aaaah yes ....we know that mine well ..... love the Bristols...... we could tell you a few stories about that mine....yes there is a nice surprise down that winze and its in perfect shape....we even greased the axles up on it so it roles very easy ...... Copper and Silver replacement deposits with ( Cerussite ) Lead Carbonate .. the lower haulage adit is about 1/4 mile long but we figured you have already seen that .... can't wait to see the other 2 vids
We visited this several years ago and it was only more recently that I learned of your familiarity with this mine. Thank you for the details on the geology. I'd love to hear those stories sometime!
Really interesting looking up American Hoist and Derrick, they technically still exist in one form or another since they were bought by Terex in the 1990s. They were a pioneer in steam powered equipment such as cranes and hoists. Around the 1900-1920 point you can see some catalogue sketches of steam donkeys with big boilers (which are huge and unsuitable for underground mining). However some other sketches show similar/possibly smaller versions minus the boilers, and sporting a set of pipes which I imagine carried steam. Has me wondering if that horse whim isn't a piece of a very early steam powered winch, or maybe they just got so sick of the new fangled equipment breaking down they said screw it and brought the horse back in lol. Either way I'm excited to see the rest of this mine!
That's very interesting. Thank you for looking all of that up... And, yes, I agree with your speculation about the miners returning to the simple, yet effective, horse whim.
“Gly”: Nice find! I’ve only ever found one whim while exploring these places and it was down in Arizona when I was collaborating with Canadian Frank. That’s a pretty rare find. 👍
In my grand fathers mine in Arizona he kept several small donkey under ground. He sold his share of the mine in 1925 or so. This was near the community of Meyer. They were very poor young family with three boys at the time. He then moved on to a mining operation in Kansas and then moved on to Minnesota iron mines after my father and his brother were attacked by the KKK when they were ten years old near the house they were living in. Apparently they could not speak English yet and the KKK drunks didn’t like that. In Minnesota they found family and other Italians working there. A hard life
Hello from Norway! Really appreciate how mindful you are about the experience of us outsiders watching the videos later. Your narration and camera work is just excellent! Feels like being there, and I never get frustrated feeling like we missed something. So grateful for all your uploads!!! :)
Looks like several veins of azurite (blueish colored rock) running all through the parts of this mine in Part 1. Very indicative of copper mines. Very cool hoist machinery! Thanks for your efforts to bring this to us!
Don't remember any horse driven things from your previous videos. There is a gigantic salt mine near Krakow in Poland. It has been horse driven for very very long time. Horses was living down there and never so the daylight. It's still active today, and you can get a 2 hour trip. It's a tourist attraction and only 3% of the mine is open for normal people. But it houses underground Hotel, recreational site, restaurant, and yeah a 2 hour walk where you will be inside a church curved out in Salt and other beautiful rooms. From wiki: The Wieliczka Salt Mine reaches a depth of 327 meters, and extends via horizontal passages and chambers for over 287 kilometers (178 miles).
Such a cool video!!! This is the first one of your videos I have seen. I'm a rockhound and have come acrossed a few mines. My great grandfather was a miner in the Fallon area! Its awesome to see someone keeping the mining history alive! I look forward to seeing your past and future videos!
Somebody's ambition exceeded their ability. If you noticed the flywheel for the hoist didn't have joins, it came in as one piece and that's the way someone thought they were going to take it back out. I'm not good at assessing weight but it's probably a safe guess to say the flywheel probably weighed over 350 pounds. When it was brought in the floor of the drifts were rubble-free and the miners had the advantage of flat bed rail cars. What a shame it wasn't just left alone.
Hi Justin, a really nice hike with some beautiful scenery along the way, the mine is a bit this way and that, it would make a great maze. Thank you for sharing, much love. xx 💖
As always, thank you for coming along... Yes, I have a particular fondness for smallish, feature-filled mines like this. And the scenery is something special as well! Looks a little different from Cornwall though, no?
@@TVRExploring Very much so lol, Cornwall is all green although it does have quite a few hills but breath taking scenery especially along the coast. There is a fantastic channel that shows off Cornwall's scenery called Tripping Cornwall. xx
I am particularly fond of smaller, feature-rich mines as this one was... Yes, all of the levels connect in one way or another with this mine. The hoist and, particularly, the horse whim were indeed very cool.
So some of the veins in the middle part of the video looked like turquoise veins... they looked chunky. And I loved the horse whim! Very cool. I wonder how they got a horse to that spot, and kept him/her from spooking.
