Yes. Let's go 1 step further. Watch brands that don't even advertise lug width on their website. You are forced to visit 3rd party reviews to find back which strap sizes to buy
My wife said I could have anything I wanted for my birthday , tried to buy steel GMT BLNR, after being insulted by 3 AD's because I am dumb enough to want to spend $9K at their establishment but apparently you cant buy a rolex unless you already bought a rolex, anyway F those guys ...
Rolex is playing the DeBeers game of withholding stock to artificially pump the market. Rolex are way overpriced for what they are. Seiko movements blow them away and are way cheaper. Grand Seiko is the most innovative analog automatic watch movement to exist at this point making Rolex obsolete and just a piece of antiquated jewellery.
Exactly, I have a friend who made a comment to my other friend regarding his watch, "Watches are for fashion right?" From what I understand from his statement and the tone of his voice, that there's no need to wear one since phones exist. Needless to say, I lost respect after hearing that crap lol
HorrorMirror Drives me nuts as well! Conversely, there’s something soothing and meditative about watching that second hand meet its mark precisely. This is even-more-so-the-case when it’s a quartz watch.
Same here. I can't stand when the minute hand doesn't hit the marker when the second hand hits 12 o'clock either. Hacking seconds are pretty much a requirement for me in a mechanical.
CrimFerret This is actually a problem with nearly any mechanical watch. You really have to line up the minute hand perfectly when you hack it at 12. On GMTs like my BLNR using the quick set hour hand can actually change the alignment depending on how you originally adjusted the time. It can move the minute hand forwards when quick setting the hour forward and backwards if quick setting backwards. Of course only OCD folks like me notice or care. The Daytona tends to line up perfectly out of all of the Rolex sports for some reason. Very easy to get it perfect.
Not to mention the amount of time that factory service can take. The price charged is already an issue a lot of the time, but how can the watchmakers justify a 6 month or even longer wait when they presumably have all the parts they'd need at their fingertips?
Go to a small watchmaker. Yes you don't have the warranty of the manufacture, but well, i needed to service two watches two years ago and the independant watchmaker did it in two weeks (not 4 month like omega or Zenith) for 80€ or something each one.
@@ald4104 I guess as long as it's not something so exotic that it would be hard for anyone but the factory to service, this sort of makes sense, especially if you never plan to sell the watch anyway. With Omega having a 5 year warranty, I'd probably consider just buying a fairly late model pre-owned with 4 or so years left and sell it when it got down to 6 months or so, wash and repeat. Never have to worry about servicing and what little I might lose would probably be less than the cost of a factory service.
I totally agree. I feel like warranties are next to worthless. I once chipped the glass on my watch. My AD sent it in to be replaced and it took 6 months. Frankly, I would have been better off having it done myself. My local watchmaker had the crystal on hand and would have done it that day.
Recently I had a battery in my Wenger replaced at Batteries &Bulbs +. I live in a small town in Florida, originally from Orlando, and there's not a lot of places that replace watch batteries here and they are closest. The first thing I noticed when talking to the guy was that he was wearing a Breitling B1. Very uncommon around here. I wound up having a good long conversation about watches and aviation with him and he didn't even charge me for the battery. I used to be in the pawn business my family has been in the jewelry business and I know a little bit about watches and was very impressed with his knowledge. I've known guys in the business that don't know as much as a guy at Batteries Plus. He also told me about a watch maker locally that I never knew about. An all around great experience.
I have had most of my watch batteries changed out at my local Interstate Battery retail store. Friendly people and reasonable prices and they will handle any watch with care. Walk in service as well.
Batteries Plus also has a lifetime replacement option. For about twice the price of a single battery change, you can get free batteries for life on that watch. I won’t choose that option for a Casio, but the next time my Hamilton quartz needs a battery, I’m going for the lifetime plan. I’m glad to hear you had such a good experience.
Wearing small and wearing well is different. Plus a watch can wear small on onewrist but not the other. I like the Oris Aquis, it is the smallest 43.5 I have ever had on my hand, but when a friend of mine tried it on it looked massive. And we have roughly the same circumference wrists, but they are pretty different in shape.
First time I tried on a smaller vintage watch I have to say initially I was far from convinced at the size. But I kept with it and now I love wearing smaller watches in particular dress watches. My fav watch at the moment (as I've mentioned) is my vintage Ricoh watch. I find it incredible (and quite annoying) that Ricoh themselves make no mention on their corporate history website anything about watches, which is sad and as mentioned, quite a bit annoying! Great video as always sir 👍
Of all the notifications I get, the only ones I truly get excited at seeing are the ones saying The Urban Gentry has posted a new video. Thank you for all you do and for making me an avid lover of watches!
I must agree with number 10 completely. Living in New York City I've had my share of all of that nonsense and more. I no longer wear a watch when I go to an A.D. I notice it throws them off a bit as it leaves them without a way to pre judge your budget or your taste. I also have no problem walking right out the door if I'm ignored for more than a few minutes. Too many options in a city like this to deal with unacceptable behavior when I'm trying to give the store my money.
#10 hit me right out of the box, because I remember a few years ago the battery had been knocked loose on my Timex Easy Reader (I'm assuming, I don't actually know what it is). My grandma had gotten it for me for Christmas a year or two earlier because I wanted a very simple analog watch for my crappy retail job so that I could check the time without being yelled at. I knew absolutely nothing about watches at that time, but I knew I didn't have the tools to get the case open and shut again to figure out what was wrong with my watch so I decided to go visit a local jeweler's after work one day. Turns out the only jeweler I know of is this really high-end boutique and primarily a Rolex dealership. The day of the week that I showed up they were actually open by appointment only but the guard let me in anyway. They let me, some 20-year-old kid, bum around in my Jewel Osco uniform, gawking at Yachtmasters while their Rolex tech fixed my banged-up $50 Timex. They gave me a whole new battery and a strap to replace the original one which was already falling apart because of how hard I used that watch.
great video! the entire watch industry owes you a debt of gratitude. quick story about #1. i was in a watch store on a cruise ship recently and the sales woman was showing me a tissot or a tag and she tells me " it has a swiss quartz movement. " so i ask if it was a Rhonda . and she says " no its a swiss quartz movement and started pushing the store credit card on me . needless to say she didn't make the sale.
Wristwatch check: Lorier Neptune II, Fortis on the winder. As you neared number 1, I found myself agreeing more and more! Thanks for another NEEDED video, TGV. Reminds me of the lyric to a great Don McLean tune: "they did not listen; they did not know how. Perhaps they'll listen now." We can only hope! Have a great weekend, sir!
As one of those guys with a big wrist, and can not wear a 36 or smaller watch, it is exceedingly annoying when all the RUclips guys deride the big watches. Really need to remember there are a lot of us big wristed gents out here!
I totally understand, hence why I always say one must buy watches relative to ones scale. Glad you agree and don't worry, I am doing a top ten oversized watches list soon. Thank you, Best regards, TGV
I just recently reignited my passion for watches. I started with a one month subscription to a watch service. Then I started watching videos online and realized I can myself create my own masterful superb customized collection. It was then with the help of yourself, and a few of your select RUclips colleagues I now in two months have 20 watches back into my personal collection! And more to come, I collect, I am not a flipper. I am pretty much a minimalist except for the few things I collect passionately. Hats, sneakers, art, books, and now once again watches. I want to thank you especially because you are a scholar and a gentleman, pure class and honesty in all your reviews. My wife is constantly laughing now because your voice, or Fredrico's, or a few others are always playing in the background. To qoute Jody I am doing research with the Gentry because I am looking for Just One More Watch! And my huge pet peeves are watch snobbery and brand haters. I judge each piece on it's own merits just like I do people. Hope to meet you one day sir and shake your hand. You are appreciated here in Brooklyn.
Hi, I am new to collecting watches. You spoke about Dan Henry and his history as a watch collector. I ended up purchasing a 1970 from his site. I noticed that the face rattles when I tap on it. Is that normal for a compressor watch or just any automatic watch in general?
