The difference between a gunner and a person who just learns better by being active and speaking in class is that the former is comfortable being wrong and learning from giving an incorrect or incomplete answer.
I think it mostly important to participate in class when asking questions. It’s better to get out uncertainties in class, rather than when taking your final exam.
Many professors are available right after class for questions. Another approach is to go talk to them at that point. So maybe ask some questions in class and some after class.
Some of these traits are positive, like sitting close to the front. I believe you even recommend that in another video, as there are less distractions than further back. A lot of things listed I was taught are good, like class participation, preparation, and work beyond what's required. Maybe you could do a video about what you do want a student to be like in class?
Some of the best students do sit towards the front of the class. But what distinguishes the gunner from others is the constant participation. Keep in mind that a typical first year law school class has anywhere from 60 to 120 students. If the professor is hearing from one student every class, that is beyond a statistical anomaly.
As you consider law school, make sure to go and talk to some lawyers. Find out what we do, not just what you think we do. Ask questions like "what does your typical day look like?" Thanks for watching!
You see how people being involved in class is looked down on? You have to be patient and combative at the same time. You must fall in line but also be able to stand up for your ideas with vigor. Law school is going to tear you down and never build you up. If you can’t build yourself up you will be left behind ruthlessly. Your professors and students will pretend they care but will look down on you and talk about you behind your back. If you do not mind fighting and having conflict with people you spend every waking moment with go to law school.
The smartest students don’t show off and are the quietest in lectures, they get the highest grades and don’t go to all of the lectures because you see some students just naturally have a legal mind (perhaps they came from a legal family such as I did [although I’m not a gunner I’m pretty average] with a federal judge for a dad who has exposed his kids to legal thinking from a young age- perhaps inadvertently). The point is not only are some students quiet in class yet hard working, there are some students who are quiet in class but don’t work hard and still achieve higher than the gunners because law comes naturally to them.
@@Learnlawbetter oh, i hope you are all set in your new place :) btw I' ve only recently found out that Harvard law has a significantly higher class size compared to Yale n Stanford, doesnt this reduce it's value?
Going to any of the three will significantly enhance your career. But because Yale is so small, the alumni network is much stronger. That is why so many Yale Law grads end up in high positions after law school.
That moment you realise you are the gunner of all your classes hahaha. I have always had the impression that it is a good thing to be a gunner however, as it demonstrates to your tutors that you are indeed engaging with the subject and reading the necessary materials. I personally just really enjoy giving my input in class and talking to lecturers.
@@Learnlawbetter I completely agree to be fair. In my first year at law school (I am from the UK so we have to do a three year bachelor of law degree before pursuing postgrad), I was very eager to answer as much as I could, but I learnt that you gotta let other people answer questions as well (especially in seminars, which are often assessed at my university).
@@Learnlawbetter I had a professor tell me to "Never be a tourist in your own education". . . I suppose what you're emphasising here, with this video, is the need for moderation?
Mightve been a gunner during my MBA, will try not to be a gunner in my JD. I definitely wasnt the top student in my mba, probably fell in that top 25% as you said.
Feel free to speak up in class. Being a gunner is a label on how others view you. One advantage gunners have is that they ask questions, meaning they are engaged.
Obviously you can’t vocalize in class. Have you tried vocalizing in your mind? I know it’s not the same, but it might help. This is a hard learning style inside the classroom.
If they have a good system for tracking. But many faculty say they track participation but ultimately give everyone the same participation grade. By the way, I believe those who actively participate will do better as they are engaged with the discussion.
A 2L here, probably the most "talkey" in any of my 1L classes (only 43 per section and I only looked at small section schools because I know me). I only got a participation bump in one class, where I bombed the exam (because I misunderstood what was requested). That professor knew I knew the stuff so I got a C+ bumped to a B-. I feel like that's where they reserve participation bumps. Next semester I didn't get any bumps at all, that semester I got 2 As, 2 Bs and a C (I was worried I would not pass, so I'm fine with that C).
Policies for bumps vary. Here at Idaho, I have to provide all participation bumps before student names are revealed. No way to help a student based on a lower than expected final exam score.
@@Learnlawbetter Aww man, you're a visiting professor at Moscow? Such a nice area, enjoy. All the roads going in and out are beautiful. I was a Montana-based truck driver, the city or the college drilled a new (municipal scale water) well about 5 years ago and I brought in the drilling rig. great area.
