Star Trek: Picard Season 2, Episode 10 - re:View
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Rick and Morty talk about Star Trek: Picard's emotional finale and embarrassing conclusion. What does it all means? How does they all get to the end of the show while having all the feels and crying butterfly tears? Finally! Patrick Stewart had his say in the direction of Star Trek. He got to act and have all the character moments he always wanted! The result: A turd the size of the moon fell on my face. He rubbed his old shit in my mouth and told me that Picard's mother hanging herself was this moment in his past that made his character not have all the feels and cry butterfly tears all these years later. WOW! What a deep, complex emotional story! I farted butterfly farts! I had to watch the whole season while wearing diapers because I was shitting blood.
Will Wheaton unironically acting like a member of the Nerd Crew is the saddest part of all this
There's a sadness behind that smile.
@@pspolygons That's the silver lining.
The funniest part is they won't even let him on any of the shows so he's just debasing himself like a good lapdog for no reason.
Its the same sadness a snake oil salesman feels after shilling some of his watered down grog
@@SeekerLancer There's one reason I can think of: $
They didn't need to inject this stilted tragic backstory to explain Picard's difficulty with romantic relationships. He's in the military, a workaholic, and puts duty over his feelings and beliefs. It's already there.
it's only there if you see Picard as a human person with human motivations and human reactions to events in his life, and not as a marketable symbol for a dying geek culture
I remember one episode he had a girlfriend that was a subordinate, which apparently starfleet allowed, and he had to send her on a mission that there was a high probability of death. The episode teased that she actually died, but turned out she survived. Afterwards they agreed it would be appropriate if she transferred to another ship, which pretty much meant the relationship was over.
But...but... Next Generation didn't spell it out, it was all there in subtext, surely patronisingly explaining it like we're idiots is better?!?
Well said
It's already there AND thoroughly explored throughout the entire series! I mean, just... *gestures broadly at Beverly Crusher* why do the writers think they never hooked up during the show (except for the final episode in the future, where they're divorced because Picard is... a workaholic military guy)?
What's frustrating is the 'tragic backstory' could have worked out, but not as some handwavey excuse. Just, as a part of his life. Not as some weird thing talking to an alien he has no history with, but as a heart-to-heart with Q, two old men near the end of their lives, letting the barriers down kind of thing, with Picard telling him things he's never told anyone since Q is one of the few people he knows that isn't some subordinate or military co-worker. This could have worked! We could have had emotional payoff! Felt feelings! DAMMIT!
These videos will be remembered longer than Star Trek Picard itself.
Aaaaaaaaaamen.
Who?
Never heard of her
People in 20 years: Man I love those old videos where Mike and Rich talked about nothing for an hour
@@HQofrandom lol
It's not like Picard could be a stoic, educated and driven man who feels his duties as a captain to his crew and humanity are more important than having a fulfilling personal life. No he has mommy issues. Brilliant writing!
Or like, what if he’s ace? Does it matter? No :p
Just seems weird they’re so focused on his internal life, when it’s a Star Trek show
@@Nobody-hc2bo They're not just focused on his internal life, they're specifically keying on the fact that as mentioned above that he's not just a professional but there HAS to be something wrong with him and even though in the show you see his mother a few times and I believe a pic of her as an old lady (this and the fact that they ignore his brothers existence is proof they never watched the show) she apparently drank bleach when he was 9 and he never dealt with that so he never had any long lasting relationships is the point of this whole season.......I think? Lets ignore the fact that he travels the stars, gets into shenanigans every few days( sometimes the same day more than once), has an omniscient being messing with him every couple weeks and his life has the potential to be in peril on any given day (he's been gravely wounded a fair amount) and he may not want to put that burden on a partner becuase it's a lot. Nah, "Picard broke in the brain, him sadman, him need lady to feel good becuase he miss lady mom and him feel bad". Also......they already dealt with this plot thread of Picard needing to let loose and open up some in TNG.
Modern TV writers do not like stoicism. They don't understand it.
If a character is professional and stoic And (God forbid!) heroic! Then they must be damaged in some way. Or repressed in some way. Because the writers don't understand or believe that people can actually have or aspire to have, these characteristics.
I direct you to the game 'Halo' Master Chief
character.
And the abomination that is the TV show 'Halo' 'Mister Chef' character.
It's sad... I used to like my fictional heroes. Turns out that they weren't heroic at all, just broken.
@@KingBarnaDuke In modern writing EVERY. SINGLE. CHARACTER. MUST. BE. CONFLICTED. AND/OR. TORTURED. IT MUST BE THAT WAY OR HOW CAN THE AUDIENCE BE ENTERTAINED (ALSO THE WRITERS ARE HACKS AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO WRITE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT VERY PLAYED OUT CHARACTER ARCHETYPE)
Remember when Homer finds his mommy after she was on the run for years, and at the end of the episode he's sitting on his car looking at the stars? That was so much more moving than anything in this dog dropping, and it's a comedic cartoon.
I like the moments where Whil Wheaton’s mask of upbeat positivity slips and you can see his soul leave his body. Fascinating
@@cartoonking1789 damnit you beat me to it
@@cartoonking1789 He sold it, along with his dignity.
@@cartoonking1789 Okay, so then it's his memory of his next line leaving his golem.
I love will Wheaton comments
Its funny considering he had stopped making his board game show because the channel had sold out to corporate basically, I guess he figured afterward that having integrity doesn't pay.
The fact that the writers think Picard needs a traumatic experience for the fact that he always kept people at a professional distance tells you they don't understand professionalism.
For the love of christ, they had someone yelling "BOOM" and "CRASH!!" on set when the actors were supposed to react to the ship being damaged. It's childish and lazy and doesn't look good and feels indicative of how production in general on these shows is.
@@SubsonicDracula Uh, they had someone yelling "BOOM" and "CRASH!!" on the old shows. Look at the behind-the-scenes of TNG, DS9, or VOY.
*He's still alive and his life...is continuing*
it also tells that they have no idea about trauma. Also TNG did this "distance"-story in "all good things" already. But when Picard joined the Poker game at the end of "all good things", I actually felt something. It was an earned emotional scene after years of character development.
@@aarondavis8943 I actually wondered if this line tells us more about Stewart than ST or Picard. I mean, I really admire Stewart and wish him all the best and a very long life, but maybe they should just let Picard die and get Stewart a drink and a ticket to Florida. He earned it... We...earned it by now.
It's truly heartwarming watching these two elderly women talk about a show they absolutely love.
ROFLMAO
Lol!
They're HOT 😍
Have you got their number?
😂😂
What are you talking about, I saw two young, attractive women...
Patrick Stewart essentially reading Mike's monologue in the actual show is the hardest I've laughed all year.
That was nuts. I adored Rich’s reaction shots too.
“Are they gonna kiss??”
Upload videos again you fraud
where can i see mike's monologue?
@@dontnormally previous video
@The Rotten💯 do it
I love how this entire plot hinges on a Picard ancestor that CURED THE ENTIRE WORLD that he kind of forgot about. You know, the guy super into family trees and history and all that.
That and Rios's girlfriend's son who suddenly turned out to be important in the last five minutes
And of course its a chick, because in 2022 every important character is female.
@@dasparado Does that matter?
@@duckywinks Nothing matters, Jeff. Not anymore.
then they'll just use the "time travel" or whatever, cop out
"We were dumped" might be the most insightful line Rich has ever said.
That statement illuminated the source of my pain, and I'm sure that will now help me heal.
Dumped on, a shizer moment.
It struck me profoundly.
Another thing that struck me profoundly, a long time ago, was something that Craig Ferguson said back in his days on the Late Late Show. I paraphrase him, "I've chosen to not get upset about things that weren't meant for me" (he was speaking about Twilight at the time.)
I can now accept that Star Trek Picard was not meant for me, and I think I can move on.
Dumped in middle age.
Somewhere, Fleetwood Mac’s Landslide is playing in the background.
Bingo. Perfectly stated.
Mike's slide into madness is beautiful. His pain is like a fine wine. All the years of Star Trek expertise turned into device to torture him.
It's truly spectacular 😂 Star Wars crashed and burned with The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker.. but Star Trek is like a never ending forest fire.. it is burning away everything about the old Trek..
it's all about normalising mental illness
"There are four lights"
@@PunkRJH90 Shaka, when the walls fell.
I cracked long ago and it's just cathartic to see someone else go through it.
