I tested our setup with a W meter and our Blackstar Artist amp is only pulling about 60W. My inverter is about 87% efficient so we are pulling about 69W out of the battery. W (Watts)=Volts x Amps. So your battery is say 40amps x 12.5V=500w/69W=7.2 hours of use from a full charge. Your big speaker is similar to ours and it uses less than 100W to make enough sound for the street. I have to admit I questioned the hell out of that and disbelieved the Watt meter I had but it nailed everything else perfectly. So I concluded that they must have some other way of classifying speaker power than power use. It makes no sense to me at all but with your ear drums bleeding it is only using about 150-200W. Long story short assuming your inverter can actually produce 300w (Many absolutely don't)you have enough of power to run 2 of those speakers and your PA and guitar amp if you want. But I possibly would not recommend running any of these cheap inverts too hard. Mine included and it's not cheap. This will mean you are pulling about 27-30 amps from your battery which will be getting near a small battery's limit for constant current draw. I highly recommend anyone getting an inverter to buy a Watt meter. They are fantastic.
@@toast47624 Hi, could you advise me please on the battery I would need for my p.a and mixer? Would be so grateful. I'll give you details if you get back to me. Thanks Sean
@@hanf71 Hi Sean. If I were to build another one spend the money and buy a Lithium battery. Our battery is a 130AH lead acid and since I built it I too have learnt a great deal. Lead acid (PB) batteries should never go below 12.2v the inverter will take them down to 11.5v. This has happened a few times now and it has defiantly reduced the capacity of the battery. I spent good money on that battery too. It was by no means the cheapest on the market. We recently busked for 5 hours running 2x Guitar amps, 2x DB F12 speakers, 1x Tablet and the Presonus desk. By the end of it the battery was down to 12.2v. Frankly something like this would possibly do the job and far cheaper than building one. Just remember to never ever let a battery go flat! That's any battery I mean. www.aliexpress.com/item/32958194801.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.3dc0624cmegPU7&algo_pvid=ff788ae1-24d6-45c8-b08c-4403eca748a7&algo_expid=ff788ae1-24d6-45c8-b08c-4403eca748a7-2&btsid=0b0a557016206787029244721e0a94&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
@@toast47624 Hi mate, can you please help me with choosing busking batteries….? We want to use Yamaha pas 600BT (680w),and one keyboard and one electric guitar, hopefully play for three hours or more. Please 🤥
Tom I have two Aer amps compact 60s and I’m running a total of 120 watts. There’s 60 W that each speakers required using a 300 W. Pure sine inverter. My battery is a MIADY 36 Ah 460 .8 . Wat At 60% audio power it works from 4 to 7 hr. Life04 Lithium battery. It’s very important to charge at 2 Amps. Slow charges best.
Very good info ...I've got a small 8 ch mixer and a Boss Katana 50w amp..just bought the same inverter as you have...band on the beach tonight! THANKS mate! On ya!
I am in Montreal Canada. I’ve been using a 3000 watt inverter with 2 used deep cycle marine batteries hooked up together in parallel to run a complete JBL DJ rig for up to 7 hours at very high volume. 2x Prx512 tops, 2 x Prx518s subs, 10ch mixer, laptop, and 2 wireless Sennheiser microphones. Works flawlessly. The inverter is not a pure sine wave, but no issues at all with multiple gigs performed. 4 piece Jazz band with multiple vocals as well have rented my inverter set up..
@@hanf71 I recomend getting a portable all in one battery inverter with a Lithium ion phosphate or Lifepoe4 battery. The size will depend on how much gear you plug into it, and how long you need it to last. If you only plug in a few items that don't draw much power and use it for a few hours, I recommend a Pure Sine Wave inverter like the GoLabs i200 from Amazon, or something similar. I have 2 of these for small set ups, and larger set ups as well, and they all work great. Good luck! @partymtl
Just setup a busking rig for my son. Using a backing tracks and a Blackstar Artist 15w at volume that is possibly a bit too loud the entire system is drawing about 150w. It is a 400w rms DB speaker but clearly it's idling. I was very surprised just how little power it was actually using.
Thanks for the vid, really useful, have you busked it or tested out the battery life? I'd be interested to hear how many hours you actually got out of it.
Thank you so much for the info. I'm planning on just playing solo guitar over backing tracks with the Yamaha THR10 ii. I need to take into account the power supply which is 15V 3A which means i need a different converter... obviously right? I'm very bad when it comes to electricity
The black switch on your powerboard is an overload trip - all powerboards must have one. A surge protecting circuit is a different device. You can estimate the life of the power supply by knowing the power consumption. You can either work it out roughly by looking at the power consumption on the panel of the each device and multiplying it by the percentage volume/capacity you set the device at. 38 Ahr at 12 volts = 456 Whr So you could theoretically run a 456 Watt load/device for 1 hour. Or 45.6 Watts for 10 hours. This doesnt include the losses by the inverter so the life of the battery may be about 3/4 of these values depending on how efficient your inverter is (also the power output of your PA is different from the power consumption so you should use the rating or power consumption value written on the back of the equipment. That is, your PA delivering 1000W is not going to consume 1000W. The specification say that it consumes 18W on idle and a maximum of 74W at 1/8 power)
@@tomsoutheymusic Mine never worked very well. It never gets fully charged. You're lucky if there's enough power generated to start a vehicle after the battery goes dead.
