will confess I too was a little thrown by the expert guy having like a 1:200 scale toy for a reference model. You'd imagine they have 1:20 models galore of all those soviet era types
@@innelator6941 I'd doubt even that. The Mi-24 is unique in this case. Too assault for a light-armed transport heli, too underpowered for a comparison with the DAP modificiation but can keep the troop carrying function in anyway, the DAP doesn't carry troops. Also, when the Hind is full-loaded, it doesn't take off exactly vertically. It takes off almost plane style, requiring a runway
Comparing the Hind and the Apache is even dumber when you compare how they fight The Apache stands off and attacks at a hover from afar shooting missiles, guided rockets, and it's gun The Hind on the other hand keeps moving. It uses its speed to come in and get out of a target area fast in order to confuse and scare the enemy with semi-surprise attacks. They're both designed for 2 very different styles of combat. The Apache could very much mimic this attack profile but it wouldn't have as much speed or armor to get that personal and the Hind could hover from afar but it's weapons don't have the range nor does the Hind have as good maneuverability from a hover to just drop below cover or start evading whatever enemy fire does come it's way.
0:51 that's the best model of a Mi-24 you came up with?! I hope that which ever staff kid who donated his toy helicopter for this segment got it back afterwards :D
The most hilarious part of this entire war is watching US media try to explain how soviet era equipment is better then the exact same soviet era equipment they are being shot at with
That's not even sort of what's happening, but sure. I'm guessing you assume the f14s the Iranians have are exactly the same as the ones we continually upgraded for 20 plus years after theirs were delivered 😂
The Apache is a better heli along with the obvious fact these are outdated undertrained and not mass produced assault copters that can’t compete with Russia. Very glorified one sided view of this heli.
@@connerflowers7358ye apache is Great but can it ride a platoon of troops at the same time? I guess not. The US should really consider adopting a "Battle Taxi" Doctrine into their fleet. Since their current doctrine in regards of Rotary Combat AC is pretty much resource intensive that not many countries could follow or even adopt at the first place
WSJ at its best of expertise... again. Half-assed research and the only accurate info delivered by the specialist consultant are misunderstood. Good job.
@@TheJustinJ es justo al revés amigo... Hicieron muchas cosas muy bien y algunas son basura igual pasa con el armamento occidental, la mayoria esta muy bien pero hay algunas cosas que son basura.. no todo puede ser perfecto, y algun armamento de un bando tiene ventajas en algunos aspectos sobre el bando contrario y viceversa.
other vehicles have also been called "flying tanks" for a reason. The SU-25 can literally survive multiple hits from manpads and the KA-52 can survive AA guns and will still fly without its tail.
No? They’ve been proven to be a flying tank, did you see the video of a KA-52 returning back to base without a tail? Did you see the video of a SU-25 tanking manpads and the plane still ends up delivering its support?
The rocket itself dosent have a guidence system but the pilot can have a sight that helps if firing somewhat accurate on longer distances or as a barrage.@@naizeylines
Yes, but that is only in English language usage. In some foreign languages there is no distinction as they may be missing either of the 2 words, or they have the same exact meaning. And what Battlefield 4 has thought me, is that Hydra 70 rocket can be turned into a precision guided munition (PGM, aka smart rockets), blurring the whole missile/rocket nomenclature, enough to be understanding of how others are using their language.
You don't know the definition of 'dedicated.' The Mi24 is COMPROMISED as an assault chopper because of its ability to carry troops. A Huey with missiles and guns is lethal but the military decided to build a dedicated assault version without the troops section to make it a smaller target and thus the Cobra was born.
If they are managing to make Hydras work on an Mi-24 which wasn't meant for it props to them. If they can get APKWS working and functional on top of that MAJOR props to them.
@@Tradiejoe284 Next time you retrofit a soviet helicopter to not only carry but also fire American weapons I’ll make sure to downplay your achievement.
I'd doubt that. The pre-Mi-35 modifications sport very weak targetting systems. I mean, they can barrage MLRS-style, but precision strikes with APKWS? Very doubtfully. You should see the stock YakB-12.7 machine gun targetting station. It didn't go anything near digital until the Russian Mi-35/Mi-35M with the GSh-23 cannon. They got thermals after that
@@sergeyalaev9393 that's exactly what I'm saying, they likely as reporters don't know the differences as they also made many mistakes about weapon loadouts for the guns of the Mi-24 so I wouldn't doubt if they are wrong
Long story short, if the mi 24 is with Russia, it's junk, if its with Ukraine, its a beast, ACCORDING TO WESTERN MEDIA OFFCOARSE. the Russians literally have an upgraded version of it with a professor s system onboard (EW system).
It's a little odd that during the Soviet Era, Ukraine was a major arms industry for them but they can't figure out how to jerry rig or modernize weapons for themselves.
@@RatherCrunchyMuffin same people but different environment, like the big corporation you were working at suddenly disappearing now you work for a smaller company
@@RatherCrunchyMuffin guess what - the majority of the soviet union engineers were not russian :) they didn't evaporate, but they also did not all magically start working for russia after the fall of the soviet union
There was SO much wrong in this video, seriously. Also, how come you just report on Ukraine using the Mi-24? 😆So many other militaries have the Mi-24 and far superior modernized variants.
Так WSJ деньги уплочены только чтоб напяливать корону на вооруженные силы украины, и не на какие другие армии. Только украинская армия "самая лучшая" - такой "заказ". Или ты всерьёз считаешь WSJ хорошими экспертами по вооружениям? Та я тебя умоляю... 😂 За что заплатили, то они поют.
The most modern and capable mi24 variants are not operated by Russia or Ukraine, many former block countries have modernized mi24’s greatly in effort to westernize and improve the platform.
You're wrong about Russia, Russia has plenty. But foreign countries are adding western equipment onto the already modernized aircraft, take the Super Hind for example.@@Rutherfordium2023
I love American jets but hats off to Russia for making arguably the most iconic helicopter of all time (Apache ain’t iconic and Cobra is 2nd to hind 💯)
You're right. Iconic, among basic aviation enthusiasts or the general public. The Bell UH-1 Huey is possibly even more iconic, especially among a certain generation. It's even featured in Metallicas most famous song. Everybody on the planet knows that sound. Friend or foe. But nothing on the planet compares to the Jolly Green Giant. Sikorsky MH-53. ~ The Pave Low has $h!t the Hind ain't never seen before. The missions it accomplished would have been suicide in a Hind. Or Huey. Or maybe more iconic in look, and raw performance, is the tandem rotor Boeing CH-47 Chinook. Or the crazy steath tech of a Boeing-Sikorsky RAH-66 Comanche. It was so far ahead of its time, it was not even needed. Think F-22, in a Helicopter. It's stealth research was utilized in the Blackhawk mods for the Bin Laden raid.