Jay cracking up when Picard starts talking exactly the way Mike did in the previous episode just sums it all up.
@@BillySotherden 35:24
Rich peeking over at Mike through stifled laughter 😂
"My heart felt like it was going in so many different directions..."
That is called a heart attack, Rich.
How dare you put that evil on the Birthday Boy!
There's actually a way to salvage the whole thing in the first episode of Season 3. John de Lancie shows up in the first five minutes in a party hat with a mariachi band in tow, calls Picard a gullible old fool and reveals the events of the last two seasons to have been an elaborate prank at his expense.
11 Months Later Edit - Terry Matalas, did you.......see this? You beautiful, beautiful maniac.
"I had you actually believing that you were an android!" - Q
All because he was watching re-runs of Punk'd and Jackass; And decided he'd try his hand at it. Being an omnipotent trickster and all.
This made my day! Thanks!
@@Michael_ORourke I'd forgotten he was an Android this whole time!!!!
@@internetdumbass i think the writers did too
This video is the manifestation of the last stage of grief: Acceptance.
Mike and Rich have finally succumbed to the madness
Succumbed to it, or maybe finally escaped it? They no longer have to pretend (to themselves or anyone else) that they have any reason to watch, or that they have any connection with this show. They have found acceptance and it has set them free.
If the madness truly sinks in and takes root, I think it's time for another entry in _Unaussprechlichen Kulten_.
Perhaps this was the plan all along. The entire arc and thesis of the show.
Resistance is futile, and we have all been assimilated.
On the other hand, based on his extremely uncomfortable facial expressions I would say that Wil Wheaton is still at stage one.
To your point about the "star trek lingo" where everyone spoke with military jargon and there wasn't any romanticized flowery conversations: they very rarely allowed the characters to break out of their official roles and when they did, it showed a lot of their character but it was always with restraint. I can think of like, two times that Picard really opened up; one time when talking to Worf about customs and culture, and the time he broke down in tears in front of his brother. Those moments stood out because it was an exception, not the norm. This new show is just ALL of that constantly. It's like eating a cake made entirely of frosting.
Can you review Tobe Hooper's "Lifeforce"? SHOUT factory just released the U.S. cut and director's cut in 4k. Now's the time!
That image is very fitting.
That's because Gene Roddenberry had a vision too vast for most to understand. Normies think Star Trek is lame science crap, people with a surface level understanding think it's what Akiva foolsgoldman is writing. People like Rich, Mike, myself, and hopefully the majority of people in these comments, know that it's basically a huge series of expeditions, diplomacy, discovery, and a whole lot of navy jargon.
The episode where Picard was taking Wesley to Earth for his first day at Starfleet Academy. The shuttle crashed and Picard was injured, eventually breaking down over all the wonders and experiences Wesley will find there and in his future. It was a beautiful moment where he espouses hope and happiness at his weakest which counters his usual stuffy authoritative self.
There are other examples here and there. One time he dated a junior officer and showed her his flute, there was an episode where he gets telepathically linked to Beverly... But yeah, Picard is a man who went on vacation to Risa and got annoyed at all the sexual advances.
"He's still alive, and his life is continuing." Now THERE'S a compelling motivation to trigger off a riveting narrative!
You've said it all and there it is.
Star Trek: Picard: I'm Not Dead Yet, God Damn It
Same rationale for Patrick Stewart to do the show, interestingly enough
I blame Patrick Stewart for a lot of the crap in this show. He clearly doesn't like that he's old. Wants to keep kissing hot chicks and put his consciousness in a robot body that will live on.
it's not even true, he's dead and the show is about a robot
Some people climb mount everest, some people save silverback gorillas fron extinction, but I, I watched 10 episodes of Star Trek Picard season 2 and survived to tell the tale.
I would rater fight a silverback on the mount everest. That would hurt less...
@@vertigo4236 actually sounds like a fun day out. Get ice-cream after
@@vertigo4236 sounds like the the better pitch to make me watch any planet of the apes movies
Was it worth it?
I want that on a T-shirt. My *'I survived, and now I continue living" Picard tank top* is beginning to fray.
The finale we’ve all been waiting for…and I don’t mean Picard
No one's ever really gone... boldly
Oh, I don't know, we've definitely been waiting for Picard to be over.
Speak for yourself. I wish the series goes on forever for they keep begrudgingly reviewing it.
homie i've been waiting for picard to end since it piloted
Whattup Craig!
It was clear from simply watching and enjoying TNG that the reason Picard never “held onto” a partner was because he was devoted to being the best captain he could and because he was just a private, reserved person, because you know, those people do exist. Everything doesn’t have to be due to some dark, soul-devouring secret.
The guy lost a ton of people in his life. It’s his job. It’s totally bizarre what they did with this series.
Well, Riker took a lifetime to finally marry his long-lasting love, and to take assignment as a ship's captain, no matter it wasn't the Enterprise. According to those hacks, Riker has a more disturbing and darker secret than Picard. And all those shallow relationships he had? Oh goodness!!!
@@tylerloving7132 It's not bizarre at all. They don't want this series to be Star Trek because Star Trek as it was is unappealing to general audiences. or so they think. Picard can't just be a man who didn't ever let his personal feelings interfere with his job because he felt it was best for himself and his crew. No, it's cause he was sad about his mom killing himself.
@@ManOutofTime913 yes, absolutely. The writers are insulting the audience, they see technobabble and think 'audiences are too stupid to understand, we need to turn this into a bland soap opera with flashy special effects'. The one big thing you should never do to your audience is insult their intelligence.
@@lloroshastar6347 To me, it's just more evidence that they want to turn Star Trek into Babylon 5 but don't have good enough writers to pull it off. Cause one of the main characters in that has a mother that committed suicide and she was also a guarded and, at times, abrasive person. However, unlike Picard we're actually told the reason for it, and then her father turned cold and eventually left her household and her brother died in a war. You're lead to understand she didn't let people get too close to her because from her perspective the people she loves either winds up betraying her or dying and that she was using work as a means of avoiding dealing with her emotional trauma. This context is all given in two episodes of the first season by the way. In Picard, they try to retroactively define his entire character by that one incident, that we don't even get much context for it seems, and it doesn't even make sense with his backstory given in TNG where he's a brash, arrogant upstart who goes out drinking with friends, sleeps around with women, and picks fights with space Norwegians but was later changed by the realities of command and the sudden death of his superior officer aboard the Stargazer to become a more thoughtful and cautious older gentleman. But of course, I doubt anyone on the writing staff has actually watched Tapestry, or Family for that matter since they consistently forget about Picard's brother, Robert.
This unironically has more intelligence and craft put into it than Picard does. The occasional clips of Wil Weaton’s stupid corporate shilling program are actually infuriating to watch, and it puts us in the shoes of Mike. This is a man who must feel an unimaginable range of emotions as he watches Star Trek-the beautiful flagship of his life-sink beneath the waves. Rage, horror, confusion, and resignation are only a few of the intense feelings Mike is experiencing, and by constantly exposing us to the intensely unpleasant Wil Wheaton clips, we as an audience TRULY get to share in Mike’s emotions and sympathize with him as a character. Brilliant storytelling through editing 👏🏼
No exaggeration, RLM are actual masters of their craft
@@Lifesizemortal 100% agree.
"The beautiful flagship of his life -- sink beneath the waves" is so much more poetic than any shit Akiva Goldsman could write. Bravo.
Brilliant comment it deserves more likes
I like this character arc. Mike is one of the most believable characters ever put on a screen. It's like you can see into his soul, and see it slowly withering as something it loves, dies a horrible death in front of it. I know it's just acting, but I believe every single second of it, because it is that well written.
I love how talking about current day issues, like climate change, is super important to them, in that they believe it needs to be discussed to deal with it. However, their solution to climate change is some magical microbe found on a moon of Jupiter
Right, the hypothetical microbes from another world, versus the fascist planetary wall (which *also* works for the purpose, interestingly).
The message of the show seems to be "bet the farm on random green progress, or just vote Trump because he too could fix the world with direct practical solutions". Which I don't think is what they were going for...
I mean, a space shield would (realistically speaking) be a lot cheaper than sending a manned ship to Jupiter's moons. And unlike the magic microbe, it would actually work. The magical microbe would either die instantly in Earth's environment or wipe out all life on the planet. You could put a big mirror in space right now today for less than a billion dollars, and a lot less if you let some private company put it up there instead of NASA.