A big pet peeve of mine goes against this top 10 and it’s knocking larger watches. Just because your 6” wrist can’t handle a 42mm Sea Master Pro doesn’t mean it’s a bad watch or deserving of ridicule. For every 41mm+ watch a small wrist can’t pull off there are 3 or more 36mm watches that an 8” would look ridiculous wearing. Focus more on craftsmanship and less on diameter
I was thinking exactly the same thing until what he said at the end, which reminded me another of his videos where he also said it: that one should wear a watch according to ones wrist size. For him, a 42mm would look hugemongous. He does comes out as if he were angree at big sizes without thinking of big people, and as far as I can remember he hasn't make the example viceversa, that huge guys shouldn't wear little tiny watches. I just can't imagine The Mountain actor from Games of Thrones wearing a 36mm datejust. For me, at 5'10", I draw my limits at 36mm and 42mm, though my Panerai I think is 44mm but due to the design I guess, it doesn't feel as big. TGV, if you are reading this, you say you are skinny but how tall are you? I cannot believe that watch you were wearing is 34mm, it looks like a ~40mm on you. Good vid and funny as always.
100% with you on faux patina. Much prefer it to be fresh as brand new. The whole point of patina is that it tells a story. You cant tell a story straight out the factory!
Actually, I like the dash of color it gives to the Omega Railmaster and Seamaster Coaxial Master. When I first saw it, I didn't realize it was supposed to be patina, it's done so dark!
Paying for faux patina is like spending premium money for clothing damaged ("distressed") at the factory. Used to be you paid less for seconds, not more.
My pet peeves are... -Quartz bashing -auto bashing -42mm watch size bashing (that isn’t remotely large for people 6ft+) -38mm watch bashing (that isn’t remotely small for people 6ft-) Honestly if you like it and it either A.) doesn’t overhang your wrist or B.) isn’t sub 30mm I’ve got no complaints
I love your comments. You're spot on. I actually cheered when you mentioned faux patina. That's a trend that needs to go away. Not only does it look silly, but it obscures some of the potential luminosity of that you'll need to read the time in the dark. Another trend that seems to be growing is the 'power reserve" indicator. Those hideous asymmetric gashes across the face of an otherwise nice dial. It's like putting a huge gash across the hood of you new car in the name of "style" and expecting people to admire you for it. Now, when is Hugo going to do a solo watch video? We love your videos, but maybe Hugo could fill in on your days off.
I loved this video! I agree with all ten!! One thing that drives me nuts is when some people do not adjust the bracelet at all!! Like the watch is about to fall off over the hand. Ridiculous!!
The main thing that irks me in the watch enthusiast scene is the mobs of snobs!! Watch snobbery is so crazy and most of the snobby people I have met will always swear they aren't snobs while looking down their nose at you. Thats what I appreciate about Urban Gentry. Never any snobbery and real critique of the products instead of only focusing on brand name. No brand is safe from the truth. Every watch has its place no matter how good or bad because one mans trash may be the next mans treasure.
I am getting tired of some of the other watch channels focusing on creating contents & VLOG defaming you TGV & your channel. If it was me, I would be having my in house legal counsel sending them out 'Cease & Desist" letters without any further delay. Always #KeepMovingForward like the hands on the wrist watch your wearing.
Haha, I have never ever seen one of these videos, I would never waste my time on it, I just focus on my own passions and keep it moving like you so rightly say. Let them keep talking, it actually helps me. As old Winnie said “You will never reach your destination if you stop and throw stones at every dog that barks.” Onwards and upwards my friend! Thank you sir! Best regards, TGV
The Urban Gentry thanks 🙏 TGV your always a class act & keep it gentry...I have lost your email address, you have removed it off your channel since the WB merger so just dropped you a note on your website under my real name. I have a very good opportunity for you in NYC this month that maybe of great interest that I was going to send you a note on, I have left my details as I think this would make some excellent content with a watch maker visiting who I can introduce you to that no one else will have access & I know you will produce a first class interview with as I have been watching your channel for so many years & also as you know I am one of your supporters in the watch community. So anything to show the haters up, I am alway happy to make it a project...I hope to hear from you very soon Kind Regards James.
You mentioned the devaluing of the speedmaster gravitas, I’m completely with you there. I don’t even think of SMs anymore all my fantasizing about space watches is the Bulova accutron Astronaut, I really need to just settle on one before they get expensive. PS. PLEASE do not do a video on the Astronaut, the prices will double over night at least let me buy mine first!
My biggest pet pev is actually people who know nothing about wristwatches and buy them (Rolex above all) just to show off. Unfortunately, they make the market. Also, I totally agree with you, especially with the oversize dress watch trend. I do value brands like Longines that keep on making them in traditional sizes.
Great points. Several that stood out were - bracelet quality on less expensive microbrands exceeding more known, prestigious brands, and website and salesperson expectations. Excellent vid.
Another fine and informative watch enthusiast's video. My gripe is a variation of #9 - there are too many dive watch designs being promoted. I fear the dive watch design concept will soon run out of gas. Just how many different dive watch designs can one create before you are either 1) overwhelmed with so many choices, or 2) the market gets saturated and the bubble bursts and dive watches get dumped because no one is buying them. Rant over.
Muaz Ahmed “a 10 year wait list” is Rolex AD speak for FO! I’ll take it a step further, THERE ARE NO WAIT LISTS except for high spending regular customers, celebrities, politicians and people with great influence (like your local dick news anchor) #justsayin
@@bonzerrrrr lol, yeah I sort of figured that's what they were trying to say. I figure they have a reserve of watches in the back not on display for a - premium repeat customer...
Ten great points about the current watch world. I can't stand websites with an absurd lack of information about the products they're selling. Say hi to Hugo for me, and I'll be looking forward to the next one. Regards, Koen
Hi Koen ‘88. I couldn’t agree with you more. What is so difficult about providing the basic information consumers need to make informed decisions as to whether or not to purchase a particular watch. Websites that don’t provide this info totally baffle me. Your comment is spot on!
I am a relatively new Subscriber. Been collecting watches for decades. You are just so, as new generation wording would put it: "On Point!" with this presentation. Especially your comments regarding "celebrities & the Breguet Function". Respect Sir! In my former life I did some business with a few "celebs" & more importantly, the "Nouveau Riche". Without being critical of people who have pulled themselves up & created serious wealth, they are also not to be fawned upon in comparison to those that are the true heart of an elementalcreation. That gentleman that worked as the Breguet watchmaker would be morewelcome in most Swiss homes, hotels, functions etc. than any of yesterdays famous celebs. Then the magazine situation. The very same thing has happened to serious Boating magazines, they used to be a guide for the buyer or the student. Now they are blatant propaganda, & not particularly talented either. Thank You for another great presentation…
I like faux patina but of course it's much more preferable to have the real thing. My pet peeve is being told i have enough watches by my significant other.
Spot on, especially website info absence. Some brands show quite a bit of detail, such as Seiko (they even mention expected accuracy). A lot of Swiss made watches say nothing! I’ve got no idea if a particular Swiss movement is decent or not (I’m not an expert). As for advertising, I’ve noticed DW getting on board the Facebook movement via teenagers and young adults. It’ll be only time until these young people go out and buy DWs and avoid real name brand watch manufacturers. Watch manufacturers need to get into Facebook in a bigger way. Word of mouth helps too no doubt. Agree with some sales reps at boutiques/stores. One tried to lure me to a brand named Raymond Weil (apparently they’re well known) yet I have little confidence in the brand due to their lack of detail on their website. She was trying to put down my idea of Seiko, or even other well known Swiss brands they weren’t selling. Great video. Well done. 👍
Great Video, I particularly agree about the lack of e commerce expertise and advertising. When I showed my daughter her Automatic watch and explained it will never need batteries and works from the motion of your wrist she was pleasantly shocked and said; "How Cool, really!" The Watch companies are basically lazy and aren't accessing a possible market.