That's very interesting how WSJ explains in details how Russian(soviet) helicopter works especially when Ukrainians are eagerly trying to get rid of everything what is related to the soviet era. This helicopter is a good example what USSR was making, Russian continue and make it better and what Ukraine can't and will not be able to make in foreseen future.
@@warbrain1053it did. The manufacturing industry of Ukraine lied in the East, in regions such as Kharkiv and Donbas. Kharkiv is under fire, so production is limited, if not nonexistent. And as for Donbas? Well, the majority of them are Russian now.
@@lucks4fools978 industrial production just shifted westward especially as Ukrainian air defenses are expanded by Western systems protecting Ukrainian population centers.
@@warbrain1053 The fact is that after the USSR was destroyed (not collapse, the country was simply destroyed), many military production facilities remained in Ukraine, ranging from tanks to shells. The aviation industry was there too. But the new leadership of Ukraine decided to destroy it all, steal and sell it. As a result, the military-industrial complex was strangely at a low level, and if they could produce anything, it was simply to modernize Soviet-era production equipment. And then in a single quantity. Дело в том, что после того как разрушили СССР (не распада, страну просто разрушили) на Украине осталось множество объектов военного производства, начиная от танков и заканчивая снарядами. Авиационная промышленность тоже была там. Но новое руководство Украины решило все это развалить, украсть и продать. В результате ВПК странно находился на низком уровне, и если и могли что-то производить, так это просто модернизировать производственное оборудование советских времен. И то в единичном количестве.
@Belgua_ZOV Refurbishment of stored T-72s is the overwhelming share of Russian monthly production as well. There is no significant production of tanks, only refurbishment in this war.
Apache are too expensive even in India we have moved to indeginous attack heli prachand but our requirement is different also our heli fly in Himalayas where iaf apache couldn’t even reach
Apache is a sophisticated combat helicopter it's not a Toyota corolla. It requires a full team of technicians and other specialists for maintenance , repairs and support etc. Training a competent maintenance and suppoet crew takes years, also lets not forget pilot training. Not to mention the logistical support for spare parts and munitions among many other things. So yeah you can't just " hand" them a brand new piece of equipment and call it a day
@@liuyifei1989 And it blews my head off how Indonesain could equip both Russian and USA's helicopters. They got both Hind and Apache serving their Army Aviation.
@@liuyifei1989 Indeed. What makes me curious was how USA can approve a nation that not even their ally whose also equipping rival's armament to buy their sophisticated attack helicopter.
Goooo AFU s❣️ Ukraine's fortitude. They will fight this dam war with or without anybody else's help. I am feeling so ashamed of our American government backing out of the commitment we initially made to support Ukraine for as long as it takes. Intertwining our border security with our democracy security is a huge mistake. We CAN tackle both issues. Anyway, so proud of Ukraine! 🇺🇦💪
1. Since 2022 summer they used almost exclusively against infaintry and in toss maneures - like most russians helicopters too. But... 2. ...Russian have 8-10km range guided atgms, and Ukraine dont. 3. If USA wasn't so reluctant to sold or gave even some AH-6s in 2019/2020 under Ukrainian request, we would be in far better position
MIL MI24 Hinds were produced not only by Russia but also its satilite states during the Soviet era, when the USSR collapsed each state inherited its equipment still left in the country. As a side note Russia’s only aircraft carrier the admiral kuznetsov was actually constructed in Ukraine and stolen by Russians after the collapse.
@@Rutherfordium2023 AK-47 is assembled in 40+ countries, we still call it Russian 🤠 All of the construction buros and prominent institutes are and were located in Russia even during the Soviet era. Other satellites like Ukraine were merely production facilities.
The mi-24 is not a attack helicopter it’s a helicopter gunship it was designed to be a moti-role helicopter not a dedicated attack helicopter the mi-24 is made to transport troops in a battlefield as well as engage other troops and armored vehicles that’s why it’s well armored and armed. It is not a dedicated attack helicopter.
USA could give Ukraine even helicopters, not only F-16s and A-10s. But it's not given ATACMS missiles even 1/10 of what the US Army fired in 20 days Iraq in 2003 - 414 missiles.
Complimenti alla grande Federazione Russia Complimenti al grande Esercito Rosso Z Complimenti al grande Presidente Putin il numero uno su questa terra Un Presidente con grande capacità e umanità Con un grande popolo grande uno dei migliori popoli su questa terra
The end statement is critical to understanding this war.. UKRAINE wants out from under Russian meddling.. and there in you have all NATO members wanting to give AIDE but in limited technology.