Love the video when it came to the bridge that's a longgggggggg ways down .Great find on the winches seen some in museums .Like they say you never know what's around the corner until you round it 👍🤔⛏️ take CARE .CJD from wash state .
Thank you for that Video That is a very interesting mine the horse hoist and the modern one Great stuff Looking forward to Part 2 and 3 Take care Yours Frank Galetzka
I have never seen a whim underground. However it would likely be a Mule whim, When a horse feels a tickle on his ears he rears up. A Mule ducks down (Improved outcome). Some of those Mules lived so long underground they became blind.
getting the Fairbanks engine down there must have been a mission, but getting it back out would have been almost impossible. Little wonder someone gave up . I've seen Horse whims for grinding wheat too. was there enough room for a pony to walk around ?
Yes, I'm glad I wasn't on the crew that had to bring that equipment in there! Yes, there was room for the horses in there. They can operate in fairly tight quarters.
I am not sure if a horse was used there or not, but a few guys could use the whim as a windlass to hoist etc. Maybe a donkey, the space is rather small in diameter for the animal to work that way.
I am seeing Alot of comments about a pony or other equine being used in this mine, understand that the Logistics of keeping equine in a mine are Only feasible in a Massive operation like city size operations of Thurber, TEXAS, that can provide underground stables, stable hands, handlers and trainers plus the fact that NOBODY is going to want to move the Dead stinking animal corpse out of the Depths of a mine. It is much easier to have People operate said equipment when needed. P.s. I think that it is sad that the Methbillies has found and started to gut this mine even before the surveyors could tag it with their Fluorescent spray paint.
@@JustAnotherPaddy I'm afraid I have tapped out many of the accessible underground placer mines that I am aware of... I am working on getting access to a couple of others though. Waders don't patch well. So, it is a matter of buying new waders several times a year.
Once a horse or mule was lowered down into the depths of these mines, they were unlikely to ascend alive. No more thought was given to them than to keep em alive for their labor and work em to death and get replacements. Until they got mechanical (more efficient steam power) substitutes for non human effort. Rocket engines are still measured in “ horse power”.
I believe that you will find that it was people powered do to the logistics of keeping a animal alive in the depths and the fact that nobody is going to want to drag the dead stinking corpse All the way back out of the mine!
@@worldtraveler930 they did it all over the world for centuries until steam and pneumatic and electrical power replaced them. It wasn’t just common, horses and mules working underground were ubiquitous. Read some mining history.
@@kahnfu-zhin8627 I grew up hearing stories about the mules having gone insane from never having seen sunlight for several generations After being released when the mine converted into to electrical trams, those were the very same mules that were used to work in the coal mines in the nearby city of Thurber here in Texas if you get a chance visit the museum that is there in the now Ghost town of Thurber!
1:49 That bridge / false floor was comical! To look at, I'm sure it wasn't comical to cross :> 24:50 Here's the history of American Hoist & Derrick; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Crane_Corporation
Yes, that "bridge" was comical. That's a good description for it... It did indeed seem a bit sporty to cross it. Thank you for looking up the information on American Hoist & Derrick.
Usually ponies that did the work - shorter than horses- and yeah, I imagine it wasn't a very nice life for them. But in the era they were using ponies in mines, they were just regarded as disposable workers - engines to accomplish some kind of work.
@@TVRExploring I grew up hearing stories of the mules who had lived several generations below ground that were used to work the coal mines in the city of Thurber as these mines were electrified and converted into using electric trams and then as they were being totally shut down due to the rail roads converting to oil these mules were brought out and turn loose where they literally ran crazy into everything tripping over themselves and causing problems because they had never in generations had seen the sunlight.
aaaah yes ....we know that mine well ..... love the Bristols...... we could tell you a few stories about that mine....yes there is a nice surprise down that winze and its in perfect shape....we even greased the axles up on it so it roles very easy ...... Copper and Silver replacement deposits with ( Cerussite ) Lead Carbonate .. the lower haulage adit is about 1/4 mile long but we figured you have already seen that .... can't wait to see the other 2 vids
Thought I seen this before, lol
Spoil alert.
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We visited this several years ago and it was only more recently that I learned of your familiarity with this mine. Thank you for the details on the geology. I'd love to hear those stories sometime!
Wooden door latches used to be very common on old barns about 100 yrs ago. Cheep and easy to re-align as barn settled.
