Amazon Games To Publish The Next Big MMORPG In The West
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Throne and Liberty, NCSofts long overdue project TL, will be published in partnership with Amazon Games. Good? Bad? Maybe?
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Ah yes, Amazon and NCsoft, surely such a partnership won't fail, just look at their illustrious lineup! /s
Yeah look how much staying power New World had.
lineage2 is probably best game in the genre , the fuck u talking about?
True the amount off people that play there games are unreal
I mean Lost Ark is published by AGS and still #4 most played game on Steam over a year after release...
@@wyqydsyqMost of those 'players' are bots.
Kira thank you so much for uploading. I don't look forward to much these days, but I feel genuine excitement when I see you upload a new video - I don't even read the titles anymore before clicking into them. Thank you for all of the content and making everything stressful in my life melt away for a little while. Really grateful for all you do.
That's a real gem of a comment to read. My pleasure bruv
As someone who has never played an MMORPG in my life and only followed news on MMORPGs, I have to say the expectations of this genre is frankly disturbing high in comparison to the reported reality.
They have to be, because everyone already has their favorite MMO, so you have to promise them the moon to get them to try yours. This sets up expectations that you can’t meet, and then your game dies a few months after release or when a WOW expansion or FF story update drops and your players go back to their normal game. It’s like having a favorite pizza place. You could put one next door to me, and I’d try it. But I’d eventually go back to ordering from the old place, because that’s exactly what I like.
Not only highly unrealistic expectations but the most expensive and complicated genre in gaming, no wonder we get so many duds
Back in the day, that is late 90s through the 2000s, mmorpgs were amazing. Not so much because of the content to be honest, these could be pretty bland repeat-raid/dungeon-until-you-get-gear-you-want-to-drop kind of games. What made them great were the communities. You have to realize that this was before reddit, facebook, twitter etc. You had your guild and the connections there were really close since these games relied on a lot of team play to succeed in the hardest content.
Many people want to go back to those kind of times and games but that just won't happen. The environment on the net has changed. Companies have changed. Consumer expectation has changed.
Because we're constantly promised the world then given a small bag of shit instead, and if it's an Eastern based MMORPG, we have to buy the bag in the cash shop to hold the shit.
There was one a time where the quality of the drugs I like to cram into my system were the more "iffy" buy. these days? i can certify quality of drugs and recommend against getting high on your hopes for a new video game. its that bad.
*HERE IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN:*
*People want something new, they will try out the game when it launches, maybe spend a few hundred bucks.*
*When the "Honeymoon phase" is over, they see that this Game is EXACTLY like all other South-Korean Games,*
*Consisting of Daily Chores and Lottery Gameplay to keep up - they realize their old game wasn't so bad and Quit.*
Ah, the same ol' story. Never gets old.
dont forget amazon playing school nun with all of the female clothing.
it has console release tho,so i think this game might survive for quite some time.
I will eat my hat if this games ends up living up to its promises. And I don't even own a hat. I will buy a hat and eat it.
!RemindMe 3 months
!RemindMe 2 months
Amazon you have your own broken game to worry about already
This is the same company that insists Rings of power is a quality show.
There is no hope to be found here
9:00 there is also what GW2 did initially with overflows. You could argue that it sucks not being able to play with your server while on an overflow but it is still better than not being able to play at all especially if you weren't planning to do any activity that was going to requiring being in a specific server.
NCsoft, master of shutting down profitable games once they're old, partnering with Amazon, master of shutting down games before they launch? How will they agree on when to kill a project?
Yes Kira. I was screwed over by NCSoft way back when B&S still had an esports scene to speak of, and I am looking forward to Throne and Liberty. I only have fond memories of my dad and I playing LIN 2 so... going to pray that this isn't one of those nostalgia trips.
Even if Kira padded the time of the video to 30 minutes in order to get the ad revenue, I would have watched it in it's entirety. That is how much I respect him as an honest creator, and how much I love his content!
lmao legend
Gotta respect his honesty saying straight up he's padding out 8 mins for ad revenue. Fair enough. _settles in to watch the whole thing_
NCSoft + Amazon what a match
MMORPG that’s fully cross-play is going to be a game changer. Finally Console & PC playing together that alone is going make people try it out.
