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How Ranked 2.0 Works in Rainbow Six Siege - 6News
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What’s the point of having a “visual rank” if that rank doesn’t affect anything. Doesn’t that make rank pointless at that point 🤷🏻♂️
its a 'feel good' system when it comes to the visual ranking
@@lNiizz feel good if u have time to play and don't get cheaters in games
@@dorucreo it’s inevitable in a competitive game to have cheaters but i can tell you from experience, there are far less cheaters than previous seasons.
The sole reason to play ranked is packs. Rank does not matter, neither do backgrounds and charms (since visuals don't mean jack). Getting reset to 0 just cause it's "visual" is incredibly dumb and needs to be changed. It's annoying to climb 20h back up to old visual rank just to try and go higher (dunno how'd that go, since you get matched with peeps your level)
The new ranked system has never felt good for me. It feels fake, and meaningless. I don't feel good when I get 80 plus points for a win and - 4 for a loss, I feel lied to and like there isn't a way to tell how good I really am or how much I've actually improved or not
you never let me down Coreross, i wish to say the same from Ubisoft.
I find it hilarious how Ubisoft thinks mouse trap is gonna completely rid mnk. I love using my xim and making controller players rage quit.
@@haiz768 you sound like a very sad sad person.
@@B.Salcon Because I wanna win a competitive game by any means necessary??
@@B.Salcon This dude is baiting he's left the same comment like 50 times on different videos lol. So he is indeed a very sad person.
lol, patetic.@@mcspike5003
Fantastic video! The only thing this video didn't cover is that there's no longer any squad mmr restrictions since you can't see your rank, which does have potential to be abused and negatively affect matchmaking. People need to read the blogposts more though.
Video is already 20 min long so some things couldn't be talked about. Like the skill rating being hidden the way it calculates the difference in skill rating of a squad is also hidden and we do know they recently updated how its calculated but not how its calculated
Mannn stfu maciejay ur buns at r6
@@corerossyea maybe if u didnt read the whole reddit thread with monotone voice saying "VISUAL RANK DOESNT AFFECT YOUR SKILL RANK" every 20 seconds, maybe you could get some actually good info there.
Real eye opener for sure. I never even thought about the fact that if rank is only visual, then the player with diamond rank and a player with silver rank could be on the same skill level.
yes, you have to say, "silver for now with +100 gains"
whenever your rank is heavily going up in the beginning of the season (or if you dont play a lot) then that rank is not where youre supposed to be
The rank system when playing soloq shows how rank works, i.e. it doesn't work at all, because you have 50% to win and lose. The ranking system should evaluate the skills of the player, not the team, and CS GO is a good example here, because even if you lose, you can get promoted.
Yep, my biggest problem with ranked 2.0 is actually the ranked 1.0 system
2.0 has the potential to be incredible. I mean they already have the best metric for how well you are performing, the in game points system. Yet they don't use it...
That will lead to selfish play though even more than what we already have.
If that were the case, a game like CS GO would have gone out of business long ago/had a bad reputation for ranks and Valve would have quickly changed the rank system if it was bad, which it isn't. If you are still not convinced, they should make ranks the same as on Faceit, which is even better, this system is similar to the topic I discussed earlier.
Currently, there is no point in playing ranked, either solo or with friends. The current system shows that you have to have a very good 5-person team and give your all even after playing many matches, because then you fight for 3 mmr for a win, and if you lose, you lose 20/30. this system is very tragic for all players except pro players who play in the team, so they should listen to the players, not pro players. I won't mention the player pick-up system because it doesn't exist either and there is a Mix of Ranks, which shouldn't be the case in a ranked game.
To sum up, the ranks now mean nothing, because this mode is so broken that you can ask your champion friends to play with you, and at that time you can go afk or watch something on netflix and at the end of the season you will still get a higher rank than you deserve.
@adamhc4653
1.1 KD player in Plat/Emerald currently.
I'm the guy that sets up site, denies info, plays the objective and quite often clutch rounds because of this. Despite not being a crazy fragger due to issues I have as a player, I score at the top of the leaderboard in a majority of my games. (point wise)
So I don't think it would make players be more selfish, because if you play the game RIGHT you'll be rewarded and coincidentally, playing the objective, providing or denying information etc... All leads to more points, meaning you could ideally get pushed into a rank with like minded players if they used the point system.
Yesterday I duo queued with my friend. We’re both champ the last few seasons, and we’re d1 right now, we played against a team of all top 100 champs, and our teammates all have never even hit Diamond before. I don’t get the matchups like that
i saw players their peak ranks silver gold with a very low kd play against champs with high kd
A really fun thing about Ranked 2.0 is how my friend who I play every game with won a couple games without me in solar raid, as my old pc kept crashing, and now because of those COUPLE matches in the first season with ranked 2.0, he ends up a rank higher than me every season.
