@@lawyer1165 he does mention pros and cons in various videos, it just isn't his primary purpose in the videos, which is hiring him to help you buy the right boat.
I think a cat is the way to go for me... I'll be retiring in The Philippines soon... I want to explore the islands there, perhaps other areas in the Pacific, etc. But... I'm open to securing the vessel from global locations, will pay to have it relocated to Subic Bay. .. I'd also be open to reconfiguring a cat to fully solar/electric drive, etc. Sailing is great, motoring with solar is even greater? Watching with interest .. 🙏🙏🙏 👍😎👍
What are your thoughts of taking this a little further into the 250-300 range where you pick up some newer Oceanis, some slightly older 54 Oceanis, and quite a few 45-47 cats with 20 years on them.
Cats don’t point and they are heavy and slow. In order to get 5-6 knots you have to burn diesel most of the time in my experience. I have chartered Lagoon, F-P and Bali cats in the 40 ft range. Also monohulls chartered include Beneteau, Jeanneau, Bavaria and a 48 ft Island Packet. With the exception of the IP the monohulls could outsail the catamarans. I liken sailing a catamaran to driving a tank. For family cruising the cats are more comfortable and roomy BUT the fittings and furnishing are very crude with sharp angles and big protruding handles you should never see on a cruising yacht. Mono got me
@@ChasingLatitudes I do think 3 hulls is too many except for maybe the "Arkea Ultim Challenge Brest" racers... they hold the record for circumnavigation at like 45 days averaging over 40 knots or something ridiculous.
I'm looking at doing a 2 year long pacific loop with a family of 4. Budget for a boat is between 300-400k and I'm still leaning towards a 50ft monohull because of the amount of upwind sailing required on the return in the north Pacific. I dread the thought of beating to windward in a 20+ year old cat.
@@ChasingLatitudes you've got a lot more experience than me. Does the ability of a monohull to sail closer to the wind with less leeway make a difference on a long passage versus a catamaran ?
Regarding catamarans, are sail drives as bad of a problem as some sailors make them out to be compared to direct drive? I’m an old oilfield diesel engine mechanic without a lot of sailing experience, but the sail drives look like they would snap off at the slightest bump. Seems like the Antares is one of the few that actually goes to the trouble to make direct drive cats. I assume that’s why they’re so expensive.
Sail drives have a lot of advantages, but the primary disadvantage is as you've alluded to, fragility. They do tend to come off much more easily that other parts on the bottom of a boat, meaning a momentary misadventure can very quickly lead to a sunk boat. Maintaining the drive/boat seal is incredibly important to keep your boat floating. But, if you're going around bumping your boat on things, a direct drive isn't going to help out much since the main problem is a lack of skill, lack of respect for danger, and a general need to get better so you stop hitting things. If you are just getting started with sailing or boating, start small. Like with a car or motorcycle, one of the best ways to hurt yourself is getting in over your head.
@@justhecuke well, by merely helping enough to not sink the boat when hitting something with the direct drive vs sinking the boat when hitting something with a sail drive is a good enough reason for me. It’s kind of a no brainer.
Could you please make a video about how to sail full-time a well-maintained, fully equipped sailboat with a $0 or very low budget, and still enjoy it? No insurance, no slip, fully off-grid with god's permit and positive thinking.
I have never been in a catamaran and currently own 27' monohull. I expect we will get newer monohull in the not too distant future for Island hopping and doing up and down the US East Coast. Anything beyond that is optional at this point. I find at this point I'm not interested in the catamaran and want the traditional sailing experience of a monohull but definitely going to be thinking dual helm.
For me the biggest deal breaker was finding a marina to dock with a sailboat boat with a 27 foot-beam. They are rarer than bigfoot In Florida, and I was charged 2x to dock. Boat slips in Florida are going extinct as there is fewer every year. Finding a local lift big enough for haul out was also an issue. My marine insurance company would not allow the boat be left unattended without a dock master in marina with dock security cameras. In general boat insurance is a problem in US as there is very few remaining marine insurance companies to insure a US flag. Be prepared to get a new b@#% hole ripped with price. You won't even be able to go into a marina without insurance. The entire adventure was a massive headache. Gee don't forget about the Florida lightning storms frying all your electronics or rudders and props stuck in all the crab pots lines offshore at night in 3-meter waves.
