FORZA HORIZON 5'S BIGGEST RACE! Mike vs Luke vs The Goliath | Forza Horizon 5

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  • Опубликовано: 3 дек 2024

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  • @varunchaturvedi2581
    @varunchaturvedi2581 2 года назад +116

    Stream starts at 0:31!

  • @DeadmanWL
    @DeadmanWL 2 года назад +107

    Luke: "Im worried, there be viewers who havent played and it might look really boring driving..."
    ...Luke, those who are watching this that arent interested in Forza, were just here for the lovely chats, and mellow vibs of Luke Westaway, and Mike Channel. (Racing games arent my thing, but I always enjoy what ever yall do)

  • @impalala5074
    @impalala5074 2 года назад +30

    These two are, without a shadow of a doubt, my favourite duo. Such wholesome dad energy.

  • @doctorstrangepants6706
    @doctorstrangepants6706 2 года назад +231

    You can tell that Mike is so happy to have a racing buddy!

    • @Amaranthyne
      @Amaranthyne 2 года назад +12

      Luke, too!

    • @nickgarcia1292
      @nickgarcia1292 2 года назад +27

      Luke seems to be the type of guy that would find the fun in any game, especially when one of his pals is excited about it

    • @Amaranthyne
      @Amaranthyne 2 года назад +15

      @@nickgarcia1292 I think he adds energy to any room he’s in and any game he plays.

    • @DeLaKleve
      @DeLaKleve 2 года назад +16

      Mike: “Friend?”
      Luke: “Friend.”
      Mike: “Car?”
      Luke: “Car.”
      Mike: “Car friend 😁”

    • @CodaBlairLucarioEmperor
      @CodaBlairLucarioEmperor 2 года назад +5

      @@Amaranthyne luke always just has so much energy that it ends up infecting everybody

  • @99toon99
    @99toon99 2 года назад +225

    Shout out to Mike's punctuality, every stream he runs always starts dead on time.

    • @gothmissstress
      @gothmissstress 2 года назад +3

      Yeah I was surprised 🤣

    • @Amaranthyne
      @Amaranthyne 2 года назад

      😅 that’s basically calling out the rest of the team for not being on time-which may be true from our point of view, but they are setting up the stream long before we see it. Complimenting an individual at the expense of others tends to be more uncomfortable than appreciated, and it certainly isn’t gracious (I should know since I am guilty of this as well). You might consider deleting your comment.

    • @aratanaru6200
      @aratanaru6200 2 года назад +8

      Well mike got the most skill in hardware and streaming so make sense its less scuffed so he can start on time. The others are late because technical gremlins even though they prepare before the time

    • @christophersmith8316
      @christophersmith8316 2 года назад +1

      @@aratanaru6200 He may also have better internet to his home than some others.

    • @skiddadleskidoodle4094
      @skiddadleskidoodle4094 2 года назад +14

      @@Amaranthyne why delete the comment tho? It’s a fact that the others often start a little late which is not a bad thing. It’s just a fact. I don’t think anyone minds (and I assure you especially the others from oxtra don’t mind) so it’s just a nice compliment on Mike’s tech skills

  • @jonb4155
    @jonb4155 2 года назад +115

    Luke: We can't screw up.
    Mike: Immediately flips it.
    Early contender for Presh Mems 2022.

  • @MavericksHangar
    @MavericksHangar 2 года назад +37

    Can we get more Mike and Luke streaming together?? Love the dynamic!!! Keep up the great work.

  • @parthdave2501
    @parthdave2501 2 года назад +42

    My God that Colossus race was so exhilarating towards the end. I started watching this video casually while working but had to stop and cheer Mike's amazing overtakes and the final team win!!

  • @ArunPandianApk
    @ArunPandianApk 2 года назад +15

    That last comeback had me on the edge of my seat. Love to see more of these Forza streams.

  • @Deckard-ig4qd
    @Deckard-ig4qd 2 года назад +17

    Mike: "So I have this very stylish and expensive car and-"
    Luke: "haha gremlin go nyyyoooooom"

  • @KieranBarnbyAcoustic
    @KieranBarnbyAcoustic 2 года назад +52

    Luke is always positive because he knows where there's a westawill there's a westaway!

    • @AlmightyPolarBear
      @AlmightyPolarBear 2 года назад +6

      Mike helps Luke channell that energy.

