I understand that these parents want their kids to be loved, to have freedom, and develop their creativity. Maybe it doesn't matter that they don't know about the great authors of our times. But, you can't allow children to call the shots about everything. One day the kids will grow and will have to adjust to the real world where you don't get a prize just for showing up and you don't always get to have your own way. This is a disaster waiting to happen.
Agreed these kids will grow up very entitled and think the world revolves around them because their parents didn’t have any rules thank God my mom raised me with boundaries but also the ability to do what I want to do permissive parenting am I opinion is lazy parenting authoritative parenting is the best way to go
Last I heard from this family, the boy, Devon is married and has a job as a computer programmer, It sounds like a pretty successful life tbh. One of the daughters is like a decently successful social media influencer.
Did you see the episode of wife-swap with this family? The 11 year old daughter can’t read the word “only” and she says she “doesn’t really read books yet.” I wouldn’t call this unschooling successful. Kids need to know basic reading math skills to do anything in life (even if it is filling out forms to be on welfare).
Wow the way they did this report was completely biased! I thought that they couldn't pick sides in news reports. Today Dayna's kids are very smart and really close to nature.
The reporter should have asked more practical questions about the risks of unschooling. Of course, in a way, it doesn't matter if we know about Shakespheare or George Washington. But what about more practical, life-skills that are needed? What about learning to write, learning to add and subtract so that you can keep a budget, learning to comprehend and analyzing through reading so that you can articulate and comprehend ideas as part of a job? These are the things taught to you through traditional schooling, and even homeschooling -- not this unschooling stuff.
You don't understand how unschooling works at all... they do learn those things. 🙄 a classroom setting is not the only way to learn how to keep a budget (Most people didn't learn that in school anyway). Flashcards are not the only way to learn addition and subtraction... They aren't TAUGHT to add and subtract... they learn it through practical application. (Get three cookies for yourself and each of your sisters... count out how much to pay for this... measure the ingredients for this food... they learn all those things because they want to or deed them for the task at hand. They just don't say, "today everyone is learning to add because it's on the syllabus so we are gonna do worksheets..."
I read a book about unschooling and it was not this radical. Parents need to set rules and consequences. However, I do agree that children learn best in what they are interested about. But, as a parent you have to provide the environment with good books, science projects, cooking, sewing materials, arts and crafts, etc so that children learn many necessary things about real life.
The point is not the "details" of learning about a historical figure. This woman doesn't have a job, what would she know about what she needs or doesn't need to know in the real world? The point of it all is to give them options. These kids have virtually no options. Unschoolers boast the "love of learning" their kids have. I loved to learn about math but I just wasn't skilled in it. They will have to play catch up for years because there is no discipline. These children will end up hopping from job to job, marriage to marriage because all they are focused on is fleeting happy feelings. They will never learn to stay the course because their mother has taught them to ditch things once it gets boring. How sad. Unschooling is only for the parents, not for the kids.
We used the unschooling option for our children. I'd do it again - they are 35-40. Unlike Dayna, we didn't let the kids rule our lives - just encouraged them to pursue their interests. By the way, they ended up knowing as much or more than their schooled neighbors because they developed a genuine interest in learning.
When her kids get old, they will realize life isnt all play and games and most of it generally isnt fun, and her kids will struggle, in a job, college if they wanted to, etc.
curiouspear Actually, unschooling allows for a superior education. I was unschooled until my parents succumbed to pressure, and I was literate by age two. Then when I was fourteen I convinced my parents to pull me out of school to unschool, and I blossomed intellectually and creatively.
I am so anti about people quizzing kids to make themselves feel better. I respect people for going against the grain to figure out the best needs of for their children and family. School is not the only option to learn just like unschooling is not the only option. God Bless America for allowing parents to choose what is best for their children. Bottom line for me; LOVE OF LEARNING it allows for a better future for the world.
Erik Torndahl I live in the real world every day and encounter different people. If I lived a sheltered life I would know much less than I know now. It's important for kids to develop social skills and learn how to interact with all kinds of people. You have no basis to say I don't live in the real world. Disagree if you must but please be logical.
Sandra Golden How do you equate school with learning how to interact with all kinds of people? Children are separated by grade and sometimes placed in the same group year after year- according to what track or level they are at. Unschooled and homeschooled children interact daily with all kinds of people of all ages from all types of places. How is that socially inferior to school?
Wow, first world problems... On other continents like Asia and Africa for example, kids and adults consider themselves lucky and special if they can attend school/college.
Exactly what I was thinking. Clearly these parents do not know the reality that many young people face around the world as the result of not being able to get a formal education.
That is because they do not know the truth about schools and how they are controlled to give misinformation instead of the truth and how to properly operate in commerce.
+Colleen Supanich Yup! This woman thinks public schools are abusive and the super Nanny show is shockingly abusive, (for putting your kid in time out for three minutes for smashing the mother in the face, throwing a tantrum and spitting!! These kids look very unkept, they probably don't have to bath if they don't want too.
This is definitely not what unschooling is. Unschooling is still learning, not playing all day. In real unschooling you are just learning because you want to, not because a School's curriculum is forcing you to.
Wow. This is frustrating. Not because unschooling is bad, but because they picked the worst example of an unschooled family. You need to teach your kids math and stuff like that. This woman doesn't discipline her children or anything like that. Don't look at this as a measure for unschooling. There is proof that unschooled kids are a little less than 40% smarter than kids who go to regular school. This woman's just dumb, and ABC did a good job of painting her as the face of unschooling.
A lot of these comments are talking about how "horrible" these parents are. It's not true. They are doing a wonderful job of raising their children, they are well behaved, kind, and smart. You haters are judging them when you barely even know their lifestyle. If you watch their videos, they are all doing great. It's stupid how people are saying nonsense about them when its not even true. At least try and do some research before you start talking smack about them.
I just want to say something to people who are watching and getting an opinion on unschooling...not all families who unschool do it the same way. Most are not "radical" and do not allow their kids to just "do whatever they want". There are organized unschoolers who help structure their children's interests and help them to succeed in life and careers. I know shows like this can make it seem different than what it actually IS....:)
OK this IS NOT unschooling. They are just letting their kids do whatever they want with absolutely no control or direction. It's not about letting your kids run wild and play all day, it's about them learning about the things around them and the skills they need in a learning style that works best for them and they choose. And let me assure you, she is no leader in the in schooling community.
"Not everyone needs to learn algebra." If you have ever planned your schedule, looked at a clock to figure out how much time between events, altered a cooking recipe, etc. you have used algebra. We all use algebra, every single day whether or not we realize it. And the thing about this woman speaking to the success of the her unschooling strategy (or lack thereof) is that it is an experiment in progress. Her kids are still growing up so we don't know how they are going to be as adults. Maybe let's wait and see how that goes first, before letting her in other people's houses to tell them "it will be fine", huh?
The journalist and everyone she works for should be embarrassed by the terrible quality of this piece. Evidently, zero research was done on the topic, or if it was done, the interviewer ignored it in favor of pandering to hand-wringing ignorance instead of engaging the interview subjects, their families, and their pedagogical approach with respect and integrity. None of which is surprising, but it was gross enough to get me to leave a youtube comment which I generally avoid assiduously.
That is a fair statement. I heard one of her kid say she wanted to help animals, so when she gets of age, I'm sure she will do what is necessary to do so. The oldest lad does woodwork and crafts like his mother and his father, and with maturity he will be able to win a practical job from an interview. Its scary I'd say as I agree with your statement, but the problem isn't unschooling but the world. I am concerned about the kids reading ability, maybe restrict tech until they have that down. Good luck Martin family. Peace
That could be true. I had to take chemistry, physics and algebra in junior high. These were actually useful disciplines later in life, not just in work, but in home life. Having the discipline set upon me such as to do basic math with memorization and methodology stuck with me. I went to live in another part of the world where my American education was not valued, but these basic rote skills are still useful to this day.
Education is great, I wish I had received an education for qualifications but this wasn't the case. I got a chance at an engineering company after a term spent in the army and now have worked in the industry for several years on a middle class wage. Discipline gets us far. I've never had a problem getting a job if available. Peace
She's not wrong that the American education system is clearly broken, but these kids need to understand at least basic principles for the best chance to survive. These days if you don't know how to write a basic resume, you're fucked. She's single-handedly destroying her kids chance for survival after high school.
if you think that these parents are "Dumb", check out their youtube channel. These kids are probably the kindest and sweetest that I have ever seen. "The Sparkling Martin"
No discipline while a child is growing up develops sociopaths.. they do not realize that some actions are bad and come with negative consequences and usually wind up in jail.
I can't believe how dumb a lot of people think Unschooled kids are. I, for one, am Unschooled, and have a pretty successful future. I do not run around rampant, tearing up anything in sight, I sit down and learn something useful. Would you rather teach your children for free, or have to buy text books, pencils, erasers, and such? Unschooling does not equivalent to "lazy parenting" either, because you would still need a job to keep your house and feed your family.
This is ridiculous. I know many people who didn't discover their passion for something until well into college, after learning many disciplines. I know a girl who HATED math all throughout grade school and high school, but one of her college courses changed her mind and she's a Calculus teacher now! Learning many different subjects throughout life is the best way to find one's passion in life.
Why can't they just give these kids a public education,so that they can learn about how to put on a condom,learn about gay rights, and STILL NOT KNOW who Shakespeare is.
I feel bad for Dayna's kids. When they are being told no by the real world, they're going to be wondering why and it'll be a lot harder when they're 25, then when they're 2
Hey, Rod Smoove, Jenn's conversational English, here, is more than sufficient to, effectively, illustrate her point. What I don't get is your insistent nature in going around bullying people on the internet, I guess it's easy to do when you're anonymous? I mean, here you are, harshly criticizing this girl with your crass and abusive language, talking down to her like she's sub-human, and for what, just to make yourself feel better about "your perfect use of the English language?" I'm fairly positive that Shakespeare or Chaucer would have a field day with you, Sir. Listen. I'd much rather she mistakingly use one or two wrong terms/ misspellings, along with some slight, but fairly common, errors in grammar rather than her acting as some abusive, know-it-all going around berating individuals, here, in some loosely structured Internet forum for their honest mistakes, such as you're doing. Heck, even when people are nice about it, it's an obnoxious thing to do to someone unless that person is truly acting like a jerk, such as yourself, in which case, berating them on their use of the English language or any of their character flaws would seem more than appropriate. But I'm sorry to say that it's much worse for you, because you have an atrocious personality and there's, absolutely, no amount of education that will correct that for you. Good luck with that... godspeed!