I agree a pure sine wave inverter is the way to go when using with PA equipment. Mimics the power that you get at your home. Anything else will cause unwanted hum, and isn't the best for the electronics. I use a 500w inverter, and even power a small fan that I always like to use while playing. I'm using a JBL Eon One amp, a Yamaha mixer, as well as a few other peripherals, and of course my electronic keyboard.
Yay! You said you use a pretty keyboard! :)))))))))) Yes, I do in fact think electronic keyboards are pretty :)). They sound pretty (or at least they can). Seriously though, I've been considering trying something like this myself (although it's a bit different than what was shown here): I have a portable AC power bank, meaning that it combines batteries and inverter into a single unit. It also has USB ports for powering/charging any USB devices like a phone or computer or whatever. So the idea is to play my electronic keyboard outdoors, where there may not be power, and I can have my own little power supply in the form of my power bank. Should work well. Just haven't tried it yet. The keyboard also has its own speakers, so I do not need any fancy speaker system or anything of that nature (I'm not looking for "amazing" professional quality sound as this is all purely for the fun of playing music). I'm not even expecting an audience (my goal here isn't necessarily to attract people and gain recognition or whatever), though of course it never hurts if someone near by just so happens to hear the music and wants to listen.
The original Eon One has a 10" speaker and bass is no problem. As a matter of fact, I just replaced the JBL speaker with an Eminence Neo speaker, which was a nice improvement to low end. The Eon One Compact I believe had an 8" speaker. That version has a built-in battery. JBL made the Eon One line confusing, with several variants.
Hey Tom I’m looking at powering my aer compact 60 as well. Any idea if the battery effects the out? I like recording my sessions to listen back, but I know there’s a chance of a constant hum from portable batteries? All the best
Deep cycle battery vs. lead acid battery? IDK. What's the difference? Duh. I just saw your description. I have two turntables and a 2 channel mixer and an amp I will need to power any ideas? Would these things likely work? Any idea how long that same 12v battery would last? You said above you get 10 hrs with your small amp.
Hey sorry for the slow reply, usually deep cycle batteries ARE lead acid. So the main difference you want to look for when getting a lead acid battery is that it is Deep Cycle (meaning it has a long, slow discharge, ideal for electrical appliances). The other type of lead acid's are like car batteries. These only work for a few seconds when you start your car engine, so they use looots of power really fast. Fast Discharge. And then they do almost nothing until you need to start the car again. Boats and Caravans use Deep Cycle or Leisure batteries. Usually it will say on the sticker! Hope that helps!
Thanks. Do you have to use a mixer if your speaker has the input channels? Presumably I just use the power supply direct to the speaker and use the speaker mixer.
Thanks Tom I might try this,I have a Roland cube street ex I use while I’m busking in Brisbane, have been busking with it about 5yrs, it’s a great amp,I will definitely try your set up ,thanks mate
Still haven't tested this larger setup outdoors yet, as I tend to use my AER Compact 60 when busking (see my other video). But if i do in the near future i'll let you know! :)
Hi. Good video, thanks. I have a question. If I use a battery like that to run a car amplifier, do I need to ground it to something metal, or just to the ground connection on the amplifier?
Hey man, I actually bought this one in Aldi. (supermarket that also sells random things). But you should be able to find similar elsewhere, search "38aH Deep Cycle Battery"
Thanks for an amazing video.. Was wondering about busking equipment and this one really helps... Can we make do with the battery alone or is the inverter mandatory?
The inverter is pretty much essential! The inverter turns the battery into a wall outlet in essence. Without the inverter, the device simply won't work as you're using DC current on a speaker thats probably designed to have AC! Good luck!
Cheers mate! Goodluck with it. If you're after a cheaper option. Maybe a Cubestreet? Or the Bose S1 is an all-in-1 speaker. I think JBL have just bought our a copy of it too which may be cheaper. Goodluck!
Hi! Is there a mixer I could use without connecting it to an external batery? I use a roland cube street so for the amp I don't need an external batery for busking, but I do want to connect more instruments to it, so I thought a mixer would be a good solution. And I wonder if it would work by just connecting it to my roland cube street.
Hey mate! 1000w pure sine wave will work great for most setups! It depends how long you will need it to last. Get a deep cycle battery (lead acid). Anywhere from 12AH-80AH+ The (AH) amp hour, is the batteries capacity, if you want it to last aaaall day long. Go for a bigger battery size (80Ah). Of if you use it for just a 1-2hr gig, go for a smaller size (20-30Ah). That's a rough estimate! Goodluck mate! Also, Bigger means Heavier. So maybe go to a battery store and sus them out. A 80Ah battery is about 20kg! I use a 36Ah battery and 600w pure sinewave inverter and it lasts ages. :)
Random question but have you ever had any issues with buzzing or strange noise coming out of your amp on this setup? I have been trying to use a solar generator ( basically just a battery pack with a lithium battery in it) bought off of Amazon for my line 6 spider valve amp and it's been making a terrible buzzing noise. It's a pure sine wave power bank so I have no idea why it's been happening ( voltage looks as though it matches up fine and there's more than enough power available) and I even have two different solar power banks I've gotten from Amazon and the issue happens with both. Kinda freaked out about getting shocked or something but was just wondering if you think this type of set up would be better at preventing buzzing and any safety hazards?