    • @madalice5134
      @madalice5134 2 года назад +2

      Boooo! I love both puns, but in the name of OX tradition, Boooo!

  • @PhantomJokerX
    @PhantomJokerX 2 года назад +16

    I love this racing duo. What a livestream where the racing banter is absolutely entertaining. Thanks Mike and Luke.
    28:25 The Peel P50 takes a hit
    58:15 Oooof that was a heartbreaking moment for Luke
    1:44:37 Mike does a barrel roll

  • @jonathandavies1716
    @jonathandavies1716 2 года назад +70

    I can't belive how badly Mike has corrugated Luke. He'll be inverting his controller next.

    • @piyam5000
      @piyam5000 2 года назад +34

      Corrugated? Like ... A roof?

    • @weneedaladder8384
      @weneedaladder8384 2 года назад +20

      Right!? When he shaped Luke into alternating ridges and grooves, I was shocked. And it came at the time you'd least expect.

    • @BogeyTheBear
      @BogeyTheBear 2 года назад +14

      Mike knows how to bend people out of shape. Ask Andy.

    • @Necrotoxin44
      @Necrotoxin44 2 года назад

      On the Outside Xtra F-Zero alike stream the other day, Luke said something about maybe needing to invert a control in one of the games, and I was like whaaat? Might be something to do with original F-Zero games, but it did feel a bit like maybe Mike had rubbed off on him, ha

  • @willyum3920
    @willyum3920 2 года назад +53

    I thought this evening after work: "I'll check in on the Oxboxtras. I hope they've had a well deserved break over Christmas and new year but they're probably back to work now and there might be a nice list or something..."
    But instead you spoil me with two hours of Mike and Luke!! We don't deserve you but we do appreciate it.
    Happy 2022 pals!

  • @Zoso14892
    @Zoso14892 2 года назад +11

    I could just be forgetful but I don't remember many streams with just Mike and Luke? That was lovely to watch, you were so chill together I enjoyed every minute of the stream. I also enjoy Forza so would be happy to see this a regular thing!

  • @archer8492
    @archer8492 2 года назад +6

    For a high-octane racing game I love the combined ability of Luke and Mike to make this such a chill stream with really nice vibes. Watching this the next day while working and fighting off a cold and it's cheering me up no end.

  • @krtimp
    @krtimp 2 года назад +16

    That Bort vanity plate is the best thing I’ve seen

  • @allisonpozzo
    @allisonpozzo 2 года назад +11

    I love the relationship between oxbox and oxtra. We have Jane tempting Ellen to the dark side in every oxventure episode, Mike tempting Luke to the chaotic side every chance he has, and Andy just overseeing the two of them as the cantankerous, disapproving but ultimately loving father :P

    • @CodaBlairLucarioEmperor
      @CodaBlairLucarioEmperor 2 года назад +1

      jane is the evil aunt, mike is the crazy uncle, and andy is the tired dad

  • @penguingonemad
    @penguingonemad 2 года назад +18

    This is peak dad energy 🥰 I'm not usually into racing games but Mike and Luke's enthusiasm is infectious

  • @user-ir8fx6uv1j
    @user-ir8fx6uv1j 2 года назад +13

    I was genuinely enthralled by the end of the race. It was as if I was playing the game.

  • @sacrilegiousboi
    @sacrilegiousboi 2 года назад +3

    Mike's joy for racing is my favorite thing ever

  • @dallydaydream
    @dallydaydream 2 года назад +29

    I wasn't expecting a livestream today and it cheered me up tremendously on a day where I really needed it

  • @kdjslvgds
    @kdjslvgds 2 года назад +5

    oh mannnn that last leg of the colossus was SO GOOD.
    when they hit the finish line i realized i had tensed my neck during that entire section.
    we felt the tension! amazing!

  • @scottlil01
    @scottlil01 2 года назад +30

    Was on the edge of my seat for that last race, excellent driving from the both of you (even when Mike put it upside down). I enjoy the F1 references as well.
    I'd love to see some more racing game streams down the line. Maybe if Luke does get into the more serious stuff, I think that would be great! "Learning about racing" Luke is one of my favourite Lukes.

    • @settle238
      @settle238 2 года назад +1

      Easily in the top 3 Lukes, all time, I would say.