In a game where I top frag and he goes negative, he will always gain 2-5 RP more than I do. It is literally impossible for me to obtain a higher rank than him without playing without him, which I really can't be arsed doing because I find solo siege very boring.
If you always play together, your skill rating will tend towards each other though.
funnily enough that would actually be a problem with Ranked 1.0 too. even though they reset your rank every season it wasn't a full reset. they would average your final rank from the previous season with the "default" rank that's supposed to be the average of all players (i think it was gold 2 or 3). so even starting a new season your friend would be ranked slightly higher than you
@@LokNarash nah its been 2 seasons where the exact same thing has happened now, it's impossible for me to earn more rp per game than him
@@noahmarshall873 if it was a think in 1.0, it was much less prevalent, I used to have computer issues that would cause me to miss the end of a game often and the season I got my new pc it was fine, and we were both only about 30 mmr apart at the end of the season
I find it hilarious how Ubisoft thinks mouse trap is gonna completely rid mnk. I love using my xim and making controller players rage quit.
What I hate about this system is that if your hidden MMR is high it becomes a huge meaningless grind to get to your rank. The game gives you so many points for winning and takes away so little for losing that u don't even feel invested in the ranking process. This past season I played more or less 120 ranked games to get to emerald which is where the game thinks I belong. But the system doesn't reward u for trying to achieve higher ranks as it starts giving u almost no points for winning because the system determines that u have already reached your rank. Whereas before u got to ur "actual" rank faster and u could focus on trying to rank up, instead of having to grind through 100+ games of ranked before u can start to do so. If I'm an emerald player and I want to try and push myself to reach diamond (for example) I have to grind through hundreds of "pointless" games to get to that process, and not everybody can invest that much time into the game. I know rank isn't everything that matters and I obviously enjoyed many of my games during the past season, but the gamemode is called ranked for a reason, pushing yourself to get to a certain rank and having to make every game count because you can lose MMR is part of the thrill and the fun.
Yeah. I had a bad season last time, so this season I gain so little and lose so much. It makes ranked so unenjoyable because I can’t go anywhere. Even when I do well.
*YOUR VISUAL RANK HAS NO IMPACT ON MATCHMAKING* vs *DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BOARD THE HELICOPTER*
One correction in the video that I believe is still true from ranked 1.0, is that players queued together of differing skills will not have a disparity in how much they gain or lose from a match. It is only based off of the average of your team's MMR vs the enemy team's MMR, and how many games each individual player has played. This is because the advantage or disadvantage of having a ranked disparity on a team is already factored into the MMR calculations before the game starts. If a true diamond queues with four true golds, and they're matched against a team of five true plats/emeralds, and the game believes the plat team has a higher average MMR, the diamond player will gain more mmr than normal because the game perceives it as a more difficult win.
This also brings up the topic that everyone seems to ignore, which is that for the first time in several years boosting is just blatantly allowed cause anyone can queue with anyone. I'm a true diamond player but I play ranked with my IRL friends a lot who are gold-bronze and the game doesn't seem to care.
Ubisoft had said that only the player with the highest MMR in a party counts. So if a champ plays with a gold player, they get a champ lobby. I think they said that in the reveal video for Ranked 2.0.
@@chenny1209 pretty sure they didn’t say that. And it doesn’t do that.
@@kevinbrownsword9558 you are right, they said "Squad MMR Restriction was a necessary evil that we had to put in place to prevent some exploits in the system, but we know the importance of being able to play Rainbow Six: Siege with your friends. The separation between Skill and Rank now allows us to have different measures running on the backend to prevent those exploits without compromising your ability to play with your friends." what ever this means.
I find it hilarious how Ubisoft thinks mouse trap is gonna completely rid mnk. I love using my xim and making controller players rage quit.
