Edgar Allan Poe If i don't remember wrong Korra did have a better character development, but still zuko is the better between the non protagonist characters.
korra had a negative character development. Dont even bring her up when someone is talking about character development. Youre probably the only person Ill ever see who says that she had some of it.
You know, Shane, even kids can show signs of sociopathy at an early age. Serial Killers are just like that. Killed the family cat, cut open a bird and showed it to their parents, set the baby's room on fire, stuff like that. Azula has a lot of those qualities while also being raised by her ruthless father, Ozai. So, yeah, an evil child isn't that "cartoonishly dumb."
yeah, I'm all for fair criticism but saying that children can't be bad or evil and have those things reinforced and get put into a very difficult to get out of mindset is just wrong. Most things about who you are come from when you're about that age.
THIS IS WRONG most serial killers are not sociopaths or psychopaths. They are normal people with obsessions. Most sociopaths and Psychopaths are just immoral business people .
I think it's shortsighted to say its completely nature or nurture that made Azula what she was. She clearly had some natural sociopathic tendencies, but she also lived in a culture that encouraged and nurtured those impulses to be seen as not only correct but exemplary of what a firebender should be. If Azula hadn't grown up in the Fascistic Fire Nation, she might have just ended up as a particularly douchey peasant. It's hard to say
"That's what mom's are like, if you mess with their babies…" "Everything I've done, I've done to protect you." The same night Ursa left, Firelord Azulon died. And he had just commanded Ozai to kill Zuko. Put the pieces together.
You guys all seemed to miss Ursa's line, "Remember, everything I've done, I've done for you Zuko." which is the biggest clue in the episode, was hoping Calvin would jump in and say something to direct the others to it.
The reason they turned away from Zuko is that people have a deep prejudice against the fire nation and now that those people found out that he's the heir to the thrown of a nation that has tortured the others for decades, they have a distrust towards him. It doesn't matter that he saved them or not, the belief that the fire nation is evil is rooted in their minds.
They keep forgetting that the Fire Nation has been killing people for a Hundred years. So we can go with an average Generation of being like 28 years between generations. So there have been generations knowing nothing but war.
And that's why I don't think you should judge it as a "children's cartoon"; ATLA is a family-oriented show which anyone can enjoy, and I don't think they ever tried to aim for a specific demographic as THE target audience...
It was a pretty dumb move when Zuko introduced himself as the prince of fire nation. Like what does he expect the people to feel. Of course they'd feel threatened.
@@GalvEnzo remember that Zuko was raised to believe that the war was the fire nation’s way of spreading their greatness to the rest of the world, he didn’t see it as a title of evil
Azula isn't cartoonish. She's actually a pretty accurate portrayal of a sociopath. Ozai was going to be punished by having his son killed. He used that as a bargaining chip against his wife. Save your son by killing the Fire Lord so I can rule. After she did this she had no choice but to exile herself. That's what was implied in this episode. Taking the kids with her would not have been an option.
totally agreed, for me is just the best character, even better than aang, the second one for me could be toph and then katara, but it is so hard to even make a "top best characters" cuz all of them are good, even azula or ozai
Moctezuma I've thought on this & it's possible to interpret Ozai's attitude toward Azula as textbook sexist - behaviorally, it seems Zuko takes after his mother; Azula takes after Ozai. Azula _is her father's daughter,_ Zuko _is his mother's son._
Edward Armstrong I mean, he still believes the Fire Nation to be superior, in his mind, it basically boils down to this: Fire Nation>Air Nomads=Water Tribes=Earth Kingdom
Aaron's discomfort is understandable, but it's also the point just as Eric suggests; the real strength of this episode is the raw, uncompromising honesty it gives about the cost of war and what it does to people. Not just the Earth Kingdom either, but Zuko who lost his mother because his uncle, Iroh lost his son (leading to Ozai's usurping the throne), and so on... Just like having a sympathetic character like Zuko stealing the ostrich-horse from Song (who along with her mother was generous to him and Iroh), the actions of the villagers are absolutely meant to feel heart-wrenching and wrong, yet understandable in the context. And this is why ATLA won the Peabody Award for "Unusually Complex Characters and Exploration of the Consequences of Warfare" (something along those lines, anyway).
The thing with Azula is that she makes being evil look so good. That's why she's so popular within the fandom. She's cunning, badass, intelligent, and spunky. I won't spoil anything, but there's definitely more to her than meets the eye. You'll see.
She's sociopathic and sociopathic villians are very charismatic, so it isn't surprising, but interesting how villians and heros has nothing to do with popularity.
@@blackmanwhitesuit Is she really sociopathic? She recognized that she hurt Ty Lee's feelings at the house party, and when she went to go get Zuko from there old beach house she seemed to be able to sympathize with him. She definitely has mental issues that steems from her mother though.
For the fire nation, the only barrier for women who are not royalty is the military. All the forces sent to the other nations are made up of men. Women may serve in domestic forces, like the police or security guards. But there have been female fire lords in the past; it is actually encouraged for princesses to participate in politics and military affairs. One could say that Ozai wanted Azula as his heir all this time, but couldn't revoke Zuko's right as firstborn, not without probable cause (being weaker is not a good enough reason). Zuko speaking out of term and refusing to fight was the excuse Ozai needed to get him out of the picture and make Azula his heir.
spoilers for korra below: i thought the only known female fire lord was Izumi? or is that the only one specifically named and others were definitely there but just unnamed?
I think Ozai favoring Azula in addition to her being more talented is that she is a second born like him. As we saw in this episode Azalong favored Iroh (his first born). I always figured Ozai taking his frustrations of Iroh's favoritism against Zuko (his first born) on at least a subconscious level. If you notice Zuko spent a lot of time with his mother and he is more compassionate like her, while Azula lacks those qualities, which hints Ozai spends more time molding her into his perfect heir. It is sort of similar to the situation in Game of Thrones with Sam, his dad, and his brother.
@@miepmiep4010 it also has to do with the fact that in the book the search it's stated that ozai nearly had zuko killed young because he didn't display fire bending skills very early on and ozai didn't want a first born to be a non bender, then it doesn't help that azula could fire bend before zuko and ursa also lied to ozai about zuko not being his child which in order to spite her he started treating him like he wasn't because ursa wished that zuko was from her past relationship.
The hatred for Zuko is entirely understandable. And I mean to think, Zuko is not only a firebender, but actually prince of the Fire Nation. I don't think that kid really hated Zuko though. Zuko was like a big brother to him for a little bit, but he hates the Fire Nation and everything they've done, he doesn't really hate Zuko, he hates the Fire Nation, and that was his chance to say how he, this poor kid, lost his brother to the war, really felt about everything. He said "I hate you" right to Zuko, but I feel that was more his anger towards how he feels about the war.
Azula is a product of her father, just as Zuko is a product of his mother. I will say that at this point in the series, I don't think I cared too much for Azula either, but she ended up being one of my favorite characters by the series' end. Give her time.
NiaBaNiaMaNia That is fair. I enjoy chaotic evil characters by default. So i guess it was easier for me to get into her character. I just hope they can look past the idea that pure evil characters are bad by default. Since I really enjoyed how they presented Azula in this.
