Late Kick Live Ep 538: Michigan NCAA Smoke | Fall Camp Intel | Record Prediction: Clemson & Texas
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Late Kick Live Ep 538 features Josh Pate reacting to the latest NCAA smoke coming from the Michigan investigation. We’re also looking at fall camp whispers and intel from across the country as we get closer to the start of the season. What’s the latest out of Alabama? Is LSU’s WR on the way to shining again? Penn State continues to deal with off-field issues. We also check on Miami’s offensive stars emerging. The Pate State Prediction series continues with a full breakdown and record projection for Dabo Swinney’s Clemson Tigers and Steve Sarkisian’s Texas Longhorns. The biggest what-ifs in College Football this season include Ole Miss winning the SEC and the Big Ten NOT being top-heavy. Bold predictions are back with the wildest things you believe about this season. Can Alabama ride a Jalen Milroe Heisman season to a national title? Will Rutgers make the CFP? Will FSU lose the ACC title in an unexpected way? What if every conference title participant makes the CFP? Be sure to let us know what you think, SUBSCRIBE to the channel, and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Fix the audio please.
the audio is horrendous
Agreed. They need to learn how to manage the levels. Use compressor/limiter. @@N8TheGreatG
I thought there was something going wrong with my earbuds with the audio
I’ve had no issues with the audio lmao. Just don’t use shitty earphones.
Volume is very low
Sorry Josh, but your wrong as far as Michigan wins are concerned. Their is legitimate plays that you see stallions telling the defensive coach the play, then Michigan setting up perfect defenses to stop it for loss where 3 or 4 defensive players are open and moving appropriately to stop it. That's just the defense alone. If those plays change 8 first downs or maybe 2 touchdowns a game, that's a huge difference in some cases
"They play some guy named Howard"
As an HBCU alum I had no business laughing as hard as I did.
All I’m saying is I’ve never seen Johnny Sins and Josh Pate in the same room ……
Giving this comment 5☠out of 5.
🌈 🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈
Immunity
Dead 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This comment is a 9.5 on the boldness scale😂
I’ve got Texas going 9-3. I think Michigan and Georgia are a matchup nightmare for Texas so that’s a loss. A&M is at A&M which is going to be a ton of energy and emotion poured out, it’s just a tough environment ask bama or lsu. Ou is a rivalry so it’s a toss up for me. I think they only win 1 of those games
Hope the dawgs win. I'd trade 2 losses just to embarrass Texas at home
They gotta win that UGA game at home!!!! They've got way more talent than OU but its a rivalry game... That offense should be humming by time UGA gets to Austin
@@Grimm-UGAOle Miss volunteers to be one of your losses. 😂
Knowing your future opponent's playcalls before the ball is snapped, on both sides of the ball, must not be an advantage. Everyone must hire paid contractors to fly across the country to record their future opponent's sidelines.
Best segment of Pate’s career.
When did the CFB media become so apologetic on behalf of football coaches and programs. We are seeing it with both Georgia and Michigan.
Love you Pate (you’re the goat), but I don’t care if stallions had nothing to do with Michigan beating osu in the last minute or bama in come back fashion. Pretty sure Michigan’s record when stallions came on staff went from mid to like crazy good. That totally changed the trajectory of the program and helped give Michigan tons of momentum getting top Olineman in the portal etc. Their roster this past year was a direct result of wins that stallions helped Michigan get the previous 2 years. It’s a big advantage when you occasionally know what the opposition is doing. Also, I just think having a coach on another teams sideline is just so far over the line it’s crazy. Jmo
The championship was built on a foundation of cheating.
This guy says the cheating gave them no advantage and had no impact on games. Then according to him Michigan’s coaching staff is straight up stupid for braking rules for no advantage. Dude just stop being delusional. Ppl don’t cheat for no advantage
@@Isaac121 Uncle T was just throwing his money away. 😂 Anyway, Pate is always positive about every coach and staff. He doesn't want to lose access to the teams.
Clown comment of the year 🤡
Pate you are ignoring the fact they cheated for 3 years. You couldn't defend the coaching staff's awareness.
By your own definition a program is a 3 year rolling average. UM cheated for 3 years straight. They are a program defined by cheating.
I am just baffled by his ability to ignore that fact and just make it about this past year
@@theJukeboxHero40 National Champs Baby!!!! Now go cry somewhere else!!!
