The man who predicted the Grenfell Tower fire: first in-depth interview
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2018
- Eddie Daffarn wrote a blog post predicting the Grenfell Tower fire seven months before it happened. He lived on the 16th floor of the London tower.
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Those who survived the fire will also be heard later in the inquiry. One person whose evidence will be closely listened to is that of Eddie Daffarn. An activist in the tower, his Grenfell Action blog warned of the tower's mismanagement and neglect.
Shockingly, he warned seven months before the disaster that it would take a fire in a tower block like Grenfell to bring the negligent guilty to book.
2019 and ZERO arrests or lawsuits or jailtime. Welcome to England.
Welcome to Tory run England..
Indeed... yet England just voted those Tories back in.. what an incredible act of self harm... lost for words on that one I'm afraid...
@@pnklady3788 the same English voters who pushed for HS1, wanted the bill to go through to bail out banks, for rail and public services to be private, for us to join the EU in the first place, voted camelt instead of bransons virgin for the lottery, was against uber coming to the UK. And now want all those things reversed because they changed their minds.
You can do anything as long as your not from the lower orders "Poor " , they worship, and love money more than people.
I wonder who donates all the millions to charity if the rich are too greedy to give and the poor are too skint to give? I shall have to check my bank balance in case one of the staff have been giving my money away. I knew that new chauffeur looked a bit shifty.
This man comes across as very articulate and resolute. A leader.
he left grenfell action group and went to grenfell united for more publicity
Articulate? All he does is make lots of "current year" statements and employs faulty logic like "the state was useless! we need to give the state more money and power!" without the common sense realisation that it doesn't actually help. Note however my criticism is of him, not dismissive of the tragedy itself and any shred of corruption or cover up needs rooting out and prosecution.
He comes across like a waffler.
He really is. There is a documentary and the way he speaks about it is amazing.
He is a shill.
Must be torture for him knowing he tried to warn people. God bless him.
Surely, if there was a god, he/she would have put the fire out ?
God thinks differently, he didn it for a reason, a reason we dont know.
@@ad4z294 He should have killed at least one more then. A Grenfell survivor got 18 years in prison last week for multiple rape.
I see it as journaling the experience and having it be known as a public hazard since he predicted that the Council would do nothing about it. He probably did this with the belief that it would be proof as neglect so that the people of Grenfell would be vindicated. Sadly this was not the case.....
@@gorillanotion1024 it was the 'people of Grenfell' that were ALLOWED to leave rubbish on landings. You can hear him say this in the interview. Who was the caretaker? Why did they not take their own rubbish down to the chute room if it was too large for the chute? These piles of rubbish prevented access to the only staircase. If you want to blame a government, this building was opened to residents under a Labour government. Why did they not ask 'Where is the second staircase?' Those that died were all on the floors above the 16th. Was it their OWN rubbish preventing them from getting to the stairs or their neighbours rubbish. Either way, they were tenants and they were responsible to either tell the caretaker or move it themselves. They didn't bother to move it themselves, or the caretaker never did it, if indeed he/she was asked to do so, and now they are all dead. As for the cladding, only ONE person would sign that it was safe. If he or she did, they obviously lied. Who was it? Not the government's fault at all.
The criminals that caused this tragedy should not be able to wriggle out of responsibility
Won't happen,scum always floats to the top
@hffp1 I wish the people of Grenfell would stop trying to make it about race,it had NOTHING to do with the colour of their skin but their class.they were put into a flammable building not because they were brown but because they were poor
TheGingerburger Floated right to PM. This tragedy is on Boris’s hands.
Shotgunmad xl
Correct it was an accident I don’t think anyone is saying it was done on purpose😕the point is it should never have managed to get so out of control so quickly and these poor innocent families should have been safe but they weren’t and that is the fault of the owners of the flats “the council” they knew the risks and done nothing to prevent this nightmare tragedy😔
They shouldn't wiggle out but they will probably on some legal technocalaty, and will drag on for years with no final conclusion ! .
Well done to this man for documenting and sharing his struggles with the authorities and for caring about the community he lived in💎
A G its amazing politicians are silent about how poor people are marginalized they are foul
Mickel Smickle absolutely and you can feel that they blame people for being poor and powerless though they wouldn’t say it out loud
A G the sad thing is i feel powerless 😥 don't know what to do no more we are like lambs to the slaughter seriously with the illusion of free will a democratic values but we voye politicians in to dictate to us
If you all read the leaked Citibank memos a few years back it's clear all us poor are disposable and unwanted. We don't spend enough to interest the filthy rich - have to earn 500 mill a year to be of any value. We're all on our own now - we need to stop letting them divide us and start fighting the bastards.....
We are not powerless, we are the many they are the few, they rule over a media that teaches us helplessness. They try to convince us but it is they who are powerless they fear the population
This man is a model citizen. Huge respect. If only more had followed his example or listened to the people like him who speak and fight for their communities.
I think you need to have a grand tour of Grenfell videos until you find a few people that know him personally. Model citizen - nah.
Councils up and down the country are filled with small minded greedy people if you are a lone voice and try to highlight problems and think for other people they target you sometimes with local thugs. They try to evict you if you have a tenancy they don't reply to email and they act criminally towards you. The alternatives is homelessness the stress is intolerable and they gr away with it over and over this is Thatchers legacy deregulate everything and make everything profit motivated. The educated poor are demonised and their types of work were reduced from the 90s onwards deliberately so. They prefer newcomers to the country as they will not challenge the status quo politically or socially as they don't know what the legacy is so it is another use of them to undermine decent community minded locals who are switched on to gerrymandering, preventing people from accessing social housing in the towns they were born in. Splitting up generations of families gentrification and forcing locals out for corporations or as in Kensington to change the demograph. Deregulation of building ode, fire safety budgets. Rich land owning aristocrats many of who have I inherited historically stolen land from the commons and enclosures act and the Clearances, who were part of the profiteering of empire in all it's vile incarnations ... Who play god with who gets access to a home they can afford when the economy is skewed. They avoid inheritance tax as billionaires you get penalised if left more than six thousand pounds when your parents meet an untimely death yet you can't get the job you trained for , volunteered for years to middle-class charlatans who got grants to employ you but dont pass on the wage. It is a mafia state run by criminals with silver spoons.