Agreed. I agree with all of your comments. I have no other rants on the watch industry than what you have mentioned and I have no complaints about the 3 other watch enthusiast channels I watch on RUclips. They all provide me with excellent information. I don't read the watch magazines so I don't have any idea who those pundits are who are the shills for the industry. So I am looking forward to the follow-up video. Thank, TGV.
#10 is spot on. Once I entered an official omega store to ask for the speedy reduced maintenance information. The staff were plain rude and wouldn't want to attend to my inquiries, on the prejudice that I wasn't a legitimate customer that would drop money on the spot.
You are simply the benchmark , when it comes to watch reviewing . As the son of a master watchmaker , I can only profess respect and admiration for you . Blessings , TGV .
IWC is a perfect example of getting people into watches. Just saw alot of people talking/asking about the IWC Lewis Hamilton was wearing. IWC responded in seconds which is just amazing.
As a marketing major, seeing watch brands not promote their products to the younger crowd really peeves me. So tired of cheap and shady brands taking all of the young demographic market share. It wouldn't be difficult either if they revamped their online presence and actually caught up to the 21st century. Lovely video!
The lack of watch service in store, all seem to want to send it away for a minimum of four weeks, then you find yourself chasing the watch up, and no one seems to care when I'll get it back.
Absolutely agree on brand websites. Great history you can’t find. Poor site performance across multiple devices. Sometimes prices aren’t listed. One watch image, but not multiple images or video rotations. Special editions advertised on Instagram but not easy to find on the site. Sometimes a complete disconnect between Instagram and the site, as if they are different companies. Just yesterday, I saw a special edition on Instagram that only showed the watch case back. Then, when I finally found the watch on their site, they only showed the front!
Great video. Happy to see Hugo. My complaint on size is the oppozite, sick and tired when a 42mm watches come out people complainig its not 36mm. Keep up the good work.
I can certainly relate to the "AD experience" issue. A while ago on a whim I went in to a boutique of a well known Swiss brand (that shall remain nameless) on Regent St. in London. From the moment I set foot through the door I had the distinct impression that the sales staff immediately decided that I was in some way unworthy to wear their watches and was ignored for the duration of my stay in the building. Went straight to the nearby Omega boutique where I was treated courteously and professionally by a knowledgeable member of staff who was obviously a fellow enthusiast. I now know where my loyalty lays, and where money will be spent.
Pet peeve about watch enthusiasts: a collection that has no surprises, nothing but the usual icons (Rolex Sub, Omega Speedmaster, etc). Collect what you love, sure, but dare to be different!
My peeve is Swatch group brands taking affordable 4hz movements like the ETA2804 out of the cheaper watches and putting them in more expensive watches. That may be a very specific peeve, but a lot of people choose entry level Swiss watches over Japanese watches because they like the smooth 4hz sweeping hands that Japanese companies just don't offer for less than a thousand dollars. Now the Swiss don't either.
@@mdem5059 Same Orient Triton and Seiko SARK007. Paid less for the Triton than a Seiko 5 here. Just sux having to buy through the grey market and not being able to try a watch on.
@Michael L Yes I know what you are saying and that is fine for a $200 watch but when it's a $2000 watch it would be nice to try it on and have a factory warranty.
Tristano the pin and collar pins are sometimes used for purpose. Screws tend to back up easier the pin and collar pins are more secured and usually GS uses them on their divers and screws on dress watches.
Wow! Really enjoyed this rant. I didn't agree with everything that you said, but that's what made it so interesting. I really felt like saying "but what about...." on more than one occasion. My pet peeves.... Microbrands and crowdfunding.
Tristano, I agree with most of what you said. However, I’ve had much better experiences in the local watch boutiques and one of the upscale jewelers. I’ve visited Hyde Park jewelers In the Cherry Creek mall here in Denver on a few occasions to look at the watches, most of which, I’ll never be able to afford. One salesman there, Zach, is it definite watch guy, even owns an SKX. He’s always willing to chat with me and show me the various watches. I highly recommend him. As to the current trend of larger watches, after owning my vintage omega, at 32.5 mm, I’ve come to like much smaller dress watches myself. However, I feel that these larger dress watches are here to stay. It appears to be that they are the new normal.🤮 Thanks again for another highly informative video. I’m glad you’re still free to say what you think as I enjoy hearing your opinions whether I agree with them or not.👍
I went to NYC for my first non business trip so I had time to go to Times Square and actually see some of the brands in person and it was nice to be able to look at them. I don’t own a Tissot and now having looked at them I could see myself picking one up. Also went into the Citizen and Swatch stores, it was really fun. On an incredibly busy day the only store with any and I mean any traffic was Swatch. I also walked down 5th Ave going to Central Park and passed a watch boutique. They had all the high end watches I’ve heard about VC, Patek, etc but no way was I going to go inside. I just admired the window displays. Unfortunately unless it’s at the luxury price point I don’t think watch stores make a lot of sense. Well they would if they were more available, I’d love to go into a Seiko or Hamilton store and so forth and see what’s new. The downside to that is I’m never going to pay full price or the 20% off that an AD is going to be able to sell it to you for. Not when grey market will sell it for 50% off.
I have 8 and a half inch wrists and I really can't go for smaller watches... Though my exception to this is tank style watches. I seem to be relatively happy with smaller tank watches, with their elegance and sophistication. Though you have convinced me that 41 is going to work for me...
I have watches almost as large. Sport and tool watches pretty much have to be at least 42mm for me. I'm good with dress watches between 38-40ish. I mean I could probably wear that Lange fine, but I see his point.
Your point on the special editions has been something that's been bothering me for quit a while. There is a watch brand that I have noticed apart from the one you mentioned, that always seems to have limited or a special edition around the corner......honestly? Great video as always TGV also please let there be a special appearance by Tiddly Winks the Triceratops 😂😂😂😂 Onwards and Upwards!
I agree completely on your point regarding that the old-timer brands aren't reaching out to the younger audience enough. However, I can understand why they aren't at the same time. Because of self-proclaim "influencers", the reason why Daniel Wellington, MVMT, etc. are able to reach out to so many people is that primarily their watches are really cheap to make. The cost for 1 watch is probably $20-50 (including shipping, hiring of types of machinery, etc) and they are selling it at $200-300, therefore, allowing them to give out watches like they are Oprah. The older brands are not able to do that, even if they are able or willing these self-proclaim "influencers" will try to rip them off. With so many recent expose cases of purchased followers, fake reviews, false exposures, etc. the old-timer should not risk getting involved in those problems. Eventually, they will end up "tarnishing" their own brand instead of reaching out to younger generations. In my opinion, what they should do instead is launch cheaper alternative models. They don't have to cost $11,000, or $4,900 it can just be an AP subsidiary selling at $1000-2000, like what Rado, Tissot, Oris, Seiko, Frederique Constant are doing instead. They have higher-end models (I know people will argue that they aren't that high-end, but at least they are bringing younger generation interest towards watches) and they have their lower-end models. People who first enter into the world of watches will appreciate that they are able to get a decent watch for a decent price. A real-life example I can give for companies out there would be how I got a couple of my friends into watches, by showing them that the price of a DW in my country is around $200-300 and I manage to get a deal for a Seiko Cocktail Presage at $400. Immediately, they realize how overpriced are DWs or Fossil watches (fashion watches in general). It takes a comparison to tell people that "hey, don't fall into the trap of fashion watches. There is a bigger world of watches out there, check out my brand". This should be what old-timer should be headed towards. They don't have to necessary charge a large amount of money, just a decent amount of money will definitely help bring interest to the community.
