Pretty sure that was a soft aim bot 1:48 and 1:59 look very weird and the never using ult thing is weird considering it gives headshots + free hits + instant reload + easy long range kills. High elo soldier players still use it. A low elo cheater would probably not use it, on the other hand.
yeah it’s almost like having a high pick rate doesn’t mean a character is OP and we should instead evaluate their kit and how they compare to the meta/game wow
@@AhPook its ok when ana can hard cc anyone from across the map for 4 seconds, on cooldown no less! but when brig does it at close range in ult, maybe twice at a time if you time it right, for less than a second, its broken and needs nerfed. makes sense
small thing I wanna point out, people were most likely gaslighting that Brig isn;t as good mainly cause a lot of OW1 veterans were saying she's gonna be broken like in OW1 when she came out and is gonna kill the game also pretty sure she's now so good because it's a dive meta
Had a lifeweaver use at least 6 lifegrips on me (moira) as if my 2 tanks didn’t need them. I kept telling him to stop because he was wasting a 20 second CD when I still had fade or orb to get me out of situations and sometimes would lifegrip me 5 feet away from him. Maybe I did los one of them but bruh 6 times is just throwing
To be perfectly fair, Brig is only played because there's no other hero that can deal with Dive, and with Ana being as broken as she is and Tracer having her permanent meta status, Brig is kind of required, whether or not her ult was changed. I'm not saying the ult change is bad. I'm saying that Brig isn't broken, she's just an actual anti-Dive character now.
Bro you probably medal rank with how your talking “Ana being as broken as she is” tell me your bad at the game without telling me your bad at the game lol
@@ryleytls4950 cause negating all healing for enemies + disabling your ability to play the game for 4 seconds on cooldown, at range + screwed up hitbox + high healing numbers = balanced in combination, yeah?
When it comes to tracking cooldowns especially with Junkrat traps Issue is its 10 seconds but only from when he puts it down, so unless you see them put it down or know the time between when it wasn't and now is there, you can't really track that cooldown. Most of the time I trap a ball, I already have another trap ready to place.
the brig pickrate in that tiktok wasnt doubled to account for the fact that there are two supports. so that chart is actually showing a 51 percent pickrate in the main support slot. meaning if its 45 percent now it went DOWN over time, not up. not saying she's not broken. but her pickrate ISN'T climbing according to those stats
Zaryas good to copy as well! 300 hp isnt really that mich lower than zaryas base hp. Bubble and hold w for ult and then you can still combo grav with the other tank ults which is a very powerful. Grav shatter or grav minefeild, etc.
Eh, kinda bad on this patch. With slower ult building in clone it makes it difficult to quickly build up zarya charge and still have enough time to build her ult. I would just stick with more reliable damage like reaper or soldier.
@@breezybuster2174 they nerfed the buildup so people weren't getting 2 ults. You can still easily build ults on clone if you're playing it right. People were getting like 2-3 pulse bombs on tracer clone that's the issue
And zarya is reliable damage. The only issue really is that you have to time it well to be able to actually get charged up immediately so you're doing more damage. So I'll definitely concede that there's not as many transferable skills to playing echo. So copying DPS definitely makes sense as they're probably much easier to transfer your playstyle into. Supports can be really good to copy too, there's so many good support ultimates
To be fair brig has always been the top main support pick in Winston DIVE metas (Winston rush metas are a different thing), it wouldn't surprise me if the stats were similar even without the change
I mean, I'm watching OWL pretty often and I like to say that its really fun to watch. There are so many different combs that get played. I see: Rein, Sym/Hanzo/Sombra, Mei, Lucio, Bap/Ana. Ram, SJ/Hanzo/Sombra, Mei, Ana, Lucio. Winston, Tracer, Sombra/Hanzo, Brig, Ana. Junkerqueen, Genji/Sombra, Tracer, Lucio, Kiriko ... countless tbh. even Moira, Reaper, DVA, Zarya, Doom... Last year it literally was like: *Winston, SJ, Reaper, Kiriko, Lucio or LOSE!*
@mitchhamilton64 if you had seen or cared to look at his stuff,He was actually very against the major buffs he got in S2 since they weren't addressing dooms problems correctly. Now we have him the way he is rn where a majority of people with brains won't attack his block or have enough time to stop which makes it pretty pointless sometimes. Anyway,if you're having trouble with doom still then that's just a skill issue on your part. There's plenty of counters.
love how Flats is still so sure that the reason Brig is played in OWL is cuz she's OP and not cuz IT'S FUCKING DIVE META. WHAT ELSE R U GONNA PLAY ZEN???????
