The Truth About Gogeta VS Vegito
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- Опубликовано: 20 дек 2022
- Vegito vs Gogeta DEATH BATTLE has come and gone and on this video I present the HONEST TRUTH about Gogeta vs Vegito Fight, who is stronger and how do you compare them? ALL the facts about Vegetto vs Gogeta Death Battle DEBUNKED in Dragon Ball Super and MUCH more on this edition of Dragon Ball Mythbusters.
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The truth is Vegito in the original continuity was stronger, but over time the two fusions got retconned in the newer material to be equal.
Pretty much
You still run with Potara being stronger just based on what he said at the end, which everyone seems to forget. Potara doesn’t require both being at the same power level
Gogeta never appeared in the same continuity as Vegito until Broly, so there's no retcon there
Yet Vegeta never stayed fused the full duration and he's never beat anyone
@@jasonhearn5818 thats plot, not because of power issues
The big advantage that I saw in the fusion dance was that you don't have to carry around a delicate piece of jewelery. Vegeta crushed it like a peanut when they defused inside Buu
Well I mean he used all his strength..
And with the fusion dance if you mess up one tiny detail you become fat.
@@JRLSpiderman or skinny which is worse considering at least fat Gogeta and gotenks could tank a couple of attacks. It's a unique set of tradeoffs
The only time they were broken in a fight is when UI goku overpowered kefla, the earnings are protected by the user's ki, just like their body and clothes, even trying to say that the earrings are "delicate" in a fight is a massive reach, as gokus ki blast was way stronger than kefla anyway, so does it really matter that they broke? No.
@@JRLSpiderman your right an thats why Supreme Kai said potara is better than the dance not because it makes you stronger they are both equal in strength.
Potara= more power equals less time fused not good if you can't kill him in time, just like Zamasu arc prooved.
Metamorans Fusion= more power no problem which Broly movie prooved.
Before you say Gotenks had a time limit when he put to much power thats because of SSJ3 which drains life force, in Gotenks case time.
I'd prefer it if each fusion had their own strengths and weaknesses, it makes things more interesting. I'm actually glad that Super did some retconning to make it less one sided.
The only weakness they have is time limit, vegtio is the perfect warrior for a reason if whis were to see vegtio he would have no comments and see no flaws.
The time limit retcon was dumb but I see why they did it.
It's still one-sided lol Potara just isn't permanent anymore.
I honestly had no problem with the retcon too, but then yet again even in the Buu saga when Vegitto unfused, it was never properly explained, only Goku tried to offfer an explanation, and as a kid I never bought Goku's explanation since he just learned of the Potara fusion just hours prior to the fight
@@GuyVick seth
The thing is though, when Old Kai says Potara is better, he says this after he tells them Boo won't just let them fuse. The very fact that you can fuse with anyone by snapping earnings on automatically makes Potara a better fusion method. You don't have to balance you ki or be of similar size. Old Kak was shown to be wrong about multiple things with the potara, and even in Z he didn't know why Goku and Vegeta defused, so I think him saying it's better is a combo of him tooting his own horn and referring to how the potara doesn't need to have specific poses.
However, the WSJ guide that says Gogeta is a better balance makes sense as well. Potara is supposed to be for the Gods to use, and so it might not balance all the aspects of 2 mortal warriors, but instead just combine them.
The Metamoran dance is designed to make a stronger warrior and because you have to match ki size and body size to fuse, it makes sense for Gogeta to be a better balance.
The other big thing is Gotenks and Kibito Kai.
Gotenks was way superior to Kibito Kai, yet the latter was likely comprised of stronger fusees, and used a stronger fusion.
Imo they are meant to be equal. In BoG when goku says fusion won't be enough for Beerus, I think its talking about either form in general. The most recent guide says they are equally matched trump cards, so I think they are equal.
Do we ever get proper power scaling of Supreme Kai and Kibito, though? They're both constantly surprised by just how strong Goku and Vegeta are. Also Kibito Kai doesn't have access to any transformations, while Gotenks has Super Saiyan 3. Base Gotenks was no match for Fat Buu.
@@Hypershell yeah, we know Shin can kill freeza in an instant.
Goku in the yo son goku and his friends return special says that the boys are a perfect match for freeza.
But you could be right as Kibito is weak. Still they used this supposedly much better fusion and were still fodder. I think ssj gotenks would smash kibito kai
You make a lot of valid points that I never thought of, of course if you want to fuse faster then Potara would be the obvious choice. But if you want balance and easier control you should logically go with the Dance. In my opinion I’ll always think Gogeta is a better fusion even if they are considered to be equal simply cause Gogeta is just much more balanced and the Dance has proven to be equal to and sometimes above the items of the Gods which says a lot. I still like Vegito don’t get me wrong, and he’s just as capable as Gogeta, but imo Gogeta is better even if Vegito is stronger and has a longer time limit
Goten and Trunks are stronger than Kibito and Shin, according to his Daizenshuu Bio Goten was relative to Gohan at the start of the Buu saga, while Shin is stated in guides to be equal to Cell games SSJ Goku, Kibito is weaker than Shin and Trunks is a bit stronger than Goten, later down the arc Goten and Trunks get stronger by training so even tho they fused using a weaker method they were already way stronger than Kibito and Shin, it's only natural Gotenks would be stronger than Kibitoshin
@@dbrazell4 in that fight Goten and Trunks were way weaker than during the Buu saga since they were out of shape to the point they forgot basic things about fighting, seeing how Gohan was barely able to keep his power after not training for a few years, it's natural Goten and Trunks would get weaker as well
Personally I think simplicity of the potara fusion is what really makes it the better option. Assuming the power levels themselves are even somewhat relative between the two options, the need to learn and perform the dance correctly or risk a failed fusion and all the time wasted waiting to defuse and redo the dance, automatically makes it a much less practical option especially when it's with Goku and Vegeta as the fusing pair.. Where as with the potara you just gotta throw on some earrings and there is zero risk of failure...
Unless you're Gohan, where the "throwing" part kinda was the issue...
Was literally just going to say.
Goku: "Catch!"
Gohan: *doesn't catch*
Hence why elder said it was the more effective fusion and why he said Buu would not wait around and let them dance. He never doubted it's power, only it's method.