@@haiz768It'd be funny to see u play on pc where u have mnk recoil and not console recoil with a xim, honestly hilarious
It seems like ranked 2.0 is about everybody having a 1.0 Win Loss
My ranked experience it's a mess. Enemy team is champion and my team is roatten flesh V
I feel like Ubisoft really doesn't know what they're doing
@boondogglet132 the art team can only pump so many $20 bundles
Throwing stuff at the wall until one sticks
Ubisoft is trying to compete with Nintendo for most oblivious developer
@@boondogglet132funny thing is they are on a budget
Indi company tho
thank you, bro, people are making it out to be something so sophisticated when really its not, each season is just working up to your "real rank" (all meanwhile the real rank also goes up) and you can see when it happens once you gain and lose the same amount
Thanks for that I was wondering as I went up to plat so quick and I could not understand why I got there so fast this time thanks for the video
one thing I'm pisseed about is a long time ago they removed the ability too see others states and rank
R6 tracker has been useful for discerning cheats and the like
If skill level went up by actual player stats(kills, deaths, assists, plants, wins and loss etc… instead of just Win/loss the game would be in a better place and you would see more players with the same skill matching up. This system encourages boosting and smurfing. If you want to hit a high rank you legit just need to play with people and communicate. Hidden MMR needs to go, keep the same RP system and make it actual SKILL based. The system is completely far gone at this point. Nobody going 0-5 auto piloting all rounds should be getting elo for legit being there. It’s a participation reward.
It’s wild that in this modern age of gaming and data collection that a better system does not exist. But prolly because it doesn’t encourage more money to be spent by the player base or something like that. It always comes down to revenue and profits.
@@underdoggaming22valorant does that more or less
We are almost a year into ranked 2.0 and people on reddit still don't understand how it works, I know the game doesn't explain it but just by reading the blog post and doing 2+2 is easy to understand, a bunch of wardens there.
The closer you're to finishing a full rank, the harder it gets to increase your rank points, and the points loss when losing is higher.
I understood what you were explaining in the video because that’s what Ubisoft said officially. However I think there is one phenomenon that Ubisoft‘s post doesn’t explain. According to Ubisoft, your visual rank is meant to converge to your hidden rank so if you’re below, you gain more than you lose and if you’re above, they artificially set a ratio of +25/-20. (Not sure if it’s still the case I’m going off of y8s1) So if this was the case, as you climb the ranks, you can expect a gradual decline in the amount of RP you win and a increase in the RP you lose. And once you hit your hidden rank, you can expect to have the same preset result each game. What I don’t understand is why is it that whenever I’m on a winning streak, my RP gain will always increase by 1 for each game I win, and vise versa for losing. For example, I would start the day getting +25/-20, and if I win 2 games in a row, I would get +27/-18. This happens at any point as I observed as well as numerous streamers including KingGeorge who made a RUclips video mentioning it. And to me is counter intuitive since as you win, you can always expect to be gaining less and less RP since the game wants to make sure you land at your rightful rank. And you will always lose less since the game should try to drag you back to where your hidden rank is. I hope my explanation makes sense. The only time the system works as it promises is when you maintain a 1:1 win/loss. I would love it if some one can help me understand this because I have given up trying to apply logic to this and simply regard it as a programming error. Because imo this one quirk makes the shown rank actually completely pointless apart from being an artificial incentive to play ranked and earn packs and charms.
Winning doesn't only affect your (visual) rank it also affects your skill (hidden rank). If you win you gain rank points as well as skill points. If you play a lot the system is pretty confident with its estimation of your skill and you will gain less and less skill points while you could still be gaining a lot of ranked points (e.g. after a rank reset every season). However if the system is not confident with its estimation of your skill you will gain a lot of skill points per win. Could it be that you are gaining skill points faster than you are gaining ranked points and therefor the gap between your rank and skill actually increases when you win? An increased gap would automatically have the system award you more rank points as the gap between those stats are exactly what the amount of gained rank points are based on.
Btw. everything said about winning games/gaining points also holds true for losing games/losing points.
It should also be mentioned that everything I just wrote and AFAIK everything Coreross said in his video is based off of information provided by Ubisoft. Ubisoft however is notorious for (intentionally or unintentionally) publishing wrong stats/info about R6. Rogue-9 uncovered countless of such cases.
Every time you win, the game adjusts your skill rating up. So the system thinks you are a higher rank than it thought before and this change gets reflected in the slightly different RP
@@LokNarash Indeed it does affect your hidden rank. But by that logic, it would mean the hidden rank adjustment is more significant than the shown rank adjustment and is not consistent because if you’re winning more and more RP for a win streak, that means your hidden rank increases at a higher rate than your shown rank as demonstrated by you gaining more RP per win. Also, if that’s truly the case, there is no justification for fixing the RP gain after a certain point because as Ubisoft stated, they artificially set an amount for each game after you reach your hidden rank so player can have “a sense of progression.”
@@hanslhansl thanks for the explanation.