I feel bad for you that you had to be brainwashed by the sociopathic nature of your society and parents that had to abuse you and you justify it by the attempt at avoiding difficulty later.
Honestly, I do not blame them. The American education system is corrupt. we have the worst education system compared to every other country. the lowest on math and science. it is not about learning in public schools. it is about indoctrination. Homeschooling is the best.
Those kids are going to be homeless and jobless and its going to be their parents fault. if they cant read or write they'll never be hired. it doesn't matter they can play afterschool. this is taking it too far.
Sriwanti Dude, he's like 16 or whatever. And stop using the language "pay taxes." It is taken from you by force. That is not a payment. People are forced to fund the shitty schools you're defending regardless of if they have kids in school, so if you want to cite a free rider problem go look in the mirror.
This lady is freakin crazy and she is creating a scenario where her kids are going to have a lot of problems when they try and go to college and find a real career. Those kids are not even fit to go into the army basic training (Not that the army is a bad or dishonorable career or job, but their intellectual entry standards are relatively low to start with. people tend to learn a lot in the military.) They will be in remedial classes for years learning HOW to learn and HOW to study and produce work to a deadline. she is doing her kids NO favors.
She's actually already fucked her oldest out of ever reading normally. Children can't learn to read even close to how you or I can read after about 10 years of age,
Tiffany Chan But is that enough? If they ever want to be something like an engineer they'll have to take extra classes in college and have an extra hard time with algebra and calculus. The lack of education will discourage them.
Tiffany Chan It's ridiculous to have your parent helping you in college. And say this unschooling continues through generations. Kid goes to college and is just lost. He can get a parents help because his parent was never fully educated. Besides, kids develop in these to phases. Up until the age of about 10, they absorb information as if their brain was a sponge. Around 11 and 12, they enter the "reasoning phase". (Keep in mind the phase transition is very gradual). All this is due to younger kids using their brain quite a bit differently for learning than older kids. Therefore, what happens in the early years (about 0-10) greatly constitutes what may happen in the latter years. The main point of the first few years is to take in the world and see how things are. An 8 year old is focused on taking in new information, not reasoning through the things he knows little about. That's why young kid's are so impressionable. But when a child enters his reasoning phase, he will begin to play with the informational material he had gathered. He becomes less malleable and questions things more. Do parents not agree their kids become more argumentative when they hit 11, 12, 13, 14? So what Im saying is, for the reason of the way of child development, children need to learn what they can in their younger years. They cannot reason as efficiently as adults. They dont know the cold, hard truth about life and consequences of taking certain paths in life. So they should learn elementary math. (Especially hands on learning. Children are generally pretty concrete thinkers). Besides, elementary math is used in everyday life. If I were to give my children a choice in their studies, it would be when theyre older and have the capacity to consider many of the consequences of continuing or not continuing into higher education.
I didn't know this was legal.... there is absolutely no structure children and adults must have boundaries. She is being a push over not a mother, it's ok to do fun activities including culinary, art, etc even taking care of the animals is apart of science. But they need to learn the basics. Honestly when their oldest turns 18 do they think she would get accepted into college if she wanted to do that? Even ppl with great skills need a diploma or degree in order to have certain things in life
As long as the children's needs are being met and respected and the parenting is done with love, no one should condemn her. They are HER children!! I think everyone should worry about their own and stop being so judgmental on things they don't even take 5 mins to read about!
slobomotion my children are mine. Only I know what I went through to bring them each into this world. They will always be my children just like hers will always be hers. I think any parent can agree so screw you, dickwad!!
Starr Wolfe Aleman You might try reading Kahlil Gibran. "Your children are not your children ... " My child died, but that's my cross to bear as a parent.
slobomotion so I'm suppose to adhere to your opinion because you suffered a great loss and found solace in someone else's ideas and opinions? You stick to your opinions and I'll stick to mine. Nobody likes an imposing opinionated person.
These parents here are too busy trying to be their children friend than actually caring for life in the future ... they better pack a blanket and a tent because it gets colder at night
It's ridiculous how obviously biased this "newscast" was from the outset. I'd love to see all the footage they filmed and how much "potentially damaging" information was left on the cutting room floor. While, yes, unschoolers do pursue their own interests, this newscast was quick to trivialize every aspect of this lifestyle. Our unschooled children do things similar to the Martin children, on top of building robots and claw machines, learning Japanese, and reading about abnormal psychology. As for the multiplication question? My 10 yr. old may need to think before saying the answer to 9*7, but she can also tell you how an electrical circuit works and she'll build one for you, too. Besides, how many school kids are quick with multiplication, either? That's what calculators are for, which most people in the free world carry with them every day on their cell phones.
I so agree. I'm in 8th grade and we learned this in 4th grade. Many kids at my school still can't say the answer to a simple multiplication problem in the snap of a finger. We get introuble if we answer it using our fingers and we only have a certain amount of time. School would be way better if we weren't forced to learn stuf and have a stupid grading system. I lived school untill the homework started piling, test everyday, essays due every week. Honestly it's so stupid. When on earth are we gonna use George Washington or Shakespeare in our life?!?!??! School makes me so mad, it ruins my day because we are being forced to learn stupid stuff.
I don’t remember half the stuff I learned in school. Shoot, when I graduated high school I still had a hard time reading and writing properly. So, do conventional schools work?
Those kids are crazy. They really need to be taught that they can't always have it their way. That's not how the real world works. This woman is full of it, and she's overtly abusing their needs to know basic information to get through lie and qualifications to get a job! She could at least home-school them with basic texts and teach them some manners, gosh. I was home-schooled, taught through texts, encouraged to learn what interested me, went on field trips, socialized, and even graduated with a diploma from a home-school organization. There's nothing restrictive about a little former structure and education.
You are saying all the things people who have not researched unschooling say. Try googling it to get an actual idea of what it means to be an unschooling parent, and child. Unschoolers who decide they want to go to a university, go! In fact, universities tend to want unschoolers because they are driven, intelligent, thinkers, who are there because they want to be there and not because someone else told them that that's what they are supposed to do.
Katisha Dogisha Google her now, she has gotten better at explaining her radical unschooling theory. She has put unschooling on the map, she has a lot to offer.
well guess what now the kids are grown up and really smart!!! you dont know anything about these kids, i do! I know tho family really well!!!!!!! They are very polite and nice! NO STRESS NOT HALF THE WORRIES. They just don't know loads of the problems that school pupils do. She knows what she's doing! School mobs people. And plus her kids think learning is fun, its something they do everyday, kids know what they want and plus its true that you only take 15% of things you learn in school into life. They don't need to know who Hitler was as it will never come in handy and also having rules for kids is for lazy parents that want to see their kid just like everyone else's, not different and TO OBEY THE PARENT! Its the easy way of doing it and this is why parents get in conflicts with growing up kids, they just see the stupid rules like "You're not allowed to buy toys if I don't like them" and don't understand why they are not trusted with this and have to obey their parent and follow THEIR style. When they understand that in life they CAN buy toys/clothes/whatever with their own money they will grow out of the rules and they will end up having no purpose as they taught nothing to the kid. Like not allowing kids to go out before chores are done---- that does not teach anything in life -- just a rule that they will never remember in life.
***** Basic math and language skills are important in any career/job. And no, that's bullshit what you're saying. No upbringing at all causes them to know no responsibility and rules. None of them at all. When they leave the house or have to step into the real world, they will have no basic skills at all, they're going to turn out like spoiled little brats who listen to nobody.
+thenamesam I can tell your "unschooling" has worked well for you. Your knowledge of "basic math" yet your absolute inability to form complete sentences with punctuation shows just how well this new found education works!
thenamesam No, using punctuation should obligatory. It makes your message way easier and comfortable to read. You can convey information in a much cleaner and more understandable way. It also makes you look like a complete bell-end if you're choosing not to use it for whatever reason. And yes, you sound like a special snowflake who doesn't feel like fitting in society. And to reply to the message you've said earlier. That's some nice anecdotal evidence but that shit doesn't say anything. I just don't believe someone if they say they have met some poeple who adhere to some specified criterea. It's bad evidence that sais nothing to me. Unless you can actually give me data that unschoolers get into jobs faster, get better careers or even have generally better IQ then people who went to school, i just won't believe a word what you say.
thenamesam Spelling mistakes? I'll simply explain that easily in 6 words: English is not my native language. You claim that being unschooled is better then being schooled. So i use these criteria as a standard to see if it is better. And it's absolutely not. The vast majority of homeschoolers turn out to be creationist fuckwits who think the government is after them, ending up in shit jobs with shit pay. I say the vast majority here, so that doesn't automaticly mean you or anyone you know. But wait, if you were schooled you should know that i have implied that. Ofcourse i can read what you say, but my point still stands, without proper punctuation, it makes it very uneasy to read. It also makes it very confusing to read what you're actually saying, but i try my best to actually get what you're saying.
These kids must be so ignorant, it's truly sad. How are they going to succeed in life with out highschool diplomas, college diplomas, no experience in almost anything, no knowledge of basic math, having and doing what ever they want. What will happen when life hits them and pounds them to the ground...this is not even homeschooling...they are learning things that I learned when I was 5.
I love the whole unschooling idea. But I disagree with the complete lack of discipline. I agree that we need to let kids be kids but virtually every other parent in the animal kingdom disciplines their young.
+thenamesam Are you aware of the concept of citing sources? When you make bold claims like "too much discipline = depression and suicide" you must support them with bold evidence. Apparently your unschooling failed to teach you that.
If this is unschooling, I don't agree with it. This is a lack of any sort of discipline, which kids need to have. I think unstructured homeschooling is great...let your kids sleep in until 11 and play pretend all day! But take them to music and art lessons! Read to them, teach them history and math and creative writing. Do science experiments with them. Buy them books and encourage them to read with you instead of watch TV. Follow their interests, but be their guidance...be their parent.
This video really upsets me. It is not an accurate representation of unschooling at all. My sister who has been unschooled her whole life as well is now studying psychology and neuroscience in university and is among the top of her class. A friend of mine, also unschooled his whole life, just scored 2020 on his SATs. I'll encourage people to ask me questions about unschooling, so long as they are not unkind or derogatory, please approach this subject with an open mind.
These children live in an environment with no law nor order, so when they get to their future job and have to write a report, or do BASIC MULTIPLICATION, then they will be disappointed. There are rules and punishment in the real world. There must be rules to be broken, so that the child may be punished, which leads to using good behaviour, which shall get them a reward. They then learn proper behaviour via knowing good behaviour has no punishment, and then they are set. Children need structure, and this parent obviously had none in her household.
mommyx3ify Actually, reward and punishment isn't the best way of teaching good behavior. It teaches the child to always be externally motivated, ie looking for a reward or striving to avoid punishment and using that as their whole motivation for doing everything. With unschooling, you teach your child to be internally motivated, ie wanting to behave correctly because it's the right thing to do.