@@newfdog9602 You had to cheat in order to have success. Isn't it ironic that your program turned around during the same time the cheating started. But what else do you expect from the scum program. Can't wait when you have to give those three Big ten titles up and the cheating national championship. This will be a great day in Buckeye Nation. Cheaters Cheers cheaters Cheers cheaters Cheers cheaters cheaters Cheers cheaters Cheers cheaters Cheers cheaters Cheers cheaters Cheers cheaters Cheers cheaters Cheers cheaters Cheers cheaters cheaters cheaters Cheers cheaters Cheers, cheaters cheaters Cheers, cheaters and did I say cheaters?
@@newfdog9602 You may not be anymore after this investigation.
Wanna bet?
Michigan shouldn't have been allowed to play in the post season. Once the investigation is complete, they should be stripped of every win last season.
THIS IS THE WAY!
Bare minimum National Title vacated…and saying he doesn’t care or fans shouldn’t…is the most disingenuous 💩 I have ever heard!
Travesty is that they were allowed to participate in the playoff when there was more than enough evidence to prevent it from happening!
Ok bucknut
They will. The fallout from this will be huge. Its the largest cheating scandal since shoeless joe jackson
You charmin soft Ohio boys scared?
Good thing they could because they were obviously the best team in the country 😂😭 kiss the ring 🏆〽️
No sense in beating around the bush. Josh, I think you’re wrong. I think this Clemson team is a playoff team and will exceed yours and the country’s expectations. Calling my shot right here and now: If Clemson goes 12-0, I want a Chalice of Supremacy.
They cheated for years. Which gave them better records than they should of had. Which resulted in getting better and higher rated recruits then they should have. So the seniors that ended up winning that National Championship would have probably never gone to Michigan had the university not cheated the years before.
*should have had
*Than (not then)
@mark_a_vigil their recruiting ranks have actually been lower the last couple years than in the years before. Try again. U ohio excuses are getting weak
Shut up and enjoy those 3 straight losses😆 are you gonna keep whining when the season starts like you have all offseason?
Except their recruiting classes have stayed the same or gotten worse over the last few years. How you can act like advanced scouting is beyond the pale but teams paying for the best recruits for years under the table isn't cheating just goes to show this whole situation is a joke.
Michigan historically has never gotten many five star players and they still don't
You’re the goat, Josh, but your take on Michigan isn’t right. You can’t say that them cheating didn’t have anything to do with their wins. That’s just silly. The whole season has an asterisk now
Try 3
He’s covering for being wrong about it all for so long. He said he doesn’t think Michigan fans should care if the title gets vacated. He now knows what’s going to happen. The NCAA will not recognize the CFP win and the CFP will boot Ward of the committee and they will vacate the title to maintain their own integrity. Its over.
You must be one of those Ohio fans who have an excuse for losing to them each time
@@hillbillysceptic1982 Really? You think the NCAA has integrity? The NCAA may not even be around much longer so IMO if anything they might try to go out swinging and punish Michigan as harsh as they can in a last ditch effort to show some resemblance of "power".
@@brandonwalker7311you must thinking cheating is morally acceptable behavior.
I absolutely agree that we are all entitled to our opinions of Michigan…But, shouldn’t we honestly care about the stealing of signs on such a shameless level? Shouldn’t we care that their record, particularly against Ohio State changed for the better as a result of this cheating? The NCAA has of course become a paper tiger with serious dental issues. But shouldn’t they put their sharp dentures in and take some serious action for these infractions? Food for thought, but IMHO we should care.
The integrity of the game will be in shambles if they let this slide. Everyone and their mom will be on the next version of this trying to get ahead if it only costs a couple coaches and you get a natty
Imma dawg and I agree with you 👊
Ohio State fans are so hypocritical. Go gators, and by proxy go big blue.
There are worse things going on in the sport and this is where people want the NCAA to sharpen their fangs? The NCAA came out before this news was made known and said that taking signals in person gives no competitive advantage. The NCAAs own words would be thrown in their face when this inevitably goes to court if the NCAA decided to be more than a paper tiger here
@@shawnmack11 you're just sad Meyer left you for us
I for a B1G fan am willing to consider another conference the winners of last year's Natty, because cheating is not acceptable in my book.
Connor Stallions is a conference now?
“We’re well ahead of this” didn’t mention it till the bombshell dropped?
Credit for not talking about what is undoubtedly a hot topic/prime time.
Buckeye here...I believe something is going to happen but this is the NCAA so it won't have any teeth. But /ichigan fans arrogance just might change that. They're kinda almost daring them.
