literally kicks u while sitting on air with his hands folded...I love his fighting styles it's like he's knows u can't fuk with him nd he jus toys with u...definitely more vegeta like
I’ve always just avoided the whole debate by saying this: Both are equal in power, but are better suited for certain situations. Gogeta seems more serious and performs better in straight up fights. His moves seem to hit harder and has more physical strength then Vegito. He also takes fights more serious then Vegito does, and finds more success because he rarely loses his composure and is always more on guard. Vegito is a more clever fighter. Where Gogeta is superior in brawn, Vegito is superior in brains. His playful and condescending attitude angers his enemies to make them more brash and give him more openings and opportunities to win. He isn’t as powerful in direct combat compared to Gogeta, but he uses mind games to his advantage.
It's funny that you rag on Death Battle and say they never do their research but your conclusions here are basically identical to theirs for basically the exact same reasons. Namely, that it could probably go either way but more often than not Vegito wins with a VERY slight edge because 1: The people fusing don't have to match in power to fuse which may result in a very slightly stronger fighter 2: Vegito's time limit is inherently longer so the longer the fight on the more it tips in Vegito's favor. This is their exact conclusion as well. I did think your analysis of the efficiency model regarding Metamoran fusion was cool though.
Well TBH, I don't know the backstory behind all the translations and stuff like you do, I also don't study Dragon Ball professionally like you do, but based off the kanzenshuu, daizenshuu, which I remember Toriyama stated that kanzenshuu knew 'more' about DBZ than him, as well as multiple scales and feats in the anime dub and sub, I feel like Vegito being leagues above Buuhan does make sense from a power-scaling standpoint, because while Buuhan was universal+ (Trying to destroy the dragon ball universe, possibly macrocosm), Goku and Vegeta were still relative to Super Buu who could tear open time and space with just screaming which is a 4th dimensional feat. Goku and Vegeta were also much much more powerful than Youth Gohan who is confirmed to be Solar System level in the Cell saga. So even if you low-ball, Super Saiyan 3 Goku should be at least in the league of Kid Buu who was destroying galaxies over time and was a threat to the entire universe, and was even destroying the kai world. SSJ3 should at LEAST be around galaxy level if he's competing with a guy who could destroy the entire universe, implying all 4 universe-sized realms since he could visit the afterlife. Galaxy X Solar System+ probably would equal something relative to Vegito's strength. I believe Gotenks could do super saiyan 3 because fusion also combines the minds of the fusees. Goten and Trunks are already mega-prodigies, but fusing their (subconscious) intellects together would be unfair. Vegito is much smarter than Goku and Vegeta, I say this because there's actually a scene where Vegito blasts Buuhan, and points his face downwards while holding him by the first half of his head banana, POINTING him to the direction of the other half of his banana, so that Buuhan had a higher chance of coming up with the idea of absorbing Vegito due to Vegito's own influence. He was able to outsmart a being who has been fighting super high-tier Gods for most of the time in the universe, who had also absorbed (probably) the 2 smartest Z-Fighters, Piccolo and Gohan, AND Goten and Trunks, who are super-ultra prodigies.
You really just made a dig at Death Battle, saying they don't do their homework? When they LITERALLY do the homework and show all their research in the videos? Just seems like someone's salty about the way the video ended.
I like your explanation, Geekdom! I'm curious as to why you had an issue with Death Battle doing the bout between them when y'all basically came to the same conclusion, even though you clearly had more in-depth research. Keep up the good work!
Because even a broken clock is right twice a day; This doesn't excuse death battle's poor scaling and less than optimal work for other videos of theirs. Geekdom (Danny) however, is a big guy in the DB community whose conclusion is dramatically more trustworthy than Wiz and Bommsticks's in this case.
@@ultrabidoof I haven't watched the video just reading mostly I wouldn't care about what he to say on the matter, not to disrespect geekdom he honestly one of my go to for dragon ball content. It just something like death battle I think honestly people mostly care the entertainment they can besides look up classic man d thoughts on death battle a whole. He have a love hate relationship he mostly watch for the entertainment. Plus with geekdom I probably not watching entirely, I have ADHD my attention span is not existent. I just listening to someone just telling me information most of the time. With death battle there things that keep my attention almost completely even on multiple rewatch. It no like I agree with every results. We need to get Ben 10 run back. I just why someone like me who is 19 capable of knowing biases and doing my research and know not take everything from death battle because I just want to see how the match up play out. Plus how the characters interaction and the awesome soundtrack
@@kamenriderravager7667 Thank you for being a reasonable person? Anyways even though Ben 10 vs green lantern is cool (besides their shit explanation why GL won he should but damn they fumbled the ducking ball) a lot of people would wanna see Ben fight Jaden Yuki from Yu-gi-oh or well that’s the one I’ve seen the most
@@Bartre_God thanks, but I ended up making a rant comment. Though I still say that I respect geekdom and his content I wish a merry Christmas and happy holidays for him. I just leaving link to classic man d video about thoughts on death battle as whole because it perfectly capture my thoughts.
>Throws shade at Death Battle >Both came to the same conclusion You guys need to understand that DB's research have moved from the Goku vs Superman days. Their video was fine and that shade was just spiteful and unnecessary.
@@GermanKinsmen It's research and logic that he is disagreeing with, not the outcome. Death battle has a habit of leaving out information when it suits them and skewing the outcome to whatever will get the biggest reaction. They are not a viable source for these topics.
@@Darthpsychonis What about their research was lacking in this Death Battle? They discussed everything that was discussed here, and reached the same conclusion. "Don't listen to Death Battle, they're not reliable"*posts an identical discussion*
I've heard that their reason for gogeta winning the fight is that gogeta never underestimates his opponents. I always thought this was stupid because this means they clearly didn't pay attention to the buu fight. Vegeto's goal was to GET absorbed so he could save everyone. And 2nd even if that was the case, they assumed that Vegeto wouldn't take Gogeta seriously. 🙄😒
Wait vegito won the death battle. I literally watch the video unlike geekdom here,hell I saw it when it premiere, literally live. The last minute of the fight have gogeta need to finished it because he running out of time so he go for the stardust breaker while vegito charge up a Kamehameha. The stardust breaker going through the beam and hit vegito but didn't do squats. So gogeta struggle in the blast decided to power through and try to the use the dragon fist , he about to collide with vegito it intense as hell until a last sec vegito use the kaioken and the beam engulfed gogeta. The camera cuts to blood spatter on the floor we see vegito bruised up,then the camera cut to gogeta as a Statue like Vegeta was after his final explosion smiling, vegito fist bump the Statue and the ashes scattered to the wind. An amazing fight for both involved. Also the personalities argument they throw that out, literally in the fight gogeta use a gag Kamehameha in the fight. Both parties wasn't not taking one side seriously. Literally watch the episode
Erenxj You can’t just assume what’s gonna happen because that’s just your Opinion and your Opinion means nothing. You just gotta Face the Facts that Vegito is Stronger.
The magic thing never made sense because Goten and Trunks were still fused inside of Buu for the entire 30 minutes. If being inside him defused vegito then it should have defused gotenks as well.
@@TrashyJayys yea that, but to me the sayians from the 2 universes power levels are different so maybe kefla powering up was even killing the time I don't think she would of last with the fusion,
I think fans of the Death Battle series and Dragonball must demand they have a rematch done between the two fusions but said video must include Geekdom101 via collaboration.
This entire video is pointless, I was expecting, especially since you made it very clear that you hate Death Battle, that you were gonna find arguments to prove how Gogeta would win, but here I am watching a whole video that literally agrees with Death Battle’s decision in the fight, and you’re saying to “stay away from them” like ??? I just watched one of your other vids and really liked it, and I may find other content on here that I enjoy but what was the point of misleading viewers just to say “I hate Death Battle but I fully agree with the outcome of the Gogeta vs Vegito fight stay away from their content”
I always thought vegito was more vegeta focused while gogeta is more goku focused personality wise Edit: I also think of fusion like building something. Say you have 2 blocks of wood that can each hold 5lbs. Together they might hold 15lbs. What is holding them together is glue. The Potara is a tighter glue, but more restrictive, so it lasts longer, but maybe they cap at 15 the whole time. The metamoran is weaker glue but more flexible. They might be able to put out 18-20lbs, but will fall apart much faster.
I'm a bit confused, isn't the power handicap of the Metamor Fusion Dance what it was said to give the final win to Vegetto over Gogeta? I remember they said more or less the same things.
And never once did we see a fusions power be based on the state of the fuses. Gotenks was at the same power when goten and trunks fused fresh vs worn out. Gogeta in both fusion reborn and broly was at 100% despite both Goku and Vegeta being beat down and weaker. Gotten and Trunks found out fusing at ssj did not produce a stronger fusion then at base. Fusion no matter the method takes into account both parties max power. Even when Kale and Caulifla fused when both had not been at 100% made a fusion that was, it still took both their max powers despite not being able to be at those levels. Let me put it this way. If equalizing power levels for Gogeta makes him weaker, then not powering up to 100% for vegito does the same. But everytime we see potara used the user are not powering up to fuse they are at there base with no aura or any indication that they are at their max. But again that's not the case, even when Goku and Vegeta are not maxing there selves out when putting the potara on to fight Buu or Zamasu, vegito is still at the same power regardless. I know fusion has not set multiplayer but I'll just multiply them together just for arguments sake. Say Goku's max is 100 and same for Vegeta. If they fused with potara but stay at a level of 10, it's not going to make a vegito the power of 100, it's still going to be a vegito with the power of 10,000. Being at a lower power level when fusing does not affect the fusion in either method.
If they were both equal in power it just would come down to time limit. If vegito was never nerfed with his time limit then it would be no contest now I think it's an hour but so far it looks like they can't stay fused in either form full power for more than fifteen minutes or so so it's tough to say
10:19 it should also be noted potara is 2 people in the same body. They keep their memories and experiences after defusing but the fusion dance creates a whole new person with new memories and persona and they don’t remember after separation.