!!Yes - Similar !! I’m having a buzzing issue when I’m not earthing the strings on my guitar.. I have a completely ‘quiet’ set up when plugged into earthed wall socket, but get noise when I change over to plug into the battery and inverter.. only running a 100watt stage amp and boss pedal board.. I suspect I need a ‘power conditioner’ or introduce an ‘inverter earth’ … any feedback would be appreciated !
How do you carry all this stuff from the car or bus to the street? You can't just leave part of it on the sidewalk while you make more trips back to the car. How do you charge the battery?
Sack trolley! The trick is having a set-up that you can transport in one trip. I keep a foldable trolley in my car, im able to move 1 x pa speaker, pedal board, plus battery and mic stands. And then the guitar in a backpack style case! Once or twice I've had to bring my car around to a loading dock. I have a padlock and cable which I rarely use to lock, speakers mixer, guitar case all together. That way its impossible to carry one item away as they're all connected. Get a good trolley! 👍
@@tomsoutheymusic I don't now what the equivalent American English word is for 'trolley' or 'sack trolly' but in America, a trolley is a mode of transportation, especially the type that operate from cables underground, or electrical wires above. aka cable car. It is an outdated vehicle from the past, except that they are most notably found in San Francisco, a big tourist attraction. SOme city buses are designed to look like old trolleys, but they operated on traditional fuel, no cables or wires above. Some people stand on the running board on the sides and hold on, instead of sitting in a seat. You can do a Google images search for 'san francisco cable car' and I'm sure it would show you. Perhaps you can do a video showing what your sack trolley is, and I'll try to figure out the America term is for what you have, cause right now I don't know. You're getting a great, loud sound. The smaller speaker would be more than enough for me. I may start out with just one of those small battery powered amps. Are there any brands you'd recommend? I just need people on the street nearby to hear me, not people 3 blocks away.
Thanks for the video. Everything I have already has it's own batteries EXCEPT for my mixer. (+I now ur supposed to use a sine wave invertor for music equipment..) Big question is, if I was using a portable camping AC powerbank, would I still need a sine wave inverter if the only thing I plugged into it was an analog mixer? (although it does have built in FX if that matters..?)
Hey mate! Sorry for the slow reply. You'd prrooobably be ok. If it's just the mixer. It's mainly speakers that are best on "pure sinewave" because they have magnets and coils inside :) I'd say it should be okay? But I can't be sure. There's a chance you might get some hum or noise from your mixer (potentially..)
I have a Roland cube street ex, which works on AA batteries, So all I need power for is my multi-effects pedal, and my looper pedal. I am new to running things with battery power and don’t want to mess up my pedals. Could you suggest size of battery and inverter I would need?
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Hello what is the best way to carry it? Do you use a trolley? How long to the battery ends including a pedalboard? Thank you
Hi Ary! Definitely some sort of trolley. I have used a few, currently I use an old cooler box to store the battery and cables. I have a strong folding sack trolley :) The pedalboard power usage is very very small, so it doesn't change the overall life very much. I have never run out of charge, and I often play 3 hrs straight maximum. I think the overall charge would be over 5 hours but have never needed to test it. Hope this helps! Cheers!
Hey Tom! I'm reading lead acid batteries can't handle much discharge past 50%, unlike lithium ion batteries - does yours last 10+ hours with a deep discharge?
Lithium all the way! That's true! Lithium are lighter and better and you would need to buy a deep cycle twice the size to get the same life out of it. Mine lasts a really long time, but I try to never fully discharge it. I'd I can I charge it between gigs so it'll never fall below 50%.
Hello Tom! Nice rig Indeed. I just bought 500w inverter and 20Ah deep cycle battery, but still i haven't fount an active speaker to work with this setup( ev zlx 12p, db opera 10", and a simple sony hifi). Mind that on the battery says max output 2,1 amps. Maybe that's the culprit?
Why do you prefer an acoustic amp for an electric guitar? Would the street cube ex not be better? Not got a clue myself...just asking. Gonna get myself a portable amp soon...what are the advantages of AER over Roland street EX? Is it just personal preference?
I would say sound quality and sound projection. I've used both. The AER is really great at projecting, it really throws quite far and clear, I usually dont ever need to turn it above 50% on the volume dial. But it's more pricey! I get alot of compliments from it! It's a really nice professional sounding amp, you have to test it out to understand! 👍
I'm just using it as an example for this case, I don't usually bring it busking when I play solo. It can work if you're in a band with multiple singers and need lots of inputs! 👍😊
Hi, Thanks for your informative video, first of all! I was curious, with the experience you now have, would you say that this is a good set? Any brands in particular (I live in the Netherlands, as for electricity)? (I have also an AER compact 60 but also different effects.) - 36 AH battery (deep cycle) - Is that enough to handle a few effects? - Battery charger 12 V - 2.4amp charger. - Inverter - pure sine wave inverter (300W, peak power 600W) Thanks again!
Hey David! I've been using this setup for over 12 months and it's always worked great. I've had no problem powering multiple FX pedals alongside the Compact 60. I'm not sure exactly which brand of Inverter is best. Mine doesn't have an obvious manufacturer. I'd just check the output on the inverter, and try to match it with the mains electricity in the Netherlands. (Here is 240v 50hz usually) The battery size at 36AH is more than sufficient, gives some extra room. I never run out of power :) A similar setup should do you fine! Hope that helps mate! All the best!