Plus a battle worn Goku and Vegeta who are at not even 10% of there max power will produce a Gogeta and Vegito at 100% power despite not having 100% of there power to draw from. So I never understood the whole dance is weaker cuz you have to equalize power levels. We never see Goku and Vegeta powering up fully in base to use potara.
Corrupted merged Zamasu isn't a failed fusion?
Maybe but the time factor makes it bad since the more power you put out the less time you have, if Goku and Vegita get to powerful, then what potara fusion will last 1 sec or can't fuse because potaras can't even handle the power especially considering Supreme kai was so surprise with Goku, Vegita, and Gohans power, I don't think these earings are that powerful.
I literally seen someone in the chat for the battle say "I can't wait for Geekdom to make a video about this", and HERE WE ARE!!
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The only thing I want to really say in regards to this is the Metamoran fusion to me is just a ritual. So even though one person has to lower their power level to preform the ritual, it does not mean the fusion itself has lost any of the power the person that lowered their level had. Like it’s just something that must be done for the ritual to work. Not that the full power locked within isn’t being used in the end result.
good point
@Geekdom101 doesn't SEG ( Super Exciting Guide ) describes the Fusion Dance as then multiplying the two people's power together? since the latter is weaker, they have to lower their PL to match with theirs, then it's multiplied. pretty sure SEG explains this.
@@justauser8224 ya, it does
@@Asmokedetector aight then that fr contradicts it being apart of the ritual and it’s really both lowered PL multiplied together to be the fusion’s power.
I always had that same head cannon as well, glad to know some one thinks of it like that too
Honestly, I thought the Death Battle guys did pretty good within the parameters they set. And they basically ended up in the same place you did.
Vegito did win the SDBH anniversary anime. But I'm on team Gogeta all the way. You can say that two fighters who balance their ki on their own is better than a fusion that forces two imbalanced forces together because of the importance of balance and self control in eastern martial arts.
@@part-timegamer2712 They said both fusions had the timer issue, but Vegito had an entire hour compared to Gogeta's 30 mins. So in that case, Gogeta would end up defusing first out of the two fusions.
@Part-Time Gamer
Very good points, but it goes to show how inconsistent the canon's logic is. Divine Ki should use the same amounts of Ki in a godlike way: less energy spill (hence being hard to sense) and more concentrated life force, yet it overtaxes the Potara by using "too much energy".
Still, that's consistent with the current canon. At this point in the manga, Vegito wouldn't last over a handful of minutes (heck, maybe even 1 full-power attack) before running out the Potara.
@teekaydee
It doesn't matter
We only use canon.
If non canon can be used.
Then it's inconclusive.
@Part-Time Gamer vegito will always be better than gogeta. I guess you forgot vegito was up against an immortal god that many of vegitos attacks normally should have destroyed him while gogeta was up against a saiyan.
@Part-Time Gamer just like you name tag, you are a part time dbz fan, with those words you're typing
I thought Death Battle handled the fight well, not showing too much favoritism towards one or the other
I may be a Gogeta stan but I wasn't mad about the ending
The DB crew essentially used the same evidence and came to the same conclusions as Geekdom did, except they showed no hate to another production for their entertainment medium.
I was mad surprised at the disrespect he showed towards them. At first I thought it’d be a subtle, vague jab, then he just kept talkin shit.
@GunlessSnake Yeah I expected all this to go towards saying Gogeta would actually win. But the conclusion is the same.... so why the hate lol.
@@plus-delta4477 Death Battle did reference Heroes but to be fair when it came to the actual fight, they stuck to Z, GT and Super material.
Personally I liked DB's video.
@@GunlessSnake And that's a plus for them for once.
I always liked Vegito's design better and felt like he was stronger than Gogita based off the old continuity.
Well regarding Z, FReborn scales differently
But Vegito smacks overall
Gogeta has never lost or even had a close fight and he only has 30 mins . Janemba was as strong or stronger than buu amd gogeta did wayyy better . Vegito actually has never defeated anyone 😂
@@etherthedragon2273 facts dude be arguing over everything, gogeta has only 30 min but dude finish all his battle in not even 20 lmao
@@the_onlyghost8990 He literally addressed this in the vid
@@wasifchowdhury2004 tell that to the dudes being salty in comments 💀
Another thing to note of why the fusion time with the dance may be more stable is due to the fact that both beings need to be similar in power to fuse meaning more efficiency with power and time consumption, while the potara doesn’t have such restrictions and beings can be anywhere in power and this may make the time wind down faster since one being may be drawing more power than the other using up the limit.
This also makes sense
Yeah to add to your point about them sharing techniques, we have to remember ki is a very malleable energy. Yes, you can practise the same form for many years to optimize it perfectly, but you can also shape it to your situation. Neither of the fusees existed, and therefore ever had a thought, prior to their initial fusions. Which means, Gogeta thought of stardust breaker, a technique which eradicates all evil, on the spot, because he was fighting a being which was almost entirely (except for the kid) comprised of evil energy. Vegito came up with the spirit sword on the spot to slice and dice Buu's body.
It might also just come down to preference between the 2 as well. If there really is a slight edge of vegeta in Vegetio and Goku in Gogeta, then despite knowing and even having the memories of being the other fusion, they might just be more comfortable using a technique they thought of as that particular fusion unless the situation calls for it. Like I bet stardust breaker would probably hurt fused Zamasu more than the ki blade, but instinctively went for what’s familiar to him in that quick instant.
I hated the idea of Gogeta was better than Vegito because he gets the job done and not play around like Vegito does. Like you said in the video, Gogeta is primarily in movies so he has no choice but to get the job done. Vegito is used as a way to show that fusion can defeat the main villain. Hell in GT, Gogeta toyed with Omega Shenron so that point never made any sense to me.
He toyed with shenron to annoy him to the point that he would draw out his negative energy to transfer his own positive energy into it to dissipate it.
Similar to when vegito toyed with buu to make buu absorb him to save their friends.
Only difference is that gogeta is more efficient and gets the job done.
Gogeta never really lost a fight as far as I know, where vegito never won.
I am biased towards gogeta, but for good reasons
I have evidence that gogeta is better than vegito
Although jaw breaker vegito is unbeatable
@@josephp95 You doubt Gogeta was strong enough to break the negative energy barrier on his own?