Sorry but I humbly disagree. The Fusion dance requires both participants to have the same power level at the beginning as a prerequisite to sync their bodies. Theres no info that states or suggest that its a detriment to the fusion itself. By having their Ki's in perfect sync the fused fighter can squeeze more power our their bodies than they would if using the Potara. Secondly, the potara is a force fusion meaning that there's no prerequisite to obtain it just slap on the earrings. As suggested, the Potara only meant for Gods to use!..meaning if either fighter is not a deity , then you are not getting the maximum effect out of the fusion no matter how strong the fused fighters are. Therefore the earrings themselves are holding the fusion back from reaching their full power. The only set back to the fusion dance is a time limit not maximum power output. While the Potara true setback is if one of the fighters is a deity or not (which if not) will hinder the fusion from ever reaching they maximum output. So in conclusion the fusion dance is more powerful than the potara.
Ooh a deathbattle diss? Grabs popcorn Edit: Oh, you basically just gave the same answer as them but just explained it longer. Why even pretend like they got this wrong when you show they clearly didnt
In the original potara isnt stronger in power but was interpreted as more effective because they thought it did not have a time limit making it much more useful compared to fusion dance
For both fusion to coexist and make sense is only one way: Vegito is the most powerful and brutal BUT can’t be performed that easily since it requires the availability of a dedicated object so is not too practical and has the risk to make the fusion a permanent state. Gogeta is less powerful BUT is way more practical and can be performed without depending on third party variables like an object or a god, it only needs the knowledge to make the right dance and the 2 individuals, nothing else. Is shorter too but gets the job done as the last resource in your own hands without depending on other individuals. Also Potara lets literally fusion or combine power levels of both host whereas Gogeta needs both of them to stabilize their power hence limiting the potential of the ultimate warrior which was conceived by Akira Toriyama himself to be Vegito. Conclusion, Vegito is stronger but is complicated to get the potara therefore makes it less reliable or practical in critical situations, relies too much on specific conditions to be born and has the risk to be permanent, Gogeta is less powerful but can be performed at any time and the fusion is quite short making ot way more practical if done right.
so you are saying that beathbattle is wrong but you are also saying that vegito is stronger for the same reasons that deathbattle said that vegito would win?
Yeah I'm confused as well he's just mad ar death battle doing something. They are judt humans doing these and I'm judt glad that they are giving recognition to series I love
I believe both fusions have their purposes and would just leave it at that. It's childish in my eyes that people champion a specific fusion when, in reality, anybody that comes across these two is definitely in for a beat down REGARDLESS. I just think the battles that their respective counterparts are used in is what makes people determine which is actually stronger.
To be honest I think they’re just the same character the only difference is that they’re just different fusions and it doesn’t matter who would beat who and who would beat a major villain I’m pretty sure that gogeta would beat buuhan and vegito would destroy janemba And I actually do like the 2018 guide when super Broly came out that they were both the ultimate Trump cards it makes sense
Vegito needs to be a million times stronger than Gogeta if Blue makes Vegito defuse in 2 seconds but has NO effect on Gogeta. Gogeta Blue should be as impossible as Ultra Vegito, that's all I'm saying
The potara earrings are dope because it was forever and it brought mystique of how they’ll get out of it and split back. Dropping it from FOREVER to a 1 hr time wild lol its funny how Goku and vegata are considered human but literally are from an alien race who turned into apes 😅.
I don’t understand why people are forgetting the Shonen jump Kanzenchuu about the time the broly movie came out. It was clearly stated that the fusion dance is a much more complete dance and gogeta draws powers much more than vegito. It also stated that in a gogeta will win every time until the 30 mins are up. So it’s clear that gogeta is stronger. If you are fighting a powerful being gogeta will be the perfect fusion to defeat the enemy. I respect what geekdom said about vegito being stronger but when you think about it logically gogeta should be stronger because the fusion dance requires balance between the two which mean the fusion is a much more balanced fusion which makes sense that they are able to draw out more power effectively than vegito. Awesome video by the way
I think vegito has the edge not only because potara is more convenient, , pop on the earrings and boom its done vs with the dance… you have to be similar sizes, and have similar power levels. I mean trunks had to lower his power to match goten. With potara its not only easier but you dont lower your power, you can fuse with anyone no issues.
The way I see it is that Death Battle is fine for entertainment purposes but you should never take them at face value if you actually want to know who would win the fights they set up
Not everyone who uses potara get a big boost. Kefla in manga did not grow any stronger then Kale. And Elder Kai is obviously weaker then his non fused self. Anime wise even Goku said fusion with dende would weaken him, and Fusion with Hercule would do nothing. Look at Goku and Vegeta in fusion reborn. If lowering ones power ment a weaker fusion then the gogeta in that movie should be half ass dead, but he's at full throttle. Gotten and Trunks learned that fusing in base vs Ssj produced the same Gotenks. So no, lowering ones power does not affect the fusions power. They could lower there ki down to 1 and still produce the same fusion. Fusion has never shown to be weakened because one of the two fighters is beaten down. The only time that was ever mentioned was with vegito vs Zamasu. But even this is shown to be bullshit with Kefla later on not having her power weakened because the two were not at 100%.
I wrote this on Death Battles channel after watching the video they made, because it didnt make sense...This actually Doesnt make sense, Death Battle Explain to Me ? Why would u make Gogeta go ss4 when it isn't CANNON? I GOOGLED IT to, it's not Cannon Think About IT, Gogeta has been seen putting more power output than vegito, and even Gogeta never Defused after using Star DuskBreaker And The Kamahameha AND The Other moves he Used against broly at the end in Broly Movie 2019.. and even stopped frieza afterwards and was willing to fight Golden Frieza after beating Broly. Gogeta does have a personality based on the episodes .. he is more serious and has seen more screen time of getting the Job Done. To say vegito had a larger time limit is irrelevant because vegito has never fought someone as strong as Gogeta, to draw out his power, but Merged Zamasu is not as Strong As Gogeta so why in the actual Anime, Vegito Defuses against a merged Zamasu Which! Is weaker than a Full Power Gogeta, Go on RUclips And Type Merged Zamasu Vs Vegito go to 5:50 Seconds, the fight lasts 5 minutes and Elder Kai Said They had 1 hour but their massive power Output Drained the Fusion, So imagine Vegito is fighting Gogeta Now, an Even Stronger Foe, but yet u make vegito last longer in your Video and even Stack Kaioken, also the Feat Vegito did against buuhan when he got turned into candy, gogeta could also do, remember they are the same people.. in the movie Broly it's Stated by them, that (they aren't just fused together but their power is also significantly magnified. Not only that Gogeta would never turn SS4 against Vegito, because it's not CANNON and also even if it was, gogeta wouldn't do it given how serious he was when he needed to take down broly and Janempa. Gogeta knew he was a threat to the universe, so he knew he had to get serious. It baffles me, How You Death Battle No Disrespect to you and your Team, but you use episodes that aren't CANNON, Also when vegito used kaioken and a Kamehameha and didn't defuse, in Your Animation but yet He used a Final Kamehameha against Merged Zamasu and Defused, in the REAL ANIME. Vegito has been known to play around with his opponent, even more than gogeta, given how the Buuhan fight played out. And how much he was toying with him, I understand vegito wanted to get Eaten by Buuhan to Save Gohan and Krillin and Chichi but still he spent all that time messing around. I disagree with this Death Battle not from my Opinion, but FROM FACTS. I'm not biased either, my cousin wanted to watch this with me, and me a big dragon Ball Fan and Dragon ball Z, and Dragon Ball Super fan, I want you to give the Exact Facts and The Exact Outcome, EVEN IF the Video, turns out to be 1hour Long, to get it Right.. for the sake of your Fans and The Sake of The Honor In your Video. There was So many Facts and References You Did Not Name, Me being A college student and Studying Dragon ball while on my breaks, and being a big Fan of you guys, you guys have let me down with this, analysis.
Wait so you start off saying death battle doesn’t do their research but then arrive at the exact same conclusions with the exact same reasoning. Did you even watch their video?
I don’t even know what the debate is, it’s LITERALLY stated the potara earrings are a better fusion IN Z. Even logically to fuse with the dance someone has to lower their power level to match their partner while the potara doesn’t do it. So you’re multiplying a higher number by default
@@czar17_28 the fusions we’re talking about is Gogeta vs Vegito, made from the same characters the only difference being the methods used, And one starts Gogeta at a lower power level than Vegito by default
Okay funny ass story, Im watching pocketphilex video about every Goku transformation… I got curious about the difference between Gogeta & Vegito so I naturally started searching… the first video was Death Battle Gogeta Vs Vegito and I instantly scrolled passed it because it wasn’t what I wanted firstly and secondly I knew it was some kinda fan art, not the most reliable source of what’s closer to canon facts.. I saw this video and decided to give it a click and I’m happy I did. You taught me that the finger fusion is Gogeta and the God earring fusion is Vegito. Dope content !
