Religion as social control - 60 Second Adventures in Religion (1/4)
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- Опубликовано: 10 окт 2012
- Had Marx got his way, society would be so happy being revolutionaries, there'd be no need for religion. He'd obviously never been to a Gulag.
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This is very questionable interpretation of Marx's theory. He didn't say that you should remove religion, in order to remove repression, but the other way around. He said that if you remove repression, than the people wouldn't need, or use religion as a crutch. Maybe than we would have truly religious people, instead of this fast-food, pay-to-pray religion we have today.
He did say that to call on people to give up their illusions is to call on them to give up a condition which requires illusions. He did say that removing religion or convincing people of the false nature of their religion would force them to see the destitute reality of their condition, and motivate them to improve their condition.
There's a church that does #hamburgers??! I must be going to the wrong one, all I get with the Catholics is #wine and wafers..
Was it Karl Marx that said he would not belong to any religion that would have him as a member?
@@stephenbrookes7268 Groucho.
Wasn't it Karl Marx that said, upon meeting Friedrich Engels for the first time.
"Can you lend me 10 pfennig?"
Marx didn't say that if you take away religion then the working class will suddenly become aware of their oppression and rise up. The rest of the quote is 'Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions.' Marx believed that religion was a necessary expression of an oppressive socio-economic order. Its removal would not lead necessarily to a change in conditions.
For marx, Religion is an illusion! ITS a distraction from the real issue of social inequality..Religion is merely a byproduct of the human mind as a relief from the inequalities and hardships of life ( esp. as a proletart).its a mental escape.Marx claim ,this abstraction gives man a false sense of reality. It must be exposed to enable them free to face the real social conditions and inequalities at hand. Forming a classless society. where one doesnt have to project an illusory GOD or "world outside of themselves' is the ENDGOAL.Based on his concept of historical and dialectical materialism GENUINE .SOCIAL JUSTICE WAS HIS MAIN AGENDA,
...for Marx, religion is an illusion. A mental construct to relieve men of their miseries and hardship as proletariats. Its a false sense of reality..For Marx this religious illusion gives men a false sense of hope becayse they become passive of the social conditions they are in. For Marx, rooting for an afterlife to correct this conditions is pathetic..It must be exposed.Unmasking this abstraction sets them free to resolve their social condition of inequality paving the way to a classless society..
Human psychological thinking and ways of hierarchy do not seem to change much through history.
Cults have so many followers and so many abuses ignored.
indeed
Some people will always believe what they want to, no matter how what you show them. Also the facts you gave are really amazing, I had no idea how vast the neuron configuration is.
well said you do good deeds because they are right not because of reward
People often make closing remarks when 'ending a discussion' so it's not unnatural for someone to respond to such a request. Which is a different thing to telling someone to stop sending you messages immediately.
Nice animations
He didn't go wherever atheists go when he died, he went where everyone goes
+Emilio Couchee and the great emilio speaks the omniscient truth because he hath the truth
The clue in the joke is Highgate Cemetary.
Why isn't the narrator or artist(s) credited in these shorts?
+lohphat The narrator is David Mitchell from Peep Show.
Yes, but then Rene Descartes said that because God is perfect he is therefore good, and therefore he is not being deceived, and then Descartes pretty much didn't care anymore.
Well there are many neurons in your brain that conduct electric charge between one another. The combination of those charges creates thoughts, logic, emotion, personality, and ultimately consciousness. The number of combinations of on/off charge between your neurons is so huge that the number of all humans who have ever lived is less than 0.001% of the number of those combinations.
make more please my British friend
Thank God I'm an atheist!
God is atheist too dummy
Aint Quantum Mechanics when trying to give a right model of universe calculate it's possibilities of it's "thesis and antithesis" and look on it in superposition rather than certain? I mean, it won't give a right answer, but rather give what it could looks like from one point to another? (sorry for my bad english)
Marx was right about the Abrahamitic tradition and he did some pretty interesting analysis on the economic nature of the world. However, he did not provide the solution.
To be fair, the solution is not easy to come up with.
La soluzione è non essere religiosi. L'ateismo di stato è la soluzione.
Does anyone knows what is the song used in this video?
then how the consciousness exists?
pretty pro religion, these bits are. Very Disturbed, I am.
How is it pro religion?
@@videogamebomer It doesn't even mention the quote correctly, because doing so it wouldn't work for their propaganda purposes. Here's the full quote “Religion is the opium of the people. It is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of our soulless conditions.”
This goes into a larger subsection of human behavioral psychology that Marx would never have access to in his lifetime anyways. If we want to know the truth we should be prepared for anything.