Great video! On the channels the "old fashioned" watch brands choose, I think it's simply because they have another target audience, a target audience that prefers different media. And maybe these old fashioned brands even purposely choose to keep their brands off mainstream social media, to enhance the feel of being scarce, luxury and special. Thats why I do think Seiko, Timex etcetera should invest in this social media game, because they are actually attainable for a younger demographic. Interesting topic though! Would love to hear more about this.
Great video as always tgv! I’m curious have you ever owned or reviewed a white dial field watch? I am eyeing a Hamilton khaki white dial but am unsure. Thoughts? Much love from the Midwest!
Great question. Truth is, no! I did cover white dial but never field. As for the Hammy, that would be my first choice too. I would not be unsure my friend, they are kings of that genre, go for it and enjoy! Life is too short my friend, thank you Ryan, Best regards, TGV
I just purchased a white dial “orient flight”. It is the type “b” flieger style, i put a nato khaki colored strap and it feels very much like a field watch for about $80. I too will someday get a hammy khaki as i’ve always wanted a hamilton watch.
My pet peeves: -The endless march towards oversized watches to the point that the average, non-obese, non-roid fuelled body builder, type man has a watch that is almost as wide as his wrist. This is not comfortable nor classy, and I believe one day it is going to be viewed as oversized clothing in the 90s is viewed today: excessive and silly. I would not want to invest serious money into a very expensive watch with the justification that it is "forever", only to find out in a few years time that it is out of fashion. -In house movements which can only be serviced in a place like Switzerland at exhorbidant cost and long waits. -Squared off tips on the hands of Rolex DJ. I prefer pointed, so I know what I am pointing at. -A lack of color options from Rolex. -A complete lack of Rolexes. -A complete distain for new technology from the high end market. Does every very expensive watch have to have a mechanical movement? -Prices on watches (most over $2000) which cannot possibly justify the cost except for vague intangibles having nothing to do with quality or performance. That also includes such a common metal such as steel.
#5 thank you.ive always appreciated your honesty when it comes to a watch review.its helped me make an educated decision when choosing a watch rather than being caught up with the hype.great insight. Good work fella.
Beautiful video as always TGV!! I am so happy that you have decided to keep the hip hop instrumental that you use in this and many other videos! It’s just so fitting! Such an eloquent and beautiful beat for the greatest watch channel on RUclips! Hugo is always great!
The Urban Gentry Onwards and Upwards fellow Gent! Been a follower since the very early days! I love the progress you channel has made over the years! Inspiring! Cheers brother!
Great video, as always. My biggest peeve, people who can only use foul, filthy language when discussing watches. They offend me and I certainly don’t want my grandchildren to overhear their dirty language. There is just no need nor justification for that.
It depends, if you have gargantuan wrist, then deffo no. But truthfully, it is still and always will be a DJ. A DJ is classic no matter what the size. IMO 41 is too big, well for me certainly. Thank you sir, love your oats btw, eat them all the time. Best regards, TGV
I love this! I honestly don't like limited edition at all. Everyone should have the same opportunities. Rather than having to purchase it later at 3x the cost. I would love to see a video on your favorite memories with some of your favorite watches.
hello there what's the best Diver for under 200€? :) should be automatic and not from Seiko nor Orient as i don't want to get two watches from the same brand yet thank you
Completely agree with you TGV. I feel like a lot of brands don't disclose all the information of the watches, like the movement, dimensions, etc. Another thing is that they don't listen in my opinion to the consumer and rather make a profit of the scarcity of their watches. The Patek Philippe Nautilus in steel is one that comes to mind.
Great video. I would say that I’ve been fortunate to have some great experiences with certain watch dealers recently. Went to two Tourneau storefronts in Manhattan last week and had a great conversation with the dealers there about Rolexes and was treated very well even though I was sporting a very affordable and sporty Citizen eco drive. I did go to the Seiko store next door afterwards and was a bit shocked though when I asked if they had any Seiko 5 models, and the store clerk scoffed at why I would even be interested in such a basic watch. To say that about your own brand too! I don’t hold it against Seiko, but it was it was unpleasant, and needless to say I didn’t stick around that store long or have any desire to go back.
Hmm, for some of us, a 42mm watch is the right size....all a question of proportion. Styles were very different in the mid-20th century too, small watches were regarded as refined, today they’re regarded as effeminate on a man.....
Love the Benrus! I also have one and quite like the history behind it. Love the channel, great source of information and inspiration. Keep up the great work TGV!
I absolutely cannot stand that the majority of websites don’t list the lug to lug measurements!!! That’s important stuff!!!
You just hit on a sore spot! This is so true for so many sites.
Yes. Let's go 1 step further. Watch brands that don't even advertise lug width on their website. You are forced to visit 3rd party reviews to find back which strap sizes to buy
Not only! They don't ever list tip to tip measurements, a very very important specification, IMHO .
Or bracelet lengths and measurements in centimeters.
Web sites that don’t show the clasp on bracelets or have multiple images of the watch
Omg so many times I've fallen in love with a watch and then lost all hope in it upon seeing the size of the bloody thing
It happened to me with the Bulova Lunar Pilot 🤷♀️🤷♀️😔
@@angelgarza4410 Lunar Pilot actually looks way smaller than on a paper.
Rolex's new tagline:
No you can't buy our watches. You can't even find them on our website.
My wife said I could have anything I wanted for my birthday , tried to buy steel GMT BLNR, after being insulted by 3 AD's because I am dumb enough to want to spend $9K at their establishment but apparently you cant buy a rolex unless you already bought a rolex, anyway F those guys ...
Rolex is playing the DeBeers game of withholding stock to artificially pump the market. Rolex are way overpriced for what they are. Seiko movements blow them away and are way cheaper. Grand Seiko is the most innovative analog automatic watch movement to exist at this point making Rolex obsolete and just a piece of antiquated jewellery.
I feel like Rolex exists mostly to be faked, if you get me.
@@GodzillaGoesGaga Ferrari does the same they inflate the price artificialy
Everyone: goes to Casio, Seiko, Citizen, ect instead
Rolex: huh, strange, our market share is drying up...
My peeve is people downplaying the size of every watch. If everything "wears small" then nothing does.
Good insight.
Pet peev: when someone says you dont need a watch thats what you have a phone for.
Millennials!! What do you expect from this sad generation. Lol
Phone batteries die faster then a watch. I trust a watch more with time.
Couldnt agree more.
A phone is disposable. A good watch you can wear a lifetime.
Exactly, I have a friend who made a comment to my other friend regarding his watch, "Watches are for fashion right?" From what I understand from his statement and the tone of his voice, that there's no need to wear one since phones exist. Needless to say, I lost respect after hearing that crap lol
My pet peeve is when the second hand dont line up with the second/minute indicator lines on quartz watches.
Deffo poor QC, totally agree!
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
Yeah. This is a major turn off on any watch.
HorrorMirror Drives me nuts as well! Conversely, there’s something soothing and meditative about watching that second hand meet its mark precisely. This is even-more-so-the-case when it’s a quartz watch.
Same here. I can't stand when the minute hand doesn't hit the marker when the second hand hits 12 o'clock either. Hacking seconds are pretty much a requirement for me in a mechanical.
CrimFerret This is actually a problem with nearly any mechanical watch. You really have to line up the minute hand perfectly when you hack it at 12. On GMTs like my BLNR using the quick set hour hand can actually change the alignment depending on how you originally adjusted the time. It can move the minute hand forwards when quick setting the hour forward and backwards if quick setting backwards. Of course only OCD folks like me notice or care.
The Daytona tends to line up perfectly out of all of the Rolex sports for some reason. Very easy to get it perfect.
My pet peeve is having to get a watch serviced and having to send it out into the world all on it's own, not knowing if it'll make it back.
Not to mention the amount of time that factory service can take. The price charged is already an issue a lot of the time, but how can the watchmakers justify a 6 month or even longer wait when they presumably have all the parts they'd need at their fingertips?