The sign stealing clearly didn't effect them last year in games. But the two years prior if it even wins them 1 or 2 more games it by proxy effected last year. Winning two big 10 titles and making it to a CFP gets big recruits, transfers, and people to not transfer that may have been planning on transferring. There is a reason Harbaugh left and there is a reason Michigan took off in the past three seasons.
"I don't think stallions had anything to do with that" then why did they do it? I seem to remember he couldn't beat a ranked team to save his life then suddenly they win and suddenly they get caught cheating
Michigan literally beat MSU (Away), Penn State (Away), Ohio State, Alabama and Washington AFTER the supposed sign stealing and Harbaugh suspension. Think, man.
@@KiiDSarajevo yeah after 6 weeks of playing d2 teams and sitting starters in the second half. Michigan St didn't even have a coach stfu. Your cheating schedules is why we have a 12 team playoff
@@KiiDSarajevoread his comment again
I would say Stallions didn’t have anything to do with Bama’s Center scuttling every other snap.
you lost me at, "I don't care".
Josh, you don't believe Connor Stallions had anything to do with the win over Ohio State? PLEASE! Read the article again. The last thing he did before walking out the door was hand over the sign stealing sheets. After filming 58 games he had all the different sets of signals. And just because he was nit physically on the field does not mean his "work product" was not on the field. Josh, you are normally thoughtful and insightful. You are much better than this! PLEASE DO NOT BECOME KLATT SCHILL!
jim harbaugh knew about this in 2022. hence why the rumors came out with him and the vikings job
Harbaugh was interviewing for other jobs on national signing day hahaha. Dude was desperate to win at Michigan and wanted out for a while
@@randombutrelevanthe was turned down
$20 says harbaugh picks up a show-cause for this. The are some conversations going on at Chargers hq right now. 👀👀
Nah your favorite team just lost to them
@@lukesmittendorf9053 they actually didn’t but go off defending your favorite team
Colorado turned their team into GTA 6 instead of waiting for it
When you observe Josh's indifference to UGAs off-field issues, you begin to understand why he says what he says about Michigan.
I think you missed Josh's point entirely regarding UGA
As a Longhorn fan we have to manage our expectations. 12-0 is a real possibility but 2 or even 3 losses, isn't out of the realm of possibility. But guess what, that's the same for every other SEC or college team.🤘
Ya? Conner talking to the defensive coordinator then he calls the defense. Two deep safeties leave the receivers in single coverage to rush the line on a run! Leave Marvin Harrison because you know it’s a run!??? Cheaters all the way!
Ya? Donovan Edwards woah will they catch him, no. Good thing Stalions helped with that. Oh and good thing Connor stallions help Hassan Haskins get five touch downs.
Josh always has, and always will have a soft take on anything serious. Like the Michigan cheating scandal, he doesn’t want to lose the Cheaterine fan base. It’s disappointing.
You’re disappointed bc he doesn’t agree with you and every other person in the “we hate Michigan” army 😂
@@killa.q_ well, no. He says he loves this game, but won’t actually call out cheating behavior. It’s hypocrisy.
@@user-qu5nh2ij5v who cheated?
@@killa.q_ Michigan? You must be a casual. That’s okay
@@user-qu5nh2ij5v How did Jim cheat? Sherrone cheat? JJ cheat? Blake cheat? Will cheat? Mason cheat? Mikey cheat?
These are all pro or future pro football players btw…
Please explain bc yeah yk im such a casual 😓
Something smells with Josh and Clemson… no invite to Clemson in the spring tour, no Dabo interview when he’s interviewed nearly all other major programs, I don’t think Late Kick passes Dabo’s interview criteria for whatever reason.
All the questions would be about what people actually care about such as the portal and NIL. Dabo doesn't have the answers.
@@Mike-sp7zv he’s on the record multiple times with answers, just not the ones people like
Clemson isn't a major program
@@drewwhitlow3142 not sufficient answers. Answers that have been the cause of less wins each year since 2018. Fans of their own team are now coming to realize that dabo is at this point hurting the program.
@@Phil4222 you are high
As someone below stated and I agree: " knowing your future opponent's play calls before the ball is snapped, on both sides of the ball, must not be an advantage!" Josh, for you to defend this type of action and state that no one but Stallions was involved is ridiculous. So Stallions came out of pocket for thousands of dollars on a nothing salary to fund this entire scam, purely on his own? I've got some swamp land to sell if you're interested.