Speaking of Jayne, anyone knows how he's doing? I know the stuff that went down around 2022 but not too much since. Hope he's well, miss him a ton for the ow community
As a gold Support main I can say that at least in my ranked games, I can go weaver and it is pretty easy to bully the enemies because I heal bot for a while, then I shoot my Recoil-less Needler LMG, and once I get low, I use dash, keep fighting and healing, if they push too hard or I get low again, I use pedal and its like showing a monkey a magic trick, I go above them and stand in the middle of my pedal for a few seconds and they forget I exist. Then I almost always get at least one of their DPS, then I use dash to get away, and by that time I only got like 2-3 seconds before I can use another pedal, so I pedal again and use my dash to leave. Yesterday I was playing weaver and did that strat and ended up with a solid amount of damage, more heals than our Mercy, and had like 13 deaths prevented from lifegrip. Plus tree is IMO one of the best healing ults in the game (only refering to ults that strictly heal such as Mercy, Zen and Lucio kinda)
His winrate on lifeweaver is high because he isn't playing tiktok moira anymore and hard feeding the enemy team. Instead his team is now carrying his ass
Discord orb's 25% damage increase is not equivalent to removing 25% of someone's health. It's equivalent to dividing their health by 1.25, which is the same as multiplying by 0.8. This means 200HP becomes 160HP and Roadhog's 700HP becomes 560HP.
She has a high pick rate bc Dive is very potent in a coordinated team environment. We should stop comparing the live service game to the OWL where the players are the cream of the crop. It's like saying 3pt in basketball are OP but you only base it off of Steph Curry and every other NBA player. Brig has one very important role that counters coordination and that is protecting the main healer. She also auto heals by point and clicking or just existing too, so it doesn't take much mechanical skill to heal with her either.
It's funny that he responds that way to a valid criticism. Tanks feed a lot in the lower ranks, I've killed many myself, and I've lost many games when mine feeds. This is probably one of the many reasons why lifeweaver has a higher win rate in the lower ranks because higher ranked tanks don't feed as much. Thus, one of his moves is almost useless
3:42 yeah tbh, if you're going against a sombra, it's best to just always assume she's gonna be able to hack you. Do your best to land those first couple of bullets on her so she can't hack you. Trying to guess when she'll have hack or not isn't worth your mental resources.
to the people arguing that their games are getting thrown by bad Tank players overextending or Support players throwing, need you be reminded that OW is a team game, meaning everyone has impact, and if one player isn't having that impact, compared to the other team with 5 players having impact, you'll be at a disadvantage. Stop the war between roles, and start shitting on bad players, regardless of role, and don't blame them throwing on their role.
I had a Sombra one game who ended up 0 5 0 with 60 dmg after first round of CP 99% to 99%, ulted once during overtime probably meleed someone accidentally. This was around d5 too.
10:07 im also in low rank and while id never swap to L-L-L-LIFEWEAVER!!! it is very annoying when the tank overextends hard and i have to use my movement ability to get to them (i usually play kiri or bap so its not that bad) and they either die a miserable death or i save their ass. Then sometimes when the round ends theyll even come up to me and spam "i need healing" like BROTHA, IVE BEEN HEALING 80% OF THIS MATCH BECAUSE YOU WONT PLAY COVER AND WONT RESTRAIN YOURSELF FROM OVEREXTENDING! Its just a bit annoying when they dont know how to not stand directly inside the enemy team.
"It's better to have 5 people doing the 'bad thing' than 1 person doing the 'bad thing' and 4 people doing the 'smart thing'." Okay...but what if the enemy team are all doing the "smart thing"? Then you still lose because your team got one-guy'd anyway.