I am in high school currently and jr. year I want to take classes at community college with high school. Will this help my chances of getting into law school?
No, taking classes early like that will not make any difference. You want to make sure that you get A’s in whatever college courses you take. If you can do that in high school then great. But don’t take the course unless you are pretty sure you are going to get an A. I’ve seen lots of high school students get poor grades taking community college courses this way, and those grades will be taken into account by a law school in determining your undergraduate GPA.
Hahaha being able to participate in class means nothing in law school. Only thing that matters is how you structure your exam and always always do what your professor says is right not what the book says or anyone else. Remember law school isn’t school it is a game that you must play alone and for other people.
This video was disappointing, sorry. Here’s why: 1. You seem to include every extrovert in the “gunners” camp. 2. This list could easily be condensed into 4 or 5 characteristics instead of 11, as most involved hand raising in class. I love your other videos, though. Cheers. :)
I think the odds of getting labeled a Gunner increase as the individual identifies with one of the 11 original characteristics placed. It's a spectrum of behavior patterns, the more characteristics means more discernment on what is a definition of a "Gunner". Your comment is disappointing because it is getting alot of milegae from vaguely defined words.
When you consider the proportion of gunners to quiet kids, the 20% rate is actually really impressive!
The difference between a gunner and a person who just learns better by being active and speaking in class is that the former is comfortable being wrong and learning from giving an incorrect or incomplete answer.
I think it mostly important to participate in class when asking questions. It’s better to get out uncertainties in class, rather than when taking your final exam.
Many professors are available right after class for questions. Another approach is to go talk to them at that point. So maybe ask some questions in class and some after class.
Some of these traits are positive, like sitting close to the front. I believe you even recommend that in another video, as there are less distractions than further back. A lot of things listed I was taught are good, like class participation, preparation, and work beyond what's required. Maybe you could do a video about what you do want a student to be like in class?
Some of the best students do sit towards the front of the class. But what distinguishes the gunner from others is the constant participation. Keep in mind that a typical first year law school class has anywhere from 60 to 120 students. If the professor is hearing from one student every class, that is beyond a statistical anomaly.
@@Learnlawbetter Now I understand, I hope I"m not a gunner in the comments!
I agree with you; he seems to condemn a lot of good behavior in an academic setting, such as learning beyond the assigned material.
@@rn8095 From his response to me, I think it's how it's used rather than the act itself.
Thank you Beau Baez I have been considering law school and your videos are enlightening
As you consider law school, make sure to go and talk to some lawyers. Find out what we do, not just what you think we do. Ask questions like "what does your typical day look like?" Thanks for watching!
First one to raise hand? ....BLAHAHAGA .....oh yeah people do that . It’s fine if they want to keep answering. Gives me time to memorize my outlines.
Gunners must be good at Constitutional Law, especially the 2nd Amendment
LOL!!
You see how people being involved in class is looked down on? You have to be patient and combative at the same time. You must fall in line but also be able to stand up for your ideas with vigor. Law school is going to tear you down and never build you up. If you can’t build yourself up you will be left behind ruthlessly. Your professors and students will pretend they care but will look down on you and talk about you behind your back. If you do not mind fighting and having conflict with people you spend every waking moment with go to law school.
The smartest students don’t show off and are the quietest in lectures, they get the highest grades and don’t go to all of the lectures because you see some students just naturally have a legal mind (perhaps they came from a legal family such as I did [although I’m not a gunner I’m pretty average] with a federal judge for a dad who has exposed his kids to legal thinking from a young age- perhaps inadvertently). The point is not only are some students quiet in class yet hard working, there are some students who are quiet in class but don’t work hard and still achieve higher than the gunners because law comes naturally to them.
Great to have you back, please do more videos, they are really helpful
Sorry for the long hiatus. I moved and it took a while to set up the studio.
@@Learnlawbetter oh, i hope you are all set in your new place :) btw I' ve only recently found out that Harvard law has a significantly higher class size compared to Yale n Stanford, doesnt this reduce it's value?
Going to any of the three will significantly enhance your career. But because Yale is so small, the alumni network is much stronger. That is why so many Yale Law grads end up in high positions after law school.
That moment you realise you are the gunner of all your classes hahaha. I have always had the impression that it is a good thing to be a gunner however, as it demonstrates to your tutors that you are indeed engaging with the subject and reading the necessary materials. I personally just really enjoy giving my input in class and talking to lecturers.