If Josh watched BuckeyeScoop he would know the CBS Affiliate in Columbus has video of CJ Stroud calling an audible. Immediately after this Connor Stallions and 30 other Michigan players and staffers are jumping up and down pointing to the sky because a Michigan Grad Asst. or whatever yelled "pass" on the sideline right after CJ audibled. You're telling me all these players and staff members didn't wonder why this intern is telling Mike Minter on the sideline what plays to call?!? that's so naive
Maaaaaaan that's wild lol yea fuggem
Wait? It’s not common for a low level Staffer making 50k a year to be lock step with the OC and the DC during games? You mean to tell me it’s not normal for a low level staffer to have bought tickets at over 20 games behind future opponents bench to record signals like he was on the sidelines at CMU? If it doesn’t help you win and doesn’t help put you in best position play in and play out why do it at all?
And he threw a touchdown on the play.. LMAO y'all clowns are funny.. just can't handle loss.. what's the excuse for not getting in the end zone against Missouri?
@@brandonwalker7311y'all lost so much for so long this happened lmfao who you saying can't handle loss?? your program has been marked as non-compliant, I don't imagine that was happening when harbaugh was 0-5 now was it darlin? And no one cares about the Missouri game. Literally no one. More people still care about app State than care about that lmfao
Buckeye scoop??? Hahaha the biggest joke of a show that's wrong 99.9% of the time. Sure, he should watch. Haha
That didn't look like the 1 gallon water jug sold @ Academy Outdoor Sports.
Every time Michigan was presented with a legal battle, they folded. And if knowing plays beforehand doesn't impact every part of the game, why are they kept so secret and we pay people so much for making good ones? Including good, fake ones?
They lost to TCU before being caught. Then after being caught beat penn state Ohio state Alabama and Washington and a natty. You’re so confused
@@jasonp3717they lost to TCU because they didn't scout them 😂
So what does that mean when they beat OSU in ‘22, PSU, Bama, OSU again, Wash, without signs? How about the teams that conspired and shared UM’s signs with one another? There is no difference in inherent advantage between them if they arrive at the same endpoint - nor is there much advantage anyway. Seems like you guys think the players see madden play art prior to each play 😂
Please, my brothers in Christ, stop with the pearl clutching and use common sense.
@@jasonp3717 they lost to a bad TCU because they didn't scout TCU. All those other teams were scouted(illegally).
Buddy you really don't understand how bad of a time you're in for lol
@@cfiasco common sense is going to feel similar to getting hit by a cement truck over the next few weeks for you, brother lol
Notice how Michigan completed recruiting before this was brought up.
Your hard on against the NCAA is showing.
Your hard on for the NCAA is showing 🤡
If you're still shelling for the NCAA you're the insane one
Who ever has a hard on against anything?
That’s the most illogical comment ever, and a ridiculous attempt at being provocative to seem significant. Total E D .
Most college football fans dont like the NCAA
Your hard on for Michigan is showing
"at the end of the day, no one believes at this point that Michigan didn't win the national title fair and square." -NCAA President
As long as we can cheat along the way nobody cares right?
In reference to a single game, not 2021-2023. Also his comment does not represent an investigation
@@theJukeboxHero40 no, in reference to their national championship season. Go ahead and look up the full quote.
Florida has a tough schedule but it seems like a big overreach to say they will automatically when the Big12. There aren’t any top10 teams but the conference dominates the second tier.
What do you think about the chaos possibilities of multiple one loss Big12 teams? The top 5-6 don’t have many games against each other. Only two could play for the championship. Does that tiebreaker eliminate one of the teams from the playoffs? Would a one loss nonchampionship Big12 team take a playoff spot from say a 4th place sec or b1g team?
In my opinion the default breakdown is 4-4-1-1-1-1; sec, B1G, ND, acc, Big12, g5. Any additional teams from the bottom 3 means stealing a spot from the top 3.
Texas got given a VERY EASY schedule!! Talk about a dang gift!!
I predict that all those miles will eventually catch up in performance and then recruiting for the left coast 6.
The jealousy tiny programs have more Michigan is unparralled😭
Not like Us
💯
Around minute 25 you have a weird volume dip when he starts talking about florida and Montreal johnson.