@@jelloistasty probably could, but it's plot.
Pretty much everything is plot
Everything has to fit into a story
It was be quite badass if gogeta broke the negative barrier by himself and like I said probably could, but again, story and plot
Story and plot override everything
@@josephp95 To say that he was only playing with shenron *so he would specifically use the negative karma ball* is to assume he couldnt have just broke the barrier on his own without omegas help, which I highly doubt. Plot is everything, but we shouldn't make assumptions about it.
@@jelloistasty what he really did was crush two birds with one stone
Allowing shenron to release negative energy from his body, then turning that negative energy into positive energy to cleanse the earth. Honestly doesn't really matter either way, would end up with the same result
2 things I find no one ever talks which should be talked more is 1) The metamorrian fusion, when it comes to equal power levels! As my understanding for it to work you need perfect synchronization, where does the rest of the more powerful person power go because if you’re fusing two being I don’t think it would just wipe out that persons power. 2) When Gogeta officially appears he says it’s the combined power of Goku and Vegeta and then some, hinting that there is possibly more to the fusion that we don’t know about
Man Geekdom. Bruh. I love your vids. In depth discussions of my favorite anime. Love the channel. Love the format. Keep it up man, and looking forward to what you’ll be bringing for 2023!
So your reason for Vegito likely winning against Gogeta more often than not are the same exact reasons Death Battle gave for why Vegito wins more often than not. Literally the same reasons - no need for Goku and Vegeta to equalize their power levels with Potara fusion, and Vegito has a slightly longer time limit. That consistency is why that result is most likely right.
I wouldn't call it a slightly longer time, it's literally double the time
Vegito has 1 hour gogeta has 30 minutes vegito has a much longer time duration
@@revlismorningstar825 provided he doesnt use to much power.
@@revlismorningstar825 i think yall always forget about the zamasu fight, vegito defused in like 5 minutes even if he was supposed to have an hour of time, while gogeta was going all out and he didn’t defuse
@@Unknown-jw2he yet if he taps into blue he defuses immideately while gogeta can easily go all out without worrying of using too much power
Right after the death battle video? Geekdom tryin' to start somethin' 😂.
As always
I think it comes down to personal preference, and I prefer Vegito.
Sameee!!!!!
I’m assuming that the reason why the time limit happened for the potara is that if we try to piece the recent one retcon to the past, it’s possible that the elder Kai was correct, at least in his view, but since the potara earrings was only used by the gods, he had no idea on whether or not it would be applied for mortals too and assumed it would.
This is kind of my head canon, but it’s one that kind of makes sense, if you were a god and had something that is applicable for gods, you wouldn’t have any idea on whether if it would work for mortals, and if the permanent thing (or whatever you can think of) would also be applicable for them.
makes sense , because then they can make things like Kalifa and not have to make her a permanent member of the cast
I like how even though he said don’t trust death battle they both had the same result. Vegito won crazy, almost like geekdom didn’t watch the most recent episode. Death battle changed from what they do in the past for the better.
Yep
Really? Did they get rid of Boomstick's cringey ass too?
@@NukeA6 lmao I wish they just had normal commentary
Honestly I would love Death Battle if they knew how to write battles without making the cringiest dialogue known to man or make them so flanderized, you can't even recognize them.
Did u forgot this was recorded like months in advance
With all due respect Geekdom, I feel the criticisms toward Death Battle come off as weird.
They aren't judging the characters based on which time period they appear with as you suggest, but a hypothetical scenario where both characters are at their strongest. Heck, their conclusion was based on Vegetto lasting longer than Gogeta, with both being identical in power but Vegetto not needing the fusees to lower their power level in order to fuse.
Agreed, felt like the hate towards Death Battle was because of a misunderstanding with what the DB was going for. In the first 2 minutes of the video they lay it out pretty clearly what they are going for with the characters.
Exactly! And they came to the SAME DAMN conclusion. Vegito wins. What's with the hate? Respect.
@@shadowstrike07 if this is some old dislike towards them, I would understand it, but their video was mostly fine. One thing that threw me off guard was them thinking destroying the earrings stop the fusión, but ultimately that was irrelevant to the conclusión.
Yeah, Geekdom took his hate of DB too far this time, not even realizing the DB crew used the same evidence and came to the same conclusions as he did, making this video entirely redundant and coming across as spite.
Yeah 👍
Not sure why you decided to hate on Death Battle even though they arrived to the same conclusion tho
Anyways, back in DBZ Potara was presented as a better option because it's immediate and permanent. The fusees simply had to put the earrings on and BAM it's done. Besides, you didn't have to worry about defusing mid battle (or so we thought). In the OG manga many things are left up for interpretation, because the Elder Kai only said his fusion method would be more efficient, no direct mention about raw power. Many other sources show both give essentially the same increase: the Super Exciting Guide with all the multipliers, Vados talking about Kefla, the GT Perfect Files on SSJ4 Gogeta, etc. The rival boost applies for Gogeta as well because it's Goku and Vegeta put together too, like Vegito. And considering the official promo info that came out in 2018 confirming both are equals, the fight would probably end up in a tie
I believe the reason why Gogeta didn't separate prematurely against Broly like Vegito did against Zamasu is because unlike Vegito who had gone full power from the beginning of his fight against Zamasu, Gogeta fought Broly in his Base and Super Saiyan forms before turning into Blue halfway throughout the fight thus lessening ki consumption from the transformation allowing him to stay fused for a longer duration.
This puts him above vegito in power then because Broly is stronger than both Goku and Vegeta at blue and Zamasu got rocked by Kaioken 20x Goku and Vegito seemed to be equal to Zamasu and he used Ssjb and what did gogeta use ssj there is a massive multiplier between these forms so if were going by that logic Gogeta > Vegito
@@tanjirokamado9746 Actually, Vegito is stronger than Zamasu. He just couldn't kill him because he's immortal. But he did manage to weaken Zamasu significantly enough for Trunks to finish him off. Goku and Vegeta have gotten a lot stronger since then, so it's possible that Vegito and Gogeta are now equal in strength.
@@tanjirokamado9746Even by your logic, Broly never fought a SSjBxKaiokenx20 Goku, so you have no real comparison.