As brig I was going for a stupid flank in a game and caught the enemy orisa coming from spawn and just beat her to death by myself while she had ult and I didn’t
With the Echo tip, I feel like Ana and Kiriko can work _situationally_. If you copy Ana, you still shouldn't be off on the frontline or anything, and if you're behind your tank when they're taking small amounts of poke and blocking your sightline of the enemy, Nano can be tough to build. Kiriko has a similar issue in that her healing is more reliable than her damage, but that healing isn't always going to be required, nor is Rush an easy ult to build. Might sound weird, but I'd argue that Zen, Bap, and Mercy are probably the best supports to copy, seeing as even without their ults, Discord, Lamp, and Rez are incredibly powerful, along with the damage/damage boost they can provide.
As a Main Support player, I like that Brig is better because it means that I can play more than just Lucio on every single map with my scrim team. I still like Lucio more overall, but sometimes not being in Lucio jail is nice.
@@demonassault5912 I wish it was as simple as that, but they literally flick their cross hair onto my head - sometimes it doesn't even seem like their cross hair is on my head when I view the death cam
@@VezaihoYes, flick shots are pretty easy to land on someone if you know exactly where they are moving. Trying to take power positions against a character that is the literal Queen of power positioning normally doesn't end well, unless you're just better
had a great time watching chat complain about the audio. Can't hear anything and then blasting their ears out 🤣 I feel you guys though. Some of these are way quite compared to flats commentary audio.
I main tank and dps and my friend mains dps and support, he's been playing lifeweaver and we've actually been rolling and he has the most clutch life grips
Zen isn't OP really, Discord Orb just sucks. It's a shitty ability that's not fun to play against. Outside of Discord Orb people love Zen, even flats says that, but being discorded for 90% of the game is terrible
@@nyxislost553 I’ll take being discorded all game over a mercy pocket. At least I can deal with zen swiftly with Zarya, monkey even JQ and hog…even D’va can jump him. What can you do against something like pharmacy? Nothing as a tank, best you can do as support is go mercy too and hope your dps are good.
@@ghostirq I'd rather survive and not be able to kill much than not be able to survive because one player pressed one button and now I have to play like a coward or hard feed. Also Zen's ult is boring. Not overpowered, just boring.
@@justanotherLunny you sound lazy and don’t like a challenge. You know if you’re out of sight or behind a shield for 3 seconds the orb goes away right? You can also dive him. There is multiple ways to easily deal with him, but you choose to be whiny and bitchy. Git gud
I only pull on Lifeweaver if youre about to die or if you get in my way while im trying to pull the guy thats about to die and he dies anyway but youre pissed cos I pulled you.
Alright, someone said "discord orb", time to retype my solution to it yet again. Basically, i think that if discord orb stays on a target its effectiveness should decrease over time until it's moved off and *stays* off for a few seconds, forcing you to keep switching targets to get maximum value. That way tanks can exist in a fight that has a zen and zen players get to feel the absolute rush you get from constantly tossing discord at different targets
"Stop shooting the horse" Holy shit the amount of times my whole team farms the enemy orisa for dmg stats while she's being double pocketed and running everyone on the team down, meanwhile complaining that I have low damage because I'm trying to hit anything BUT the orisa while screaming "TANK DIFF" is single handedly making me want to quit this game.
with Lifeviewer on the team I won 2!! games (should I write how many lost? all the rest ~_~ 20+ probably): in one we pushed them hard on the bot (3 fights happened on their spawn), and in the second he did not touch the tank as much as possible, and put DPS on the platform in the air, and since both were hitscans - enemies fell apart. It was plat1 - diamond4-5 games
i mean flats, you weren’t right. You and samito were crying saying she’s gonna be ultra-broken. Nobody denied that she was gonna be good after the buff, but you were throwing a fit saying she was going to be broken.
@mitchhamilton64 Ana was also more picked, yet he didn't complain about her. Sleep and anti are broken abilities, BTW. Ana is his favorite support, so yeah, lol.
Ive been playing solider more lately and although yes, i try to shoot the supports and dps more, the tanks are always coming at me and idk where my tank(s) are.
I cant even track my own fuckin cooldown and you guys expect me to track others? :D Edit: The flying rein is definitely getting "fixed" but it is hilarious that this works now.
Bro that soldier was a tracking god
Pretty sure that was a soft aim bot 1:48 and 1:59 look very weird and the never using ult thing is weird considering it gives headshots + free hits + instant reload + easy long range kills. High elo soldier players still use it. A low elo cheater would probably not use it, on the other hand.