1 The building wasn’t safe.
2 The Council can’t House 72 people in London.
3 The goverments response was pathetic, the locals did more.
These facts show our councils are pathetic and want to move the poor out of London.
London is one of the most expensive cities in the Western world, and you think the council there should just dole out houses to people?? It's not as easy as you make it sound...
So how far will people be expected to commute to clean toilets and offices? How fat will nurses have to travel to work? There needs to be a mix of people in any big city as some of the most poorly paid jobs are essential.
House prices are so artificially high that forginers buy them up and leave them empty to sell on. The prices are nothing to do with need and council housing used to pick up the slack for low paid workers. You can’t pay cleaners and nurses the money they’d need to rent or buy there.
If you lived in England you would walk past the hoards of homeless people and see we need cheap, state housing, the market isn’t working how it should.
Yea Caoimhin, the job of clearing the poor out of London is being accomplished, why let them back in? If we start treating them as equal human beings they'll be no end to their demands for respect and equal treatment and you know what will happen if we allow that, house prices will start to fall! It really is to dreadful to contemplate.
_" you think the council there should just dole out houses to people?"_ yes they are responsible for killing them and burning them out of there homes, you miserable excuse for a human.
Thanks!
Very articulate brave man
Get used to it its ENDEMIC in the UK i'd call it the British disease..... look back, how many times in history has this happened and we've just moved on and said "lessons will be learned" and they NEVER ARE.
you need to change the entire system root and branch..... its the only way you will stop it.
This guy is a actress . grenfell is just a TV show
I burnt my toast, my dear Mycroft.
Also, why is Gary Numan being interviewed about this topic?
And you're just a dumbass and for men the word ISN'T actress. it's ACTORS can you be any more stupid?!
The people responsible for the decision to fit this cheap, flammable cladding on this building need prosecuting.
Ha,ha,ha....oh wait your serious. Nobody is going to get charged or held accountable. The Deep State protects its own.
@@jameretief8327 It's not "the deep state." Good lord. Are you in Q anon? It's rich/powerful people protecting rich/powerful people.
the govt and builders, everyone, they are all complicit in approving this trade and use of materials. its all about the money and profit,
@@jennifermarie3158 that's what the deep state is you brainlet.
Government as they were told not to use this note than 6 floors. The fact is in any building if you are advice the 6th floor during a fire your ability to get out alive diminishes greatly.
"Their objective was to get their hands on the land." That says it all, really. This man has eloquently described a modern day tragedy ... one which arose out of deliberately engineered inequality and neglect.
that is murder
"This man" was photographed in the street. He isn't dirty, even after running down 15 flights of stairs in 'acrid smoke". He's partly wrapped in a bright blue blanket. The blanket has no smoke marks on it . He is standing by a spotless bright red car with no ash at all on it. There is no fire debris or ash on the ground. A man in the background smiles as he looks on, in a spotless white shirt and jeans. Two women are walking by on the other side of the spotless car. paying no attention to the burning building, the' crowds' or fire engines. This man is allegedly rich. by inheritance, but chooses to live in a shitty tower block where he is a 'bit of a noise' amongst the tenants. He is said to often be arguing with the council and can get bad tempered if things don't go his way. But on youtube, to the adoring masses, he's a hero. For what? He ran down 15 flights, saw only two people on the stairs, and saved nobody. OOh... but he did write a blog.. Ffs.
@@johnbird7357 Can you direct me to that photograph? Where did you find all this information about this man? And, in any case, does that make any better or less of a tragedy the loss of life and the trauma of those who lost everything in that fire, which scale and proportions has been proved that could have been avoided?
@Rafael H. Pérez - Have you got a Facebook account? I can PM you the photo.
@@RafaelHPerez Well?
Thank goodness for people like Eddie Daffarn who speaks for the ordinary folk in his community. Let's hope truth and justice come out of the inquiry . Grenfell was clearly a criminal act of negligence .
Yes it was. The flat owner neglected to own a normal everyday fire extinguisher and he is to blame for 72 deaths. He ran for it instead.
@@johnbird7357 But still you want to call this guy an an . . . hole. That makes you guilty.
Of what?
The fire could have broken out anywhere / anytime in those flats, and may have not been controlled by a fire extinguisher. The people to blame are those that were saving money, by not putting special fire alarms in the buildings, and putting illegal cladding around the tower block .. end of...
Have you read all the reports of his flat? .Have you read the tenants three police interviews? Have you read how "small" the fire was in his kitchen, as reported by his neighbour? Have you read what fire fighters reported? Did you take any notice of the man in the video reporting on his blog that rubbish was ALLOWED to be put in piles on the landings, including mattresses? What does...end of... mean? I was educated in English.
a bbc prog in 1984 warned the government that the tower cladding was a fire risk
Not specifically for grenfell as its cladding was only approved in 2015
@@Matt_10203 true, but the documentary goes into detail that the cladding to paper over poor construction of these industrially constructed towers in the first place, and raises how adding material on the outside is an obvious fire risk.
Your talking none sense
ruclips.net/video/Ch5VorymiL4/видео.html watch from 45:28. Those flats he's standing in front of warning of the danger of fire are in Glasgow, i was there when they were being clad. Tenants were annoyed because they were having to keep their steel windows.. at a meeting out clerk of works said they had to be kept as pvc could melt and allow fire to enter the flat above one on fire. And that they were using corrugated steel as cladding because it was fireproof . This was in 1982. So the effects of flammable cladding and windows were known then
His neighbor should receive a reward for saving all the people on the 16th floor. Him sending a firefighter up saved lives.