I am a "radical unschooler" mum but we live by the No Harm Rule. Which means No Harm to others, No Harm to yourself and No Harm to any thing. That helps my children learn the boundaries of acceptable behaviour and unacceptable behaviour. So if they eat too much bad food they are breaking the no self harm rule because eating alot of junk food is bad for their health. If they run around screaming in the public library they are breaking the no harm to others rule because they are disturbing or annoying others. So they are taught there is a time & a place such as a park for running & screaming etc This really helps my children to modify their behaviour without taking away their freedom.
American media is always so slanted that it's comical. If this were a CBC interview it would be much more neutral and rounded, but then again, us Canadians are notoriously polite...lol. My favourite part of this interview/exposé is when they film the boy saying he learned not to stand on the top of a mountain when asked what he learned about wind(filmed in such a way to make him seem "simple"). Just seems like the family was being portrayed more radical then they probably are, but there's my Canadian assume-the-best nature again ;)
Actually, it's "We Canadian's", but who gives a hoot about punctuation and spelling on the internet? I hope my grammatical error didn't ruin your New Years Eve ;) Happy New Year!
People are hating but all her kids ended up with some kind of job. Wish my parents tried this, but I want to be a nurse and there’s no way to do that without schooling
your children don't know how to read. how are they going to read street signs, read their own mail, sign legal documents, follow instructions, read menus at restaurants? are you serious? edit: the parents say they can read, but I watched wife swap, the girl was 11 at the time and couldn't read any word on the dishwasher.
Many including myself did this years ago, anytime we want to know some fact we can look it up, the world is interesting, people are curious & need or want to know some things, thats when we find out these things. These kids will turn out ok for sure, many issues some end up with after a non free childhood will not be there to their benefit. They will find out they need or want a job one day and choose one they like. They may follow a passion & love their life. What else matters? Maybe we will end up with a better world. People directing their own lives from the start will lead people to be happier for sure.
People who were raised to believe everything they're told by elders have no ability to deceifer facts from fiction. They often also learned that the way they were taught was correct, not because it's true, but because of the very philosophy that was imposed on them. That's why many people who learn about "unschooling" for the first time will have a deep emotional distaste towards it. Instead of researching it to determine facts, they now want to be the elders and tell people defensively made-up "facts" that don't even make logical sense. They then get emotional when this method doesn't work on some because it's the only way that works in their mind. Rational argument is not a major part of compulsory education. Some might not even realize the words "extreme" and "radical" are meaningless words used only for a biased connotation. The media feeds on this believe the elders mentality to profit.
The real world is full of chaos and disorder. There are no instruction manuals for everything. You people want to create kids who would be helpless without instruction and routine instead of self directed kids who get things done.
I'm a homeshool mom and I belive in homeshooling and unschooling but everything has to have an order. I'm thinking about unschooling one of my kids next year, but I wouldn't take any advice from this mother. I feel ashame that she is part of the homeschool community.
While I completely agree with homeschooling children, I don't agree with this ladies ideas of 'unschooling'. Basically she's setting them up for a fall. If u give them no boundaries, say yes to their every whim so u don't hinder their freedom of expression etc, then when ur 10yo says I feel the desire to smoke weed, u let them, ur 12yo says I feel the desire to have sex, u let them, ur 8yo says I feel the desire to only ever eat chocolate cake, u let them...?
If the children have no school they have no social understanding and development. The fact is that school gives the child a sense of self worth and accomplishment aswell as good confidence,social skills and a good reseme. If you do not allow your child the privalige of discipline and social interact ment then your child cannot develop the social skills needed for later life and won't develop any sense of self accomplishment People say why do they need algebra as it may never be needed.
Their parent's mean well but this isn't right ... Those kids are missing out on what the rest of the world, not just what their local environment, has to offer.
This is such an idiotic way of teaching your kids! I fear for the world of our next generation if more and more kids and being taught that they don't have to follow schedules or rules and that algebra means nothing to most people. These kids are going to grow up to be entitled, selfish people who don't do well in the workforce and can't live up to their potential. These kids are being grossly short-changed!
quertillia: Back in the early 80's, I decided to go back to school and train for a business career. At that time, I was working as a full-time dietary aide at a Catholic nursing home. Because of my work schedule, I couldn't take regular classroom courses. Therefore, I took correspondence (home study) courses. However, on my days off, I was able to take some classroom courses. I took general office procedures, travel agency work, bookkeeping, typing, psychology, and Italian. I also studied at home for my GED as well. I was able to learn at my own pace, but there were instructors if you needed any help. As far as my formal schooling goes, I was in the classroom learning under a fully trained and qualified teacher. (My school days were back in the 60's and 70's) Ditto for my brothers and my sister. Nowadays, I also see these online public schools being advertised on TV. Even though the kids study at home, they are taught by fully qualified teachers. Yes there are problems in the public schools today, but kids look up to teachers. How many times have you heard a celebrity talk about the teacher that influenced them. Kids also make new friends as well. Some friendships last a lifetime. Parents cannot shelter their kids forever. They have to prepare them for real life. Otherwise, I still believe that kids should in the classroom; no matter what.
There are some things that I learned in school that I can still do today. But at the same time, there are some things that I've completely forgotten. I kept in touch with three of my teachers over the years, and there's nothing wrong with that. Yes a parent will be with you for life, but if you liked a particular teacher, you'll want to keep in touch with that teacher as well.
Kids aren't really mastering these things in public school as it is. Most jobs only require basic reading, writing and mathematics skills that can easily be acquired through home learning as long as children are willing to learn. Of course if a child is unwilling to learn and is stuck in school all day, they are probably more miserable than kids who aren't learning but still enjoying their youth.
Who’s here after watching the wife swap episode they were in where their oldest daughter who taught herself to read via texting can’t even read “cycles” or “only” on the dishwasher?
Also I would like to add, never be a "sheep" and follow the herd!!! Be your own person with your own opinions! We can agree to disagree. I don't agree with people just following blindly just because they feel someone knows what they are talking about. Life is about finding balance and helping our families be the best they can be! We are organized unschoolers, I know kids in public, private, and homeschool and believe there is a place for each child. No reason to judge others...
In my opinion homeschooling is much better because it prevents kids from falling into the trap of peer pressure but if you want to use it as a tool to get away with child abuse then that’s when school becomes a good thing
She says she encourages her children to set out and become whatever they want, But who in the world is going to hire them? They wouldn't even be able to go to college because they don't know anything beside doing whatever they want. Also if they have no discipline or some sort of consequence they are more likely to break the law because they think they have no rules to follow and there is no consequences. I wouldn't be surprised if these kids have issues as adults nor have decent jobs. They don't even know basic math. I mean come on... who didn't hate school but also love the socialization and the experience but as an adult I am happy and i would love to do it over again. She thinks they should be treated as adults that is insane. I could go on and on...
As of now their, in this video, 11 year old Devin could easily get a job as a baker. As you could see in that video, he has had experience in it. He's also into blacksmithing, which can also be a surprisingly useful skill, as there aren't a lot of people who work in that profession anymore. The 2nd oldest,Tiffany, could easily be a model now. Look up recent pictures of her on Google, and you'll see. From what I've seen, the 2nd youngest, Ivy, has shown a bit of interest in cooking as well, so with a little hard work, she could get a career in that. As for their youngest, he's still a bit young to have fully developed aspirations to me, but in due time, he could be capable of many things. If you go and watch some of their videos on their youtube channel, you'll see that they don't really even NEED rules, because they're naturally so well behaved. Parents who try to raise their kids to conform to "the norm" by throwing them in school, instead of actually helping them blossom naturally are ruining them. You can certainly argue that some of our greatest living minds today are the way they are as a result of formal schooling, but I can guarantee if you could peak inside of their minds for just a minute, you'll see all that success comes with things like anxiety, depression, and countless other mental problems. There's a price for everything, even genius.
Many ivy league schools actually seek out unschooled kids, Peter Grays study showed 83% went on to formal college and over 50% start their own business or non profit, so instead of getting hire over half hire other people.
I love the idea of unschooling. Learning isn't just restricted to the class room. I have three children who are in public school but I have been doing a lot of research on unschooling and I'd love to do this with all 4 of my children ( I have a toddler at home). I'm trying to convince my partner though. I'm getting sick of the silly rules the public school has (my kids aren't even allowed to play with one another at school because they're in different grades!!). And you can get into tafe/some uni courses without completing/going to school. I myself left school in year 10. I'm a sahm now but I can study which I am doing next year two nights a week ( sign language). So who says you need an " education" to do good in life? I hate when people believe if you're not a straight A student that means you'll fail at life. It's bs!! There are so many ways to learn. Not just at school! I wish my parents unschooled me. I wouldn't of waisted so many years " learning" things I had no interest in!
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Schooling does not necessarily equal education. This news reporter makes it seem like Twain, Shakespeare, Geography, and History or something that ordinary American's have a wealth of knowledge in due to school. This couldn't be any more wrong. Ask the average person in America where Estonia is on a map. Who were our first five presidents of the United States. Hell, ask the news reporter that!
This is the most unrealistic thing I've ever seen. I see them becoming Mid-New Hampshire wood workers who enjoy cats and herbal tea and walks into the woods. A life, yes, but not a terribly successful one.
Yeah that's the point. Unschooling is not like this. My kids were vegans, and I monitored their curfew, and their studying. It's just you're watching through the eyes of media who wants INSIDE the system. Unschooled kids, usually have extremely liberal hippie parents: they're born in a environment where reading and being curious is encouraged, and there is (like for my home-schooled kids) no telly. My kids were mandated to learn reading and writing, that's it. The rest was their own discoveries
+drumdad124 thank you that is completely true. everyone is so busy judging the next generation of unschoolers (like myself) that they never think to give them a chance to prove they can make it in the world.
Real life just isn't always fun. This kind of homeschool makes honest homeschool families look bad. She is not preparing her kids for the real world. People also need to be aware that people that unschool do so to varying degrees. Some are completely hands off and others set some limits. For instance some require their children to do some work but let them choose their interest in history, science, etc to study at the moment.
