Phish - Evolve - 2nd Thoughts
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- I gave the new Phish album a 2nd listen. Monsters, Human Nature, and Oblivion are my favorite songs. I don't think we needed additional studio versions of Lonely Trip, Evolve and, Wave of Hope. Valdese nuts is fun to say. Tom Marshall is the man.
As kinda sorta cynical as this is, I agree. Straight up. Why do they release the same songs in multiple albums?
This was the best, most accurate and entertaining review yet. Truly one for the books.
Mr. Completely PHILLER! ❄️🌎❄️
At least Axilla II had a different name
It’s good seeing you, brotha. 💥
Yeah, agreement on the recycling. Thankfully, the studio albums are (mostly) just the ingredients for the live versions. If, say 2 or 3 songs (per album) become reliable fantastic jam vehicles, that works for me. Along with those, of course, come some yawners…the price we pay, I guess. Thanks for your ongoing Zappa-ness, man! 👊🏼
The new album has been growing on me. I think there are some great songs there: Valdese, Ether Edge, Oblivion. I think overall it's pretty solid. They are never going back to old school Phish on their albums.
I understand the take here. Though, I think if we take a step back and try to be unbiased, objective as we can be, I believe this is a decent collection of music. Even compared with their "peers" if they even have any at this point, or even the other decent groups currently putting out music, I think this holds up. The arrangements are compelling, the sound quality is great, and the tunes are all fairly unique.
This has been happening after every album since Farmhouse, when we all say "this new Phish is so meh" and then ten years down the line the tunes are well established mainstays.
They can't all be gems like 90s Phish, but damn are we lucky to even get one or two an album that will settle in for the long haul. It ain't like Dead and Co. are dropping new shit, ya know? Like this is a legacy band that continues to drop new shit... a band that could have been finished 20 years ago. Dare I ask, have we become spoiled my P-Fish brethren?
But alas, I do understand your points Kev and always love appreciate your straight shooting. I also applaud your use of Valdese Nutz. Boom.
I wish they would make albums with weird, dreamy, and psychedelic tracks, instead of these steady tempo/good vibes grooves.
I agree! How about the ending of Everything's Right, Thread, Mercury, and Steam from Sigma? How come we didn't get anything like that this time
Valdese nuts will be the lot food of the Summer. Boom.
Bring back the goo balls.and put them Valdese Nutz up in it!
Idk..Grateful Dead did the same thing most of the songs were seen in concert b4 they came out on albums. I like a few of the songs but it is a far cry from 93-98 Kaboom 👊
I am not talking about playing songs live before the album. There are several songs on this album that have already been recorded and put on an album.
@FZappa20 I hear ya. I don't follow the side projects much so I wouldn't even know.
Spot on
Little harsh. I like the album for what it is. It plays a different role than my old tapes from 95. I am older now too and the new songs have a place in my life.
Yeah, I was probably a bit harsh. I did at least name the few songs I like though
@@FZappa20 all fair bro. Be well. Love your channel. Keep it up.
The band appears to be healthy and happy, making music they appear to like, and selling out shows. For me, that's the most important point. As for this album, and "new Phish" generally, it's not for me. I'm reminded of something Trey said in "Specimen's of Beauty", paraphrasing - what happens when a band gets famous off of making squares but then wants to make circles? It's meant to bring up the tension between audience expectations and a band trying to maintain creative energy over the long haul. As a Gen X'r, who grew up on 90's Phish, I get why Trey (who is much older than me) just won't be writing "Fluffheads" anymore, and I'm cool with that. But, I also believe that at best, humans do not have the capacity to master "all the things". So maybe you don't want to make "squares" anymore and you now want to make "circles". But you also cut your chops making squares and you may not be as good at circles. So Trey wants to make circles, and I get it, but that doesn't mean its as good and I, personally, do not think it is, for the most part. Mainly, I don't think it (ballads, simple folk tunes, "Dad/Yacht Rock", vocal-forward songs, etc.) plays to the band's strengths. I also don't think that drawing "squares" necessarily means "same". I'm thinking of chess...chess has many different styles and permutations, but it's still chess, broadly speaking. The band could, it seems to me, go back to its roots/strengths, while still moving in different directions. But, for whatever reason, that's not the direction the band is taking. Again, it is what it is. I'm happy for the band and those still in the scene, but, just not for me.
Dammit Tom!
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Alright I nearly always agree with you, and while I do agree with you here in principle, I do need to correct you. Sigma Oasis and Big Boat, Phish’s last two studio albums did not have “recycled material” as this album has. They had a lot of songs that had been played live for a while, but none on any studio albums. See The Rolling Stones article were Trey clearly acknowledges this and states the goal of albums now is to have an album of songs that have been perfected live, so it is to be expected these have been heard for a while. So this one is expected to have “recycled material” in that regard, as have the last 2 albums. Here is where I agree: half of this album, unlike any previous Phish album, has already been recorded in a studio. Maybe they wanted to give them the “Phish treatment” to perfect them, but that I feel is annoying. Also, nearly all of these with the exception of Mike’s Human Nature, were debuted by Trey, which make it feel very Trey-centric and go to another thing he said in reference to the Dead but implication could be that it’s how he feels about Phish: the Dead is Jerry’s band, Phish is his band, these are the most songs road tested by Trey prior to Phish. So I agree, but also you have it a little misconstrued on older albums.