Well you cannot deny that religion and scripture were justification for war and genocide in the past. The inquisition for example is derived from the basic truths held in the bible of
1: Only Christ is the true God, and others are false.
2: Spreading the "good word"
Your interpretation of it may be different than others. Nevertheless it was a cause of many wars anyway.
Wars are not caused by religion - religion is just sometimes used as an easy excuse.
Wars are caused by politics, and always have been.
If religion did not exist, they would use a different excuse. Stop pinning it down on faith
@@KnownNiche1999the crusades had nothing to do with religion? dunce
@@KnownNiche1999Old politics were based on religious beliefs wtf are you trying to justify
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Oh my god... how can you be so naive. They were justified by beliefs, not caused by them. Crusades for example, happened because the Catholic Church wanted to expand the amount of subjects they had, growing their power.
Do you seriously believe that powerful kingdoms went to these wars just because of religion? Grow up
@@KnownNiche1999 Of course, they were serving god, not their nation or land. Folks’ ignorance let the church expand and its main consequence was a list of massacres and conflicts which affect even today’s society.
My point is easy, religion has always been a tool to control the weak and ignorant people, even if now we have scientific proof that explains almost every phenomenon of our world and there are still people who act like they skipped middle school idolizing an imaginary omnipotent figure like they’ve felt him on their skin instead of accepting the facts.
Does heaven have wifi? I gotta grind out the MW battlepass you feel? Gotta keep my streaks as well-gonna get laid once I hit 100 days with this dirty. I've put like over $100+ in the offering plate so I should be good right?
Please read from your eyes ' Bhagavan Swaminarayan in Sanatan Scriptures like Veds , Puranas , sahintas , Oopanishads and Bhagavat etc ' jj
However, as far I heard, there is no proof either that quantums are just very little particles that behave like wave, rather than it's something else that behave like wave or something we just can't measure. If assume that quantums are particles that just move\behave like a wave, then it's just possibilities,BUT if it's something else, and if we assume that one particle of wave hit the whole possibility at the same time, we can assume that superposition IS all the possibilities at the same time.
You can get closer and closer to the moral truth thanks to science and philosophy (google consequentialism). It's explained in Sam Harris' book "The Moral Landscape" (check related video on youtube if you can't read). What is the difference between a non-existing being and the unprovable existence of another ? I'm being curious, what decision do you usually make according to your deistic God ? This is insane !
Can anybody point me to anything similar along the same lines please? I'm interested in different points of view like this one and books like SmartYellow and 1984 about social control and manipulation.
/* Your argument about Stalin was invalid too, Stalin was an atheist. */
I know Stalin was an atheist. But history records he read Nietzsche 'Will to Power' which suited both their political agendas.
There is also records of Hitler disparaging Christianity. And he also destroyed a lot of churches.
It is always the former Roman Catholic countries in Europe that go insane. Its the Protestant countries that retained rational and reason.
Then, why I'm not you? Or everyone else brain, except mine, is working? How could you explain WHY *I*, (that means, my consciousness) appears in exactly some moment, at some person, at some place, and why it could end and never appears again after I die, let's say, in some other person?
0:10 did his trousers disappear?
Iohphat ... it's David Mitchel
Is this narrated by David Mitchell?
Probably 11 years too late to be useful but yes it is.
You don't get the question, what you said means that I'm the only one concsiousness being over all those life beings ever has and that I can have large amount of possible diffirent characteristic of consciousness, but it doesn't answer the question. Yet, what I'm saying is that you need to believe the "proof" is as well correct, as you know any proof is nothing more than a variables in stake of possibility,any science is based of induction fallacy that is based on experiment\experience analysis.
That being said, free thinking is definitely to be embraced. It is fanaticism that should be rejected... in all of its forms. Unfortunately, people have a tendency to gravitate around popular ideas and can commit horrible things because "every one else is doing it". To blame this on religion is narrow minded. It is simply an unfortunate reality of human social living. Should religion disappear, another sociopath with a good stage presence will introduce a new "opium".
Blessed are those who do not see but believe. Please, if you are an atheist, respect religions and understand what they stand for other humans. In places on Earth where science cannot reach, all people can have is religion. It is only by living so comfortably in the arms of technology and science that you atheists can so comfortably say with certainty that there is no God. But for some, God is all they have. Respect that at least, before shoving down scientific facts down their throats.