Hey thank you, how you are going on with your setup.? I asking because i dont like really this normal Basking amps (like Boss) i want to play over a normal amp and a E-Guitar
Hey Nic, its good! much better sound quality and projection using my own Amp. And also much more flexibility with my equipment, I'd definitely recommend.
man why dont you just use a omars powerbank 40200 an cut out that bat an Inverter ? i think it will be so much better im looking at buying that set up for my mpc so i can play in town
TOMSOUTHEYMUSIC, Your charger is at what AMPS, some AMPS are at 4amps and others are at 10amps. The charger that outputs only 4 amps I'm guessing would take hours to charge a 12volt battery?
Hey Bill! My charger there is only about 3amps. As a rough estimate, take the AH rating of your battery. Say its 36AH and you have a 3 amp charger. 36/3 = 12 hours charge time from zero. (theoretically) Keep in mind, its best to not discharge deep cycle batteries below 50% charge. AND It's safer to charge batteries at a lower Amp rating for the health & longevity of the battery. Trickle chargers (low Amps maybe 1 or 2amp chargers) are very slow as they 'trickle' the charge into the battery. But they can be left on for weeks without damage to the battery, they're often beneficial.
@@tomsoutheymusic , ok thanks so I should get a battery charger that is lower amps like 2amps or 4 amp battery charger for a bettery tickle charge the battery for longer life?
With proper care, I believe deep cycle batteries can last up to 6 years. Discharging these batteries below 50% capacity isn't great for their lifespans, so If you want it to last longer try keep it above 50%.
Large Speaker test with Mixer skip to 5:34
I tested our setup with a W meter and our Blackstar Artist amp is only pulling about 60W. My inverter is about 87% efficient so we are pulling about 69W out of the battery.
W (Watts)=Volts x Amps. So your battery is say 40amps x 12.5V=500w/69W=7.2 hours of use from a full charge. Your big speaker is similar to ours and it uses less than 100W to make enough sound for the street. I have to admit I questioned the hell out of that and disbelieved the Watt meter I had but it nailed everything else perfectly. So I concluded that they must have some other way of classifying speaker power than power use. It makes no sense to me at all but with your ear drums bleeding it is only using about 150-200W.
Long story short assuming your inverter can actually produce 300w (Many absolutely don't)you have enough of power to run 2 of those speakers and your PA and guitar amp if you want. But I possibly would not recommend running any of these cheap inverts too hard. Mine included and it's not cheap. This will mean you are pulling about 27-30 amps from your battery which will be getting near a small battery's limit for constant current draw.
I highly recommend anyone getting an inverter to buy a Watt meter. They are fantastic.
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@@toast47624 Hi, could you advise me please on the battery I would need for my p.a and mixer? Would be so grateful. I'll give you details if you get back to me. Thanks Sean
@@hanf71 Hi Sean. If I were to build another one spend the money and buy a Lithium battery. Our battery is a 130AH lead acid and since I built it I too have learnt a great deal. Lead acid (PB) batteries should never go below 12.2v the inverter will take them down to 11.5v. This has happened a few times now and it has defiantly reduced the capacity of the battery. I spent good money on that battery too. It was by no means the cheapest on the market.
We recently busked for 5 hours running 2x Guitar amps, 2x DB F12 speakers, 1x Tablet and the Presonus desk. By the end of it the battery was down to 12.2v.
Frankly something like this would possibly do the job and far cheaper than building one. Just remember to never ever let a battery go flat! That's any battery I mean.
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@@toast47624 Hi mate, can you please help me with choosing busking batteries….? We want to use Yamaha pas 600BT (680w),and one keyboard and one electric guitar, hopefully play for three hours or more. Please 🤥
Finally a simple explanation to busking setups! Thank you!!
Youre welcome mate!!!
for real, even the forum people don't know how to simplify it.
How long can the battery last? And how to charge the battery?
Thanks for sharing your set up. This is the second one with a pure sine inverter and battery. It seems simple and straight forward.
Tom I have two Aer amps compact 60s and I’m running a total of 120 watts. There’s 60 W that each speakers required using a 300 W. Pure sine inverter. My battery is a MIADY 36 Ah 460 .8 . Wat At 60% audio power it works from 4 to 7 hr. Life04 Lithium battery. It’s very important to charge at 2 Amps. Slow charges best.
Very good info ...I've got a small 8 ch mixer and a Boss Katana 50w amp..just bought the same inverter as you have...band on the beach tonight! THANKS mate! On ya!
Very nice video😍 📹 👍! Very informative. Can I use a smaller battery with this same inverter ? Or I need another one ?
I am in Montreal Canada. I’ve been using a 3000 watt inverter with 2 used deep cycle marine batteries hooked up together in parallel to run a complete JBL DJ rig for up to 7 hours at very high volume. 2x Prx512 tops, 2 x Prx518s subs, 10ch mixer, laptop, and 2 wireless Sennheiser microphones. Works flawlessly. The inverter is not a pure sine wave, but no issues at all with multiple gigs performed. 4 piece Jazz band with multiple vocals as well have rented my inverter set up..
Do you get a lot of noise out of that? I have a 1000 watt inverter and it’s very noisy. Any tips to reduce that?
Hi, I need to power a PA speaker and mixer outdoors. Can you tell me what gear I might need please?
@@hanf71 I recomend getting a portable all in one battery inverter with a Lithium ion phosphate or Lifepoe4 battery. The size will depend on how much gear you plug into it, and how long you need it to last. If you only plug in a few items that don't draw much power and use it for a few hours, I recommend a Pure Sine Wave inverter like the GoLabs i200 from Amazon, or something similar. I have 2 of these for small set ups, and larger set ups as well, and they all work great. Good luck!