Josh 9.25 is a cop out. You give it to the ones you're scared might actually come true, so you can avoid giving out the chali
If Rutgers goes undefeated (highly unlikely, but not impossible, given the relatively weak schedule), they will make the B1G championship game, and win or lose, make the playoff. Rutgers could make the playoff if they go 11-1 regular season (quite possible, given the schedule), and at 8-1 in conference, could slip ahead of whoever is 2nd best among tOSU/Oregon/Michigan/Penn State/Iowa/USC, who could beat each other up to the point that only one team from that group finishes with less than 2 conference losses (possible-basically all you need is for the loser of tOSU-Oregon game to lose one other conference game). Even if Rutgers gets beaten (maybe not blown out, but beaten) in the B1G Championship, 11-2 with a championship game appearance would likely get them into the playoff.
Even if Rutgers goes 11-1 but misses the B1G playoff, due to tie-breakers with a 1- loss Oregon, Ohio St., etc, they would be 3rd place in the B1G, and very hard to exclude from the playoff. At 10-2, Rutgers probably doesn’t make it, but there are a few scenarios where they actually might (especially if the teams on their schedule perform above expectations, thus raising the end-of-year SOS rank from 62 to 26, or so).
I feel totally different!
Repeat offender. Already on probation for level one violations. Multiple additional level one violations. Moore fired before the season. Bowl ban. Five years.
Go blue!
Cope
@@randombutrelevantthat's the previous notice of allegations that stated that it wasn't a cheeseburger lol. The violation was for 3 players they had to the facility during the COVID dead period and then Michigan lied about it 🤣. That's a very serious charge. The NCAA stated from the get go that the cheeseburger thing was inaccurate 🤣. Michigan is getting the hammer
I've never seen anyone carry this much sand for the NCAA lol. An organization that is hated as much as it is corrupt... and this dude is all over their dongs. Lol
@@MacaroniCeronihe knows it wasn't over a cheeseburger. He is trying to spread misinformation.
If no games are vacated and no future punishment to the team then cheating doesn’t matter. How does anyone bet on a game. Why buy tickets to a football game or care about the sport.
Good. So you won’t be watching this upcoming season this year right?
Your viewership will not be missed lol, this greatly game will move on without you
@@killa.q_ yea I won’t watch. I won’t renew my live tv streaming service. So Fox/ESPN will have one less house hold paying for service. Millions before me have cut cable. The sport has declined since NIL. The decline of the NCAA will hurt the sport not help it.
@@ShallowPocket adios! 🤠
10’ vs 10 stories?
The difference is known as pucker factor.
Is there a team with a better QB two deep?
Stallions was on the Central Michigan sideline working for Central Michigan. Come back to this comment when the story breaks
Hammer time!!
Thamel said no vacated wins or bowl bans. The hammer is going to be a fine. Just be ready.
@@MrMabloom betting is now coming up too
I remember those rumors last year too. But the draft of the NOA are out. Let it go brother.
Nothing is happening.
Hey Josh, been a fan for years, I know you’re a smart guy that can do basic math, so let’s do a basic math exercise.
Conner Stallions Michigan salary: $55,000/yr
55,000 x 3 = $165,000 (before taxes)
(Being VERY conservative with prices)
Lower bowl tickets: 58 x 500 = $29,000
Hotels: 58 x 200 = 11,600
Flights: 58 x 200 = 11,600
Total: $52,200
That’s assuming he bought ONE ticket, did everything alone and didn’t hire/pay anyone to go to games for him (which we know he did). Stallions did not “act alone” he was funded from above. I know you’re smart enough to know that.
Go cry about it some more. That’s all you’ve done all offseason
Since money is the engine that makes everything run why don’t we take it away from the teams that don’t comply with the rules? Such as give the other big ten teams the tv money. So take Michigans portion of tv money and split it up between the other big ten teams. This should be in the tv contracts within the big ten conference leaders and school ADs and coaches.
Disappointed what I’m hearing so far. Lone wolf? Doesn’t what they did affect the integrity of the game? Doesn’t Harbaugh and company’s mass exodus suggest there was coordination? Smh
Prepare to be disappointed pos
No. I get there are disappointed people out here. But the reality is it’s pretty minimal. Thamel said there’s going to be no postseason ban and no vacated wins.