How did you know?
@@EmyN because he watched the video?
If this was via a private landlord then they would be prosecuted.
Since it's government...
That's not true. There are tons of private landlords keeping poorer Londoners in slum conditions. There are stories of people living with cockroaches or mold.
Landlords have been evicting tenants to turn rented accommodation into more profitable emergency accommodation.
This vile treatment towards tenants is by no means restricted to London. It's happening elsewhere in the UK too.
But what makes this situation special here is that Grenfell Tower and Notting Dale are right next door to Notting Hill.
This is the very area where Peter Rachman exploited thousands of poor people and turned good houses into slums.
Now people want to exploit the area again, by using social cleansing to boot out people like Eddie Daffarn and his neighbours, so that the area can be handed over to redevelopers who will want to charge people a million pounds to live there.
Eddie Daffarn was someone stopping this plan for private corporations to make millions out of the Grenfell Estate.
Why were so many people eager to avoid doing their public duty? Were they being bribed?
@@DavidShepheard you wrote a whole essay for no reason. What he meant was that because the council is with the govt they cannot be prosectued or held at
So no chance of a prosacution ! .
A whole essay? In just 8 sentences. I bet you did well in English exams at school.
@@johnbird7357 no one means a actual essay...* i bet you're fun at parties*
Shame on the council and government absolute shame
And yet, the Tories had a landslide victory. Do they care? No
Agree.
That’s because misguided people keep voting for them. Of course they’re going to get in all the time. People moan about the tories, yet then they win another election because people secretly vote for them!!
@@mrkipling2201 and some people don't vote at all.
@@cruxmind which is even worse.
Profits over people.
A thoughtful and dignified discussion about this dreadful tragedy, by Eddie.
If you happen to be poor, you will remain invisible. Appalling to think this can happen in the 21st Century.
My son went to help those unfortunate people who lost everything on that terrible day, a few days later.
He said the scene of the gutted building was very eerie. It was completely silent.
"Grenfell was totally avoidable." How heartbreakingly true.
@ Rob Jones - 'lost everything' - I've not yet heard of one tenant who had home insurance. Is that the governments fault?
@@arfnore The latter.
it's time for economics as if people matter
@@johnbird7357 Look here , you keep prattling on about how people should always pay their premiums but how did that benefit you in the end except for 3 dead tropical fish?
@@factorylad5071 Ihave no idea what you mean, Are you on drugs?
So many died because they had been led to believe they should stay indoors until they were rescued. Those that survived did so as they escaped the building.
@Phil Sophia - according to the video you are commenting on. Mr Darfan ran down 16 flights of the only staircase, and all he saw was two people.
@Martin - it has also been said that the staircase was narrow. Even If he couldn't see he would have fallen over dead bodies that were "piled on the stairs" in original reports.
Because The Fire Service were not to know they were sheltering behind plastic fire doors.
Never, never, never ever stay put when a fire breaks out + a ship's sinking for example. I would think about if there's a risk if I stay put & if there's one I would run out of the building even when a fire is small or only in one apartment. In a shooting f.e., the ,,danger" is to be catched that's why in that case it's better to stay put if your risk of escaping's higher.
The firefighters are partly responsible there
When he said an EMT yelled at him to "go home", I was shocked. Can you imagine a worse thing to hear when you are literally watching your home go up in flames? I'm not sure if I would've burst into tears or punched that person in the nose.
I'm sure there were lots of curious onlookers but that was a 25 story apartment building with hundreds of residents, obviously there are going to be lots of them hanging around in the vacinity of the building. WTF.
I would have yelled back, THIS IS MY HOME! And watch them stfu because how dare they!
Actually most onlookers were shouting instructions to the police to help the people who were desperately asking to be rescued everybody was distraught and felt helpless I saw it live on TV people we relaying flat and floor numbers to the emergency services in vain due to the folk in charge and police flapping about like headless chickens initially . It took ages before someone took charge on the ground from LFB and they weren't the most senior they went against the protocol and sent guys in to try and get people out but it was already such a terrible inferno
The instructions to stay put in the flats should have been scrapped immediately
How have they not removed the cladding from buildings all over the country! They've had a year!!
2 years later...
Cmon Fred let's make another cup of tea.
They did in Australia, we had some issues too with fires. Sad isn't it.
@@TheEarthHistorysConfusing Same in Germany, there was a dangerous building in Dortmund & everyone has to go out & search another home until it's fixed.
@@TheEarthHistorysConfusing laws have tightened up a bit, but the cladding remains on 10`s of thousands of buildings. Polyethylene cladding, and now polyurethane (fake concrete facades) line many buildings. goes up in minutes.
I had a premonition about Grenfell. My client lived in Grenfell and when he told me I felt the calm before the storm. I stopped what I was doing and Googled it. I saw Westfield shopping centre nearby and thought OK something is going to happen. I had this uneasy feeling that grenfell and westfield couldnt coexist. I just looked at location and thought I bet someone wants this gone.A week later it was on fire. Later I read that no one turned the mains supply of gas off for hours so the fire picked up. Google both and you will see why I felt like that
I took have those sorts of premonitions
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This disaster has a lot of secondary questions to which politicians are very adept at pushing forward diverting attention from the prime questions. From my perspective, the problems at Grenfell Tower started in 1984-85 with the abolition of the District Surveyor. The Government of the day considered this authority to be too powerful and accused them of stifling the construction process. At this time I was a Project manager for a large construction company building large projects in the centre of London. Yes, they were a pain in the backside but, they were right. When they required something tested it was tested or your contract came to a standstill. It was during their reign that the policy of, in the event of a fire, residents must stay in the flat till relieved by the Fire Brigade. To make this policy work the flat must contain the fire using a Door that could hold the fire for half an hour and adequate fire stops. These stops held back flame from passing to the next property either side and above. There are standard details and if an architect specified differently they insisted on a test.