Here's what damaged fused Zamasu:
Goku SSjB basic Kamehameha
Trunks Spirit Bomb Sword absorbed from a dead planet of 5 people
Xeno
It wasn't SSjB Kaiokenx20, or Father -Son Galick Gun, or Final Kamehameha or anything logical, so again, there's nothing to salvage from the Zamasu fights other than establishing the time limit for Potara, in which case it does so extremely vaguely. Manga it is 40 minutes, Anime is 5.
It's also because goku and vegeta had better mastery of ssb so they could use it better after ToP
Gogeta has 0 limits in super
Uhh…nothing you said contradicts what death battle said…
was waiting for this video but honestly I am unsure if you watched deathbattle or just made a quick video in reaction to seeing the thumbnail because you both came up with the same conclusion for the same reasons lol
sure they didnt go into exact details and also talked about the games and stuff, but they said most of what you said here
The debate was probably one of the most frustrating. Been a long time since I last checked but old Kia stated that the ear rings were 'better'. However a lot of people held on to this as the deal breaker making the fusion stronger. However better doesn't mean stronger. He could have been better due to the fact it didn't run out and a dance wasn't necessary. There was never really a solid statement that suggested it was stronger and they avoided that question like the plague
What kind of cope is that, it’s better because it’s stronger Vegito wins
@@noah_256. .....ok
They did the right thing by comparing the technical aspects of the fusions. Given that they are both from the same time and same base, the fusion dance is a technique. In the series, a mistake is depicted as having a drastic negative effect, so it stands to reason that less obvious failed mirroring may result in a decent fusion, but still at a lack of the full character times character multiplier. Potara doesn’t risk any of that. Otherwise the fight is just a mirror match, and vegeto wins because 1 hour is more than 30 minutes. I’d like to think it’s more technical than that.
Ok so you agree of the outcome of death battle but still wanted to take a shot at them??? Come geekdom you’re not petty bro.
Same day as the death battle, that’s some good timing. I honestly think Vegito would win just because potara was stated to be a stronger form of fusion and the fact that you have to have the same power level for metamoran fusion to work. They have the same skills but Vegito just has a little more power. It would definitely be a super close battle.
That statement is old and was made by the same guy who said the fusion was permitted and that changed
Same power level to fuse, but doesn't lower it as the fused being. That's why Goten and Trunks realized they could fuse in base and just transform later. It didn't matter.
@@kiryuthedragonwarrior2746 Its literally officially stated in the guides
@@ToxicNoxic Guides that are contradicted by recent statements, recent statements will always take priority
@@JustinSparfven
Also gogetas power was never nerfed when Goku and Vegeta were severely beaten in Broly and Fusion reborn. Lacking stamina and being battle worn never affected Gotenks power either.
Love the breakdown. Thank you for the knowledge as always
Love your vids man!
goku and vegeta max forms are pretty relative rn so the gogeta power level thing won’t matter. gogetas personally is also way more ruthless so i’d bet on gogeta
I was always in the thinking that they are the same in power. Whatever which is stronger depends on where Goku and Vegeta are in there power scale
I have a few questions that nobody has been able to answer convincingly. If Goku and Vegeta do the fusion dance and become Gogeta and then Gogeta puts on the Potara earrings, what would happen when the fusion time was up? Would Gogeta split into Goku and Vegeta or would he automatically turn into Vegitto? And if he did split up, would they merge into Vegitto or would they need to wait? Same with Vegitto, when he defused, could Goku and Vegeta do the fusion dance right away?
If they could switch back and forth between fusions, that'd make them really OP.
Ok ok. Hear me out. I want to take your premise but expanded. If Goku and Vegeta fusion dance into Gogeta and then Gogeta puts on Potaras with Gotenks. And then and then Gogenks puts on Potaras with a Kai. Surely that makes it permanent right? Sure the final form would be weakened some from the less powerful Kai but could anything take on God Gogenkai?
But on second thought 🤔... If Potara is like Majin Buus absorption them Gotenks did defuse inside Buu... But then again in that case Buu and Gotenks really didn't become one. It was like he was inside separately. So I'd still say the stacked fusion Potara to Kai would be permanent.
@@Morrowind4732 I’d say you’d get something like what happened with Zamasu originally, though not as extreme since it’s defusion and not one dying.
More like in the manga where we see this melting half rose Goku black and half Zamasu. Breaking apart, but can’t be separated fully.
It’d probably happen instantly too considering the sheer amount of power going on there.
Iirc, there is actually a cool down period for fusions post defusion. I believe it’s 2 hours. Not sure. Nor am I sure if this applies to both types, or if both types have the same cool down time.
@@naisagathefirstdestronmand8559 but what if they're different fusions? Can they go from Gogeta defusing straight to Goku and Vegeta fusing into Vegitto? That's my main question.
Let's go Geekdom I knew you were going to do a video on this!
Geekdom had this video ready! He didn't even offer the courtesy of giving Death Battle a few days to garner views first. Someone chose violence today!
If they were both equal in power it just would come down to time limit. If vegito was never nerfed with his time limit then it would be no contest now I think it's an hour but so far it looks like they can't stay fused in either form full power for more than fifteen minutes or so so it's tough to say
“Stay away from Death Battle because… you know”
No. I don’t. They came to the same conclusion as your video. With the exact same evidence.
They literally said everything he said and came to the same conclusion. Lol.
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If "Vegetto"is born from the Potora, then Fusion gives birth to "Gogeta"!! Two equally-matched ultimate trump cards!!
I was really hoping you would make a video on this after that "battle". Thank you so much! It was an amazing video as always!
Though it ironic for a debunked video he came to the same conclusion as they did
So you just said the same thing Death Battle said, almost word for word.
The magic thing never made sense because Goten and Trunks were still fused inside of Buu for the entire 30 minutes. If being inside him defused vegito then it should have defused gotenks as well.
Which is why its not really a retcon. Honestly super just added more detail imo
I wonder if u break the potoras would u break the fusion? Cus if it is then could of happened while he was getting into Buu body
@@gmartinez8376 I would assume so, it happened to kelfa in super when goku finished her off.