For cars I like sport cars or convertibles. Not SUVs. For bikes I like choppers or bobber style. Not big touring bikes. For boats I like a mono hulls, not catamarans . Minimal and sleek. Or stay home. 😁
If I can afford it in my life time, i will get a cat. For now, while im just in beginning face of learning to sail i have an old small monohull, enough for now.
Well, I kind of want to code for time to time on anchor to at least have an income. I dont think I can go with mono... I was thinking at getting a Prout Snowgoose 37 Elite(1993) from an owner that has done a refit. Just a bit bigger than gemini, 1 engine, but its much much more sturdy and I think running costs should be similar...
Delos are probably the most known actual real round the world sailors and they are building an aluminum cat after 10+ years of sailing a 53 foot gucci monohull.
ive been both ways. raced cats, cruised mono, now looking to cruise a cat. its much like what you use for transport I reckon. some drive a car. dont care about much. just get me there. some want space a/c leather seats etc. some are enthusiasts and care about the engine the builder the chassis the suspension [on both sides of the coin] then there are those who want a motorbike. its all purist all speed all engineering all innovation - those are the multihull people. you can meet great sailors who prefer each and also make the basis of a GREAT fistfight at the local marina pub by bringing this topic up! 😅 Another great vid thank you! Would love it if you got into doing boat reviews aboard or even better aboard then sailing them!
I have a bunch of those from deliveries, I'm sailong tons of boats all the time, you can check my youtube shorts and then get to the full videos from there
Catamarans have their advantages, and I have the impression that a lot more people go from owning a monohull to a cat than those who go from a cat to a monohull. They got enough room inside for a piano, pool table or maybe a bowling alley on one side. I'd never own a catamaran because I think they are profoundly ugly. I don't want to be seen on one. That's just my personal taste and I don't care if someone disagrees. If they have a cat that gives them pleasure, I say go for it, I am not going to club you about it and will encourage you to get plenty of time out on the water.
@@ChasingLatitudes That is what I like about you. I think you have a strength in helping buyers get a boat that works best for them and avoid what will not. If I hit the lottery and can afford a big boat, you're the guy I'm coming to. Considering how much money is involved, the services you offer are a bargain.
It’s VERY easy if you’re married. Take wife on both. Then you buy the catamaran she likes.
Seems fair enough
I’d like to see a video comparing the pros and cons of monohulls and catamarans WITHOUT a discussion of old boat prices.
The Okellys do
And I'd like to win the lottery
@@ChasingLatitudes I don’t run a lottery, but you have a RUclips channel. Of course, you are free to ignore your subscribers.
@@lawyer1165 he does mention pros and cons in various videos, it just isn't his primary purpose in the videos, which is hiring him to help you buy the right boat.
I love both as long as it comes with Air conditioning and a TV 😜
Agree
I think a cat is the way to go for me...
I'll be retiring in The Philippines soon...
I want to explore the islands there, perhaps other areas in the Pacific, etc.
But... I'm open to securing the vessel from global locations, will pay to have it relocated to Subic Bay. ..
I'd also be open to reconfiguring a cat to fully solar/electric drive, etc.
Sailing is great, motoring with solar is even greater?
Watching with interest ..
🙏🙏🙏
👍😎👍
I prefer a cat as well
What are your thoughts of taking this a little further into the 250-300 range where you pick up some newer Oceanis, some slightly older 54 Oceanis, and quite a few 45-47 cats with 20 years on them.