This Raises my first question to the Architect for Grenfell Tower refurbishment. "Were you aware of the policy of the tenant staying in his flat in the event of a fire?" If "Yes" "What provisions did you specify to contain the fire?" Then we can go down the chain of was it tested, did the contractor follow your specification and so on and so on. If No then a new chain starts with the Management company in the firing line. You can see it's like an onion, peel back the layers, each one significant, ending with the rainscreen which is what all the current discussion is centering on. Mke Brotherton
Well well well.... Your comment about the fire brigade taking the fall for what is clearly a fat cat cover up has truly come to fruition
Hmmm 1986? Abolition of The Greater London Education Authority and goodbye toKen Livingstone' .In comes The Greater London Enterprise Board and the The HSE ,Cherie Blair makes human rights solicitors become a thing.....and you say they had plastic fire doors?
I was watching the Grenfell Enquiry and the witness today said it started in 1984 when the architect or engineer responsible for each project was in many projects replaced with 'design and build' - the contract makes the project into a profit- making commodity : and instead of firm building control of projects the builder became a "client".
The Governments /politicians who deregulated and privatised building control need to be on trial , not just their dogsbodies in the government offices.
‘A massive fire would be the only way anyone will be held accountable’ - sadly no one has been held accountable even after this devastation
Great interview! The police were totally rude to these people. They should sue. It was as if they didn't exist.
The tenants were policing themselves. There was no trauma team on the scene, no doctors until later. Dealing with homelessness because of a situation out of their control.
It's changed them forever. I hope the inquiry does something for them. The STATE should keep their promise. Heed this, May!
You can feel the sadness in his voice. Can you imagine? Thousands of hours screaming to deaf ears, just to be ignored at the end. Anarchy really is looking attractive now.
It's a good thing he lived there as his voice will have more weight than alot of others.
HE WILL BE MARGINALISED BY SOME CAMBRIDGE OXFORD SOLICITOR ON £1k an hour! #buzzofftoxic time for new non profit leadership
@@buzzofftoxicblog791 Hmm yes that is a bit thought provoking. I guess it will boil down to who are Leigh Day going to act for and who will pay them.
He’s white so that means people might sympathize with his pain.
@@nostalgia545 tis true and he seems more middle class which I guess wins more credibility in society
The Grenfell Action webpage stated a few years ago that there were power surges in the tower. Did this help cause the fridge to catch fire if, as the tenant says, that was the cause of it?
Answer , yes it could because previous surges in the power line could have damaged the fridges safety protection devices. This points to the landlords ignorance in being unable to see the building as a system where such things as sprinkler systems and power lines had to be maintained and kept in good working order.
Every single person in that building was a hero. This man is so intelligent and so brave to not only talk about this and his problems but in great detail and his blogs are so well written
sadly, no one who is actually responsible will be held to account
@Anil Löeb I bet they are not. If anybody does, pne person wil take the fall, the person who signed it as safe.
@hffp1 'These mass fires' - name me a dozen
God will hold them accountable do not worry
Susan I hope what you say does not become a self fulfilling prophecy. The seeds that sewed this tragedy were laid down by Blair and Thatcher
That created megaliths like The HSE and swept The 1839 Factories Act under the carpet and took trades unionism away from working people imho.
No one has ever been held accountable for this to this day. It's a tragedy that I'll not ever forget. To all the families who are affected I'm thinking of you all and let justice prevail... ❤️
It was like 6am in london... I woke up, my mum had the curtain wide open. I asked what happend.She said that there was a huge fire and that it was on the news.I got up and looked outside...I screamed. From my flat it was very high so I could see all of London and the sky above Grenfell was covered in darkness... The building was completely full with flames and smoke. Rest in peace for those who lost their lives in this horrifying insident 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏✝✝✝✝✝✝
THANK YOU 💚buzz #buzzofftoxic
Why did you scream
@@EmyN I was scarred about what had just happened
@@EmyN why are asking such an obnoxious question?
*incident
I live in a council tower block, and am quite highly educated, like some of my neighbours (some of whom are immigrants).
I want to thank Eddie for his hard work, and also Jon Snow, for a beautiful and sensitive approach to this whole interview. X
Are you productively employed?
Ladynipchick2 yet you wrote "and am quite highly" i dont believe you.
@@alexhayden2303 what does "productively" employed mean please?
@@factorylad5071 Prolly he means to ask if her main income isn't benefits 🤔
@Anyone pls correct me if I'm wrong 😁
@GlassHalfEmpty 😎
Thank goodness for people like Eddie. The world needs more like him.
No it doesn't, there are enough idiots in the world
@@johnbird7357 You're one of them you fucking dimwit
Liquid Audio he’s “in all probability” the only one in the whole building that can speak English,! The whole place was infested with illegals,!!
@@douglascollett7775 So you think a man that lives in a building that in his own words is a death trap, is intelligent? I bet you voted Labour.
@@johnbird7357 WE ARE ALL IDIOTS BUT SOME ARE IN POWER TOXIC AND GREEDY
The only way forward is for humanity to help each other. The system is not even pretending to care anymore
How can ANONE dislike this video!!! The Man is Speaking THE FACTS and THE TRUTH!!! Not unless the 53 Dislikes are from THE COUNCIL AND THE GOVERNMENT!!!
My 1st home was in a high rise, not as big as Grenfell mine as only 14 story’s high. I was on the 13th floor with a new born baby. What happened in Grenfell was My Biggest worry and how I was going to get My Son, My Cat and myself out!! My Heart and Soul go out to everyone who is affected by this devastating soul crushing tragedy #JusticeForGrenfell
There are some real scumbags in this comment section. If only we could switch them with the people who died the world would be a much better place.
