Always keep your eyes out the window, kids. I've flown with about a thousand different pilots, and way too many of them spend way too much time not looking out the window. For the video maker. You've got the airplane landing on Runway 33 at Anchorage Airport (PANC), not Runway 32 at Lake Hood (PALH). Personally, I would have chosen to land at ANC on the paved runway. Without a wheel, you'd fare better on the pavement because you'd slide. On a dirt or gravel runway, anything other than a wheel can dig in and potentially flip you upside down or depart the side of the runway.
Unless I missed it, N23B never declared an emergency. He should have done so then informed ATC of his intentions and let them clear the airspace. Glad he survived, sorry to hear of this incident and the other casualties.
If the Cessna has one u/c leg torn off there could well be structural damage to the lift-strut attachment point. If I'd been flying that aircraft I'd have made getting back on the ground my number one priority and not be pushed around by controllers
Its not BS. Tower has no clue what the situation is from the pilots perspective. Its on the pilot to declare an emergency and land as soon as possible depending on the aircraft condition
I don't like how the Controller is flying this airplane. The Pilot has a serious emergency after a mid air collision and should put the aircraft on the ground ASAP. There is no telling what is wrong or could be presenting at any second. This Controller giving him instructions to hold and circle around is absurd. The Controller should be asking if the Pilot wishes to circle. The Pilot should have declared an emergency and they he can do whatever he needs to do and the Controller follows his lead.
@@lmfarms4611 No your wrong- in such an emergency there is no procedure. Having a controller access damage is something a pilot requests to learn learn more information to make better decisions.
@@themitt5190 Right- don't land here yet even though your airplane is about to disintegrate because the fire trucks aren't here yet. Thats an insane premise. Folks -get the airplane on the ground as soon as possible and tell the controllers what you need.
Makes me wonder how prevalent texting and flying is , it was bad enough in the eighties without smart phones , my girl friend at the time were flying to Santa Barbara from orange county John Wayne airport at 6500 feet through the la corridor and about right over Torrence and Hawthorne a guy in a piper lance came up at us from behind and missed us by about maybe 10 feet , I still remember his face , it wasn't long after that that I quit general aviation , it was in 1985 when it happened , so I went into ultra lights and had a lot of fun four about 5 years , 😊then got involved in circle track racing asphalt and dirt , would still consider ultra lights again only if i could aff😊ord both circle track and ul😊tra lights , my favorite one wad the avenger front engine eith 6 positive gs and 4 negativ😊e gs caoabili😊
What about the 207? How many onboard? Did they survive? I get why the 207 didn’t call mayday, but 23B never called “emergency” or mayday. It changed how the ATC handles the incident aircraft. Don’t get me wrong, he did everything else right, aviate navigate communicate, in that order for good reason. Congratulations on surviving a midair crash and a “crash landing”.
@@SpidaMez if neither of them had it why do you think your comment is relevant? I'm sure if one or both of those aircraft had it the collision would have been avoided entirely
The Cessna 175 was fortunate he saw the Cessna 207 in time to pull back and only damage his landing gear. Definitely saved his life.
N23b.. You Sir are an absolute rock star
I grew up old school flying, look, look, look, we didn't have ipads, only charts. Some aircrafts still don't use ADS-B.
Exactly 👍 . I say that all the time.
Head on a swivel-not on the ipad
Always keep your eyes out the window, kids. I've flown with about a thousand different pilots, and way too many of them spend way too much time not looking out the window.
For the video maker. You've got the airplane landing on Runway 33 at Anchorage Airport (PANC), not Runway 32 at Lake Hood (PALH).
Personally, I would have chosen to land at ANC on the paved runway. Without a wheel, you'd fare better on the pavement because you'd slide. On a dirt or gravel runway, anything other than a wheel can dig in and potentially flip you upside down or depart the side of the runway.
Unless I missed it, N23B never declared an emergency. He should have done so then informed ATC of his intentions and let them clear the airspace. Glad he survived, sorry to hear of this incident and the other casualties.