The only thing worth understanding is that the United States overthrew the democratically elected government of Ukraine and turned it into a pro-American nazi hellhole
“Ukraine’s helicopter” developed outside of Moscow by Soviet engineers from Irkutsk. About as Ukrainian as a Leopard tank. Not to say that Ukraine has no history of developing aerospace technology. The largest plane ever built (by all numbers except wingspan) the An-225 was designed for the Soviet space program in Kyiv. Wishing that 2024 bring peace to the world 🕊️
BACKGROUND OF THE CONFLICT "Residents of Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine at the All-Ukrainian referendum on March 27, 1994 agreed to the federal land structure of Ukraine and the consolidation of the Russian language as the state language of Ukraine along with the Ukrainian language, and also supported the use of the Russian language in the territories of Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine in the field of labor relations, office work, when preparing documentation, education and scientific activity. The new authorities of Ukraine, now glorifying the fascists Bandera, Shukhevych and their followers, have become intolerant of the historically established norms of life, as well as the will and religion of the inhabitants of these regions. The actions of the Ukrainian authorities forced residents of certain districts of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine to initiate a referendum and vote in May 2014 for the adoption of the Act of Self-Determination of the Donetsk People's Republic (89%) and the Act of Self-Determination of the Luhansk People's Republic (96%). For eight years, residents of certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine have been living under shelling- and large-caliber weapons. According to the United Nations, more than 10,000 people have been killed, more than 50,000 injured, more than 1.4 million people are displaced inside Ukraine and more than 2.5 million people have arrived in the Russian Federation in an emergency mass order in search of asylum. The Ukrainian authorities have stopped paying pensions and social benefits to residents and established a complete economic blockade of the population and enterprises of certain districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine. It is quite possible to compare the actions of the Ukrainian authorities with the genocide of their own people." As it became known from the originals of secret cipher telegrams captured by Russian servicemen already during the special operation, on January 22, 2022, the commander of the National Guard of Ukraine, Colonel-General M. Balan, gave the heads of the northern Kiev, southern Odessa and western territorial administrations of the National Guard of Ukraine an order to prepare one of the strike groups for offensive actions in the zone of the so-called "operation of the united forces" (OUF) in the Donbass. All measures of the nationalists' combat coordination were ordered to be completed on February 28, 2022, in order to further begin performing combat tasks as part of the Ukrainian "joint forces operation" in the Donbas. Since February 2022, Ukrainian troops have multiplied artillery attacks on Donbass with prohibited large-caliber artillery weapons. Against the background of false statements about the desire for peace, Kiev has begun large-scale artillery preparations for the offensive of a shock group of troops drawn to the east of Ukraine with the support of aviation and missile systems. On February 21, the leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) Denis Pushilin and Leonid Pasechnik appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin with a request to recognize the republics. Denis Pushilin, head of the DPR: "On behalf of the entire people of the DPR, we ask you to recognize the Donetsk People's Republic as an independent, democratic, legal, social state. We also ask you to consider the possibility of concluding an agreement on friendship and cooperation between the DPR and the Russian Federation, providing for cooperation in the field of defense." (Online publication "Science, Society, Defense")
So the Mi24 is "the worlds only assault helicopter" hey? So whats an AH64, a pair of socks? Not even 10 seconds into this video and im banning this channel from my youtube recomendations
these things were built to Obliterate areas with overwhelming firepower between its turret on the nose and the things thos wings can carry...they are monsters
The Hind can fire guided anti-tank, anti-bunker, and anti-ship missiles, whereby the weapons operator in the front guides the missile to the target with a joystick and television camera. There are youtube videos of Warsaw Pact military exercises, MiG-27-s lead the attack, dropping cluster bombs and mines over NATO infantry, which resulted in a horrible slaughter of infantry and immobilized NATO tanks which were suddenly surrounded by a mine field, then came the Hinds, picking up the tanks and isolated pockets of armor, and then the T-72-s rolled over what remained. These huge helicopters were darting from one target to the next like a giant grasshopper, or suddenly emerged from under the trees and put a guided missile into a "NATO-landig ship" in the waters.
@@boiboiboi1419 Actually, it's easy to hide for MANPAD teams in Ukrainian landscape because of the dense overgrowth. MANPADS have fairly long range. Pilots usually don't see they're being targeted by infantry from miles even when it's on a flat desert. MANPADS have been very effective in Ukraine, but Russian helicopers have better countermeasures than they did in Afganistan. They have systems that can blind seeker heads with laser beams, but these have blind spots.
WSJ did a piece on "Russia Has Lost Almost 90% of Its Prewar Army" with 300K death, so the west has already "won" and Russia is collapsing but since ukraine is winning too much, Americans aids will go to Israel instead, they need help with hospitals, children and their own hostages with white flag to kill. Ukraine will continue to win anyway, like how they have been winning without airforce, much fewer artillery, much fewer tanks, much much fewer ballistic missiles, much much fewer FPV drones, no navy, no medium range suicide drones, much fewer long range suicide drones, much fewer air defense system, and no supersonic weapons, much fewer cruise missiles (why they need aids at the first place?) BTW, WSJ just removed the "war in ukraine" topic in their website, Ukraine has won as you all predicted, time to move on to other things
Don't forget that Ukraine also has no GDP so they'll never get to a point where they won't be begging for cash, tens of millions of their citizens fled the country and will never return, their undefended infrastructure is constantly being bombed, they've lost access to port infrastructure making them an effectively landlocked country, their partners in the EU are blockading their roads with civilian trucks effectively blocking their wheat from the EU market, etc. But according to Western media Ukraine has already won. Somewhere on an aircraft carrier behind a smiling George W. Bush there's a banner that reads "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"
Most attack helicopters do not have an ejection seat, most have a hardened shell around the crew. If the helicopter is hit the pilot has to crash land the helicopter and the hardened shell will protect the crew from the impact (it really depends on the situation how survivable being shot down is). However there is an exeption with the russian Kamov Ka-50 & 52, these helicopters have explosive charges on the rotor blades and when the helicopter is hit and the pilot ejects, these charges will blow of the rotors. Then explosive lines on the canopy blow away the glass and a rocket with a rope attached to the seat is fired up into the sky, pulling the pilot out of the helicopter. The effectivenes of the ejection seat is questionable at best because the explosive charges have a high likelihood of failing, especially with subpar russian maintenance. The combat effectiveness of these ejection seats has been put under alot of scrutiny in the war in ukraine, where the russian pilots rarely eject and in the cases where they do the system has not been very succesfull.
Im pretty sure that lady's wrong when she said that helicopter is the world's only assault helicopter. She must of never heard of our USA apache helicopter. The apache is the world's best assault chopper folks!!
The Ukrainians were and are some of the finest engineers in the world thus the upgradation of the Mi-24 not being done by them can be easily explained by the reluctance of their leaders, most of whom were pro-Russian, since their independence and plain simple laziness, which is unlikely given how they had to engage with the Russians since 2014.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but as a helicopter pilot, and having seen them up close and personal, it's my personal opinion that it's a piece of sh... too heavy, unable to hover in order to shoot accurately, too vulnerable to enemy fire, all it does is firing unguided rockets from too far for any accuracy, that's basically just a flying noise machine. The cockpits were not built for actual human pilots, cramped, poor ergonomics for using instruments, systems, or guidance systems, and let's not talk about redundancy and any crew survivability once it gets hit. It can only function in a one sided battlefield, with no opposition that can threaten it, otherwise it's a prime target for manpads or any AAA system, and it's inability to stay hidden while firing makes it completely ineffective. I'd rather go into combat in a Bell-407 with some rockets and guns than in this flying brick. Like most soviet equipment, tanks and aircraft, they never failed to look very intimidating but in real life usually go down with their unlucky crews.