@@wongwong1517 could be, could just be skill. Not really enough to see for sure
@@wongwong1517 looks like maybe a lower sens or heavier mice tracking and his target priority doesn’t seem like it’s an aimbot.
@@wongwong1517lol i doubt it, it isnt that hard to track like that
Seriously
I will never stop laughing at “Brig is being run with GENJI to flank and take duels.”
Is brig and genji really that good? I don’t see it lol
@@TipppedScales1015 it’s an OWL thing but I wouldn’t be surprised if they it happens in top 500 lobbies
Brig, genii, reaper, rein, mercy. The lightsaber build.
Lmao same
"Ana isn't OP af" Ana goes 50% pick rate
That Ana/Brig double standard is wild to me.
yeah it’s almost like having a high pick rate doesn’t mean a character is OP and we should instead evaluate their kit and how they compare to the meta/game wow
Brig isn't op
Ana isn't op
As I wipe and save the game using either with little to no problem and potato aim.
@@x0gucx what rank are you in?
@@AhPook its ok when ana can hard cc anyone from across the map for 4 seconds, on cooldown no less! but when brig does it at close range in ult, maybe twice at a time if you time it right, for less than a second, its broken and needs nerfed. makes sense
Brig is played so much to counter strong dive heroes like Tracer. Content creators aint gonna admit they just have PTSD from OW1
Tracer with 60+% pickrate since release? Fine
Any support character playing the game? Noooo broken
@@Relevart9169 LOL and Ana had a higher pick rate.
Yeah and one of the main reasons she played cos she can counter winton really well. And winton has 54 pic rate.
small thing I wanna point out, people were most likely gaslighting that Brig isn;t as good mainly cause a lot of OW1 veterans were saying she's gonna be broken like in OW1 when she came out and is gonna kill the game
also pretty sure she's now so good because it's a dive meta
Yeah because she FORCED it to be dive meta now
@@SadMatte no, it was very much a dove meta already
@@SadMatte my favorite dive character, brig. Stfu
@@immortalls9689 I suppose yeah, but now it's absolutely dive
@@Relevart9169 ???
10:50 grip is for saving from ults, pull a tank when he’s not already dead and they’ll throw 100% of the time
I swear the only time you get flamed for not using grip is when they run up to the enemy spawn and expect you to phase them through a wall.
Had a Dva fly around the map bc I pulled them out of Mei ults they missed lol I don't think the console playerbase was ready for Weaver yet
Had a lifeweaver use at least 6 lifegrips on me (moira) as if my 2 tanks didn’t need them. I kept telling him to stop because he was wasting a 20 second CD when I still had fade or orb to get me out of situations and sometimes would lifegrip me 5 feet away from him. Maybe I did los one of them but bruh 6 times is just throwing
LifeWeaver players tend to be either braindead or trolling.
@@marvynjeanbaptiste3206 wait did you just say two tanks
THE REIN LIFEWEAVER TECH WORKS WITH SHATTER TOO. It actually works with most ability’s that change momentum state such as transcendence and orisa ult
To be perfectly fair, Brig is only played because there's no other hero that can deal with Dive, and with Ana being as broken as she is and Tracer having her permanent meta status, Brig is kind of required, whether or not her ult was changed.
I'm not saying the ult change is bad. I'm saying that Brig isn't broken, she's just an actual anti-Dive character now.
She was already used so she didn't need the buff. She's a good anti dive, but she shouldn't be the entire answer to dives.
That Ana nade nerf made me literally laugh out loud. No support mains on the dev team left I guess
Bro you probably medal rank with how your talking “Ana being as broken as she is” tell me your bad at the game without telling me your bad at the game lol
Probably didn’t play OW1 either you don’t seem to understand how the game works would make sense ur probably hard stuck metal rank lol
@@ryleytls4950 cause negating all healing for enemies + disabling your ability to play the game for 4 seconds on cooldown, at range + screwed up hitbox + high healing numbers = balanced in combination, yeah?
When it comes to tracking cooldowns especially with Junkrat traps
Issue is its 10 seconds but only from when he puts it down, so unless you see them put it down or know the time between when it wasn't and now is there, you can't really track that cooldown.