ATC can declare it, and is evident they have by their words and actions
write him up in report and give your report to who ever wants to read it(nobody)
This guy actually has structural damage and he’s taking BS from the tower. What in the world I can’t believe this.
If the Cessna has one u/c leg torn off there could well be structural damage to the lift-strut attachment point. If I'd been flying that aircraft I'd have made getting back on the ground my number one priority and not be pushed around by controllers
Its not BS. Tower has no clue what the situation is from the pilots perspective. Its on the pilot to declare an emergency and land as soon as possible depending on the aircraft condition
Crazy, I know. It's like having an ex-wife guide you in
@@FlightX101 23B should have called mayday...
I don't like how the Controller is flying this airplane. The Pilot has a serious emergency after a mid air collision and should put the aircraft on the ground ASAP. There is no telling what is wrong or could be presenting at any second. This Controller giving him instructions to hold and circle around is absurd. The Controller should be asking if the Pilot wishes to circle. The Pilot should have declared an emergency and they he can do whatever he needs to do and the Controller follows his lead.
The procedure after a coalition is to fly over the tower so that the controller can access the damage. Then land if possible.
@@lmfarms4611 gives the emergency vehicles time to get in place, too.
It appears to me he was having the aircraft hold until emergency equipment was in position
@@lmfarms4611 No your wrong- in such an emergency there is no procedure. Having a controller access damage is something a pilot requests to learn learn more information to make better decisions.
@@themitt5190 Right- don't land here yet even though your airplane is about to disintegrate because the fire trucks aren't here yet. Thats an insane premise. Folks -get the airplane on the ground as soon as possible and tell the controllers what you need.
Land ASAP end of story. Climb to 1500?! No way.
Single engine mentality bro, altitude is life. ABSOLUTELY CLIMB, I’d climb as high as possible.
Well that really explained a lot!!!
Makes me wonder how prevalent texting and flying is , it was bad enough in the eighties without smart phones , my girl friend at the time were flying to Santa Barbara from orange county John Wayne airport at 6500 feet through the la corridor and about right over Torrence and Hawthorne a guy in a piper lance came up at us from behind and missed us by about maybe 10 feet , I still remember his face , it wasn't long after that that I quit general aviation , it was in 1985 when it happened , so I went into ultra lights and had a lot of fun four about 5 years , 😊then got involved in circle track racing asphalt and dirt , would still consider ultra lights again only if i could aff😊ord both circle track and ul😊tra lights , my favorite one wad the avenger front engine eith 6 positive gs and 4 negativ😊e gs caoabili😊
Position reports vs communication....AQP for GA !
SO! What became of the OTHER aircraft in this mid air? Why no info on that?
FATAL Mid-Air COLLISION between two Cessna
Poof gone
It's in title and description. If you Google N91038 accident you get links. You can ho yo NTSB final report. One fatality.
What about the 207? How many onboard? Did they survive? I get why the 207 didn’t call mayday, but 23B never called “emergency” or mayday. It changed how the ATC handles the incident aircraft. Don’t get me wrong, he did everything else right, aviate navigate communicate, in that order for good reason. Congratulations on surviving a midair crash and a “crash landing”.
@@Plutogalaxy you must not have it either.
What the hell happened to the other pilot?
I thought he said he was missing his left ear.
Great action by ATC.
thats why you should never just rely on ADS-B
Did they all have ADS-B In?
@@garyvanremortel5218 nope
@@SpidaMez Not wise.
@@SpidaMez if neither of them had it why do you think your comment is relevant? I'm sure if one or both of those aircraft had it the collision would have been avoided entirely
@@themitt5190 you can still have your own ADS B for an ipad to track other aircraft. People use that method too much instead of visually seeing them
Lousy ATC, pure ignorance of an emergency aircraft pilots need.
He should have been directing them more as to what he was going to do.
Pilot should have declared an emergency. The word mayday holds a lot of power. ATC will only direct you in the flow otherwise.
@@RJM536 ATC declared it for him early on
do you have a flight yoke at your kitchen table and you simulate midairs all the time? good for you,your ready when your crash into your fridge....