Really interesting looking up American Hoist and Derrick, they technically still exist in one form or another since they were bought by Terex in the 1990s. They were a pioneer in steam powered equipment such as cranes and hoists. Around the 1900-1920 point you can see some catalogue sketches of steam donkeys with big boilers (which are huge and unsuitable for underground mining). However some other sketches show similar/possibly smaller versions minus the boilers, and sporting a set of pipes which I imagine carried steam. Has me wondering if that horse whim isn't a piece of a very early steam powered winch, or maybe they just got so sick of the new fangled equipment breaking down they said screw it and brought the horse back in lol. Either way I'm excited to see the rest of this mine!
That's very interesting. Thank you for looking all of that up... And, yes, I agree with your speculation about the miners returning to the simple, yet effective, horse whim.
“Gly”: Nice find! I’ve only ever found one whim while exploring these places and it was down in Arizona when I was collaborating with Canadian Frank. That’s a pretty rare find. 👍
Yes, this is the only one I have seen as well... They are indeed rare!
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I cannot overstate how helpful a muck sheet is. It takes a job from hellish to merely strenuous.
Yes, I'm seeing that firsthand!
In my grand fathers mine in Arizona he kept several small donkey under ground. He sold his share of the mine in 1925 or so. This was near the community of Meyer. They were very poor young family with three boys at the time. He then moved on to a mining operation in Kansas and then moved on to Minnesota iron mines after my father and his brother were attacked by the KKK when they were ten years old near the house they were living in. Apparently they could not speak English yet and the KKK drunks didn’t like that.
In Minnesota they found family and other Italians working there. A hard life
That's an interesting history. Thank you for sharing it here so that others can hear it as well... The miners from that era were tough!
Very cool explore Justin! Nice find.
Is this Northern Nevada?
Can't wait for rest of series on it
Hello from Norway! Really appreciate how mindful you are about the experience of us outsiders watching the videos later. Your narration and camera work is just excellent! Feels like being there, and I never get frustrated feeling like we missed something. So grateful for all your uploads!!! :)
Thank you very much for the support and the kind words.
Looks like several veins of azurite (blueish colored rock) running all through the parts of this mine in Part 1. Very indicative of copper mines. Very cool hoist machinery! Thanks for your efforts to bring this to us!
I love being up in the pinion pines!
It's a great place to be.
Great video... and can’t wait for the next one.. fascinating. Lots of history and tales 🙌👏🏻👏🏻
Don't remember any horse driven things from your previous videos.
There is a gigantic salt mine near Krakow in Poland. It has been horse driven for very very long time. Horses was living down there and never so the daylight.
It's still active today, and you can get a 2 hour trip. It's a tourist attraction and only 3% of the mine is open for normal people. But it houses underground Hotel, recreational site, restaurant, and yeah a 2 hour walk where you will be inside a church curved out in Salt and other beautiful rooms.
From wiki: The Wieliczka Salt Mine reaches a depth of 327 meters, and extends via horizontal passages and chambers for over 287 kilometers (178 miles).
Just read/got lost in a hole about the Wieliczka Salt Mine. Amazing history for hundreds of years. Thanks for the knowledge.
Thanks for the information!! I'll have to look into visiting their next time I am in that part of Europe!!
Yes, I visited the Wieliczka Salt Mine several years ago and it is definitely an interesting place to visit.
Part one really good can't wait for two and three that is one cool mine
Glad you like this one... I have a particular fondness for smaller, feature-rich abandoned mines like this one.
This is a cool mine. Nice winch. Lots of holes going everywhere! Tram system. Can't wait to see more!
My favorite type of mine...
Man Ive been busy and missing out. Finally got to get back to your channel..Nice one!!!
Cool! Remember the Maps at the Entrances of Malls, that says You Are Here and shows where everything is?
This mine could use one of those Maps!
A very interesting explore with nice items found, and a tricky ladder at the end.
Such a cool video!!! This is the first one of your videos I have seen. I'm a rockhound and have come acrossed a few mines. My great grandfather was a miner in the Fallon area! Its awesome to see someone keeping the mining history alive! I look forward to seeing your past and future videos!
Somebody's ambition exceeded their ability. If you noticed the flywheel for the hoist didn't have joins, it came in as one piece and that's the way someone thought they were going to take it back out. I'm not good at assessing weight but it's probably a safe guess to say the flywheel probably weighed over 350 pounds. When it was brought in the floor of the drifts were rubble-free and the miners had the advantage of flat bed rail cars. What a shame it wasn't just left alone.
There is no way they would get that out of the mine in its current state. And, yes, it is a shame that it wasn't just left alone...
If one could find all the pieces it would be tempting to put in back together and watch it run.