"How do your kids learn all day if they are just having fun." This shows that our culture doesnt actually value learning at all... or understand it or even... know what it is. We are built to learn... we couod learn all day every day but we are taught that learning is hard and miserable and that we can't wait to turn off our brains as soon as we can. These kids are active learners ALL DAY LONG not just during school hours. They don't stop learning when a bell rings and let the TV and the advertisers tell them what and how to think and value... The Martin family actually values (and enjoys) learning and honors it, not just forces it in a limited package onto their children. Learning isn't books and tests and standing in lines... you ate actually learning conformity and also... to dislike learning, and to do it as little as possible, or only as much as you need to, to reach your goal. (Which is not for knowlege but for a grade...) Do children need to know who George Washington is? If it's knowlege they need they will learn it... lol. They will learn it when they need it. Do they REALLY need to know it in first grade? What are they going to do with that information exactly? That's That's definition of needing something... it's pretty silly to think that RA kids won't learn who George Washington is, because it's not in a curriculum to teach them at age 5. There is a reason that there exists a game show called, "are you smarter than a 3rd grader." Most people who are taught all these things that we are supposed to be taught because we "need to know them", forget them because they aren't valuable to them after all. Ask a random person who George Washington is. And after they tell you he was the first president of the United States, ask what else they know about him. Likly either nothing or a bunch of stories that aren't EVEN true. (Wooden teeth, chopping does a cherry tree.) Ask them how that information impacts their life... Most people who go to school are not all that smart. Nor do they even care to be. I can learn more reading one NOVEL than in an entire semester of classes.... I can definitly learn way more about George Washington when I'm curious and interested and my learning is maybe linked to my own internal motivation. (Even if it's just "I've heard this name, what does it mean. ..)
I think they should stick to one or two studies that will help them benefit and prepare for careers. Reading, writing, and basic math they should learn. Like how wheelers learned to carve, measure, and make wheels as a child and then worked in a shop. Or how blacksmiths would take on apprentices so they could learn how to work on their own. She should at least understand that some boundaries are needed and that this will be their future.
Kids are ALWAYS learning. The question is, WHAT are they learning? Learning is much easier when the activity is fun - even though a lot of things in life are "not fun". Learning in a public school is a highly artificial experience, now that I look back at it. I learned more reading books at the library than I did in the classroom. One thing that makes me cringe is when parents raise their children a certain way, the children grow up and begin to behave shamefully on more than one occasion, and then the parents refuse to take responsibility for their own actions in raising the child over the years, instead saying that they ended up with a "bad apple". It is possible to raise children into adults of good character and with a strong work ethic, but imposing a litany of restrictions only serves to prevent that. Children should be allowed, in a limited capacity at first, to practice making their own choices. As well, children should always have their needs, whether physical, emotional, or otherwise, met in a timely manner and be engaged in an emotionally intimate relationship with their parents. This way, they will learn that, despite all the bad things that happen in the world, in general human beings can be trusted and life is beautiful, even when things get ugly. In short, children are just as much human beings as grown adults and should be treated as such. Parents that set an example of love, trust, and respect for their kids will see them grow up into truly respectable human beings. One good thing about the mother in the news article is that she lets the children learn self-control; they will find out - often through experience - when enough is enough. Although, I believe Dayna should let her kids know that they can do as they please - and so can everyone else! Personal freedom is never absolute. Personal freedom must be practiced by kids if they are to handle it responsibly when they become adults. Even if I think this is the extreme opposite of what passes for "structure" in US society, the news correspondent apparently did not like the amount of personal freedom these kids were having.
What they leave off is the number of people graduating from high school functionally illiterate and the number of people who go to school who... still aren't smart. Or who are bullied for being smart. Or stupid or whatever. I have math anxiety and it's from school. School didn't help me learn math, it hindered it. People are so brainwashed they don't even see what's in front of their own face. They see a real version of unschooling and an idealized version of regular school... Traditional school, all the thints we decide kids need to know are taught AT them... but retention is low... an unschooled kid chooses to study fewer things more indepth and retains it because hes interested.
I think my biggest thing about this would be that these kids have no concept of what a day is like. When they go out into the real world are they going to be able to handle a job where they are told what to do, they they have no concept of responsibilities. Maybe they are artistically inclined like there father, maybe not. She is educated enough to write a magazine because she was taught how to word a sentence and how to write. Very sad if you ask me. I think she is doing them a disservice.
The strange thing is that, even if radical unschooling limited these kids in their learning, I think that they would be subject to less harm (on average) than if they were institutionalized in a public school.
Yes! A lot of people are blinded in today's society. Most college graduates are flooded in debt, and they usually are Taco Bell crew leaders. I do know for a fact, unschooled teens can make twice as much money than a degree holder.
Even eating all those cookies will teach them something (tummyaches). No, really, since my mom usually didn't care how much I indulged, I know the warning signs that say if I eat any more, I'll be in for a horrible night, and it isn't worth it. Explaining exactly why they can't overindulge, takes too long, and still doesn't mean that they'll get it. They'll probably even resent you for a while, cause they'll think you don't want them to have any more, because you don't want them happy, or something. Experiential learning is better.
how about letting them eat the rat poison so the next time they know they shouldn't do it. Probably there's no next time after that. we're talking about 1 or 2 yo children.
Sriwanti No. you don't know that. Unschooling doesn't make kids clones of their parents, like conformist schools make them clones of eachother. They'll make up their own minds on whether or not they'll use it, after I tell them it's a bad, mean word, most people don't feel good about, instead of just raging that they should never ever say it, so that they can then identify it as a provocative and cool word, they should just say whenever they want to rebel and get a rise out of people. Nothing wrong with calling a blatantly ignorant bitch out for what she is anyway.
You can disagree with me and point out why, but you can't call names. it just shows how immature you are. It shows more of who you are not who I am. You can't accept the fact that not everyone agrees with you. I never thought that unschooling is wrong in the first place, I just disagree with the lack of discipline as shown in the video above. You don't have to experience everything to know it's bad for you. You can learn for others' experiences too. If you are the adults, you more or less know what is right and wrong and you can prevent your children from doing something that you think is doing them harm.
Sriwanti Uh.. I can... and I did. Get over it. You're the one who brought up poisoning kids, as if just because unschooling parents want their kids to develop as individuals, that they would just let their kids DIE. So I called you a bitch. Suck it up. I can accept people not agreeing with me, you just crossed a line with that disgusting suggestion. "You don't have to experience everything to know it's bad for you."- Duh. And kids'll learn that, regardless. I'd just rather my kids have enriching enough experiences to make informed decisions themselves, and know to seek my guidance whenever they feel they need or want it. You people insisting that kids by definition can't be trusted, and need to be kept on a leash, are just asking for rebellion. And did you REALLY just +1 your own comment?..... Wow. That's pathetic beyond words.
The argument that Dayna presents about not needing to know details of Shakespeare's work is completely flawed. Now, I don't know about the American education system, but in Australia we are taught these texts in high school, but instead of memorising useless facts, the whole point of the syllabus is to provide the child with the skills they need to look at the world in a critical manner. In the humanities subjects there really is no wrong answer, it's all about evaluating the world around you and being able to justify your opinion, as well as presenting it in a manner that is accessible. Although this may not be true for subjects such as Maths and Science, the basic knowledge that we all need to function in this society is there, and even though we may never use algebra once we leave school, what about the jobs where you do use it? You can't just shelter these children from career paths that don't interest you personally. Maybe if the children were exposed to it they would find that they really enjoy it, but you'll never know if they aren't given these opportunities.
what is unsuccessful about living the life you want? I understand when people convey a fear that they will unjustly feel entitled to resources others work for, but their parents aren't jobless. So why is it your business or anyone else's? Wouldn't it be worse if they grew up to be a crooked lawyer? Or a pro athlete with a serious head injury at age 19? What's wrong with hiking, cats, and herbal tea? We aren't talking about making sociopaths or hurting others, we are talking about life choices.
"I learned not to stand on top of a mountain." - An important life skill we all must learn.
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I understand that these parents want their kids to be loved, to have freedom, and develop their creativity. Maybe it doesn't matter that they don't know about the great authors of our times. But, you can't allow children to call the shots about everything. One day the kids will grow and will have to adjust to the real world where you don't get a prize just for showing up and you don't always get to have your own way. This is a disaster waiting to happen.
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Agreed these kids will grow up very entitled and think the world revolves around them because their parents didn’t have any rules thank God my mom raised me with boundaries but also the ability to do what I want to do permissive parenting am I opinion is lazy parenting authoritative parenting is the best way to go
They are grown now and successful
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@@mujtabaalam5907 Dayna's kids are awesome.
How are these kids going to learn that too much junk food is not healthy for you? Oh, right... when they get diabetes they'll learn on their own.
They are vegans
Minecraftlover And how did they become vegans? And does that mean that also other kids will become vegan if they're unschooled?
erasmusso no this family are vegans
Minecraftlover So what does this have to do with their children's diets?
u still wont learn that from school
This is dumb. I would give them a bed time, and I would teach them relevant skills like growing food or building a house.
lol maybe teach them basic adult things like counting money and writing checks and stuff like that
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These kids will be on government welfare program when they grow up.
Ok.Atleast they aren't old and bitter like you.
@@lakotaskyy6906 Old and bitter > homeless
The older ones are very successful Tiffany is a model @tiffanyxmartin and devon is a video game designer
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Last I heard from this family, the boy, Devon is married and has a job as a computer programmer, It sounds like a pretty successful life tbh. One of the daughters is like a decently successful social media influencer.
Isnt he selling knifes? Programmer where?
Did you see the episode of wife-swap with this family? The 11 year old daughter can’t read the word “only” and she says she “doesn’t really read books yet.” I wouldn’t call this unschooling successful. Kids need to know basic reading math skills to do anything in life (even if it is filling out forms to be on welfare).
Wow the way they did this report was completely biased! I thought that they couldn't pick sides in news reports. Today Dayna's kids are very smart and really close to nature.
The reporter should have asked more practical questions about the risks of unschooling. Of course, in a way, it doesn't matter if we know about Shakespheare or George Washington. But what about more practical, life-skills that are needed? What about learning to write, learning to add and subtract so that you can keep a budget, learning to comprehend and analyzing through reading so that you can articulate and comprehend ideas as part of a job? These are the things taught to you through traditional schooling, and even homeschooling -- not this unschooling stuff.
You don't understand how unschooling works at all... they do learn those things. 🙄 a classroom setting is not the only way to learn how to keep a budget (Most people didn't learn that in school anyway). Flashcards are not the only way to learn addition and subtraction...
They aren't TAUGHT to add and subtract... they learn it through practical application. (Get three cookies for yourself and each of your sisters... count out how much to pay for this... measure the ingredients for this food... they learn all those things because they want to or deed them for the task at hand. They just don't say, "today everyone is learning to add because it's on the syllabus so we are gonna do worksheets..."