Go to a small watchmaker. Yes you don't have the warranty of the manufacture, but well, i needed to service two watches two years ago and the independant watchmaker did it in two weeks (not 4 month like omega or Zenith) for 80€ or something each one.
@@ald4104 I guess as long as it's not something so exotic that it would be hard for anyone but the factory to service, this sort of makes sense, especially if you never plan to sell the watch anyway. With Omega having a 5 year warranty, I'd probably consider just buying a fairly late model pre-owned with 4 or so years left and sell it when it got down to 6 months or so, wash and repeat. Never have to worry about servicing and what little I might lose would probably be less than the cost of a factory service.
I totally agree. I feel like warranties are next to worthless. I once chipped the glass on my watch. My AD sent it in to be replaced and it took 6 months. Frankly, I would have been better off having it done myself. My local watchmaker had the crystal on hand and would have done it that day.
At least when you get your Porsche serviced they provide you with a loan vehicle.
A Urban Gentry Video a day keeps the Watch-snob away. Always a good time, keep it up👍🏼
Allan B wait, TGV isn’t the watch snob?
TGV’s no snob. But I seriously doubt you’ll ever see an FW 91 on Hugo’s wrist.
Haha ^ watch snob exposed!
That is how a rant video should be done! Reasoned, and salient points without the dramatic wild gesticulations and F bombs. Subscribed!
Recently I had a battery in my Wenger replaced at Batteries &Bulbs +. I live in a small town in Florida, originally from Orlando, and there's not a lot of places that replace watch batteries here and they are closest. The first thing I noticed when talking to the guy was that he was wearing a Breitling B1. Very uncommon around here. I wound up having a good long conversation about watches and aviation with him and he didn't even charge me for the battery. I used to be in the pawn business my family has been in the jewelry business and I know a little bit about watches and was very impressed with his knowledge. I've known guys in the business that don't know as much as a guy at Batteries Plus. He also told me about a watch maker locally that I never knew about. An all around great experience.
I have had most of my watch batteries changed out at my local Interstate Battery retail store. Friendly people and reasonable prices and they will handle any watch with care. Walk in service as well.
Batteries Plus also has a lifetime replacement option. For about twice the price of a single battery change, you can get free batteries for life on that watch. I won’t choose that option for a Casio, but the next time my Hamilton quartz needs a battery, I’m going for the lifetime plan. I’m glad to hear you had such a good experience.
Dear TGV, thanks for the great mention. See you soon.
Team FORTIS
Proud owner of a handful of vintage True Lines and Eden Rocs here 🙂
Your intros have become so amazingly hilarious TGV!
T has the best intros in the business.
Wearing small and wearing well is different.
Plus a watch can wear small on onewrist but not the other.
I like the Oris Aquis, it is the smallest 43.5 I have ever had on my hand, but when a friend of mine tried it on it looked massive.
And we have roughly the same circumference wrists, but they are pretty different in shape.
Personal pet peeve is watch manufacturers whose MSRP is 3x the street price from an AD.
X6 I see alot haha
Invicta haha
First time I tried on a smaller vintage watch I have to say initially I was far from convinced at the size. But I kept with it and now I love wearing smaller watches in particular dress watches. My fav watch at the moment (as I've mentioned) is my vintage Ricoh watch. I find it incredible (and quite annoying) that Ricoh themselves make no mention on their corporate history website anything about watches, which is sad and as mentioned, quite a bit annoying! Great video as always sir 👍
Of all the notifications I get, the only ones I truly get excited at seeing are the ones saying The Urban Gentry has posted a new video. Thank you for all you do and for making me an avid lover of watches!
I must agree with number 10 completely. Living in New York City I've had my share of all of that nonsense and more. I no longer wear a watch when I go to an A.D. I notice it throws them off a bit as it leaves them without a way to pre judge your budget or your taste. I also have no problem walking right out the door if I'm ignored for more than a few minutes. Too many options in a city like this to deal with unacceptable behavior when I'm trying to give the store my money.
I’m delighted Hugo made it to Philly too!
#10 hit me right out of the box, because I remember a few years ago the battery had been knocked loose on my Timex Easy Reader (I'm assuming, I don't actually know what it is). My grandma had gotten it for me for Christmas a year or two earlier because I wanted a very simple analog watch for my crappy retail job so that I could check the time without being yelled at. I knew absolutely nothing about watches at that time, but I knew I didn't have the tools to get the case open and shut again to figure out what was wrong with my watch so I decided to go visit a local jeweler's after work one day. Turns out the only jeweler I know of is this really high-end boutique and primarily a Rolex dealership. The day of the week that I showed up they were actually open by appointment only but the guard let me in anyway. They let me, some 20-year-old kid, bum around in my Jewel Osco uniform, gawking at Yachtmasters while their Rolex tech fixed my banged-up $50 Timex. They gave me a whole new battery and a strap to replace the original one which was already falling apart because of how hard I used that watch.
great video! the entire watch industry owes you a debt of gratitude. quick story about #1. i was in a watch store on a cruise ship recently and the sales woman was showing me a tissot or a tag and she tells me " it has a swiss quartz movement. " so i ask if it was a Rhonda . and she says " no its a swiss quartz movement and started pushing the store credit card on me . needless to say she didn't make the sale.
Wristwatch check: Lorier Neptune II, Fortis on the winder. As you neared number 1, I found myself agreeing more and more! Thanks for another NEEDED video, TGV. Reminds me of the lyric to a great Don McLean tune: "they did not listen; they did not know how. Perhaps they'll listen now." We can only hope! Have a great weekend, sir!
Your film skills and comedic touches are really top tier, TGV. Please don't stop
Really top-notch production skills!
As one of those guys with a big wrist, and can not wear a 36 or smaller watch, it is exceedingly annoying when all the RUclips guys deride the big watches. Really need to remember there are a lot of us big wristed gents out here!
I totally understand, hence why I always say one must buy watches relative to ones scale.
Glad you agree and don't worry, I am doing a top ten oversized watches list soon.
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
Excellent video TGV, exquisitely on point. 100% with you on this.
Marc Riches He has a perfect view on the watchindustrie and us as enthusiasts and consumers
I just recently reignited my passion for watches. I started with a one month subscription to a watch service. Then I started watching videos online and realized I can myself create my own masterful superb customized collection. It was then with the help of yourself, and a few of your select RUclips colleagues I now in two months have 20 watches back into my personal collection! And more to come, I collect, I am not a flipper. I am pretty much a minimalist except for the few things I collect passionately. Hats, sneakers, art, books, and now once again watches. I want to thank you especially because you are a scholar and a gentleman, pure class and honesty in all your reviews. My wife is constantly laughing now because your voice, or Fredrico's, or a few others are always playing in the background. To qoute Jody I am doing research with the Gentry because I am looking for Just One More Watch! And my huge pet peeves are watch snobbery and brand haters. I judge each piece on it's own merits just like I do people. Hope to meet you one day sir and shake your hand. You are appreciated here in Brooklyn.
Hi TGV, Great video and especially loved the story about the Breguet watchmaker. I would expect no less from you. Enjoy your weekend. Regards, John
Hi, I am new to collecting watches. You spoke about Dan Henry and his history as a watch collector. I ended up purchasing a 1970 from his site. I noticed that the face rattles when I tap on it. Is that normal for a compressor watch or just any automatic watch in general?
A big pet peeve of mine goes against this top 10 and it’s knocking larger watches. Just because your 6” wrist can’t handle a 42mm Sea Master Pro doesn’t mean it’s a bad watch or deserving of ridicule. For every 41mm+ watch a small wrist can’t pull off there are 3 or more 36mm watches that an 8” would look ridiculous wearing. Focus more on craftsmanship and less on diameter
Agree wholeheartedly
Well said.