The other thing I observed was I would say I probably play at emerald level and same with a friend of mine but he didn’t play ranked for a few seasons. During Y7S4 and Y8S1 we played a lot of ranked together with some champions. He gets hard stuck gold and took him 2 seasons to even get to plat while I got hard stuck diamond. But people in our lobbies have been diamonds/champs so if it is true that they dynamically adjust your hidden rank based on the lobbies we play in there is no way after 200-300 games played together my friend and I are still so far apart in our skill rating. Which should reflect on our shown rank too. But here we are hard stuck gold (under ranked) and diamond (over ranked)
@@paulzhu2467I have this issue too where my duo and I are basically the same skill level but he gets hard stuck low gold while I get plat. To make it worse we constantly verse emeralds or higher, sometimes win sometimes lose. What I dont get is how come our RP changes relfect the people we match with and against, is the matchmaking broken or is the rp change not working properly bc if the game matches me with emeralds should i not get the right amount of RP to get to emerald?
Siege on console is completely broken at the moment with all the M+K.
In ranked every enemy on every match . Wild
I said this on a video a month ago and people said mousetrap is working and I'm just bad😂😂
Mousetrap hasn’t worked since they implemented it. There has always been a work around. While it doesn’t actually work most people don’t know what an MnK player looks like and confuse it with high sensitivity controller players. Generally if you’re a lower actual rank then you’re not going against mouse players and if they happen to be a mouse player they’re awful. My advice is focus on what you can do better as a player because people will always cheat.
It’s a fair point, but only to a certain level. Me and my friends got to plat/emerald, tactics can only take you so far against m+k players who aren’t complete numpties
There’s definitely ways you can adapt your play against MnKs. I’m no where near the best mechanical player and I have slow sens yet I still get to top 2k each season. I definitely don’t do everything right either and I definitely defend some dumb decisions sometimes. Even the best players have things to learn and can make better decisions. At the same time it is a team game so you can only do so much with 3 donuts on your team.
I didn't know rank changed so I was confused when I started in copper thanks for the video.
Thanks man, I totally needed this. It's so difficult to know what nonsense is real.
Trust in CR
So in conclusion the snowball effect is really high when you consider it happens like this it just hard drop the player who already is down even if he got decently well performing right after crippling his ability to perform better long term
For 20 minutes straight bro's been saying "your visual rank has no impact on skill rating or matchmaking" yet nothing about how this skill rating works
he literally explained exactly how skill rating works
Great video.
Thank you and cheers.
As a programmer, I have researched everything I can about the matchmaking system.
I’ve found ways to abuse the ranking system due to RP and hidden MMR being separate and hidden MMR not changed between seasons.
The last two seasons to both negatively affect my rank and position inflate my rank.
I was able to reach emerald 1 being nowhere near that skill level.
I honestly could reverse engineer the ranked 1.0 and 2.0 algorithms with relatively low effort.
I’d honestly like to program a ranked algorithm that factors in W/L as the main input method for data manipulation and match performance playing a minor role by multiplying the MMR increase and decrease to make solo queuing feel more fair if you’re carrying. But k/d wouldn’t be the main factor.
One thing that is apparent is that placements need to return, but I would choose a soft reset be used in between seasons within a given domain.
Balls
I remember the first season of ranked 2.0 I hit emerald easily but couldn’t play anymore to go even higher cuz of school so now every season I gain the same amount as a lose in emerald so it’s way harder to get out 🙄 it’s possible if I grind enough but I just can’t play that much anymore lol
Also mnk on console SUCKS 😭
Interesting video. How would you like the Ranked system to work?
As there are varied roles and a limited number of kills per round it seems to me keeping the ranking simple is the best way. For example how do you incorporate good calls that enable other people to score more kills into skill? Admittedly I am quite new to the game,, are kills spread quite evenly across players in pro teams?
The frustrating thing is the new system just makes me feel like I’m getting worse even though I’ve been playing since Burnt Horizon. I’ve understood how this system works, but it just makes you feel bad.
How does having a hidden mmr even sound fun?
Is that why every single game I've played this season has had champions from the previous season even though we're not even high rank yet (by the way I just don't play ranked too often)
When ranked 2.0 gets out I easily hit emerlad III while my friends only get Gold I an Plat V. Now after a few seasons (I end every season in Emerald III) I can see how much friends are catching up, they got Emerald V an Plat I
When they announced the new ranking system in one of their videos they said the problem with the old system is that it tries to predict your rank and then get you there and hold you there. As far as I'm aware thats exactly what ranked 2.0 does too so I don't get how that's any better. Anyway I deleted the game two months ago so may come back if it gets better.
23 minute video to know how ranked 2.0 works it’s almost like ranked 1.0 was better
Bikinibodhi linked me this video and it was very helpful thank you
in simple terms from what i found out in tdm (i was top 50 in tdm and tracked it every day)
high kill count + kd + win = a lot of skill points
high kill count + kd + loss = a bit of skill points
low kill count + kd + win = no skill points or negative skill points (depends how bad your kills/death amount is)
low kill count + kd + loss = lose a LOT of skill points
for people who don't know, tdm back when mmr was visible gave more mmr for higher amount of kills and less deaths so better kd would mean more mmr based on the amount of kills ofc.