I always thought the rival comment meant that they know each others fighting styles , technique and personality so they can adapt to each other faster , Personally I prefer Gogeta, design wise , but it doesnt help that they always break Vegito out half way in a battle , but Gogeta is usually used to finish the fight
Many people claim that Gogeta and Vegito are equals in power, especially since both fusion methods have the fused warrior's power multiplied. However, power's not the only factor and, when going by combative feats, Vegito's the one who's portrayed as being a more highly intelligent fighter than that of Gogeta. There is also the matter of THE KEY to winning in battle, and the most important thing [as stated by Akira Toriyama] revoles around the size of a fighter's ki, as well as their control over it, in which the concepts of it revolve around energy, courage, and right-mindedness. Physical strength has limits that can only be overcome by ki, which basically explains how Goku is able to approach the mightiest warriors in the entire Universe, let alone all the other Universes. Along with official guidebooks putting Potara Fusion as it being superior to the Fusion Dance, Vegito in the manga when he fights Zamasu does practically the same thing he did to him in the anime, which primarily revolves around Vegito continuously whittling down Merged Zamasu's mind, body, and spirit, which goes back to the concept of ki in Dragon Ball. The manga even portrays Vegito as him being significantly superior to Zamasu [as he should be] since he can blow him in half without blue. Literally the only reason as to why Vegito technically LOST against Zamasu is because of the unexpected time limit. Ultimately, when considering the IQ feats themselves, there's a clear cut victor. Regarding the misconceptions that'd more-or-less portray Gogeta as being the STRONGER fusion out of both him and Vegito, as well as a big misinterpretation on a specific magazine: 8:19 There's specific versions of Vegito and Gogeta being used here [Buu Saga Vegito | Fusion-Reborn Gogeta]. It's to be noted that the stories from the movies are literally "stories in a different dimension from the main story of the comic", as stated by Akira Toriyama. In other words, separate community, different realm of power. This is more-or-less a comment on Fusion Reborn Gogeta being stronger than Buu Saga Vegito, with Buu Saga Vegito only winning "if the battle lasted longer", which indicates Gogeta being stronger in power. This is not in reference to Vegito and Gogeta fighting via equal power because the versions of Gogeta and Vegito that are being used in this guidebook are not equal in power. 10:39 To put it simply, both Gogeta and Vegito, as fused warriors, are beyond anything Goku and Vegeta can just throw out individually, and fusion is always like the #1 thing they can use in a fight to finish off any opponent they go up against, especially ones who are significantly stronger than them as individuals. Plus, not only can a fused being tap into transformations that aren't even accessible to non-fused warriors [with Gotenks being a prime example of this via Super Saiyan 3], they're also able to maintain it without any real issue aside from their natural time limits as a fused warriors. The statement you made in 9:00 sums it up, but ONLY to an extent as Vegito is also capable of finishing off opponents quickly, much like how Gogeta is able to. Note that many japanese translators [including Herms] have agreed to this. Ultimately, in reference to the whole "time limit" argument, it's important to note that, much like Vegito [as it was already pointed out in this video in regards to Gogeta], both Vegito and Gogeta have ki attacks and transformations that can greatly reduce the time limit FROM 30mins-1hour TO 10 minutes, so Gogeta having "better balance" is pretty much irrelevant, and it doesn't disregard the energy consumption that comes from ki attacks and transformations. There's no denying that a theoretical battle between Gogeta and Vegito would be close- at least, in my opinion. But, when you go by feats in the anime and manga, as well as official material [dialogue, potara > fusion guidebooks (in which there's multiple of them), concept of ki] then, again, there's a clear cut victor.
The problem is Vegito getting nerfs, in the anime he wasn't too strong against Zamasu and so he unfused because Zamasu is immortal he tanked all his attacks for too long or so it seems. It made Vegito look bad in the end and ofcourse it doesn't even make sense, but in the manga Vegito is slicing and beating him up like it's breakfast and he still unfused which again doesn't make sense. So now we have Gogeta who fought Broly used lots of attacks and in the end never unfused. So now Gogeta fans will say he can't unfuse and Vegito would unfuse, which is clear inconsistency and if that is the case then Vegito loses, even in SDBH they favour Gogeta way more than Vegito for whatever reason. Either way just enjoy the one you like and that's all there is to it
Vegito was stronger than Gogeta at around the Buu Saga because Goku was stronger than Vegeta at the time since he could go Super Saiyan 3. Now that Goku and Vegeta have trained to the point of being equals and unlocking Super Saiyan Blue, both their fusions are now equal.
The truth is Vegito in the original continuity was stronger, but over time the two fusions got retconned in the newer material to be equal.
Pretty much
You still run with Potara being stronger just based on what he said at the end, which everyone seems to forget. Potara doesn’t require both being at the same power level
Gogeta never appeared in the same continuity as Vegito until Broly, so there's no retcon there
Yet Vegeta never stayed fused the full duration and he's never beat anyone
@@Jason5818UI thats plot, not because of power issues
Personally I think simplicity of the potara fusion is what really makes it the better option. Assuming the power levels themselves are even somewhat relative between the two options, the need to learn and perform the dance correctly or risk a failed fusion and all the time wasted waiting to defuse and redo the dance, automatically makes it a much less practical option especially when it's with Goku and Vegeta as the fusing pair.. Where as with the potara you just gotta throw on some earrings and there is zero risk of failure...
Unless you're Gohan, where the "throwing" part kinda was the issue...
Was literally just going to say.
Goku: "Catch!"
Gohan: *doesn't catch*
Hence why elder said it was the more effective fusion and why he said Buu would not wait around and let them dance. He never doubted it's power, only it's method.
Plus a battle worn Goku and Vegeta who are at not even 10% of there max power will produce a Gogeta and Vegito at 100% power despite not having 100% of there power to draw from. So I never understood the whole dance is weaker cuz you have to equalize power levels. We never see Goku and Vegeta powering up fully in base to use potara.
Corrupted merged Zamasu isn't a failed fusion?
Maybe but the time factor makes it bad since the more power you put out the less time you have, if Goku and Vegita get to powerful, then what potara fusion will last 1 sec or can't fuse because potaras can't even handle the power especially considering Supreme kai was so surprise with Goku, Vegita, and Gohans power, I don't think these earings are that powerful.
I literally seen someone in the chat for the battle say "I can't wait for Geekdom to make a video about this", and HERE WE ARE!!
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The big advantage that I saw in the fusion dance was that you don't have to carry around a delicate piece of jewelery. Vegeta crushed it like a peanut when they defused inside Buu
Well I mean he used all his strength..
And with the fusion dance if you mess up one tiny detail you become fat.
@@JRLSpiderman or skinny which is worse considering at least fat Gogeta and gotenks could tank a couple of attacks. It's a unique set of tradeoffs
The only time they were broken in a fight is when UI goku overpowered kefla, the earnings are protected by the user's ki, just like their body and clothes, even trying to say that the earrings are "delicate" in a fight is a massive reach, as gokus ki blast was way stronger than kefla anyway, so does it really matter that they broke? No.
@@JRLSpiderman your right an thats why Supreme Kai said potara is better than the dance not because it makes you stronger they are both equal in strength.
Potara= more power equals less time fused not good if you can't kill him in time, just like Zamasu arc prooved.
Metamorans Fusion= more power no problem which Broly movie prooved.
Before you say Gotenks had a time limit when he put to much power thats because of SSJ3 which drains life force, in Gotenks case time.
The thing is though, when Old Kai says Potara is better, he says this after he tells them Boo won't just let them fuse. The very fact that you can fuse with anyone by snapping earnings on automatically makes Potara a better fusion method. You don't have to balance you ki or be of similar size. Old Kak was shown to be wrong about multiple things with the potara, and even in Z he didn't know why Goku and Vegeta defused, so I think him saying it's better is a combo of him tooting his own horn and referring to how the potara doesn't need to have specific poses.
However, the WSJ guide that says Gogeta is a better balance makes sense as well. Potara is supposed to be for the Gods to use, and so it might not balance all the aspects of 2 mortal warriors, but instead just combine them.
The Metamoran dance is designed to make a stronger warrior and because you have to match ki size and body size to fuse, it makes sense for Gogeta to be a better balance.
The other big thing is Gotenks and Kibito Kai.
Gotenks was way superior to Kibito Kai, yet the latter was likely comprised of stronger fusees, and used a stronger fusion.
Imo they are meant to be equal. In BoG when goku says fusion won't be enough for Beerus, I think its talking about either form in general. The most recent guide says they are equally matched trump cards, so I think they are equal.
Do we ever get proper power scaling of Supreme Kai and Kibito, though? They're both constantly surprised by just how strong Goku and Vegeta are. Also Kibito Kai doesn't have access to any transformations, while Gotenks has Super Saiyan 3. Base Gotenks was no match for Fat Buu.
@@Hypershell yeah, we know Shin can kill freeza in an instant.
Goku in the yo son goku and his friends return special says that the boys are a perfect match for freeza.
But you could be right as Kibito is weak. Still they used this supposedly much better fusion and were still fodder. I think ssj gotenks would smash kibito kai
You make a lot of valid points that I never thought of, of course if you want to fuse faster then Potara would be the obvious choice. But if you want balance and easier control you should logically go with the Dance. In my opinion I’ll always think Gogeta is a better fusion even if they are considered to be equal simply cause Gogeta is just much more balanced and the Dance has proven to be equal to and sometimes above the items of the Gods which says a lot. I still like Vegito don’t get me wrong, and he’s just as capable as Gogeta, but imo Gogeta is better even if Vegito is stronger and has a longer time limit
Goten and Trunks are stronger than Kibito and Shin, according to his Daizenshuu Bio Goten was relative to Gohan at the start of the Buu saga, while Shin is stated in guides to be equal to Cell games SSJ Goku, Kibito is weaker than Shin and Trunks is a bit stronger than Goten, later down the arc Goten and Trunks get stronger by training so even tho they fused using a weaker method they were already way stronger than Kibito and Shin, it's only natural Gotenks would be stronger than Kibitoshin
@@Dragonballdave363 in that fight Goten and Trunks were way weaker than during the Buu saga since they were out of shape to the point they forgot basic things about fighting, seeing how Gohan was barely able to keep his power after not training for a few years, it's natural Goten and Trunks would get weaker as well
I hated the idea of Gogeta was better than Vegito because he gets the job done and not play around like Vegito does. Like you said in the video, Gogeta is primarily in movies so he has no choice but to get the job done. Vegito is used as a way to show that fusion can defeat the main villain. Hell in GT, Gogeta toyed with Omega Shenron so that point never made any sense to me.
He toyed with shenron to annoy him to the point that he would draw out his negative energy to transfer his own positive energy into it to dissipate it.
Similar to when vegito toyed with buu to make buu absorb him to save their friends.
Only difference is that gogeta is more efficient and gets the job done.
Gogeta never really lost a fight as far as I know, where vegito never won.
I am biased towards gogeta, but for good reasons
I have evidence that gogeta is better than vegito
Although jaw breaker vegito is unbeatable
@@josephp95 You doubt Gogeta was strong enough to break the negative energy barrier on his own?
@@jelloistasty probably could, but it's plot.