@@gmartinez8376 yea but it seems you have to overwhelm the fusion
Which Gogeta could do in an all out final attack but it be hard
@@TrashyJayys yea that, but to me the sayians from the 2 universes power levels are different so maybe kefla powering up was even killing the time I don't think she would of last with the fusion,
In the original potara isnt stronger in power but was interpreted as more effective because they thought it did not have a time limit making it much more useful compared to fusion dance
So short version, you agree with death battle
Kinda ironic.
I always looked at it like this:
A. Gogeta--a fusion that leans more towards the characteristics and affinities that Goku has. Greater stamina, greater physical strength, tenacious, natural instinct for fighting. Basically a souped up version of Goku but with Vegeta personality sprinkled in.
B. Vegito--a fusion that leans more towards the characteristics and affinities of Vegeta. Greater ki control, a cunning and calculating mind, a fighter who likes to exploit weaknesses in psychological warfare, naturally high energy. Basically Vegeta if he were super charged and with a little bit of Goku.
The way I see it, there's a reason why each fusion chooses the names and fighting styles… And that's because they both have completely different personalities and affinities.
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Right after the death battle episode love it!!
Honestly I felt like what elder kai meant Is that the potara was more efficient in terms of its magic since you don't have to align your pose, or make sure one partners power level is weaker than the other etc just put the earring on then boom your done but in my honest opinion they was always equals no matter which one you choose to be honest but on paper vegito has the edge due to having the longer time limit but gogeta could win if he plays his cards right and destroys the earrings, also a fun fact about that whole retcon it was actually made to cover an old plot hole that everyone overlooked in the buu saga amd that was when gotenks was absorbed by buu inside his body and he gained all of the abilities and everything of gotenks and that he should've have instantly defused and buu shouldn't have gained anything from them anyways and should've just been piccolo buu absorbed from the get go but he wasn't so really it was mainly toriyama trying to make a mends for that said plot hole because that should've effected gotenks as well. But hey death battle said vegito was stronger in the end anyways even though a lot of other stuff implies they are equal to begin with which is honestly how it should be and also the fact that goku and vegeta are relatively equal anyways now even if you factor I'm TUI Vegeta can still get stronger and improve and he seems to be slightly stronger than goku is in base at least but it could be an on and off thing anyways hence why I am saying they are relatively around the same strength anyways so really there wouldn't even be a hamper in the fusion but the problem with that statement anyways is that there isn't any guide that said the dance gets its power hampered anyways and really this debate shouldn't even exist tbh why don't we just debate about who has the better drip or moves instead of trying to power scale let's drip scale instead
Basically, but there are things that are nuanced and anime fans(especially Dragonball fans) don't even know what that is or care.
@@Requimpact what headcanon? It was litteraly in the context of "that buu fella wont let you do the dance"
@@Violent_Wolfen which sucks because they should they should read into everything a lot more this is why they get made fun of
@@AlexGabrijel exactly hence why he gave them the earrings anwyas and I did outright say on paper vegito wins through a Time limit also if anything that us headcanon is the fact that "lowering your power level reduces the power of the fusion" that was ne er stated nor confirmed especially since gogeta outright states he gets significantly magnified and isn't just two strengths added together plus its already been confirmed they are equal in terms of power which was fhe point I was trying to make and that we should just shut up and get along already
The way I see it, with a fusion body, you're absolutely right that the new fusion being needs to learn to understand their new body to properly utilize their power. Honestly had never thought of that until you pointed it out here, so thanks for that! This would probably explain how a couple of 10yo kids who learned super saiyan like last year could reach the level of control of the super saiyan power that one of the universe's best martial artists ever needed years to even learn. Gotenks learning super saiyan 3 is an absurdly radical feat, but it's actually making more sense now. They took the time to hone and understand their fusion body with that hyperbolic time chamber training session. This wouldn't have been possible without spending dozens of hours training and getting to know your new fusion body. This might feel a little like having a traumatic physical injury and needing to go through physical therapy to re-teach yourself how to walk again. You've learned it before, so you know how to learn it faster, but you still need to gain control of yourself again. New techniques is one thing, but a new understanding of the self is another. To use an analogy that's easier to apply to the real world, if you suddenly found yourself with 10× the memory capacity you had before, you'd be learning new ways to go about yourself without really trying. Gotenks took that, and learned the transformation that only the one who has spent decades honing their mind body and spirit has ever reached. That's a fucking feat.
I'm of the opinion that potara fusion has a lot of upfront upsides in its ease of use and longer time limit, but fusion dance might be a more 'elegant' fusion method. We don't see the downsides of potara a lot, but Merged Zamasu and OldKai kinda show off it's lack of forethought. In the anime, Merged Zamasu doesn't quite have the immortality that regular Zamasu had, showing the fusion kinda just mixes two people together. It just so happens that outside of Zamasu, most other potara fusions involve characters with similar skillsets and abilities, so nothing ever seems to get lost in the mix. Old Kai, while getting great magical ability from his fusion, is clearly a lot weaker physically and more frail after his fusion.
While we don't get to see the fusion dance get used with anyone other than Gotenks and Gogeta, I do have to wonder if it would have the same weakness or if the methodology and ideology of the dance would result in a better mix. While the need to be precise, focused, and in sync with each other is a pretty big requirement and sometimes a detriment, I always wondered if this requirement could be useful for beings of more varied abilities. A sort of sync up in order to create a fighter with the best traits of both fusees.
However since the topic is Gogeta and Vegito, most of this stuff doesn't really matter as the two are of a similar power and abilities. Since we don't really have any concrete data on the power boosts from either fusions (or at least data we can use since fusion power= character A x character B is really unhelpful) or how efficient the time drain from using energy is, the only thing people can really point to is the base time limit, which is still larger for potara.
So you agree with DeathBattle?