Hi Justin, a really nice hike with some beautiful scenery along the way, the mine is a bit this way and that, it would make a great maze. Thank you for sharing, much love. xx 💖
As always, thank you for coming along... Yes, I have a particular fondness for smallish, feature-filled mines like this. And the scenery is something special as well! Looks a little different from Cornwall though, no?
@@TVRExploring Very much so lol, Cornwall is all green although it does have quite a few hills but breath taking scenery especially along the coast. There is a fantastic channel that shows off Cornwall's scenery called Tripping Cornwall. xx
Nice mine that, love to get into something like that with winzes, I guess they connect to the lower levels in the next ep? Nice old hoist you found!
I am particularly fond of smaller, feature-rich mines as this one was... Yes, all of the levels connect in one way or another with this mine. The hoist and, particularly, the horse whim were indeed very cool.
Great video, thank you for sharing 😀
Awesome start!
Hope your cold doesn't last.
Thank you!
So some of the veins in the middle part of the video looked like turquoise veins... they looked chunky. And I loved the horse whim! Very cool. I wonder how they got a horse to that spot, and kept him/her from spooking.
Love the video when it came to the bridge that's a longgggggggg ways down .Great find on the winches seen some in museums .Like they say you never know what's around the corner until you round it 👍🤔⛏️ take CARE .CJD from wash state .
Yes, that's one I wouldn't want to take a tumble down, to be sure... The horse whim was great to see. It is the first one I've seen underground.
Thanks again for the excellent explore, thanks for letting me scramble along with you guys!!!!
Thank you for coming along with us!
2:50 nice fault and slickenslide to the right.
And "Runs up into BatStope."
fabulous content TVR Exploring. I shattered that thumbs up on your video. Continue to keep up the good work.
Thank you very much.
Thank you. Love you mine videos.
Thanks for watching!
I'd love to own old pieces of the old mine, neat stuff. It's like things people in their back yard,
Thank you for that Video
That is a very interesting mine the horse hoist and the modern one
Great stuff
Looking forward to Part 2 and 3
Take care
Yours Frank Galetzka
Thank you, Frank. Yes, the horse whims are quite rare.
At 3:40 All I could picture was a DeLorean flying off that Track! 🤣🤣
GOOD GRIEF!!!!! That walkway!!!!!!
I love your videos and uh keep up the good work 😆 stay safe down there man 👍
Great find and great video. Can't wait for parts 2 and 3 🙂
I have never seen a whim underground. However it would likely be a Mule whim, When a horse feels a tickle on his ears he rears up. A Mule ducks down (Improved outcome). Some of those Mules lived so long underground they became blind.
Man I want to find places like this where I live looks like so much fun
4:54 My grandparents' barn and outbuildings all had homemade latches like that. They were probably from the 1890s.
Cool mine, lots of green/blue copper ore all around it seems
A freakin’ HORSE whim! Think of the poor beasts that labored their lives away underground!!!!
I think that it is More Likely that it would have been People powered!!
No, that was powered by horses. Horse whims were a fairly common feature in older mines.
getting the Fairbanks engine down there must have been a mission, but getting it back out would have been almost impossible. Little wonder someone gave up . I've seen Horse whims for grinding wheat too. was there enough room for a pony to walk around ?
Or people!!
Yes, I'm glad I wasn't on the crew that had to bring that equipment in there! Yes, there was room for the horses in there. They can operate in fairly tight quarters.
Another awesome video....
I am not sure if a horse was used there or not, but a few guys could use the whim as a windlass to hoist etc. Maybe a donkey, the space is rather small in diameter for the animal to work that way.
My thoughts exactly!!
It was a horse whim... You only see that equipment on a horse whim. Also, the presence of the horse whim is documented well at this mine.
Great video. After watching many mine exploration videos, I'd like to know how the miners created the flat floors within the mines?
My old stomping grounds. Was fun growing up in that area.
That would have been a great place to grow up!
애리조나주,어디 사십니까?갱도찿아 네바다주 지역까지 멀리 가셨군요.한국에도 폐광산 갱도만
해도 8500곳정도가 폐광되어 있다고 하네요.
I am seeing Alot of comments about a pony or other equine being used in this mine, understand that the Logistics of keeping equine in a mine are Only feasible in a Massive operation like city size operations of Thurber, TEXAS, that can provide underground stables, stable hands, handlers and trainers plus the fact that NOBODY is going to want to move the Dead stinking animal corpse out of the Depths of a mine. It is much easier to have People operate said equipment when needed.
P.s. I think that it is sad that the Methbillies has found and started to gut this mine even before the surveyors could tag it with their Fluorescent spray paint.