Pretty much everything is plot
Everything has to fit into a story
It was be quite badass if gogeta broke the negative barrier by himself and like I said probably could, but again, story and plot
Story and plot override everything
@@josephp95 To say that he was only playing with shenron *so he would specifically use the negative karma ball* is to assume he couldnt have just broke the barrier on his own without omegas help, which I highly doubt. Plot is everything, but we shouldn't make assumptions about it.
@@jelloistasty what he really did was crush two birds with one stone
Allowing shenron to release negative energy from his body, then turning that negative energy into positive energy to cleanse the earth. Honestly doesn't really matter either way, would end up with the same result
I'd prefer it if each fusion had their own strengths and weaknesses, it makes things more interesting. I'm actually glad that Super did some retconning to make it less one sided.
The only weakness they have is time limit, vegtio is the perfect warrior for a reason if whis were to see vegtio he would have no comments and see no flaws.
The time limit retcon was dumb but I see why they did it.
It's still one-sided lol Potara just isn't permanent anymore.
I honestly had no problem with the retcon too, but then yet again even in the Buu saga when Vegitto unfused, it was never properly explained, only Goku tried to offfer an explanation, and as a kid I never bought Goku's explanation since he just learned of the Potara fusion just hours prior to the fight
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I thought Death Battle handled the fight well, not showing too much favoritism towards one or the other
I may be a Gogeta stan but I wasn't mad about the ending
The DB crew essentially used the same evidence and came to the same conclusions as Geekdom did, except they showed no hate to another production for their entertainment medium.
I was mad surprised at the disrespect he showed towards them. At first I thought it’d be a subtle, vague jab, then he just kept talkin shit.
@GunlessSnake Yeah I expected all this to go towards saying Gogeta would actually win. But the conclusion is the same.... so why the hate lol.
@@plus-delta4477 Death Battle did reference Heroes but to be fair when it came to the actual fight, they stuck to Z, GT and Super material.
Personally I liked DB's video.
@@GunlessSnake And that's a plus for them for once.
The only thing I want to really say in regards to this is the Metamoran fusion to me is just a ritual. So even though one person has to lower their power level to preform the ritual, it does not mean the fusion itself has lost any of the power the person that lowered their level had. Like it’s just something that must be done for the ritual to work. Not that the full power locked within isn’t being used in the end result.
good point
@Geekdom101 doesn't SEG ( Super Exciting Guide ) describes the Fusion Dance as then multiplying the two people's power together? since the latter is weaker, they have to lower their PL to match with theirs, then it's multiplied. pretty sure SEG explains this.
@@justauser8224 ya, it does
@@Asmokedetector aight then that fr contradicts it being apart of the ritual and it’s really both lowered PL multiplied together to be the fusion’s power.
I always had that same head cannon as well, glad to know some one thinks of it like that too
I think it comes down to personal preference, and I prefer Vegito.
Sameee!!!!!
When veg I to starts cooking, you know you're watching a peak fight
So your reason for Vegito likely winning against Gogeta more often than not are the same exact reasons Death Battle gave for why Vegito wins more often than not. Literally the same reasons - no need for Goku and Vegeta to equalize their power levels with Potara fusion, and Vegito has a slightly longer time limit. That consistency is why that result is most likely right.
I wouldn't call it a slightly longer time, it's literally double the time
Vegito has 1 hour gogeta has 30 minutes vegito has a much longer time duration
@@revlismorningstar825 provided he doesnt use to much power.
@@revlismorningstar825 i think yall always forget about the zamasu fight, vegito defused in like 5 minutes even if he was supposed to have an hour of time, while gogeta was going all out and he didn’t defuse
@@Unknown-jw2he yet if he taps into blue he defuses immideately while gogeta can easily go all out without worrying of using too much power
Honestly, I thought the Death Battle guys did pretty good within the parameters they set. And they basically ended up in the same place you did.
Vegito did win the SDBH anniversary anime. But I'm on team Gogeta all the way. You can say that two fighters who balance their ki on their own is better than a fusion that forces two imbalanced forces together because of the importance of balance and self control in eastern martial arts.
@@part-timegamer2712 They said both fusions had the timer issue, but Vegito had an entire hour compared to Gogeta's 30 mins. So in that case, Gogeta would end up defusing first out of the two fusions.
@Part-Time Gamer
Very good points, but it goes to show how inconsistent the canon's logic is. Divine Ki should use the same amounts of Ki in a godlike way: less energy spill (hence being hard to sense) and more concentrated life force, yet it overtaxes the Potara by using "too much energy".
Still, that's consistent with the current canon. At this point in the manga, Vegito wouldn't last over a handful of minutes (heck, maybe even 1 full-power attack) before running out the Potara.
@teekaydee
It doesn't matter
We only use canon.
If non canon can be used.
Then it's inconclusive.
@Part-Time Gamer vegito will always be better than gogeta. I guess you forgot vegito was up against an immortal god that many of vegitos attacks normally should have destroyed him while gogeta was up against a saiyan.
@Part-Time Gamer just like you name tag, you are a part time dbz fan, with those words you're typing
Uhh…nothing you said contradicts what death battle said…
I always liked Vegito's design better and felt like he was stronger than Gogita based off the old continuity.
Well regarding Z, FReborn scales differently
But Vegito smacks overall
Gogeta has never lost or even had a close fight and he only has 30 mins . Janemba was as strong or stronger than buu amd gogeta did wayyy better . Vegito actually has never defeated anyone 😂
@@etherthedragon2273 facts dude be arguing over everything, gogeta has only 30 min but dude finish all his battle in not even 20 lmao
@@the_onlyghost8990 He literally addressed this in the vid
@@wasifchowdhury2004 tell that to the dudes being salty in comments 💀
I believe the reason why Gogeta didn't separate prematurely against Broly like Vegito did against Zamasu is because unlike Vegito who had gone full power from the beginning of his fight against Zamasu, Gogeta fought Broly in his Base and Super Saiyan forms before turning into Blue halfway throughout the fight thus lessening ki consumption from the transformation allowing him to stay fused for a longer duration.
This puts him above vegito in power then because Broly is stronger than both Goku and Vegeta at blue and Zamasu got rocked by Kaioken 20x Goku and Vegito seemed to be equal to Zamasu and he used Ssjb and what did gogeta use ssj there is a massive multiplier between these forms so if were going by that logic Gogeta > Vegito
@@tanjirokamado9746 Actually, Vegito is stronger than Zamasu. He just couldn't kill him because he's immortal. But he did manage to weaken Zamasu significantly enough for Trunks to finish him off. Goku and Vegeta have gotten a lot stronger since then, so it's possible that Vegito and Gogeta are now equal in strength.
@@tanjirokamado9746Even by your logic, Broly never fought a SSjBxKaiokenx20 Goku, so you have no real comparison.
Here's what damaged fused Zamasu:
Goku SSjB basic Kamehameha
Trunks Spirit Bomb Sword absorbed from a dead planet of 5 people
Xeno
It wasn't SSjB Kaiokenx20, or Father -Son Galick Gun, or Final Kamehameha or anything logical, so again, there's nothing to salvage from the Zamasu fights other than establishing the time limit for Potara, in which case it does so extremely vaguely. Manga it is 40 minutes, Anime is 5.
It's also because goku and vegeta had better mastery of ssb so they could use it better after ToP
Gogeta has 0 limits in super
With all due respect Geekdom, I feel the criticisms toward Death Battle come off as weird.
They aren't judging the characters based on which time period they appear with as you suggest, but a hypothetical scenario where both characters are at their strongest. Heck, their conclusion was based on Vegetto lasting longer than Gogeta, with both being identical in power but Vegetto not needing the fusees to lower their power level in order to fuse.
Agreed, felt like the hate towards Death Battle was because of a misunderstanding with what the DB was going for. In the first 2 minutes of the video they lay it out pretty clearly what they are going for with the characters.
Exactly! And they came to the SAME DAMN conclusion. Vegito wins. What's with the hate? Respect.
@@shadowstrike07 if this is some old dislike towards them, I would understand it, but their video was mostly fine. One thing that threw me off guard was them thinking destroying the earrings stop the fusión, but ultimately that was irrelevant to the conclusión.
Yeah, Geekdom took his hate of DB too far this time, not even realizing the DB crew used the same evidence and came to the same conclusions as he did, making this video entirely redundant and coming across as spite.
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was waiting for this video but honestly I am unsure if you watched deathbattle or just made a quick video in reaction to seeing the thumbnail because you both came up with the same conclusion for the same reasons lol
sure they didnt go into exact details and also talked about the games and stuff, but they said most of what you said here
Ok so you agree of the outcome of death battle but still wanted to take a shot at them??? Come geekdom you’re not petty bro.
Man Geekdom. Bruh. I love your vids. In depth discussions of my favorite anime. Love the channel. Love the format. Keep it up man, and looking forward to what you’ll be bringing for 2023!
I always looked at it like this:
A. Gogeta--a fusion that leans more towards the characteristics and affinities that Goku has. Greater stamina, greater physical strength, tenacious, natural instinct for fighting. Basically a souped up version of Goku but with Vegeta personality sprinkled in.
B. Vegito--a fusion that leans more towards the characteristics and affinities of Vegeta. Greater ki control, a cunning and calculating mind, a fighter who likes to exploit weaknesses in psychological warfare, naturally high energy. Basically Vegeta if he were super charged and with a little bit of Goku.
The way I see it, there's a reason why each fusion chooses the names and fighting styles… And that's because they both have completely different personalities and affinities.
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Statement from Shonen Jump:
Popular Characters from DB world are added to the "canon" by Akira Toriyama-sensei's hand!!!
If "Vegetto"is born from the Potora, then Fusion gives birth to "Gogeta"!! Two equally-matched ultimate trump cards!!
Right after the death battle video? Geekdom tryin' to start somethin' 😂.
As always
Love the breakdown. Thank you for the knowledge as always
Love your vids man!
so you admit Vegito has a longer time limit, then you head cannon that they share their abilities with no sources evidence, and you admit Gogeta needs both parties to be equal in power while Vegito doesn't
hilarious that you mock death battle but come to the same verdict by the same means so i guess you are equally as terrible as they are
I like how even though he said don’t trust death battle they both had the same result. Vegito won crazy, almost like geekdom didn’t watch the most recent episode. Death battle changed from what they do in the past for the better.