Plus a magical cure would only encourage corporations and governments to increase use of pollutants, instead of switching to more responsible alternatives.
Beneath the surface, I expect the world view of the writers is painfully nihilistic and their true opinion regarding climate change would be the Hollywood cliche "the human race is already doomed and only has 2-3 generations leeft at most". However, they were forced by producers to come up with some kind of solution and so when backed into that corner their passive aggressive response was to deliberately conjure up a magical answer.
This is all part of the hilarious scenario that woke writing for Star Trek has presented ever since Discovery began: How do nihilistic morons write for a show that promises a hopeful and just future for humanity? How do you sell your mandated message of doom, fear and divisive politics when operating within an IP that guarantees a future where all current day problems have been solved?
That's the real reason why all nu-trek is nonsense. It's like having a white supremicist writing team tackle a remake of an old sci-fi TV show whose lore is that in the year 3,000 all humans are black. Everything immediately falls apart and said writers are forced to vandalise the show's main premise in order to present their desired message.
That's what separates NuTrek from Classic Star Trek: both franchises are aware of the issues facing society, but NuTrek cannot even conceive of possible solutions to our problems, so we just get lots of empty complaining from rich Californians instead.
@@berserkasaurusrex4233 A big space mirror could reduce Earth's heat but it wouldn't affect the ever growing co2 levels in the air and would certainly be used as an excuse to kick the can further. As bad as rising temperatures are there's still the unliveable air quality problem which will be just as much a doomsday threat in future.
Rich saying "It doesn't matter," over and over perfectly mimics my internal monologue during this entire season to stop myself from getting too involved emotionally with what was largely an unending train wreck.
why i never bothered watching, watching clips alone tells you this isn't Star Trek, this is just garbage made by people just hacked the IP to push their agenda on to it instead.
That hits too close!
Which is the bigger disaster?
1. The train wreck that is Star Trek : Picard
2. The freight train of ageist karma slamming into Mike
I was expecting them to use the Looper clip at some point.
"IT DOESN'T MATTER!!"
I love Mike's fever dream editing on these. He can't help but pour his heart into Star Trek, even when he hates it and himself.
Mike and Rich's costumes getting more and more ridiculous as the season goes on is a perfect metaphor.
Poor Mike and Rich.
What costumes? I saw Rich at a supermarket once, he was wearing the same clothes he is wearing in the video.
But they missed using bad French accents, so 6/10
Mike in this is nearly a dead ringer for Wriggle Nightbug, a character from the japanese bullet hell series Touhou Project.
I don't think it was intentional, though.
@@XenoSun lmao he's a little less feminine looking but yeah pretty good cosplay
By the season three finale they'd be wearing each other's skin like suits.
This may be the most chaotic episode of RedLetterMedia to date, perfectly mirroring the Picard series.
I would have preferred them discussing it like the previous re:View Episodes.
Huge fan, but this one was a bit grating in parts.
I thought Mike and Rich were going to kiss
::Chaos Intensifies::
Possibly my favorite ever
@@YTWanderer I agree. Both this episode and the previous one went too much into the whole 'chaotic, unhinged mess' gimmick and it was annoying. The previous one wasn't quite so bad, but its first ten minutes were hard to get through. This one was rough throughout and I had to skip several times. I LOVED the other episodes where they discussed the flaws and pointed out inconsistencies (and stupidity).
I hope they'll do a re:View of some of their favourite episodes from any of the series again. Those were really entertaining and relaxing and happy and enlightening.
- Cuts to Rich Evans wearing a Doctor Strange T-shirt
- Rich Evans says "This is strange"
I love it when the editing highlights the themes of the film!
2:10 I love that these supposedly progressive and emphatic scriptwriters noticed that Picard didn't have long term relationships and decided that it must be because he is broken. It cannot be just a choice, something has to be terrible wrong with him.
Not to mention that he DOES have long term relationships. Do they not even know this? Probably not.
@@chuckshingledecker2216
Picard's greatest 'flaw' is that he is a very deeply compassionate human being who has gotten as far as he has in Star fleet having to shut-off his emotions and is especially afraid of being vulnerable, 'knowing' that being seen as vulnerable is the worst thing you can do as the captain of a military vessel.
It's why Patrick Stewart always played him as strict, very stern and logic-based, it allows more drama and tension for his character and even trauma as he has to give up his own emotional-well being to be the leader he needs to be.
It's why the last scene of the show is perfect. It is him finally realizing that he can be truly vulnerable, if not with the world at large, then with these people who he has trusted countless times that have come through for him not just because he is the Captain, but because he is a genuine friend and inspiration.
"I should have done this a long time ago..."
"You were always welcome."
To be fair, theres something terribly wrong with you, that said Picards character has nothing to do with having deep fear of cochy, he aint you
Yea "progressive". The Borg were pretty clearly a metaphor for communism previously, so the new "progressive" writers decided the only way to save the galaxy was uniting with the communists. No ulterior motives for these "progressives".
@@GraphiteShores yes, but dude... I understand you're 13 and haven't lived a real life yet... but what you describe in your first paragraph is EVERY. PROFESSIONAL. ANYWHERE. EVER. We all literallly give up our emotional well-being every day to be what we need to be at work. Not all of us are Captains of military vessels, but it's still nothing to so deeply traumatically and emotionally devastatingly write home about.
If nothing, that last scene of this show is so incredibly and excrutiatingly stupid. EVERYONE deals with that all their lives, all the time, and now you have this incredibly intelligent, smart and well-centered man managing to deal with it only at 90+? What is he, some kind of a moron? He lived in his vinyard for years; did the Earth go Mad Max he couldn't connect to any people who WEREN'T his subordinates? Is he a cretin?
As for his "flaw".
I freaking love that they dragged Jay into watching the finale with them. I wish we could've heard his take on this train wreck.
I envy Jay, because he probably was absolutely oblivious to what they have done to this franchise and its characters.
Pretty sure they just tricked him into believing they were shooting an episode of BotW.
He is having a blast, seeing a beloved franchise he does not care about commit hara-kiri right in front of his eyes, that his very good friends Rich and Mike are greatly pained by it is a little extra he appreciates also.
@@cactusmalone That's what they tell depressed people. Only the stupid ones believe it
We did.
Thoughts and prayers to Jay for sitting through the episode with them.
He picked a terrible place to start watching Star Trek in preparation for the next Star Trek quiz show.
They must have compromising photos of him watching some non-artsy film in secret.
@@the81kid... or the best place? He does like misery porn. Probably leeches it off Rich and Mike too.
He’s a good friend
@@johnblack8655 Probably the latest Marvel movie. He sat there with Hulk hands on and screamed "yaay"
"We don't really know the reason why he's so emotionally distant"
because he convinced himself that personal attachments were a bad thing since his position required him to be ready to send people to their death to protect the ship. they fucking explored this in the original show MULTIPLE TIMES.
There was an entire episode where Picard was starting a relationship with a woman in the Astrophysics lab and he broke it off after he had to possibly order her to her death.
Stop fucking making up questions we already knew the answers to, jesus christ this shit makes me mad.
Even if these people had seen that episode, the genuinely would not understand why he broke up with her. They would not understand the concept of not even giving the appearance of giving her preferential treatment, as most of them probably got their jobs writing for the show through nepotism.
I feel you!
Vash - the best opposite of Picard.
@@KasumiKenshirou Spot on. They have no concept of meritocracy, or how one conducts oneself in a military-style organisation, like a ship, or Starfleet, which while not expressly military, is organised much like a navy. They think, "If I was a crewman on a starship, I'd be best friends with the captain!" No. No you would not, for the same reason a private soldier isn't friends with a general.
It's written by people who hate hierarchy, meritocracy, having to _earn things_ (not just earning money, but earning writing positions on shows, emotional setup/payoff, story beats in plots... anything), they hate competence and most of all, they hate us. It's cultural vandalism meant to ruin the things we love and make a buck while doing it (because they think we are 'toxic' or whatever); as Rich so succinctly put it - it's secular blasphemy.
It's lonely at the top. But I guess these failed writers are in the gutter so have no clue what that means.
“We got dumped” is the most incisive and accurate description of what happened to traditional Star Trek and Star Wars fans over the last decade.
I think you can add MCU to that.
More like it just outgrew you.