Most of the time I trap a ball, I already have another trap ready to place.
the brig pickrate in that tiktok wasnt doubled to account for the fact that there are two supports. so that chart is actually showing a 51 percent pickrate in the main support slot. meaning if its 45 percent now it went DOWN over time, not up. not saying she's not broken. but her pickrate ISN'T climbing according to those stats
no, shhhhh, youre disturbing the echo chamber with facts
Zaryas good to copy as well! 300 hp isnt really that mich lower than zaryas base hp. Bubble and hold w for ult and then you can still combo grav with the other tank ults which is a very powerful. Grav shatter or grav minefeild, etc.
Against the right teams, I think she is really good to copy.
Eh, kinda bad on this patch. With slower ult building in clone it makes it difficult to quickly build up zarya charge and still have enough time to build her ult. I would just stick with more reliable damage like reaper or soldier.
@@breezybuster2174 I say its a good pick if the other team isn't playing a good DPS to copy.
@@breezybuster2174 they nerfed the buildup so people weren't getting 2 ults. You can still easily build ults on clone if you're playing it right. People were getting like 2-3 pulse bombs on tracer clone that's the issue
And zarya is reliable damage. The only issue really is that you have to time it well to be able to actually get charged up immediately so you're doing more damage. So I'll definitely concede that there's not as many transferable skills to playing echo. So copying DPS definitely makes sense as they're probably much easier to transfer your playstyle into. Supports can be really good to copy too, there's so many good support ultimates
To be fair brig has always been the top main support pick in Winston DIVE metas (Winston rush metas are a different thing), it wouldn't surprise me if the stats were similar even without the change
8:22 discord orb technically only makes 20% of the hp go poof (160 damage ×1.25 discord orb =200, 160/200= 80%) still broken though
You also need to factor in that it also reduces all health you replenish by 20%, which is even worse than if it was simply a 25% health reduction.
I mean, I'm watching OWL pretty often and I like to say that its really fun to watch. There are so many different combs that get played.
I see:
Rein, Sym/Hanzo/Sombra, Mei, Lucio, Bap/Ana.
Ram, SJ/Hanzo/Sombra, Mei, Ana, Lucio.
Winston, Tracer, Sombra/Hanzo, Brig, Ana.
Junkerqueen, Genji/Sombra, Tracer, Lucio, Kiriko
...
countless tbh.
even Moira, Reaper, DVA, Zarya, Doom...
Last year it literally was like:
*Winston, SJ, Reaper, Kiriko, Lucio or LOSE!*
Getquakedon is pretty much done with OW2 or rather hes given up on trying to help balance doom lol
im sure his "balances" would just be more broken doom techs. fuck that
@mitchhamilton64 if you had seen or cared to look at his stuff,He was actually very against the major buffs he got in S2 since they weren't addressing dooms problems correctly. Now we have him the way he is rn where a majority of people with brains won't attack his block or have enough time to stop which makes it pretty pointless sometimes.
Anyway,if you're having trouble with doom still then that's just a skill issue on your part. There's plenty of counters.
love how Flats is still so sure that the reason Brig is played in OWL is cuz she's OP and not cuz IT'S FUCKING DIVE META. WHAT ELSE R U GONNA PLAY ZEN???????
you came in here so hot to be so wrong
Mercy, Lucio, Moira, kiriko.
@@SnailSnail-lo4pm Mercy isn't good with dive, Lúcio WAS played, Moira sucks in pro and Kiriko is also not good with dive
@@stridersync bruh Brig was literally DESIGNED to stop Dive meta OFC she's gonna be played when dive meta happens! you're the one wrong lol
@@TheRedRos they're not as bad as fucking ANA though???
That soldier doesn't even need visor fr.
There's no such thing as bad Rein skin
flats tiktok vids appearing exactly when I'm abt to eat >>>
Super niche correction but 11:46 OWL is playing on a special patch where Brig's ult bug is fixed but otherwise its the pre season 4 patch
if one person does something stupid, it's "throwing" if 4-5 people do something stupid, it's a strategy
Wouldn't brig be picked anyways? She goes well with the meta even in her old state.
when you told bro to never cook again i can assure you my burger was raw dawg
"it's not a bug, Its a feature"
Speaking of Jayne, anyone knows how he's doing? I know the stuff that went down around 2022 but not too much since. Hope he's well, miss him a ton for the ow community
He's weird don't care
He died gg
@@akshayakshay2081 do you have something meaningful to say?