@@Sauron17011 her being a terrible person doesn't mean she is a badly written character , she's still one of the best written characters that i've ever seen
Yeah most people love Azula for many reasons.....none of those reasons are because her as a person. Nope not at all. Hannibal Lector is great villain along with Freddy Krueger, neither have any redeeming qualities as people. Same with Azula....surprisingly similar actually......
My favourite character is Azula though.. I mean at this point of the show yes, she's pretty much pure evil AHAH but on the whole scope of the show I think she's just misunderstood and holds back what she really feels bc of the way she was brought up seeing her father. I would mainly blame her father for her misbehaviour.
People like Hannibal lecter but I’m sure they can all admit he is pure evil...Most Azula fans however would get on this high-horse of how it was because “her mother didn’t love her”, and their favorite line,”watch the psychology of Azula”...lmao
Ozai was going to kill his Only son , Zuko's Mom knew the plan and planned to save Zuko by killing Fire Lord Azulan , hence she was banished for indirectly being a Traitor
I think the main point for the town turning on Zuko was the fact that he revealed he was part of the royal family. In their eyes he's directly responsible for their suffering. Also, regarding Azula, I agree that she is one of the more one-dimensional characters in the show, but she has moments that display just how clever and powerful she is that cement her as a great villain.
I feel she's pretty three dimensional but only those who see her bad traits and refuse to read between the lines see her as one dimensional. I can't explain without going into spoilers but there are many times where Azula shows that she can be vulnerable and using cruelty is her only way of surviving without breaking like Zuko is starting to.
Just because a character is one dimensional doesn’t mean they have to be flat. Azula, for sometime can be argued as such, she may be pure evil but it is written so well that it’s like maleficent (we love to hate them)
One thing I see them seeming to forget is that this War has been going on for a hundred years. That adds a huge amount of anger and hatred to all sides.
@@stark8837 Lol did someone delete a comment that you were responding to? Because uhh while I heartily agree that shipping those two would be fucking nasty, I don't at ALL think that's what OP meant, lol
Azula is kinda like frieza or voldermort, you like them for their power, azula isnt grey guys, shes all black meaning there isnt any redeeming qualities, pure villain though not complex...yet
jack happ Bunnitt W I can see why they don't like her I do but they only got to see Azula in like three episodes she doesn't give off a likable vibe so I think they will like her over time
I just can't understand how someone can hate Azula. I mean I can but I can't at the same time. She is such a fun and awesome character to hate that hating her is just fun. Does that make sense? I don't know. My point is that I really like Azula as a character and as an antagonist. She's awesome and not as "clearly" evil as some think she is imo.
same shes like the entitled royal person except she is actually capable and not a useless rich person that bosses people around, shes worthy of her title
i think it's because they haven't seen Azula be a powerful, capable bender to the extent that we have, and they can't sympathize with Azula because they haven't gotten to know Mai and Ty Lee. When they get to know more about Azula and why she is the way she is i think they'll enjoy her character more.
I just can't understand how someone can like Azula apart from liking to hate her. She is pure evil, always has been and always will be throughout the show. I don't know what you guys were watching but I have seen the whole show several times and as far as I can tell she has no redeeming qualities and there is never any explanation given for her behavior other than that she is a sadist.
The people who helped zuko probably thought zuko was a spy or something, they're just confused, sad and angry that their son is gone, the dad left and the fact that they just TOOK CARE OF THE PRINCE OF THE FIRE NATION without knowing it, they judged him in the heat of the moment, pun intended, so while it was wrong from our perspective, its still justified and reasonable for them to hate on zuko, especially since zukos family is the reason they are suffering in the first place
Are they saying that Azula is a bad character or that they just don't like her? When they complain that she isn't like Zuko it's weird because she was never said to be like him and Zuko explained that she was like his opposite in season 1 before she was even introduced. I doubt anybody wants to be friends with Azula but she's still one of my favorite characters from the show
Does anybody else find it endearing that when Zuko first heard that Iroh was coming back to the Fire Nation that his first thought was that they won the war? He had to have held Iroh in high esteem, thinking he would see the war through to the end
Lol remember back in "The Avatar State" when Zuko lashed out at Iroh and said he was always jealous of his brother? Welp, guess he was wrong, because it appears that Ozai was the jealous one. Now, apologize Zuko!! Iroh laid siege on Ba Sing Se for 600 days until of course, his son tragically died
While watching their analysis of the episodes, I always have the urge to sit there while they watch it so someone could correct them and bring up points they may not have thought about before about the episode and the show. And I also just want to tell them why Azula is such an awesome character (without giving anything away).
AAAARGHHHHH they didnt pay any attention when the show said how long Iroh was at Ba Sing Se. It wasn't a 100 days it was 600 days. Iroh was there for almost two years thats what makes the siege even more impressive on both sides.
She doesn't really have redeeming qualities other than being young and being pretty. Otherwise, she's EXACTLY like her dad. She's cruel, sadistic, manipulative, and will do anything to boost their ego and bring glory to their family name. That isn't to say she CAN'T be redeemed some day. As I said, she's still young. It just doesn't show in the series proper. Her breaking down and crying when things stop going her way doesn't count as a redeeming quality. It's just something that's sad.
Edward Gil I was about to post this same thing. I do think that Azula comes to realize that she’s missing something. We see this in The Beach, where she tries and fails to act like a human being. We also get a sense of her anger with her mother and the corresponding jealousy she feels for Zuko. These things deepen and help explain her character but they don’t redeem her.
when Iroh lost his son being a King and a General no longer meant anything. No one to spoil, no grandchildren or great grandchildren to spoil. you could tell by later episodes that he was only ever attracted to leadership because his son loved soldiering and fighting. When he had no children left to share the hobby of war with he lost interest in it.
@@Bdots44 look it up, Azula is younger than Zuko, in fact she is extremely young, which is often forgotten when assessing her character, she is a young teenager, who devoted her entire life to fullfill her fathers wishes. I find it strange how she is described by most as a pure evil character without redeeming qualitys, she is a product of a mentally abusive father.
i think with the kid is that his whole life he's had this view that the fire nation is the ultimate evil that the village and his brother are fighting. im guessing the kid has never seen a fire nation soldier before and all of a sudden he now has a physical outlet for all his anger and hate that is zuko.
Vaslui I can't answer for them but what I can say is that personally I don't like Azula either (although I am only 1 episode ahead of BW, so that could change). But I do love to hate the other 2 characters you mentioned. But I would say the biggest reason for that is their performances as actors. I think both did amazing jobs and I personally can never get the same feelings that I get from a live action actors performance from a Animated show. And for Joffery specifically I feel like there was actually some reason for the way he behaved ( the whole incest thing, the way his mom fucked with his head basically telling him the king can do whatever he wants etc.) which made it better. At least right now I don't think they've done enough to show why Azula might actually be like that. These are just my thoughts on the subject though, sorry if this was all over the place.
Capraminus Well, i'm not gonna spoild you if you haven't watched it yet but Azula becames one of the best characters of the show, l think that if you don't like her now you are probably not gonna like her until season 3. By the way, in this episode they gave us the reason she is how she is: his father; so her evilness didn't come from nowhere.
Azula was raised by a dictator (her father), she is a Princess, treated literally like Royalty, her nation is the most advanced in the world and was born with the potential to be one of the most powerful firebenders. There alone is enough reason for her to feel superior and lack empathy with others.