It won't be a faith to not to believe in anything,rather than doubting that it is true, and faith would be come when you believe in some certain factor.There is no such a meaning as a"blind faith",and fact is only fact when you believe in it.As for Rene,I really love his books and respect his views,but I really doubt he ever said what you quoted(even google didn't find it),in fact,he even come up with conclusion that the world we see around us is in fact a matrix,as he was invented this theory.
he was not an atheist but he was into ludwig fueurbach
"it's just mathematical, data based emulation computed on consciousness"
that sounds allot like solipsism
"independent unit of consciousness." ??
1. independent from what ?
2. to me unit means smallest measurable portion of matter/energy or space time
You comment seams say spirits are real because of quantum mechanics.
if that is the case: my answer is NO because quantum mechanicals effects are quasi irrelevant for the macro world. (show me reverse causality in a molecule)
Yeah because no good ever came from discussion
Well now you're just making a rehash of Descartes' "whirlpool of doubt". You see, in saying that it's blind faith to believe in these things, there is also the fact that it's blind faith NOT to believe it. Eventually it gets so confusing thinking about all the contradictions that even Descartes got fed up and said "no sane man would ever seriously doubt these things." And as for the question, our consciousness arises from the neurological connections and patterns, so it in fact does answer it.
I thought the
The thing that we havent tried yet: No religion + capitalism
You are absolutely correct in your statement with the inquisition not being a religious thing. It was a way of the political power of its day to express its authority. The problem lies in the way the political system of its day lays its claim to authority the the Pope of Rome.
Roman Catholicism was and still is a political system. Thankfully we did pull its teeth out, but it will never give up its power.
You cannot quote the Bible if you are a Christian to justify murder because it doesn't.
why i cant translate the video from you tube !! is the site do this ?
Just a one sentence comment passing through.
1:00 that would be a sick way to smoke weed ngl
what if they're wrong....
Then Hitler, Mao and Stalin all got away with it because we all face the same fate.
As for last part, even "neuroscience" didn't prove what is consciousness, all they say it MIGHT be a work of all neurones all together. There is no proof or explaination of what consciousness is, and we probably will never find answer why we happened to have consciousness in a certain position or a "person", and why not someone else, atleast neuroscience won't answer that ever.
Marx to Dawkins? Misses a dimension or two, nyet?
no, not really....but hey you can believe what ever you want.
Occam's razor and encephelographic tests.
That is all.
you cannot prove what cannot be proven or disproven
/* Yes, I remember the positive contributions of The Crusades and The Inquisition. */
That was politics again. The Crusades was about land (which the Islamic hordes took from Roman territory. And the Inquisition where the secular powers of Spain which began as way of stopping the spread of Islam but once that was done with they turned on their own people and began persecuting the Christians.
Seeing a theme here? Christians have been the number 1 persecuted group through history.
Your brain.
Can I have a pint of what steffenz110 is drinking.
Urk. Omg I went crazy trying to present this idea in my Theology class and could have shown this video to avoid all that stupid stuttering I did.
Well, it gets his theory wrong. So that kind of of takes away from the comedy of it.
Repeating it over and over again facing Mecca or the Vatican won't make you right. I believe in many things but not in gods. What dogma did you embrace when you stopped believing in Zeus or Poseidon ? Go ahead Einstein, I'm being curious.
Not to mention, religion is often a motivation for social change. Just look at the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
Martin Luther king was a socialist. He agreed with Marx. And the main point of his political struggle for sure wasn't religion. And Marx's quote was actually different from the one in the video, it was “Religion is the opium of the people. It is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of our soulless conditions.” But if they used all of the quote it wouldn't have fitten their propaganda purposes.
what is a lie to person could be a truth to a nether one? remember the bible is the oldest printed book they did not update it and may be change it meaning.
Quite ironically the only thing _that I believe personally atleast_ that Marx was ever truly right about. For example, the Catholic Church during medieval Europe and the time between it from before 1865. It had so much authority over followers, that it took centuries to loosen down its own grip, after it became overshadowed by the modern equivalent of the countries that it once ruled with a holy fist. By then, the hands of the religious zealots, became every day people. Leading to today.
A short animation made from those who didn't read marx
Only once people in their real, material lives were equal would religion no longer be necessary. That is, change conditions and religion goes, NOT, remove religion and conditions will change. A pretty basic misreading of the quote.
now i know where you went wrong, quantum physics is not an accurate description of reality, it's a mathematical model that does very good predictions, i.e.: it's not telling what is actually happening, but giving you a statistical probability what the end result is going to be. "Quantum mechanics contradicts relativity" no it doesn't because neither of those are complete models of reality. Unknowns are not contradictions.
Atheist and everyone else goes to the same place you were before you were born, IE no wehere
Why would I fight against a myth ? I fight against the consequences of irrational behaviours, like yours, in the name of reason. I'm not sure Dionysis or Thor are likely to go anywhere. By the way, can you prove me a god ever existed ? And Nietzsche was an atheist.