@@FGPlus if you don't care then don't comment. I didn't ask for your opinion so don't be like the vegans and crossfitters.
@@FGPlus Nobody cares what you think, you are irrelevant
I like my burgers well-done. Don't fight me, I'll probably lose
When did "one-trick" become "specialist?"
First time I'm hearing it.
As a gold Support main I can say that at least in my ranked games, I can go weaver and it is pretty easy to bully the enemies because I heal bot for a while, then I shoot my Recoil-less Needler LMG, and once I get low, I use dash, keep fighting and healing, if they push too hard or I get low again, I use pedal and its like showing a monkey a magic trick, I go above them and stand in the middle of my pedal for a few seconds and they forget I exist. Then I almost always get at least one of their DPS, then I use dash to get away, and by that time I only got like 2-3 seconds before I can use another pedal, so I pedal again and use my dash to leave. Yesterday I was playing weaver and did that strat and ended up with a solid amount of damage, more heals than our Mercy, and had like 13 deaths prevented from lifegrip. Plus tree is IMO one of the best healing ults in the game (only refering to ults that strictly heal such as Mercy, Zen and Lucio kinda)
I love you so much Flats, your takes are pure gold.
just like his skill in the gmae if he wasnt carried by former owl players
As ball, you dont track sombras translocator itself. You learn where she can and cant be, and learn her head as well.
Oh no not the "why do i wait for 20 minutes to find a match, only to get low diamond torb one trick with no mic" xD
His winrate on lifeweaver is high because he isn't playing tiktok moira anymore and hard feeding the enemy team. Instead his team is now carrying his ass
I’m not gonna lie that dude In the first tik tok was trynna validate his own feelings 😭
1 person doing something stupid is an idiot, a team doing something stupid together is a plan
Discord orb's 25% damage increase is not equivalent to removing 25% of someone's health. It's equivalent to dividing their health by 1.25, which is the same as multiplying by 0.8. This means 200HP becomes 160HP and Roadhog's 700HP becomes 560HP.
The doom turn punch I remember learning about in an old Brandito rollout video😊
huu can I mention that maybe MAYBE brig thas a high pick rate BECAUSE tracer has 7568% pick rate?
I mean, counter pick, all that...
No, impossible. Remember how everyone was showing pictures from top 500 and the top 2 heroes were Sojourn and Genji but only Sojourn was broken?
She has a high pick rate bc Dive is very potent in a coordinated team environment. We should stop comparing the live service game to the OWL where the players are the cream of the crop. It's like saying 3pt in basketball are OP but you only base it off of Steph Curry and every other NBA player. Brig has one very important role that counters coordination and that is protecting the main healer. She also auto heals by point and clicking or just existing too, so it doesn't take much mechanical skill to heal with her either.
as a support main the bait almost actually got me tilted 😭
It's funny that he responds that way to a valid criticism.
Tanks feed a lot in the lower ranks, I've killed many myself, and I've lost many games when mine feeds.
This is probably one of the many reasons why lifeweaver has a higher win rate in the lower ranks because higher ranked tanks don't feed as much. Thus, one of his moves is almost useless
@@spongebobislyfe5906 Flats just picks and chooses his biased takes and his 6yo fans eat it up for whatever reason
This was a treat.
That Zen one was so fucking funny
3:42 yeah tbh, if you're going against a sombra, it's best to just always assume she's gonna be able to hack you. Do your best to land those first couple of bullets on her so she can't hack you. Trying to guess when she'll have hack or not isn't worth your mental resources.
The first one:
It also gets messy at bottom of the barrel Bronze.
to the people arguing that their games are getting thrown by bad Tank players overextending or Support players throwing, need you be reminded that OW is a team game, meaning everyone has impact, and if one player isn't having that impact, compared to the other team with 5 players having impact, you'll be at a disadvantage. Stop the war between roles, and start shitting on bad players, regardless of role, and don't blame them throwing on their role.
yo thats me! 3:45
I had a Sombra one game who ended up 0 5 0 with 60 dmg after first round of CP 99% to 99%, ulted once during overtime probably meleed someone accidentally. This was around d5 too.
based on what i saw a twitch chatter say:
nintendo/gamefreak/blizzard crossover. wrecking ball pokeball skin with him looking like pikachu.