I read a book about unschooling and it was not this radical. Parents need to set rules and consequences. However, I do agree that children learn best in what they are interested about. But, as a parent you have to provide the environment with good books, science projects, cooking, sewing materials, arts and crafts, etc so that children learn many necessary things about real life.
The point is not the "details" of learning about a historical figure. This woman doesn't have a job, what would she know about what she needs or doesn't need to know in the real world?
The point of it all is to give them options. These kids have virtually no options. Unschoolers boast the "love of learning" their kids have. I loved to learn about math but I just wasn't skilled in it.
They will have to play catch up for years because there is no discipline. These children will end up hopping from job to job, marriage to marriage because all they are focused on is fleeting happy feelings. They will never learn to stay the course because their mother has taught them to ditch things once it gets boring.
How sad. Unschooling is only for the parents, not for the kids.
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8 to 6 cups of flour? It's 6 to 8, no?
We used the unschooling option for our children. I'd do it again - they are 35-40. Unlike Dayna, we didn't let the kids rule our lives - just encouraged them to pursue their interests. By the way, they ended up knowing as much or more than their schooled neighbors because they developed a genuine interest in learning.
It sounds like the Montessori method a bit.
When her kids get old, they will realize life isnt all play and games and most of it generally isnt fun, and her kids will struggle, in a job, college if they wanted to, etc.
What about balance every kid needs some structure, every kid needs freedom and creativity
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And here ladies and gentlemen are a couple of the future homeless people of our country.
curiouspear Actually, unschooling allows for a superior education. I was unschooled until my parents succumbed to pressure, and I was literate by age two. Then when I was fourteen I convinced my parents to pull me out of school to unschool, and I blossomed intellectually and creatively.
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I am so anti about people quizzing kids to make themselves feel better. I respect people for going against the grain to figure out the best needs of for their children and family. School is not the only option to learn just like unschooling is not the only option. God Bless America for allowing parents to choose what is best for their children. Bottom line for me; LOVE OF LEARNING it allows for a better future for the world.
Nice kids but I really don't think she's preparing them for the real world.
Real world? They are in the real world, you're the one who's not.
Erik Torndahl I live in the real world every day and encounter different people. If I lived a sheltered life I would know much less than I know now. It's important for kids to develop social skills and learn how to interact with all kinds of people. You have no basis to say I don't live in the real world. Disagree if you must but please be logical.
Sandra Golden How do you equate school with learning how to interact with all kinds of people? Children are separated by grade and sometimes placed in the same group year after year- according to what track or level they are at. Unschooled and homeschooled children interact daily with all kinds of people of all ages from all types of places. How is that socially inferior to school?
shelly sangrey I know many people who home school with the claim of protecting their children. If not from the new world then what?
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Wow, first world problems...
On other continents like Asia and Africa for example, kids and adults consider themselves lucky and special if they can attend school/college.
Exactly what I was thinking. Clearly these parents do not know the reality that many young people face around the world as the result of not being able to get a formal education.
+Colleen Supanich is school really a resource though?
***** Schools as well as knowledge in general are most definitely resources.
That is because they do not know the truth about schools and how they are controlled to give misinformation instead of the truth and how to properly operate in commerce.
+Colleen Supanich Yup! This woman thinks public schools are abusive and the super Nanny show is shockingly abusive, (for putting your kid in time out for three minutes for smashing the mother in the face, throwing a tantrum and spitting!! These kids look very unkept, they probably don't have to bath if they don't want too.
This is definitely not what unschooling is. Unschooling is still learning, not playing all day. In real unschooling you are just learning because you want to, not because a School's curriculum is forcing you to.
Wow. This is frustrating. Not because unschooling is bad, but because they picked the worst example of an unschooled family. You need to teach your kids math and stuff like that. This woman doesn't discipline her children or anything like that. Don't look at this as a measure for unschooling. There is proof that unschooled kids are a little less than 40% smarter than kids who go to regular school. This woman's just dumb, and ABC did a good job of painting her as the face of unschooling.
A lot of these comments are talking about how "horrible" these parents are. It's not true. They are doing a wonderful job of raising their children, they are well behaved, kind, and smart. You haters are judging them when you barely even know their lifestyle. If you watch their videos, they are all doing great. It's stupid how people are saying nonsense about them when its not even true. At least try and do some research before you start talking smack about them.
I just want to say something to people who are watching and getting an opinion on unschooling...not all families who unschool do it the same way. Most are not "radical" and do not allow their kids to just "do whatever they want". There are organized unschoolers who help structure their children's interests and help them to succeed in life and careers. I know shows like this can make it seem different than what it actually IS....:)
OK this IS NOT unschooling. They are just letting their kids do whatever they want with absolutely no control or direction. It's not about letting your kids run wild and play all day, it's about them learning about the things around them and the skills they need in a learning style that works best for them and they choose. And let me assure you, she is no leader in the in schooling community.
"Not everyone needs to learn algebra."
If you have ever planned your schedule, looked at a clock to figure out how much time between events, altered a cooking recipe, etc. you have used algebra. We all use algebra, every single day whether or not we realize it.
And the thing about this woman speaking to the success of the her unschooling strategy (or lack thereof) is that it is an experiment in progress. Her kids are still growing up so we don't know how they are going to be as adults. Maybe let's wait and see how that goes first, before letting her in other people's houses to tell them "it will be fine", huh?
Math is terrible though.Anything passed adding,subtracting,multiplication and division is pointless.I prefer science and social studies
The journalist and everyone she works for should be embarrassed by the terrible quality of this piece. Evidently, zero research was done on the topic, or if it was done, the interviewer ignored it in favor of pandering to hand-wringing ignorance instead of engaging the interview subjects, their families, and their pedagogical approach with respect and integrity. None of which is surprising, but it was gross enough to get me to leave a youtube comment which I generally avoid assiduously.
the biggest problem about that is that they probably will have a hard time getting into college or even a simple job with not knowing simple algebra.
That is a fair statement. I heard one of her kid say she wanted to help animals, so when she gets of age, I'm sure she will do what is necessary to do so. The oldest lad does woodwork and crafts like his mother and his father, and with maturity he will be able to win a practical job from an interview. Its scary I'd say as I agree with your statement, but the problem isn't unschooling but the world. I am concerned about the kids reading ability, maybe restrict tech until they have that down. Good luck Martin family. Peace
That could be true. I had to take chemistry, physics and algebra in junior high. These were actually useful disciplines later in life, not just in work, but in home life. Having the discipline set upon me such as to do basic math with memorization and methodology stuck with me. I went to live in another part of the world where my American education was not valued, but these basic rote skills are still useful to this day.
Education is great, I wish I had received an education for qualifications but this wasn't the case. I got a chance at an engineering company after a term spent in the army and now have worked in the industry for several years on a middle class wage. Discipline gets us far. I've never had a problem getting a job if available. Peace
She's not wrong that the American education system is clearly broken, but these kids need to understand at least basic principles for the best chance to survive. These days if you don't know how to write a basic resume, you're fucked. She's single-handedly destroying her kids chance for survival after high school.
if you think that these parents are "Dumb", check out their youtube channel. These kids are probably the kindest and sweetest that I have ever seen. "The Sparkling Martin"
I agree
IKR they are the best you tubers I've ever known, And Dayna is SO sweet to me. :)
Sadly this will screw the kids up or at the very least they will be way behind and work at low paying jobs their whole life parents fault
They are grown, own their own businesses and are successful
No discipline while a child is growing up develops sociopaths.. they do not realize that some actions are bad and come with negative consequences and usually wind up in jail.
I can't believe how dumb a lot of people think Unschooled kids are. I, for one, am Unschooled, and have a pretty successful future. I do not run around rampant, tearing up anything in sight, I sit down and learn something useful.
Would you rather teach your children for free, or have to buy text books, pencils, erasers, and such? Unschooling does not equivalent to "lazy parenting" either, because you would still need a job to keep your house and feed your family.
This is ridiculous. I know many people who didn't discover their passion for something until well into college, after learning many disciplines. I know a girl who HATED math all throughout grade school and high school, but one of her college courses changed her mind and she's a Calculus teacher now! Learning many different subjects throughout life is the best way to find one's passion in life.
These kids will end up in prison because they think they can do anything without punishment.
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Why can't they just give these kids a public education,so that they can learn about how to put on a condom,learn about gay rights, and STILL NOT KNOW who Shakespeare is.
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I feel bad for Dayna's kids. When they are being told no by the real world, they're going to be wondering why and it'll be a lot harder when they're 25, then when they're 2
Exactly. Everyone needs structure. It's what teaches responsibility. These kids will not be able to take care of themselves when they grow older.
***** sorry I guess..?
Hey, Rod Smoove, Jenn's conversational English, here, is more than sufficient to, effectively, illustrate her point. What I don't get is your insistent nature in going around bullying people on the internet, I guess it's easy to do when you're anonymous? I mean, here you are, harshly criticizing this girl with your crass and abusive language, talking down to her like she's sub-human, and for what, just to make yourself feel better about "your perfect use of the English language?" I'm fairly positive that Shakespeare or Chaucer would have a field day with you, Sir. Listen. I'd much rather she mistakingly use one or two wrong terms/ misspellings, along with some slight, but fairly common, errors in grammar rather than her acting as some abusive, know-it-all going around berating individuals, here, in some loosely structured Internet forum for their honest mistakes, such as you're doing. Heck, even when people are nice about it, it's an obnoxious thing to do to someone unless that person is truly acting like a jerk, such as yourself, in which case, berating them on their use of the English language or any of their character flaws would seem more than appropriate. But I'm sorry to say that it's much worse for you, because you have an atrocious personality and there's, absolutely, no amount of education that will correct that for you. Good luck with that... godspeed!
JaiceyLynnWins thanks for standing up for me! I honestly don't know how to reply to his ignorance.. :p
I feel bad for you that you had to be brainwashed by the sociopathic nature of your society and parents that had to abuse you and you justify it by the attempt at avoiding difficulty later.
I know this family and this is not nothing at all what is portrayed here. She is one of the most amazing mothers I have ever met.
Honestly, I do not blame them. The American education system is corrupt. we have the worst education system compared to every other country. the lowest on math and science. it is not about learning in public schools. it is about indoctrination. Homeschooling is the best.
These kids are so screwed when it comes to adulthood.
How so?
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Isn't reporting supposed to be unbiased? Good grief, I think Nightline's reporter was terribly biased in this piece.