Yep
Really? Did they get rid of Boomstick's cringey ass too?
@@NukeA6 lmao I wish they just had normal commentary
Honestly I would love Death Battle if they knew how to write battles without making the cringiest dialogue known to man or make them so flanderized, you can't even recognize them.
Did u forgot this was recorded like months in advance
Same day as the death battle, that’s some good timing. I honestly think Vegito would win just because potara was stated to be a stronger form of fusion and the fact that you have to have the same power level for metamoran fusion to work. They have the same skills but Vegito just has a little more power. It would definitely be a super close battle.
That statement is old and was made by the same guy who said the fusion was permitted and that changed
Same power level to fuse, but doesn't lower it as the fused being. That's why Goten and Trunks realized they could fuse in base and just transform later. It didn't matter.
@@kiryuthedragonwarrior2746 Its literally officially stated in the guides
@@ToxicNoxic Guides that are contradicted by recent statements, recent statements will always take priority
@@JustinSparfven
Also gogetas power was never nerfed when Goku and Vegeta were severely beaten in Broly and Fusion reborn. Lacking stamina and being battle worn never affected Gotenks power either.
I’m assuming that the reason why the time limit happened for the potara is that if we try to piece the recent one retcon to the past, it’s possible that the elder Kai was correct, at least in his view, but since the potara earrings was only used by the gods, he had no idea on whether or not it would be applied for mortals too and assumed it would.
This is kind of my head canon, but it’s one that kind of makes sense, if you were a god and had something that is applicable for gods, you wouldn’t have any idea on whether if it would work for mortals, and if the permanent thing (or whatever you can think of) would also be applicable for them.
makes sense , because then they can make things like Kalifa and not have to make her a permanent member of the cast
Yeah to add to your point about them sharing techniques, we have to remember ki is a very malleable energy. Yes, you can practise the same form for many years to optimize it perfectly, but you can also shape it to your situation. Neither of the fusees existed, and therefore ever had a thought, prior to their initial fusions. Which means, Gogeta thought of stardust breaker, a technique which eradicates all evil, on the spot, because he was fighting a being which was almost entirely (except for the kid) comprised of evil energy. Vegito came up with the spirit sword on the spot to slice and dice Buu's body.
It might also just come down to preference between the 2 as well. If there really is a slight edge of vegeta in Vegetio and Goku in Gogeta, then despite knowing and even having the memories of being the other fusion, they might just be more comfortable using a technique they thought of as that particular fusion unless the situation calls for it. Like I bet stardust breaker would probably hurt fused Zamasu more than the ki blade, but instinctively went for what’s familiar to him in that quick instant.
Honestly speaking I agree 100% with your facts but I feel in the end.. that Vegito is stronger because one has to lower their power? I feel it's kind of wrong because all of Super or atleast most of it. GOKU and VEGETA have been equal in power. Even in Broly even in ToP end and even in Manga rn. Soo it all depends on the plot
But if head to head GB vs VB happens, it's GB which will take the W if GB manages to finish vegito within 30 mins
The debate was probably one of the most frustrating. Been a long time since I last checked but old Kia stated that the ear rings were 'better'. However a lot of people held on to this as the deal breaker making the fusion stronger. However better doesn't mean stronger. He could have been better due to the fact it didn't run out and a dance wasn't necessary. There was never really a solid statement that suggested it was stronger and they avoided that question like the plague
What kind of cope is that, it’s better because it’s stronger Vegito wins
@@noah_256. .....ok
2 things I find no one ever talks which should be talked more is 1) The metamorrian fusion, when it comes to equal power levels! As my understanding for it to work you need perfect synchronization, where does the rest of the more powerful person power go because if you’re fusing two being I don’t think it would just wipe out that persons power. 2) When Gogeta officially appears he says it’s the combined power of Goku and Vegeta and then some, hinting that there is possibly more to the fusion that we don’t know about
Not sure why you decided to hate on Death Battle even though they arrived to the same conclusion tho
Anyways, back in DBZ Potara was presented as a better option because it's immediate and permanent. The fusees simply had to put the earrings on and BAM it's done. Besides, you didn't have to worry about defusing mid battle (or so we thought). In the OG manga many things are left up for interpretation, because the Elder Kai only said his fusion method would be more efficient, no direct mention about raw power. Many other sources show both give essentially the same increase: the Super Exciting Guide with all the multipliers, Vados talking about Kefla, the GT Perfect Files on SSJ4 Gogeta, etc. The rival boost applies for Gogeta as well because it's Goku and Vegeta put together too, like Vegito. And considering the official promo info that came out in 2018 confirming both are equals, the fight would probably end up in a tie
Death Battle literally made all the same points in Vegito's favor that Geekdom did.
The only Dragon Ball Death Battle that I take issue with is Beerus vs. Sailor Galaxia, where they gave Beerus UI, but still concluded that a Sailor Moon villain was stronger and faster than a Universal deity from Dragon Ball. The research and logic leaps on that one were a mess.
goku and vegeta max forms are pretty relative rn so the gogeta power level thing won’t matter. gogetas personally is also way more ruthless so i’d bet on gogeta
Right after the death battle episode love it!!
Geekdom had this video ready! He didn't even offer the courtesy of giving Death Battle a few days to garner views first. Someone chose violence today!
Why was there Death Battle hate in this video? Both this video and the death battle had the same conclusion and on top of that it was for pretty much the same reasons. Can't really say "Stay away from Death Battle because you know" when you didn't really give a reason to stay away. If anything you're just giving more of a reason to watch death battle since You are one of the biggest Dragon Ball guys on this platform so anything you say involving the series has some weight to it and you matching Death Battle's points just strengthens their video.
I never understood these major DB haters. They often cite things like inaccuracy and whatnot. And to that I say: so what? It's not JUST about the numbers. It's also about educating viewers on things they might not know about these characters, creating interesting and fun fights, and just celebrating the total potential of these characters.
@Mr. Hazama (Yuki Terumi) I think that depends on your mindset going in. Having dealt a lot with VS. Debates before, I know that some things are just impossible to argue, and some things are absolutely clear cut. But like the DB crew themselves have said, these fights are, above all else, a celebration of the characters they portray.
I can step back and take it as it was intended, seeing the effort put in to depicting the combatants, especially ones I likely wouldn't have looked into of my own volition.
@mr.hazamayukiterumi The meteor feat for Akuma you're using was out of context. Assuming you're talking about Jin vs. Ryu they brought up the meteor Jack destroyed and stated that it wasn't canon and if they had included it ( meaning they didn't) they would have had to include the other meteor example as well.
@@GunlessSnake This is a proof by example fallacy. Bias or lack of bias can only really be demonstrated more directly, and there definitely seems to be bias in how they interpret evidence.
For example, after Hulk vs Broly they changed the way they scale Dragon Ball to suddenly not accepting that Goku absorbed SSG during his fight with Beerus, when in the anime that's crystal clear. They don't accept it because they feel the evidence isn't strong enough. And to be clear they composite anime and manga Goku so the anime should be valid here.
When it comes to JoJo though, they scale all the part 1 and 2 characters to part 3 Dio's wanked speed feat, so all the part 1 and 2 characters that scale more or less to Jonathan are 1500x FTL.
If you've actually watched the first 2 parts of JoJo you'd know this is bullshit and a half. Things like guns are able to tag the Pillar Men. The Red Stone of Aja slowly falling off a cliff was a big deal. 1500x FTL Joseph used a shitty cargo plane to escape from 1500x FTL Ultimate Kars.
Goku absorbing SSG is canon to the anime and irrefutable. It's right there in the dialogue and shown in the feats.
1500x FTL or even just light speed JoJo completely breaks nearly every scene in Battle Tendency and has no feats or statements to back it up.
Death Battle accepts one of those but not the other, and it's not the more reasonable one they accept.
You'd have to have the reasoning of a child to not see the way they interpret evidence is not equal and "muh win rate" will never change that.
And personally, I would rather Dragon Ball lose every fight but have both fighters scaled reasonably than have the fighters scaled poorly but Dragon Ball wins all the time.
So don't listen to Death battle but you come to same the same conclusion the same way?
The battle was fine, honestly it was a good animation and I really didn't care which one won in the end, you could argue for either.
The only other thing I want to add is that the rival boost seemed, to me, to mean that they knew each other and each other's moves as well as they did themselves. So no adjustment period. If Goku fused with, say Piccolo he might not know how he fights and how his beam attacks work. But Goku and Vegeta know each inside and out so the new being created already knows his power and limits as soon as he's created. Whereas Picoku may not have known if he could regenerate or not or how much he could or even how to do it.
So... this is the same result as DB but longer and with the start saying that you don't trust them and the description saying that it will "debunk" the DB?
So you just said the same thing Death Battle said, almost word for word.
So short version, you agree with death battle
Kinda ironic.
Bro… you slammed on Death Battle (again) and yet, you completely agreed with the outcome of the battle (again).
Honestly, do you just made the video to try to boost your views, fueled by the hatred your audience has against DB? I know your audience hate them, and it has everything to do with the fact they concluded twice that Goku would lose to Superman. But that’s besides the point.
You said that Vegeto would win because of a very slight advantage that it’s the sum of the two beings, vs the two having to equal their power. That’s the same conclusion DB came up with.
And how patronizing to say someone, or in this case, a team of people, who did the same thing you did, came up with the wrong conclusion? You yourself made a massive assumption in this video, and something that was NEVER confirmed in ANY official media. You said that both would be able to do the same techniques. No where does it say that. For all we know, they’re a new being. And you said that in the beginning of the video as well. You said they’re a new being, a new body. In short, if others make assumptions, or calculations, they’re wrong. If YOU do it, it’s spot on? There’s no DBZ college. We all love this series, and can do whatever observations we want. Anything that’s not stated in official media is all speculation anyway. It’s for fun. It’s what you do. Stop slamming others for doing the same. It’s hypocritical.
And this isn’t the first time this happened. You did the exact same thing for Goku v Superman. Slammed DB but came to their same conclusion at the end of the video.