I was in top 50 ish mmr wise in tdm and tracked it almost everyday.
So what I think is that ranked 2.0 creates your baseline during your first 10 matches of ranked 2.0, if you never played ranked 2.0 before you gotta tryhard your kd and kills instead of just win/loss but if you have already played ranked 2.0 on your season you are screwed and your baseline is already set.
(also a loss with a high kill count + kd will actually give you mmr in tdm and I think it adds mmr to your baseline skill level aswell so just focus on that instead of winning)
you can't easily bamboozle your baseline skill if you already played a season of ranked 2.0 and just have to grind a high rank so it will shift you slowly each season.
before people comment and correct me, i am NOT talking about mmr gain.
this is purely the skill calculation that happens just ones and that is when you play ranked 2.0 for the very first time.
Why is it that I have never even made Emerald but often am in matches with people who have Diamond and Champ charms from recent seasons?
Cause you probably didn't play enough. A couple seasons ago there like 50000 champs or something crazy, all you had to do was play enough and they were handing it out like free candy. Unfortunately you can't now.
Felt that the skill rating is literally trash right now
its either because you are a emerald and just havent played enough ranked ti reach emerald or because of all the boosting going on. People are getting ranks they shouldn't be while queued with someone else then go play solo and get matched with and against their own skill rating but with a visual rank theyre not.
I am mid bronze to start this season. And have played a champion twice.
@@2dalmatians336before 2.0 what was your rank?
My brother, who I have never lost a 1v1 too. Is gaining points or whatever faster than me. We only play together but I have been playing longer. I used to only play ranked for the charm and now I think ranked thinks I’m a bozo
I just wish siege would do something similar to apex where getting kills or maybe winning a lot of rounds of the game but still losing the match would make you lose less mmr or even still able to go positive just a little amount. If i get 13 kills and we lose a overtime match point game, maybe i just lose 10rp or even go up 10rp for still doing good and putting up fight
Then that would make killing more of the objective than playing site. We don’t need more of a tdm meta already.
@goingindieEN true I get that too, just sucks when I always do good but have a shitty team that pulls me down, I can only solo queue with my living situation so it's dreadful I legitimately always get pro league enemies and garbage teammates
I got out of Copper into Bronze II and then the difficulty just got ridiculous. I have been getting kills and finishing top 2 despite loosing. I am now Copper III. I just can't get myself back up.
They should have it where if your not in your rank you get more elo to move past that rank faster and you shouldn’t be reset to copper v in the first place. You can rather have placement matches that can just drop you into your rank pretty much right away or have it where they set you back a couple ranks like from champion to diamond or emerald or from plat to gold or silver. Instead of everyone starting in copper at the beginning of the season. And for ranked rewards they can do something similar to rocket league that way you don’t just automatically earn next seasons ranked rewards.
I understood this from the start, don’t know how people got so confused
Likely the dunning-kruger effect
16:03 40 RP for a win and 30 RP for loss is standard RP change for most people at a 50% win rate per ubisoft blog.
Hey! I'm the diamond_1 guy from 3:45 I figured out that because my friend got a higher rank last season the game has been pushing his elo higher than mine to get to where he was last season! So once he gets to his rank last season his elo gets lesser and lesser
What rank you get last season has no impact on the system, its purely visual. He just simply has a higher skill rating
@@corerossI believe it has an impact because last season my friend got to silver I got to bronze V and I only got to bronze V because I didn't bother to go any farther. now, I started this season with getting allot of elo and as I got to my rank that I've gotten last season my elo started to increasingly slow down and you may say that "well that's because that's your rank" no I am a fairly decent player and have pretty good stats I'm definitely higher than bronze V literally all of my friends have experienced this they keep winning games and are improving since last season but their elo is slowing down when they reach their rank last season even if you had a 100 percent win rate your elo would still slow down once you make it to your rank the developers specifically made this a feature so that diamond would be out of copper lobby sooner so if you got diamond last season your elo at the start of the season will sky rocket and once you reach diamond dip significantly so yes people who are diamond one could only get to copper and get really low elo
@@corerossand yes I know that rank is now purely visual and all depends on hidden mmr this is why me and my friends gets lobbys with plats and diamonds and my team only has coppers its because "everyone's mmr is the same"
I wonder if this issue is exclusive to seige or if there are other "competitive" games where the players are dealing with this same kind of issue.