Those kids are going to be homeless and jobless and its going to be their parents fault. if they cant read or write they'll never be hired. it doesn't matter they can play afterschool. this is taking it too far.
Devon has been running an etsy business for a while now..
Sriwanti Dude, he's like 16 or whatever. And stop using the language "pay taxes." It is taken from you by force. That is not a payment. People are forced to fund the shitty schools you're defending regardless of if they have kids in school, so if you want to cite a free rider problem go look in the mirror.
So? They will never be able to work for somebody else! Maybe you'll get a job working for them, 20 years from now!
This lady is freakin crazy and she is creating a scenario where her kids are going to have a lot of problems when they try and go to college and find a real career. Those kids are not even fit to go into the army basic training (Not that the army is a bad or dishonorable career or job, but their intellectual entry standards are relatively low to start with. people tend to learn a lot in the military.) They will be in remedial classes for years learning HOW to learn and HOW to study and produce work to a deadline. she is doing her kids NO favors.
Yes, but she's certainly not "cray".
She's actually already fucked her oldest out of ever reading normally. Children can't learn to read even close to how you or I can read after about 10 years of age,
What about when these kids go out into the real work where we can't just do whatever we want?
squintychicken Theyll be shocked, then depressed then blow their brains out because nothing turned out the way they were taught.
Devin is a entrepreneur on the Internet now, he's selling knives on Etsy.
Tiffany Chan But is that enough? If they ever want to be something like an engineer they'll have to take extra classes in college and have an extra hard time with algebra and calculus. The lack of education will discourage them.
+ Hannah Karhs If the kids do get in to a small college then DAYNA could help them, but not entirely.
Tiffany Chan It's ridiculous to have your parent helping you in college. And say this unschooling continues through generations. Kid goes to college and is just lost. He can get a parents help because his parent was never fully educated.
Besides, kids develop in these to phases. Up until the age of about 10, they absorb information as if their brain was a sponge. Around 11 and 12, they enter the "reasoning phase". (Keep in mind the phase transition is very gradual). All this is due to younger kids using their brain quite a bit differently for learning than older kids.
Therefore, what happens in the early years (about 0-10) greatly constitutes what may happen in the latter years.
The main point of the first few years is to take in the world and see how things are. An 8 year old is focused on taking in new information, not reasoning through the things he knows little about. That's why young kid's are so impressionable. But when a child enters his reasoning phase, he will begin to play with the informational material he had gathered. He becomes less malleable and questions things more. Do parents not agree their kids become more argumentative when they hit 11, 12, 13, 14?
So what Im saying is, for the reason of the way of child development, children need to learn what they can in their younger years. They cannot reason as efficiently as adults. They dont know the cold, hard truth about life and consequences of taking certain paths in life. So they should learn elementary math. (Especially hands on learning. Children are generally pretty concrete thinkers). Besides, elementary math is used in everyday life. If I were to give my children a choice in their studies, it would be when theyre older and have the capacity to consider many of the consequences of continuing or not continuing into higher education.
Why is it called "unschooling"?
Do we refer to not being brainwashed as "unbrainwashing"? LOL.
I didn't know this was legal.... there is absolutely no structure children and adults must have boundaries. She is being a push over not a mother, it's ok to do fun activities including culinary, art, etc even taking care of the animals is apart of science. But they need to learn the basics. Honestly when their oldest turns 18 do they think she would get accepted into college if she wanted to do that? Even ppl with great skills need a diploma or degree in order to have certain things in life
As long as the children's needs are being met and respected and the parenting is done with love, no one should condemn her. They are HER children!! I think everyone should worry about their own and stop being so judgmental on things they don't even take 5 mins to read about!
Children are not chattel. They are not HERS.
slobomotion my children are mine. Only I know what I went through to bring them each into this world. They will always be my children just like hers will always be hers. I think any parent can agree so screw you, dickwad!!
Starr Wolfe Aleman
You might try reading Kahlil Gibran. "Your children are not your children ... " My child died, but that's my cross to bear as a parent.
slobomotion so I'm suppose to adhere to your opinion because you suffered a great loss and found solace in someone else's ideas and opinions? You stick to your opinions and I'll stick to mine. Nobody likes an imposing opinionated person.
Starr Wolfe Aleman
I don't expect you to adhere to my opinion. I just ask for you to respect it. That may be too much for you.
These parents here are too busy trying to be their children friend than actually caring for life in the future ... they better pack a blanket and a tent because it gets colder at night
It's ridiculous how obviously biased this "newscast" was from the outset. I'd love to see all the footage they filmed and how much "potentially damaging" information was left on the cutting room floor. While, yes, unschoolers do pursue their own interests, this newscast was quick to trivialize every aspect of this lifestyle. Our unschooled children do things similar to the Martin children, on top of building robots and claw machines, learning Japanese, and reading about abnormal psychology. As for the multiplication question? My 10 yr. old may need to think before saying the answer to 9*7, but she can also tell you how an electrical circuit works and she'll build one for you, too. Besides, how many school kids are quick with multiplication, either? That's what calculators are for, which most people in the free world carry with them every day on their cell phones.
At 10 in public school I couldn't tell you 9•7 without my fingers. I agree, it's very biased.
I so agree. I'm in 8th grade and we learned this in 4th grade. Many kids at my school still can't say the answer to a simple multiplication problem in the snap of a finger. We get introuble if we answer it using our fingers and we only have a certain amount of time. School would be way better if we weren't forced to learn stuf and have a stupid grading system. I lived school untill the homework started piling, test everyday, essays due every week. Honestly it's so stupid. When on earth are we gonna use George Washington or Shakespeare in our life?!?!??! School makes me so mad, it ruins my day because we are being forced to learn stupid stuff.
I don’t remember half the stuff I learned in school. Shoot, when I graduated high school I still had a hard time reading and writing properly. So, do conventional schools work?
Those kids are crazy. They really need to be taught that they can't always have it their way. That's not how the real world works. This woman is full of it, and she's overtly abusing their needs to know basic information to get through lie and qualifications to get a job! She could at least home-school them with basic texts and teach them some manners, gosh. I was home-schooled, taught through texts, encouraged to learn what interested me, went on field trips, socialized, and even graduated with a diploma from a home-school organization. There's nothing restrictive about a little former structure and education.
You are saying all the things people who have not researched unschooling say. Try googling it to get an actual idea of what it means to be an unschooling parent, and child. Unschoolers who decide they want to go to a university, go! In fact, universities tend to want unschoolers because they are driven, intelligent, thinkers, who are there because they want to be there and not because someone else told them that that's what they are supposed to do.
Roxana Salazar Not bashing all unschooled ppl but this lady is going about this totally wrong
Katisha Dogisha
Google her now, she has gotten better at explaining her radical unschooling theory. She has put unschooling on the map, she has a lot to offer.
By definition it is restrictive if you are restricting them derply.
well guess what now the kids are grown up and really smart!!! you dont know anything about these kids, i do! I know tho family really well!!!!!!! They are very polite and nice! NO STRESS NOT HALF THE WORRIES. They just don't know loads of the problems that school pupils do. She knows what she's doing! School mobs people. And plus her kids think learning is fun, its something they do everyday, kids know what they want and plus its true that you only take 15% of things you learn in school into life. They don't need to know who Hitler was as it will never come in handy and also having rules for kids is for lazy parents that want to see their kid just like everyone else's, not different and TO OBEY THE PARENT! Its the easy way of doing it and this is why parents get in conflicts with growing up kids, they just see the stupid rules like "You're not allowed to buy toys if I don't like them" and don't understand why they are not trusted with this and have to obey their parent and follow THEIR style. When they understand that in life they CAN buy toys/clothes/whatever with their own money they will grow out of the rules and they will end up having no purpose as they taught nothing to the kid. Like not allowing kids to go out before chores are done---- that does not teach anything in life -- just a rule that they will never remember in life.
I think the best form of education is a Sudbury school, but this seems okay too
These kids will have no chance at all in real life, they will end up staying acting like kids even though they turn 40.
Devan could be a great Chef
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Basic math and language skills are important in any career/job. And no, that's bullshit what you're saying. No upbringing at all causes them to know no responsibility and rules. None of them at all. When they leave the house or have to step into the real world, they will have no basic skills at all, they're going to turn out like spoiled little brats who listen to nobody.
+thenamesam I can tell your "unschooling" has worked well for you. Your knowledge of "basic math" yet your absolute inability to form complete sentences with punctuation shows just how well this new found education works!
thenamesam
No, using punctuation should obligatory. It makes your message way easier and comfortable to read. You can convey information in a much cleaner and more understandable way. It also makes you look like a complete bell-end if you're choosing not to use it for whatever reason. And yes, you sound like a special snowflake who doesn't feel like fitting in society.
And to reply to the message you've said earlier. That's some nice anecdotal evidence but that shit doesn't say anything. I just don't believe someone if they say they have met some poeple who adhere to some specified criterea. It's bad evidence that sais nothing to me. Unless you can actually give me data that unschoolers get into jobs faster, get better careers or even have generally better IQ then people who went to school, i just won't believe a word what you say.
thenamesam
Spelling mistakes? I'll simply explain that easily in 6 words: English is not my native language.
You claim that being unschooled is better then being schooled. So i use these criteria as a standard to see if it is better. And it's absolutely not. The vast majority of homeschoolers turn out to be creationist fuckwits who think the government is after them, ending up in shit jobs with shit pay. I say the vast majority here, so that doesn't automaticly mean you or anyone you know. But wait, if you were schooled you should know that i have implied that.
Ofcourse i can read what you say, but my point still stands, without proper punctuation, it makes it very uneasy to read. It also makes it very confusing to read what you're actually saying, but i try my best to actually get what you're saying.
These kids are going to end up homeless without an education. (Not to offend anyone)
These kids must be so ignorant, it's truly sad. How are they going to succeed in life with out highschool diplomas, college diplomas, no experience in almost anything, no knowledge of basic math, having and doing what ever they want. What will happen when life hits them and pounds them to the ground...this is not even homeschooling...they are learning things that I learned when I was 5.
Dayna Martin and an inspiration. Say NO to public schools/prisons.
I love the whole unschooling idea. But I disagree with the complete lack of discipline. I agree that we need to let kids be kids but virtually every other parent in the animal kingdom disciplines their young.
+thenamesam Are you aware of the concept of citing sources? When you make bold claims like "too much discipline = depression and suicide" you must support them with bold evidence. Apparently your unschooling failed to teach you that.
If this is unschooling, I don't agree with it. This is a lack of any sort of discipline, which kids need to have. I think unstructured homeschooling is great...let your kids sleep in until 11 and play pretend all day! But take them to music and art lessons! Read to them, teach them history and math and creative writing. Do science experiments with them. Buy them books and encourage them to read with you instead of watch TV. Follow their interests, but be their guidance...be their parent.