@@Dave175 👏 👏 lol!!
I got dumped by Star Wars 20 years ago, long before the last decade.
Watch 'Strange New Worlds', it's actually a lot like TNG. Very surprising to see a new Star Trek that's not absolute garbage.
This series of reviews will forever be Star Trek: Picard’s legacy
Does anyone else think poor patrick is being elder-abused on the level of bruce willis?
Somebody stop them
Phasers on kill! 🔫
Literally true.
@@snipelite94 They should include this on the DVD special edition of Picard...
@@snipelite94 it's all his doing. This was all his idea.
I am pretty sure Colombus, Magellan, or other explorers didn't talk that poetic while on the seas, but they only talked poetically when they were trying to get more money from kings and queens for their next voyage.
It wouldn't be surprising if they talked that way. Understanding your profession as part of a civilizational & God-given task was not unusual, and the vernacular (at least for educated people whose words we have recorded) was simply more poetic & religious.
I agree, those who research the subject gonna realize even civilian ships were under strict rules. Those ships were made by engineers not dreamers and even when they believed in God's helping hand they knew they are playing with fire, dreams are for the king's court, the reality is harsh and unforgiving.
With their slaves as well
@@luiginastro8831What?
This review matches the season perfectly.
It's unhinged, incoherent, confusing and disorienting to watch, at times horrific and nightmarish, completely nonsensical and features clowns playing clowns in the lead roles.
Flawless.
And the costumes and effects were low budget.
Is it as "flawless and perfect" as Boyhood, that Mike and Jay finally realized after succumbing to mass-hypnosis?
It works on so many levels, mostly one.
Best comment! Nice!
Okay good, I'd thought it was just me.
Rich asks: why is star trek relying on super villains. Because it has been turned into a super hero story and super hero stories have super villains. This show posits that Picard's line of ancestors is somehow imbued with greatness. It's just hero tropes, ad nauseum
THIS is exactly it. Never thought of it like that until now.
This reminds me of JJ wrenching back Star Wars from Rian Johnson to reestablish the nepotism foundation of the Skywalker Saga lol
Rich succinctly summarized the entirety of the whole show: "It doesn't matter"
Rich has successfully harnessed anti-matter.
@@ZylonBane 🤣🤣🤣🤣You win.
The thrilling conclusion
Star Trek Patrick is over…thank Q.
You didn't see the whole thing yet!
First second in and the fact they look like Drag Queens scares me…
But also makes me say “yeah, Picard could have an episode dressed like that based on previous evidence.”
@@MisteRRYouTuby No one’s ever really gone. 🤣
thrill, or kill?
Thank you for giving Wil Wheaton's cameo the attention that it deserved.
Mike's faux monologue from the last installment is so spot on that he is either a genius or somehow, having seen 10 in advance, a grand master Hack Fraud. It is of course plausible that he is both.
so let me get this straight. the showrunners thought picards lack of a longterm relationship was worth delving into, and the best answer they could come up with was mommy issues? also building a shield around the earth to combat global warming was part of the plot of highlander 2
Kurtzman loves to rip off things. They had the rippers from mass effect in the last season
@@brakogar reapers*
@GodEmperor Bigfoot Highlander 2 was the best Highlander sequel.
Just, let that sink in.
i think that was actually to do with the hole in the ozone layer, which was a thing at the time
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 The Renegade Version, certainly.
The sight of Jean Luc Picard saying to his... friends?... the line "Hey! Hey, you guys!" was all the proof I needed that the problem is with writers who can't write for a character, and need inject their own voice(s) onto everybody. 'Star Trek: Picard' is not Star Trek, and doesn't have Picard in it.
Patrick Stewart probably wrote that line himself. And the 'hung herself' gem.
"PICARD": I'm in the hizzee! Let's make it so _the drama_ !
CHUNK: And Captain Picard says let's get the _hell_ out of here!
It's Patrick Stewart: The Show, not Picard.
You nailed it, not Star Trek, and not the character of Picard, simple as that. Whatever input Stewart had is just more proof that actors are rarely creatives, and should stay in their lane.
Exactly. I watched 4 episodes of S1 before finally concluding that its a waste of time, because this is not Jean Luc Picard that I'm watching.
I remember in a commentary track Bill Shatner and Leonard Nemoy were talking about the continuity of character over years of a franchise. They said that the directors, writers and eventually producers change and the people who best understand and must protect the characters are the lead actors. I think the next generation and the 90s Trek actors were not as invested in these characters or they weren't allowed as much input as the original series cast. Patrick Stewart certainly was more interested in driving go karts and acting Shakespeare than he was in Star Trek
Sometimes they are too close to the performance and don't see what people like about them. I feel in this case Patrick Stewart thinks people like him not the role he played, so he can make the character act how he wants.
@@SolidGoldCEO I think you’ve summed it up right there. He has totally missed this, even though it’s been in his plain sight for half of his bloody life. What a dumbarse. I wonder if he *ever* understood? Typing this sat next to my Star Trek book case… :(
I was saddened to see Jonathan Frakes directed some of these episodes. I thought he had a better sense for what Trek really is, but I guess it was a chance to work with his friends again. I suppose it's hard to maintain a vision of something when the creator is long dead, and no one is left who can keep the Flame alive. It's tragic.
PIcard was more abused than Harry Kim and Miles O'Brien.
@@timefororbit Sadly, I think Frakes is one of the lead culprits in the state Star Trek currently is, not only because of his involvement in pretty much all the recents series, but for the way Star Trek shifted into "dark, action-loaded sci-fi" with First Contact. As much as I despise JJ Abrams and wish I could lay the blame entirely on his brain-dead approach to the franchise back in 2009, First Contact really is where it all started (although Generations paved the way to the more emotional, fragile way Patrick Stewart has portrayed Jean-Luc Picard ever since).
18:46 genuinely frightened me. And Rich summed up this cluster fire dumpster fuck of a series perfectly when he said, "It was about throwing out everything they didn't like, and everything they didn't like was what we liked." Should've called it Star Trek: The Emotion Picture.
Wil Wheaton being an unashamed corporate shill fits him so well.
He plays the part so naturally.
He's not playing a part he is the emodiment of corporate nerd (see Big Bang Theory etc). VERY COOL!
It’s disgusting to watch. The weak slime dripping smile and weak kneed posture of a shaking shill.
@@darenlmn3093 You just know he has a wall of funko pops.
@@SmugCanadian He probably has one of himself.
I really do wonder though, who on earth could watch him and react positively? Who could see that and not detect the fake bullshit of his shilling?
This is definitely the quality writing I would expect from the academy award winning writer of Batman and Robin
I thought it was weird that he called Wil an "absolute zero" before shooting him with a freeze ray.
Batman and Robin was better than this
@@Frenchnostalgique god it's true 😢
Tons of stories have been ruined by this obsession with Mystery Box writing. Logically, Borg Jurati should have removed her mask or opened dialogue with Picard instead of attacking outright. The reason she didn't do the logical decision is because the writers wanted a Big Reveal about the Borg Queen's identity later on.
At least Batman and Robin wasn't offensive like this shit.
Honestly, I think the problem isn't that that characters don't talk like they do on Star Trek, it's that they don't talk like people in general. Even old explorers wouldn't talk like that. Sure, they'd probably write in a really flowery way in their journal to make their journey sound more grandiose, but if they were talking to their crewmates, they'd still be giving them orders and talking to them in a professional way.
These characters talk in a really writerly way, which makes for terrible dialogue regardless of which show you're writing.
They talk like the voiceover in a melodramatic movie trailer.
That's called the Christopher Nolan school of character dialogue.
Time is something that you wish you could reverse. The things you see and the scars left on your soul, we wish we could backtrack them all into the infinite cosmos of time. Time echoes like a butterfly's wings. When we see things that change us as the people we once were but will soon become or grow into, if we reverse the time into our lives, we have to recognize the moments that we share with each other now are priceless. And if we take those moments in time and we appreciate them and love them and truly realize that when we look up at the night sky and see the stars as they are, those stars once were different stars and we realize in here we become something new.
I think it was Rich who said they were trying to sound like Shakespeare. That is dead on. The writers on this show know that this is probably the biggest IP they will ever work on, so they're trying to make the dialogue way more dramatic than it needs to be. They think regardless of the setting, the writing should be overly romantic, and they will be applauded for it.