Well, Joffrey and Ramsay were not perfect, maybe that's why. Joffrey was too far from perfection, a coward and so shameful stupid little brat that it was even funny to see. Ramsay was like TOTALLY crazy, but like those crazy people you really have to put a straitjacket on and lock in a quilted room. a masochistic in the literal and most strict sense of the world. Azula, though i love her, isn't that layered as they are.. but i do think she is more complex than they think, and VERY entertaining to watch and analyze, that's a thing i love a lot about her. But also i don't think they have got to see enough of her yet.
Capraminus this could be potential spoilers but i doubt it azula also plays a really big role in season 2 as well, and it made me realize how much of a threat she can be outside of combat as well, she more than just a skilled fighter, its kinda scary how much she can accomplish with just her words
I enjoy so much this but why you keep looking to azula for redemption story line? What we love about her is that she es evil. Just that. The perfect evil character that doesn't have this weakenes
I think they'll understand with time, and hopefully in hindsight they'll realise that Azula at this point is MEANT to be a more straight-up evil character - she's a foil to Zuko, both in being more competent than him and in lacking his more sympathetic, redeemable qualities (for now, anyway).
I thought the implication was that Ursa, not Ozai, killed Azulon to protect Zuko. Speaking of demonizing the enemy, something to keep in mind is that they've been at war for 100 years. Their whole lives the Fire Nation has been their enemies.
Right. You can't undo 100 years of war with one good deed. The Fire Nation has destroyed families and taken land from the Earth Kingdom. People don't forget and forgive that easily.
Ursa did kill Azulon after ordering Ozai to kill Zuko due to the former's attempt to usurp Iroh's birthright, Azulon himself was murdered after Ursa, made a deal with Ozai and provided him with a poisonous substance, which was used to end Azulon's life.
Just now seeing that the lady who’s was pregnant that Zuko stopped from killing was the same lady who appeared in 2 more episode later on with the baby named hope
I can relate to not liking certain villains at all. But more the villains who are just nuisances in power, who aren't necessarily grand on their own, but they just screw things up just because they're in a position to and they like it. What entices me personally about Azula is that she can back up all her BS on her own. Unlike simply self-indulgent villains, mostly what she does always has a purpose (capturing, manipulating, unnerving etc.), and she pulls it all off with a high level of skill and cleverness so that no one can just say she just talks big or abuses some political/social power. And no one can say she doesn't deserve her position since she is doing what she has to on her own steam. Her power is clearly hers and isn't something she didn't earn for herself. No other person can grant her that badassery, even if she was born with great firebending affinity. All things considered, I've seen far worse and hateable villains/antagonizers in things such as Game of Thrones, where fully grown little shits do shit things cause they like being shitty, and are not really remarkable in any other way; ie. they don't work for the money. "Villains" like Zuko or Snape are types who frankly, didn't ever stand as "bad guys" to me, just loose/temporary antagonists who weren't necessarily with the established "big bad" in the first place. Someone like Zhao was more of a villain, and was arguably the actual villain in season one, and was underwhelming due to not being that impressive on his own. He was definitely bad in his resolve to destroy the moon, but the threat he posed was limited. He was a non-threatening villain, and therefore the suspense of him being a villain wasn't there either. It wasn't about "can they beat Zhao?", but "when and who's gonna beat Zhao?" Azula isn't like that, and makes the viewers who acknowledge her abilities fear for the safety of certain characters.
Zuko was not just a fire nation citizen or someone who had fought in the war. He was the prince, his great-grandfather started the war and every generation since then has keept it going. I think that if he was not fire nation royalty, the family would have reacted a bit different.
Azula will always be my favorite character, i will always wonder what season 4 would have been after her downfall. She is largely a product of her environment, which i always find so fascinating. She never had any love, No Iroh, Her mom was always cold to her, the only way she ever gained affection was making her father proud, which meant emulating his ideology. I find her infinitely fascinating as a character.
I love these discussions that you have at the end of the videos. You do more than just watch and comment on the actual episodes, you dive in deep and break down everything, getting into the cultural bits and relating it to present events.
This episode solidly established that Azula was always cruel and manipulative and even as a child derived joy from hurting others and seeing them suffering. She's only become more cunning since which just makes her more dangerous.
To put it into context, Eric, Ozai was basically the Fire Nation's Tommen before Iroh's son died. Oh, and Iroh's siege lasted 600 days, so quite a long time to get through the first wall.
They missed a key fact to why Zuko's mom left. Azulan said that Ozai needs to experience the same pain Iroh went through with his son because ozai disrespected azulon and iroh
Love this episode, Zuko is my favorite! And yeah, unfortunately the way the village reacted was very believable, especially since it was a small one. People today, in the real world, judge others without context all the time, because of race, religion etc
Zuko's Mom (Ursa) IS the one who killed Azulon. She worked with Ozi and that night they basically committed a cou, but the mother had to go cause she was the one who would've been blamed. Basically she did some bad things than had to go in order to save Zuko's life from Azulon who would've made, Ozi suffer the same fate as Iroh, losing your first born.
What happened to Zuko's mother is explained in of the comic books that takes place after the series finale. The comic is called "Avatar: The Last Airbender, The Search Pt. 1-3," just so you know. 😉
I know these guys don’t really like Azula because of her attitude and the way she treats Zuko. But watching this as a kid I couldn’t help it like her, That might be partly because I had a huge crush on her like every guy my age did when this came out. I still find her a very good character, though.
I love the fact that they get into detail. I watched this as a child but never really got the story or noticed the detail that this series has. You guys are just awesome!!!!!!!
Azula was raised by a dictator (her father), she is a Princess, treated literally like Royalty, her nation is the most advanced in the world and was born with the potential to be one of the most powerful firebenders. There alone is enough reason for her to feel superior and lack empathy with others. Do you think Hitler or Stalin's children would likely to be sympathetic people? lol.
Azula's one of those Characters where you either love her or hate her. You hate her? That's perfectly cool! Just another reason to root for Aang & Friends!
I think that the Fire Nation and Kyoshi Island are pretty much the only places with equal gender rights. Kyoshi Island may actually be a matriarchy even.
loloz707 I think The Fire Nation were the good guys in general. Not the old one that committed genocide but rather the new one under Ozai's administration. They were not perfect but clearly the good guys.
I've read enough fanfiction to know that most fans consider the title of Firelord originally was appointed by the Fire Sages but later became hereditary. This isn't confirmed canon but it's headcanon for me and most other nerds who enjoy this sort of thing :P
I've been waiting for you guys to get to this one, it's (like Calvin said too) one of my favorites in the whole series! Zuko is an amazing character, and I can't wait for you guys to see the rest of his arc.
I wish we could have seen what the dad and the brother thought of Zuko. I think it would have been more powerful if they had returned and they had rejected him too. The dad defended him the whole episode.
Small often missed detail is that the knife that was Iroh's gift to Zuko was actually introduced in the Season 2 Premier and was used to cut off their buns at the end of the episode.
2:13 that thing is not a Tauntaun! It's an ostrich horse LOL. also that field with the giant coins is the same field that Wan traveled on more than nine Millennia ago.
a. You shouldn't act so upset they don't remember what they're called without at least reminding them that those have been seen and referred to before. b. That's a spoiler.