This video really upsets me. It is not an accurate representation of unschooling at all.
My sister who has been unschooled her whole life as well is now studying psychology and neuroscience in university and is among the top of her class.
A friend of mine, also unschooled his whole life, just scored 2020 on his SATs.
I'll encourage people to ask me questions about unschooling, so long as they are not unkind or derogatory, please approach this subject with an open mind.
She just lets their kids do whatever they want. They need a highschool diploma to get a basic job. They need to know basic multiplication.
They need to know how to do taxes. They need to learn how economy works and how government functions. They need to learn how to manage finances.
THAT IS NOT HOW YOU HOLD A DOG
These children live in an environment with no law nor order, so when they get to their future job and have to write a report, or do BASIC MULTIPLICATION, then they will be disappointed. There are rules and punishment in the real world. There must be rules to be broken, so that the child may be punished, which leads to using good behaviour, which shall get them a reward. They then learn proper behaviour via knowing good behaviour has no punishment, and then they are set. Children need structure, and this parent obviously had none in her household.
mommyx3ify Actually, reward and punishment isn't the best way of teaching good behavior. It teaches the child to always be externally motivated, ie looking for a reward or striving to avoid punishment and using that as their whole motivation for doing everything. With unschooling, you teach your child to be internally motivated, ie wanting to behave correctly because it's the right thing to do.
The children are entrepreneurs. They don't have to get a job and follow rules. They created their own livelihood. The son is a skilled blacksmith.
I am a "radical unschooler" mum but we live by the No Harm Rule. Which means No Harm to others, No Harm to yourself and No Harm to any thing. That helps my children learn the boundaries of acceptable behaviour and unacceptable behaviour. So if they eat too much bad food they are breaking the no self harm rule because eating alot of junk food is bad for their health. If they run around screaming in the public library they are breaking the no harm to others rule because they are disturbing or annoying others. So they are taught there is a time & a place such as a park for running & screaming etc This really helps my children to modify their behaviour without taking away their freedom.
I may be able to understand you way a little better, you are teaching them respect.
American media is always so slanted that it's comical. If this were a CBC interview it would be much more neutral and rounded, but then again, us Canadians are notoriously polite...lol. My favourite part of this interview/exposé is when they film the boy saying he learned not to stand on the top of a mountain when asked what he learned about wind(filmed in such a way to make him seem "simple"). Just seems like the family was being portrayed more radical then they probably are, but there's my Canadian assume-the-best nature again ;)
It's "we Canadians." Not "us Canadians."
Actually, it's "We Canadian's", but who gives a hoot about punctuation and spelling on the internet? I hope my grammatical error didn't ruin your New Years Eve ;) Happy New Year!
Leslie Michael
Um, it's not, "we Canadian's." You want the plural, not the possessive, form.
I know, I'm trolling your trolling.
Leslie Michael Apparently you don't understand what trolling is.
People are hating but all her kids ended up with some kind of job. Wish my parents tried this, but I want to be a nurse and there’s no way to do that without schooling
your children don't know how to read. how are they going to read street signs, read their own mail, sign legal documents, follow instructions, read menus at restaurants? are you serious?
edit: the parents say they can read, but I watched wife swap, the girl was 11 at the time and couldn't read any word on the dishwasher.
Many including myself did this years ago, anytime we want to know some fact we can look it up, the world is interesting, people are curious & need or want to know some things, thats when we find out these things. These kids will turn out ok for sure, many issues some end up with after a non free childhood will not be there to their benefit. They will find out they need or want a job one day and choose one they like. They may follow a passion & love their life. What else matters? Maybe we will end up with a better world. People directing their own lives from the start will lead people to be happier for sure.
People who were raised to believe everything they're told by elders have no ability to deceifer facts from fiction. They often also learned that the way they were taught was correct, not because it's true, but because of the very philosophy that was imposed on them. That's why many people who learn about "unschooling" for the first time will have a deep emotional distaste towards it. Instead of researching it to determine facts, they now want to be the elders and tell people defensively made-up "facts" that don't even make logical sense. They then get emotional when this method doesn't work on some because it's the only way that works in their mind. Rational argument is not a major part of compulsory education.
Some might not even realize the words "extreme" and "radical" are meaningless words used only for a biased connotation. The media feeds on this believe the elders mentality to profit.
The real world is full of chaos and disorder. There are no instruction manuals for everything. You people want to create kids who would be helpless without instruction and routine instead of self directed kids who get things done.
I'm a homeshool mom and I belive in homeshooling and unschooling but everything has to have an order. I'm thinking about unschooling one of my kids next year, but I wouldn't take any advice from this mother. I feel ashame that she is part of the homeschool community.
While I completely agree with homeschooling children, I don't agree with this ladies ideas of 'unschooling'. Basically she's setting them up for a fall. If u give them no boundaries, say yes to their every whim so u don't hinder their freedom of expression etc, then when ur 10yo says I feel the desire to smoke weed, u let them, ur 12yo says I feel the desire to have sex, u let them, ur 8yo says I feel the desire to only ever eat chocolate cake, u let them...?
It is so rude and disrespectful to quiz kids on the spot and determine their intelligence level based on how they react.
If the children have no school they have no social understanding and development. The fact is that school gives the child a sense of self worth and accomplishment aswell as good confidence,social skills and a good reseme. If you do not allow your child the privalige of discipline and social interact ment then your child cannot develop the social skills needed for later life and won't develop any sense of self accomplishment People say why do they need algebra as it may never be needed.
What's a reseme? Did you learn that word in school?
I do not like unschooling. Going to school is better than unschooling and home schooling.
Their parent's mean well but this isn't right ... Those kids are missing out on what the rest of the world, not just what their local environment, has to offer.
This is such an idiotic way of teaching your kids! I fear for the world of our next generation if more and more kids and being taught that they don't have to follow schedules or rules and that algebra means nothing to most people. These kids are going to grow up to be entitled, selfish people who don't do well in the workforce and can't live up to their potential. These kids are being grossly short-changed!
quertillia: Back in the early 80's, I decided to go back to school and train for a business career. At that time, I was working as a full-time dietary aide at a Catholic nursing home. Because of my work schedule, I couldn't take regular classroom courses. Therefore, I took correspondence (home study) courses. However, on my days off, I was able to take some classroom courses. I took general office procedures, travel agency work, bookkeeping, typing, psychology, and Italian. I also studied at home for my GED as well. I was able to learn at my own pace, but there were instructors if you needed any help.
As far as my formal schooling goes, I was in the classroom learning under a fully trained and qualified teacher. (My school days were back in the 60's and 70's) Ditto for my brothers and my sister.
Nowadays, I also see these online public schools being advertised on TV. Even though the kids study at home, they are taught by fully qualified teachers.
Yes there are problems in the public schools today, but kids look up to teachers. How many times have you heard a celebrity talk about the teacher that influenced them. Kids also make new friends as well. Some friendships last a lifetime.
Parents cannot shelter their kids forever. They have to prepare them for real life. Otherwise, I still believe that kids should in the classroom; no matter what.
There are some things that I learned in school that I can still do today. But at the same time, there are some things that I've completely forgotten. I kept in touch with three of my teachers over the years, and there's nothing wrong with that. Yes a parent will be with you for life, but if you liked a particular teacher, you'll want to keep in touch with that teacher as well.
Well this aged like milk
How are these kids supposed to support themselves?
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Kids aren't really mastering these things in public school as it is. Most jobs only require basic reading, writing and mathematics skills that can easily be acquired through home learning as long as children are willing to learn. Of course if a child is unwilling to learn and is stuck in school all day, they are probably more miserable than kids who aren't learning but still enjoying their youth.
Who’s here after watching the wife swap episode they were in where their oldest daughter who taught herself to read via texting can’t even read “cycles” or “only” on the dishwasher?
Also I would like to add, never be a "sheep" and follow the herd!!! Be your own person with your own opinions! We can agree to disagree. I don't agree with people just following blindly just because they feel someone knows what they are talking about. Life is about finding balance and helping our families be the best they can be! We are organized unschoolers, I know kids in public, private, and homeschool and believe there is a place for each child. No reason to judge others...
In my opinion homeschooling is much better because it prevents kids from falling into the trap of peer pressure but if you want to use it as a tool to get away with child abuse then that’s when school becomes a good thing
She says she encourages her children to set out and become whatever they want, But who in the world is going to hire them? They wouldn't even be able to go to college because they don't know anything beside doing whatever they want. Also if they have no discipline or some sort of consequence they are more likely to break the law because they think they have no rules to follow and there is no consequences. I wouldn't be surprised if these kids have issues as adults nor have decent jobs. They don't even know basic math. I mean come on... who didn't hate school but also love the socialization and the experience but as an adult I am happy and i would love to do it over again. She thinks they should be treated as adults that is insane. I could go on and on...
As of now their, in this video, 11 year old Devin could easily get a job as a baker. As you could see in that video, he has had experience in it. He's also into blacksmithing, which can also be a surprisingly useful skill, as there aren't a lot of people who work in that profession anymore. The 2nd oldest,Tiffany, could easily be a model now. Look up recent pictures of her on Google, and you'll see. From what I've seen, the 2nd youngest, Ivy, has shown a bit of interest in cooking as well, so with a little hard work, she could get a career in that. As for their youngest, he's still a bit young to have fully developed aspirations to me, but in due time, he could be capable of many things. If you go and watch some of their videos on their youtube channel, you'll see that they don't really even NEED rules, because they're naturally so well behaved. Parents who try to raise their kids to conform to "the norm" by throwing them in school, instead of actually helping them blossom naturally are ruining them. You can certainly argue that some of our greatest living minds today are the way they are as a result of formal schooling, but I can guarantee if you could peak inside of their minds for just a minute, you'll see all that success comes with things like anxiety, depression, and countless other mental problems. There's a price for everything, even genius.
Many ivy league schools actually seek out unschooled kids, Peter Grays study showed 83% went on to formal college and over 50% start their own business or non profit, so instead of getting hire over half hire other people.
Mandy Martin Devin is now 18 and graduated unschooling. He is now going to college...
I love the idea of unschooling. Learning isn't just restricted to the class room. I have three children who are in public school but I have been doing a lot of research on unschooling and I'd love to do this with all 4 of my children ( I have a toddler at home). I'm trying to convince my partner though. I'm getting sick of the silly rules the public school has (my kids aren't even allowed to play with one another at school because they're in different grades!!).