Cats don’t point and they are heavy and slow. In order to get 5-6 knots you have to burn diesel most of the time in my experience. I have chartered Lagoon, F-P and Bali cats in the 40 ft range. Also monohulls chartered include Beneteau, Jeanneau, Bavaria and a 48 ft Island Packet. With the exception of the IP the monohulls could outsail the catamarans. I liken sailing a catamaran to driving a tank. For family cruising the cats are more comfortable and roomy BUT the fittings and furnishing are very crude with sharp angles and big protruding handles you should never see on a cruising yacht. Mono got me
Thank you for the fantastic well thought out response
PS my first boat was a Hobie 16!
Awesome
The great debate! North vs South! Ford vs Chevy! What number of hulls is the right number of hulls?
The great debate
@@ChasingLatitudes I do think 3 hulls is too many except for maybe the "Arkea Ultim Challenge Brest" racers... they hold the record for circumnavigation at like 45 days averaging over 40 knots or something ridiculous.
I'm looking at doing a 2 year long pacific loop with a family of 4. Budget for a boat is between 300-400k and I'm still leaning towards a 50ft monohull because of the amount of upwind sailing required on the return in the north Pacific. I dread the thought of beating to windward in a 20+ year old cat.
Youl be beating upwind in the mono as well, going upwind always sucks on either
@@ChasingLatitudes you've got a lot more experience than me. Does the ability of a monohull to sail closer to the wind with less leeway make a difference on a long passage versus a catamaran ?
Looked forward to a video on 5-7 year old catamarans.
For sure
Aventura 34 cat , must be a good one as, only one for sale and u never see them for sale
I really like your attitude and no sh1t talk. Thanks for being you.
I appreciate that!
Regarding catamarans, are sail drives as bad of a problem as some sailors make them out to be compared to direct drive? I’m an old oilfield diesel engine mechanic without a lot of sailing experience, but the sail drives look like they would snap off at the slightest bump. Seems like the Antares is one of the few that actually goes to the trouble to make direct drive cats. I assume that’s why they’re so expensive.
I prefer sail drives
Sail drives have a lot of advantages, but the primary disadvantage is as you've alluded to, fragility. They do tend to come off much more easily that other parts on the bottom of a boat, meaning a momentary misadventure can very quickly lead to a sunk boat.
Maintaining the drive/boat seal is incredibly important to keep your boat floating.
But, if you're going around bumping your boat on things, a direct drive isn't going to help out much since the main problem is a lack of skill, lack of respect for danger, and a general need to get better so you stop hitting things.
If you are just getting started with sailing or boating, start small. Like with a car or motorcycle, one of the best ways to hurt yourself is getting in over your head.
@@justhecuke well, by merely helping enough to not sink the boat when hitting something with the direct drive vs sinking the boat when hitting something with a sail drive is a good enough reason for me. It’s kind of a no brainer.
@@CalebLeverett they have mitigations in place, but I understand.
Could you please make a video about how to sail full-time a well-maintained, fully equipped sailboat with a $0 or very low budget, and still enjoy it? No insurance, no slip, fully off-grid with god's permit and positive thinking.
Nah, I don't play into the delusion of cheap sailing, there is cheap sitting but not cheap sailing
I have never been in a catamaran and currently own 27' monohull. I expect we will get newer monohull in the not too distant future for Island hopping and doing up and down the US East Coast. Anything beyond that is optional at this point.
I find at this point I'm not interested in the catamaran and want the traditional sailing experience of a monohull but definitely going to be thinking dual helm.
Awesome, get what works for you
For me the biggest deal breaker was finding a marina to dock with a sailboat boat with a 27 foot-beam. They are rarer than bigfoot In Florida, and I was charged 2x to dock. Boat slips in Florida are going extinct as there is fewer every year. Finding a local lift big enough for haul out was also an issue. My marine insurance company would not allow the boat be left unattended without a dock master in marina with dock security cameras. In general boat insurance is a problem in US as there is very few remaining marine insurance companies to insure a US flag. Be prepared to get a new b@#% hole ripped with price. You won't even be able to go into a marina without insurance. The entire adventure was a massive headache. Gee don't forget about the Florida lightning storms frying all your electronics or rudders and props stuck in all the crab pots lines offshore at night in 3-meter waves.