I was thinking exactly the same thing until what he said at the end, which reminded me another of his videos where he also said it: that one should wear a watch according to ones wrist size. For him, a 42mm would look hugemongous. He does comes out as if he were angree at big sizes without thinking of big people, and as far as I can remember he hasn't make the example viceversa, that huge guys shouldn't wear little tiny watches. I just can't imagine The Mountain actor from Games of Thrones wearing a 36mm datejust. For me, at 5'10", I draw my limits at 36mm and 42mm, though my Panerai I think is 44mm but due to the design I guess, it doesn't feel as big. TGV, if you are reading this, you say you are skinny but how tall are you? I cannot believe that watch you were wearing is 34mm, it looks like a ~40mm on you. Good vid and funny as always.
100% with you on faux patina.
Much prefer it to be fresh as brand new. The whole point of patina is that it tells a story. You cant tell a story straight out the factory!
Actually, I like the dash of color it gives to the Omega Railmaster and Seamaster Coaxial Master. When I first saw it, I didn't realize it was supposed to be patina, it's done so dark!
Paying for faux patina is like spending premium money for clothing damaged ("distressed") at the factory. Used to be you paid less for seconds, not more.
"Celebrity does not impress me"
Preach!
Well Done TGV. Things I've thought about in passing but never all together at once. You are the Man.
My pet peeves are...
-Quartz bashing
-auto bashing
-42mm watch size bashing (that isn’t remotely large for people 6ft+)
-38mm watch bashing (that isn’t remotely small for people 6ft-)
Honestly if you like it and it either
A.) doesn’t overhang your wrist or
B.) isn’t sub 30mm
I’ve got no complaints
I love your comments. You're spot on. I actually cheered when you mentioned faux patina. That's a trend that needs to go away. Not only does it look silly, but it obscures some of the potential luminosity of that you'll need to read the time in the dark. Another trend that seems to be growing is the 'power reserve" indicator. Those hideous asymmetric gashes across the face of an otherwise nice dial. It's like putting a huge gash across the hood of you new car in the name of "style" and expecting people to admire you for it.
Now, when is Hugo going to do a solo watch video? We love your videos, but maybe Hugo could fill in on your days off.
Agree with your first point sir... but, erm, I actually quite like power reserve indicators
Hugo is such a snob! How can you bear him TGV?! You'd think he'd be more humble having those little arms. :)
I loved this video! I agree with all ten!! One thing that drives me nuts is when some people do not adjust the bracelet at all!! Like the watch is about to fall off over the hand. Ridiculous!!
The main thing that irks me in the watch enthusiast scene is the mobs of snobs!! Watch snobbery is so crazy and most of the snobby people I have met will always swear they aren't snobs while looking down their nose at you.
Thats what I appreciate about Urban Gentry. Never any snobbery and real critique of the products instead of only focusing on brand name. No brand is safe from the truth. Every watch has its place no matter how good or bad because one mans trash may be the next mans treasure.
TGV ....your most informative and honest commentary regarding the state of the watch industry to date. Keep up the good fight !
Pet peeve #11 - JDM and other geographically-restricted watch releases!
I am getting tired of some of the other watch channels focusing on creating contents & VLOG defaming you TGV & your channel. If it was me, I would be having my in house legal counsel sending them out 'Cease & Desist" letters without any further delay. Always #KeepMovingForward like the hands on the wrist watch your wearing.
Haha, I have never ever seen one of these videos, I would never waste my time on it, I just focus on my own passions and keep it moving like you so rightly say.
Let them keep talking, it actually helps me. As old Winnie said “You will never reach your destination if you stop and throw stones at every dog that barks.”
Onwards and upwards my friend!
Thank you sir!
Best regards,
TGV
The Urban Gentry thanks 🙏 TGV your always a class act & keep it gentry...I have lost your email address, you have removed it off your channel since the WB merger so just dropped you a note on your website under my real name. I have a very good opportunity for you in NYC this month that maybe of great interest that I was going to send you a note on, I have left my details as I think this would make some excellent content with a watch maker visiting who I can introduce you to that no one else will have access & I know you will produce a first class interview with as I have been watching your channel for so many years & also as you know I am one of your supporters in the watch community. So anything to show the haters up, I am alway happy to make it a project...I hope to hear from you very soon Kind Regards James.
You mentioned the devaluing of the speedmaster gravitas, I’m completely with you there. I don’t even think of SMs anymore all my fantasizing about space watches is the Bulova accutron Astronaut, I really need to just settle on one before they get expensive. PS. PLEASE do not do a video on the Astronaut, the prices will double over night at least let me buy mine first!
My biggest pet pev is actually people who know nothing about wristwatches and buy them (Rolex above all) just to show off. Unfortunately, they make the market.
Also, I totally agree with you, especially with the oversize dress watch trend. I do value brands like Longines that keep on making them in traditional sizes.
Omega Speedmaster is diluting the brand. There are some many Speedmaster LE or SE that I can not even keep track.
You buy all of them? I bought the 1969 145022 and 1967 145012. Both are very nice. Do I care about the LE, does it dilute my 321 ? Not to me...
agreed it's got ridiculous at this point
Great points. Several that stood out were - bracelet quality on less expensive microbrands exceeding more known, prestigious brands, and website and salesperson expectations. Excellent vid.
My pet peeve is brand not listing base movement information on the website. Just tell us if it’s ETA 2824, Sellita SW500, or whatever
Or a cheap DGxxxx Tianjing ^^
Another fine and informative watch enthusiast's video. My gripe is a variation of #9 - there are too many dive watch designs being promoted. I fear the dive watch design concept will soon run out of gas. Just how many different dive watch designs can one create before you are either 1) overwhelmed with so many choices, or 2) the market gets saturated and the bubble bursts and dive watches get dumped because no one is buying them. Rant over.
My pet peeve: Waitlists!
For the Rolex Skydweller blue dial, I was quoted a 10 year wait!
Whaaaaat?!?! That is insane, SHM.
Thank you for sharing that,
Best regards,
TGV
Muaz Ahmed “a 10 year wait list” is Rolex AD speak for FO! I’ll take it a step further, THERE ARE NO WAIT LISTS except for high spending regular customers, celebrities, politicians and people with great influence (like your local dick news anchor) #justsayin
@@bonzerrrrr lol, yeah I sort of figured that's what they were trying to say. I figure they have a reserve of watches in the back not on display for a - premium repeat customer...
Great informative video. Love your videos, not stop making them. You got me into the watch game.
Ten great points about the current watch world. I can't stand websites with an absurd lack of information about the products they're selling.
Say hi to Hugo for me, and I'll be looking forward to the next one.
Regards,
Koen
Hi Koen ‘88. I couldn’t agree with you more. What is so difficult about providing the basic information consumers need to make informed decisions as to whether or not to purchase a particular watch. Websites that don’t provide this info totally baffle me. Your comment is spot on!
I am a relatively new Subscriber. Been collecting watches for decades. You are just so, as new generation
wording would put it: "On Point!" with this presentation. Especially your comments regarding "celebrities & the Breguet Function".
Respect Sir! In my former life I did some business with a few "celebs" & more importantly, the "Nouveau Riche".
Without being critical of people who have pulled themselves up & created serious wealth, they are also not to be
fawned upon in comparison to those that are the true heart of an elementalcreation. That gentleman that worked as the Breguet watchmaker would be morewelcome in most Swiss homes, hotels, functions etc. than any of yesterdays famous
celebs.
Then the magazine situation. The very same thing has happened to serious Boating magazines, they used to be a guide
for the buyer or the student. Now they are blatant propaganda, & not particularly
talented either.
Thank You for another great presentation…
I like faux patina but of course it's much more preferable to have the real thing.
My pet peeve is being told i have enough watches by my significant other.
Spot on, especially website info absence. Some brands show quite a bit of detail, such as Seiko (they even mention expected accuracy). A lot of Swiss made watches say nothing! I’ve got no idea if a particular Swiss movement is decent or not (I’m not an expert).