I love the idea that the piss-in-bottles company that will fire you faster than the ambulance arrives somehow has our interests in heart and is a white knight against monetisation. How detached from reality do you have to be for that.
Honestly -- having played through several Korean games published by publishers 'who supposedly cared' it's much better for Amazon to just concentrate on the servers and not screwing up the billing. There is never enough servers on day of launch and there is always too many a few months in. I can remember hours of queues for Wow for months at the beginning. There will always be some kind of 'pay to win' because the definition changes based on the players perspective. Ultimately, games cannot be free so in some way players need to pay. That said I'm hoping it's not horrid pay to win.
"We have to fill the void so I can get to eight minutes" - Kira being honest instead of playing the YT game...
Could you please put your second channel in the channels tab on this account. Making it easier to check both your channels for fans of yours. 🙏♥️
Yes, I see no reason to not do this. When I discover a channel and watch a few videos of its back catalogue, I also look at the Channels tab to see what other channels the creator has or if they're old school enough to just list channels they like in there.
NCSoft.. what a blast from the past. I loved Wildstar, the mismanagement and piss-poor advertisement of it killed what could've been an incredible game.
My prediction dead after 1-2 months of its release.
Don't forget the gorillian videos telling you why you should be hyped for this game listing the same 3-4 reasons stretched out over 10 minutes long each.
@@RUclipsCommentor1 haahah yes the clickbait 10 reasons why we should all be hyped about it
New world,lost ark etc etc.....
New World 2.0?
As a console pleb myself I wouldn't say it that it will be dead by any means on console since for the most part (on PS) we only got ESO, Terra and thats it for MMORPG's... People on console would play that shit all day long even if you could buy your own mother in the store :P
It's funny hearing you talk about a company I used to work for. (Not NCSoft or Amazon Games)
Are they going to stick the Asia server in Australia like they did with New World?
So as a LA player: The good thing about AGS is that they push for minimum compliance with EU gambling laws. Meaning open odds, forceful addition of pity where needed and non-p2w lootboxes. You'll still have lots of MTX, but the big spenders that would drain 10-100 thousand USD with no upper limit in asian releases are gone. The bad thing is that they have no technical support; Bad anti-cheat configuration (BDO and LA both use EAC yet somehow only in LA it sucks massive donger) and lastly they have no fucking clue how to prepare for MMO releases. They don't know how many servers they'll need, which means with initial new MMO hype you'll be looking at queues/crashes like back during early WoW expansion releases.
Selling things below cost with the intent to squeeze out competitors from the market is known as predatory pricing, and is illegal in most countries. Just an FYI.
I'm just going to play blue protocol JP side. So I won't have to deal with amazon's bizarre propensity for "modernizing the product".
The JP devs already said that they have no intentions of letting the game deviate from their own creative vision regardless of the region. But regardless, if AGS keeps up their work of actually improving monetisation and removing gacha elements like they did in Lost Ark, I'll take that any day over a few changed skin tones.
As someone who has been playing Lost Ark since launch, I honestly cannot think of a more incompetent bunch of fumbling potatoes than the people helming AGS. It is sad to see they are getting more games to ruin.
Lost Ark itself is obviously still hard P2W in all regions, but there have been some changes in its monetisation compared to the Korean version, the most notable one being the complete removal of the costume gacha system that's in KR (Yoz's Jar). It came with its own problem, as Global was now unable to obtain certain costumes, but that's a solvable issue. Aside from that, I believe there have been some more minor changes like changing the currency for claiming extra rewards after dungeons/raids to gold and removing mileage, which was a 2nd currency you'd earn from real money purchases and would reward exclusive cosmetics for excessive spending.
"the most notable one being the complete removal of the costume gacha system that's in KR (Yoz's Jar)" Holy shit this is the state of modern gaming.
Anyone who supports Lost Ark suffers from sunk cost fallacy anyways.
@@Nico78Not Not sure what you're getting at with the first part, but yeah there's a reason the player count is stagnant and has mostly people left who have played since launch.