All the Anti-Theists always spout out the nonsense of Religion as a social control without knowing the source of where that idea came from.
It forgets to mention the positive contribution Religions gave to the world which we enjoy today such as social freedoms. Educational system, democracy, language.
This subject is no a simple one phrase comment.
What did we learn today? Oppression goes easier with religion and drugs.
The Bible, one of the most famous horror books ever written by mankind.
1. I have actually taken the time to research how we know what we know about neuroscience, it isn't just someone improvising an explanation, it's been proven over time.
2. Yes it does answer your question! You consciousness is not the same as others because there are over 10 septillion possible neurological configurations of thoughts, compared with the tiny 100 billion humans who have ever lived. The probability of two cases appearing twice is so low it's not even worth thinking about.
Red pill
This video is the maximum amount of bluepills and copium you can take
"Computers and Humans exist different" huh?
Computers are made from molecules just like humans, how is that different?
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science can't explain everything ? -> how do you know ? Science isn't finished yet
but lets say it can't, why does that justify believing in stuff that you can't prove. You would have no way of knowing whether or not you believe a lie.
I respect people, not their believes. Not changeling people on their unreasonable believes is the same thing as lying.
bro
But you have to consider that Stalin, Mao, Lenin etc. did not act in the way Marx wanted. They didn't even read his writings.
Imperialist lies. If you unironically believe this search a cure. Only Mao was an actual incompetent whose great lead forward was a bs. But Stalin and Lenin, Lenin especially, were two of the most educated Marxist (how did you think that Lenin wrote state and revolution inventing Marxism Leninism itself, which nowadays is the main communism current since it is fundmental for the revolution?).
@@furlan1743 yeah I know better since then. Although I wouldn't say that Marxism-Leninism is the main current of communist thought nowadays. It seems that Stalin showed that just reading Marx isn't enough.
Well yeah, science nowdays gone too wrong as they use it like it will answers all questions and BEVELIE in it as it's all true, which makes it be pretty much religion. Yet, they forget the main terminology of words. "Spirit" could be anything, it could be my thought, it could be metaphysical or subjective meaning of WHAT consciousness is, it could be representation of what we think the soul is, for some people it's more easier to imagine it as an objective flying form of energy\"ectoplasm"\soul.
Still doesn't answer my question at all, and to be honest believe in neuroscience is same as believe in religion, you have to get faith to believe it is working, as you yourself probably never get your own hand to understand what your brain is made of. Yet, it still can't explain why my consciousness is not you, neither anyone else.
/* You're inflated with your outrage */
No, just struck how shallow some peoples thinking is.
/* our religion is used by the power elite to extract your energy. */
You are quoting Nietzsche who is the one who developed that idea. Which is who Hitler and Stalin copied their philosophies from. Hitler was an atheist. He had no idea of the concept of answering for your sins. Hitler was deluded into thinking he could replace God. He is now in Hell. Being eternally punished for his many sins.
i have seen a dead decomposed body : there was nothing left that could hold a consciousness
have you seen a soul ? or an afterlife ? Nobooy has (well nobody can prove it) so it would be silly to assume anything but the ultimate end (go look at & smell a dead body & you'll understand what i'm talking about) , wishful thinking as basis for your perception of reality is just stupid.
funny how atheist end up praying on the death bed lol
It's not reasonable to think that something is possible just because science can't disprove it. Have you proof that unicorns, pixies & Santa Clause don't exist ? No, So do you believe those to be real? No(i hope). You need proof of existence for it to be reasonable to believe. Disproving all nonexistent things is impossible, since there are an infinite number of imaginable nonexistent things. Life is complex so we got to have spirits ? My computer is complex too, does it have a spirit too?
kindergarten
Well at least I'm trying hehehe.......
/* The inquisition for example is derived from the basic truths held in the bible of
1: Only Christ is the true God, and others are false.
2: Spreading the "good word" */
When did the Inquisition ever spread the Gospel??? lol
The primary target of the Inquisition were Christians. They contradict the teachings of Jesus on all level that you cannot refer to them in any real sense as obeying Christ
Gulags were during stalin era. Stalin was hardly a Marxist and was never meant to be in power. Learn more about the history. And saying that because so called marxist oppress thus religion was never a form of social control is an invalid argument. Why did Karl Marx say religion is an agent of social control? You didn't answer that question at all and that's crucial now I'm going to debunk your other videos
Psasa He never said Stalin was a Marxist, you're looking for an argument where there isn't an argument to be had. The video is about religion as social control, not the finer points of the history of the Soviet leadership and their policies. Whether Stalin was suppose to be in power or not has nothing to do with religion as a social control.