@@MrNside I myself think it’s another Patrick Stewart mandate, he wants that sort of dialogue so he can flex as a “real actor” or whatever other vanity project nonsense.
Thinking about this, something *really* irritates me. The solution to one of Earth's problems wasn't with hard work, overcoming adversity, improving humankind or anything like that. It was a Deus Ex Machina in the form of the alien microbe or whatever it was. I'm not a diehard adherent to Roddenberry's vision and all that, but this seems like such a slap to the message of OldTrek. I'm sure somebody else has brought this point up but ugh. It makes everything worse.
Great point! That is the main reason why it didn’t really sit well with me.
And you can see how stupiditly moronic that is while watching Mike and Rich opinions on first episodes, when they think the show is gonna tackle all sort of systemic problems. Despite it being still stupid, that is what you instinctivly think when you consider "when humanity went wrong/good". But no. Microorganism from space.
Not to mention that introducing an alien organism into a fragile/ damaged ecosystem would probably have unseen and disastrous consequences
I remember writing bad scripts (and I mean really bad) in film school. My teacher would tactfully and expertly dismantle them and ask 'why this decision'. This would create moments of revelation and education and I could look at my awful scripts with a new eye. Scripts that were as good as I could make, just moments ago.
I think the Picard scripts never had that 'revelation and education' moment. The scripts were written (badly), received no expert analysis then went into production.
Almost like those movies... where the writer/director did the same thing... and had nobody to push back or analyze or correct or enrich their hastily written scripts... and then just went ahead and started shooting the damn things.
By someone who never took 1 class yes
"why this decision?"
"Cause I wrote it like that!"
It’s like they wrote first drafts and then just made them
A parenthetical adjective before its noun is like not having a parentheses at all. More effective would be: I wrote bad scripts(and I mean really bad) in school. Or: And I wrote bad scripts in school(like, really bad). It’s like making an aside during speech; imagine making the original ordering in speech, the listener wouldn’t know what the aside pertained to.
The whole season, I kept thinking, "Isn't it a little late to give Picard mother issues?"
And if he had such issues, wouldn't he have worked through them during that long life he lived in "The Inner Light"?
Those hacks never watched a single episode of TNG, they don't know about the Inner Light. They only watched Nemesis and decided Picard and Data loved each other and wrote all of Picard with that dynamic in mind, and no other knowledge besides vague Borg stuff.
Oh it just never came up.
I thought "Where the fuck is Q's son?" Surely if a Q is dying, which is unheard of, others would come, probably his son most of all. Or his 5 billion year bit of fun. Then I stopped because it make sense and fuck me for trying to make any sense in this mess.
Shhh, don't talk like that. You must engage your doublethink and be excited for next product.
Simple answer. They never saw The Inner Light. They watched All Good Things, First Contact (movie), and Nemesis. Literally. Or even worse, they had their assistants watch those three things for the extent of their research before putting pen to paper.
All the Will Wheaton reaction shots are comedy gold, but I think mining for that gold probably jaded RLM even further. I can't imagine sitting through the whole interview...it's like nails on a chalkboard for 2 hours.
If I was them I’d watch it on mute with subtitles so then at least they’re spared from actually listening
The dedication these guys have to sit through not just this trainwreck, but all the extra materials to edit into this is simply astounding! I think their deteriorating mental states in this video are pretty understandable considering that fact.
The Ready Room episodes are less than 30 minutes. There is no 2 hour interview...
@@shanenokes1170 : I have no clue how long those segments are, but time drags when you're not having fun.
@@urbanstarship "I have no clue"...
Yes. That's obvious.
It's like this: no one says "no". I've had managers like this. I have a feeling that there are way too many writers on this show and they all bring their ideas to the boss who doesn't want to reject anything for fear of causing offense, so they just pile it all together and hope that it works.
Mike perfectly summed this up in the Phantom Menace review: "no one told him that it made no sense at all and was a stupid, incoherant mess".
That boss is Patrick Stewart. He's never been in a writing room before and he has no idea what's going on, other than he wants to be special for no reason other than he's just so cool and his whole family line is just the bestest most troubled and most special of them all. He has no clue what is or isn't good writing, it's something he's never done before, so I'm sure he just approves every little idea that comes out and has been running the series into the very ground due to incompetence.
Problem with modern media in general. People are afraid to say no to bad ideas. Or can’t do so respectfully. There are no leaders or singular visions. I think most writers rooms are strangers trying to get along and find common ground long enough to get somethingdone
I'm pretty sure those 14th century explorers also wrote down their co-ordinates and headings when they were actually managing the ship, and saved the flowery language for the ship's diary
Indeed, they were all master sailors who by the time they became Captain had decades of seamanship under their belts.
@@shugaroony would you call them a true seamen?
Salty and always sticking to their goals, ready to follow into the deepest darkest crevices of the ocean to find their prize and achieve...immortality and glory?
@@JM-mh1pp 😂
Apparently old ships’ diaries are so dry in their lists of headings and weather conditions that even a tiny little flourish makes historians deeply excited. Maybe they saved the style for their letters home?!?
Im being pedantic, but in those days co-ordinates could not be determined because accurate time pieces had not yet been invented. Sailors used what's known as dead reckoning, by measuring your speed and heading and how much time has elapsed you will know how far u are from a fixed point like the port and by checking against your plotted course can can get a rough idea of where you are.
“Stop. Just stop.”
“It...it doesn’t matter.”
Ladies and gentleman, in two separate lines, Mike and Rich, respectively, have singlehandedly summed up the entirety of NuTrek since 2009 and given each of us the only justification we need to not watch any of it. I hope you’re all paying attention to this. It doesn’t get any simpler than this.
It’s also versatile. It applies to all major franchises today.
Alright we need to get some funding together to replace the Hollywood sign with "STOP JUST STOP IT DOESN'T MATTER"
I haven’t watched any nu-trek…I haven’t watched more than a dozen TNG or any other star trek tv…
I have however, watched all the RLM trek related videos.
I was supposed to have heart surgery in January 2020, between episodes 1 and 2 of season one. I had been looking forward to the show so much, and I was genuinely worried about dying during surgery and missing all but the first episode.
Sadly, my surgery was postponed. And perhaps even more sadly, I survived to see THE WHOLE THING OH MY GOD, THE HORROR THE HORROR
Good luck with the surgery, hope this man-made horror beyond our comprehension isn't one of the last things you see.
When you had your operation, please notify us.
Keep us posted man.
I'm so sorry you...lived?
Ask for an artificial heart, to honor the TNG Picard.
I feel lucky I caught these legends in the making… In a way, these are the new “Star Wars Plinkett Review” videos, that they will be remembered more and respected more than the original episodes they were ripping into.
This is the only way I can watch whatever this is supposed to be. I don't really buy/collect anymore but I think I like certain action figures and toy sets from Star Wars, Star Trek ect. Some of the figures look alright but the stories are very strange. I consider the Marvel Universe concluded when Thanos won. I like Guardians of the Galaxy and hope they make a good third one.
You know a series is soul crushing when a major nerd like Mike simply says "you know, you're exactly right. I have no answer -- I thought I knew what I was talking about, but I don't"
Remember when you could watch an episode of Star Trek and 99 times out of 100, the stakes weren't "all life everywhere?" It's so exhausting that every season is a universe-destroying monster of some sort. At this point I just want them to throw their arms up and say "hell with it" and just let the galaxy eat itself.
Between that, someone (or everyone) emotionally overreacting to any decision that is made and everyone being flawed just for the sake of easy characterisation, Picard and Disco are absolutely not Star Trek
BUT WE’VE GOTTA RAISE THE STAKES
Ah c'mon, there was plenty of relaxing low-stakes stuff. Like that one time a guy got his eyeball slowly ripped out for 20 minutes, and the other guy who got his head chopped off because he was rude, or the classic subplot where 7-of-9 blew off some steam by committing war crimes.
See? There's nothing exhausting about stuff like that.
STRANGE [NEW WORLDS]: Tony... there was no other way...
RIKER: ... My name is Will.
@@zizoumonk10 You mean "THE STARS-KES"
I started laughing the moment I saw that you had Jay there watching this stupid finale with you guys
Yeah, I wanna know what he thinks
@@helloitismetomato Probably thinking "you fuckers watch this shit lol"
I think they frequently invite him to nutrek showings. He was in Discovery episode 1 I believe
@@joldsaway3489 he was, he got to laugh at the reveal that there were actually a full two dozen producers on STD S1.