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Saludos ,cuanto tiempo te dura la carga de la batería?
Great Video ! Do you have a a video about on how to recharging and maintenance for the Deep Cycle Batter.Thank you
Thanks I have been wondering about how to set up for busking. So yeah this is very helpful
Just setup a busking rig for my son. Using a backing tracks and a Blackstar Artist 15w at volume that is possibly a bit too loud the entire system is drawing about 150w. It is a 400w rms DB speaker but clearly it's idling. I was very surprised just how little power it was actually using.
Nice one! Cheers for sharing it's impressive what you can get out of a little setup 👍
Thanks for the vid, really useful, have you busked it or tested out the battery life? I'd be interested to hear how many hours you actually got out of it.
Thanks for the explanation, how many hours can you perform with the battery until it is completely drained?
Hey bud, how do you charge the battery back up once flat? Cheers
greets from Mexico! really useful video... this is the things that are valuable in internet... may you get spiritual and financial success!
Thank you so much for the info. I'm planning on just playing solo guitar over backing tracks with the Yamaha THR10 ii. I need to take into account the power supply which is 15V 3A which means i need a different converter... obviously right? I'm very bad when it comes to electricity
How do you charge the deep cycle battery when it’s discharged? And how many hours of playing before it discharges?
This cleared up so much things for me, thanks a lot!! :)
Great video. Can u plug a PA and a guiatr amp and 4 pedals off this one setup?
Great stuff. Have you looked into using a power bank. Im getting a Mackie profx 10 and I'd like to power it with a power bank.just curious
Hey man, just wondering if you managed to road test this setup and how you got on with it? Thanks for the vid!
Hi, thanks for the great video!! Does this set up create any unwanted noise in the signal?? Thanks Sean
The black switch on your powerboard is an overload trip - all powerboards must have one.
A surge protecting circuit is a different device.
You can estimate the life of the power supply by knowing the power consumption. You can either work it out roughly by looking at the power consumption on the panel of the each device and multiplying it by the percentage volume/capacity you set the device at.
38 Ahr at 12 volts = 456 Whr
So you could theoretically run a 456 Watt load/device for 1 hour. Or 45.6 Watts for 10 hours.
This doesnt include the losses by the inverter so the life of the battery may be about 3/4 of these values depending on how efficient your inverter is
(also the power output of your PA is different from the power consumption so you should use the rating or power consumption value written on the back of the equipment. That is, your PA delivering 1000W is not going to consume 1000W. The specification say that it consumes 18W on idle and a maximum of 74W at 1/8 power)
Do you busk with the tele? How did it go with the 1000 watt pa speaker? Please do a video of you transporting your rig to the gig...
Thanks I’m looking at a small dj set up powering smaller speakers and a laptop. This just may do for a couple hours.
Thanks mate! Appreciate that.
It might be a stupid question but, how do I charge the battery??
Cheers bruv!
You can buy a 12v Battery Charger, or a Trickle Charger (same thing just charges slow). You can find these at car parts stores or hardware stores!
@@tomsoutheymusic Mine never worked very well. It never gets fully charged. You're lucky if there's enough power generated to start a vehicle after the battery goes dead.
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If the battery goes dead, then of course it's not gonna start a car
ah this nice! I think I finally found a great explanation! If I plug my rc505 loop station plug output of 9v, it should be fine?
You will have no problem powering the loop station :)
Get a solar matt to feed the battery as well.
I think the 1000w stands for volume output not power usage.
hey man, thanks so much for the info. Any knowledge on car battery chargers?
Hey great vid, how long were you getting out of that set up?
Thanks for the info 🙏 Happy Busking 👍😎
Hi Tom, great video, do think this set up is powerful enough to use a Nord keyboard and amp for busking? many thanks Simon
greetings from California.... lovely accent...
Thanks so much. Great video, Simple and straight forward. Great info.
I actually picked up a battery and an inverter, works great. Thanks.
Great demo......thanks. I have a Bose L1 and am looking at ways to power it up with battery.........much appreciated.
How many hours would it last using this set up (Speaker, mixer, RC-300 and other 9V pedals)? Did you give it a try yet?
thank you for the video, we hock up a Sears 450 inv. got a buzzing sound. I think I need a pure sign wave inv. you should me it will work.
I agree a pure sine wave inverter is the way to go when using with PA equipment. Mimics the power that you get at your home. Anything else will cause unwanted hum, and isn't the best for the electronics. I use a 500w inverter, and even power a small fan that I always like to use while playing. I'm using a JBL Eon One amp, a Yamaha mixer, as well as a few other peripherals, and of course my electronic keyboard.
Yay! You said you use a pretty keyboard! :))))))))))
Yes, I do in fact think electronic keyboards are pretty :)). They sound pretty (or at least they can).
Seriously though, I've been considering trying something like this myself (although it's a bit different than what was shown here): I have a portable AC power bank, meaning that it combines batteries and inverter into a single unit. It also has USB ports for powering/charging any USB devices like a phone or computer or whatever. So the idea is to play my electronic keyboard outdoors, where there may not be power, and I can have my own little power supply in the form of my power bank. Should work well. Just haven't tried it yet. The keyboard also has its own speakers, so I do not need any fancy speaker system or anything of that nature (I'm not looking for "amazing" professional quality sound as this is all purely for the fun of playing music). I'm not even expecting an audience (my goal here isn't necessarily to attract people and gain recognition or whatever), though of course it never hurts if someone near by just so happens to hear the music and wants to listen.