Yeah it's absolutely nuts
Gemini Catamaran is my dream. Not a lot here in Europe though.
I love the 35 legacy
Thanks Chris
Thank you
2 videos in the same day?!?!
He really DOES love us!
3rd one up now
Makes for a great Friday evening to see you e put up two videos.
Mono
Thank you
Monohull…minimum 45’ preferably steel (maybe Aluminium) much smoother ride, safe in larger seas… less flimsy than a Cat.
Go aluminum not steel
For cars I like sport cars or convertibles. Not SUVs.
For bikes I like choppers or bobber style. Not big touring bikes.
For boats I like a mono hulls, not catamarans .
Minimal and sleek. Or stay home. 😁
Fair enough
If I can afford it in my life time, i will get a cat. For now, while im just in beginning face of learning to sail i have an old small monohull, enough for now.
Sounds great
Not that I can justify it, but I've always viewed catamarans as being like minivans.
I look at them like a mini condo on the water
@@ChasingLatitudes I hear you. That too. It just seems like a different kind of sailing.
LOL Catamaran or monohull, isn't that a question of just how rich are you? not rich, monohull, kinda rich cat, very rich monhull
Fair
Well, I kind of want to code for time to time on anchor to at least have an income. I dont think I can go with mono... I was thinking at getting a Prout Snowgoose 37 Elite(1993) from an owner that has done a refit. Just a bit bigger than gemini, 1 engine, but its much much more sturdy and I think running costs should be similar...
starlink will solve all of your connectivity issues
👏👏👍👍❤❤
You da best, thank you for all your comments, I sincerely appreciate it
Delos are probably the most known actual real round the world sailors and they are building an aluminum cat after 10+ years of sailing a 53 foot gucci monohull.
have you seen the trend yet ? goes usually dumpster boat, decent mono, success and catamaran , now its catamarans in the Philippines as the cost
@@ChasingLatitudes Well Delos cut in line If I remember Brian spent 350k on his Amiel when he bought it
@@williamcooper126 good to know
ive been both ways. raced cats, cruised mono, now looking to cruise a cat. its much like what you use for transport I reckon. some drive a car. dont care about much. just get me there. some want space a/c leather seats etc. some are enthusiasts and care about the engine the builder the chassis the suspension [on both sides of the coin] then there are those who want a motorbike. its all purist all speed all engineering all innovation - those are the multihull people. you can meet great sailors who prefer each and also make the basis of a GREAT fistfight at the local marina pub by bringing this topic up! 😅 Another great vid thank you!
Would love it if you got into doing boat reviews aboard or even better aboard then sailing them!
I have a bunch of those from deliveries, I'm sailong tons of boats all the time, you can check my youtube shorts and then get to the full videos from there
Like the idea of being up, with a view for interior space, so I'm thinking cat. I'm sailing to sea to see, not cave dwelling in a hole in the water.
100%
a ca all day every day
Agree
Click on this so fast.
Awesome
Catamarans have their advantages, and I have the impression that a lot more people go from owning a monohull to a cat than those who go from a cat to a monohull.
They got enough room inside for a piano, pool table or maybe a bowling alley on one side.
I'd never own a catamaran because I think they are profoundly ugly.
I don't want to be seen on one.
That's just my personal taste and I don't care if someone disagrees. If they have a cat that gives them pleasure, I say go for it, I am not going to club you about it and will encourage you to get plenty of time out on the water.
Yes sir get the boat that works for you
@@ChasingLatitudes That is what I like about you. I think you have a strength in helping buyers get a boat that works best for them and avoid what will not.
If I hit the lottery and can afford a big boat, you're the guy I'm coming to.
Considering how much money is involved, the services you offer are a bargain.
Thanks my man
Not really a valid comparison if compare a cat and a monohull with the same length.
was comparing price points not lengths though
the biggest difference is: monohull - you actually sailing. Catamaran - you motoring ;)
Gasp