Pretty sure Apex has that kinda issue
2.0 just doesn't feel rewarding to me. Its not really about getting better as a player as much as it used to be but more about just playing a ton of games that really aren't that enjoyable. I know it was supposed to give motivation to play but ive played less ranked than ever before.
It's impossible to advance in rank. Ubi has hardlocked us for life.
Yea for me i dont have time for a lot of games so i will only be copper - Bronz from winning and losing 1-3 games per day
We need ranked 3.0 in 2024 badly
I almost think they should extend the concept of placement matches from Ranked 1.0 to Ranked 2.0 and simply hide your rank just like they do skill for the first few games. People would play more instead of seeing copper and giving up -- simply for anticipating what their visual rank is. Then, the game can have a target for ranking up: "win 2 more games to rank up" to add motivation.
Skill is hidden and RP gain/loss isn't shown past the post-game menu, so unless the main menu tells you how many games you need to rank up, it is impossible to calculate without going to a tracker website or paying attention to a particular tab in the post-game menu.
So instead of matchmaking rank, can you do a video based on the skilled rating?
The Skill rating is what is used for Matchmaking. It is the hidden MMR. The visual rank is not the Skill rating.
Common Coreross W
I used to be diamond every season and then stopped playing for a while.
Now I'm stuck in silver and barely get any elo every match although I get matched against players with a way higher rank
In ranked 1.0, it is based on how well you play. In ranked 2.0 it is based on how you improved over last season.
You can have champions who improved like crazy but are still not as good of a player as some copper/gold.
So in ranked 2.0, the visual rank is more of a representation of games played + skill rating (weighted towards games played). If your hidden skill rating correlates to a visual rank “cap”, then the more games you play will bring you closer and closer to your visual rank “cap”. If your skill level is based on wins and loses, the better your W/L the higher your visual rank “cap” will be. Thus giving you a higher rank. This seems fine to me. What’s the big deal?
I wish that one day I’ll hit gold because that’s the only achievement I need
Same 😂
I do think that if you play a lot of matches in a given season, maybe 100+, then your visual rank is probably a close estimate to your skill rating. Coreross is right that your visual rank doesn't have a bearing on your matchmaking, and I have plenty of friends who are good players and end in silver because they only played fifteen matches in a season, but when you get to the point that you are only getting +28 per win in visual rank, I think it does start to reflect the skill rating behind the scenes. Basically what Coreross said about reaching a 1.0 W/L.
Kind of. The skill rating can still be quite different than your visual rank even though you earn so little that you think you're where the game wants. I'm emerald 3, and I'm in games with diamonds and my MMR gain is more than loss, but not enough for the game to just out me where it thinks I am.
I think the MMR gain/loss just gets less the more games you play, irregardless of how close you are. It will slow down when your close BECAUSE you're close, but I think it also just starts to slow down with a high number of matches.
I only get +4 and lose -36 😩 getting high in champ gets frustrating
I liked 1.0 rank because now I'm just trying to get my new seasonal ranks and I'm being matched but with plats or even emerald players. I admit sometimes I'm the worse player on my team but the other nice my team were playing like copper players me a silver/gold player against plats or higher
so I gain 17 per win in full gold lobbies as a silver, and the golds gain 40+ per game
This explains how I’m silver but keep getting queued with diamonds, or maybe I just suck and my enemies got lucky
I wonder how it takes into account squads with different hidden MMRs. I’m the highest in my stack near high gold/low plat and at the start of the season we’re queuing into games with emerald and diamond backgrounds/charms and getting squashed like bugs. My friends certainly aren’t on that level (no one except me has been into plat).
Ranked 2.0 has always been an excuse for Ubi to grind the game and not provide any fair or transparent system. All ranks can be matchmake together, meaning copper players play with the same pool as champions. This makes no sense for a ranking system imo...
My friends finished at higher leagues than me, so in the next season, I'm expected to gain less mmr than my friends if I play with them? even if the stats and kds are almost similar?
Could you make another video on mouse trap? Seems like it's not working anymore.