For the same reasons
I've heard that their reason for gogeta winning the fight is that gogeta never underestimates his opponents. I always thought this was stupid because this means they clearly didn't pay attention to the buu fight. Vegeto's goal was to GET absorbed so he could save everyone. And 2nd even if that was the case, they assumed that Vegeto wouldn't take Gogeta seriously. 🙄😒
Wait vegito won the death battle. I literally watch the video unlike geekdom here,hell I saw it when it premiere, literally live. The last minute of the fight have gogeta need to finished it because he running out of time so he go for the stardust breaker while vegito charge up a Kamehameha. The stardust breaker going through the beam and hit vegito but didn't do squats. So gogeta struggle in the blast decided to power through and try to the use the dragon fist , he about to collide with vegito it intense as hell until a last sec vegito use the kaioken and the beam engulfed gogeta. The camera cuts to blood spatter on the floor we see vegito bruised up,then the camera cut to gogeta as a Statue like Vegeta was after his final explosion smiling, vegito fist bump the Statue and the ashes scattered to the wind. An amazing fight for both involved. Also the personalities argument they throw that out, literally in the fight gogeta use a gag Kamehameha in the fight. Both parties wasn't not taking one side seriously. Literally watch the episode
Erenxj You can’t just assume what’s gonna happen because that’s just your Opinion and your Opinion means nothing. You just gotta Face the Facts that Vegito is Stronger.
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Exactly why I always say he is. Because he is.
Was this planned with DeathBattle? Cuz damn being subbed to both and just now getting around to seeing this I'm spooked. Much love
Death Battle literally made all the same points in Vegito's favor that Geekdom did.
The only Dragon Ball Death Battle that I take issue with is Beerus vs. Sailor Galaxia, where they gave Beerus UI, but still concluded that a Sailor Moon villain was stronger and faster than a Universal deity from Dragon Ball. The research and logic leaps on that one were a mess.
Dude you made a video but I can tell you didn't even watch the death battle. All you did was talk for no reason and crap on death battle for no reason
Vegetto is stronger than gogeta, but gogeta is the optimal fusion because its a confirmed 30 minute time.
Also you cant say that they dont have exclusive techniques for each fusion. They have shown different techniques for a good reason and I think it is based on who has more influence in the fusion. Otherwise there would be no reason to give them completely different moves and not just one but several different moves. It stands to reason that they are capable of different things
Didn't even know death battle made a new video, bout to go watch it now and see the results.
I always thought the rival comment meant that they know each others fighting styles , technique and personality so they can adapt to each other faster , Personally I prefer Gogeta, design wise , but it doesnt help that they always break Vegito out half way in a battle , but Gogeta is usually used to finish the fight
Rival Boost is an actual thing
You do know that DBX isn’t based on facts rights? It’s a community poll, they show that multiple times.
There a new one
Awesome review,… may I ask your take then on the Superman vs Goku battle? Happy Holidays!
I knew you were going respond to the death battle 💀 I’m very glad u did
Really Geekdom101, don't u disrespect Death Battle like that! All the info that Wiz and Boomstick gave us about Gogeta and Vegito was legit solid!
To be honest I think they’re just the same character the only difference is that they’re just different fusions and it doesn’t matter who would beat who and who would beat a major villain I’m pretty sure that gogeta would beat buuhan and vegito would destroy janemba And I actually do like the 2018 guide when super Broly came out that they were both the ultimate Trump cards it makes sense
Death Battle came to the same conclusion with research. Death Battle Vs Geekdom101; Death Battle with the fatality.
Takes a shot a death battle when you made the same points they did 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Not to be disrespectful to geekdom or anyone but yall need to stop saying potara is retconned cause its not the old kai was trapped in a sword and never would think mortals (goku and gohan) would visit his planet. Of course he would think it would be permanent. The old kai is OLD and unreliable.
Literally the same verdict and argument as the people you ripped on in the beginning.
Personally I think death battle takes as much high level knowledge as they possibly can for each lore and relate it as much as possible to our understanding of how the universe works with science. If you think about it, its probably extremely difficult to figure out the criteria of what that would look like so they do the best they can. Like what would a Kamehameha blast or a superman punch would look like in the real world, and what we'd see/feel if we actually had to witness it. And tbh they probably have a better understanding of how all these moves, powers and abilities would work in the real world more than any manga/anime creator no matter how legendary they are. Not saying they're 1000% accurate, but they definitely have a better understanding of real world applications much more than Toriyama.
Like if we take it back to Battle of Gods, when SSG Goku was fighting Beerus and those ripples were echoing space when they made contact, Im pretty sure the Earth should've been experiencing some kinda terrible shockwaves, earthquakes, buildings being destroyed etc... it should've just ended life on Earth. But I'm not a science expert.
In the Funimation dub. It was clearly stated by Supreme Kai inside Buu's body is it's own pocket dimension with different rules and bylaws and subsets. Thus the Potara Earrings Fusion Effect is nullified/voided.
Geekdom: "Don't listen to Death Battle, listen to me."
Also Geekdom by the end: "So yeah I'd say their reasoning was completely sound actually."
The death battle video is just a bit of fun and its weird to see some DB RUclips get so upset over it haha
That's not what he's saying.
@@Darthpsychonis He literally says "don't listen to Death Battle" and then at the end parrots their exact reasoning for why Vegito wins.
@@GermanKinsmen It's research and logic that he is disagreeing with, not the outcome. Death battle has a habit of leaving out information when it suits them and skewing the outcome to whatever will get the biggest reaction. They are not a viable source for these topics.
@@Darthpsychonis What about their research was lacking in this Death Battle? They discussed everything that was discussed here, and reached the same conclusion.
"Don't listen to Death Battle, they're not reliable"*posts an identical discussion*
Why was there Death Battle hate in this video? Both this video and the death battle had the same conclusion and on top of that it was for pretty much the same reasons. Can't really say "Stay away from Death Battle because you know" when you didn't really give a reason to stay away. If anything you're just giving more of a reason to watch death battle since You are one of the biggest Dragon Ball guys on this platform so anything you say involving the series has some weight to it and you matching Death Battle's points just strengthens their video.
I never understood these major DB haters. They often cite things like inaccuracy and whatnot. And to that I say: so what? It's not JUST about the numbers. It's also about educating viewers on things they might not know about these characters, creating interesting and fun fights, and just celebrating the total potential of these characters.
@Mr. Hazama (Yuki Terumi) I think that depends on your mindset going in. Having dealt a lot with VS. Debates before, I know that some things are just impossible to argue, and some things are absolutely clear cut. But like the DB crew themselves have said, these fights are, above all else, a celebration of the characters they portray.
I can step back and take it as it was intended, seeing the effort put in to depicting the combatants, especially ones I likely wouldn't have looked into of my own volition.