@nacho997 it's 100% normal that when a coach takes a bigger or better job, he takes a lot of his staff with him. Why are ohio fans acting like this is unusual? U guys are getting desperate. It's hilariously entertaining
When are yall gonna face the music and realize that everyone with a actual name has the same sentiment 😂 MICHIGAN IS INNOCENT. The dude went on this mission HIMSELF. The only people so butthurt about this and still calling Michigan cheaters are rival fans on social media. Y’all are clowns 😭😭😭
@killa.q_ the guy had a 600 page manifesto (he actually called it his michigan manifesto) containing a 20 year plan to take over the program. At best, he was obsessive with delusions of grandeur. Not a stretch to think he acted alone.
He paid his friends on public facing apps, he didn't even try to hide it. His job was to steal signs via film and in game, a position every team has. He just went a bit above and beyond. To suggest him having a buddy film a game on his phone or standing on the opposite sidelines with spy glasses made any difference is ridiculous.
What's to stop a booster to go to an opponents game, film it, and post it to yt? Nothing, and if it makes any difference at all, they're all doing it. Don't even know how this would be any better than the all 22 film they already all get.
Did they cheat or not? Why have rules if they are not going to follow them? If they cheated then what penalty is due?
A single guy committed a violation. Does every SEC team cheat when they pay recruits?
To answer your question, no.
The NCAA has teeth for on the field integrity of the game. They have lost off the field player pay lawsuits. Michigan cheated for three years and will have vacated wins and a post season ban. You can’t cheat for an on field advantage get caught and not have those games vacated.
“Demonizing folks for not cooperating with ncaa” thank you Josh for telling the morons what is actually going on
Bold Prediction from Westminster, CO: Both Colorado and Kansas State will be 5-0 when they play each other on Oct 12. For chalice-level boldness, Colorado wins.
I don't gamble (at all) so no bet slip, sorry. But if I did, I'd bet this.
Tired of hearing abt floridas schedule. Florida is not a good team, haven’t had a winning record in years, it doesn’t matter that their schedule is tough. They lost to Utah last season and would’ve lost to Arizona, Kansas state, Oklahoma state too. Florida would not win the Big 12 this year.
It's not so much the violations @ Michigan, it's the cover up, SMU tried the cover up, & got the death penalty. I don't see nothing so severe but limited scholarships at a minimum is in order, maybe a hefty fine.
Really Josh?🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️ Everyone has memories of getting over at some point underhandedly but was it right, more importantly, years later does it still feel good to you? Most morally inclined people would say no but it was fun then. The opposite side will have memories of cheating! Shame on you, Josh… “Punishment should fit the crime. Forfeit every game they were caught cheating in and strip the title.” What are we teaching now? Jesus! They held more over Reggie Bush for far less.
Everyone watched Michigan beat Penn state Ohio stank Alabama and Washington fair and square. That's why everyone will remember them winning a championship.
The NCAA isn’t the only one “bad at this”
Take me to Pate State University
MidAgain fall off will be iconic. These last three years were an illusion. Our lord and savior Ryan Day will continue the 20 year tradition of pounding MidAgain into the dirt every November
I can't hear you with all the cash registers ringing in Columbus
@@randombutrelevantOhio State hasn't been irrelevant this millennium.
Your team cheated. It's as simple as that. Typical Michigan Man bullshit.
@@treyabbey6477 i'd be jealous if my superior rival just reloaded over n over while my school made an ass of itself too. can't even win without looking like morons how embarrassing. enjoy your trip back to the second tier status you've been your whole life. say hi to usc on the way for us. maybe rich rod or brady hoke can get you back to the top.
@@cellamuertthey were regional program for 60 years before they started cheating, here's to 60 more 🍺
@cellamuert You mean my superior rival reloaded by attempting to buying a championship because they couldn't win one without spending $30 million? Yeah, it's embarrassing
a lot of Texas bad pass stats is playing in big 12 & blowing teams out
bruh 720p is the best we got?? 🥴
Why does Josh defend the michigan cheaters so much? dude is going down with the ship
I wish Texas had Florida or Georgia’s schedule their first year in SEac
The Scam of him still saying he has a producer named Jesse 😂
Usually I highly respect your opinion on these deals. You seem to have some severely rose colored glasses on this. This is the biggest cheating scandall on field in the history of college football.
Is it or is it manufactured? Thamel said today there would be no vacated wins. And it’s extremely unlikely there would be a post season ban. So you’re looking at a fine.
The reality is we thought it might be why they were winning. But it wasn’t. They ended up winning every big game without Stalions.
Let it go.
Texas lost their entire offense other than QB. Sure, they picked up some guys, but to expect them to perform even as good, let alone better, on offense is highly unlikely. Mix that with a horrible pass defense, even with a big improvement, they're average at best against the pass.