No way that guy hated on the John Deere Doomfist skin
I did not listen to a word the first dude said becuase i was so on bros tracking 😂
10:07 im also in low rank and while id never swap to L-L-L-LIFEWEAVER!!! it is very annoying when the tank overextends hard and i have to use my movement ability to get to them (i usually play kiri or bap so its not that bad) and they either die a miserable death or i save their ass. Then sometimes when the round ends theyll even come up to me and spam "i need healing" like BROTHA, IVE BEEN HEALING 80% OF THIS MATCH BECAUSE YOU WONT PLAY COVER AND WONT RESTRAIN YOURSELF FROM OVEREXTENDING!
Its just a bit annoying when they dont know how to not stand directly inside the enemy team.
"It's better to have 5 people doing the 'bad thing' than 1 person doing the 'bad thing' and 4 people doing the 'smart thing'."
Okay...but what if the enemy team are all doing the "smart thing"? Then you still lose because your team got one-guy'd anyway.
As brig I was going for a stupid flank in a game and caught the enemy orisa coming from spawn and just beat her to death by myself while she had ult and I didn’t
The DISCORD ORB one wasssss so funny and good and the bugs channel I mean you know if you enjoy somthing you learn and do it better
Quaked writes essays just for Zbra to better is crazy
getqueefedon is unlistenable too
Cuz he doesn't play Doom optimally
With the Echo tip, I feel like Ana and Kiriko can work _situationally_. If you copy Ana, you still shouldn't be off on the frontline or anything, and if you're behind your tank when they're taking small amounts of poke and blocking your sightline of the enemy, Nano can be tough to build. Kiriko has a similar issue in that her healing is more reliable than her damage, but that healing isn't always going to be required, nor is Rush an easy ult to build. Might sound weird, but I'd argue that Zen, Bap, and Mercy are probably the best supports to copy, seeing as even without their ults, Discord, Lamp, and Rez are incredibly powerful, along with the damage/damage boost they can provide.
Flats try not to make food related titles challenge
As a Main Support player, I like that Brig is better because it means that I can play more than just Lucio on every single map with my scrim team. I still like Lucio more overall, but sometimes not being in Lucio jail is nice.
Guess the addiction overrode again
Only at high level play?.. I feel every widowmaker I meet hits a headshot all the time?
That usually means you’re standing still or moving predictably
@@demonassault5912 I wish it was as simple as that, but they literally flick their cross hair onto my head - sometimes it doesn't even seem like their cross hair is on my head when I view the death cam
@@VezaihoYes, flick shots are pretty easy to land on someone if you know exactly where they are moving.
Trying to take power positions against a character that is the literal Queen of power positioning normally doesn't end well, unless you're just better
@@birbman5186 Thanks, that helped a lot.
@@Vezaiho I feel the same way as you.
Yo I fuckin opened this, clicked off to watch later and when I got back to it I literally had burgers Lmao
I saved up my coins to get that Junker Queen skin because it's the one she has in the animated shirt and it's badass
That's my favourite orisa skin
As a discord orb abuser I can safely say I am the main character.
As a Sombra main that guy was so based about the most hated characters. I can’t play this character without being called several homophobic slurs
had a great time watching chat complain about the audio. Can't hear anything and then blasting their ears out 🤣 I feel you guys though. Some of these are way quite compared to flats commentary audio.
Do not let him cook 5:05
I main tank and dps and my friend mains dps and support, he's been playing lifeweaver and we've actually been rolling and he has the most clutch life grips
Am I dumb or was the soldier int he first clip like... cracked as fuck? Who is that dude?
Homie's tracking is something else.
we don't call them onetricks anymore?
The clickbait title got me lol
Hmmm that chart didn’t show how “op” Zen is 🤔
It also didn’t show how hog was when he was hard meta in everything except owl
What’s your point here
Zen isn't OP really, Discord Orb just sucks. It's a shitty ability that's not fun to play against. Outside of Discord Orb people love Zen, even flats says that, but being discorded for 90% of the game is terrible
@@nyxislost553 I’ll take being discorded all game over a mercy pocket. At least I can deal with zen swiftly with Zarya, monkey even JQ and hog…even D’va can jump him. What can you do against something like pharmacy? Nothing as a tank, best you can do as support is go mercy too and hope your dps are good.