Not once mentioned it's key distinguishing feature! That it combines a transport with an attack helicopter. Compartment for a whole squad and still full attack capabilities... Perfect for air assaults.
@@toolbaggers The title says it will explain why it is the world's only assault helicopter. But they never explain it. They just say it is one, don't say what it means or does
"A Hind D! Colnoel, whats a Russian Gunship doing here?" - Solid Snake to Colnoel Campbell (MGS1) Of course the variant featured in this vid, is the "Mi-24P Hind F" (if anyone cares to know). Other names for this flying tank: Stakan (Drinking Glass), Krokodil (Crocodile), & Satans Chariot (Mujahideen during the Soviet/Afghan War). It's a Beast alright, but a beast that's showing its age & being tamed by MANPADS (Stingers, Iglas & Javelins).
you guys couldn't afford a better model to use other than a matchbox?
will confess I too was a little thrown by the expert guy having like a 1:200 scale toy for a reference model. You'd imagine they have 1:20 models galore of all those soviet era types
This is the one that Ukraine still owns
He did not have an advance notice the reporter was coming.😂
4:12 ''the mi-24 doesn't have a radar like the AH-64 Apache'' and then journalists show an image of an Apache without its radar 😂
Even comparing these 2 helis is embarrassing. Mi24 should be compared to MH-60(if I remember name correctly)
Exactly, it's like comparing a bus and a car, saying the car is better because it's faster. The two vehicles just weren't conceived for the same use
@@innelator6941 I'd doubt even that. The Mi-24 is unique in this case. Too assault for a light-armed transport heli, too underpowered for a comparison with the DAP modificiation but can keep the troop carrying function in anyway, the DAP doesn't carry troops. Also, when the Hind is full-loaded, it doesn't take off exactly vertically. It takes off almost plane style, requiring a runway
They talk about Russia upgrading their mi24’s and then show footage of an mi28 👍
Comparing the Hind and the Apache is even dumber when you compare how they fight
The Apache stands off and attacks at a hover from afar shooting missiles, guided rockets, and it's gun
The Hind on the other hand keeps moving. It uses its speed to come in and get out of a target area fast in order to confuse and scare the enemy with semi-surprise attacks. They're both designed for 2 very different styles of combat. The Apache could very much mimic this attack profile but it wouldn't have as much speed or armor to get that personal and the Hind could hover from afar but it's weapons don't have the range nor does the Hind have as good maneuverability from a hover to just drop below cover or start evading whatever enemy fire does come it's way.
0:51 that's the best model of a Mi-24 you came up with?! I hope that which ever staff kid who donated his toy helicopter for this segment got it back afterwards :D
I would have at least built a scale model. S m h....
It's like the reporter was like, "I'm not going to bring anything to this interview that won't fit in my pockets."
It’s probably the experts personal model, it’s a lot easier to explain to people with a simpler model
I imagine it was just sitt8ng on some office workers desk 😅
I can't tell the difference, there are jet engines, torpedoes, lazors and something something combobulator. I mean, close enough
The most hilarious part of this entire war is watching US media try to explain how soviet era equipment is better then the exact same soviet era equipment they are being shot at with
real
Yeah
That's not even sort of what's happening, but sure. I'm guessing you assume the f14s the Iranians have are exactly the same as the ones we continually upgraded for 20 plus years after theirs were delivered 😂
The most hilarious part is you not hearing that they said that russian mi 24 are more sophisticated and there are more of them.
Yeah, nah, not really mate....I think it was more about Ukrainians doing what they can with what they've got.
Had two of them come in on my team while performing an armored OP by Autobahn 44 back in the summer of '84, they are still a force to be respected.
What was it like being stationed in Germany in the 80s?
@@orion3253 Mostly? Drunk.
@@schlirf Nice.
No matter how obsolete the Mi-24 becomes, it never becomes obsolete.
0:56 really guys? You just couldnt buy a model or do a print? You had him playing with a micro machine....great production value
Ahah, that's gold 😅
Who cares?
uuol strit žurnal
Mi24 is an amazing aircraft...Id love to have one
The Apache is a better heli along with the obvious fact these are outdated undertrained and not mass produced assault copters that can’t compete with Russia. Very glorified one sided view of this heli.
@@connerflowers7358 Comparing apples to oranges.
There is a privately owned ln the US
@@connerflowers7358no it isnt
@@connerflowers7358ye apache is Great but can it ride a platoon of troops at the same time? I guess not. The US should really consider adopting a "Battle Taxi" Doctrine into their fleet. Since their current doctrine in regards of Rotary Combat AC is pretty much resource intensive that not many countries could follow or even adopt at the first place
WSJ at its best of expertise... again.
Half-assed research and the only accurate info delivered by the specialist consultant are misunderstood. Good job.
Soviet technology really is something.😊😊
Absolutely!
They did a few things really well.
Most of it is trash.
@@TheJustinJ es justo al revés amigo... Hicieron muchas cosas muy bien y algunas son basura igual pasa con el armamento occidental, la mayoria esta muy bien pero hay algunas cosas que son basura.. no todo puede ser perfecto, y algun armamento de un bando tiene ventajas en algunos aspectos sobre el bando contrario y viceversa.
@@TheJustinJmost of it *isnt* trash
Is it just me or do they call everything that can take more than 2 50 cal bullets a flying tank?
other vehicles have also been called "flying tanks" for a reason. The SU-25 can literally survive multiple hits from manpads and the KA-52 can survive AA guns and will still fly without its tail.
@blackmagnetica8714 I know those I just feel the phrase "flying tank" is a very widely used term like also the a10 il10 and a lot others
@@zerotheboxer tbf if an aircraft has enough armor you could reasonably call it a “flying tank”, and those aircraft have a lot of armor
The media has the same literary imagination as a spoon, not surprised.
No? They’ve been proven to be a flying tank, did you see the video of a KA-52 returning back to base without a tail? Did you see the video of a SU-25 tanking manpads and the plane still ends up delivering its support?
Couldn't you find a bigger model for the expert? Poor guy.
Perhaps it's the expert's personal model he's had since childhood that he carries around in his pocket and sleeps with underneath his pillow at night.