Honestly as someone that recently quit Lost Ark (and sunk way too many hours into the game) , Amazon did have plenty of issues but the playerbase blames amazon for issues that come from smile gate . Overall a decent game doe with an awful community .
@soundbubble you are false. I'm not arguing about the p2w part although I do say that you can keep up as a f2p perfectly fine. However Yoz's Jar wasn't p2w and you can get the skins for in game gold which in KR costs about 40-60k gold in game ( for reference just from raids alone on a weekly basis you get over 130k gold ) . Besides that is not the only option to get legendary skins. You can dismantle other skins and craft a random skin with it and that can be legendary as far as I know.
End of the raid rewards were changed by Smile Gate and it was way before it released in the west. They changed it and even said it on their Loaon that it is X part of their revenue but to fight gold inflation it will be changed for the better and they will take the revenue loss .
The only thing AGS changed was the skins being censored, introduced black characters which was previously asian in every other version, renamed bosses and they changed how the pet bonus reroll is not RNG but you can select it for a given amount of crystals. They also made the Crystaline aura buyable with crystals and tied the pet function to it which is nice but most of it is useless and essencially you are paying more if you only want the pet bonus and not the aura itself.
Can we have a moment in silence for all the concepts and dev teams who have tragically perished under Amazon Games? and perhaps an intervention to help anyone still considering publishing their game with them?
Some WoW servers have actually been stopped through the years due to low populations,they offer a Free transfer to other realms when this happens
Tbh, I’ve tried a couple MMOs but nothing really scratches the itch like OSRS
EA is a third-party publisher. Owning their development studios or not (which they don't do with all their partners) is not the key factor. Third-party publisher in a gaming context is any publisher that doesn't also have a console of their own they're selling and creating more or less exclusively for. So Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo are the first-party publishers (with Microsoft now also getting all their games to PC and Sony also starting to port some to PC with a time-delay), third-party is any other publisher who creates games for these consoles they don't control.
My prediction, "It's even funnier the second time!"
I was cautiously excited until the very first frame of the video seeing "NCSoft". At least it was a nice feeling while it lasted
Everytime I hear "next big thing" I feel a trainwreck coming
wow so amazing
let me guess "we won't have automated banning purely based on reports and not humans investigating" just like they "didnt" have it for their other games.
The fact that amazon with their technically limitless resources cant seem to get a MMORPG to work is one of the main reason why I never will have any kind of faith in a Kickstarter or any Dev's First game MMO.
The experience and management is what makes or breaks a MMO.
At some point we have to ask ourselves if the concept of MMOs is still viable.
Still viable, the shareholders are the problem. There are still many great games out there that are just run like shit.
I mean GW2 did it not too long ago. Along with tons of decently middle success games. The idea of a new game being an insta WoW killer isn't viable. But you don't measure a game's success based on if it instantly becomes the #1 game in it's genre. Imagine if every shooter released had to beat COD or be called a failure.
@@matthewsaari6577 I think the best think you can do with an MMORPG is to not try to please everyone. Focus on what makes your game unique and fun, and keep it within that scope. Star Wars Galaxies should of tried to expand the original Sandbox approach of their MMORPG instead of trying to chase the WOW formula.
The MMO genre itself isn't unviable, but new ones are often being developed and managed by people who don't understand what makes MMOS work. Every new MMO is now competing for that much-lauded "Wow killer" spot, hoping to be the next big hit like FFXIV that will carry the company and its other projects on MMO revenue alone, and in doing so they've defacto eliminated the 'middle-class" of MMOS. Whether from unrealistic expectations from the shareholders or the developers, an MMO is now either competing with the WoW/FFXIV-tier heavyweights, or a complete flop.
Doesn't help that they don't seem to understand why WoW and FFXIV are so popular in the first place either. They're games with low barriers to entry that appeal heavily to a wider player base because of how approachable they are, whereas a lot of AAA MMO projects these days will have incredibly obtuse gearing, questing, leveling, monetization, or other miscellaneous systems that drive off the larger casual playerbase. This would be fine if being just modestly successful was okay, because those kinds of games can be supported by a smaller playerbase, but because every MMO has to be a top-tier revenue powerhouse, it will fail.