I certainly did
Yes, Picard is so afraid of being intimate. Remember the "Inner Light" TNG episode? Well, I guess the writers didn't. Remember Crusher? Nope. Remember Vash? Nope. Remember Nella Daren? Nope.
To be fair, he never committed to any of them. The Inner Light wasn't his own actions and relationships, it was him reliving the memories of another person. And he never really got overly intimate with Crusher, at least not for long, because he was friends with her late husband. Never got serious with Vash either because she was a criminal basically
This season had so many points of frustration. So many to choose from.
One of Star Trek's themes since TOS has been about the sweeping effectiveness of medicine. McCoy, Crusher, etc couldn't always cure illness, but the diseases of our time were overwhelmingly gone.
Picard's mother is portrayed as having 'mental illness' with suicidal ideation, planning, and eventually action. The care for her was...her husband locking her in a room like it's the 19th century. The season makes a parallel between his early-24th century mother and 2024's Rene Picard. Unlike 300 years later, Rene is getting treatment for her illness.
Picard's realization over the season about his father is that he was a kind, caring person, but from what we know of Star Trek, and just this season, it's actually a horrible display of neglect.
The portrayal of mental illness in STP was horrible. Anybody who actually suffers from such a condition needs to remember that there is real treatment available, that it's not easy, but that it's worth it in the long run. Dealing with depression is not this emotional TV bullish*t. It's actually hard work.
No. It’s both. It’s a spectrum. It’s silly and sad.
Like Picard.
And at least one episode of TOS, "Whom Gods Destroy", specifically deals with how treatment for mental illness has advanced. Even violent criminals are able to be reformed in Kirk's time, so it is really stupid how Picard's mom is treated in this show.
I pity the bastards at the Alpha Memory Wiki who have to make the continuity make sense in context with other series.
Yeah we don't have mental health treatment in the 24th century but at least we all have vaccination chips.
The trouble is the way we’re training screenwriters. Everything has to be a drama. All their characters have to broken, that way they can fix them. Because that’s the only way they’ve been trained to think about arcs. Old Star Trek was speculative science fiction. It was concerned about ideas, not individuals.
A symptom of modern writing I've noticed is there's always a bunch of subplots no matter what the movie or show is about.
Sorry, but I think that assessment misses the mark pretty heavily and would be pretty bad advice for screenwriters to follow. Good fiction (speculative or otherwise) is often concerned about both inner and outer conflict. Old Trek is no exception-It was concerned about both ideas and individuals. However, it seems like _Picard_ writers fail to realize that often, small-scale conflicts can be better.
Think about the fact that, in "The Best of Both Worlds," in the midst of a massive external conflict, the episode's primary internal conflict is Riker figuring out if he should take a promotion, and then figuring out how to lead when a promotion is thrust upon him. "Data's Day," is almost entirely focused on individuals and internal/interpersonal conflict, while being relatively sparse on both external conflict and high-concept ideas. But it still manages to be interesting, despite the fact that the stakes in the A-plot are pretty tiny.
Star Trek would be shit if it wasn't concerned about individuals. But, what's interesting is giving individuals a goal and a problem and then exploring their characters by watching how they naturally work through that problem. It seems like some modern screenwriters do this backwards-they say "We want to to do a deep exploration of Picard's difficulties with commitment," and then try to invent a convoluted plot around it.
Some of it may come from screenwriters being influenced by video game narratives, where it at least makes sense for supporting characters to have personal problems only the protagonist can resolve, because developers can work them into the gameplay, and players typically have some agency in determining how they resolve. Often every character in a party-based CRPG will have some backstory trauma and/or serious emotional issues to work through, because they can all be tied into side quests to extend gameplay. Mass Effect-style character growth doesn't work in a TV show though, for what should have been obvious reasons.
@Banni Yeah, another awful side effect of video games in modern media is that a lot of stories just consist of characters running around from one narrative checkpoint to the next, instead of actually having a cohesive objective.
I'd say it's lack of passion. Just studio colleagues handling an IP, so it doesn't die -- not auteur work or anything like that. You won't see any of the Picard writers stomping around the set like Gene Roddenberry, yelling about a specific artistic vision. A job's a job.
I love how I can't tell if Mike is legitimately deteriorating from alcoholism or just that good of an actor.
He’s that good of an actor, AND he’s deteriorating from alcoholism
Yes
Embrace the word “and”.
It's so cool that Mike got Elton John to discuss Star Trek: Picard with him
The death of Star Trek for Mike cannot be overstated it’s almost irony seeing all his favorite franchises die
Star Wars was easier to take. Slower death and honestly hadn’t been good since the 80’s anyways. Trek seems to be hitting Mike harder.
"How's it feel Mike, to have lived long enough to see your favorite franchises go down in flames." Rich Evans.
Nobody’s ever really gone (to hell)
Oh God....I just had a thought. George Lucas is behind it all. He's got the money......
That's what he gets for making fun of all those old people!
*FUN FACT: Patrick Stewart admitted this was a vanity project of his* where he was NOT going to play Picard as the Picard we all know, but as himself (Patrick Stewart). He says Picard and himself are basically the same person. All I could think of was "Sheer fucking Hubris!"
Wait, what? Him and Picard are the same, but now he’s going to play him completely different to play him as himself?
Where did he say this?
Regardless of fact checking, this adds up
Unfortunately
@@KingRich616 Check out his interview on the Hollywood Reporter on May 5th, 2022. It called "Picard star Patrick Stewart shares Season 2 Regrets and explains why he sounds slightly different in final episodes".
There are other interviews where he talks about having full creative control over the show, so this wasn't some writers giving him bad ideas. Theses were HIS IDEAS he wanted put into the show. The writers themselves are all newbies and all but one have ZERO knowledge about Star Trek at all. The one that does have experience sound like that one writer is drowned out by the rest of this group.
@ℂ'𝕖𝕤𝕥 𝕊𝕚 𝔹𝕠𝕟!I had an idea to save this franchise. This whole season should have been Picard waking up one day thinking he is Patrick Stewart in present day and thought of by people around him as some crazy old man who thinks he is a Starship captian in the future. Through the season he accepts that he might be wrong and just crazy. Then he starts getting short communications from the future into his brain directly. They tell him he is Picard and was sent back in time to preserve the timeline but something went wrong and has memory loss from the deviation in the timeline. They don't know what caused the deviation, but give him a mission to correct it. The whole season is this old man going from Patrick Stewart (an old man no one listened to) to becoming Picard again at great personal costs. In the end, Picard says the timeline, and we find out the person behind the deviation in time is none other than the continuation in the of the Trial of Humanity. The lesson the Essense of a person vs just their identity. It would fit the Q perfectly since each Q is more of an essense of a personality come to life than sticking any linear identity. This also makes the events of Picard NOT CANON! So Patrick Stewart can have his fanasty project and have no harm to the franchise.
Will Wheaton is far more unbearable here than he ever was as Wesley.
At least in TNG he was being somewhat genuine about who he was instead of being a Yes Man for Paramount.
That ****-eating grin as he shills harder than anyone.
His "excitement" feels fake/unauthentic, like it's delivered by someone who feels smugly superior (either morally or intellectually) and therefore WAY over confident in their abilities (which shows lack of respect for the audience).
This is why you see him trying to box people in (to limited set of responses) during interviews (while no other promoters do). Or he'll tell interviewees what their own preference are ("you're (pause) going to love, (pause) eatting out in Santa Monica. You, are, go, ing, to, love it!").
I read that as Weasely
Say whatever you want about Wheaton from before or after his TNG run... sure, today he's an insufferable 50 year old C-Lister... But no 14 year old on the planet was going to make Wesley a likable character in season one. The S1 writers openly resented having to write for him in seemingly every scene he appeared.
I miss the old picard the one that got straight to the point and made decisions that were logical and principled and Starfleeted and clipped and official and decisive
I'm so glad you used the clip of TNG Picard arguing with the Sheliak. Picard is more interesting and compelling reading that treaty and hanging up on them than in any of the new Picard series.
Hey! He's still alive and... his life...is continuing. So just lay off!
It's because he was getting rule's lawyered by the aliens that whole episode, so he got satisfied rubbing their faces in it. You could FEEL the satisfaction - yes feel it.
