I've talked to both Tom King and Ben Percy about this. Ben stopped writing Nightwing because he didn't like or want to go near Ric Grayson. Tom said he had pitched a totally different idea where Red Robin stepped into the shoes of Nightwing while Dick recovered, but DC said no. They wanted to get rid of the name 'Dick'.
Unfortunately that’s fair. Not wanting his name to be Dick. Nightwing is my second favorite superhero. So it becomes weird when people are walking by and they hear me say “Oh I love Dick” I constantly wish his name was different.
The worst part of the Ric Grayson storyline is how it made Tim Seeley leave the book because DiDio and King made a fundamental change to the character without consulting him.
Ric Grayson indeed was a mistake, and thankfully, the Dick Grayson we know and love is back and thriving more than ever. However, it truly saddens me that Dick never got to attend Alfred's funeral since, other than Bruce, Alfred was like a second father to Dick. Im glad they at least addressed his feelings about Alfred's death in the Tom Taylor run, officially making Nightwing a millionaire from all of Alfred's investments, and using it all to better Bludhaven as a city
Amnesia can be done, you mostly need the character in a new setting and to behave in a way that is antithesis of the original character, like if ric became a cat burglar, that would be interesting, or became a villain for a bit. They didn't do that, it was still dick Grayson with a new name, and it had no emotional stakes, cuz we all knew dick wasn't going to keep the new girlfriend or new job.
Tom Taylor also saved Damian from becoming evil (along with Williamson) and is the reason Jon is no longer canon to Saturn Girl, is back with Damian and aged back a year to be 2-3 years apart from Damian. Not the best writer, but can save character(s).
I see it as the Rick personality was sitting at the forfront and while he remembered his life as Nightwing, it was for a short time like seeing another person amd not himself. Itd be scary to wake up one day and start remembering another guy's life and then learning its you.
Well the best way to tell is this Alfred died in City of Bane and afterwards Joker War happens but then after the events of Joker War we go into the current Nightwing run where we learn Alfred gave his will to Dick
@@stiglapoint5672 No, the best way to tell is that City of Bane happened in Batman 75-85 and Joker War happened in Batman 95-100. Time is linear, after all.
It could’ve been a fun concept. Plenty of stories have handled minor amnesia (a ridiculous but very common condition in stories) well. This is just not one of those
Honestly, 😒 the Ric Grayson era (the first two arcs are terrible skips as editorial Didio forced “Ric” on NW book making it hero-less or substituted by the cops & fireman team pretending to be the MIA vigilante, but) with the Dan Jurgens two arcs (the “Year of the Villain” theme - where William Cobb came to collect his great-grandson to be a Talon (issues 62 to 69 )& the Joker War (issues 70 to 74). Think (not sure if) the Pennyworth RIP occurs in Batman timeline, but City of Bane (Batman issue 75 to 85 with Aflred’s death in issue 77) and Joker War (Batman issues 93 to 105 with Dick return as NW in Batman issue 99) - making Alfred died sometime between before (or after) Ric was a Talon and before Dickie-boy. Anyways, anyone should be go reading Nightwing issue 78 onwards because “Nightwing is Awesome.”
Yeah, both of them would have made for a better character for this Story. For Jason, we can take a glimpse how what he might been light directly after he got resurrected by Raz Al Gool, a version of him where some memories linger but he chose to become someone else. For Damien, it's a similar thing where we can take a look at who he is fundamentally if you take away the training and angst that he was built upon his whole life.
@@MatthewCobalt I would love se damian without his training and all his anger, like just right now he is better, but jus imagine damian wayne living a normal life, like bruce told him lok you were robin and he be like, naah you know that does not sound like me, I just wanna go to school and hangout and IDK draw some things please dont ask me again to be robin.... hahaha that would be Hilarious
@@MatthewCobalt or other one about damian being with amnesia, Bruce probably would think that is for the best and just maybe wont tell him anything, and then when Damian find out, he will be angry because why you didnt tell me anything, and then the situation scaled a little bit and then damian telling him something like, well at the final it looks like is for good I dont even want to work with someone that hides everything of me because thinks that I'm dangerous
Were they trying to reverse-ripoff Moon Knight? Just kind of seems like it, to me. Like, they thought “Hey, they ripped off Batman & a little of Nightwing HIMSELF, with Moon Knight! Why don’t we take it all back, by…???” & can up, with this. Just think about it, for a couple seconds to a minute. You’ll see what I mean. Haha!
I wasn’t a fan on the Ric Grayson stuff either though I will say ( and I saw other comments point this out) City of Bane and Alfred R.I.P happens before Joker War so continuity wise it’s pretty straight forward.
What happened to police officers and the firefighter that tried to take over nightwing's superhero duties in bludhaven when he took up the mantle again?