Well to answer your question it is " American Hoist & Derrick" and they are still in business !
just keep in mind, there are old mine explorers, there bold mine explorers, but no old bold ones!
Is that green copper veins in that mine?
Fantastic!
I’m a sucker for the rail. When it’s not there, it’s just not the same.
You're a man after my own heart. I need the rail as well...
@@TVRExploring I also need a placer mine fix. Patch up the holes in your waders yet?
@@JustAnotherPaddy I'm afraid I have tapped out many of the accessible underground placer mines that I am aware of... I am working on getting access to a couple of others though. Waders don't patch well. So, it is a matter of buying new waders several times a year.
WAY awesome!
My dad had door latches like that on his cabin up above Downieville.
Downieville is epic!
Bats so cool
looks like quite a few stingers of copper some iron and Gold or silver?
I keep noticing the quality of the milled wood...few knots and tight grain. very expensive these days.
SHssssssssss!!! You'll have the Methbillies down in the mines stealing the wood Now!!!
Yes, the quality of the wood is tremendous.
super job...
Nice 👍
4:50 Why would they latch the door from the outside?
Interesting, but I'm not going crawling around in a mine that is (slowly) collapsing. That's how you make the news that you don't get to read.
Cool old machine with one horse power 🔋
Or people powered.
Sometimes they could be several horsepower...
Wishful thinking is they pulled the motor to go do work in another mine! Not likely but let me have that fantasy.
How are the landers still intact?
Once a horse or mule was lowered down into the depths of these mines, they were unlikely to ascend alive. No more thought was given to them than to keep em alive for their labor and work em to death and get replacements. Until they got mechanical (more efficient steam power) substitutes for non human effort. Rocket engines are still measured in “ horse power”.
I believe that you will find that it was people powered do to the logistics of keeping a animal alive in the depths and the fact that nobody is going to want to drag the dead stinking corpse All the way back out of the mine!
@@worldtraveler930 they did it all over the world for centuries until steam and pneumatic and electrical power replaced them. It wasn’t just common, horses and mules working underground were ubiquitous. Read some mining history.
It would have been a grim life for the horses or mules working there...
@@kahnfu-zhin8627 I grew up hearing stories about the mules having gone insane from never having seen sunlight for several generations After being released when the mine converted into to electrical trams, those were the very same mules that were used to work in the coal mines in the nearby city of Thurber here in Texas if you get a chance visit the museum that is there in the now Ghost town of Thurber!
perhaps they were just after the brass bearings on the winch.
This mine seems easy to get lost in. Also does anyone know what that blue rock is?
Copper ore. prob. azurite and the green malachite etc.
Another great vlog - love this stuff. Just curious any mines near SLC Utah. I'd just like to find one. Wouldn't go in. . . just look into the adit.
My coop door has a sliding latch like that. It's from 1843.
*its a crib door originally.
1843? That's impressive!
1:49 That bridge / false floor was comical! To look at, I'm sure it wasn't comical to cross :>
24:50 Here's the history of American Hoist & Derrick;
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Crane_Corporation
Yes, that "bridge" was comical. That's a good description for it... It did indeed seem a bit sporty to cross it. Thank you for looking up the information on American Hoist & Derrick.
Usually ponies that did the work - shorter than horses- and yeah, I imagine it wasn't a very nice life for them. But in the era they were using ponies in mines, they were just regarded as disposable workers - engines to accomplish some kind of work.
Or people.
Yes, it would've been a pretty grim life for them...
@@TVRExploring I grew up hearing stories of the mules who had lived several generations below ground that were used to work the coal mines in the city of Thurber as these mines were electrified and converted into using electric trams and then as they were being totally shut down due to the rail roads converting to oil these mules were brought out and turn loose where they literally ran crazy into everything tripping over themselves and causing problems because they had never in generations had seen the sunlight.
horse or mule?
Most likely people powered.
It's called a horse whim, but it can be powered by mules as well. Not powered by people...
Cool vid but thought I seen on other explorers. Yours is better.
I'm guessing a horse could just walk in there easily? Some poor bastard would have had to muck the shit out lol
Fairly easily, yes... Haha, and, yes, someone would have to muck the shit out.
powered by horse is rare
Most likely people powered.
Yes, the horse whims are indeed rare.
@World Traveler No, this is a horse him. Not powered by people.
11-11:20 anyone else see the color of that vein
looks very wet
How to find mines ?
First
15:07 does anyone know what kind of rock or mineral that blue mass is?
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@@jeremyp7293 oh nice. Thank you