Speaking in class is a good thing. The key is not monopolizing all the time. Glad to hear you are participating.
@@Learnlawbetter I completely agree to be fair. In my first year at law school (I am from the UK so we have to do a three year bachelor of law degree before pursuing postgrad), I was very eager to answer as much as I could, but I learnt that you gotta let other people answer questions as well (especially in seminars, which are often assessed at my university).
@@Learnlawbetter I had a professor tell me to "Never be a tourist in your own education". . . I suppose what you're emphasising here, with this video, is the need for moderation?
Yes, exactly right. You don’t want to be that person that never speaks or the person that speaks incessantly.
Very helpful! I definitely have had some gunners in my history classes. I'm here to learn, not teach! :)
Edit: Great tie, btw!
Mightve been a gunner during my MBA, will try not to be a gunner in my JD.
I definitely wasnt the top student in my mba, probably fell in that top 25% as you said.
Feel free to speak up in class. Being a gunner is a label on how others view you. One advantage gunners have is that they ask questions, meaning they are engaged.
Oh my! You just described me in classes.
I just realized I'm a gunner. Darn, I thought I couldn't ever get correctly labeled, till now.
Hope you do well. For exams, don’t go in over confident or you will miss some easy issues. That over confidence is the downfall of many gunners.
Im a gunner and im proud to be one!😌
Any tips for those of us who learn by vocalizing?
Obviously you can’t vocalize in class. Have you tried vocalizing in your mind? I know it’s not the same, but it might help. This is a hard learning style inside the classroom.
I love your dry humor 😅
My professors take class participation into account, so I think being a "gunner" is important
If they have a good system for tracking. But many faculty say they track participation but ultimately give everyone the same participation grade. By the way, I believe those who actively participate will do better as they are engaged with the discussion.
A 2L here, probably the most "talkey" in any of my 1L classes (only 43 per section and I only looked at small section schools because I know me). I only got a participation bump in one class, where I bombed the exam (because I misunderstood what was requested). That professor knew I knew the stuff so I got a C+ bumped to a B-.
I feel like that's where they reserve participation bumps.
Next semester I didn't get any bumps at all, that semester I got 2 As, 2 Bs and a C (I was worried I would not pass, so I'm fine with that C).
Policies for bumps vary. Here at Idaho, I have to provide all participation bumps before student names are revealed. No way to help a student based on a lower than expected final exam score.
@@Learnlawbetter Aww man, you're a visiting professor at Moscow? Such a nice area, enjoy. All the roads going in and out are beautiful. I was a Montana-based truck driver, the city or the college drilled a new (municipal scale water) well about 5 years ago and I brought in the drilling rig. great area.
This is interesting :) Thank you.
My pleasure!
I am in high school currently and jr. year I want to take classes at community college with high school. Will this help my chances of getting into law school?
No, taking classes early like that will not make any difference. You want to make sure that you get A’s in whatever college courses you take. If you can do that in high school then great. But don’t take the course unless you are pretty sure you are going to get an A. I’ve seen lots of high school students get poor grades taking community college courses this way, and those grades will be taken into account by a law school in determining your undergraduate GPA.
Hahaha being able to participate in class means nothing in law school. Only thing that matters is how you structure your exam and always always do what your professor says is right not what the book says or anyone else. Remember law school isn’t school it is a game that you must play alone and for other people.
Number 8😂😂😂!
Is 33 too old to get started?
I've had many students begin law school in their 30's. In some ways, its ideal because you have more real-world experience.
@@Learnlawbetter thank you for the encouragement, sir! I am ready to take this step.
😂😂😂
This video was disappointing, sorry. Here’s why:
1. You seem to include every extrovert in the “gunners” camp.
2. This list could easily be condensed into 4 or 5 characteristics instead of 11, as most involved hand raising in class.
I love your other videos, though.
Cheers. :)
Thanks for the feedback.
I think the odds of getting labeled a Gunner increase as the individual identifies with one of the 11 original characteristics placed. It's a spectrum of behavior patterns, the more characteristics means more discernment on what is a definition of a "Gunner". Your comment is disappointing because it is getting alot of milegae from vaguely defined words.
Mileage* sorry hella dyslexic
@@faroniron8190 Thanks for the feedback.