    • @Necrotoxin44
      @Necrotoxin44 2 года назад

      "Learning about racing" Luke sounds like a new video series. It may have a catchier title, but I would be well up for that!

    • @vira-siegkaiserreinhafro1670
      @vira-siegkaiserreinhafro1670 2 года назад +1

      Luke's Race Academy. I would totally watch it.

  • @paladin595
    @paladin595 2 года назад +18

    Oh my god, Luke admits he downloaded a car!

    • @BogeyTheBear
      @BogeyTheBear 2 года назад

      Tuning is not easy, especially with some of Forza Horizon's little idiosyncrasies. Brake bias, for example, is the reverse of what you'd expect in the tuning screen: Want to increase pressure on the rear brakes so they'll lock up in sync with the front? Well, you don't move the slider to Rear-- if you want to increase the rear brakes' pressure, you move the slider to _Front_ at around 60-65%.
      Then there's the utter joy of spring rates, damping, and anti-roll bar tension. At least there's a long, straight highway to dial in gear ratios.
      Most maddening of all? Most would-be tuners probably never try because of how hard it is to bring up the telemetry HUD-- it's not mapped to the Xbox controller on default and they have literally run out of buttons to map because the game _insists_ you must have some really useless controls there before playing-- namely ANNA, a map button must be assigned to a controller button for some reason (when you can still use the Start menu instead!) and the horn. If you turn Rewind off, you do not need a Rewind button on the controls-- FH5 insists otherwise, so now I have absolutely useless buttons on my controller.

  • @nathansplace40
    @nathansplace40 2 года назад +14

    Honestly that last race was amazing. Luke keeping cool staying steady in the 3 4 spot the whole race, and Mike having trouble in the beginning and flipping his car at one point and clawing his way back up the pack was amazing.

  • @theisaacpigg27_32
    @theisaacpigg27_32 2 года назад +32

    First it was Dark Souls, now it's cars. What will the next thing Mike likes that he starts to convert the others too be

  • @gothmissstress
    @gothmissstress 2 года назад +4

    I'd definitely love more Forza horizon on this channel!

  • @gothmissstress
    @gothmissstress 2 года назад +13

    I'm always enjoying car racing games on this channel. Not car racing games in general, I don't care about them but in Outside Xbox it's always very fun!

  • @Jade-St28
    @Jade-St28 2 года назад +1

    thanks to Mike's enthusiastic recommendation, i've also been playing this game a lot and it's really fantastic. it doesn't matter how little you know/care about all the side activities like tuning/stunts etcs, you can just start any race with whatever car and it will be fun. lately i've been playing too many games where grinding side tasks was a necessity to even play the main game and this is a good break, just jumping right in and winning if you race well enough

  • @Icam_here
    @Icam_here 2 года назад +4

    Very enjoyable to watch team race dads for the first oxboxtra stream of 2022, well done in that last race

  • @Goosavich
    @Goosavich 2 года назад +3

    I’m never around when your streams are live but whenever I catch them they are always so enjoyable. Great work!

  • @andymcp4752
    @andymcp4752 2 года назад +10

    That first Colossus attempt in the RS200 was like the anxiety dream a racing driver would have after eating too many Snickers before bed

  • @codyc7477
    @codyc7477 2 года назад +1

    The end of this video was so intense. Great stuff.

  • @mistyraven6499
    @mistyraven6499 2 года назад

    Thank you for these 2 hours of comfy, friendly, joyful vibes! Definitely what I needed.

  • @liamgurney138
    @liamgurney138 2 года назад +1

    The amount of HYPE as Mike starts bringing it back!

  • @BENch_Gaming44444
    @BENch_Gaming44444 Год назад +2

    I love these streams. I often find myself watching games that I normally wouldn't just because the Oxbox and Oxtra teams are so funny.

    • @AlexKPorell
      @AlexKPorell Год назад +1

      Same! I love their banter 😅

  • @ventedbus4917
    @ventedbus4917 2 года назад +2

    I now have the Dominos car thanks both of you you got me back into Forza

  • @Amaranthyne
    @Amaranthyne 2 года назад +2

    As an individual with _zero_ interest in cars, I found this surprisingly chill(except the colossus). Feel free to stream more of these in the future~

  • @yugoprowers
    @yugoprowers 2 года назад +3

    I was wondering how Luke could beat Mike's Pink Style paint job, then Luke showed up with the Megumin paint job

  • @holliswilliams8426
    @holliswilliams8426 2 года назад +7

    ''I'm going to stroke it home now'' lmao

  • @Scribe13
    @Scribe13 2 года назад +11

    It’s amazing what Mike can accomplish when he is being wholesomely supported and not constantly put down!