Ursa was subsequently banished from the Fire Nation Capital for treason for murdering Azulon. She returned to her hometown, where she rekindled her relationship with her old boyfriend, Ikem. In order to lead a normal life again, she requested that the Mother of Faces grant her an entirely new face and identity while also wiping all of her memories relating to her life with Ozai as a Fire Nation princess.
Yeah... I wouldn't look for redeeming qualities in Azula. She's not really meant to have any. This is one of my favourite episodes. Zuko is one of the most complex characters in any show, and this episode just emphasizes why.
Oh most certainly. I can't see why they don't like her, but that is not to say I have a problem with it. Other than Shane foolishly saying his "cartoonishly dumb" comment. That was just ignorant.
The Fire Nation is actually by far the least sexist nation still around, if it were not for the whole war thing and messed up ideologies the Fire Nation would be the most enlightenedt state in the world in many aspects, sort of similar to europe, during the late 19th century. Zukos blade was also used when they cut their hair, I love such small continuityies, which are not necessary, but cool if you notice them. The creators of the series said that they consider Katara the deuteragonist, but I respectfully disagree, it is Zuko, he argueable receives more individual focus than Aang and you can not really consider him the antagonist for the series as a whole.
Max Mustermann I see it like this Aang and Zuko are the protagonists (because it's obvious the show is mainly about their story) then Katara comes as the deuteragonist. :)
Zuko did litterally say he's heir to the throne, like he's proud of it. If a guy who helped me turned out to be not only firenation, but a PROUD PRINCE aswell, i'd hate him too.
***** TFS gets millions of views and they are okay with reaction videos. So I'm sure Blindwave won't hurt them. TFS also doesn't make money on DBZA. It's a Non-profit fanbased parody. They do make money from merch and patreon. But not the actual views.
as to the question of What happened to Zuko's mom there are many comic arcs that are canon and take place after the show's finale and the second comic arc is called The Search and it answers the question
You like what you like and there's nothing wrong with that. I will say people like Azula for the same reason people like the Joker, or Hannibal Lector or any other number of villains. They don't necessarily have any redeeming qualities but their intelligence and ability to manipulate make them great villains. As far as Azula goes, as far as what you would know about her as of this episode it's important to note that while Zuko's mother favored and sheltered him, Azula had the "fortune" of being born the prodigy and having her fathers attention. Characters like Zuko are great for their grey morality and conflict for sure, but if every character or even villain was like Zuko that wouldn't be good either. Sometimes you have people who are just bad. Great observations and points though, I think it's good to keep in mind real world situations and how deeply prejudice, hate and fear can infect people of all kinds. Justified or not.
Zuko is an example of character development done right.
TheOriginalLuffy W
Edgar Allan Poe If i don't remember wrong Korra did have a better character development, but still zuko is the better between the non protagonist characters.
Not done right, done *perfect*
Edgar Allan Poe That's arguable but I won't say much because spoilers
korra had a negative character development. Dont even bring her up when someone is talking about character development. Youre probably the only person Ill ever see who says that she had some of it.
You know, Shane, even kids can show signs of sociopathy at an early age. Serial Killers are just like that. Killed the family cat, cut open a bird and showed it to their parents, set the baby's room on fire, stuff like that. Azula has a lot of those qualities while also being raised by her ruthless father, Ozai. So, yeah, an evil child isn't that "cartoonishly dumb."
yeah, I'm all for fair criticism but saying that children can't be bad or evil and have those things reinforced and get put into a very difficult to get out of mindset is just wrong. Most things about who you are come from when you're about that age.
THIS IS WRONG most serial killers are not sociopaths or psychopaths. They are normal people with obsessions. Most sociopaths and Psychopaths are just immoral business people .
I think it's shortsighted to say its completely nature or nurture that made Azula what she was. She clearly had some natural sociopathic tendencies, but she also lived in a culture that encouraged and nurtured those impulses to be seen as not only correct but exemplary of what a firebender should be. If Azula hadn't grown up in the Fascistic Fire Nation, she might have just ended up as a particularly douchey peasant. It's hard to say
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Being a sociopath or psychopath doesn't mean you're a serial killer. Js
"That's what mom's are like, if you mess with their babies…"
"Everything I've done, I've done to protect you."
The same night Ursa left, Firelord Azulon died. And he had just commanded Ozai to kill Zuko. Put the pieces together.
Spoiler
@@gengible Not a spoiler if it's explicitly said in the episode lol
Omg... She killed the old firelord O_O
She made poison and give it to Ozai.. so tecnically she didn't? Kinda help.
@Kathrina ._. Yep, She did it.
You guys all seemed to miss Ursa's line, "Remember, everything I've done, I've done for you Zuko." which is the biggest clue in the episode, was hoping Calvin would jump in and say something to direct the others to it.
Calvin would not give away any spoilers, he just listens to what they say and judges them right or watches them in silence XD
But that wouldn't be a spoiler cuz it was implied in that episode
Nah Calvin's just letting them figure it out as they go along.
He didnt wanna spoil anything duh
@@KevSB07 no it wasnt
The reason they turned away from Zuko is that people have a deep prejudice against the fire nation and now that those people found out that he's the heir to the thrown of a nation that has tortured the others for decades, they have a distrust towards him. It doesn't matter that he saved them or not, the belief that the fire nation is evil is rooted in their minds.
They keep forgetting that the Fire Nation has been killing people for a Hundred years. So we can go with an average Generation of being like 28 years between generations. So there have been generations knowing nothing but war.
And that's why I don't think you should judge it as a "children's cartoon"; ATLA is a family-oriented show which anyone can enjoy, and I don't think they ever tried to aim for a specific demographic as THE target audience...
@@borjankosarac3645 ^ They clearly aimed for children *at first*, but once you reach Book 2, I agree - it's clearly a show for all ages to enjoy.
It was a pretty dumb move when Zuko introduced himself as the prince of fire nation. Like what does he expect the people to feel. Of course they'd feel threatened.
@@GalvEnzo remember that Zuko was raised to believe that the war was the fire nation’s way of spreading their greatness to the rest of the world, he didn’t see it as a title of evil
Azula isn't cartoonish. She's actually a pretty accurate portrayal of a sociopath.
Ozai was going to be punished by having his son killed. He used that as a bargaining chip against his wife. Save your son by killing the Fire Lord so I can rule. After she did this she had no choice but to exile herself. That's what was implied in this episode. Taking the kids with her would not have been an option.
Zuko has one of the best stories line and one of the best developing characters though the series.
totally agreed, for me is just the best character, even better than aang, the second one for me could be toph and then katara, but it is so hard to even make a "top best characters" cuz all of them are good, even azula or ozai
I've seen a lot of cartoons attempt to reform and redeem their villains; but, none of them have done it as well as Avatar.
The one good thing about Ozai and his fire nation policies is that he is not sexist. That is literally it.
He's also not racist, everyone gets conquered equally. lol
Edward Armstrong EVERYONE GETS CONQUERED EQUALLY IM DEAD OMG
Moctezuma I've thought on this & it's possible to interpret Ozai's attitude toward Azula as textbook sexist - behaviorally, it seems Zuko takes after his mother; Azula takes after Ozai. Azula _is her father's daughter,_ Zuko _is his mother's son._
As if that mattered in the slightest.