I thought the commies sort of replaced religion with The State, tending to venerate the first dictator like a messiah
/* Your information is undoubtedly skewed by priests who need your money. */
We have not Priests.
There is no Priesthood in the New Testament.
And I am not a Roman Catholic which isn't a Biblical Christian religion.
This is a equally stupid claim, as the religious claim, that when you die, you go to heaven.
Until we truly know, we must stop claiming both one and the other.
/* by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord */
The same Jews who Jesus was? Who the NT writers where? The Bible is very clear that anyone who fights against the Jews, God Himself will fight against them and destroy them.
And how did that work out for Hitler again?????
I guess he was lying when he said he was acting on Gods behalf.
"Will" is a Nietzsche idea which Hitler borrowed from his "Will to Power" book.
God sees! God sees everything... And gives space: time and patience... The corrupt human being is the very same, wether it is within the Church (which expels him when not complying with the dogma), in the senate, the military or the industry: administration systems are necessary. Christianity is undeniably the best around, where Jesus died for everyone's sins and expectations
JCNow JC that's what you say... And I'd rather stay little (than grow such stomping beasts as you "atheists" are...)
Pre-modern. Archaic. Superstitious. A fading system of belief. Cling to it while you can. :)
Dustin Illingworth God is the Way (as is the Truth, as is the Life). The superficial notion of faith taken as a sustainable object in the coined phrase "system of beliefs" is the same thing faith-belief (subject to contingency) that people have in a football club. And sports are bound to fade before the Power of the Word contained in the little iron-age book dissipates: proof of the aforementioned is that the, oh, so evident pro anarchic-communist interest aimed at taking away all credibility from the State, hasn't been able to remove christianity from our peoples' politic taste (even though they pervade family bonding through a colossal media apparatus not giving a care about human suffering, where, to the contrary they generate irritation resolving itself in damaging the social fabric)
I don't think we're going to agree on the implications (or lack thereof) of god/gods, so we may as well end the conversation in peace. Good luck to you.
I hope you grew out of this. Otherwise I would say you are just too gullible.
deathtokoalas If you want to have nice things and have a nice life then, save your money, sacrifice like I did for ten years sleep only 4 hours a day force your self to wake up to work on your company and then go to a regular job for 8 hours do that for ten years, then me and my communists will assume the production from you , how would you feel about that if I did that?
If you just started to get your reward for earning a decent life?
Hasn't been proven by SCIENCE.
Moorish Spain
how do i know what happens after death: very simple after you die you become a dead body (that is known to human kind for ages). Your claim that there actually is an "after death" for the diseased has never been proven
the fact that no-one ever returned from death to tell us of an "after death", strengthens my case, not yours
the only absolutely provable knowledge is math (well unless you wan to dive into philosophical BS about epistemology of reality & solipsism) Anyway your argument feels like a bait & switch. Yes Science hasn't & never will find absolute truth, but Christianity or any other religion has been proven wrong on so many little specifics like (the flood that never happened, or evolution, etc) that reasons demands to view any assertion made by religion untrue unless proven otherwise.
stop flaming and just watch the video
Dios ve! Dios ve todo... Y da espacio: tiempo y paciencia... El ser humano corrupto es el mismo, sea en la Iglesia (la cual lo expulsa por no seguir el dogma) sea en el senado, la milicia o la industria: los sistemas de administración política son necesarios. El Cristianismo es innegablemente lo mejor, donde Cristo murió por todos y para todos
Too cutesy and jokey for what is actually a rather serious issue.
/* Horus was born 3 days after the Solstice */
Whether Horus was born was born during, near or half a year after the winter solstice has no baring on when Jesus was born. Jesus wasn't born on the shortest day. LOL!!!!
Jesus was born in the Spring!!!!
Am I dealing with an "idiot"?
Nor was Horus born to a virgin. (Which, by the way is from the OLD TESTAMENT).
Horus was born from after a Long Marriage after Isis took the "SEED" of her dead husband and injected into her after having "sex".
Marx's being wrong about something, colored me surprised 🤡 lol
You don't believe because you have never looked at the evidence and your faith is based on ignorance on what the evidence says.
You haver never read the New Testament, read any historical books on the ancient world or even western thought.
Your response is null and void. Its lacks any credibility.
STOP ARGUING ATHEISTS AND MONOTHEISTS! This is pathetic! The purpose of this video is to see how people look a religion across history, not to tell you what to believe or to instigate an ever-constant argument.
This is rubbish.