Legends LOVE These Drums (and so should YOU)
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Ludwig, Tama, Gretsch, and more - drummers have so many choices today. Let's explore how I made a hot rod of a vintage drum kit and a few elements that you can use to make your drums sound just as good as mine!
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Everyone loves Ludwig Drums. From the time Ringo Starr and The Beatles performed on the Ed Sullivan show, that drum brand practically became a household name. Drummers like John Bonham with Led Zeppelin only furthered that brand image, especially since Bonzo used incredibly unique Vistalite and stainless steel shells that Ludwig perfected at the time!
The best shell Ludwig ever made was the maple/poplar/maple three-ply, clear interior shell from the early 1970s. It's got all the vintage vibe that you'd expect out of a vintage drum, but there's something that just feels a little more musical and a little more aligned with my ear than the earlier drums. I can't describe it more than that, so just listen to the drums in this video to hear these things for yourself!
Audio was captured with two Universal Audio Apollo x8p interfaces using 1073 preamp modeling. Mics include:
- SE Electronics V-Kick (Kick In)
- Dr. Alien Smith Alien8 (Kick Out)
- Shure Unidyne III SM57 (Snare Top)
- Rode NT55 w/ Cardioid Capsule (Snare Top)
- Audio-Technica ATM650 (Snare Bottom)
- Sennheiser MD-421 (Each Tom)
- AKG C414 TLII Pair (Overheads)
- Apex 210B Ribbon into Soyuz Launcher (Room)
- Shure 588SB (Vocal)
I use Logic Pro X, Waves Audio plugins, and I love beef jerky.
Oh, and that cool mic cable? It comes from Sorry Cables in LA. - www.sorrycable...
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That’s a beautiful Ludwig kit! I did the same thing to a 1972 Rogers kit back in the late 1990s. I recovered the ugly and damaged white wrapped finish with a beautiful black diamond pearl finish and had the bearing edges trued by a legendary drum craftsman in San Diego. It’s the best sounding drum kit I’ve ever owned. It sounded so good, I ended up selling my Yamaha recording custom kit. Gotta love American vintage drums.
That's pretty wild that your kit sounding as good or better than an old Recording Custom. That'a amazing. Do you remember who did the edges on it? I'd be really curious to know!
@@timbofromkeno I was surprised too, but the more I’ve learned about Rogers over the years it started making sense. I believe the guy who did the bearing edges was Richard Bleifus (not sure if I spelled his name correctly).
Sometimes I wish I had the Yamaha kit still. It was s ridiculous setup: (2) 22 inch bass drums, 8”, 10”, 12”, 13”, and 14” toms, a 16” floor tom and a 14x8 deep snare all in the black piano lacquer finish. The toms were all power toms, but their dimensions weren’t quite as deep as some of the other brands of the time. Funny, I just saw your video with your red Recording Customs and it made me nostalgic. Cheers!! And keep up the great work!!!
@@jons3808 That Yamaha kit sounds AMAZING! And thanks for the kind words. Cheers dude!!
Timbo, thank you for yet another fun and informative post. A few years ago, a friend of mine wanted his drums out of his garage and all I had to do was get them gone. I found out that they were Ludwig drums. They were champagne pink sparkle. The snare was metal, there were 2 rack toms, 12” and 13”. The floor tom was 16”. They were stamped Mar. 4, 1966. They came with Tama 14” hat cymbals, a 20”, 18”, and a 16” Ludwig/Paiste cymbal. They didn’t have a very good sound. Here’s the bad news;there was no bass drum. He couldn’t for the life of him recall what happened to it. I looked for over a year to find a matching bass drum and was only able to find one, and it was over $800.00 and then there was quite a shipping charge. I ended up piecing the set out and selling it on eBay getting a bit over $1100.00. I took that money and bought a used 4 piece Mapex set with 5 Sabian cymbals. That set cost me $400.00. I have added more toms and a side snare making my set a 10 piece set for a total cost of less than $600.00. Maybe I should have kept that Ludwig set. I guess it’s too late now though. Take care my friend.
Wild story, Greg. There’s no right or wrong choice with this stuff. Does the Mapex kit bring you joy? Then I’d say it’s a great kit and it’s doing exactly what it needs to do. And hopefully the folks who bought those parts and pieces from that Ludwig kit enjoy whatever they bought from you too!
@@timbofromkeno Sage words, Timbo. I think I did the right thing. I’m a 73 year old basement player. For me, the cost to get that Ludwig set up and running just wasn’t in the cards. I am happy.