I was struck by how much character Dwight Schultz put into the line "I'm picking up visual wavelengths only between 4500 and 7000 Angstroms." So I started paying attention to all the old clips in this video. The treknobabble of old Trek was often comical, but Trek from TOS to Enterprise was never about the science. It was about the characters, or writ large, the human condition. Barclay, Worf, Geordi, Data, Crusher, Picard would all deliver the same line of treknobabble differently. The characters would speak. More than half the story was not in the literal words.
Abrams Trek was all about spectacle. Kurtzman Trek has Something Important To Say. Neither has a core. I find both far less compelling than any of the previous versions. I find Disco and Picard unwatchable, even ironically.
In the other mega SF franchise, there is a huge disconnect between the feature films and the TV offerings, with the TV version being immeasurably superior storytelling. In NuTrek, Lower Decks is very watchable, though it relies an awful lot on references. Will Strange New Worlds be NuTrek's Mandalorian?
"I don't think woman should wear hats indoors" words to live by.
I feel like that was a quote I needed context to... But at the same time I couldn't care less.
We need to bring George Carlin back to debate him
John de Lancie saying what we're all thinking.
According to Quark women shouldn't be allowed too wear anything. And I support him.
Jay loves horror, but nothing could've prepared him for being brought into the screening room during an episode of Picard.
The real tragedy here. Jay is a completionist. Which means these sadistic bastard extras from a shitty Drew Barrymore vehicle made him watch this garbage fire series. There has to be an OSHA violation that deals with mental anguish
The best thing I've gotten out of my experience with Picard is that it has made even mediocre episodes of TNG feel like a fine wine when I re-watch them. It really puts into focus what I care about in Star Trek after escaping from the farcical Star Trek-themed torture dungeon that is Picard.
I still have sad thoughts when I see something that reminds me of this show, but the healing can begin.
The Star Wars sequel effect in action.
My housemates have been rewatching Voyager for the first time in years. I remember when they was the dumbed-down, lowest-commmon-denominator Trek. Now it's fucking high art.
Me too.
@@ArchibaldClumpy I found Voyager disappointingly conservative at the time but re watching it now in the context of Nu Trek it is completely redeemed.
I could listen to Mike talk about anything, literally anything.
What if that thing was talking about how good your current partner was in bed last night & how much nasty stuff they did to & with each other while laughing & pointing at a picture of you on the night stand?
That's lucky.
And so you shall.
My favorite part of the episode was when Scarlet Witch appeared and killed Picard as revenge for letting Data die
27:28 having to explain that losing your mother at a young age causes grief, using expository dialogue, has to be the worst writing in any drama that's ever been made.
Ironically, old Star Trek rarely broke the 'show, don't tell' rules. ST(u)P(id) is all tell, no show. They aren't breaking the rules, they just rewrote them.
Every time Guinan raises her glass for a disinterested toast, I burst into laughter.
What they didn't realise is that Star Trek presented a true fantasy: the ideal work environment
Working with subject matter experts on interesting and varied problems.
Except that TNG lower decks episode and the LaForge-Barclay one which shows they can also be petty subjectively prejudiced managers. But they grow and do better, so still yes.
....I'm honestly going to miss them talking about Season 3. This has been so entertaining to watch, but I understand how painful it must be for them to get through.
These hack frauds have no principles. They'll review it for the click cash despite what they say or feel right now.
@@yellowcard8100 Think he is joking.
ONT: But yeah I would love to watch them reviewing S3. God damn its the best that happened for ST since...well the nu ST came out. As at least we can laugh at it all as we plummet to the surface with the show.
@@JohnMichaelson Run along and watch something written by hack writers, and enjoy your lollypop. TNG looks like fricken shakespere compared to the turds modern writers keep popping out. If you actually like Picard, you have the IQ of a budgie that had it's head squashed by the cage door as it hatched. Either that or you are paid by Amazon to leave comments defending Picard, in which case I pity you for the shittest job ever.
And John, when you loved something, and it is destroyed, it's like a car crash.. you have to have a look. and theey are doing us all a favour by helping us avoid watching this tripe. (i watched 3 episdodes then switched off)
With any luck they'll wait until S3 is complete then do one giant Best of the Worst send-up of the whole season.
They'll be back mark my words
Every component that comprises this video, especially the editing, was made with so much more cynicism and vitriol than the average RLM video. I'm here for it.
Oh are you ‘here for it’
Mike consistently saying "kindler" instead of "kinder" brings me so much joy
Jack laid in the middle this whole time and didn't even flinch nor say one word. What a performance.
He's like Jigsaw
@@yaboibunsen363 you cut him open and you find a lost David lynch lore of the rings adaption.
Picard doesn't make a lot of sense, until you realize Will Wheaton has engineered this whole situation to bring down the franchise that has caused him years of unending ridicule, making the aged cast dance around like dull puppets in a choreographed display of ineptitude.
By 2024 no one will want to watch Star Trek ever again, and for the first time in TNG continuity, Wesley Crusher won't be the low hanging fruit for the ridicule of under-socialized man-children.
And in 2025, when the new season of Dark Matter is lauded as a great success, his revenge will be complete.
Wesley Crusher won't be the low-hanging fruit for ridicule, but we'll still have Wil Wheaton for that.
Shut up Wesley
Was he a Q all along? (Without the "I", of course.)
Holy shit is Wil Wheaton a Q?
They didn’t even bring up Wil Wheaton showing up!!
It's bad enough that the writers of ST:Picard forgot about Vash, Eline, Nella Daren, and Beverly Freaking Crusher, but the fact that they think that there always has to be some hidden and suppressed trauma in every character's history is infuriating. And while I still respect Patrick Stewart's acting, I would not let him steer the story into some televised version of his own life that overshadows the character he is supposed to be portraying. Not to mention the plot holes and numerous times the show failed to follow its owns rules. Finally, would it have been so hard for someone attached to this mess to watch TNG to have some idea of how to keep this thing from flying off the rails? Hell, they could have even had an intern do that much.
well, as they say, "write what you know"
they write dark and troubled past because the guilt of all the children they've molested on the epstein island weighs heavily on them
they make everyone mentally ill because that's what they are
Heck they don't even need "suppressed" trauma, just the crap they went through in the series would put most people in a rubber room.
Oh picard's mommy committed self mincrafting, how does that measure up to being the reason that all those people died at wolf 357, that he is the cause of the borg invasion?
His own hubris in the face of Q, has caused untold deaths and destruction.
He lived an entire life time on an alien world.
He, etc, etc etc.
These 'writers' are just a bunch of morons wearing the skin suit that was startrek.
it is systematic pathology beamed into your head. the disgusting psychologizing of low lifes. this is why he calls them not only the wrong people but also the bad people.
Forget… what are you talking about? They didn’t forget anything…
They just never watched any Star Trek before. You can’t forget things that you never knew to begin with. Lol.
Time is something that you wish you could reverse. The things you see and the scars left on your soul. We wish we could backtrack them all into the infinite cosmos of time. Time echoes like a butterfly's wings when we see things that that change us as the people we once were but will soon become, or grow into. If we reverse the time into our lives we have to recognize the moments that we share with each other now are priceless and if we take those moments in time, and we appreciate them and love them and truly realize that when we look up at the night sky and see the stars as they are, those stars once were different stars and we realize, in here, we become something new.
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There are moments in our lives we fear to relive and others we long to repeat. While time cannot give us second chances, maybe people can.
Star Trek always felt like a naval show. The whistle when Kirk would walk onto the Bridge in TOS was a reference to a bosun's whistle from back in the day when a Captain would come up on deck.
Yeah, this is why i liked it so much, it was basically like a submarine or a big navy ship but set in space.
@@SammEater They DIRECTLY reference this in the original series episode, "Balance of Terror." The author said he was explicitly creating a submarine episode in space.
@@vengeance1701 The episode was based on the movie The Enemy Below which was about a destroyer fighting against a German U-Boat in the Atlantic.
@@McShaggswell Correct:) I didn't know anybody would get the reference. But yes!
@@bdekraker I mean that's more or less completely undermined by Gene Roddenberry's total contempt for how military star fleet was in Star Trek II. It's meant to be *naval* as in exploration ships, not war ships. The characters weren't meant to not have feelings or not express their feelings, but there's a sense of decorum and professionalism to TOS and TNG which is totally missing from Picard especially.