I don't think they're even as good as last year. Even with an easy SEC schedule, just don't see any way they win the conference unless the SEC somehow takes a drasric step backward, which they won't.
Josh talks about 3 year, 5 year, 10 year program turn arounds when a new coach gets hired. He completely ignores momentum when putting a championship season together the way a program like Michigan did. scUM.
I know it hurts😅
Regardless of the Michigan situation the NCAA has very little integrity and its amazing how some fan bases pick and choose when they want to back/support the NCAA. Circling back to the Michigan situation, its apparent at this point, that Michigan is guilty of something pertaining to "advanced scouting" to what degree is yet to be determined. EVERYONE needs to take their blinders off or put your obsessed fandomness away for a minute Michigan fans - UM is guilty of something and yes it probably played a roll in the last several seasons. Was it the only reason Michigan was so successful that past 3 years? (heres where non Michigan fans take a breathe and use logic) The reasonable answer is no, it wasnt the only reason they were successful BUT (Michigan fans listen up) it most definitely played a very important role in helping them. The great debate and unanswerable question really is how can you quantify how much it helped them (on a game by game basis) One can say clearly pre Stallions they were a 8-10 win program and then 11-13 win program so looks like it helped them win an extra 2/3 games a year. Possibly but that's a very broad view and its likely not that simple. If someone looks at Michigan's games post Stallions leaving and the world knowing about the alleged sign stealing plot in which the teams SHOULD have changed their signals/signs Michigan still played well and won.
Here is how this will play out. NON-Michigan fans will always feel/say Michigan cheated and their past 3 seasons should be vacated along with their championships. They will hold this opinion forever mostly because they just dont like Michigan, which is fine.
Conversely, Michigan fans will most likely never fully admit how impactful the "advanced scouting" was towards their successful run.
The two sides will never agree and the truth or most reasonable outcome is probably somewhere in the middle like with most things.
good show
I'm glad Ohio State doesn't play Pate state this year since they are obliviously fine with cheating
Just a heads up JP. Your audio is having leveling issues. Super low in sports.
"there's a world where Michigan does stuff last year, that in retrospect, taints my opinion of the wins they had"
What they did had no effect in the outcomes of games last year is your take currently?
Not losing to osu 2 years in a row landed the recruits they wouldn't have gotten if they hadn't, even if stallions was a bust the whole time he did his thing, which he wouldn't have done if it was a 0 sum gain.
Michigan didn't get better classes the last 3 years than they did when Harbaugh got there.
Michigan baby!!!! All we do is win!!!!
Well, when you’re cheating…yea. When you’re not cheating, no, you don’t. BET.
@@vooptr 🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱 poor 👶!!!!
By cheating
When the Stallions thing first broke, I could see this going very, very sideways for UM.
Here we are, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the last three seasons vacated and anyone and everyone who was associated with this scandal show-caused and forced out.
What an embarrassment...
Dawg what are you on about 😭 they proved all the allegations flase beating the best teams on their schedule after the fact, without their head coach even! No wins getting vacated dummy
You are nuts thinking Texas has better OC DC ST than Georgia!!! Who is out recruiting who???
Anyone have any info on as to why the two players from Penn State were kicked off the team???? Must be something serious.
"I don't believe Connor Stalions had anything to do with putting a fought quarter drive together to beat OSU" wise words that Softeyes cannot comprehend💕 Go Blue, Natty Champs〽️🏆
Not buying the Clemson OL as being good enough. Game 1 will tell much.
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Bama will 100% be a top team this year.
Top 25... probably.
Top 4? Top 10? You think they are winning the conference? Remember no divisions now. Making SEC title probably going to require 11 wins. Watch for a team like Missouri or Ole Miss to get into SEC title. Georgia is best team but they have meat grinder schedule.
In 2021 the NCAA tried to remove in person scouting from the rule books (as in being wrong or illegal), the reason being it provided minimal competitive advantage (their words). It was voted down by the conferences. My only point is that even the NCAA doesn't think it is that serious, though that said, rules are rules, so an appropriate penalty should be issued. It is kind of crazy how many people are acting like it is the be all end all of why Michigan won.
The bigger issue is non compliance, imo. Though it is the NCAA, so I can't say I care for them. Also, I don't think it matter much between electronic recording and manual, just hire a few more peeps to watch.
Right !! I have said this so many times . But some ppl are just delusionally ignorant of anything that doesn’t compound their own desires for thsi story .