I quite like ranked 2.0 but I’ve definitely seen weird stuff. I play around gold or low plat yet I see tons of emeralds and diamonds, I’ve even seen a champion who was a genuine champion it wasn’t a case of he got champ on another platform and he has good stats. So either the emeralds, diamonds and champs suck which is why the game puts them in gold or the game thinks I’m amazing.
before i get too far,, i think rank should be based off performance and you only get bonuses for wins and extra points taken for losses... thats probably the best way to get people to face people that are the same skills... it's why mortal kombat matches online are so balanced
Even if your summery of ranked 2.0 is correct it's still bullshit. My last 4 ranks before 2.0 was plat2, gold1, diamond?, plat3 then we got ranked 2.0 and I have played with/against seasoned champs every season. The first season was the hardest, every game was full stacked champs now it's at least 1 or 2 champ charms from ranked 1
0 and usually 7 or more players that have hit champ since 2.0. I got 10 points off champ the first season then emerald the next, I was still getting 120 points per game but stopped because I was sick of the sweaty games. Then diamond. This season I've only played ranked for the last 2 days. Maybe it's supposed to work the way you said but I'm not in games with players I can compete with and I'm a solo player although I'll sometimes play with a friend but that's rare and hard to get some of my friends to come back to seige.
🗣️Bring back 1.0
So if you solo q most games in ranked you your true skill is never known. Basically no one’s true skill is actually known…
Heyy i am hoping by commenting i get some help from people , me and most of my friends who play in middle east asia have this issue mainly but not limited to console (specifically xbox) where if we match make as a team or even solo, the first match goes fine but for some reason upon existing the match and searching a new one it doesn't matter what happens we can never que up anyone else have this problem ? Also we found it for some reason it connects us to a different data center from the one we usually connect too without saying so in the data center section
Question... I get matched regularly with players who achieved a Champion visual rank last season (operator background or charms). I understand that it isn't "indicative" of their skill rating. However, once I reach gold, I begin to lose more rank points than I win. It is mathematically impossible for me to achieve Champion. So how is the system thinking that we belong together?
The visual ranks were massively inflated 1 or 2 seasons ago. That season had around 10 times as many Champs as there were in Ranked 1.0. Obviously there weren't suddenly 10 times as many players who are that good. Instead, for some reason, Ubisoft made it way easier to reach Champ. Players who were low Plat in Ranked 1.0 suddenly reached Champ. Ubisoft improved it a bit since, it is not that easy to reach Champ anymore but the players who did keep the charms and background cards. Bottom line: The 'Champs' you play aren't real Champs they probably are Ranked 1.0 Plats or maybe even high Golds.
@@hanslhanslthanks a lot. I was wondering why 1-2 players on the teams would have a champion player in ranked. It would make me question if that was my future rank.
That’s what hidden mmr is, they hit champ but they’re hidden mmr is gold. Because they have the skills of a gold or a plat.
I guess I still can't wrap my head around how they got to Champ if we have the same hidden MMR. I'm very not good at the game. Sub 50% win rate.
@@hoshieri It isn't meant to work like that though. You shouldn't be able to achieve a rank that much higher than your skill. Ubisoft messed up the system, that's why we see/saw this happening.
My highest level since the new system came out is Plat 3. In the old system I was consistently between Plat 2/3. I currently play against Diamond and Champion players almost every game, when my MMR should be around Plat. There’s an entire Emerald rank between Plat and Diamond. Yet when I look up players in almost every match I’m playing against Diamond/Champions and they generally are the ones 13-2 on the team playing with literal Bronze players.
The system is back to the same garbage that we previously got rid of when they had the MMR restrictions. Not to mention on console almost every Diamond/Champion I play against is an obvious cheater using Cronus because they have zero recoil on every gun they fire. It’s not like they are holding a tight control of recoil, they just don’t even have any recoil.
I also have actually improved as a player. My K/D is the highest it’s ever been in playing this game since beta, and I even made it to Diamond in Red Crow (the easy Diamond season), yet with the matchmaking I actually have a below 1.0 win loss now when I have for the entire time I’ve played RB6 had a steady 1.2 win/loss with the thousands of hours I’ve put into the game. Who thinks it’s fun losing more games than you win? Especially when I’ve spent 8 years playing this game having a positive one. I have barely even touched ranked this season. The new rank system is legitimately not in anyway better than the old. It’s just a grind fest now, and not a fun one.
I did like 10 tickets and they always says they cant see the mmr
The question is how do you change your skill rating. And does it matter
Sources?
One comment about your rank 1.0 explanation, I am pretty sure your matchmaking depended on your previous rank as if you had 2 people both playing their placements and win all 10 of them and let's say player A was last placed diamond and player B was copper. A will probably get Plat 2 or 1 after placements and B would get gold something. So it didn't really reset also you'd most likely never see them in the same lobby after the rank "reset". Unless I misunderstood your explanation.
it was a soft reset. they would average your previous rank with the default rank (gold 3 i think) so you would be closer to the average while still having an easier time getting back to where you were last season
agreed. He knows very well how ranked 2.0 works but not how Ranked 1.0 worked apparently😜
So winning is a lot more important than kd
Didn't Ubi say they wanted to rework Frost due to player frustration? They should fix mm, I'm sure there are more people frustrated with the mm than a silly frost matt that can be easily avoided by simply looking down while vaulting.
at 16:00 that guy is just mad. I did the same thing, barely playing for 2 seasons, Solar Raid and Commanding force, Bronze 4 and Silver 2 respectively. The season after that, Dread Factor, I hit Emerald 2. If he were actually an above Bronze rank player, he would be getting more MMR per game.