Just some things to think about.
Well said man, I agree with what you are saying. Geekdom tries to use the Dragon Ball fandom’s unreasonable hatred for Death Battle to gain views, but he literally reached the same conclusions as them
Awesome review,… may I ask your take then on the Superman vs Goku battle? Happy Holidays!
“Stay away from Death Battle because… you know”
No. I don’t. They came to the same conclusion as your video. With the exact same evidence.
They literally said everything he said and came to the same conclusion. Lol.
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I love you talk down Death Battle only to come to the same conclusion for the same reasons.
The salt for Death Battle is strong in you my friend!
I have a few questions that nobody has been able to answer convincingly. If Goku and Vegeta do the fusion dance and become Gogeta and then Gogeta puts on the Potara earrings, what would happen when the fusion time was up? Would Gogeta split into Goku and Vegeta or would he automatically turn into Vegitto? And if he did split up, would they merge into Vegitto or would they need to wait? Same with Vegitto, when he defused, could Goku and Vegeta do the fusion dance right away?
If they could switch back and forth between fusions, that'd make them really OP.
Ok ok. Hear me out. I want to take your premise but expanded. If Goku and Vegeta fusion dance into Gogeta and then Gogeta puts on Potaras with Gotenks. And then and then Gogenks puts on Potaras with a Kai. Surely that makes it permanent right? Sure the final form would be weakened some from the less powerful Kai but could anything take on God Gogenkai?
But on second thought 🤔... If Potara is like Majin Buus absorption them Gotenks did defuse inside Buu... But then again in that case Buu and Gotenks really didn't become one. It was like he was inside separately. So I'd still say the stacked fusion Potara to Kai would be permanent.
@@Morrowind4732 I’d say you’d get something like what happened with Zamasu originally, though not as extreme since it’s defusion and not one dying.
More like in the manga where we see this melting half rose Goku black and half Zamasu. Breaking apart, but can’t be separated fully.
It’d probably happen instantly too considering the sheer amount of power going on there.
Iirc, there is actually a cool down period for fusions post defusion. I believe it’s 2 hours. Not sure. Nor am I sure if this applies to both types, or if both types have the same cool down time.
@@naisagathefirstdestronmand8559 but what if they're different fusions? Can they go from Gogeta defusing straight to Goku and Vegeta fusing into Vegitto? That's my main question.
In 1995: "Vegeto's fusion lasts infinitely, and has a slighly higher PL."
In 2023: "Vegeto's fusion should last longer, and has a slighly higher PL."
Now that the potara fusion has been nerfed, and the precise time-limit is debatable, the best argument into account is how these two forms handle their bases' PL.
Finger-fusion requires the stronger fighter to lower their PL to match the weaker. Potara fusion doesn't.
And since Goku is usually slightly stronger than Vegeta, Vegeto should usually be slightly stronger than Gogeta. This, of course, varies with the situation.
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Basically Geekdom said all this in a longer and more detialed fashion. But for this reason, bashing on DeathBattle this time is just bad. They reached to the same conclusion after all.
When we need to joke about them, we do, but when they get things right doing so is just a poor behaviour.
Was this planned with DeathBattle? Cuz damn being subbed to both and just now getting around to seeing this I'm spooked. Much love
Tell me you didn’t watch DB video without telling me…I get that you are an expert of some sorts when it comes to Dragon Ball, but if you are gonna drop a video trying to discredit another content creator, then at the least know their subject matter. They pretty much used the same evidence, sources, and deductions to give the same ending result as you just did. And they actually made their video tastefully entertaining so You might be out of pocket here throwing shade dude. I’m not hating here but just pointing out an observation.
Does the dominant personality of each fusion effect the fused character's fighting style and choice of techniques?
Well vegito atleast in the videogames fights way more I don't wanna say cocky but he literally kicks u while sitting on air with his hands folded...I love his fighting styles it's like he's knows u can't fuk with him nd he jus toys with u...definitely more vegeta like
@@joemclenigan6026 Vegito is more Goku
Gogeta is more Vegera
I’ve always just avoided the whole debate by saying this: Both are equal in power, but are better suited for certain situations.
Gogeta seems more serious and performs better in straight up fights. His moves seem to hit harder and has more physical strength then Vegito. He also takes fights more serious then Vegito does, and finds more success because he rarely loses his composure and is always more on guard.
Vegito is a more clever fighter. Where Gogeta is superior in brawn, Vegito is superior in brains. His playful and condescending attitude angers his enemies to make them more brash and give him more openings and opportunities to win. He isn’t as powerful in direct combat compared to Gogeta, but he uses mind games to his advantage.
This is the exact way I’ve always looked at the topic, it’s not about who’s stronger, it’s about who will be more effective.
vegito fodderises gogeta i fear
It's funny that you rag on Death Battle and say they never do their research but your conclusions here are basically identical to theirs for basically the exact same reasons. Namely, that it could probably go either way but more often than not Vegito wins with a VERY slight edge because
1: The people fusing don't have to match in power to fuse which may result in a very slightly stronger fighter
2: Vegito's time limit is inherently longer so the longer the fight on the more it tips in Vegito's favor.
This is their exact conclusion as well. I did think your analysis of the efficiency model regarding Metamoran fusion was cool though.
Well TBH, I don't know the backstory behind all the translations and stuff like you do, I also don't study Dragon Ball professionally like you do, but based off the kanzenshuu, daizenshuu, which I remember Toriyama stated that kanzenshuu knew 'more' about DBZ than him, as well as multiple scales and feats in the anime dub and sub, I feel like Vegito being leagues above Buuhan does make sense from a power-scaling standpoint, because while Buuhan was universal+ (Trying to destroy the dragon ball universe, possibly macrocosm), Goku and Vegeta were still relative to Super Buu who could tear open time and space with just screaming which is a 4th dimensional feat. Goku and Vegeta were also much much more powerful than Youth Gohan who is confirmed to be Solar System level in the Cell saga. So even if you low-ball, Super Saiyan 3 Goku should be at least in the league of Kid Buu who was destroying galaxies over time and was a threat to the entire universe, and was even destroying the kai world. SSJ3 should at LEAST be around galaxy level if he's competing with a guy who could destroy the entire universe, implying all 4 universe-sized realms since he could visit the afterlife. Galaxy X Solar System+ probably would equal something relative to Vegito's strength. I believe Gotenks could do super saiyan 3 because fusion also combines the minds of the fusees. Goten and Trunks are already mega-prodigies, but fusing their (subconscious) intellects together would be unfair. Vegito is much smarter than Goku and Vegeta, I say this because there's actually a scene where Vegito blasts Buuhan, and points his face downwards while holding him by the first half of his head banana, POINTING him to the direction of the other half of his banana, so that Buuhan had a higher chance of coming up with the idea of absorbing Vegito due to Vegito's own influence. He was able to outsmart a being who has been fighting super high-tier Gods for most of the time in the universe, who had also absorbed (probably) the 2 smartest Z-Fighters, Piccolo and Gohan, AND Goten and Trunks, who are super-ultra prodigies.
I knew you were going respond to the death battle 💀 I’m very glad u did
You really just made a dig at Death Battle, saying they don't do their homework? When they LITERALLY do the homework and show all their research in the videos? Just seems like someone's salty about the way the video ended.
Really Geekdom101, don't u disrespect Death Battle like that! All the info that Wiz and Boomstick gave us about Gogeta and Vegito was legit solid!
I like your explanation, Geekdom! I'm curious as to why you had an issue with Death Battle doing the bout between them when y'all basically came to the same conclusion, even though you clearly had more in-depth research. Keep up the good work!
Because even a broken clock is right twice a day; This doesn't excuse death battle's poor scaling and less than optimal work for other videos of theirs. Geekdom (Danny) however, is a big guy in the DB community whose conclusion is dramatically more trustworthy than Wiz and Bommsticks's in this case.
@@ultrabidoof I haven't watched the video just reading mostly I wouldn't care about what he to say on the matter, not to disrespect geekdom he honestly one of my go to for dragon ball content. It just something like death battle I think honestly people mostly care the entertainment they can besides look up classic man d thoughts on death battle a whole. He have a love hate relationship he mostly watch for the entertainment.
Plus with geekdom I probably not watching entirely, I have ADHD my attention span is not existent. I just listening to someone just telling me information most of the time. With death battle there things that keep my attention almost completely even on multiple rewatch. It no like I agree with every results. We need to get Ben 10 run back. I just why someone like me who is 19 capable of knowing biases and doing my research and know not take everything from death battle because I just want to see how the match up play out. Plus how the characters interaction and the awesome soundtrack
@@kamenriderravager7667 Thank you for being a reasonable person? Anyways even though Ben 10 vs green lantern is cool (besides their shit explanation why GL won he should but damn they fumbled the ducking ball) a lot of people would wanna see Ben fight Jaden Yuki from Yu-gi-oh or well that’s the one I’ve seen the most
@@Bartre_God thanks, but I ended up making a rant comment. Though I still say that I respect geekdom and his content I wish a merry Christmas and happy holidays for him.
I just leaving link to classic man d video about thoughts on death battle as whole because it perfectly capture my thoughts.
Death Battle came to the same conclusion with research. Death Battle Vs Geekdom101; Death Battle with the fatality.
>Throws shade at Death Battle
>Both came to the same conclusion
You guys need to understand that DB's research have moved from the Goku vs Superman days. Their video was fine and that shade was just spiteful and unnecessary.
Geekdom: "Don't listen to Death Battle, listen to me."
Also Geekdom by the end: "So yeah I'd say their reasoning was completely sound actually."
The death battle video is just a bit of fun and its weird to see some DB RUclips get so upset over it haha
That's not what he's saying.
@@Darthpsychonis He literally says "don't listen to Death Battle" and then at the end parrots their exact reasoning for why Vegito wins.
@@GermanKinsmen It's research and logic that he is disagreeing with, not the outcome. Death battle has a habit of leaving out information when it suits them and skewing the outcome to whatever will get the biggest reaction. They are not a viable source for these topics.
@@Darthpsychonis What about their research was lacking in this Death Battle? They discussed everything that was discussed here, and reached the same conclusion.