As for advertising, I’ve noticed DW getting on board the Facebook movement via teenagers and young adults. It’ll be only time until these young people go out and buy DWs and avoid real name brand watch manufacturers. Watch manufacturers need to get into Facebook in a bigger way. Word of mouth helps too no doubt.
Agree with some sales reps at boutiques/stores. One tried to lure me to a brand named Raymond Weil (apparently they’re well known) yet I have little confidence in the brand due to their lack of detail on their website. She was trying to put down my idea of Seiko, or even other well known Swiss brands they weren’t selling.
Great video. Well done. 👍
I dont think Brick & Mortar will die...
I think it will shift from a sales point to a location where you can “experience the brand”.
Great Video, I particularly agree about the lack of e commerce expertise and advertising. When I showed my daughter her Automatic watch and explained it will never need batteries and works from the motion of your wrist she was pleasantly shocked and said; "How Cool, really!" The Watch companies are basically lazy and aren't accessing a possible market.
Golly gumdrops, Hugo makes all other celebrities look common as muck.
Agreed. I agree with all of your comments. I have no other rants on the watch industry than what you have mentioned and I have no complaints about the 3 other watch enthusiast channels I watch on RUclips. They all provide me with excellent information. I don't read the watch magazines so I don't have any idea who those pundits are who are the shills for the industry. So I am looking forward to the follow-up video. Thank, TGV.
#10 is spot on. Once I entered an official omega store to ask for the speedy reduced maintenance information. The staff were plain rude and wouldn't want to attend to my inquiries, on the prejudice that I wasn't a legitimate customer that would drop money on the spot.
I'd write an email to the store complaining and cc it to omega head office
You are simply the benchmark , when it comes to watch reviewing . As the son of a master watchmaker , I can only profess respect and admiration for you . Blessings , TGV .
Excellent product... thanks for taking the time to make it. And to think, it’s all for free.
I deeply appreciate that John.
Thank you sir.
Onwards and upwards!
Best regards,
TGV
Excellent video TGV. My biggest pet hate is the amount spent on poor advertising and celebs, which just inflates the price of the watches.
18mm nato straps on a 19mm lug width watch, or even worse 19mm nato straps on a 20mm lug width watch, I'M LOOKING AT YOU TUDOR
THATS A THING? LOL
Bond, James Bond, innit. :D
Man, I laughed so much during your intro. I have no idea how you designed the entire episode with the small T Rex. Please, invite him again. Thanks
IWC is a perfect example of getting people into watches. Just saw alot of people talking/asking about the IWC Lewis Hamilton was wearing. IWC responded in seconds which is just amazing.
As a marketing major, seeing watch brands not promote their products to the younger crowd really peeves me. So tired of cheap and shady brands taking all of the young demographic market share. It wouldn't be difficult either if they revamped their online presence and actually caught up to the 21st century. Lovely video!
TGV: "or they where born with DuckTales money"
ME: Dontdoitdontdoitdont.... "Life is like a hurricane here in DUCK BURG!"
The lack of watch service in store, all seem to want to send it away for a minimum of four weeks, then you find yourself chasing the watch up, and no one seems to care when I'll get it back.
Number 3 really hits home for me. Better bracelets and hacking! Some high-end model still lack hacking and it really bothers me!
Absolutely agree on brand websites. Great history you can’t find. Poor site performance across multiple devices. Sometimes prices aren’t listed. One watch image, but not multiple images or video rotations. Special editions advertised on Instagram but not easy to find on the site. Sometimes a complete disconnect between Instagram and the site, as if they are different companies. Just yesterday, I saw a special edition on Instagram that only showed the watch case back. Then, when I finally found the watch on their site, they only showed the front!
Great video. Happy to see Hugo. My complaint on size is the oppozite, sick and tired when a 42mm watches come out people complainig its not 36mm. Keep up the good work.
Exactly. I have 8 and a half inch wrists, and I'm rather not interested in anything under 41mm.
I can certainly relate to the "AD experience" issue. A while ago on a whim I went in to a boutique of a well known Swiss brand (that shall remain nameless) on Regent St. in London. From the moment I set foot through the door I had the distinct impression that the sales staff immediately decided that I was in some way unworthy to wear their watches and was ignored for the duration of my stay in the building. Went straight to the nearby Omega boutique where I was treated courteously and professionally by a knowledgeable member of staff who was obviously a fellow enthusiast. I now know where my loyalty lays, and where money will be spent.
Old school TGV and an awesome intro - thank you!
The rationale behind pin and collar bracelets isn't to cut costs but to produce a bracelet that is flexible but doesn't rattle so much.
Pet peeve about watch enthusiasts: a collection that has no surprises, nothing but the usual icons (Rolex Sub, Omega Speedmaster, etc). Collect what you love, sure, but dare to be different!
My peeve is Swatch group brands taking affordable 4hz movements like the ETA2804 out of the cheaper watches and putting them in more expensive watches. That may be a very specific peeve, but a lot of people choose entry level Swiss watches over Japanese watches because they like the smooth 4hz sweeping hands that Japanese companies just don't offer for less than a thousand dollars. Now the Swiss don't either.
Watches that don't come to Australia. You can't even buy an SKX here. Jewelers here charge $450 for Seiko 5's.
Import my dear friend. :)
(That's the only way I could get my watch)
@@mdem5059 Same Orient Triton and Seiko SARK007. Paid less for the Triton than a Seiko 5 here. Just sux having to buy through the grey market and not being able to try a watch on.
Ouch!
@Michael L Yes I know what you are saying and that is fine for a $200 watch but when it's a $2000 watch it would be nice to try it on and have a factory warranty.
Thank you! I am so over trying to find smaller watches for our male clients! It's ridiculous the size of watches right now.
Some of the modern watches can be used as on-wrist drinks trays. Ridiculous.
G'day TGV!
New fan from Aus. Great quality channel! Will you ever make a video about pocket watches?
Thanks 👍🏻
Tristano the pin and collar pins are sometimes used for purpose. Screws tend to back up easier the pin and collar pins are more secured and usually GS uses them on their divers and screws on dress watches.
@Christopher Wood -MDH- true
Wow! Really enjoyed this rant. I didn't agree with everything that you said, but that's what made it so interesting. I really felt like saying "but what about...." on more than one occasion.
My pet peeves.... Microbrands and crowdfunding.
Tristano, I agree with most of what you said. However, I’ve had much better experiences in the local watch boutiques and one of the upscale jewelers. I’ve visited Hyde Park jewelers In the Cherry Creek mall here in Denver on a few occasions to look at the watches, most of which, I’ll never be able to afford. One salesman there, Zach, is it definite watch guy, even owns an SKX. He’s always willing to chat with me and show me the various watches. I highly recommend him.
As to the current trend of larger watches, after owning my vintage omega, at 32.5 mm, I’ve come to like much smaller dress watches myself. However, I feel that these larger dress watches are here to stay. It appears to be that they are the new normal.🤮
Thanks again for another highly informative video. I’m glad you’re still free to say what you think as I enjoy hearing your opinions whether I agree with them or not.👍
I do like that shirt your wearing TGV .A touch of class with the pilot style flaps .
What make is it ?
I went to NYC for my first non business trip so I had time to go to Times Square and actually see some of the brands in person and it was nice to be able to look at them. I don’t own a Tissot and now having looked at them I could see myself picking one up. Also went into the Citizen and Swatch stores, it was really fun. On an incredibly busy day the only store with any and I mean any traffic was Swatch.
I also walked down 5th Ave going to Central Park and passed a watch boutique. They had all the high end watches I’ve heard about VC, Patek, etc but no way was I going to go inside. I just admired the window displays.
Unfortunately unless it’s at the luxury price point I don’t think watch stores make a lot of sense. Well they would if they were more available, I’d love to go into a Seiko or Hamilton store and so forth and see what’s new. The downside to that is I’m never going to pay full price or the 20% off that an AD is going to be able to sell it to you for. Not when grey market will sell it for 50% off.