Rocket=unguided
Missile=guided
That journalist does not seem to know but the specialist obviously does.
rockets can be guided, just saying
@@timothy1949once a rocket is guided it becomes a missile. The only difference between rockets and missiles is does it have a guidance system or not
The rocket itself dosent have a guidence system but the pilot can have a sight that helps if firing somewhat accurate on longer distances or as a barrage.@@naizeylines
Yes, but that is only in English language usage. In some foreign languages there is no distinction as they may be missing either of the 2 words, or they have the same exact meaning. And what Battlefield 4 has thought me, is that Hydra 70 rocket can be turned into a precision guided munition (PGM, aka smart rockets), blurring the whole missile/rocket nomenclature, enough to be understanding of how others are using their language.
. No it can still be called a rocket..ie APKWS.
Mi 24 is my favorite. It can carry troops, while still being a dedicated assault chopper. And,...its a "bomber". It can drop bomds.😉😆👍
It's unique that's for sure
@@bulgaria_681you’re bulgarian? Cus i am
You don't know the definition of 'dedicated.' The Mi24 is COMPROMISED as an assault chopper because of its ability to carry troops.
A Huey with missiles and guns is lethal but the military decided to build a dedicated assault version without the troops section to make it a smaller target and thus the Cobra was born.
@@toolbaggers
Yea I know all of that. It's fine, Banjo
It's a good idea to have a dropship and a warship that will cover its troops on the ground🚁
Good old Russian engineering
Soviet
@@FVBmoviesthe soviets were who? Dutch???
@@justicehenrydamian475 Cluelessness is not a virtue. Many great engineers lived in Soviet occupied territories.
@@justicehenrydamian475
@@FVBmovies which of them created this helicopter? Say their names.
Russian versions of the Mi-24 are more powerful and upgraded, why didn’t you show it or talk about it???
Wow, this was some half-assed research. But then again, it's WSJ. So what was I expecting...
If they are managing to make Hydras work on an Mi-24 which wasn't meant for it props to them. If they can get APKWS working and functional on top of that MAJOR props to them.
It's not that hard when you have engineers that "know" what they're doing, quit the meat riding.
@@Tradiejoe284 Next time you retrofit a soviet helicopter to not only carry but also fire American weapons I’ll make sure to downplay your achievement.
Why are you arguing with the fact I told you to stop glazing Ukraine for doing something that any good engineer can do@@chonkymonkey6988
I'd doubt that. The pre-Mi-35 modifications sport very weak targetting systems. I mean, they can barrage MLRS-style, but precision strikes with APKWS? Very doubtfully. You should see the stock YakB-12.7 machine gun targetting station. It didn't go anything near digital until the Russian Mi-35/Mi-35M with the GSh-23 cannon. They got thermals after that
@@sergeyalaev9393 that's exactly what I'm saying, they likely as reporters don't know the differences as they also made many mistakes about weapon loadouts for the guns of the Mi-24 so I wouldn't doubt if they are wrong
Long story short, if the mi 24 is with Russia, it's junk, if its with Ukraine, its a beast, ACCORDING TO WESTERN MEDIA OFFCOARSE. the Russians literally have an upgraded version of it with a professor s system onboard (EW system).
True,but that’s just propaganda from both sides
Too big. In ukraine ka-52 has proven to be the best chopper. ka-52 has even more chances to survive hit by hand held anti-aircraft missile.
Does Ukraine have the Ka-52? That's a Russian attack helicopter
@@vervetech9395 who said it was ukrainian?
@@korencekis that why 60+ have been shot down?
@@jb76489 wishful thinking.
If the Americans think the Soviet era choppers are obsolete why don't they supply Ukriane with American Vipers, Cobras, Black Hawks etc.
It's a little odd that during the Soviet Era, Ukraine was a major arms industry for them but they can't figure out how to jerry rig or modernize weapons for themselves.
They are jerry rigging and modernizing weapons for themselves
@@smallpeople172 In garages.
@@attilamarics3374 I'm sure not always but a garage certainly helps lol
@@smallpeople172 Against a working military industry? Barely.
That’s exactly what they’re doing. You think 1990s British cruise missiles were meant to be fired from 1970s Soviet attack jets.
Most badass helicopter ever made
Imagine the soviets in the modern era, they’d build some insane stuff with today’s technology
They are still there, just changed hats
When the Soviet Union fell, Russia's military engineers didn't evaporate
@@RatherCrunchyMuffin same people but different environment, like the big corporation you were working at suddenly disappearing now you work for a smaller company
@@RatherCrunchyMuffin guess what - the majority of the soviet union engineers were not russian :) they didn't evaporate, but they also did not all magically start working for russia after the fall of the soviet union
Soviet innovation is an oxymoron
There was SO much wrong in this video, seriously. Also, how come you just report on Ukraine using the Mi-24? 😆So many other militaries have the Mi-24 and far superior modernized variants.
ye russia has 10x as many hinds as ukraine and many of them are probaly more modernized than ukraine
Так WSJ деньги уплочены только чтоб напяливать корону на вооруженные силы украины, и не на какие другие армии. Только украинская армия "самая лучшая" - такой "заказ".
Или ты всерьёз считаешь WSJ хорошими экспертами по вооружениям? Та я тебя умоляю... 😂 За что заплатили, то они поют.
The most modern and capable mi24 variants are not operated by Russia or Ukraine, many former block countries have modernized mi24’s greatly in effort to westernize and improve the platform.
You're wrong about Russia, Russia has plenty. But foreign countries are adding western equipment onto the already modernized aircraft, take the Super Hind for example.@@Rutherfordium2023
I love to watch news sites comment on these kinds of vehicles because they will 100% consult a expert and then continue to get everything wrong
I love American jets but hats off to Russia for making arguably the most iconic helicopter of all time (Apache ain’t iconic and Cobra is 2nd to hind 💯)
You're right.
Iconic, among basic aviation enthusiasts or the general public.
The Bell UH-1 Huey is possibly even more iconic, especially among a certain generation. It's even featured in Metallicas most famous song. Everybody on the planet knows that sound. Friend or foe.
But nothing on the planet compares to the Jolly Green Giant. Sikorsky MH-53. ~ The Pave Low has $h!t the Hind ain't never seen before. The missions it accomplished would have been suicide in a Hind. Or Huey.