  • @Borderlines
    @Borderlines 2 года назад +4

    Im not a fan of racing games at all, but Mike and Luke made this stream massively entertaining.

  • @iris4547
    @iris4547 2 года назад +3

    24:26 "bang in the middle on the east" mike proceeds to look in the west.

    • @BogeyTheBear
      @BogeyTheBear 2 года назад +3

      Go far enough west, everything becomes east again.

  • @pathindsley
    @pathindsley 11 месяцев назад

    Mike with some incredible driving to pull off the win. Unbelievable.

  • @TheYorkRose
    @TheYorkRose 2 года назад +4

    Luke spike + Mike spike = Like spike 💖 and that final race absolutely deserved it with the effort and quality from both racers!

  • @jankodes197
    @jankodes197 2 года назад +3

    They need to add some shells to launch at lead cars :D

  • @nickkowal619
    @nickkowal619 2 года назад +2

    The civilians in the game: Hooray for tourism! I love this festival!
    **RALLY CAR SCREAMS THROUGH THEIR LIVING ROOM AT 200MPH**

    • @BogeyTheBear
      @BogeyTheBear 2 года назад

      Read _"An Open Letter to The Mayor of Horizon, Colorado"_ for the full story.

  • @odysyr
    @odysyr 2 года назад +2

    When Luke suggested the viewers might be 'even more tense' I realised my left hand had an absolute death-grip on my armrest. I was absolutely riveted to that last race and as ever you guys did a smashing job!

  • @JKM395
    @JKM395 2 года назад

    Happy New Year! This was great guys. Couldn't believe the last race. Thanks.

  • @BogeyTheBear
    @BogeyTheBear 2 года назад

    32:54 I make the effort to mention the tire class and the intended racing venue (road, rally, or drag) in my tunes' descriptions. I hope others would take suit.
    PS: Turns out that they now include such helpful info in the tune's description screen (tire type, drivetrain, motor swap) so now I have room to get poetic.

  • @bugroombender6642
    @bugroombender6642 2 года назад

    I could happily watch a couple hours of outside xbox "racing with friends " every week ! (•n• i rarely play racing games myself)
    Good job guys,that was fun!

  • @oriolgonzalez9328
    @oriolgonzalez9328 2 года назад

    Gotta like just for the F1 references, also for that last-minute overtake for the win (proper motorsports movie that one!)

  • @time_for_cookies8178
    @time_for_cookies8178 2 года назад +3

    To be honest, I dont really like racing games, but watching those two was very entertaining!
    A nice way to start 2022!

  • @GameDarshanShow
    @GameDarshanShow 2 года назад +1

    I almost jumped in my seat ay the end of the last race! Great driving people.

  • @ptonpc
    @ptonpc 2 года назад +2

    Great to see the two of you chilling. HNY.

  • @tenninja1
    @tenninja1 2 года назад

    I was totally uninterested in this game until I saw Mike's GOTY and this stream and now I'm totally sold. Great game.

  • @chriswalker4535
    @chriswalker4535 2 года назад

    This was a fantastic stream. Perfect chill stream and nice and long too. Would happily welcome more Forza driving streams!!

  • @god_guts
    @god_guts 2 года назад

    "so much brown" I've never been happier for a race!

  • @SolaScientia
    @SolaScientia 2 года назад +2

    Talking about boxy Toyota's from the 1980s, my parents had a 1981 (I think that's the year) Toyota Tercel. We called it the Brown Car, because it was this light tan color. 5 speed manual transmission and what I learned to drive a manual on. We still have it, but it's up on blocks. Engine was still good, but the interior was falling apart. I loved driving it. It's a pretty light car, so it could go seriously fast even with its little engine. No tachometer, so I learned to change gears by ear, and I still do that when driving a manual. It was the best car for taking out onto the dirt roads in the middle of nowhere and drifting around way too fast, lol. We had a new mini in the late 00s and early teens, and that one was pretty fun as well.

  • @stillbald5827
    @stillbald5827 2 года назад

    I’d love to see more of these!