Edward Armstrong I mean, he still believes the Fire Nation to be superior, in his mind, it basically boils down to this:
Fire Nation>Air Nomads=Water Tribes=Earth Kingdom
Aaron's discomfort is understandable, but it's also the point just as Eric suggests; the real strength of this episode is the raw, uncompromising honesty it gives about the cost of war and what it does to people. Not just the Earth Kingdom either, but Zuko who lost his mother because his uncle, Iroh lost his son (leading to Ozai's usurping the throne), and so on... Just like having a sympathetic character like Zuko stealing the ostrich-horse from Song (who along with her mother was generous to him and Iroh), the actions of the villagers are absolutely meant to feel heart-wrenching and wrong, yet understandable in the context.
And this is why ATLA won the Peabody Award for "Unusually Complex Characters and Exploration of the Consequences of Warfare" (something along those lines, anyway).
The thing with Azula is that she makes being evil look so good. That's why she's so popular within the fandom. She's cunning, badass, intelligent, and spunky. I won't spoil anything, but there's definitely more to her than meets the eye. You'll see.
She's sociopathic and sociopathic villians are very charismatic, so it isn't surprising, but interesting how villians and heros has nothing to do with popularity.
Dark As Night Azula looking attractive to ppl ain’t hurt either
Dark As Night she is 1 dimentional for the most part, she is not badass she is just like that god from Wonder Woman
She trash
@@blackmanwhitesuit Is she really sociopathic? She recognized that she hurt Ty Lee's feelings at the house party, and when she went to go get Zuko from there old beach house she seemed to be able to sympathize with him. She definitely has mental issues that steems from her mother though.
For the fire nation, the only barrier for women who are not royalty is the military. All the forces sent to the other nations are made up of men. Women may serve in domestic forces, like the police or security guards. But there have been female fire lords in the past; it is actually encouraged for princesses to participate in politics and military affairs. One could say that Ozai wanted Azula as his heir all this time, but couldn't revoke Zuko's right as firstborn, not without probable cause (being weaker is not a good enough reason). Zuko speaking out of term and refusing to fight was the excuse Ozai needed to get him out of the picture and make Azula his heir.
spoilers for korra below:
i thought the only known female fire lord was Izumi? or is that the only one specifically named and others were definitely there but just unnamed?
@Michael Hewitt-Clarke oh ok thanks! I saw on the wiki that there had been but I wasn't sure if it said that just for Izumi. good to know
I think Ozai favoring Azula in addition to her being more talented is that she is a second born like him. As we saw in this episode Azalong favored Iroh (his first born). I always figured Ozai taking his frustrations of Iroh's favoritism against Zuko (his first born) on at least a subconscious level. If you notice Zuko spent a lot of time with his mother and he is more compassionate like her, while Azula lacks those qualities, which hints Ozai spends more time molding her into his perfect heir. It is sort of similar to the situation in Game of Thrones with Sam, his dad, and his brother.
Flame of Udun Thanks. I'm not going to lie I couldn't remember his name.
Huh... I never really thought of that. It would make sense that Ozai would favour Azula for that reason though...
The only reason Ozai favored her is because she skilled I think. He doesn't actually care about her he just wants to use her power
@@miepmiep4010 it also has to do with the fact that in the book the search it's stated that ozai nearly had zuko killed young because he didn't display fire bending skills very early on and ozai didn't want a first born to be a non bender, then it doesn't help that azula could fire bend before zuko and ursa also lied to ozai about zuko not being his child which in order to spite her he started treating him like he wasn't because ursa wished that zuko was from her past relationship.
exactly it makes so much sense and I love that the show shows that
The hatred for Zuko is entirely understandable. And I mean to think, Zuko is not only a firebender, but actually prince of the Fire Nation. I don't think that kid really hated Zuko though. Zuko was like a big brother to him for a little bit, but he hates the Fire Nation and everything they've done, he doesn't really hate Zuko, he hates the Fire Nation, and that was his chance to say how he, this poor kid, lost his brother to the war, really felt about everything. He said "I hate you" right to Zuko, but I feel that was more his anger towards how he feels about the war.
Azula is a product of her father, just as Zuko is a product of his mother. I will say that at this point in the series, I don't think I cared too much for Azula either, but she ended up being one of my favorite characters by the series' end. Give her time.
NiaBaNiaMaNia That is fair. I enjoy chaotic evil characters by default. So i guess it was easier for me to get into her character. I just hope they can look past the idea that pure evil characters are bad by default. Since I really enjoyed how they presented Azula in this.
@@Sauron17011 its not about being a fan of her but being interested in her and her psychology.
@@Sauron17011 her being a terrible person doesn't mean she is a badly written character , she's still one of the best written characters that i've ever seen
@@Sauron17011 understandable
But she's also a product of her mother in a way. She felt neglected by her mother the same way that Zuko is neglected by his father.
It's nice to see Iro laugh like that, even in a flashback.
Well he does laugh almost exactly like that in the next episode.
and even if it's about invading and submitting an entire city full of innocent people lol
Yeah most people love Azula for many reasons.....none of those reasons are because her as a person. Nope not at all. Hannibal Lector is great villain along with Freddy Krueger, neither have any redeeming qualities as people. Same with Azula....surprisingly similar actually......
I do like her as a person though.
My favourite character is Azula though.. I mean at this point of the show yes, she's pretty much pure evil AHAH but on the whole scope of the show I think she's just misunderstood and holds back what she really feels bc of the way she was brought up seeing her father. I would mainly blame her father for her misbehaviour.
Book hannibal lecter does
People like Hannibal lecter but I’m sure they can all admit he is pure evil...Most Azula fans however would get on this high-horse of how it was because “her mother didn’t love her”, and their favorite line,”watch the psychology of Azula”...lmao
Azula's character is so freaking deep. One of my favorite antagonists in cartoons
Ozai was going to kill his Only son , Zuko's Mom knew the plan and planned to save Zuko by killing Fire Lord Azulan , hence she was banished for indirectly being a Traitor
This is like the only comment mentioning this, i thought this was obvious.
I think the main point for the town turning on Zuko was the fact that he revealed he was part of the royal family. In their eyes he's directly responsible for their suffering. Also, regarding Azula, I agree that she is one of the more one-dimensional characters in the show, but she has moments that display just how clever and powerful she is that cement her as a great villain.
AjrafC you get a little of her with "The Beach" and the end of the series, but you only really get anything else in Legend of Korra
She's hardly one-dimensional. She could have been developed more thoroughly but there's a lot more to her than just crazy.
I feel she's pretty three dimensional but only those who see her bad traits and refuse to read between the lines see her as one dimensional. I can't explain without going into spoilers but there are many times where Azula shows that she can be vulnerable and using cruelty is her only way of surviving without breaking like Zuko is starting to.
SPOILER ALERT!!!!!
To be fair, at this point she is pretty one dimensional. Her character development only comes later on.
Just because a character is one dimensional doesn’t mean they have to be flat. Azula, for sometime can be argued as such, she may be pure evil but it is written so well that it’s like maleficent (we love to hate them)
One thing I see them seeming to forget is that this War has been going on for a hundred years. That adds a huge amount of anger and hatred to all sides.
Anyone pointed out that you can see Azula near Zhao in the season 1 flashback where Zuko gets burned? Both of them smiling.