Hi, I need to power a P.A speaker and mixer outdoors. Could you advise please?
wondering if you've ever put a bass guitar through your Eon One? I think these only have 8" speakers?
The original Eon One has a 10" speaker and bass is no problem. As a matter of fact, I just replaced the JBL speaker with an Eminence Neo speaker, which was a nice improvement to low end. The Eon One Compact I believe had an 8" speaker. That version has a built-in battery. JBL made the Eon One line confusing, with several variants.
Hey Tom I’m looking at powering my aer compact 60 as well. Any idea if the battery effects the out? I like recording my sessions to listen back, but I know there’s a chance of a constant hum from portable batteries? All the best
4 year later - so, did it work over time? is the battery safe to use in the hot sun?
Deep cycle battery vs. lead acid battery? IDK. What's the difference? Duh. I just saw your description. I have two turntables and a 2 channel mixer and an amp I will need to power any ideas? Would these things likely work?
Any idea how long that same 12v battery would last? You said above you get 10 hrs with your small amp.
Hey sorry for the slow reply, usually deep cycle batteries ARE lead acid.
So the main difference you want to look for when getting a lead acid battery is that it is Deep Cycle (meaning it has a long, slow discharge, ideal for electrical appliances).
The other type of lead acid's are like car batteries. These only work for a few seconds when you start your car engine, so they use looots of power really fast. Fast Discharge. And then they do almost nothing until you need to start the car again.
Boats and Caravans use Deep Cycle or Leisure batteries. Usually it will say on the sticker! Hope that helps!
Thanks. Do you have to use a mixer if your speaker has the input channels? Presumably I just use the power supply direct to the speaker and use the speaker mixer.
Yeaah you can use the PA mixer that works too!
Thank you for this video man! Your video was an inspiration to get what we need and start playing out on the street! Wish you the best!
How long does it last with the Yamaha speaker running of the battery
Thanks Tom I might try this,I have a Roland cube street ex I use while I’m busking in Brisbane, have been busking with it about 5yrs, it’s a great amp,I will definitely try your set up ,thanks mate
no worries Mike! Nice one! If you have any other q's hit me up :)
@@tomsoutheymusic cheers mate
How long does your battery take to change,and how many hrs do you roughly get mate
A very clear and nice video mate! Have you had chance to test battery life on your bigger amp and mixer setup? If so how long did it last please?
Still haven't tested this larger setup outdoors yet, as I tend to use my AER Compact 60 when busking (see my other video). But if i do in the near future i'll let you know! :)
@@tomsoutheymusic hey bro, have you tested it yet?
@@bladeleo71 Would like to know too
Hey man thanks for the info! Do you think a 500W converter will work?
Hi. Good video, thanks.
I have a question. If I use a battery like that to run a car amplifier, do I need to ground it to something metal, or just to the ground connection on the amplifier?
How long it can works with 2 speakers 2000w?
Great information! Have you tried something like the Bose S1 Pro, JBL EON ONE Compact or EON ONE PRO?
I've tried the S1 and it's pretty great for its size and ease of use! Not as loud as the AER but excellent value!!
Hey Dude! I dig this video! Where did you buy from your battery? Can you give me a link pls?
Hey man, I actually bought this one in Aldi. (supermarket that also sells random things). But you should be able to find similar elsewhere, search "38aH Deep Cycle Battery"
Thanks for an amazing video.. Was wondering about busking equipment and this one really helps... Can we make do with the battery alone or is the inverter mandatory?
The inverter is pretty much essential!
The inverter turns the battery into a wall outlet in essence. Without the inverter, the device simply won't work as you're using DC current on a speaker thats probably designed to have AC!
Good luck!
@@tomsoutheymusic Ah ok got it. Thanks
i really like what you do man thanks its very clear now. unfortunately it gets so freaking expensive to me geting all these stuff
Cheers mate! Goodluck with it. If you're after a cheaper option. Maybe a Cubestreet? Or the Bose S1 is an all-in-1 speaker. I think JBL have just bought our a copy of it too which may be cheaper. Goodluck!
@@tomsoutheymusic thanks for replying bro yes i was eyeing the bose, its expensive but seems like a good investment. loud, clear and portable.
@@joaquinodriozola4963 just buy a orange crush mini, and use a powerbank baterie or 9V baterie they cost around 50$
How do charge the battery?
awesome video thank you : ) quick question, how does one recharge the battery after it runs out of juice?
You're not gonna believe this, but you need to use a battery charger 😛
Super helpful Tom, thank you for sharing the knowledge
Why not buy a PA system with a rechargeable battery ? Not enough.power ?
Hi! Is there a mixer I could use without connecting it to an external batery? I use a roland cube street so for the amp I don't need an external batery for busking, but I do want to connect more instruments to it, so I thought a mixer would be a good solution. And I wonder if it would work by just connecting it to my roland cube street.
hi , I'm thinking of getting a 1000 w Pure Sine-Wave Inverter what size of battery you think would be good ,thanks
Hey mate! 1000w pure sine wave will work great for most setups!
It depends how long you will need it to last.
Get a deep cycle battery (lead acid).