The MMO genre has outlived itself a bit in the sense that a lot of games being labelled MMOs are hardly such and that game design is easier without pursuing the genuine, proper MMO idea too much.
Take Destiny 2, Warframe or Path of Exile for example. I'm 100% sure they have the "MMO" tag on Steam. Yet they depend >heavily< on instancing. Especially PoE is effectively "just" a Diablo 1 or 2 of sorts. Beyond the social hubs aka lobbies aka chat rooms with graphics nothing in PoE is even remotely persistent or shared with even a handful of people. But back in the day no one ever called Diablo 1 or 2 "MMO". So one could ask: Do we have many more MMOs nowadays or have we simply shifted away from them and their core principles, willingly or unwillingly?
Gameplay-wise there is only so much that you can do in MMOs. If you have 100, 1000, 10.000 players in one zone, then what could they realistically do? MMOs are parading numbers, scam-y titles like Dreamworld use huge and countless as their USPs. But unless your goal is all-out PvP warfare it makes little sense to have too many people in one area. There is almost no good gameplay that would support such numbers. This is why even more genuine MMOs are intentionally throttling down the players per zone despite the technology allowing more. But if numbers don't matter, and persistency neither, if by the logic of some even a CoD or Battlefield could pass as MMOs - then what's the point of even using that label in the first place?
i was hyped for Blue Protocol but since it will be published by Amazon i won't even touch it with a stick
You do a great job of explaining things and not being hyperbolic.
Being hyperbolic is the fruit of life and the only way to get stronger in a short timeframe
I dont want to have to do this, but, Kira's real name is Alex Melton, check out his other channel on youtube under the same name
wish I could sing like that, but ain't me bud sorry to say, doesn't even look similar except the facial hair colour
Bro. You get that ad revenue and feed me some gaming news, im good with that.
Can't believe you didn't list Dreamworld when talking about games with a megaserver lol
Hey I play new world with my 2 bothers and we having a lot of fun, play it everyday 4 to 5 hours and all day when we are off in the weekend. We moved from Lotro to new world and it was the right decision for us.
Yeah, when u reach end game it’ll take 2 weeks tops to quit, enjoy leveling while it lasts
@@ensar3752 we are not leveling we are 625 doing m10 and opr every week and we love the game.
I was going to say "Wait, Amazon are making an actual game?"...of course not, that's not what their game studio does...
Is it the New World killer? Y'know, New World, the super successful mmo by Amazon Game Studios?
It is illegal in the retail market to sell under cost to gain an advantage in the market. So if doing that Amazon will get a visit or subpoena at some point. If you don't believe that just ask Walmart they got sued and lost on it in the past.
The retail market and game industry are not the same.
Can't wait for Newer World!
Amazon Games is like japanese writing. You get two words together and it spells out disaster.
Just some thoughts (rather questions) aloud:
What is actually needed for an MMORPG to be sustainable in the long run? Of course people like their MMORPGs free, but maybe subscription-based model is the answer to all of it after all? It seems to provide a stable income over time and if the developers aren't greedy the pricing of the subscription can be calculated to be just enough to cover the expenses of running the game's servers for N concurrent players on average and M employees with salary. This means there's also possibility of avoiding strong P2W content, which company would otherwise put in to compensate expenses and milk it after.
In regards to engineering team, could it even consist of non-senior developers? In other words, is it even possible for a greenhorn team to make a startup making an MMORPG, or is it just too advanced of a genre, that has too much technical and engineering complexity, to finish it without a pretty sizeable and experienced team? And if it's not a greenhorn team, is only the management the problem?
Am I wrong in assuming companies don't do this intentionally? Is it simply a case of corporate greediness, where investors and management prefer a short-lived MMORPG game making tons of money in the first few months (years?) through cash grabs and then drop dead to a long-running project? "Get rich quick vs. steady job"? Min-maxing on a higher level?