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Yeah it was one of the dumbest arcs in comics and around the time I just gave up on reading new comics, im probably in the minority but ever since the New 52 & after the end the old Ultimate universe I feel like there hasn't been many good writers in both DC & Marvel but thats just my hot take
Since before that. I mean superbly prime literally punched reality into fixing itself. I'm sorry just how much am I supposed to suspend my disbelief? Lol
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"I think I speak for everyone when I say we've all missed Dick"
Alfred Pennyworth 2014
No diddy
I've talked to both Tom King and Ben Percy about this. Ben stopped writing Nightwing because he didn't like or want to go near Ric Grayson. Tom said he had pitched a totally different idea where Red Robin stepped into the shoes of Nightwing while Dick recovered, but DC said no. They wanted to get rid of the name 'Dick'.
Wow that's interesting, did they talk about other things they couldn't do?
all that to get rid of a dorky name? lol
Are you for real right now?
DC actually wanted to get rid of the name "Dick" and that's why this happened?
Seriously?
That Red Robin idea is so cool, such a shame they didn't go for it for such a stupid reason
Unfortunately that’s fair. Not wanting his name to be Dick. Nightwing is my second favorite superhero. So it becomes weird when people are walking by and they hear me say “Oh I love Dick” I constantly wish his name was different.
Thats exactly what I did. I read Batman hunting down KGBeast to the edge of the earth, beat him until he was paralyzed, and leave him in a snow storm
The worst part of the Ric Grayson storyline is how it made Tim Seeley leave the book because DiDio and King made a fundamental change to the character without consulting him.
Agent Grayson arc over Ric Grayson arc any day of the week.
Ric Grayson indeed was a mistake, and thankfully, the Dick Grayson we know and love is back and thriving more than ever. However, it truly saddens me that Dick never got to attend Alfred's funeral since, other than Bruce, Alfred was like a second father to Dick. Im glad they at least addressed his feelings about Alfred's death in the Tom Taylor run, officially making Nightwing a millionaire from all of Alfred's investments, and using it all to better Bludhaven as a city
Amnesia can be done, you mostly need the character in a new setting and to behave in a way that is antithesis of the original character, like if ric became a cat burglar, that would be interesting, or became a villain for a bit. They didn't do that, it was still dick Grayson with a new name, and it had no emotional stakes, cuz we all knew dick wasn't going to keep the new girlfriend or new job.
Say what you will about tom taylor, but he saved Nightwing from this god forsaken era
Tom Taylor also saved Damian from becoming evil (along with Williamson) and is the reason Jon is no longer canon to Saturn Girl, is back with Damian and aged back a year to be 2-3 years apart from Damian. Not the best writer, but can save character(s).
Tom King said the original plan for that story was about Tim becoming Nightwing and helping Dick recover.
Dick was supposed to return in 6-12 issues.
Tom King has said a lot of things recently because he's been trying to walk back and get out of all the dumb decisions he's made.
@@williamradke4290 I think Ric happened more because of Didio than Tom King.
The guy openly hates Nightwing and the legacy heroes.
@@huntertezz yeah true, although I still hold some blame on Tom King
City of Bane is before Joker War
city of bane happens in early-mid 2019 and joker war happens in late 2020
I see it as the Rick personality was sitting at the forfront and while he remembered his life as Nightwing, it was for a short time like seeing another person amd not himself. Itd be scary to wake up one day and start remembering another guy's life and then learning its you.
I really like this idea
His head is so muscular that it deflects bullets now.
Him surviving makes no sense to be honest. A high caliber gunshot to the head is lethal. That's not a handgun. That's a straight up rifle.
He just built dif
It's a comic
Dick has the head of a tank
Say it with me. CO-MICS.
@@ericthomas6726 nobody liked it when Batman survived a fall from space and that was also comics.
They've made the story even worse, with how bea is handled or what ever her name was. Shes now an ex spiral agent turned pirate.
The one blemish on a fantastic comics run
I'm pretty sure joker war happens after city of bane because joker brings back Alfred from the dead as like a zombie
Actually, Joker War is after City of Bane.
How did Dick get his memories back?
Well the best way to tell is this
Alfred died in City of Bane and afterwards Joker War happens but then after the events of Joker War we go into the current Nightwing run where we learn Alfred gave his will to Dick
@@stiglapoint5672 No, the best way to tell is that City of Bane happened in Batman 75-85 and Joker War happened in Batman 95-100. Time is linear, after all.
Ric, what are you doing? Don't do that to your cue! You're stressing the screw joint!
Glad I saw this before going to the shop to load up
Honestly, you might be referring to something else when you say Joker War. Joker War happened after City of Bane.
City of bane happened before joker war where alfred was dead and was used to mess with bruce’s head
I DESPISE THE RIC GRAYSON ERA.
Not only did this affect nightwings run, it also affected the Titans run, which had Donna lead the group by herself without Nightwing
It also effected Teen Titans. Damian's regression and becoming extreme was because of losing Nightwing.
He should have worn a full mask with the domino mask etched out on it, made out of promethium to protect his noggin!
Hmmm kg beast got jumped by everyone damn no peace for my man
I did like the shaved head look though.