I understand what you're saying about Sigma. Making an exact comparison is inaccurate, but Sigma still felt recycled. Several of those songs debuted in 2015 and Steam was almost a decade old.
I was more understanding and respectful during my live stream listening "party"
You really think Trey considers the band "Trey's band". I just think the dude is really driven and have more output than the other members. I don't think he's trying to control what gets out there. I think what Trey said about GD being "Jerry's band"..wait....now you have me thinking? Does Trey think Phish is "Treys' band"?...Anyway, it was kinda of a crazy statement and seemed dismissive of other members of GD even though he didn't mean it that way. Also, did Jerry go out of this way to say he wasn't the leader or didn't want to be the leader of the band? Meanwhile in other news, who has been divorced twice?
Yeah dude...not impressed with the album. Broadway Trey makes my stomach turn...but love them anyway! Lol
Come on dude. This isn't Broadway Trey. Leaves is Broadway Trey. It sounds like it was taken directly from a broadway show. I think this album is more Dad Rock Hopeful Trey.
Dude? Im sure that most phans will take a leaves over Mercy...relax! Thats only my opion...thats what makes us so special...we all love them! @@ReflectorDetector
@@randybarringer2398 Dude, yeah. I forgot to add I love Leaves. And, yes I will take Leaves of Mercy.
Why did you stop at '97? '98 and '99 were the best!
The album was okay.
I completely agree. That aside, no review of the Tonight Show performances? (That elevator skit needs to be seen as well)
I did a live stream listening to the album and had Fallon on in the background. They did a skit? Damn I missed that.
I was a bit harsh in this video. The live stream I was a little more respectful.
Rather than “proficient,” I think you mean “prolific.” #valdesenuts
I did haha
Filler songs. Maybe to fulfill contract obligations. Not blown away either.
Doesn’t Mike Gordon know that Mike Jackson already has a song called human nature? The production on this album was nice. Pages keys sound nice. I had to hit the skip button on monster. That song is a bore to me.
I actually like Monsters. Weird how everybody has different taste haha
Call me a weirdo but I kinda liked hearing "produced" versions of songs I already know and have already heard "produced" versions of. I actually like the album version of A Wave of Hope which can make me grumble while seeing it live even if I might possibly "go the distance". The newer studio versions reminds me a bit of Lucas tinkering with Star Wars. Anywho, receiving my vinyl in the mail today did put a smile on my face so there's that.
I like the Lucas Star Wars comparison. Maybe Trey felt his recorded versions of those songs were still raw. A part of me feels that things that happened in 2020 should stay in 2020.
@@FZappa20 I agree with the 2020 thing. Those songs really worked at that time.
iI's difficult to make sense of what Trey's is trying to convey when he is not playing live music. Think back to the Sphere shows -- the music was outstanding but Trey's concept of themes for the shows was felt like nonsense. The same is true of GAMEHENGE, great music, but obtuse theme. I say 'what-ever' to the themes and WOW to the OUTSTANDING music.
It’s the business that we aren’t a part of, the studio is for the record label and the business decisions they make. I recommend just skip it.
I haven’t listened to a Phish album in 20+ years, and won’t be ever again - including this one
As far as them recording Trey songs multiple times, you have to admit that these versions are way better than the lonely trip and mercy versions. I don’t have a problem with artists re-recording songs to release a better product. How many versions of Willin’ are there?
moe. has done it a few times too.
That's a fair point. These are, I would agree, "better" recordings of the songs.
I think you were a little harsh on the late night performance last night lol. I watched it today and thought it was fine. The album is pretty meh, but the Pillow Jets caught my ear more so than the live versions I’ve heard before. Nice dirty dark guitar.
I probably wasn't fair to the late night performance. I dismissed it before it even got going. I'm probably never going to like the studio version of that song. I agree, Pillow Jets was much better compared to the live versions
There was so much treble on that Mike track. I could barely hear any bass. Not a Bryce Goggins fan. He makes them too clean.
The 90’s were fun, Trey has himself pulling in so many different directions I often wonder if he were to devote all the energy he puts into the side gigs into Phish itself in a singularity what we would get. I understand he needs to keep busy for his sobriety.
I like that all the side stuff keeps Phish going, and keeps Trey sober, but you ask a good question. I wonder what we could get if Trey was all Phish all the time? I suppose we wouldn't even have Phish if that were the case
Dude. Usually not a huge fan of your rambling post show reviews. But I agree with your relatively clear & concise points made here. I still love Phish and am not gonna stop seeing them after 33 years. But yeah, there was ample fresh new material to bag, tag, and sell to the custies at the store. ¡Es lo que Es! 😅
People still listen to phish?
Not a lot
3.0 Phish songs seem so basic. Trey may not be able to write exciting rock songs anymore. Would love to be wrong.
Thought the concensus was this is 4.0
@@couchtourist hmm well from a 1.0 era POV this is all 3.0 to me. Like is 2024 that different than 2018?
@@rickschricter12.6.97 tweezabella was my first. POV is similar. post covid to many brought 4.0
I thought Sigma Oasis was mostly good but I don't like Evolve, at least so far. But they're still great live - I saw them on 12/31 last year
Trey is writing great melodies for a Christian Youth Group audition. Smh. . .
The Vermont youth need hope too
@@FZappa20 😆 They do indeed. Those winters are brutal!
Haha
whole album blows