Subscriptions used to be the normal way to play MMOs. Only comparatively few MMOs still have them, and more often than not they are basically optional. They were dropped for reasons. I doubt those reasons vanished. So I'm not seeing them return too much.
The problem with subscription models is that they form a pretty high barrier of entry, especially for younger players who may still be financially dependant on their parents.
People wont want to pay for a subscription to something they dont know theyll stick around with long term, even back in the day when it was basically the standard for mmo's there were probably a fair few games that just failed to properly get off the ground because of that model.
@@TheSpeep Makes sense, it isn't hard for me to agree, because I myself, being a young student, can't really justify FFXIV subscription in my current situation. I started the 30-day trial, but played only 5-6 days of it, so it wouldn't be worth paying up for monthly sub. I know Trackmania (racing game) has a bit different subscription model in the sense that for 10 doubloons ($) you get a whole year of subscription, but without some extra features like creating clubs (clans). Essentially different tiers. Granted the game is much simpler than MMOs, but perhaps it's also worth looking into subscription tiers. One can probably finish an MMORPG main questline, side-quests and play a fair amount of end-game content while paying 20-30 doubloons ($) for 6-12 months play time, which amounts to about the same commitment level as just buying the game I think.
@@TheSpeep That being said, here's another crazy idea, leaning even more into the idea of subscriptions - MMORPG-as-a-service (MaaS lol): billing players only for the time they played, essentially making the players pay for as much resources of the infrastructure as they used, also accounting for the price of storage their characters take up + some profit
EDIT: The pricing model doesn't matter in the end of the day. I am just confused about how the developers of MMORPGs can profit from the game without putting a price tag on it and WITHOUT micro-transact'ing the shit out of it. (Every free MMO ever, I swear.)
It's simple - many disadvantages while lesser earner than P2W.
People with time don't have money. People with job don't have time. Huge fomo, because it's your money, you feel obligated to play game.
When it's "F2P", then you have whales (i.e. Diablo immortal case), so one person can earn you way more than thousands of subscriptions. Bigger numbers, because multiple accounts are a thing and people in general might try it when it's F2P.
So you are getting a lot easier marketing and, sadly, Koreans seems to love P2W
Well I will probaply take a look, cause I will look at most mmorpgs that look interesting.
Then again, Amazon AND NCSoft - that cant be good
I didn't try their 1st MMO.
I won't be trying their 2nd MMO.
How long did the 1st one last again? Forgot it's name already. New Order? Next Order? Out of Order?
Amazon Games seems like a reverse King Midas to me: Everything they touch turns to shit.
I'll check it out. The previews have me thinking it shares some similarities with GW2 given NCSoft owns the developer of GW2. I liked GW1 and GW2 and they do some things really well, some things poorly. Hopefully Throne and Liberty takes more from the things Guild Wars has done really well.
There's always the danger with a Korean game there will be heavy pay to win convenience but you never know, it might not be too bad. Hopefully they handle servers like Guild Wars 1 and 2 and that can teach Amazon how to handle things for New World. I think one of the big blunders in New World is the rigid nature of servers. It was difficult to join my friends and I didn't have a transfer token so I stopped playing. There were other problems to be sure but one big and consistent problem for New World has been your ability to find people to play with... in an MMO...
I would not be hoping too much that throne and liberty learns from arena net. Guild wars 2 has been VERY hands off from ncsoft. It also is not a Korean mmo like most of ncsoft’s games.
I remember when MMOByte shilled this as the MMO that would be better than both WoW and FFXIV. I saw NCSoft and laughed. Competition is good, but it ain't coming from them.
I'm looking to giving it a shot. I'm not holding my breath for fair monetization, but even P2W games are usually fun for a little bit before you hit the point where the company starts turning the screws.
solid take
Lineage II was my main squeeze for so many years, so I definitely look forward to checking out Throne and Liberty. If the game is heavy p2w, then I probably won't stick with it, but I won't reject the product before even knowing what it is. At worst I waste a dozen hours and at best I have a great time.
About the Server issues: why not have 3 servers each that you say from the beginning are gonna get merged after X amount of time?