I have 8 and a half inch wrists and I really can't go for smaller watches... Though my exception to this is tank style watches. I seem to be relatively happy with smaller tank watches, with their elegance and sophistication. Though you have convinced me that 41 is going to work for me...
I have watches almost as large. Sport and tool watches pretty much have to be at least 42mm for me. I'm good with dress watches between 38-40ish. I mean I could probably wear that Lange fine, but I see his point.
Your point on the special editions has been something that's been bothering me for quit a while. There is a watch brand that I have noticed apart from the one you mentioned, that always seems to have limited or a special edition around the corner......honestly?
Great video as always TGV also please let there be a special appearance by Tiddly Winks the Triceratops 😂😂😂😂 Onwards and Upwards!
Companies not wanting me to buy their products such as Rolex/Tudor, Mercedes and Gilette.
I agree completely on your point regarding that the old-timer brands aren't reaching out to the younger audience enough. However, I can understand why they aren't at the same time. Because of self-proclaim "influencers", the reason why Daniel Wellington, MVMT, etc. are able to reach out to so many people is that primarily their watches are really cheap to make. The cost for 1 watch is probably $20-50 (including shipping, hiring of types of machinery, etc) and they are selling it at $200-300, therefore, allowing them to give out watches like they are Oprah. The older brands are not able to do that, even if they are able or willing these self-proclaim "influencers" will try to rip them off. With so many recent expose cases of purchased followers, fake reviews, false exposures, etc. the old-timer should not risk getting involved in those problems. Eventually, they will end up "tarnishing" their own brand instead of reaching out to younger generations.
In my opinion, what they should do instead is launch cheaper alternative models. They don't have to cost $11,000, or $4,900 it can just be an AP subsidiary selling at $1000-2000, like what Rado, Tissot, Oris, Seiko, Frederique Constant are doing instead. They have higher-end models (I know people will argue that they aren't that high-end, but at least they are bringing younger generation interest towards watches) and they have their lower-end models. People who first enter into the world of watches will appreciate that they are able to get a decent watch for a decent price.
A real-life example I can give for companies out there would be how I got a couple of my friends into watches, by showing them that the price of a DW in my country is around $200-300 and I manage to get a deal for a Seiko Cocktail Presage at $400. Immediately, they realize how overpriced are DWs or Fossil watches (fashion watches in general). It takes a comparison to tell people that "hey, don't fall into the trap of fashion watches. There is a bigger world of watches out there, check out my brand". This should be what old-timer should be headed towards. They don't have to necessary charge a large amount of money, just a decent amount of money will definitely help bring interest to the community.
I can only imagine how an invicta "russian diver" would look on a t-rex
Very good video
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Great video! On the channels the "old fashioned" watch brands choose, I think it's simply because they have another target audience, a target audience that prefers different media. And maybe these old fashioned brands even purposely choose to keep their brands off mainstream social media, to enhance the feel of being scarce, luxury and special. Thats why I do think Seiko, Timex etcetera should invest in this social media game, because they are actually attainable for a younger demographic. Interesting topic though! Would love to hear more about this.
Great video as always tgv! I’m curious have you ever owned or reviewed a white dial field watch? I am eyeing a Hamilton khaki white dial but am unsure. Thoughts? Much love from the Midwest!
Great question. Truth is, no! I did cover white dial but never field. As for the Hammy, that would be my first choice too.
I would not be unsure my friend, they are kings of that genre, go for it and enjoy!
Life is too short my friend, thank you Ryan,
Best regards,
TGV
I just purchased a white dial “orient flight”. It is the type “b” flieger style, i put a nato khaki colored strap and it feels very much like a field watch for about $80. I too will someday get a hammy khaki as i’ve always wanted a hamilton watch.
My pet peeves:
-The endless march towards oversized watches to the point that the average, non-obese, non-roid fuelled body builder, type man has a watch that is almost as wide as his wrist. This is not comfortable nor classy, and I believe one day it is going to be viewed as oversized clothing in the 90s is viewed today: excessive and silly. I would not want to invest serious money into a very expensive watch with the justification that it is "forever", only to find out in a few years time that it is out of fashion.
-In house movements which can only be serviced in a place like Switzerland at exhorbidant cost and long waits.
-Squared off tips on the hands of Rolex DJ. I prefer pointed, so I know what I am pointing at.
-A lack of color options from Rolex.
-A complete lack of Rolexes.
-A complete distain for new technology from the high end market. Does every very expensive watch have to have a mechanical movement?
-Prices on watches (most over $2000) which cannot possibly justify the cost except for vague intangibles having nothing to do with quality or performance. That also includes such a common metal such as steel.
#5 thank you.ive always appreciated your honesty when it comes to a watch review.its helped me make an educated decision when choosing a watch rather than being caught up with the hype.great insight.
Good work fella.
Beautiful video as always TGV!! I am so happy that you have decided to keep the hip hop instrumental that you use in this and many other videos! It’s just so fitting! Such an eloquent and beautiful beat for the greatest watch channel on RUclips! Hugo is always great!
Thank you so much Solomon, that means a great deal to me, I will pass alone your best wishes to Hugo too.
Onwards and upwards!
Best regards,
TGV
The Urban Gentry Onwards and Upwards fellow Gent! Been a follower since the very early days! I love the progress you channel has made over the years! Inspiring! Cheers brother!
11:00 There's no proper Journalism in any industry anymore.
Great video, as always. My biggest peeve, people who can only use foul, filthy language when discussing watches. They offend me and I certainly don’t want my grandchildren to overhear their dirty language. There is just no need nor justification for that.
Do you think the Datejust 41 is too big to be a future classic?
It depends, if you have gargantuan wrist, then deffo no.
But truthfully, it is still and always will be a DJ.
A DJ is classic no matter what the size. IMO 41 is too big, well for me certainly.
Thank you sir, love your oats btw, eat them all the time.
Best regards,
TGV
I have large wrists and that would fit me just fine. I think it will hold it's value just fine, but it would appeal to a lot more people at 39mm.
I love this! I honestly don't like limited edition at all. Everyone should have the same opportunities. Rather than having to purchase it later at 3x the cost. I would love to see a video on your favorite memories with some of your favorite watches.
hello there
what's the best Diver for under 200€? :)
should be automatic and not from Seiko nor Orient as i don't want to get two watches from the same brand yet
thank you
Deffo covered that to death, have a loo at the archives, tons to chose from, enjoy the hunt!
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
Phoibos or Spinnaker I guess. Honestly you’re ignoring the best options
thank all of you so much
Aiden Bradley KWOK - I agree, the NY004 and NY008 Divers are very good Divers, and excellent value for money.
@Aiden Bradley KWOK Good luck finding one, though.
Completely agree with you TGV. I feel like a lot of brands don't disclose all the information of the watches, like the movement, dimensions, etc. Another thing is that they don't listen in my opinion to the consumer and rather make a profit of the scarcity of their watches. The Patek Philippe Nautilus in steel is one that comes to mind.
What happens when faux patina patinas?
It turns white.
Great video. I would say that I’ve been fortunate to have some great experiences with certain watch dealers recently. Went to two Tourneau storefronts in Manhattan last week and had a great conversation with the dealers there about Rolexes and was treated very well even though I was sporting a very affordable and sporty Citizen eco drive. I did go to the Seiko store next door afterwards and was a bit shocked though when I asked if they had any Seiko 5 models, and the store clerk scoffed at why I would even be interested in such a basic watch. To say that about your own brand too! I don’t hold it against Seiko, but it was it was unpleasant, and needless to say I didn’t stick around that store long or have any desire to go back.
Hmm, for some of us, a 42mm watch is the right size....all a question of proportion. Styles were very different in the mid-20th century too, small watches were regarded as refined, today they’re regarded as effeminate on a man.....
Love the Benrus! I also have one and quite like the history behind it. Love the channel, great source of information and inspiration. Keep up the great work TGV!