Well said, Chipoftheundead.
Well you're no different then them, except they are joking and you're being an asshole
Unacceptable
This is edited and theres parts like 17:14 (where he's clearly about to list reasons that ruined this interview for me. In future give the interviewee the respect that they deserve)
Absolutely disgusting
It's tragically simple. Grenfell residents were poor and the UK government cares about the rich. So sad.
Sadly it's the same the whole world over. If you have money then you have power and influence and you matter more. We poor folks remain poor and powerless and no one hears us or cares enough to effect change simply because we are poor and therefore don't matter.
@@derrickguffey4775 Yes Derrick, you're right. I feel it's so important to stay open to the potential for that to change though. Us good ordinary folk outnumber the tyrants by thousands to one. And they know it which is why they're careful... If enough people see through their game though, it's game over for them...
It was like £2000 to rent a flat in Grenfell so I wouldn’t consider any of the residents poor. The tower was build in the 19th century and looked old. They needed a new look to keep up with the generation we live in now. They don’t care about lives. If the people who owned Grenfell cared about any of its residents then why would they put cladding on knowing fully well what could happen. They did it for their pride.
So sad that it happened. What makes me angry is the fact that this country should be spending more money on helping the victims who are still alive, not wasting it on this royal wedding
AGREE THEY CAN PAY #BUZZOFFTOXIC
The strength it must take to be calm & coherent despite losing everything is beyond respectable. Hats off to this remarkable man who remains the voice of an entire class 🎩🎩
If he, and others. "lost everything" why didn't they have home insurance?
How terrifying to hear the story, his description made me shiver. I still can't get over this story, I can only imagine how the people affected are feeling.
I'm ashamed of my government
dont worry we re-elected another posh boy
Don’t you mean your labour council,!?
@@davidskeeterskeeter1835 no the tories have all the eton boys
I am ashamed of the UK government, but I love the people.
AGREE MY HOLE LIFE I SEEN THE CARTEL IN POWER TIME TO STOP IT #BUZZOFFTOXIC
This was a disaster waiting to happen. I mean take your pick. From combustible cladding to power spikes. This was on the cards for a very long time.
Too much decay in the system.
The suppliers of the cladding seem to have gotten off easily and I suspect just like with industrial deaths nobody will ever be jailed only fined.
SAD BUT TRUE NEW NONPROFIT LEADERSHIP TRUTH? #BUZZOFFTOXIC
The cladding was supplied from France and met EU safety standards.
Clever, articulate and poor, the establishments biggest enemy, well done sir on your revealing words 👏
Poor!! No way this man has millions in the bank from inheritance, he lives there through choice in a life time tenancy. Don't let the professional activist front wash.
@@Corkedit Evidence?
@@crangonvulgaris9820 He knows him personally. What do you expect him to do, send you a copy of his bank statement?
@@johnbird7357 Any evidence.
What does your next door neighbour do for a living If you know, show me the evidence.
This man has more intelligence and insight than those on the council managing the buildings who did not provide a basically safe building with sufficient evacuation procedures and sprinklers to buy time, and who called him a fantasist. Have those on the council been held accountable for their actions ? A cladding was put on that made it a death trap and made the fire spread - it was like a firework. And an out of touch management of the London fire brigaded, not truly understanding what they were dealing with, though, the cladding was the problem, but they could not see what was in front of their eyes. Normal spectators predicted the outcome of that fire early on.
If this were a private (individual) landlord he would be in jail for manslaughter or more by now. This man should not be being interviewed about his experience. His experience, insight and commonsense should be utilised to make Britain's housing safer and he should be paid for expertise. Rest in Peace to those lost in the Grenfell fire.
How would YOU implement a safe evacuation plan, with only one staircase in the building? I've lived in two tower blocks and both had two staircases. One either side of the building as it is against sensible fire regulations to use lifts when alarms go off.
The difference between my blocks and Grenfell was that we took our large items of rubbish down to the chute room, not left them on the landings blocking the only flight of stairs, as they did in Grenfell.
Bad building management and lazy tenants are not a good mix. Where was the caretaker? The man in the video says himself that tenants were ALLOWED to store rubbish on landings. Being allowed implies that they asked. Who did they ask? Whoever it was, they got no replies.
Instead of taking responsibility and moving THEIR OWN RUBBISH to the ground floor chute room. they left it on the landings.
Who were those people that made the decision to place that flammable cladding on the tower?
Not the same people who piled their rubbish, including soiled mattresses, on the only set of stairs, and blocked doorways with it.
@i. rob Yes it was reported by firemen, as well as him saying it in the film.
PEOPLE IN POWER ? #BUZZOFFTOXIC TIME FOR NEW NONPROFIT LEADERSHIP
The BRE certified it as being safe.
The residents were responsible for building upgrades. It's deeper then what's been said. ruclips.net/video/kXSR-Jd25Ds/видео.html
Excellent interview, well done Eddie Daffarn and Channel 4. It's a total disgrace that the same cladding is on numerous other buildings. SHAME ON YOU COUNCILS AND GOVERNMENT!
Heads should roll over this it’s scandalous
the people who are at the top are safe #buzzofftoxic
The HSE is a scandal ous organisation but it will be concealed by nepotism.
I have a SERIOUS issue with the money royals are making each year out of taxes, yet NHS and infrastructure maintenance are repeatedly slashed. Can someone explain this phenomenon to me?
The Royals earn the economy more than it takes.
Conservative government.
@valley boy And you believe them?
Can you disprove it.... with evidence?
@@johnbird7357 Proof of future events can not exist, apply probability functions to past data for predictions.
As the person who helped cladd the 1st Towerblock, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th,..... one look at a cross section of the window detail would be enough to say this is lethal.
Back in 1982 as we started the first one, "nothing that holds a flame should be in the window area or on the external wall".