Beautiful kit. 3 ply maple Damen Ave. Originals. Nothing else like em in the world. Very blessed to own a set.
They’re unbelievable!
You make those drums sound great too Tim!!! ❤
Thanks John!! 👊👊👊
Sounds incredible! Lotta nuance there. Definitely has that early 70’s sound. Similar to Gadd’s on Aja. Dry with just enough “boing”. 🤣
I’m not a fan of the boing for sure. 😂😂😂 And thanks for the kind words!!
Hey Tim, I'm glad my bass drum found a good home.
There he is! Thanks so much, man. I’m loving it! ❤️👊
Killer set and playing as always Tim! Ludwig had an incredible roster of artists in the 60's 70's! Mitch Mitchell, Ian paice and so on! There's a reason why 3 plys are so sought after and you nailed it!
Totally agree. Now I just gotta find a Paice-sized 16x10 rack tom, and maybe I’ll be able to shred like that guy!! 😂😂
@@timbofromkeno I wish! I have a set with a 16x14 rack tom and a set with a 12x8 and I can't shred like either of you haha
@@shawnsdrumcave 😂❤️👊
re: large drums, i had lane at tc dc build me a 14"/18"/26" kit and yeah i'm glad i drive a large suv! wouldn't trade them for the world, love my huge kit. love this channel, too, so maybe i just love things with large personalities? yeah that's it.
when i was speccin out the kit i requested re-rings and built-in damping and the same poplar/mahogany/poplar plys that my wfl ludwig had when i was a kid, so thanks ludwig for the inspiration!
@@adampeterson338 Man, I'll bet those big tubs SING. That's so rad. And thanks for the kind words. What kind of music are you playing with such big drums??
@@timbofromkeno playin rock n roll with a sorta country twang and yeah they really wail (we're called The Right Here, i switched to drums just a couple years ago, used to be the bassist!). i like volunteering to bring my kit for shows and watch other drummer's faces light up when they're playing them cuz they're a blast to play.
@@adampeterson338 I’ll have to look up the band. I’ll bet you sound like Bonham with tubs that big!!
3 ply luddies are the best!
They're some of my favs for sure. What's that giant kick drum in the thumbnail of your profile? That looks like a beast too!!
@@timbofromkeno Ah you have a good eye. That is a 24 inch Yamaha Oak Custom. I used that for years. HEAVY as hell! Yamaha is the just amazing and the oaks make such powerful bass drums. But I ran a 22X14 3ply Ludwig kick for so long. It was the perfect tone! It could do anything. Retractable spurs sucked but it sounded so good.
@@Garagedrummer Dude, I love those Oak Custom drums. I had an original '03-'04 gold badge MIJ kit in the Matte Sedona Red color for a long time. They're some of the loudest drums I've ever heard. 🤣
@@timbofromkenoYeah the oaks are loud! I ran that kick drum in blue sparkle and a birch custom floor tom in silver sparkle. Snare was a Jimmy Chamberlain steel. That set up could wake the dead!
@@Garagedrummer I can imagine! hahaha
Gorgeous kit! Great drumming!
Thanks Alex. I appreciate it!
Sounds beautiful man. Need to get me some vintage Ludwigs to compliment my Acrolite ❤ Great video as always man and hope all is well 👊
Thanks Ferg. We definitely gotta find you a kit one of these days. If you ever think you stumble upon a good option and want my two cents, don't hesitate to DM or email me!
Dude I would love that and thank you very much for your offer! I'll be sure to take you up on it if I see something and thanks man @timbofromkeno 🙏
Oh man, you get such a tremendous attack to your Toms. I love it. 🔥
Thanks Glenn. I try my best! 😂❤️
Love the show Tim, your great knowledge, love your passion , may I ask if you could do a video non remo ambassadors top and bottom and no dampening please 😊
Thanks! I’m an Evans artist, so anything I do with new heads I do with their stuff only. I’ll be doing a video featuring a bunch of different snare head options soon, though, so keep an eye out!
Killer sounding kit
Thanks dude!! 👊👊
Agreed about the 70’s ludwig being one of the best sounding drum sounds out there. I have a large kit with 24” kick and a bop sized kit, both B/O badge 70’s 3-ply. Had the bop kit edges re-done and rings for days. One day I’ll have the large kit edges done as well.
That's awesome! What did you have done to the edges on the bop kit? Just trued to the original profile? Or something a little different?
To the original profile. Done by precision drums, they do great work. You can find a short clip of them on my channel.