And you can get into tafe/some uni courses without completing/going to school. I myself left school in year 10. I'm a sahm now but I can study which I am doing next year two nights a week ( sign language). So who says you need an " education" to do good in life?
I hate when people believe if you're not a straight A student that means you'll fail at life. It's bs!! There are so many ways to learn. Not just at school! I wish my parents unschooled me. I wouldn't of waisted so many years " learning" things I had no interest in!
Cass Vines seethroughakaleidoscope.blogspot.com/2015/08/unschooling-philosophy-teaching-core.html Check out my blog about how to ensure that your children are learning in a well-rounded manner while you're unschooling, if you're looking into that philosophy! Also, Sandra Dodd's website is an excellent resource as well.
Hi lady!
If you don’t mind me saying- I enjoyed your comment and became curious how it all went for you and your Fam. I would love an update. ✨🧡✨
Blessings to you…..
Schooling does not necessarily equal education. This news reporter makes it seem like Twain, Shakespeare, Geography, and History or something that ordinary American's have a wealth of knowledge in due to school. This couldn't be any more wrong. Ask the average person in America where Estonia is on a map. Who were our first five presidents of the United States. Hell, ask the news reporter that!
This is the most unrealistic thing I've ever seen. I see them becoming Mid-New Hampshire wood workers who enjoy cats and herbal tea and walks into the woods. A life, yes, but not a terribly successful one.
Yeah that's the point. Unschooling is not like this. My kids were vegans, and I monitored their curfew, and their studying. It's just you're watching through the eyes of media who wants INSIDE the system. Unschooled kids, usually have extremely liberal hippie parents: they're born in a environment where reading and being curious is encouraged, and there is (like for my home-schooled kids) no telly. My kids were mandated to learn reading and writing, that's it. The rest was their own discoveries
People freak out when you think outside of the box.
+drumdad124 thank you that is completely true.
everyone is so busy judging the next generation of unschoolers (like myself) that they never think to give them a chance to prove they can make it in the world.
Real life just isn't always fun. This kind of homeschool makes honest homeschool families look bad. She is not preparing her kids for the real world. People also need to be aware that people that unschool do so to varying degrees. Some are completely hands off and others set some limits. For instance some require their children to do some work but let them choose their interest in history, science, etc to study at the moment.
Very disrespectful for Daynas lifestyle. I may not agreebut is her and her husbands choice, who is this news lady to talk pittyfull about them?
So much happiness and patience ofcourse...
"How do your kids learn all day if they are just having fun." This shows that our culture doesnt actually value learning at all... or understand it or even... know what it is.
We are built to learn... we couod learn all day every day but we are taught that learning is hard and miserable and that we can't wait to turn off our brains as soon as we can.
These kids are active learners ALL DAY LONG not just during school hours. They don't stop learning when a bell rings and let the TV and the advertisers tell them what and how to think and value...
The Martin family actually values (and enjoys) learning and honors it, not just forces it in a limited package onto their children.
Learning isn't books and tests and standing in lines... you ate actually learning conformity and also... to dislike learning, and to do it as little as possible, or only as much as you need to, to reach your goal. (Which is not for knowlege but for a grade...)
Do children need to know who George Washington is? If it's knowlege they need they will learn it... lol. They will learn it when they need it. Do they REALLY need to know it in first grade? What are they going to do with that information exactly? That's That's definition of needing something... it's pretty silly to think that RA kids won't learn who George Washington is, because it's not in a curriculum to teach them at age 5.
There is a reason that there exists a game show called, "are you smarter than a 3rd grader." Most people who are taught all these things that we are supposed to be taught because we "need to know them", forget them because they aren't valuable to them after all.
Ask a random person who George Washington is. And after they tell you he was the first president of the United States, ask what else they know about him. Likly either nothing or a bunch of stories that aren't EVEN true. (Wooden teeth, chopping does a cherry tree.) Ask them how that information impacts their life...
Most people who go to school are not all that smart. Nor do they even care to be.
I can learn more reading one NOVEL than in an entire semester of classes....
I can definitly learn way more about George Washington when I'm curious and interested and my learning is maybe linked to my own internal motivation. (Even if it's just "I've heard this name, what does it mean. ..)
The only thing I disagree with is the friendship and social side of things for the kids.
I think they should stick to one or two studies that will help them benefit and prepare for careers. Reading, writing, and basic math they should learn.
Like how wheelers learned to carve, measure, and make wheels as a child and then worked in a shop. Or how blacksmiths would take on apprentices so they could learn how to work on their own.
She should at least understand that some boundaries are needed and that this will be their future.
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Am I the only one who noticed how poor the journalism was here?
Kids are ALWAYS learning. The question is, WHAT are they learning? Learning is much easier when the activity is fun - even though a lot of things in life are "not fun". Learning in a public school is a highly artificial experience, now that I look back at it. I learned more reading books at the library than I did in the classroom.
One thing that makes me cringe is when parents raise their children a certain way, the children grow up and begin to behave shamefully on more than one occasion, and then the parents refuse to take responsibility for their own actions in raising the child over the years, instead saying that they ended up with a "bad apple".
It is possible to raise children into adults of good character and with a strong work ethic, but imposing a litany of restrictions only serves to prevent that. Children should be allowed, in a limited capacity at first, to practice making their own choices. As well, children should always have their needs, whether physical, emotional, or otherwise, met in a timely manner and be engaged in an emotionally intimate relationship with their parents. This way, they will learn that, despite all the bad things that happen in the world, in general human beings can be trusted and life is beautiful, even when things get ugly.
In short, children are just as much human beings as grown adults and should be treated as such. Parents that set an example of love, trust, and respect for their kids will see them grow up into truly respectable human beings.
One good thing about the mother in the news article is that she lets the children learn self-control; they will find out - often through experience - when enough is enough. Although, I believe Dayna should let her kids know that they can do as they please - and so can everyone else! Personal freedom is never absolute.
Personal freedom must be practiced by kids if they are to handle it responsibly when they become adults. Even if I think this is the extreme opposite of what passes for "structure" in US society, the news correspondent apparently did not like the amount of personal freedom these kids were having.
What they leave off is the number of people graduating from high school functionally illiterate and the number of people who go to school who... still aren't smart.
Or who are bullied for being smart. Or stupid or whatever.
I have math anxiety and it's from school. School didn't help me learn math, it hindered it. People are so brainwashed they don't even see what's in front of their own face. They see a real version of unschooling and an idealized version of regular school...
Traditional school, all the thints we decide kids need to know are taught AT them... but retention is low... an unschooled kid chooses to study fewer things more indepth and retains it because hes interested.
I think my biggest thing about this would be that these kids have no concept of what a day is like. When they go out into the real world are they going to be able to handle a job where they are told what to do, they they have no concept of responsibilities. Maybe they are artistically inclined like there father, maybe not. She is educated enough to write a magazine because she was taught how to word a sentence and how to write. Very sad if you ask me. I think she is doing them a disservice.
The strange thing is that, even if radical unschooling limited these kids in their learning, I think that they would be subject to less harm (on average) than if they were institutionalized in a public school.
Yes! A lot of people are blinded in today's society. Most college graduates are flooded in debt, and they usually are Taco Bell crew leaders. I do know for a fact, unschooled teens can make twice as much money than a degree holder.
Even eating all those cookies will teach them something (tummyaches). No, really, since my mom usually didn't care how much I indulged, I know the warning signs that say if I eat any more, I'll be in for a horrible night, and it isn't worth it. Explaining exactly why they can't overindulge, takes too long, and still doesn't mean that they'll get it. They'll probably even resent you for a while, cause they'll think you don't want them to have any more, because you don't want them happy, or something. Experiential learning is better.
how about letting them eat the rat poison so the next time they know they shouldn't do it. Probably there's no next time after that. we're talking about 1 or 2 yo children.
maybewise okay now i know unschooling ur children will result them in calling other ppl "bitch". Another negative point. Thank you.
Sriwanti No. you don't know that. Unschooling doesn't make kids clones of their parents, like conformist schools make them clones of eachother. They'll make up their own minds on whether or not they'll use it, after I tell them it's a bad, mean word, most people don't feel good about, instead of just raging that they should never ever say it, so that they can then identify it as a provocative and cool word, they should just say whenever they want to rebel and get a rise out of people. Nothing wrong with calling a blatantly ignorant bitch out for what she is anyway.
You can disagree with me and point out why, but you can't call names. it just shows how immature you are. It shows more of who you are not who I am. You can't accept the fact that not everyone agrees with you. I never thought that unschooling is wrong in the first place, I just disagree with the lack of discipline as shown in the video above. You don't have to experience everything to know it's bad for you. You can learn for others' experiences too. If you are the adults, you more or less know what is right and wrong and you can prevent your children from doing something that you think is doing them harm.
Sriwanti Uh.. I can... and I did. Get over it. You're the one who brought up poisoning kids, as if just because unschooling parents want their kids to develop as individuals, that they would just let their kids DIE. So I called you a bitch. Suck it up. I can accept people not agreeing with me, you just crossed a line with that disgusting suggestion.
"You don't have to experience everything to know it's bad for you."- Duh. And kids'll learn that, regardless. I'd just rather my kids have enriching enough experiences to make informed decisions themselves, and know to seek my guidance whenever they feel they need or want it. You people insisting that kids by definition can't be trusted, and need to be kept on a leash, are just asking for rebellion.
And did you REALLY just +1 your own comment?..... Wow. That's pathetic beyond words.
The argument that Dayna presents about not needing to know details of Shakespeare's work is completely flawed. Now, I don't know about the American education system, but in Australia we are taught these texts in high school, but instead of memorising useless facts, the whole point of the syllabus is to provide the child with the skills they need to look at the world in a critical manner. In the humanities subjects there really is no wrong answer, it's all about evaluating the world around you and being able to justify your opinion, as well as presenting it in a manner that is accessible. Although this may not be true for subjects such as Maths and Science, the basic knowledge that we all need to function in this society is there, and even though we may never use algebra once we leave school, what about the jobs where you do use it? You can't just shelter these children from career paths that don't interest you personally. Maybe if the children were exposed to it they would find that they really enjoy it, but you'll never know if they aren't given these opportunities.
what is unsuccessful about living the life you want? I understand when people convey a fear that they will unjustly feel entitled to resources others work for, but their parents aren't jobless. So why is it your business or anyone else's? Wouldn't it be worse if they grew up to be a crooked lawyer? Or a pro athlete with a serious head injury at age 19? What's wrong with hiking, cats, and herbal tea? We aren't talking about making sociopaths or hurting others, we are talking about life choices.