Ed, you are an inspiration.
Mohamed-Zain Dada hes a liar
don't think so mate..
JOANNA I know so., thats what smoking excessive weed and reading your own properganda.
come on now theres no need to be that way..I don't smoke full stop, and I don't make a habit of being sucked in by propaganda..to get back to the real issue here it was a horrific and tragic experience..this poor fella speaking obviously has PTSD. lets be pleasant and peaceful.
JOANNA this directed at Deffarn not yourself. I have full respect for those that does and those around the estate and area that also have respect for all involved. This guy has lied and twisted almost everything he has been involved in for years to suit his social injustice campaign, many resident feared his campaign and have been threatened and scared to speak up. Ask him about such things as the Complaint he took for he ombusman for bullying and harrasment then lost and shouted it was a fix. How many times he has abused officers at meetings verbally because he didn't hear what he wanted. There is so much more to this guy than the portrait you see on this constructed interview. PTSS has affected so many here and many from all groups organisations involved and most not acknowledged.
What an utter nightmare that must have been.
Eddie for Mayor of London
You go Eddie. Take these elites down
This would never of happened if the cladding had the right specification.
Currently no cladding of that type can pass the specification.
It's not just the cladding and rain screen. The refurbishment designed away compartmentalisation. The main component in keeping residents safe. They took a safe place to live and turned it into a death trap.
The Criticiser I also thought the flats were recently refurbished I think they installed gas if so
they must have made holes between the concrete floors .
If so was the internal integrity of the fire breaks comprised an did this add to speed of the fire.
@@martinmessiah7130 not to any significant extent.
That all depends on who is specifying. This was specified by The Agrment (Brussels) not The BSI.
Two families died in my school in the Grenfell
I was a Lewisham Councill Project Manager for the refurbishment of Daubeny And Eddystone Towers In Deptford. Both Towers were clad with a rain screen cladding. In the Management section, we had to demonstrate how to replace damaged cladding anywhere up the face of the building in the event say of fire. The policy of tenants staying in their flats in the event of fire was in place so the integrity of the fire stops had to be demonstrated. We had two Clerk of Works on site with the rule while fire stopping was in progress it one of them must be on the scaffold and witness it has been carried out to specification and sign a register of the witness. We involved our tenants in all aspects of the refurbishment and some members of their association witnessed some of the testing. M. J. Brotherton
Michael Brotherton do you know of any sources of independent investigation into this event? I get the feeling there will be another cover up here.
No, I don't, I am concerned this is going to turn out to be like Hillsborough. I listened to the Q.C's deliberation today and object to his accusation that the fire brigade was in error of having a stay in the flat policy. This has been the rule in all high rise buildings to my knowledge for 40 years. This has been their ingrained training How were they to know some idiot, nay criminal had not put in adequate fire stopping and was probably the same criminal who moved the window outward creating a space (chimney) for flames to roar up and also not fire sealing around the windows. Fire doors is another question the whole thing is a shambles leave the Fire Brigade alone and expose the real crooks it makes my blood boil. M Brotherton
Than you for your lesson on how this SHOULD be done.
The real crooks must be The HSE according to your logic.
Excellent interview. A good complement to the more lightweight (if personal and moving) ones that have been out recently .Edward Daffarn says what needs to be said, and the interview is well facilitated by John Snow. Unfortunately the government has been desperately trying to pin all the blame on the contractors and council (saying that the building regs prohibited the cladding which is open to some doubt). While the companies, contractors and council obviously are to blame, so are the national politicians who failed to update the building guidelines and regulations and act on the recommendations of previous fires. I would like to see them all have a long spell in prison so they can think of and take responsibility for what they have done.
I'm sure Building regs have not permitted anything that can "hold a flame" since 1995. Previous to that we where sticking flammable Polystyrene on walls and ceilings. The next rule involved Firebreaks. Above any window on a multi floored building a complete break in any material that can spread a flame is installed, it's been compressed Glasswool for ever. It's height is measured to cover flame travel and stop it travelling to the floor above. This system has to be covered with a none flammable coat or panel, not a cavity and a flammable panel.
I couldn't see how the Grenfell system passed anything and then noted the links in the chain, years ago it would be the Council and the Contractor. The Council would send their Clerk of Works on a course to see how the Insulation should be fitted and made, and he'd have followed the rules religiously for it's fitment, to the exact wording.
Contractors only fit the material, they can voice concerns but get ignored or sacked and Blacklisted, I've been in the situation, luckily a visiting Fire officer stopped the job and demanded a material change. We don't see Fire Officers or Clerks on jobs anymore.
Thatchers " we must peel back the State " has left us under the control of business, they provide their own pseudo Fire Officer that they keep in their back pocket. Fridge manufacturers use the same method. If Fridge manufacturers where under the scrutiny of the old Government consumer board, Grenfell wouldn't have happened no matter what panel was fitted. The Government consumer action section was told it wasn't needed, Government would implement laws and rules, Companies would Audit themselves, get an ISO Qualification or blah, blah, blah, and all would be happy. Management companies are not experts in Cladding, only experts in Spreadsheets.