That way everyone is aware of the changes that are coming and everyone can still enjoy the game right at launch.
But that costs money. Its easier for this profit quarter to release as is and then promise server fixes while having the one tech on your payroll slowly figure out how to materialize another server farm from the air as hes not gonna be given any money for it until next fiscal quarter.
NCSoft, so it'll have the copy+paste systems from all their other games for enhancements. Packages you can buy to skip the grind but only in small chunks at a time. Nice SSS+ weapon! but you'll need to roll it 25 more times to increase it's star ranking, then you can evolve it and then merge it with others... When it all goes to sh!t and the money stops, NC will just kill it like they've done to last few 'games' they've released.
Not to mention Amazon so you'll have a 50/50 chance of randomly getting banned for succeeding in that enhancement and then get a copy/paste response from support that has absolutely no reason for your stated ban when you ask them what actually happened.
As soon as I hear the words "cash shop" I am OUT. Which is probably why I don't play MMORPGs anymore.
... Didn't they already fuck up an MMO launch and basically abandon its roadmap?
“Hey, I’ve seen this one”
YES! I love dumpster fires!
I think the only game I've played that resembles an MMO is Need for Speed World. But yeah, Amazon games will do great! Just look at their last game. /s
tbh, I'd be okay with it if Amazon Games would actually fix the region selection issues that have been plaguing Lost Ark for months for some people and the only "fix" for it just takes to much effect to do every single time I wanna play. I don't understand why they've not attempted to fix the issue.
They need to fix the dc issues too. It's really annoying to get kicked out of the game because EAC is having problems.
As a dedicated mmorpg player who played both New World and Lost Ark, I have to make an announcement here for the folks:
RUN, DON'T LOOK BACK, JUST RUN AND STAY AWAY AS FAR AS POSSIBLE.
Omfg I hope AGS got better because I didn't have a good experience with them like, at all.
So for Lost Ark as an example Pets are a premium exclusive only. You can rent them but otherwise they are paid only while they are free in the west. The Korean Version also has Currencies that are only obtainable by spending while you could earn them in the west by gameplay and they are less impactful.
Now im not an expert in Lost Ark but that's the Things i know so i think it is worth looking a bit into it.
Ok now we know why Amazon killed the smile program. They wasted money by hiring a clueless relative manager who wasted half a billion
There are differences between monetization of Lost Ark between Asia and the West for sure. Havnen't played it for a while but they had whole paid systems that were not added to the western version and were instead changed completely, with some rewards from these systems being offered through gameplay.
Also you can't make game "too soft" for Western audience. I still blame Nexon NA (i guess it were they) for giving away so many things in Raiders of Icarus. Dungeons were very hard and ... they decided to give away things for free in hope of getting more people onboard. (Or maybe game was weak itself, but for me it stopped being fun when they started doing so)
I uh will never ever give NCSoft my money again - Yes, I am still salty about CoH/V. Fuck em
They couldn't properly make or keep up one MMORPG (New World), so now they want to move into publishing one...
I hypothesize that this game will be dead a year after release.
Publish. Not make. They also didn't make lost ark.
@@RUclipsCommentor1
Thank you for the correction.
TBH, in the case of Lost Ark, I am not sure if SG or AGS are responsible for the numerous fuck ups. We do not know to what extent AGS has control over the game. Also, it is rare nowadays for a dev/publisher to have a quick response to issues affecting the game. People are going to say owh, but the dc issue lasted for months. True, but it got resolved for the most part. Most MMO dev/publishers do not even bother fixing that, let alone the smaller bugs/issues.
Probably gonna be dead after a year, but not because it's AGS, but because it's a PvP-heavy KR MMO made by NCSoft and a spiritual successor to Lineage. Honestly, AGS currently is the single ray of hope that it doesn't turn into a P2W nightmare as NW still has none and they at least reduced certain P2W aspects in Lost Ark, although it still obviously is.
@@RUclipsCommentor1 AGS made New World though?
because they've done so well before.
ah yes, "Korean MMO" and "Amazon Games", the biggest red flags that exist.
not falling for either of them this time i'm afraid, not after the extensive history of both of these terms.