Or maybe more iconic in look, and raw performance, is the tandem rotor Boeing CH-47 Chinook.
Or the crazy steath tech of a Boeing-Sikorsky RAH-66 Comanche. It was so far ahead of its time, it was not even needed. Think F-22, in a Helicopter. It's stealth research was utilized in the Blackhawk mods for the Bin Laden raid.
@@TheJustinJ Bell uh huey? Never heard of her
That's very interesting how WSJ explains in details how Russian(soviet) helicopter works especially when Ukrainians are eagerly trying to get rid of everything what is related to the soviet era. This helicopter is a good example what USSR was making, Russian continue and make it better and what Ukraine can't and will not be able to make in foreseen future.
I mean Ukraine has the T-80 and T-64s. Unlike what people think, Ukraine had a very good part in USSR armor and aircraft production
@@warbrain1053it did. The manufacturing industry of Ukraine lied in the East, in regions such as Kharkiv and Donbas. Kharkiv is under fire, so production is limited, if not nonexistent. And as for Donbas? Well, the majority of them are Russian now.
@@lucks4fools978 industrial production just shifted westward especially as Ukrainian air defenses are expanded by Western systems protecting Ukrainian population centers.
@@warbrain1053 The fact is that after the USSR was destroyed (not collapse, the country was simply destroyed), many military production facilities remained in Ukraine, ranging from tanks to shells. The aviation industry was there too. But the new leadership of Ukraine decided to destroy it all, steal and sell it. As a result, the military-industrial complex was strangely at a low level, and if they could produce anything, it was simply to modernize Soviet-era production equipment. And then in a single quantity.
Дело в том, что после того как разрушили СССР (не распада, страну просто разрушили) на Украине осталось множество объектов военного производства, начиная от танков и заканчивая снарядами. Авиационная промышленность тоже была там. Но новое руководство Украины решило все это развалить, украсть и продать. В результате ВПК странно находился на низком уровне, и если и могли что-то производить, так это просто модернизировать производственное оборудование советских времен. И то в единичном количестве.
@Belgua_ZOV Refurbishment of stored T-72s is the overwhelming share of Russian monthly production as well. There is no significant production of tanks, only refurbishment in this war.
Its a sad day when the WSJ cant afford a model bigger than a match box car. Who made this, are they serious with this content?
Let them have apache i want to see how they perform in a contested air space ; ka-52 had it shoot so far its the best in the field
Apache are too expensive even in India we have moved to indeginous attack heli prachand but our requirement is different also our heli fly in Himalayas where iaf apache couldn’t even reach
Apache is a sophisticated combat helicopter it's not a Toyota corolla. It requires a full team of technicians and other specialists for maintenance , repairs and support etc. Training a competent maintenance and suppoet crew takes years, also lets not forget pilot training. Not to mention the logistical support for spare parts and munitions among many other things. So yeah you can't just " hand" them a brand new piece of equipment and call it a day
@@liuyifei1989 And it blews my head off how Indonesain could equip both Russian and USA's helicopters. They got both Hind and Apache serving their Army Aviation.
@@pacedior yeah but I think there was a 4 year training and integration period tho.
@@liuyifei1989 Indeed. What makes me curious was how USA can approve a nation that not even their ally whose also equipping rival's armament to buy their sophisticated attack helicopter.
Goooo AFU s❣️ Ukraine's fortitude. They will fight this dam war with or without anybody else's help. I am feeling so ashamed of our American government backing out of the commitment we initially made to support Ukraine for as long as it takes. Intertwining our border security with our democracy security is a huge mistake. We CAN tackle both issues. Anyway, so proud of Ukraine! 🇺🇦💪
This croc saved us in 2001 from Kosovo paramilitary
brilliant russian helicopter
Looks really cool in Ukrainian colors
One thing is for sure,she may be old but shes a beauty.
1. Since 2022 summer they used almost exclusively against infaintry and in toss maneures - like most russians helicopters too. But...
2. ...Russian have 8-10km range guided atgms, and Ukraine dont.
3. If USA wasn't so reluctant to sold or gave even some AH-6s in 2019/2020 under Ukrainian request, we would be in far better position
You lot will be asking for an carrier group next year
@@Sunshine-sl3kr well, if you didnt took from us not inly nukes, but even conventional missiles, we wouldnt ask about anything
@@Sunshine-sl3kr and i bet you wont asking US unconditional support for Israel or other agressive undemocratic force in Middle East
Why do you call it Ukrainian if it's been produced by Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant in Russia 🤔
MIL MI24 Hinds were produced not only by Russia but also its satilite states during the Soviet era, when the USSR collapsed each state inherited its equipment still left in the country. As a side note Russia’s only aircraft carrier the admiral kuznetsov was actually constructed in Ukraine and stolen by Russians after the collapse.
@@Rutherfordium2023 AK-47 is assembled in 40+ countries, we still call it Russian 🤠 All of the construction buros and prominent institutes are and were located in Russia even during the Soviet era. Other satellites like Ukraine were merely production facilities.
well then you would be referring to place of design in which case you would be correct.@@ikaustralia
@@ikaustraliaUkraine was not a sattelite state
@@kanestalin7246 what was it if it worked for the Soviet Union?
Honestly, one of the coolest and most rugged helicopters ever made imo. It would be cool to see one completely overhauled for the modern battlefield
The first time I see American tell that the Soviet helicopter is good
The mi-24 is not a attack helicopter it’s a helicopter gunship it was designed to be a moti-role helicopter not a dedicated attack helicopter the mi-24 is made to transport troops in a battlefield as well as engage other troops and armored vehicles that’s why it’s well armored and armed. It is not a dedicated attack helicopter.
Translation: Ukraine has plenty of good stuff, more US funding is unecessary
USA could give Ukraine even helicopters, not only F-16s and A-10s. But it's not given ATACMS missiles even 1/10 of what the US Army fired in 20 days Iraq in 2003 - 414 missiles.
Let have apache
No more
So u basically want to see A-10 and F16 being shot down?
We have given them ATACMS missiles, just not enough.
where'd you get that display prop MI-24, a kinder egg? 😂
Worlds only assault helicopter? Dang these millennial reporters/ writers are dopes.