"Don't listen to Death Battle, they're not reliable"*posts an identical discussion*
I've heard that their reason for gogeta winning the fight is that gogeta never underestimates his opponents. I always thought this was stupid because this means they clearly didn't pay attention to the buu fight. Vegeto's goal was to GET absorbed so he could save everyone. And 2nd even if that was the case, they assumed that Vegeto wouldn't take Gogeta seriously. 🙄😒
Wait vegito won the death battle. I literally watch the video unlike geekdom here,hell I saw it when it premiere, literally live. The last minute of the fight have gogeta need to finished it because he running out of time so he go for the stardust breaker while vegito charge up a Kamehameha. The stardust breaker going through the beam and hit vegito but didn't do squats. So gogeta struggle in the blast decided to power through and try to the use the dragon fist , he about to collide with vegito it intense as hell until a last sec vegito use the kaioken and the beam engulfed gogeta. The camera cuts to blood spatter on the floor we see vegito bruised up,then the camera cut to gogeta as a Statue like Vegeta was after his final explosion smiling, vegito fist bump the Statue and the ashes scattered to the wind. An amazing fight for both involved. Also the personalities argument they throw that out, literally in the fight gogeta use a gag Kamehameha in the fight. Both parties wasn't not taking one side seriously. Literally watch the episode
Erenxj You can’t just assume what’s gonna happen because that’s just your Opinion and your Opinion means nothing. You just gotta Face the Facts that Vegito is Stronger.
@@elvis1422
Exactly why I always say he is. Because he is.
The magic thing never made sense because Goten and Trunks were still fused inside of Buu for the entire 30 minutes. If being inside him defused vegito then it should have defused gotenks as well.
Which is why its not really a retcon. Honestly super just added more detail imo
I wonder if u break the potoras would u break the fusion? Cus if it is then could of happened while he was getting into Buu body
@@gmartinez8376 I would assume so, it happened to kelfa in super when goku finished her off.
@@gmartinez8376 yea but it seems you have to overwhelm the fusion
Which Gogeta could do in an all out final attack but it be hard
@@TrashyJayys yea that, but to me the sayians from the 2 universes power levels are different so maybe kefla powering up was even killing the time I don't think she would of last with the fusion,
I think fans of the Death Battle series and Dragonball must demand they have a rematch done between the two fusions but said video must include Geekdom101 via collaboration.
They basically said the same thing just with different wording
@@AJotasticGamer yeah why go through all that trouble to make a rematch💀💀
This entire video is pointless, I was expecting, especially since you made it very clear that you hate Death Battle, that you were gonna find arguments to prove how Gogeta would win, but here I am watching a whole video that literally agrees with Death Battle’s decision in the fight, and you’re saying to “stay away from them” like ???
I just watched one of your other vids and really liked it, and I may find other content on here that I enjoy but what was the point of misleading viewers just to say “I hate Death Battle but I fully agree with the outcome of the Gogeta vs Vegito fight stay away from their content”
I always thought vegito was more vegeta focused while gogeta is more goku focused personality wise
Edit: I also think of fusion like building something. Say you have 2 blocks of wood that can each hold 5lbs. Together they might hold 15lbs. What is holding them together is glue. The Potara is a tighter glue, but more restrictive, so it lasts longer, but maybe they cap at 15 the whole time. The metamoran is weaker glue but more flexible. They might be able to put out 18-20lbs, but will fall apart much faster.
Both things are wack yo
I'm a bit confused, isn't the power handicap of the Metamor Fusion Dance what it was said to give the final win to Vegetto over Gogeta? I remember they said more or less the same things.
They did, this video and that video say pretty much the same stuff.
@@bflaves123 Oh, got it.
Jesus Christ died for our sins and rose again put your faith in Christ .
And never once did we see a fusions power be based on the state of the fuses. Gotenks was at the same power when goten and trunks fused fresh vs worn out. Gogeta in both fusion reborn and broly was at 100% despite both Goku and Vegeta being beat down and weaker. Gotten and Trunks found out fusing at ssj did not produce a stronger fusion then at base. Fusion no matter the method takes into account both parties max power. Even when Kale and Caulifla fused when both had not been at 100% made a fusion that was, it still took both their max powers despite not being able to be at those levels.
Let me put it this way. If equalizing power levels for Gogeta makes him weaker, then not powering up to 100% for vegito does the same. But everytime we see potara used the user are not powering up to fuse they are at there base with no aura or any indication that they are at their max.
But again that's not the case, even when Goku and Vegeta are not maxing there selves out when putting the potara on to fight Buu or Zamasu, vegito is still at the same power regardless.
I know fusion has not set multiplayer but I'll just multiply them together just for arguments sake.
Say Goku's max is 100 and same for Vegeta. If they fused with potara but stay at a level of 10, it's not going to make a vegito the power of 100, it's still going to be a vegito with the power of 10,000. Being at a lower power level when fusing does not affect the fusion in either method.
If they were both equal in power it just would come down to time limit. If vegito was never nerfed with his time limit then it would be no contest now I think it's an hour but so far it looks like they can't stay fused in either form full power for more than fifteen minutes or so so it's tough to say
10:19 it should also be noted potara is 2 people in the same body. They keep their memories and experiences after defusing but the fusion dance creates a whole new person with new memories and persona and they don’t remember after separation.
Sorry but I humbly disagree. The Fusion dance requires both participants to have the same power level at the beginning as a prerequisite to sync their bodies. Theres no info that states or suggest that its a detriment to the fusion itself. By having their Ki's in perfect sync the fused fighter can squeeze more power our their bodies than they would if using the Potara. Secondly, the potara is a force fusion meaning that there's no prerequisite to obtain it just slap on the earrings. As suggested, the Potara only meant for Gods to use!..meaning if either fighter is not a deity , then you are not getting the maximum effect out of the fusion no matter how strong the fused fighters are. Therefore the earrings themselves are holding the fusion back from reaching their full power. The only set back to the fusion dance is a time limit not maximum power output. While the Potara true setback is if one of the fighters is a deity or not (which if not) will hinder the fusion from ever reaching they maximum output. So in conclusion the fusion dance is more powerful than the potara.
Ooh a deathbattle diss? Grabs popcorn
Edit: Oh, you basically just gave the same answer as them but just explained it longer. Why even pretend like they got this wrong when you show they clearly didnt
Oh come on, man, that death battle episode was awesome.
It was and the right fighter won
Who won? Imo it's a tie because both fusions require the same 2 people
@@MarcoHernandez-zk8qw it might be a tie now but vegito has the edge Rather if it's small or big power boost
In the original potara isnt stronger in power but was interpreted as more effective because they thought it did not have a time limit making it much more useful compared to fusion dance
But @Geekdom101, u practically agreed with death battle, tho on this fight. U just provided more solid evidence.
For both fusion to coexist and make sense is only one way:
Vegito is the most powerful and brutal BUT can’t be performed that easily since it requires the availability of a dedicated object so is not too practical and has the risk to make the fusion a permanent state.
Gogeta is less powerful BUT is way more practical and can be performed without depending on third party variables like an object or a god, it only needs the knowledge to make the right dance and the 2 individuals, nothing else. Is shorter too but gets the job done as the last resource in your own hands without depending on other individuals.
Also Potara lets literally fusion or combine power levels of both host whereas Gogeta needs both of them to stabilize their power hence limiting the potential of the ultimate warrior which was conceived by Akira Toriyama himself to be Vegito.
Conclusion, Vegito is stronger but is complicated to get the potara therefore makes it less reliable or practical in critical situations, relies too much on specific conditions to be born and has the risk to be permanent, Gogeta is less powerful but can be performed at any time and the fusion is quite short making ot way more practical if done right.
I was always in the thinking that they are the same in power. Whatever which is stronger depends on where Goku and Vegeta are in there power scale
Literally the same verdict and argument as the people you ripped on in the beginning.
Dude you made a video but I can tell you didn't even watch the death battle. All you did was talk for no reason and crap on death battle for no reason
so you are saying that beathbattle is wrong but you are also saying that vegito is stronger for the same reasons that deathbattle said that vegito would win?
Let's go Geekdom I knew you were going to do a video on this!
Bro why are u mad at Death Battle if you both came to the same conclusion?
Yeah I'm confused as well he's just mad ar death battle doing something. They are judt humans doing these and I'm judt glad that they are giving recognition to series I love
I believe both fusions have their purposes and would just leave it at that. It's childish in my eyes that people champion a specific fusion when, in reality, anybody that comes across these two is definitely in for a beat down REGARDLESS. I just think the battles that their respective counterparts are used in is what makes people determine which is actually stronger.
Based.
Chad
To be honest I think they’re just the same character the only difference is that they’re just different fusions and it doesn’t matter who would beat who and who would beat a major villain I’m pretty sure that gogeta would beat buuhan and vegito would destroy janemba And I actually do like the 2018 guide when super Broly came out that they were both the ultimate Trump cards it makes sense
Vegito needs to be a million times stronger than Gogeta if Blue makes Vegito defuse in 2 seconds but has NO effect on Gogeta.
Gogeta Blue should be as impossible as Ultra Vegito, that's all I'm saying
The potara earrings are dope because it was forever and it brought mystique of how they’ll get out of it and split back. Dropping it from FOREVER to a 1 hr time wild lol its funny how Goku and vegata are considered human but literally are from an alien race who turned into apes 😅.
I don’t understand why people are forgetting the Shonen jump Kanzenchuu about the time the broly movie came out. It was clearly stated that the fusion dance is a much more complete dance and gogeta draws powers much more than vegito. It also stated that in a gogeta will win every time until the 30 mins are up. So it’s clear that gogeta is stronger. If you are fighting a powerful being gogeta will be the perfect fusion to defeat the enemy. I respect what geekdom said about vegito being stronger but when you think about it logically gogeta should be stronger because the fusion dance requires balance between the two which mean the fusion is a much more balanced fusion which makes sense that they are able to draw out more power effectively than vegito. Awesome video by the way
Didn't it only say that the two fusions were equal?