I just think Ubi could do a better job of making things more transparent when it comes to things like this so players don't get confused and think the system is biased against them
Ranked 2.0 was Ubisoft's biggest mistake in years! Ranked 1.0 was simple and logical, now it just doesn't make sense!
Now the question I have is how do I see my skill rating
You don't. Thats the whole point. Its hidden. You're always playing against players of YOUR skill level.
Is there any way to check your hidden mmr rank??
I wish rank would be influenced by a stat like KOST (Kill, Objective, Survive, Traded) but I feel like it might be exploitable if not implemented correctly.
i.e. getting 100% overy round by sitting outside.
But if its a combination of winning and personal KOST then it will probably work much better than the current system.
I honestly think straight up points would be a good metric. They already make farming points pretty hard to do so making them actually have a worth would be awesome. And it would eliminate exploiting the game for KOST. ie, you can't just sit and survive because you'll get no points.
@@Saltyoldguy- I think they would have to rework the point system for that to work. And that is why I said a combination of winning and KOST since if you stay outside every round you aren't gonna win
@@lucasc5336 I disagree. I think the point system is actually close to perfect in being fair and accurate as to how much your are contributing to the team
@@Saltyoldguy- you might be right I haven't had points on in years
@@lucasc5336 I didn't even know you could turn them off 💀
I understand the motive behind this video. And I don't blame CoreRoss for this one bit, but visual rank doesn't mean anything?
We're telling players that you're working towards a fictional rank that means nothing and you'll never see you're actual progress or know the true skill of the other players you're playing with.
Rank means literally nothing now and then they take away unranked for a (frankly better experience) but from people that didn't want to deal with Ranked.
Ubi has basically come out saying too many people complained about the ranking system so we'll just set it up in a way that 'feels' like progression with no actual sense of progression.
It ruined the game and I have only played Siege in the past 6 years (little bit of RL, but basically only Siege) - I have been playing less and less since Ranked 2.0 and it's not because I care about my rank.
It's because the sense of progression in myself and the others around me is gone. Cheaters, smurfs, intentional throwers, shitty tm's when solo queueing, *The R6 server is absolutely useless since ranked 2.0 except for 'fake champs' that are using coppers in it to boost to Champ for a rank that means nothing.
I'm not claiming that Ubisoft has it easy or that there is an easy fix here. But Ranked 2.0 was just NOT IT CHIEF
This was my take as well. i have improved and am playing much better players now but my rank is pretty much the same as it was. Takes the fun out of the game
I don’t like how rank 2.0 works I hate that it’s artificially keeping you at the same rank I think that’s stupid that even if I improve I think it’s stupid that I’m not gonna get much because it always thinks I’m a Carper until I get a higher rank next season if the visual rank truly doesn’t matter, why can’t we just have a reasonable amount of rank points, so we can grind through the rakes at a reasonable amount of Time
I have been plat every season and now after 20 games i cant get out of bronze. In copper i was going against skilled players. So now i cant get plat or diamond charms anymore?
All it takes are people that dupe the system to lock your progress on where the rank says you're "supposed" to be.
Not sure how people don't understand the system when it's so simple.
Says your visual rank doesn’t matter for match making but it affects your ranking but not matchmaking but I still want to know who I play against and others stats to compare them with mine I had a friend gold stuck last season while I was a lower rank and pasted him
It’s definitely confusing, I have more wins than a buddy of mine. But he’s plat 3 and I’m gold 1
Ranked 2.0 Ranks are *exclusively* cosmetic.
me and my budys are plat and we always get copper team mates but plat enemys so we are forced to carry every match
Finally, I can just link this video under every post where people cry about ranked matchmaking.
I’m gold so far this season 1.0 w/l 1.1 kd tryna to get at least plat 2 again since I got plat the last 4 seasons on my new current account
Here’s an idea: instead of showing a meaningless rank, show the skill rating Ubisoft 😮😮
Can you not buy ram with renown now ?
So what if you're highest rank was plat 1 but you're final rank was gold 1, then next season would you get rp until you reach plat 1 or gold 1?
Bruh I hate when I play with my friends bc I’m the only champ, then they all have like .8-1.1 kds. And I still face top 1000 champ squads EVERY game