Letting Construction Audit itself was first tested when they constructed these blocks and some where demolished shortly after being built with missing bolts and inferior concrete. As a note to your list to blame, we need to take back control, but voting forms only contain people that they allow to get on there. Without a box that says "none of the above" we are stuck with their choice, bar a revolution, which I've been expecting or hoping for since 73.
spex357 Great reply and I do agree with you. I'm not in the trade but I've spoken to those who are and looked at the regs with them and the accompanying document B and they are very confusing - one part negates the other - on what is allowed. This is why I think the council and contractors will argue the cladding and insulation was allowed and the government will argue it wasn't - both trying to protect themselves
Indeed and made worse with the extra links in the chain inserted on purpose to hide responsibility. I'm sure CDM regs have fire as the first consideration when you start a new project. In behind all this is the Industry that would have cladded and rendered it, and a fridge fire on the fourth wouldn't have been a problem and at worse a local paper item. Previous Government ECO, Green, Renewable Grant systems, allowed the industry to become corrupted overnight. System specifications where ignored, control was minimal or corrupt, and local housing got sick of the poor quality that they really didn't want to pay for. The law says they have to Insulate housing, especially Solid Wall, so they looked elsewhere and found Rain-screen Cladding, and here we are with death everywhere and I'm not surprised but never as shocked as I was at 01:10 am on that morning.
spex357 Agreed. I think the judge of the enquiry will be quite good at unravelling the building regs and guidance and the chain of contractors and apportioning responsibility reasonably well (his background is in similar sort of stuff). What I suspect and fear is that he won't really tackle us the government's equal responsibility in causing the fire to happen.
Letting fridge manufacturers Audit themselves has helped hide the fact that most will kill you if on fire and quite a few take place yearly. Peeling back the State has left us at the mercy of business, right across the board. I heard Corbyn say he was going to put a stop to Thatchers Ideology but I haven't heard him mention it again, one of his backers probably had a word with him. Who is the judge, seeing as they have allowed people to talk about their feelings how come the mothers of Iraq weren't invited over for the Chilcot enquiry, we might have seen Blair in jail.
When you move into a building like this, you are literally at the mercy of people who have little long term interest in your well being; that's why towers like this, even if they get off to a good start, often end in some combination of disaster and tragedy. The same if true of such projects here in the USA. But another thing at play here is the short memory that's a part of human nature. England started to mandate brick construction after the London fire of 1666, and with the help of simple economics and forest depletion, it kept people safer than they would have been for 300 years, yet the plastic claddings that started to come out after WW2 seemed so far removed from the days in which fire was considered an immediate threat, that even after the disaster at Summerland in 1973 and the scourge of dangerous polystyrene ceiling tiles during that time, covering the outside of a building designed to be non-combustible with plastic cladding seemed like a reasonable thing 3 decades later. Similarly, we in the USA have become so confident of sprinklers that wood-framed apartment blocks far too big to have been allowed 50 years ago are springing up all over the country, despite the fact that fires that start in a building's dead spaces regularly get around the areas covered by sprinklers and that sprinkler systems are only trouble free for 20 to 30 years. When these building age and their then shoddy landlord start quietly shutting off leaky sprinkler systems, we'll have our share of Grenfells. It takes a few big tragedies to learn these lessons, but sometimes it only takes a few decades without a disaster to forget them.
Sending love, support, and strength from Aotearoa NZ.
Such a powerful message. As a community we have more to offer than the government that we pay to look after us. He is asking very deep and important questions. I'm glad he was given the chance to share his view.
This dude is clever. He should be on some panel somewhere, i dunno which panel, but a panel none the less x
So clever that he prefers to live in a block that he said WOULD catch fire?
The wealthiest municipality/ council in Europe and these people were ignored and forgotten about because they are not valued as human beings. I think this attitude is replicated across the country at different levels. Working classes, immigrants, disabled people sometimes live in dangerous, appalling quality council houses and privately rented accommodation and it is accepted as just the way it is or the rhetoric of 'well its complex' . Strange how these standards are not acceptable in other countries re Germany, Austria, Netherlands, Nordic countries, Spain.
We need a government and council that are creative and make interventions to improve the standards of housing.
To do nothing is a political act and pays lip service to typically wealthy property owners. if you cant afford to do up your property then you should not be running it a business... sorry but someone's quality of life is far more important than you trying to make a profit at their expense and health. I also think buy to let should be banned and rents caped to retail price index because it just seems that the rapid increases are never going to end. We need a creative thinking government and local councils who arent in bed with developers. Unfortunately we have Boris who made London into market exclusive city.
The cover up for this is going to make some very interesting reading.
Ok I will kick it off then. Diane Abbott has relatives in The HSE.
Christ on a bike, we really are being led by the least among us.
Sad but true.
I would love to see the Tower demolished and in its place a small village community built for the survivors
Sue Fuller lol XD
Shrimpy Gaming in a paralell universe?
I think not everyone would move in it because they know that many died in this plot of land.
@Dark Horse Ridiculous conspiracy theory.
@@psymoon68 disagree what he says (constructively) is true.
Eddie puts it very concisely - local govt. wanted the land. The sale of the college, brokered by Feilding-Mellon of the Council was kept completely under wraps, even from local govt leaders, so that expensive flats could be built, and that would be just the beginning. “Sinister” is the exact correct term to use.
My building is 14 stories and we have two stairwells. Why is this building so high with only one stairwell? Every building should have more than one stairwell. Also, why aren’t there fire alarms in every flat? Why didn’t everyone think of trying to get out? They were told to stay put. Why?
@Play Google oh ok. Thank you for explaining.
Wasn't the government responsible for relaxing the building regulations?
Yes but all sorts of other regulations also that were there to defend people's rights to safety . Think about that the next time you get on a 4 lane motorway.
@@factorylad5071 Too true. I know they have removed the hard shoulder safety lane from some motorways. Thankfully I don't drive and haven't been on a motorway for a long time. It's amazing how they slyly slip their relaxation of safety measures through. Maybe because the impact isn't immediate and they foster an anti health and safety culture, that's why people don't protest more about it.
@@heliotropezzz333 ya know.
This upsets so much...man I get so emotional I find it very hard to hold back tears but Yet I am forced to look in to this.#neverforgetgrenfell.
People had to beg firefighters to rescue people ... enough said!
Abandoned by the Royal Borough Kensington Chelsea and supported by the local Mosque and the community
YES PEOPLE NOT SYSTEMS #BUZZOFFTOXIC
"We have to move forwards searching for truth and to make sure this never happens again....The truth is the only way that we are going to be able to move forwards." Yes yes yes. Amen!