@@ghostirq I'd rather survive and not be able to kill much than not be able to survive because one player pressed one button and now I have to play like a coward or hard feed.
Also Zen's ult is boring. Not overpowered, just boring.
@@justanotherLunny you sound lazy and don’t like a challenge. You know if you’re out of sight or behind a shield for 3 seconds the orb goes away right? You can also dive him. There is multiple ways to easily deal with him, but you choose to be whiny and bitchy. Git gud
I only pull on Lifeweaver if youre about to die or if you get in my way while im trying to pull the guy thats about to die and he dies anyway but youre pissed cos I pulled you.
9:15 BASED
Love this Tiktok reacts
I think you should put Discord Orb on your opponent.
Alright, someone said "discord orb", time to retype my solution to it yet again. Basically, i think that if discord orb stays on a target its effectiveness should decrease over time until it's moved off and *stays* off for a few seconds, forcing you to keep switching targets to get maximum value. That way tanks can exist in a fight that has a zen and zen players get to feel the absolute rush you get from constantly tossing discord at different targets
Gridiron rein is in my top 3 I can’t accept that kind of slander
"Stop shooting the horse"
Holy shit the amount of times my whole team farms the enemy orisa for dmg stats while she's being double pocketed and running everyone on the team down, meanwhile complaining that I have low damage because I'm trying to hit anything BUT the orisa while screaming "TANK DIFF" is single handedly making me want to quit this game.
nah dude, diving briggite doesn't exist
diving brigitte: 12:19
As zen just hold w fear of death is for people who dont hit shots. Just w, establish dominance. See you in the backline genji
with Lifeviewer on the team I won 2!! games (should I write how many lost? all the rest ~_~ 20+ probably): in one we pushed them hard on the bot (3 fights happened on their spawn), and in the second he did not touch the tank as much as possible, and put DPS on the platform in the air, and since both were hitscans - enemies fell apart. It was plat1 - diamond4-5 games
i mean flats, you weren’t right. You and samito were crying saying she’s gonna be ultra-broken. Nobody denied that she was gonna be good after the buff, but you were throwing a fit saying she was going to be broken.
Flats at least conceded to it not being as OP as he thought, doesn't change that he was still biased tho.
@@SpiritedFalcon def. complete ignores that winston is picked more. its almost like shes a counter to dive or something
@mitchhamilton64 Ana was also more picked, yet he didn't complain about her. Sleep and anti are broken abilities, BTW. Ana is his favorite support, so yeah, lol.
10:54 - As a support im offended by flats words...
U think a braindead tank main understands any other role?
Better tip for second video don't just choose an ult . You should specifically choose your ditto and or your counter..
Ive been playing solider more lately and although yes, i try to shoot the supports and dps more, the tanks are always coming at me and idk where my tank(s) are.
What da dog doin?
Supports aren't the main character unless its ml7. He is the one exception to the rule.
Flats has a higher expectation of the general ow playerbase skill
youtuber " RauKnows " gives excelent tips for mid skill players . 02:48
Holy shit its Kofie from SB Nation
As a brig main im sad to see her buffed, i just want her to be an average pick so she's not good nor bad
This is an interesting time for ow2 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
“5 people doing a dumb thing is better than 1 person doing a dumb thing” Bru if the world think like that? 😂
I cant even track my own fuckin cooldown and you guys expect me to track others? :D
Edit: The flying rein is definitely getting "fixed" but it is hilarious that this works now.
Streamers are like, kinda traumatized with bridgette, lol, i never seen someone play bridgitte and not swap since i started playing back in october
I never really played brig in the 6 years of overwatch, I currently have a 75% win rate on her.
i mean shes not very mechanically demanding. this is just 6 years of overwatch knowledge at work.
Amen brother
Ive also never played zen before and currently have an 88% wr.
Never played Zen prior and had a 90% win rate, lol.
Has there been any lifeweaver hacker vods yet?
i rather die than be pulled by LW it’s so annoying someone else having control over me
The worst skins for tank vid. That guy shall never EVER cook again. The only one he got right was ball and doomfist
the pronunciation of sombra hurts
medium rare borger
Borgar Bing
Bogar yum
That tank skin tiktok SUCKED omg the one thing I still really get worked up about in OW