With TNG we went from "competency porn" to "shallow melodrama" with Picard. That montage at 26:00 really drives this home...
"Competency porn" 😂
So true.
physics that aren't real but are relatable and easy to understand versus metaphysics that aren't real and are difficult to understand.
I think that's the distinction in formal terms. but I like how you phrased it better.
@@Robb1977 It doesn't actually have anything to do with that. I want to see SMART people SOLVE PROBLEMS. Not emotional people argue about dumb shit.
That's the core of Trek: problem solving in an optimistic future.
@@Jogwheel well, i suppose i poorly worded it. Physics was intended fo be problems... but star trek wasnt always really scientific with its navy-ship approach to space travel. But we find that relatable, and thus care when people do things/solve problems.
Compared to vapid pontificating on the human condition through a very narrow lens lacking amy nuance.
@@Robb1977 IMHO The core of Star Trek TNG was always the moral and ethics, all the tech babble and SciFI was just the grease to keep the (story) machine running.
On top of that, what many people don't seem to grasp is that TNG had a strong spiritual dimension with each member of the crew resembling an God from the ancient Egyptian pantheon.
I didn’t think it was even remotely possible to ruin the Borg. A decades long iconic, terrifying villain, but ST: Picard accomplished that in just a few episodes. That’s something special right there.
Though, I think Rich said they were already partially ruined by the concept of a Borg Queen that was introduced in the movies. So, it was a race that was crippled and this was merely the coup de grace.
More we have Care Borgs
First Contact was the beginning of their ruination, but this was the grand FUCKING finale.
@@Malky24 Are their Care Borg Stares just streams of binary, which all translate to the most flowery bullshit possible?
Old Trek had plenty of emotion. It's still good to this day because it was well written, well acted, and felt appropriate for the story. New Trek is just bad because of bad writing, bad concepts, and it's ALL emotion ALL the time
‘Sometimes those who shine the brightest, feel the sting of melancholy’
Who the FUCK wrote that line?
That’s an utterly embarrassing bit of dialogue, even before putting it in Picard’s mouth, fuuuck me.
That's... distressingly bad. Thinking about it for any length of time I get a pain behind my eyes.
Sounds a lot like the really bad goth poetry people used to show me when I was a teenager.
Every clip I've seen in these reviews have the exact same level of awfulness, it's possibly some of the worst writing I've seen in a high budget thing.
Hey, remember when Picard talked about how important his family history was to him, and how he was always told stories while growing up about his ancestors' numerous achievements?
*_"...from being a small child, I can remember being told about the family line. The Picard who fought at Trafalgar. The Picard who won the Nobel Prize for chemistry. The Picards who settled the first Martian colony."_*
How did this one, the one that inadvertently saved the entire planet from ecological ruin and possible extinction, manage to escape his notice? This couldn't *possibly* be a plot hole, no way, there *must* be a convoluted explanation!
trauma
It...it doesn't matter.
And what a coincidence Brent Spiner was involved with the Picard family in the past. Small world, huh?
I had a this in my through the whole season.
simple....the guys who made this have never actually watched Star Trek.
"We were dumped"
Oh man, does that just nail it? I mean that really sums up these classic properties that are alienating their core audiences in modern updates.
They think they are smarter than we were. THEY have I-phones and all YOU had was Atari. Their creation is not to make something new but to tear down what their parents loved.
The Halo series is doing this right now as well. I was prepared for it to be different, it takes place in a different timeline after all, but it is so far gone I don't think there's anyway to salvage it.
I feel bad for Pablo Schreiber, he seems like a good guy but now he will forever be associated with a character where people don't want to see his face.
I'm pretty sure they want the core fans to be on board, they just lack the skills to make it happen cause they fundamentally don't understand the appeal of the show.
Will Wheaton in these promotional bits makes Kevin Smith look like a respectable human being. Like I know it's obviously a part of his job description to act like the most insufferable bugman ever but come on tone it down a bit.
The sad part is he probably could’ve just as easily had a RUclips channel, made as much money and remained as culturally relevant as he ever was, if not more 🤷🏼♂️
It's actually fascinating how wrong and bad the people who made this "show" are. It's like hiring a drywaller as head chef for a Michelin starred restaurant. Are we surprised when the results only vaguely resembles food?
Could have been a Michelin tire store owner becoming ...... nm.
Give genuine hack frauds the keys to the kingdom and this is what will happen. A case study in fuck-uppery, if there ever was one.
Except drywallers can at least put up drywall, which is more than I can say for whoever writes Picard.
I bet there are a ton of drywallers that can prepare a damn good meal. JJ Abrams and kurtsman employees I would not trust to set the table .
38 minutes flew by, so entertaining, you could really FEEL the apathy.
The writers tried to make Picard the wisest person ever by soaking his dialogue in fake poignancy, but like RLM have said repeatedly it’s just flowery nonsense that doesn’t mean anything. Star Trek should sound like the Navy, but instead they sound like college poetry students trying to impress the professor
"Enough of this self indulgence!" - Picard, Star Trek TNG.
hahahahaha. the truth is we are all the truth and the truth will set you free with truth and when you find the truth it will lead you to the love and the love is what matters and that is why we must......
omg make it STOP!!!!!!!!!
The fact Jay was laughing at Picard's speech sounding a lot like Mike in the previous video was pretty much what is wrong with modern "scifi" writting in a nutshell.
I wouldn't say they should sound naval, but neither should they be flowery. There needs to be a balance. Starfleet is not supposed to be a military, but explorers. Jean-Luc in particular wasn't someone who wanted to fight wars, but to live up to the ideals of peaceful exploration where the unfortunate necessity of combat still existed.
He should talk more like a scientist would, with the naval chatter being limited to tactical situations. Which is more or less how TNG played out.
So it really does go to show that the people involved in Picard never understood Trek, including Patrick Stewart himself.
@@mallios13 Reminder: all TNG post Roddenberry's death was being highly influenced by Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner. The writers repeatedly talked about hating to write for Roddenberry's Trek.
really funny how they went from Q going "does it always have to be of galactic importance? isn't just one life enough?" to ending on "the entire galaxy is in danger and only YOU Picard and Friends can help us, the New Borg, put a stop to it!" really says a lot
One of the few times Mike actually broke a bottle he did a trick shot accidentally and didn't even notice (the bounce to top of the fridge). He also threw that kitchen knife into the wall of the Plinkett set ages ago like he was a fuckin ninja. I think he's got a superpower that only activates after a case of beer.
So do I, as long as you hold the one I'm currently drinking
@@RustyShackleford051 Hopefully it's better than mine. I gain the ability to fall asleep at will... Very limited use but great on public transport.
The one good thing about Mike and Rich’s reviews of this show is that it’s gotten me to watch actually good Star Trek (TNG and DS9 mainly).
Yes, but wade through some horrifying Voyager episodes for nuggets of pure latinum.
Same - the original series is really fun as well imo. The Menagerie, The Corbomite Maneuver, and Arena (the Gorn episode) are some of my favs.
Try Legend of The Galactic Heroes if you want a dry exploration of social and political ideas in a space war. They have a death star and it stays there the entire series effecting everyone's strategic movements instead of getting blown up.
@@Horatio787 I'm just adding a little comment to say I'm glad you mentioned LOGH. I love that show.
I'd recommend everything from before the modern stuff, even the Animated Series and Voyager are worth it. All on Netflixright now.
With Voyager, it's rough...and you'll be praying a certain character will die every episode, but there's good stuff sprinkled throughout, so it's hard to say just watch these episodes, or from this season to that.
Plus, Berman apologized for what he did with a lot of Trek, so it's something.
Never was the phrase, "I'm done" ever more eloquently expressed than by Mike's demeanor in this review. 😂😂
He was peer pressured into it by Angry Joe.
Yeah, this one felt extra off the rails and just exhausted.
I'm done as well with the Star Trek shit.
@@theeternalnow6506 I'd be even angrier if I hadn't seen these shows out on the briny deep.
Akiva Goldsman's description of the plot about Picard "fearing intimacy" is the exact same BS cod psychology that he included in his script for Batman Forever over 25 years ago. The man has had zero new ideas since then. At least Batman Forever was funny though and not weighed with more self importance than a U2 album.
U2 album 🤣
Batman fears intimacy so much in the comics he's raising his biological son and his adopted 5 orphans. The loner Batman from the movies is almost a completely different character than the one I've been reading for over 30 years.