Quite a good interview, ty. Mr. Daffarn is a solid, intelligent, very well grounded man who has a very deep understanding of Government and red tape. I wish I was as resolute as he is to fight the inequity of this society. I'm pleased and encouraged by his endeavor to have justice done. Hope all ends well...
grenfell is atrocity not tragedy - i always believed the tenants and the community- always
Even the 14 convicted (so far) who have claimed £1m fraudulently because they'lost everything' when they lived there?
AGREE #BUZZOFFTOXIC
@@johnbird7357 screw you.
This man was and is, astute. It is tragic there was a fire, as hard as he fought to get help.
Never thought such injustice would happen in UK. The place where we took majority of legal provisions here in India.
Raghav Madan I live in England, and I am ashamed to say that the money that could be spent on helping rehouse the victims was wasted on a stupid royal wedding
Aspie tech girl 1990 se have politicians here in India in that form. Just made for promises and no actual work and criticizing other political parties.
I'm in the US, not the UK, but I was very shocked and disappointed too. I've always thought England, and many other similar nations. were much more trustworthy and cared more for their citizens than our government in the US does. This was a tragedy and it truly was shocking and disappointing. My rose colored glasses, so to speak, regarding the UK are gone for good.
Like America, we sell the rest of the world a illusion of what it's like the for the poor here.
Raghav Madan What injustice?
The place burned from the outside in and in a circle surrounded these people in 💀 death, Never heard of siding a huge apartment building.
Britain first.
This is what a hero looks like.
No he is not. He changed nothing.
Rosie Hogsflesh Bayerl from here he is a liar and social activist hater
With his hooked nose, beady eyes and his "high iq"... ;)
Thats the weed he smokes coming through
@@shrimpy8188 Go on then tell us , what is your IQ we're all dying to hear lol.
This guy should be a politician he’s very articulate
Articulate people can lie as well
@@johnbird7357 parrots can be articulate.
Thanks for sharing .
I can't believe how badly these people were treated.
I salute you good sir
Continue the fight never give up
2 days ago student residence goes up in flames in Bolton
It’s good that he was investigated by the inquiry, he put a lot of significant information
I have said this so many times.. the Summerland fire on the Isle of man should have prevented anything like this ever happening again.
We live in a careless society with people who dont care
Good job for saying what needs to be said excellent interview
Dig deeper and you will see the what what he says isn't worth the time he spends saying it
What a fantastic, charismatic, deeply honest and brave man Eddie is! The people responsible for that fire, may it be directly or indirectly, should all face lifelong sentences.
The council be like they are poor let's get them out,of London
AND THE REST OF THE ROT AT THE TOP #BUZZOFFTOXIC
What doesn’t sit well with me, is the fact a fireman friend of mine attended Grenfell. The stated death toll by the government in the tabloids was 72. My friend saw between 300-400 bodies. Possibly more he said.
There's definitely more people dead in there, it cant be 71. Just look at the size of that building, no smoke alarms, sprinklers or fire exits, only one staircase to get out and it had gas pipes installed on them and the fire happened in the middle of the night, so, use your logic.
firemen found 42 people in one room : ruclips.net/video/WooaILwkBTw/видео.html&index=12&list=FL2a0dEH8L_fsBY1nbu_bKFw
Where did he see these 300 to 400 (quite a spread) alleged bodies. On which floors or in which flats? How many survivors were there? What is the number of people that were allowed to live there? The maths wont work for 300 dead. let alone 400.
Richard Fisher .. Your right. I watched a lot of reports coming out re lives lost in Grenfell and in one report in the early days it was said by LBF that 200 bodies had been found on entering the lower half and a bit higher in the block .....
@@cosm1cstar Bullshit. The man in the video on this page said he ran down 15 flights on the ONLY staircase, and saw only two people. If Rchard Fisher's mate is a firedman then I'm an astronaut.
It’s January 26th 2020. Grenfell victims STILL haven’t been vindicated.
What about the Hillsborough families? Have they been vindicated? Think about it.
As if losing your home in such a horrendous manner wasnt bad enough, fancy the ambulance and police staff tell them to go home! Plus no buses, no alternate accomodation.
It’s crazy they were told to remain inside.
Second only one stairwell is not enough.
I lived in a dorm years ago with 350-400 students about 10 stories and they did regular drills to evacuate the building by the stairs in under 15 minutes.
They had the better part of 2 hours before they tried a mass evacuation.😢
He should buy that fireman a drink.
As a young child I used to look at the sun setting on that building, and then night would fall People enjoying life within the tower living room lights on and so. My heart hurts when I look at what’s happened. To Allah belongs the heavens and the earth and May he make it easy for those that lost their life’s and bring justice on his earth and in the hereafter. Ameen 🙏🏽
Nothing changes when it comes to lack of care.
2 weeks ago an arsonist living in my tower block started 3 fires including my neighbors flat, he tried to glue their locks shut to prevent escape on the 21st at 4am he set fire to his own flat and we were all evacuated.
My floor and the 14th were displaced in a hotel, local authorities promised to drop clothes and toiletries but they didn't, we had to go out the next day in the pajamas we'd been wearing since evacuating and buy our own things.
My neighbors who had petrol poured through their door were expected to go home with their two kids to their soot filled flat and front door still black and burned from the attack.
They've since covered the charred hole that was the arsonists flat (he jumped to his death) and put us all back in our flats with no aftercare for our mental and emotional health.
Yes.My arguement was Oh Hillsborough again since it's now been so long and justice has been served there so How long is this disaster and tragedy going to take to find justice to be served.
And you say justice has been served on Hillsborough and yet the families have not received a single penny in compensation. Incidentally the place where "justice was served" lies directly behind the house where I live and a local business (MEPC) did very well out of it being "served".