@@daveb3562 Oh, Precision is so good. I’m gonna watch that video for sure!!
Great Friday content Tim !! Some history and knowledge. Yes that Ludwig kit sounds amazing. Great chops too ! All the best my friend.
Thanks Chris! I appreciate it. Now kick back, have a beer, and enjoy the weekend!!
Played drums on my first studio recording on one of these kits. It was at the old Mushroom Studios in Vancouver. I'll never forget that day. I came in with my big Sonor Force 3005 Black Sparkle Kit(24/18/16/12/13/), and Pearl Ultracast Snare, and the Engineers like just so you know we're using a different kit, and Snare(Supraphonic). I didn't complain at all, and there was something about them too, not sure what it was, but they just felt so effortless to play, sounded so good, and I banged the album off with one or two takers.
You have a really good attitude to accept playing a totally different kit after hauling that massive Sonor over there. Hahahaha Was the Ludwig kit just two toms and a kick too? Or did it have all the toms to match your personal kit?
@@timbofromkeno Ya, so it actually worked out really good because it had the two rack tom's, the 14 floor, the kick, so all that was missing was the second floor tom which I could totally take or leave, and it wouldn't change how any of my parts were played. I basically just used it sometimes to hit along with the 16", or sometimes instead, and I was always switching live between having the 18" and not.
I totally remember thinking the 14" was a bit small, but the drum tech tuned it up, and when I heard him play it I just remember going holy shit, and I remember thinking how huge it sounded for a 14". I do also remember taping my finger up with cheap scotch tape near the end, because I split my finger open on the Snare. Think I got some blood on the heads/kit too lol, oops. Red Silver Sparkle?
If you wanna hear the album let me know!
@@jamescassidy4045 It's pretty wild how big you can make little floor toms sound with the right heads, tuning, and micing techniques. Too funny about the tape too!
Link me to the record some time. I'd love to give it a listen!
Nailed it....🎯🥰
Thanks Bob!!
Amazing drums ❤ one day i will Own them too ❤️ love your Videos my friend !
2 plys on the reso ? Never tried That 😮
Greets from germany 🙏🏼
Hey! Thanks for the kind words. Yes, it's a two-ply head on the resonant side. For me, it brings out some extra low end from my smaller 20" kick and I get a little bit of pleasant dampening over a one-ply head. It might be worth trying!
Ludwig 😍
Yeah buddy!
Keep these videos coming!
More to come, homie. Hope all is well in your world!!
Wait, you're in Wisconsin?!? Where? Let's start a band.
Hahaha I’m down in Kenosha! Not sure how long I’ll be here, but if you ever need session work, don’t hesitate to holler!!
Do you ever put together sample packs? I would like to get samples of these.
That’s not a bad idea. Maybe one day!!
Hmmmm? I thought the o g was mahogany poplar mahogany??? With white paint interior’s?
WFL and the early 60s Ludwig stuff is exactly that! By the late sixties, they switched to Maple/Poplar/Maple.
THEY WOULD SOUND A LOT BETTER WITH REMO DRUM HEADS BUT OVER ALL SOUNDS OK
To each their own. Have you tried Evans stuff the last year or two? They’ve made a TON of changes to their products. And they might sound a little different to the ear at first, but under mics, these heads are tremendous.
@@timbofromkeno YES I TRIED THE EVANS G2 & CE2 CALLED SOMETHING LIKE THAT IT'S BEEN OVER 7 YEARS THAT WASN'T FOR ME PLUS MAINLY 9O% OF ALL MY FAVORITE DRUM SOUNDS AND DRUMMERS USED REMO AND THAT'S THE SOUND I LOVE PLUS NO NEED TO USE DAMPING RINGS GELS TAPE WITH REMO OR CAUSE I LOVE THAT LIVE OPEN SOUND MAINLY ALL MY FAVORITE DRUMMERS DIDN'T USE AND KNEW HOW TO TUNE THEIR DRUMS SO I STICK TO REMO 1OO%
@@NOAHCASAS To each their own! : )
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wasted them with a bearing edge recut - should have left them original
No recut here. Just gentle massaging to endure they’re complete in round while maintaining the original profile.
Old trucks get tuneups. Old historical homes get restored. Old things need a little love to ensure we can keep using them. And this is the same kind of deal. : )
Great video… what are the tone control rings you used ? Thanks
Thanks dude! They’re Roots EQ rings. If you google that, their site should pop up and you can buy them there!