@mr.hazamayukiterumi The meteor feat for Akuma you're using was out of context. Assuming you're talking about Jin vs. Ryu they brought up the meteor Jack destroyed and stated that it wasn't canon and if they had included it ( meaning they didn't) they would have had to include the other meteor example as well.
@@GunlessSnake This is a proof by example fallacy. Bias or lack of bias can only really be demonstrated more directly, and there definitely seems to be bias in how they interpret evidence.
For example, after Hulk vs Broly they changed the way they scale Dragon Ball to suddenly not accepting that Goku absorbed SSG during his fight with Beerus, when in the anime that's crystal clear. They don't accept it because they feel the evidence isn't strong enough. And to be clear they composite anime and manga Goku so the anime should be valid here.
When it comes to JoJo though, they scale all the part 1 and 2 characters to part 3 Dio's wanked speed feat, so all the part 1 and 2 characters that scale more or less to Jonathan are 1500x FTL.
If you've actually watched the first 2 parts of JoJo you'd know this is bullshit and a half. Things like guns are able to tag the Pillar Men. The Red Stone of Aja slowly falling off a cliff was a big deal. 1500x FTL Joseph used a shitty cargo plane to escape from 1500x FTL Ultimate Kars.
Goku absorbing SSG is canon to the anime and irrefutable. It's right there in the dialogue and shown in the feats.
1500x FTL or even just light speed JoJo completely breaks nearly every scene in Battle Tendency and has no feats or statements to back it up.
Death Battle accepts one of those but not the other, and it's not the more reasonable one they accept.
You'd have to have the reasoning of a child to not see the way they interpret evidence is not equal and "muh win rate" will never change that.
And personally, I would rather Dragon Ball lose every fight but have both fighters scaled reasonably than have the fighters scaled poorly but Dragon Ball wins all the time.
The matching ki doesn’t matter. It’s just a pre requisite to fuse. His energy isn’t going anywhere and Goku and Vegeta have fused weakened but it never alters the fusions max power. Never understood that argument much tbh
The salt for Death Battle is strong in you my friend!
I'm a bit confused, isn't the power handicap of the Metamor Fusion Dance what it was said to give the final win to Vegetto over Gogeta? I remember they said more or less the same things.
They did, this video and that video say pretty much the same stuff.
@@bflaves123 Oh, got it.
Jesus Christ died for our sins and rose again put your faith in Christ .
And never once did we see a fusions power be based on the state of the fuses. Gotenks was at the same power when goten and trunks fused fresh vs worn out. Gogeta in both fusion reborn and broly was at 100% despite both Goku and Vegeta being beat down and weaker. Gotten and Trunks found out fusing at ssj did not produce a stronger fusion then at base. Fusion no matter the method takes into account both parties max power. Even when Kale and Caulifla fused when both had not been at 100% made a fusion that was, it still took both their max powers despite not being able to be at those levels.
Let me put it this way. If equalizing power levels for Gogeta makes him weaker, then not powering up to 100% for vegito does the same. But everytime we see potara used the user are not powering up to fuse they are at there base with no aura or any indication that they are at their max.
But again that's not the case, even when Goku and Vegeta are not maxing there selves out when putting the potara on to fight Buu or Zamasu, vegito is still at the same power regardless.
I know fusion has not set multiplayer but I'll just multiply them together just for arguments sake.
Say Goku's max is 100 and same for Vegeta. If they fused with potara but stay at a level of 10, it's not going to make a vegito the power of 100, it's still going to be a vegito with the power of 10,000. Being at a lower power level when fusing does not affect the fusion in either method.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't magic that unfused Vegito inside majin buu, because even gotenks was still able to go through the time limit when they were absorbed by buu
The metamoren and potara fusion are very different but yeah it wasn't that it was Buu's aura it was basically because the timer for the fusion ran out which no matter how many ways people spin is still a retcon but it's an answer at least.
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To be fair it is a better reasoning then buus insides being strange. Especially when like the other guy said, Gotenks was still fused.
@@ashuraomega7113 We had the answer being buu's magic lol. Cause there's no way you show them diffuse as soon as they let down the barrier and not imply buu's body had 0 to do with it
I always just assumed they were equally strong since it's essentially the same "plottwist". Or just simply as strong as they need to be to be able to take down the villain..
I think fans of the Death Battle series and Dragonball must demand they have a rematch done between the two fusions but said video must include Geekdom101 via collaboration.
They basically said the same thing just with different wording
@@AscendedEmperor yeah why go through all that trouble to make a rematch💀💀
I never got on board with Gogeta being weaker because one would have to lower their power level to fuse. Yes, they. Have to match to fuse but if the fusion maximizes the people fusing how does that negate the excess power one would have to lose to fuse? Like, that power doesn’t just go away
The fusion magnifies the power of what the participants put in. Theoretically Gogeta could be as weak as Farmer with Shotgun if Goku and Vegeta somehow reduced their power levels to 1. The dance only cares about what they bring to the table.
@@lucasm.3864 Only to excecute it because it requires balance and harmony when performing the dance, no mistakes can be made. Once excecuted however, the individual can then bring out their max power. Ki doesn't just vanish in another dimension, it's still within the person who had to suppress it which can be free to bring it back up once the fusion is finalized.
I honestly think this debate is just dumb, who cares about whos stronger. It should just be about who you think is cooler. I personally prefer gogeta cos hes almost like an angel of death, whenever he appears you know your screwed. Vegito is more of a master fighter type of guy. Also gogeta just flat out looks cooler and is way more bad ass espicially after the broly movie
Also with the whole Potara time limit, I didn’t mind that coming up in Super because it was a way to explain why they split in the Buu arc but what fucked it up is the fact they added the power limit on top of the time limit
The general thing people forget is:
Metamoran fusion isn't stumped by power, whereas Potara Fusion is. It's shown with Kefla. She overloaded her power into giant rays of energy to try and kill Goku, in turn putting the rest of her fusion time down to barely a minute. Using SSGSS whilst as Vegito also stumped the time quite a bit, shortening their fight with Zamasu. Now, Potara is objectively the more pure and better fusion, but Vegito is Goku and Vegeta in one body basically. He has Goku's naivety and Vegeta's stubborness. Gogeta isn't Goku, nor Vegeta. He is his own Warrior and is made for the purpose to kill his enemies.