Chris Andreev What's your problem?
Chris Andreev uh I don’t think that’s what they were going with that
Chris Andreev he meant that azula and Zhao smiled at a suffering zuko
@@stark8837 Lol did someone delete a comment that you were responding to? Because uhh while I heartily agree that shipping those two would be fucking nasty, I don't at ALL think that's what OP meant, lol
@@stark8837 Lol, looks like you were the only one who had such fantasies😂.
Azula is kinda like frieza or voldermort, you like them for their power, azula isnt grey guys, shes all black meaning there isnt any redeeming qualities, pure villain though not complex...yet
But she IS Grey.
...Grey DeLisle.
jack happ Bunnitt W I can see why they don't like her I do but they only got to see Azula in like three episodes she doesn't give off a likable vibe so I think they will like her over time
not every character has to likable.
the siege of Ba Sing Se lasted 600 days yall
I just can't understand how someone can hate Azula. I mean I can but I can't at the same time. She is such a fun and awesome character to hate that hating her is just fun. Does that make sense? I don't know. My point is that I really like Azula as a character and as an antagonist. She's awesome and not as "clearly" evil as some think she is imo.
same shes like the entitled royal person except she is actually capable and not a useless rich person that bosses people around, shes worthy of her title
Well at this point, the Blind Wave crew haven't seen her character development yet. So it's understandable to think she's one-dimensional.
i think it's because they haven't seen Azula be a powerful, capable bender to the extent that we have, and they can't sympathize with Azula because they haven't gotten to know Mai and Ty Lee. When they get to know more about Azula and why she is the way she is i think they'll enjoy her character more.
Flame of Udun You're being unfairly narrow-minded about their perceived narrow-mindedness.
I just can't understand how someone can like Azula apart from liking to hate her. She is pure evil, always has been and always will be throughout the show. I don't know what you guys were watching but I have seen the whole show several times and as far as I can tell she has no redeeming qualities and there is never any explanation given for her behavior other than that she is a sadist.
The people who helped zuko probably thought zuko was a spy or something, they're just confused, sad and angry that their son is gone, the dad left and the fact that they just TOOK CARE OF THE PRINCE OF THE FIRE NATION without knowing it, they judged him in the heat of the moment, pun intended, so while it was wrong from our perspective, its still justified and reasonable for them to hate on zuko, especially since zukos family is the reason they are suffering in the first place
Plus, 100 years of war. People have been prejudiced for lesser reasons.
Are they saying that Azula is a bad character or that they just don't like her? When they complain that she isn't like Zuko it's weird because she was never said to be like him and Zuko explained that she was like his opposite in season 1 before she was even introduced. I doubt anybody wants to be friends with Azula but she's still one of my favorite characters from the show
Does anybody else find it endearing that when Zuko first heard that Iroh was coming back to the Fire Nation that his first thought was that they won the war? He had to have held Iroh in high esteem, thinking he would see the war through to the end
Avatar is to this day my favorite show. Good Character Good Lore Good Combat Good Music Good plot Pacing
It's not the first time we can all hear Calvin's good singing! He needs to do more of that
Che_Borz Ikr I was taken aback
Fuck you for your icon. I threw my phone in fear of a spider on my screen.
fuck you, man.
Allison Cornell Babe don't be afraid and why didnt you call me so i can come over
Guess I shouldn't have fed the troll
The Chase / Bitter Work next week HYPE
Thunder...
Christopher Charles Really looking forward to the Chase, maybe they'll get a little more into Azula.
The Chase is one of my favorite episodes!
Starting with this episode is when Season 2 starts feeling like a western for a while.
Lol remember back in "The Avatar State" when Zuko lashed out at Iroh and said he was always jealous of his brother? Welp, guess he was wrong, because it appears that Ozai was the jealous one. Now, apologize Zuko!!
Iroh laid siege on Ba Sing Se for 600 days until of course, his son tragically died
this is a kind of spoiler
Darwin Hernández Me? Or....?
He meant StygianTraveler141 :)
Aurilion44 Oh! Whoops lol, I didn't see the other comment
StygianTraveler141Ahem, spoilers :)
StygianTraveler141 *TSK TSK*
While watching their analysis of the episodes, I always have the urge to sit there while they watch it so someone could correct them and bring up points they may not have thought about before about the episode and the show. And I also just want to tell them why Azula is such an awesome character (without giving anything away).
As far as it's shown the Fire nation is completely gender-equal. You'll see female soldiers and things as well.
The fire sages were all male though...I wondered about that. Perhaps they were segregated like the air nomads were in their temples.
AAAARGHHHHH they didnt pay any attention when the show said how long Iroh was at Ba Sing Se. It wasn't a 100 days it was 600 days. Iroh was there for almost two years thats what makes the siege even more impressive on both sides.
People: I don’t like how flawed Aang is throughout the series.
Also people: OMG Zuko is my most favorite character!!!
I've never heard anyone criticise Aang like that, not even once
@@maer_chen You have clearly never been in a conversation with a zutara shipper.
@@samuelwithers2221too true
Honestly I think azula does have redeeming qualities though I didn't think that until very late in the show.
She doesn't really have redeeming qualities other than being young and being pretty.
Otherwise, she's EXACTLY like her dad.
She's cruel, sadistic, manipulative, and will do anything to boost their ego and bring glory to their family name.
That isn't to say she CAN'T be redeemed some day. As I said, she's still young. It just doesn't show in the series proper. Her breaking down and crying when things stop going her way doesn't count as a redeeming quality. It's just something that's sad.
Edward Gil I was about to post this same thing. I do think that Azula comes to realize that she’s missing something. We see this in The Beach, where she tries and fails to act like a human being. We also get a sense of her anger with her mother and the corresponding jealousy she feels for Zuko. These things deepen and help explain her character but they don’t redeem her.
since iroh lost his son he treats zuko like his son and their relationship is super big and important to the both of them
when Iroh lost his son being a King and a General no longer meant anything. No one to spoil, no grandchildren or great grandchildren to spoil. you could tell by later episodes that he was only ever attracted to leadership because his son loved soldiering and fighting. When he had no children left to share the hobby of war with he lost interest in it.
If Zuko's mother left with the crown prince of the fire nation don't you think the entire nation would rise up to find them?
that and Ozai threatened to kill her and her children should she take any of them with her
William Beasley SPOILER!!!!!!!!!
Flame of Udun Someone did send them the novels in a fanmail once if I remember correctly.
Comic spoiler
He banished Ursa because he was afraid she would kill him, and kept the children as collateral to make sure she never returned
Zuko is 16 and Azula 14
Shipping Is Magic No way Azula has to be the same age
@@Bdots44 look it up, Azula is younger than Zuko, in fact she is extremely young, which is often forgotten when assessing her character, she is a young teenager, who devoted her entire life to fullfill her fathers wishes.
I find it strange how she is described by most as a pure evil character without redeeming qualitys, she is a product of a mentally abusive father.
i think with the kid is that his whole life he's had this view that the fire nation is the ultimate evil that the village and his brother are fighting. im guessing the kid has never seen a fire nation soldier before and all of a sudden he now has a physical outlet for all his anger and hate that is zuko.