I miss good unbiased reporting
Game changer? 😂
Everything for them is game changer. I mean they need to lie to everybody to steal even more $$$
0:55 dawg wft is that 😂😂😂
that's the saddest looking model helicopter I have ever seen
WSJ 😃
Complimenti alla grande Federazione Russia
Complimenti al grande Esercito Rosso Z
Complimenti al grande Presidente Putin il numero uno su questa terra
Un Presidente con grande capacità e umanità
Con un grande popolo grande uno dei migliori popoli su questa terra
In the long term Ukraine must come to living in peace with Russia. Attempting to kick Russia out of Crimea was and is a huge mistake.
Too late,it seems, like they will lose lots of territories, and will be extremely poor.
Future is dark
Love this🤙🏼 Innovative and strategic
These videos are so cringe news outlets thinking they are weapon experts😂
It must hurt to have your own weapons used against yourself.
Apache was introduced in 1980s😂
The end statement is critical to understanding this war.. UKRAINE wants out from under Russian meddling.. and there in you have all NATO members wanting to give AIDE but in limited technology.
The only thing worth understanding is that the United States overthrew the democratically elected government of Ukraine and turned it into a pro-American nazi hellhole
did you hear anything about KA-52 assault helicopter?
He last minute borrowed his grandson's toy for a work meeting he completely forgot about
The US has the armed UH-60. It does the same thing with more advanced weapons.
That's like a feather weight fighter against a heavy weight.
So thats the Savage
worlds only assault helicopter? i had my laugh for the day.
“Ukraine’s helicopter” developed outside of Moscow by Soviet engineers from Irkutsk. About as Ukrainian as a Leopard tank. Not to say that Ukraine has no history of developing aerospace technology. The largest plane ever built (by all numbers except wingspan) the An-225 was designed for the Soviet space program in Kyiv. Wishing that 2024 bring peace to the world 🕊️
‘Flying tank’ lol it’s a troop transport that can fight.
I remember this helicopter from Metal Gear Solid. Shot it down with a stinger.
It took me 3 shots in Peacewalker
BACKGROUND OF THE CONFLICT
"Residents of Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine at the All-Ukrainian referendum on March 27, 1994 agreed to the federal land structure of Ukraine and the consolidation of the Russian language as the state language of Ukraine along with the Ukrainian language, and also supported the use of the Russian language in the territories of Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine in the field of labor relations, office work, when preparing documentation, education and scientific activity.
The new authorities of Ukraine, now glorifying the fascists Bandera, Shukhevych and their followers, have become intolerant of the historically established norms of life, as well as the will and religion of the inhabitants of these regions. The actions of the Ukrainian authorities forced residents of certain districts of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine to initiate a referendum and vote in May 2014 for the adoption of the Act of Self-Determination of the Donetsk People's Republic (89%) and the Act of Self-Determination of the Luhansk People's Republic (96%).
For eight years, residents of certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine have been living under shelling- and large-caliber weapons. According to the United Nations, more than 10,000 people have been killed, more than 50,000 injured, more than 1.4 million people are displaced inside Ukraine and more than 2.5 million people have arrived in the Russian Federation in an emergency mass order in search of asylum. The Ukrainian authorities have stopped paying pensions and social benefits to residents and established a complete economic blockade of the population and enterprises of certain districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine. It is quite possible to compare the actions of the Ukrainian authorities with the genocide of their own people."
As it became known from the originals of secret cipher telegrams captured by Russian servicemen already during the special operation, on January 22, 2022, the commander of the National Guard of Ukraine, Colonel-General M. Balan, gave the heads of the northern Kiev, southern Odessa and western territorial administrations of the National Guard of Ukraine an order to prepare one of the strike groups for offensive actions in the zone of the so-called "operation of the united forces" (OUF) in the Donbass. All measures of the nationalists' combat coordination were ordered to be completed on February 28, 2022, in order to further begin performing combat tasks as part of the Ukrainian "joint forces operation" in the Donbas.
Since February 2022, Ukrainian troops have multiplied artillery attacks on Donbass with prohibited large-caliber artillery weapons. Against the background of false statements about the desire for peace, Kiev has begun large-scale artillery preparations for the offensive of a shock group of troops drawn to the east of Ukraine with the support of aviation and missile systems.
On February 21, the leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) Denis Pushilin and Leonid Pasechnik appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin with a request to recognize the republics.
Denis Pushilin, head of the DPR: "On behalf of the entire people of the DPR, we ask you to recognize the Donetsk People's Republic as an independent, democratic, legal, social state. We also ask you to consider the possibility of concluding an agreement on friendship and cooperation between the DPR and the Russian Federation, providing for cooperation in the field of defense."
(Online publication "Science, Society, Defense")
So the Mi24 is "the worlds only assault helicopter" hey? So whats an AH64, a pair of socks? Not even 10 seconds into this video and im banning this channel from my youtube recomendations
Is this good for home defense?
“A Hind-D?! Colonel… what’s a Russian gunship doing here?”
Mi-24V replaced Mi-24D. D is from 1972, V started in 1975. Is that from a game or something ? The one on video is Mi-24P, made from 1981.
these things were built to Obliterate areas with overwhelming firepower between its turret on the nose and the things thos wings can carry...they are monsters
"Protected by laminated and plexi glass?" Wth
The Hind can fire guided anti-tank, anti-bunker, and anti-ship missiles, whereby the weapons operator in the front guides the missile to the target with a joystick and television camera. There are youtube videos of Warsaw Pact military exercises, MiG-27-s lead the attack, dropping cluster bombs and mines over NATO infantry, which resulted in a horrible slaughter of infantry and immobilized NATO tanks which were suddenly surrounded by a mine field, then came the Hinds, picking up the tanks and isolated pockets of armor, and then the T-72-s rolled over what remained. These huge helicopters were darting from one target to the next like a giant grasshopper, or suddenly emerged from under the trees and put a guided missile into a "NATO-landig ship" in the waters.
Lol
We all saw how russia did simular excercices. Only to get slaughtered when tested
Serbia bought a squadron of Mi24s from Cyprus, and by doing this stopped these helicopters from ending up in Ukraine
Where did you say it is located? I need exact coordinates
Kyiv, go and try to take.
@@toolbaggers ожидайте
@@mEDIUMGap waiting 2 years now
Thanks #WSJ Great work as always
The a-10 of choppers?