Anywhere from 12AH-80AH+
The (AH) amp hour, is the batteries capacity, if you want it to last aaaall day long. Go for a bigger battery size (80Ah).
Of if you use it for just a 1-2hr gig, go for a smaller size (20-30Ah).
That's a rough estimate! Goodluck mate!
Also,
Bigger means Heavier. So maybe go to a battery store and sus them out. A 80Ah battery is about 20kg!
I use a 36Ah battery and 600w pure sinewave inverter and it lasts ages. :)
@@tomsoutheymusic thanks bro .iv looked at a few and sent you to see what you think
Go 85 ah if you can, well worth the heavy lifting👍
Random question but have you ever had any issues with buzzing or strange noise coming out of your amp on this setup? I have been trying to use a solar generator ( basically just a battery pack with a lithium battery in it) bought off of Amazon for my line 6 spider valve amp and it's been making a terrible buzzing noise. It's a pure sine wave power bank so I have no idea why it's been happening ( voltage looks as though it matches up fine and there's more than enough power available) and I even have two different solar power banks I've gotten from Amazon and the issue happens with both. Kinda freaked out about getting shocked or something but was just wondering if you think this type of set up would be better at preventing buzzing and any safety hazards?
!!Yes - Similar !! I’m having a buzzing issue when I’m not earthing the strings on my guitar.. I have a completely ‘quiet’ set up when plugged into earthed wall socket, but get noise when I change over to plug into the battery and inverter.. only running a 100watt stage amp and boss pedal board.. I suspect I need a ‘power conditioner’ or introduce an ‘inverter earth’ … any feedback would be appreciated !
Can you use vocal and guitar pedals with the AER setup?
Hey Jane! I use lots of pedals and a vox harmony pedal when I play. Works fine on the same set-up. :) pedals are only a very small load.
Wow the bigger setup sound super nice. What type of reverb settings used on the mixer?
Just a Preset Hall Reverb on the mixer :)
How many hours you can play on this power supply setup , mate ?
How do you carry all this stuff from the car or bus to the street? You can't just leave part of it on the sidewalk while you make more trips back to the car. How do you charge the battery?
Sack trolley! The trick is having a set-up that you can transport in one trip.
I keep a foldable trolley in my car, im able to move 1 x pa speaker, pedal board, plus battery and mic stands. And then the guitar in a backpack style case!
Once or twice I've had to bring my car around to a loading dock.
I have a padlock and cable which I rarely use to lock, speakers mixer, guitar case all together.
That way its impossible to carry one item away as they're all connected.
Get a good trolley! 👍
@@tomsoutheymusic I don't now what the equivalent American English word is for 'trolley' or 'sack trolly' but in America, a trolley is a mode of transportation, especially the type that operate from cables underground, or electrical wires above. aka cable car. It is an outdated vehicle from the past, except that they are most notably found in San Francisco, a big tourist attraction. SOme city buses are designed to look like old trolleys, but they operated on traditional fuel, no cables or wires above. Some people stand on the running board on the sides and hold on, instead of sitting in a seat. You can do a Google images search for 'san francisco cable car' and I'm sure it would show you. Perhaps you can do a video showing what your sack trolley is, and I'll try to figure out the America term is for what you have, cause right now I don't know. You're getting a great, loud sound. The smaller speaker would be more than enough for me. I may start out with just one of those small battery powered amps. Are there any brands you'd recommend? I just need people on the street nearby to hear me, not people 3 blocks away.
240v is usually more power-efficient; wondering if I should go that route....
Thanks for the video. Everything I have already has it's own batteries EXCEPT for my mixer. (+I now ur supposed to use a sine wave invertor for music equipment..) Big question is, if I was using a portable camping AC powerbank, would I still need a sine wave inverter if the only thing I plugged into it was an analog mixer? (although it does have built in FX if that matters..?)
Hey mate! Sorry for the slow reply. You'd prrooobably be ok. If it's just the mixer.
It's mainly speakers that are best on "pure sinewave" because they have magnets and coils inside :)
I'd say it should be okay? But I can't be sure. There's a chance you might get some hum or noise from your mixer (potentially..)
Nice setup and great video! What pedals do you use?
Hey dude, how do you work out how much power you need, for how long it'll run and what would blow the system?
Can anyone explain where the advantages for a PA system is.. Would it not be muche more easier to by something like Roland street Ex? Best regards
I have a Roland cube street ex, which works on AA batteries, So all I need power for is my multi-effects pedal, and my looper pedal. I am new to running things with battery power and don’t want to mess up my pedals. Could you suggest size of battery and inverter I would need?
Hello what is the best way to carry it? Do you use a trolley? How long to the battery ends including a pedalboard? Thank you
Hi Ary! Definitely some sort of trolley. I have used a few, currently I use an old cooler box to store the battery and cables. I have a strong folding sack trolley :)
The pedalboard power usage is very very small, so it doesn't change the overall life very much.
I have never run out of charge, and I often play 3 hrs straight maximum.
I think the overall charge would be over 5 hours but have never needed to test it.
Hope this helps!
Cheers!
@@tomsoutheymusic Thank you
This is brilliant and has been invaluable thankyou.
Hi there
Just wondering what the Yamaha amp sounds like in person and the price of one of those things in Australian
If I ran a fender hot rod deluxe through this set up, is there a chance I could get zapped?
Hey Tom! I'm reading lead acid batteries can't handle much discharge past 50%, unlike lithium ion batteries - does yours last 10+ hours with a deep discharge?