I think vegito has the edge not only because potara is more convenient, , pop on the earrings and boom its done vs with the dance… you have to be similar sizes, and have similar power levels. I mean trunks had to lower his power to match goten. With potara its not only easier but you dont lower your power, you can fuse with anyone no issues.
Lol i left this commenr and then danny brought it up.
The way I see it is that Death Battle is fine for entertainment purposes but you should never take them at face value if you actually want to know who would win the fights they set up
Not everyone who uses potara get a big boost. Kefla in manga did not grow any stronger then Kale. And Elder Kai is obviously weaker then his non fused self. Anime wise even Goku said fusion with dende would weaken him, and Fusion with Hercule would do nothing.
Look at Goku and Vegeta in fusion reborn. If lowering ones power ment a weaker fusion then the gogeta in that movie should be half ass dead, but he's at full throttle. Gotten and Trunks learned that fusing in base vs Ssj produced the same Gotenks. So no, lowering ones power does not affect the fusions power. They could lower there ki down to 1 and still produce the same fusion. Fusion has never shown to be weakened because one of the two fighters is beaten down. The only time that was ever mentioned was with vegito vs Zamasu. But even this is shown to be bullshit with Kefla later on not having her power weakened because the two were not at 100%.
I wrote this on Death Battles channel after watching the video they made, because it didnt make sense...This actually Doesnt make sense, Death Battle Explain to Me ? Why would u make Gogeta go ss4 when it isn't CANNON? I GOOGLED IT to, it's not Cannon Think About IT, Gogeta has been seen putting more power output than vegito, and even Gogeta never Defused after using Star DuskBreaker And The Kamahameha AND The Other moves he Used against broly at the end in Broly Movie 2019.. and even stopped frieza afterwards and was willing to fight Golden Frieza after beating Broly. Gogeta does have a personality based on the episodes .. he is more serious and has seen more screen time of getting the Job Done. To say vegito had a larger time limit is irrelevant because vegito has never fought someone as strong as Gogeta, to draw out his power, but Merged Zamasu is not as Strong As Gogeta so why in the actual Anime, Vegito Defuses against a merged Zamasu Which! Is weaker than a Full Power Gogeta, Go on RUclips And Type Merged Zamasu Vs Vegito go to 5:50 Seconds, the fight lasts 5 minutes and Elder Kai Said They had 1 hour but their massive power Output Drained the Fusion, So imagine Vegito is fighting Gogeta Now, an Even Stronger Foe, but yet u make vegito last longer in your Video and even Stack Kaioken, also the Feat Vegito did against buuhan when he got turned into candy, gogeta could also do, remember they are the same people.. in the movie Broly it's Stated by them, that (they aren't just fused together but their power is also significantly magnified. Not only that Gogeta would never turn SS4 against Vegito, because it's not CANNON and also even if it was, gogeta wouldn't do it given how serious he was when he needed to take down broly and Janempa. Gogeta knew he was a threat to the universe, so he knew he had to get serious. It baffles me, How You Death Battle No Disrespect to you and your Team, but you use episodes that aren't CANNON, Also when vegito used kaioken and a Kamehameha and didn't defuse, in Your Animation but yet He used a Final Kamehameha against Merged Zamasu and Defused, in the REAL ANIME. Vegito has been known to play around with his opponent, even more than gogeta, given how the Buuhan fight played out. And how much he was toying with him, I understand vegito wanted to get Eaten by Buuhan to Save Gohan and Krillin and Chichi but still he spent all that time messing around. I disagree with this Death Battle not from my Opinion, but FROM FACTS. I'm not biased either, my cousin wanted to watch this with me, and me a big dragon Ball Fan and Dragon ball Z, and Dragon Ball Super fan, I want you to give the Exact Facts and The Exact Outcome, EVEN IF the Video, turns out to be 1hour Long, to get it Right.. for the sake of your Fans and The Sake of The Honor In your Video. There was So many Facts and References You Did Not Name, Me being A college student and Studying Dragon ball while on my breaks, and being a big Fan of you guys, you guys have let me down with this, analysis.
death battle never does make sense anyway and geekdom said not to go there lol
Wait so you start off saying death battle doesn’t do their research but then arrive at the exact same conclusions with the exact same reasoning. Did you even watch their video?
So you agree with DeathBattle?
For the same reasons
I don’t even know what the debate is, it’s LITERALLY stated the potara earrings are a better fusion IN Z.
Even logically to fuse with the dance someone has to lower their power level to match their partner while the potara doesn’t do it. So you’re multiplying a higher number by default
Except that fusions happen at different times and different power levels.
Agreed jake
@@czar17_28 the fusions we’re talking about is Gogeta vs Vegito, made from the same characters the only difference being the methods used,
And one starts Gogeta at a lower power level than Vegito by default
Man is stuck in the past. Things change, and inconsistencies arise. Not as clear cut as people used to believe.
@@Sandy-ug6dj thank you
If they changed that Potara was permitted they'll change kt being stronger
Death Battle literally came to the same conclusion 💀
What's with the unnecessary hate?
Okay funny ass story, Im watching pocketphilex video about every Goku transformation… I got curious about the difference between Gogeta & Vegito so I naturally started searching… the first video was Death Battle Gogeta Vs Vegito and I instantly scrolled passed it because it wasn’t what I wanted firstly and secondly I knew it was some kinda fan art, not the most reliable source of what’s closer to canon facts.. I saw this video and decided to give it a click and I’m happy I did. You taught me that the finger fusion is Gogeta and the God earring fusion is Vegito. Dope content !
I think death battle did pretty well on this one let them have it
I always thought the rival comment meant that they know each others fighting styles , technique and personality so they can adapt to each other faster , Personally I prefer Gogeta, design wise , but it doesnt help that they always break Vegito out half way in a battle , but Gogeta is usually used to finish the fight
Rival Boost is an actual thing
If you are going to subtly knock Screwattack, you should at least upload an analysis on the topic that’s more insightful than theirs.
Many people claim that Gogeta and Vegito are equals in power, especially since both fusion methods have the fused warrior's power multiplied. However, power's not the only factor and, when going by combative feats, Vegito's the one who's portrayed as being a more highly intelligent fighter than that of Gogeta. There is also the matter of THE KEY to winning in battle, and the most important thing [as stated by Akira Toriyama] revoles around the size of a fighter's ki, as well as their control over it, in which the concepts of it revolve around energy, courage, and right-mindedness. Physical strength has limits that can only be overcome by ki, which basically explains how Goku is able to approach the mightiest warriors in the entire Universe, let alone all the other Universes.
Along with official guidebooks putting Potara Fusion as it being superior to the Fusion Dance, Vegito in the manga when he fights Zamasu does practically the same thing he did to him in the anime, which primarily revolves around Vegito continuously whittling down Merged Zamasu's mind, body, and spirit, which goes back to the concept of ki in Dragon Ball. The manga even portrays Vegito as him being significantly superior to Zamasu [as he should be] since he can blow him in half without blue. Literally the only reason as to why Vegito technically LOST against Zamasu is because of the unexpected time limit. Ultimately, when considering the IQ feats themselves, there's a clear cut victor.
Regarding the misconceptions that'd more-or-less portray Gogeta as being the STRONGER fusion out of both him and Vegito, as well as a big misinterpretation on a specific magazine:
8:19
There's specific versions of Vegito and Gogeta being used here [Buu Saga Vegito | Fusion-Reborn Gogeta]. It's to be noted that the stories from the movies are literally "stories in a different dimension from the main story of the comic", as stated by Akira Toriyama. In other words, separate community, different realm of power. This is more-or-less a comment on Fusion Reborn Gogeta being stronger than Buu Saga Vegito, with Buu Saga Vegito only winning "if the battle lasted longer", which indicates Gogeta being stronger in power. This is not in reference to Vegito and Gogeta fighting via equal power because the versions of Gogeta and Vegito that are being used in this guidebook are not equal in power.
10:39
To put it simply, both Gogeta and Vegito, as fused warriors, are beyond anything Goku and Vegeta can just throw out individually, and fusion is always like the #1 thing they can use in a fight to finish off any opponent they go up against, especially ones who are significantly stronger than them as individuals. Plus, not only can a fused being tap into transformations that aren't even accessible to non-fused warriors [with Gotenks being a prime example of this via Super Saiyan 3], they're also able to maintain it without any real issue aside from their natural time limits as a fused warriors. The statement you made in 9:00 sums it up, but ONLY to an extent as Vegito is also capable of finishing off opponents quickly, much like how Gogeta is able to. Note that many japanese translators [including Herms] have agreed to this.
Ultimately, in reference to the whole "time limit" argument, it's important to note that, much like Vegito [as it was already pointed out in this video in regards to Gogeta], both Vegito and Gogeta have ki attacks and transformations that can greatly reduce the time limit FROM 30mins-1hour TO 10 minutes, so Gogeta having "better balance" is pretty much irrelevant, and it doesn't disregard the energy consumption that comes from ki attacks and transformations. There's no denying that a theoretical battle between Gogeta and Vegito would be close- at least, in my opinion. But, when you go by feats in the anime and manga, as well as official material [dialogue, potara > fusion guidebooks (in which there's multiple of them), concept of ki] then, again, there's a clear cut victor.
The problem is Vegito getting nerfs, in the anime he wasn't too strong against Zamasu and so he unfused because Zamasu is immortal he tanked all his attacks for too long or so it seems. It made Vegito look bad in the end and ofcourse it doesn't even make sense, but in the manga Vegito is slicing and beating him up like it's breakfast and he still unfused which again doesn't make sense.
So now we have Gogeta who fought Broly used lots of attacks and in the end never unfused. So now Gogeta fans will say he can't unfuse and Vegito would unfuse, which is clear inconsistency and if that is the case then Vegito loses, even in SDBH they favour Gogeta way more than Vegito for whatever reason. Either way just enjoy the one you like and that's all there is to it
Vegito was stronger than Gogeta at around the Buu Saga because Goku was stronger than Vegeta at the time since he could go Super Saiyan 3. Now that Goku and Vegeta have trained to the point of being equals and unlocking Super Saiyan Blue, both their fusions are now equal.