I don't understand why they like Joffrey or Ramsay from GoT but they can't like Azulu
Vaslui I can't answer for them but what I can say is that personally I don't like Azula either (although I am only 1 episode ahead of BW, so that could change). But I do love to hate the other 2 characters you mentioned. But I would say the biggest reason for that is their performances as actors. I think both did amazing jobs and I personally can never get the same feelings that I get from a live action actors performance from a Animated show. And for Joffery specifically I feel like there was actually some reason for the way he behaved ( the whole incest thing, the way his mom fucked with his head basically telling him the king can do whatever he wants etc.) which made it better. At least right now I don't think they've done enough to show why Azula might actually be like that. These are just my thoughts on the subject though, sorry if this was all over the place.
Capraminus Well, i'm not gonna spoild you if you haven't watched it yet but Azula becames one of the best characters of the show, l think that if you don't like her now you are probably not gonna like her until season 3. By the way, in this episode they gave us the reason she is how she is: his father; so her evilness didn't come from nowhere.
Azula was raised by a dictator (her father), she is a Princess, treated literally like Royalty, her nation is the most advanced in the world and was born with the potential to be one of the most powerful firebenders. There alone is enough reason for her to feel superior and lack empathy with others.
Well, Joffrey and Ramsay were not perfect, maybe that's why. Joffrey was too far from perfection, a coward and so shameful stupid little brat that it was even funny to see. Ramsay was like TOTALLY crazy, but like those crazy people you really have to put a straitjacket on and lock in a quilted room. a masochistic in the literal and most strict sense of the world.
Azula, though i love her, isn't that layered as they are.. but i do think she is more complex than they think, and VERY entertaining to watch and analyze, that's a thing i love a lot about her. But also i don't think they have got to see enough of her yet.
Capraminus this could be potential spoilers but i doubt it
azula also plays a really big role in season 2 as well, and it made me realize how much of a threat she can be outside of combat as well, she more than just a skilled fighter, its kinda scary how much she can accomplish with just her words
I enjoy so much this but why you keep looking to azula for redemption story line? What we love about her is that she es evil. Just that. The perfect evil character that doesn't have this weakenes
I think they'll understand with time, and hopefully in hindsight they'll realise that Azula at this point is MEANT to be a more straight-up evil character - she's a foil to Zuko, both in being more competent than him and in lacking his more sympathetic, redeemable qualities (for now, anyway).
I thought the implication was that Ursa, not Ozai, killed Azulon to protect Zuko.
Speaking of demonizing the enemy, something to keep in mind is that they've been at war for 100 years. Their whole lives the Fire Nation has been their enemies.
Right. You can't undo 100 years of war with one good deed. The Fire Nation has destroyed families and taken land from the Earth Kingdom. People don't forget and forgive that easily.
Ursa did kill Azulon after ordering Ozai to kill Zuko due to the former's attempt to usurp Iroh's birthright, Azulon himself was murdered after Ursa, made a deal with Ozai and provided him with a poisonous substance, which was used to end Azulon's life.
Azula is literally the embodiment of pure evil. You're supposed to hate her. She's just that fucking awesome.
Just now seeing that the lady who’s was pregnant that Zuko stopped from killing was the same lady who appeared in 2 more episode later on with the baby named hope
I can relate to not liking certain villains at all. But more the villains who are just nuisances in power, who aren't necessarily grand on their own, but they just screw things up just because they're in a position to and they like it. What entices me personally about Azula is that she can back up all her BS on her own. Unlike simply self-indulgent villains, mostly what she does always has a purpose (capturing, manipulating, unnerving etc.), and she pulls it all off with a high level of skill and cleverness so that no one can just say she just talks big or abuses some political/social power. And no one can say she doesn't deserve her position since she is doing what she has to on her own steam. Her power is clearly hers and isn't something she didn't earn for herself. No other person can grant her that badassery, even if she was born with great firebending affinity. All things considered, I've seen far worse and hateable villains/antagonizers in things such as Game of Thrones, where fully grown little shits do shit things cause they like being shitty, and are not really remarkable in any other way; ie. they don't work for the money.
"Villains" like Zuko or Snape are types who frankly, didn't ever stand as "bad guys" to me, just loose/temporary antagonists who weren't necessarily with the established "big bad" in the first place. Someone like Zhao was more of a villain, and was arguably the actual villain in season one, and was underwhelming due to not being that impressive on his own. He was definitely bad in his resolve to destroy the moon, but the threat he posed was limited. He was a non-threatening villain, and therefore the suspense of him being a villain wasn't there either. It wasn't about "can they beat Zhao?", but "when and who's gonna beat Zhao?" Azula isn't like that, and makes the viewers who acknowledge her abilities fear for the safety of certain characters.
Zuko was not just a fire nation citizen or someone who had fought in the war. He was the prince, his great-grandfather started the war and every generation since then has keept it going. I think that if he was not fire nation royalty, the family would have reacted a bit different.
You are not supposed to like Joffrey, you are not supposed to like Azula. They are pure villains. Enjoy them for that.^^
Ironically, they like Joffrey.... that’s suspicious
Zuko is my favorite character so this was like one of my favorite episodes
Azula will always be my favorite character, i will always wonder what season 4 would have been after her downfall. She is largely a product of her environment, which i always find so fascinating. She never had any love, No Iroh, Her mom was always cold to her, the only way she ever gained affection was making her father proud, which meant emulating his ideology. I find her infinitely fascinating as a character.
I love these discussions that you have at the end of the videos. You do more than just watch and comment on the actual episodes, you dive in deep and break down everything, getting into the cultural bits and relating it to present events.
This episode solidly established that Azula was always cruel and manipulative and even as a child derived joy from hurting others and seeing them suffering. She's only become more cunning since which just makes her more dangerous.
Love this episode and it's character development. Good point on Iroh secretly watching zuko while sipping on tea
I recomend you to read the comics of Avatar after finishing the series, The Search, specifically talking, you'll find out about Zuko's mom there.
Love that final shot of him riding into the sunset
To put it into context, Eric, Ozai was basically the Fire Nation's Tommen before Iroh's son died.
Oh, and Iroh's siege lasted 600 days, so quite a long time to get through the first wall.
StygianTraveler141 No, Tommen. As in Tommen Baratheon, from Game of Thrones. Should've watched those reactions :P
They missed a key fact to why Zuko's mom left. Azulan said that Ozai needs to experience the same pain Iroh went through with his son because ozai disrespected azulon and iroh
Love this episode, Zuko is my favorite! And yeah, unfortunately the way the village reacted was very believable, especially since it was a small one. People today, in the real world, judge others without context all the time, because of race, religion etc
Zuko's Mom (Ursa) IS the one who killed Azulon. She worked with Ozi and that night they basically committed a cou, but the mother had to go cause she was the one who would've been blamed. Basically she did some bad things than had to go in order to save Zuko's life from Azulon who would've made, Ozi suffer the same fate as Iroh, losing your first born.
I shamelessly comes back to this vid just to hear 3sec of Calvin singing
I find Azula as a perfect villain she stick to showing how crazy a villain can be and that is scary which makes her a accurate villain.
I fell like Shane is trying to find everything wrong with the cartoon...
GLaDOS that's what u tend to do on a second viewing
Flame of Udun He's seen some episodes before at to me at least he seems to have seen this one before
+The WerewolfF This is his first time watching the series.