Don't worry, amazon will change the game to fit the "western audience". Like what they did to shadowhunters in lost ark.
Throne and Liberty is already made from the beginning to fit the "western audience", it was already said during the latest dev video.
Good news Kira, thanks!
I’m sure it will be as good as their last 1.
I love seeing my reddit post on Kira video :D
Probably the 3th or 4th already, i'm feeling famous
I'm still upset over Crucible. I spent hundreds of dollars on the game, and even though they refunded everything I spent, I rather have the game instead.
man the average quality of these mmo games is so low, wonder what the 'next big thing' will be, and I don't mean popular for 2 weeks. Aside from GW2 the only games I put a lot of time into in the past 10 years was Tera and to a lesser extent BDO and Blade and soul, those 2 feeling like singleplayer games where you'd occasionally see another player, which did enhance the experience but wasn't really integral to my experience. In Tera there was genuine social interaction with people that could speak the same language, but that game was B tier at best. Guild Wars 1 and probably WoW were A tier games.
Its SO SAD when games pull the pay-to-win card and everyone's just like, "meh, it is what it is."
We have lots of youtubers and streamers that show us the lowdown on what we're getting ourselves into.
It's seriously depressing that we already know the game's gonna be a hot mess with pay-to-win features, but for some reason, people still play that junk. I don't get it, but whatever floats their boat, I guess.
next level honesty, take my like
Ncsoft lost my trust years ago with aion when 4.0 dropped. They never cared about na/eu or their players even back in 2009-2012 days
These reasons are pushing me out of MMOs in general, tbh. Thinking I'll probably stick to single payment games with multiplayer options. Tired of feeling like a captive audience for microtransactions.
Introduced a friend to MMOs about a year ago, felt great for a while seeing them through the eyes of someone new to it all, but really quickly started to feel predatory. Welcome to the leech farm!
Better off playing shit like Valheim, or GTA online again.
Yeah because Aamzon's last MMO was great...
Amazon made that. They didn't make this.
I honestly can't wait for this game 🤷
You are completely wrong the Korean version of Lost Ark is drastically more pay to win than West. Amazon did try to cut as much of it out as they could.
After Lost Ark, I am all set with this one. Quite happy playing other genres at this point anyway.
Yeah, fix Lost Ark first
@MOT Amazon will also publish Blue Protocol bro 😆
@MOT Yes it's legit. I spent 1k hours on New World and 2k hours on Lost Ark so I can safely say that stay away from anything Amazon gets their hands on.
@@MOT_MOTYep. It's been delayed though. And they've confirmed that they are going to be changing it for Western audiences.
Didn't they fumble their shot with New World already?
Oh god Amazon isn't having another go at it are they?
I quit playing Lost Ark as soon as I saw how pay to win it was.
Is a shame because the game was actually pretty decent.
I hope they dont fucking destroy this game by introducing shitty exp boosts and other pay to win systems. But it being a Korean MMO and my extensive NCSoft past it will probably be pay to win.. I miss Lineage 2..
Regardless of the game play, New World has the best graphics of any game bar none.
My understanding is that Lost Ark in the east is actually worse. It might be a stretch to say Amazon is fighting against poor monetization, but I think there were a few lines they thought people wouldn't accept in the west, so they tweaked the recipe a bit. It's all still P2W though, just on a spectrum
so New World didnt make them think twice about promoting another "next best thing"?
Wait what happened to that other game that they released like a year ago?
Ah great. It'll require Amazon accounts!
Lost Ark is plagued with bots. AGS can't stop people botting. People use bots because it's a p2w game and as such they can make real world money from selling in game gold they're harvesting with their bots. Throne and Liberty is most likely going to be the same if it's typical Korean mmo p2w and AGS are publishing it.
Oh gods the bots T.T
Sounds neat, i don't knowingly give money to amazon.
Can't wanit until they release it and the economy gets fucked in seconds again for the lifetime of the game
Amazon games? Alright, I've heard enough no thank you.
I don't get it. Haven't MMO's already proven themselves to be a huge risk? Or is developing an MMO a great way to launder money?