If they were to fight, neither would win I'd say.
Even with the logical multipliers for each fusion in reality this debate doesn't matter as much as people think as the two fusions are practically the same characters. Fights like these are never going to be decided by logical terms they're decided by plot that's why battles like Batman versus Superman are predictable and insignificant the winner is whoever the writer wants it to be.
Does the dominant personality of each fusion effect the fused character's fighting style and choice of techniques?
Well vegito atleast in the videogames fights way more I don't wanna say cocky but he literally kicks u while sitting on air with his hands folded...I love his fighting styles it's like he's knows u can't fuk with him nd he jus toys with u...definitely more vegeta like
@@joemclenigan6026 Vegito is more Goku
Gogeta is more Vegera
i was literally gonna suggest this as a new video because of death battle
I love you talk down Death Battle only to come to the same conclusion for the same reasons.
I think DB had one particularly good point in their video on this though. The fact that Goku has to slightly lower his power level to do the metamoran fusion. That’s a very good point in regards to why Vegito may have a slight up on Gogeto.
yep i said that and they are right
@@Geekdom101 oh I must’ve missed that Geek, my bad bro.
The way I see it is that Death Battle is fine for entertainment purposes but you should never take them at face value if you actually want to know who would win the fights they set up
The potara earrings are dope because it was forever and it brought mystique of how they’ll get out of it and split back. Dropping it from FOREVER to a 1 hr time wild lol its funny how Goku and vegata are considered human but literally are from an alien race who turned into apes 😅.
my thoughts was always the output the same amount of power. i always thought that even though the higher power had to lower to the others power level didnt necessarily mean they couldnt output their full power after. i figured that they had to do the fusion dance at the same power level but could output everything after. say one is a 5 and the other is a 7. i figured one would have to lower to 5 to fuse but still able to out put all 12 or whatever. i always thought that the reason it was stated it was better was because of the time limit function. but that is just my 2 cents on it
Whether they can or not is irrelevant most of the time bc they're equals
The time limit is also a separate factor, the increase is simply bigger. And on top Vegito gets the Rival Boost
@zerch3135 you are wrong considering its been stated the opposite
Oh come on, man, that death battle episode was awesome.
It was and the right fighter won
Who won? Imo it's a tie because both fusions require the same 2 people
@@MarcoHernandez-zk8qw it might be a tie now but vegito has the edge Rather if it's small or big power boost
Geekdom had to wake up from his nap and correct Death Battle real quick!!! 🤣
Vegito won the Death Battle. How did he correct them?
@Doc Vince Yes Vegito still won but their reasonings for him winning is all wrong. It's not much to talk about. They are equal in every way. The only way Vegito beats Gogeta is by outlasting him with the Time Limit.
I’m glad you made this video cause legit everything you said I’ve been telling my buddies the same exact thing lol
I think vegito has the edge not only because potara is more convenient, , pop on the earrings and boom its done vs with the dance… you have to be similar sizes, and have similar power levels. I mean trunks had to lower his power to match goten. With potara its not only easier but you dont lower your power, you can fuse with anyone no issues.
Lol i left this commenr and then danny brought it up.
I believe both fusions have their purposes and would just leave it at that. It's childish in my eyes that people champion a specific fusion when, in reality, anybody that comes across these two is definitely in for a beat down REGARDLESS. I just think the battles that their respective counterparts are used in is what makes people determine which is actually stronger.
Based.
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@Geekdom101 Hey I just had some kind of realization isn't the Fusion Dance required to have some form of Ki Control in order for the fusion to go off without a hitch and if so does that mean that every single form of Gogeta is a single being made by Goku and Vegeta primary from a Ki Controlled Technique like the Metamorian Fusion?
I think the personalities/capabilities of Goku and Vegeta would have quite a significant impact on a battle between Gogeta and Vegito.
The way I picture it in my head with Gogeta is that Goku is in the driving seat whilst Vegeta is the passenger seat lending his thoughts/abilities/ki. Gogeta as a character seems very confident and playful which to me suggests Goku is the dominant fighter in that form.
Haven't seen as much of Vegito but when I see him I instantly think Vegeta is in the driving seat whilst Goku lends his thoughts/ki/abilities from the passenger seat. Vegito seems far less playful and much more focused on winning the fight which to me suggests Vegeta is in control.
We know objectively that Goku is a better fighter than Vegeta but in an unmoderated fight would Gogetas overconfidence lead to his untimely demise?
Just food for thought.
Sorry for the long post.
Love the video by the way.
i think when people say the potara is better i think its being misinterpreted as strength instead of it being a better means of fusing than the dance because with the earrings you could fuse with anyone and don't have to be in sync but the power output for both should be similar, idk but i think it should've been a draw and lowering your power level shouldn't necessarily mean the fusion is weaker its just a requirement for the synchronicity of the dance but the end result should have the same output as the potara earrings
It's stated in the super exciting guide that the lowering of power to match does result in a weaker fusion that potara
Gogeta is the stronger fusion.
Vegito gets bitchslapped.
@@Asmokedetector It's been clearly stated later in DBS that they are equal in term of power
@@malekat8539 wrong.
@@cringekiller348 There is no statement of Gogeta Being stronger so therefore Vegito Wins.
I think death battle did pretty well on this one let them have it
One thing you talk about and i think it might be important is the dance fusion they need to have equal power while the potara doesn't have that issue but in the Anime the Elder Kai did say to goku the stay in their base form before fusing because they might not have been able to revert back or something like that it's been so long so I'm probably wrong but just thought I'd ask
So... this is the same result as DB but longer and with the start saying that you don't trust them and the description saying that it will "debunk" the DB?
I always liked the idea of Gogeta and Vegito being situational fusion. If Goku and Vegeta believe that they can all out blitz their opponent with fusion, they would use Gogeta to end the fight but if they realized that even with fusion it may be a bit of a struggle that Vegito may be the better choice.
They’re saiyans lol fusion is literally the last option especially since Vegeta hates doing the dance
@@kwon7378 I'd say just based on that alone, potara is stronger since Vegeta is fighting against it less