And his hair sucked
Ric Grayson jumpscare is my fucking nightmare
THAT FUCKING PANEL OF HIM GETTING SHOT, MAN, UFFFF
I START SWEATING AND HYPERVENTILATING
Sometimes writer create some stories that are just boring and for some reason they think it's genius, cab driver? Really? Lame ass writing
I say blame Dan Didio first though
It could’ve been a fun concept. Plenty of stories have handled minor amnesia (a ridiculous but very common condition in stories) well. This is just not one of those
Honestly, 😒 the Ric Grayson era (the first two arcs are terrible skips as editorial Didio forced “Ric” on NW book making it hero-less or substituted by the cops & fireman team pretending to be the MIA vigilante, but) with the Dan Jurgens two arcs (the “Year of the Villain” theme - where William Cobb came to collect his great-grandson to be a Talon (issues 62 to 69 )& the Joker War (issues 70 to 74).
Think (not sure if) the Pennyworth RIP occurs in Batman timeline, but City of Bane (Batman issue 75 to 85 with Aflred’s death in issue 77) and Joker War (Batman issues 93 to 105 with Dick return as NW in Batman issue 99) - making Alfred died sometime between before (or after) Ric was a Talon and before Dickie-boy.
Anyways, anyone should be go reading Nightwing issue 78 onwards because “Nightwing is Awesome.”
Wait I thought City of Bane was before Joker War?
I fully agree to your assessment review on this arc.
"I'm proud of you ric"
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Love your videos bro
Honestly I'd like to see this happen to Jason todd or Damian wayne
Yeah, both of them would have made for a better character for this Story.
For Jason, we can take a glimpse how what he might been light directly after he got resurrected by Raz Al Gool, a version of him where some memories linger but he chose to become someone else.
For Damien, it's a similar thing where we can take a look at who he is fundamentally if you take away the training and angst that he was built upon his whole life.
@@MatthewCobalt I would love se damian without his training and all his anger, like just right now he is better, but jus imagine damian wayne living a normal life, like bruce told him lok you were robin and he be like, naah you know that does not sound like me, I just wanna go to school and hangout and IDK draw some things please dont ask me again to be robin.... hahaha that would be Hilarious
@@MatthewCobalt or other one about damian being with amnesia, Bruce probably would think that is for the best and just maybe wont tell him anything, and then when Damian find out, he will be angry because why you didnt tell me anything, and then the situation scaled a little bit and then damian telling him something like, well at the final it looks like is for good I dont even want to work with someone that hides everything of me because thinks that I'm dangerous
Great video KGbeast had it coming.
A theory i heard swirling around was they wanted to change Nightwing's name to Rick instead of Dick.
I mean his name is literally "Richard" then can just go way with that, or short it with "Rich" or something
@@kaine8911 rich sounds like a frat douche name
Were they trying to reverse-ripoff Moon Knight? Just kind of seems like it, to me.
Like, they thought “Hey, they ripped off Batman & a little of Nightwing HIMSELF, with Moon Knight! Why don’t we take it all back, by…???” & can up, with this.
Just think about it, for a couple seconds to a minute. You’ll see what I mean. Haha!
For me, it felt like DC tried to make its version of superior Spider-man
I wasn’t a fan on the Ric Grayson stuff either though I will say ( and I saw other comments point this out) City of Bane and Alfred R.I.P happens before Joker War so continuity wise it’s pretty straight forward.
Cab driver... You sure this isn't just Jake lockley from moon night?
Wait joker war happened before city of bane? I thought all of that happened post Tom king run
It did.
I thought City of Bane was before the Joker War.
Nujabes for days
The Joker War takes place AFTER City of Bane
City of Bane is well below Joker War
What happened to police officers and the firefighter that tried to take over nightwing's superhero duties in bludhaven when he took up the mantle again?
Ric is separate from Dick now...
The worst part?
They removed his iconic haircut
The horror! The audacity!
Can anyone help me out with a problem I'm having, please?
I want to read the Marvel comics event where other superheroes were exposed to a gamma bomb or gamma rays or something and they become Hulk versions of themselves but I can't find where to start reading to get to this event. Is it part of the World Breaker Hulk run or something else entirely?
Well that's your opinion about it
How the Hell did a British woman become the historian for an Ozark Mountain town?
It's annoying the dedicate to their garbage idea when it is rejected and keep making like 80 books of it
Yeah it was one of the dumbest arcs in comics and around the time I just gave up on reading new comics, im probably in the minority but ever since the New 52 & after the end the old Ultimate universe I feel like there hasn't been many good writers in both DC & Marvel but thats just my hot take
Since before that. I mean superbly prime literally punched reality into fixing itself. I'm sorry just how much am I supposed to suspend my disbelief? Lol
You're not alone
Ric grayson hard pass.
Batman hunting down and beating the hell out of KGbeast I’ll buy double.
Huh interesting
The Nightwing series has gone to trash ever since they began to sexualize him for sales ever since his New 52 series Grayson
Right!? And people wanna hate on the New 52😂😂😂. It's like EVERYBODY hated the prequels, THEN Disney said hold my juice box...😅😅😅
Dumbest story ever.