Two words: Stinger Missiles... They worked in Afghanistan...
well its a good thing we aren't selling them to Russia
@@SizzleCorndogsad to say they have their own manpads equivalent to stingers
Afghanistan are mountainous, stingers operator well hidden and can reach it altitude quickly
Not so much in Ukraine
@@ralpjosephjavelosa7451 The Verba is, in fact, much better than Stingers.
@@boiboiboi1419 Actually, it's easy to hide for MANPAD teams in Ukrainian landscape because of the dense overgrowth. MANPADS have fairly long range. Pilots usually don't see they're being targeted by infantry from miles even when it's on a flat desert. MANPADS have been very effective in Ukraine, but Russian helicopers have better countermeasures than they did in Afganistan. They have systems that can blind seeker heads with laser beams, but these have blind spots.
The expert showing us on a tiny children’s toy was quite ridiculous for a serious subject.
It's his personal toy that he sleeps with.
It's hilarious how this expert is explaining this helicopter using a hot wheels toy LOL
WSJ did a piece on "Russia Has Lost Almost 90% of Its Prewar Army" with 300K death, so the west has already "won" and Russia is collapsing
but since ukraine is winning too much, Americans aids will go to Israel instead, they need help with hospitals, children and their own hostages with white flag to kill.
Ukraine will continue to win anyway, like how they have been winning without airforce, much fewer artillery, much fewer tanks, much much fewer ballistic missiles, much much fewer FPV drones, no navy, no medium range suicide drones, much fewer long range suicide drones, much fewer air defense system, and no supersonic weapons, much fewer cruise missiles (why they need aids at the first place?)
BTW, WSJ just removed the "war in ukraine" topic in their website, Ukraine has won as you all predicted, time to move on to other things
The WaPo website removed the war in ukraine topic not the WSJ website
Don't forget that Ukraine also has no GDP so they'll never get to a point where they won't be begging for cash, tens of millions of their citizens fled the country and will never return, their undefended infrastructure is constantly being bombed, they've lost access to port infrastructure making them an effectively landlocked country, their partners in the EU are blockading their roads with civilian trucks effectively blocking their wheat from the EU market, etc.
But according to Western media Ukraine has already won. Somewhere on an aircraft carrier behind a smiling George W. Bush there's a banner that reads "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"
I give you gold medal in mental gymnastics. Russia is totally wining guys 🤡😂
Can anyone answer if this heli gets shot down is there an eject option or are they going down with it?
Most attack helicopters do not have an ejection seat, most have a hardened shell around the crew. If the helicopter is hit the pilot has to crash land the helicopter and the hardened shell will protect the crew from the impact (it really depends on the situation how survivable being shot down is). However there is an exeption with the russian Kamov Ka-50 & 52, these helicopters have explosive charges on the rotor blades and when the helicopter is hit and the pilot ejects, these charges will blow of the rotors. Then explosive lines on the canopy blow away the glass and a rocket with a rope attached to the seat is fired up into the sky, pulling the pilot out of the helicopter. The effectivenes of the ejection seat is questionable at best because the explosive charges have a high likelihood of failing, especially with subpar russian maintenance. The combat effectiveness of these ejection seats has been put under alot of scrutiny in the war in ukraine, where the russian pilots rarely eject and in the cases where they do the system has not been very succesfull.
Thats my fave helicopter!!
mi-24 ain't Ukrainian...
Im pretty sure that lady's wrong when she said that helicopter is the world's only assault helicopter. She must of never heard of our USA apache helicopter. The apache is the world's best assault chopper folks!!
The Ukrainians were and are some of the finest engineers in the world thus the upgradation of the Mi-24 not being done by them can be easily explained by the reluctance of their leaders, most of whom were pro-Russian, since their independence and plain simple laziness, which is unlikely given how they had to engage with the Russians since 2014.
Next, the Siege Chopper from Red Alert 2, maybe.
They could have found a better plastic model for the poor guy, jeeez!
Amazing technology!! wait a minute ...
The world's only assault helicopter?
The beast
and you wonder why are journalists not taken seriouslz lol
Sorry to burst your bubble, but as a helicopter pilot, and having seen them up close and personal, it's my personal opinion that it's a piece of sh... too heavy, unable to hover in order to shoot accurately, too vulnerable to enemy fire, all it does is firing unguided rockets from too far for any accuracy, that's basically just a flying noise machine. The cockpits were not built for actual human pilots, cramped, poor ergonomics for using instruments, systems, or guidance systems, and let's not talk about redundancy and any crew survivability once it gets hit.
It can only function in a one sided battlefield, with no opposition that can threaten it, otherwise it's a prime target for manpads or any AAA system, and it's inability to stay hidden while firing makes it completely ineffective. I'd rather go into combat in a Bell-407 with some rockets and guns than in this flying brick.
Like most soviet equipment, tanks and aircraft, they never failed to look very intimidating but in real life usually go down with their unlucky crews.
Not once mentioned it's key distinguishing feature! That it combines a transport with an attack helicopter. Compartment for a whole squad and still full attack capabilities... Perfect for air assaults.
They did mention it. Briefly within ten seconds of the video. I guess your memory is no good?
@@toolbaggers The title says it will explain why it is the world's only assault helicopter. But they never explain it. They just say it is one, don't say what it means or does
I would want to see alligator vs apache
I would have gladly donated my Mi-24 model (in Ukraine military colours) rather than free happy meal toy!
the only assault helicopter? you don't count the Apache and Super Cobra?
Those are attack helos, they can't ferry soldiers into the field. Whereas the Mil 24 can both ferry soldiers into the field and then support them.
"A Hind D! Colnoel, whats a Russian Gunship doing here?" - Solid Snake to Colnoel Campbell (MGS1)
Of course the variant featured in this vid, is the "Mi-24P Hind F" (if anyone cares to know). Other names for this flying tank: Stakan (Drinking Glass), Krokodil (Crocodile), & Satans Chariot (Mujahideen during the Soviet/Afghan War). It's a Beast alright, but a beast that's showing its age & being tamed by MANPADS (Stingers, Iglas & Javelins).
Clearly these guys haven’t played Battlefield 2042 and see how capable that helicopter is…😂🤪
Well, in bf2042 is super hind
Pretty sure they haven't played Midway 1942 either
Where is the cope cage?
Dear WSJ, Stop trying to sell villa to me.
RCS is what I say to that.