And 90 percent of the ppl that really care that much about this are buckeyes or Spartans . The other 10 percent is split between a few sour grape fans of various teams who didn’t make the playoff cut …and ncaa employees 😂 it’s insane . I’m
Biased obviously . But sure slap some wrists for Michigan of proof exists ..but also punish the constant leakers at the ncaa! Ridiculous . I was laughing at all this for a while ..but I’m getting perturbed again 😂
I love the show Josh, but your take on Michigan is a huge miss. Their season has a huge asterisk next to it. And if the investigation said they cheated on games, those wins need to be vacated.
Journalist : how much did the sign stealing stuff effect this game in your opinion ?
Purdue qb in interview after a beat down by Michigan , and a week of his coach running the mouth: oh that doesn’t really affect it at all. We change our signs every week anyway. So not really at all
I don’t defend knowingly breaking rules . But punishment must fit the crime .
i love you Pate but i don’t see how you can say you are ahead of “it” and then you proceed to lean toward there being no story
How does Connor Stallions do this on his own? Stallions went to 58 stadiums, and had others help him. And sat in lower bowl seats to film the opposition. That's not cheap. Someone funded his endeavors. And how does he get on the sideline with CMU all by himself? Oh yeah, CMU just fired the coach (ex-UM coach) who let him on the field. NOT ALONE.
As for "this doesn't taint what they did". So if your basketball team paid all the players when it was not allowed, and your team won a Natty? Does the fact the program cheated to win it, despite the players being great enough to win it, not ruin the championship?
And who knows how much the cheating helped. Players on MSU said in 2022 that Michigan seemed to know their plays.
Regardless, you cheat, you're dirty.
You want to put up Michigan's schedule to prove they would have won regardless....ya notice after Stallions was outted, the games became much closer??? You notice JJ McCarthy's stats dropped off a cliff? Maryland almost beat UofM.
But you're likely right, money rules in this horrific society. You can cheat all you want if you're bring the mega dollars to the conference. I mean B1G teams are kinda quiet because they got a kickback from UofM winning the Natty. All teams got paid despite UofM crapping on the conference.
I heard Tennessee prediction but no prediction for Tennessee, what happened
Best offensive this year, Tennessee
I just don’t know how Texas can go 11-1 this year with ewers. He’s the reason they didn’t win the natty last year. Yes he played the game of his life against bama by throwing 2 perfect deep balls. Rest of the season just seemed eh. I think they’ll find issues replacing 2 nfl dtackles and 2 nfl wrs and an nfl rb. I think this might bring us back to the annual overrated Texas team and they go 8-4
WTF Pate??? Stallions didn’t have anything to do with Mich KNOWING the other damn teams play signs???? Uh yea that helped in ALL of those instances you listed! They might have still won in all those instances BUT they cheated and everyone knows it!
What is Josh's source for his claim that screenshat is the past tense of screenshot? I cannot find any confirmation of that. After spending too much time perusing the internet, I find screenshotted is the correct English, though that seems rather awkward. When I search for screenshat I'm told it is not an accepted word in English. It makes me crazy everytime he makes this claim, since I find zero support for this and fairly widespread support for screenshotted. I don't like either word, but I'll go with whatever is proven proper English. Prove it, Josh, and I'll join you. But until then, it's screenshotted.
Wonder what "MeMa" would say about this...😂😅😂😅😂😅
Josh,the NCAA sit to pee😂😂
The 2023 title is now vacated. Too much funny business going on.
Just have "Supper Talk Sunday" with Memaw every Sunday after show live chat...🤷🏽
I’m don’t believe that Michigan will have to vacate wins or the Natty,but I do believe that a bowl ban and loss of scholarships should happen
Even if they don't vacate the championship, everyone outside their fanbase will have an asterisk on it. That's not the same but it's OK with me since they haven't won one sine leather helmets were a thing lol
@@mattschwartz7583 we can agree on that.
Why shouldn't wins be vacated. Much more significant reason than forcing a school to vacate wins over academic ineligibility.
who the fuck cares regarless we still whoops all of your asses physically on the field could care less that you guys are whining
Thamel said there would be no vacating of wins or a bowl ban. They won. Stop crying and get better.
Oklahoma will
Get Texas. They owe them after last year and Oklahoma dominated Texas in BIG12 just look at the conference titles last 20 years.
Only +1800 is criminal for that bet, just stealing Lou's money