  • @yobressik
    @yobressik 2 года назад

    I was doing other things while watching this and I got surprisingly into the races to the point I cheered when they won that last race.

  • @shoshonnie7796
    @shoshonnie7796 2 года назад +2

    People used to actually believe a woman’s uterus would fly out of them if they rode in a car or train

    • @BogeyTheBear
      @BogeyTheBear 2 года назад

      Army generals dismissed the idea of using airplanes for reconaissance because flying a hundred miles per hour everything below the plane must be an incomprehensible blur.

  • @iris4547
    @iris4547 2 года назад

    1:44:48 you cant plan this. absolute perfection.

  • @hailhydra91
    @hailhydra91 2 года назад

    When Mike was trying to catch up during the Colossus race as it looked like they were about to win, I thought to myself "Shake and Bake" and had Talladega Nights memories.

  • @Rich-fr2yv
    @Rich-fr2yv 2 года назад

    Fun car fact: mike thought he was being offensive when he said "Japanese stallion" but there is evidence saying that might actually be how the car was named. The exact same car was sold in the states a dodge during a collaboration with Chrysler and Chrysler recommended the car be named "Mitsubishi stallion"

  • @ReachTea
    @ReachTea Год назад

    dunno how this is their game of the year, trying to play this game with another human being is absolute torture

  • @n7creed629
    @n7creed629 2 года назад +1

    Watching this makes me want to play. And I don’t play racing games.

  • @Ninjia202
    @Ninjia202 2 года назад +5

    can this please become a sometime/regular thing and maybe even bring in johnny.
    also it would be fun to have a community cruise
    or whatever else

  • @god_guts
    @god_guts 2 года назад

    Mike. Luke. Racing. fair is fair and I absolutely love it

  • @LordRefa
    @LordRefa 2 года назад +1

    Such a thrilling race with a good comeback. More please 😄

  • @tehstachegamingllamavision1596
    @tehstachegamingllamavision1596 2 года назад

    Mikes gamechair returns

  • @drew6078
    @drew6078 2 года назад +5

    Andy, Luke is too far gone he can't be save anymore. Keep a close watch on Ellen otherwise Mike and Luke will rope her in their racing games. 😂

    • @christophersmith8316
      @christophersmith8316 2 года назад +1

      She was on the stream where Mike drove his own car, and she seemed into it more than a little.

  • @TheSeriousSquirrelGaming
    @TheSeriousSquirrelGaming 2 года назад

    Drove the F50 when I was doing my drivers license (driving school offered one ride as a bonus)
    The fact that you barely need to touch the gas and it goes up to 30 km/h as soon as you shift into first is just insane.
    Sadly could only push it to 140 km/h, stupid Austrian highways :D

  • @bethenhiemer
    @bethenhiemer 2 года назад

    Lovely stream, I love these games so much. (You two are great as well)

  • @devinsarter9713
    @devinsarter9713 2 года назад +1

    Racing in the SnickersMobile should be a christmas challenge or something!

  • @SquirrelSeb84
    @SquirrelSeb84 2 года назад +2

    The Snickers/Coca-cola liveries gave me flashbacks to my "student lunches" while in my bachelors 18 years ago. Holy something.

  • @travisspaulding5835
    @travisspaulding5835 2 года назад

    I love to see Luke and Mike getting to have some F1 banter

  • @fgcvhhbvjhbj
    @fgcvhhbvjhbj 2 года назад

    I used to love Test Drive Unlimited on the 360. So much fun

    • @fgcvhhbvjhbj
      @fgcvhhbvjhbj 2 года назад

      That feeling when you finally saved up a few million dollars to buy your dream car and you have to drive to the dealership and pull in

  • @nagash303
    @nagash303 2 года назад

    Magical Sound Shower >>> Passing Breeze >>> Splash Wave

  • @nathan.w4981
    @nathan.w4981 2 года назад

    I think I got a second hand forza gambling addiction thanks to those wheels, I have now downloaded the game

  • @sickingc
    @sickingc 2 года назад

    "S2 being the fastest" X class cries in the corner

  • @AchtungBeccaC
    @AchtungBeccaC 2 года назад +7

    Just started watching the stream on my lunch break, but what a treat!
    Edit: Mike makes me want to get an Xbox to get this game. Me, an avowed PlayStation girl! 😮

    • @Demonprincess666
      @Demonprincess666 2 года назад

      Any recommendations for a similar good racing game on PS4? 🧐🤗

  • @sirjonsnow
    @sirjonsnow 2 года назад +1

    OMG please just smash that billboard you keep driving near while trying to decide what cars to use!