What happened to Zuko's mother is explained in of the comic books that takes place after the series finale. The comic is called "Avatar: The Last Airbender, The Search Pt. 1-3," just so you know. 😉
Calvin can really sing like really good
the fire nation have been at with with them for 100 years, i think a bit of animosity is understandable
I know these guys don’t really like Azula because of her attitude and the way she treats Zuko. But watching this as a kid I couldn’t help it like her, That might be partly because I had a huge crush on her like every guy my age did when this came out. I still find her a very good character, though.
This was probably one of my favorite episodes
I love the fact that they get into detail. I watched this as a child but never really got the story or noticed the detail that this series has. You guys are just awesome!!!!!!!
Dang it, your blind bandit reaction got blocked and I didn’t get to see how y’all reacted to Toph
oh damn this one is easily in my top 3 episodes of Atla
Azula was raised by a dictator (her father), she is a Princess, treated literally like Royalty, her nation is the most advanced in the world and was born with the potential to be one of the most powerful firebenders. There alone is enough reason for her to feel superior and lack empathy with others. Do you think Hitler or Stalin's children would likely to be sympathetic people? lol.
"I am Zuko prince of all saiyans and son of King Vegeta heir to the throne"
Thats what I heard
Azula's one of those Characters where you either love her or hate her. You hate her? That's perfectly cool! Just another reason to root for Aang & Friends!
Ghost Goku I love to hate her
Ghost Goku
I love how mentally unstable she is.
I think that the Fire Nation and Kyoshi Island are pretty much the only places with equal gender rights. Kyoshi Island may actually be a matriarchy even.
StygianTraveler141 Sup
Denis Safiev + at least Ozai isn't sexist
Ozai is awesome.
I think this calls for a "Not As Big Of A Jerk As You Could Have Been" award
loloz707 I think The Fire Nation were the good guys in general. Not the old one that committed genocide but rather the new one under Ozai's administration. They were not perfect but clearly the good guys.
I've read enough fanfiction to know that most fans consider the title of Firelord originally was appointed by the Fire Sages but later became hereditary. This isn't confirmed canon but it's headcanon for me and most other nerds who enjoy this sort of thing :P
I've been waiting for you guys to get to this one, it's (like Calvin said too) one of my favorites in the whole series! Zuko is an amazing character, and I can't wait for you guys to see the rest of his arc.
waking up after my food coma just in time for avatar is ideal
3:37 "Did he write a book about the art of war?" I freaking lost it when he said that!
2:43 same battlefield avatar wan died on
I wish we could have seen what the dad and the brother thought of Zuko. I think it would have been more powerful if they had returned and they had rejected him too. The dad defended him the whole episode.
600 day siege right? This is the second time they've said 100 days
Really enjoyed the discussion on this one guys. Great stuff
Yes! I've been waiting all evening for this!
Small often missed detail is that the knife that was Iroh's gift to Zuko was actually introduced in the Season 2 Premier and was used to cut off their buns at the end of the episode.
Why was the blind bandit not available for my country, it was the one that I was really looking forward to, kinda sad I won't get to see it
If you search "blind wave blind bandit" here on youtube you should find a few reuploads on different channels
2:13 that thing is not a Tauntaun! It's an ostrich horse LOL. also that field with the giant coins is the same field that Wan traveled on more than nine Millennia ago.
StygianTraveler141 wasn't much of one I just said there was a character named that
StygianTraveler141 ok fair enough. Sorry
a. You shouldn't act so upset they don't remember what they're called without at least reminding them that those have been seen and referred to before. b. That's a spoiler.
The siege of Ba Sing Se lasted 600 days.
Ursa was subsequently banished from the Fire Nation Capital for treason for murdering Azulon. She returned to her hometown, where she rekindled her relationship with her old boyfriend, Ikem. In order to lead a normal life again, she requested that the Mother of Faces grant her an entirely new face and identity while also wiping all of her memories relating to her life with Ozai as a Fire Nation princess.
Yeah... I wouldn't look for redeeming qualities in Azula. She's not really meant to have any.
This is one of my favourite episodes. Zuko is one of the most complex characters in any show, and this episode just emphasizes why.
I worked under the assumption that the farm dad viewed Zuko as an Earth Kingdom victim of a Fire Nation attack
Azula is one of the best villains on any show ever. I can't see why you don't like her. Or rather like her as a villain.
"best villains on any show ever" nooooo buddy noooooo
Oh most certainly. I can't see why they don't like her, but that is not to say I have a problem with it. Other than Shane foolishly saying his "cartoonishly dumb" comment. That was just ignorant.
I agree 100 percent
13:18 She's enjoyably evil. She was so cold and calculated and sometimes funny and powerful.
The Fire Nation is actually by far the least sexist nation still around, if it were not for the whole war thing and messed up ideologies the Fire Nation would be the most enlightenedt state in the world in many aspects, sort of similar to europe, during the late 19th century. Zukos blade was also used when they cut their hair, I love such small continuityies, which are not necessary, but cool if you notice them. The creators of the series said that they consider Katara the deuteragonist, but I respectfully disagree, it is Zuko, he argueable receives more individual focus than Aang and you can not really consider him the antagonist for the series as a whole.
Max Mustermann I see it like this Aang and Zuko are the protagonists (because it's obvious the show is mainly about their story) then
Katara comes as the deuteragonist. :)
Ever Beltrán
That makes so much sense, I was so confused about that quote and I did not even consider dual protagonists.
Max Mustermann Yeah, it's like Aang and Zuko are each side of of the same coin. :3
Zuko did litterally say he's heir to the throne, like he's proud of it.
If a guy who helped me turned out to be not only firenation, but a PROUD PRINCE aswell, i'd hate him too.
Also remember this war has being going for on 100 years ever since the fire nation massacred the air nomads
Azula has a descent into madness while Zuko has an ascent into sanity
Zuko reminds of Vegeta. Vegeta reminds me of the new DBZA episode that's online atm!!!
holy shit, thanks for telling me lol, i must have missed it on my sub feed somehow.
Heck, even Ben 10 has Kevin as their Vegeta!
***** TFS gets millions of views and they are okay with reaction videos. So I'm sure Blindwave won't hurt them.
TFS also doesn't make money on DBZA. It's a Non-profit fanbased parody. They do make money from merch and patreon. But not the actual views.
Ricardo Alvarez DB is a trendsetter. Toriyama made a huge impact on manga and anime.
Can't wait till they do it.
as to the question of What happened to Zuko's mom there are many comic arcs that are canon and take place after the show's finale and the second comic arc is called The Search and it answers the question
You like what you like and there's nothing wrong with that. I will say people like Azula for the same reason people like the Joker, or Hannibal Lector or any other number of villains. They don't necessarily have any redeeming qualities but their intelligence and ability to manipulate make them great villains. As far as Azula goes, as far as what you would know about her as of this episode it's important to note that while Zuko's mother favored and sheltered him, Azula had the "fortune" of being born the prodigy and having her fathers attention. Characters like Zuko are great for their grey morality and conflict for sure, but if every character or even villain was like Zuko that wouldn't be good either. Sometimes you have people who are just bad. Great observations and points though, I think it's good to keep in mind real world situations and how deeply prejudice, hate and fear can infect people of all kinds. Justified or not.