Lithium all the way! That's true! Lithium are lighter and better and you would need to buy a deep cycle twice the size to get the same life out of it.
Mine lasts a really long time, but I try to never fully discharge it.
I'd I can I charge it between gigs so it'll never fall below 50%.
Hello Tom! Nice rig Indeed. I just bought 500w inverter and 20Ah deep cycle battery, but still i haven't fount an active speaker to work with this setup( ev zlx 12p, db opera 10", and a simple sony hifi). Mind that on the battery says max output 2,1 amps. Maybe that's the culprit?
Hey Tom! Hmmm... what does it say is the output on the inverter? 240v 50hz?
@@tomsoutheymusic yes! Exactly. An all the speacers works with this power rating (220-250V , 45 - 55 Hz)
It looks like your inverter doesn't have a grounding option but mine does, what do I do about this? any help would be appreciated
Tha is for this. How many plugs can you run? Like an amp and a mixer?.I don't have a dual amp n mixer...
do you thinnk the same setup will power a roland cube 30 and a mini computer with some midi keyboards? at the same time?
Why do you prefer an acoustic amp for an electric guitar?
Would the street cube ex not be better?
Not got a clue myself...just asking.
Gonna get myself a portable amp soon...what are the advantages of AER over Roland street EX?
Is it just personal preference?
I would say sound quality and sound projection. I've used both. The AER is really great at projecting, it really throws quite far and clear, I usually dont ever need to turn it above 50% on the volume dial. But it's more pricey!
I get alot of compliments from it! It's a really nice professional sounding amp, you have to test it out to understand! 👍
@@tomsoutheymusic
I appreciate you taking the time to get back to me.
Thanks mate!
Have a good day!
How many hours can you use this set up?
Really helpful_
I'm thinking to go out on our local streets(Busking) someday that was helpful@
Would my 180W Fishman performer work on this? It’s a one box PA system.
Most amplifier combos have instrument and mic in, why do you use a big mixer?
I'm just using it as an example for this case, I don't usually bring it busking when I play solo.
It can work if you're in a band with multiple singers and need lots of inputs! 👍😊
How many times do you get to use the battery before you have to recharge it?
Hi, Thanks for your informative video, first of all!
I was curious, with the experience you now have, would you say that this is a good set? Any brands in particular (I live in the Netherlands, as for electricity)?
(I have also an AER compact 60 but also different effects.)
- 36 AH battery (deep cycle) - Is that enough to handle a few effects?
- Battery charger 12 V - 2.4amp charger.
- Inverter - pure sine wave inverter (300W, peak power 600W)
Thanks again!
Hey David!
I've been using this setup for over 12 months and it's always worked great.
I've had no problem powering multiple FX pedals alongside the Compact 60.
I'm not sure exactly which brand of Inverter is best. Mine doesn't have an obvious manufacturer.
I'd just check the output on the inverter, and try to match it with the mains electricity in the Netherlands. (Here is 240v 50hz usually)
The battery size at 36AH is more than sufficient, gives some extra room. I never run out of power :)
A similar setup should do you fine!
Hope that helps mate!
All the best!
@@tomsoutheymusic Thank you for sharing all this! Very grateful. Cheers!
Saludos este inversor es de onda pura?
How long will this battery last if fully charged and playing reasonably loud?
How long can it last?？
Can you power a pair of JBL EON 15"? How long would last?
Very helpful Tom. Keep it up ✌️
Hey thank you, how you are going on with your setup.?
I asking because i dont like really this normal Basking amps (like Boss) i want to play over a normal amp and a E-Guitar
Hey Nic, its good! much better sound quality and projection using my own Amp. And also much more flexibility with my equipment, I'd definitely recommend.
hello? How many hours can the aer amp run with battery?
man why dont you just use a omars powerbank 40200 an cut out that bat an Inverter ? i think it will be so much better im looking at buying that set up for my mpc so i can play in town
TOMSOUTHEYMUSIC, Your charger is at what AMPS, some AMPS are at 4amps and others are at 10amps. The charger that outputs only 4 amps I'm guessing would take hours to charge a 12volt battery?
Hey Bill! My charger there is only about 3amps.
As a rough estimate, take the AH rating of your battery. Say its 36AH and you have a 3 amp charger. 36/3 = 12 hours charge time from zero. (theoretically)
Keep in mind, its best to not discharge deep cycle batteries below 50% charge.
AND
It's safer to charge batteries at a lower Amp rating for the health & longevity of the battery.
Trickle chargers (low Amps maybe 1 or 2amp chargers) are very slow as they 'trickle' the charge into the battery. But they can be left on for weeks without damage to the battery, they're often beneficial.
@@tomsoutheymusic , ok thanks so I should get a battery charger that is lower amps like 2amps or 4 amp battery charger for a bettery tickle charge the battery for longer life?
Can we plugged 2 amps like yours on the same battery?
I’ve got a 100w amp, would this battery and inverter work? I’ll also have around 4 pedals going through it.
Yep! Pedals don't use much power, and 100w would be cruisy on this setup!
@@tomsoutheymusic thanks for getting back to me. This is very helpful :) thanks again
How do you charge the car battery?
How do you ground your inverter??
How many months or years do you get out of a battery until it dies?
With proper care, I believe deep cycle batteries can last up to 6 years.
Discharging these batteries below 50% capacity isn't great for their lifespans, so If you want it to last longer try keep it above 50%.