  • @duanegee7636
    @duanegee7636 2 года назад +1

    I love that Luke went with the Konosuba livery at the end there

  • @benracer
    @benracer 2 года назад

    Personally, when I saw that Forza Edition Pagani, I hoped it would get picked because I know how well it does corners.

  • @barryhale9364
    @barryhale9364 2 года назад

    Go Brown Lightning,
    You're Burning Up the Quarter Mile,
    Brown Lightning, go Brown Lightning!

  • @BroMan
    @BroMan 2 года назад

    I actually got to see THAT McLaren in person at a car cruise, it was thar bronze orange color. They are so low to the ground it's absurd.

  • @mintyr9368
    @mintyr9368 2 года назад

    Wow, Pixar went in a really different direction for Cars 4. Best film in the series imo.

  • @petermassey3860
    @petermassey3860 2 года назад

    1hr 5min into the stream, I suddenly felt the urge for the refreshing taste of coke and the satisfying taste of a snickers (which is odd because I’m allergic to peanuts)

    • @CodaBlairLucarioEmperor
      @CodaBlairLucarioEmperor 2 года назад

      fun fact. when i was little I was supposed to be allergic to peanuts yet I ate peanut butter in every day during lunch and never had any problems

  • @taylorwalker7417
    @taylorwalker7417 2 года назад +5

    I love Forza New Horizon Zero Dawn!

  • @BogeyTheBear
    @BogeyTheBear 2 года назад

    50:35 Seriously, if you turn on Damage, any custom Goliath run that's longer than 3 laps is impossible to finish because your tires will have lost any grip going into Lap 4.

  • @beosor4234
    @beosor4234 2 года назад

    I have played a few Racing Games, for me personally the best one was Sega GT 2002 for the OG Xbox.

  • @Pillock25
    @Pillock25 2 года назад

    30:29 You joke (I don't know, maybe you're serious) but the old Marlboro Mclaren livery is still my favourite or the Peter Brock years of the late 70's and early 80's and the Marlboro Torana's and Commodore's, simple, clean.

  • @DarkLimpan
    @DarkLimpan 2 года назад

    I can't believe that the car-guy Mike got beaten by Luke?
    Anyway, I wish my PC could handle this game. My old Xbox 360 for PC pad needs to see some action.

  • @Hedgehogking5
    @Hedgehogking5 2 года назад

    haven't p[layed one of these games in years. brought back so much enjoyment :)

  • @timothyoswald8618
    @timothyoswald8618 2 года назад

    This is the only Xbox exclusive that makes want an Xbox. Or a non-potato PC...

  • @MrUkraider
    @MrUkraider 2 года назад +1

    Happy New Year guys, this should be a lot of fun ( this is Luke's chance to prove people wrong, Mike included ) Luke trying to beat Mike at his own game and thing. Hope you Mike and Luke had great festive holidays and have recovered from your Christmas content.

  • @BogeyTheBear
    @BogeyTheBear 2 года назад

    Just learned that you can gift cars to other players via the barn finds. Alas, the intended recipient is random. Otherwise I would have given you guys a few modestly upgraded Corvettes of various vintages (except the C5, IMO the ugliest of the 'Vettes).

  • @ChadKenova
    @ChadKenova 2 года назад

    Ive put 100 hours into FH5 as of yesterday, horizon definitely my favorite racing series of all time it was gran tourismo in the ps1/ps2 era but soon as I played Forza Motorsports on the original Xbox I never looked back. I remember just loving being able to leave tire marks and smoke. Its one game I always buy every dlc love those expansions especially the hot wheels. And there’s 3 games this month I want dying light 2, horizon forbidden west and elden ring. I have been buying most games lately on the ps5 or SX even though my pc is more powerful. It all comes down to how much I hate digital games, it’s just a long long rental I prefer having a physical copy. The only advantage to digital is you can be lazy and not have to get up and get a disc out of the case and put it in the console. And it would be different if digital was cheaper and 85% of the time it’s more expensive which is really stupid.