The Redemption of “Washed Up” Quarterbacks
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Outro- The Fix by Aldous Young
Mayfield getting out of Cleveland was the best thing to ever happen to him
That and Baker matured as a QB.
And just one of the things on the laundry list of mistakes for the browns
I think Carolina humbled him, went to the Rams and balled out.
As a browns fan, he needed to be humbled and to mature. I think him bouncing from team to team and becoming a father has made him a different person. Happy for his success
@@manzac112he was already good
Nick Foles easily had the best redemption run in recent years
That’s what I’m saying and I’m a vikings fan I want McCarthy to be our franchise QB just because we have a really bad history with back ups 😂
@@Sheistyy10Christian Ponder, Bradford, Tarvaris Jackson and others just naming a few. Quite the pool of QBs in recent memory
Nick foles beating Brady in the super Brady by catching a touchdown was the best comeback. It wasn’t a full season but it was the biggest game
@@brettrossi034 the only great qb Minnesota ever had was fran tarkenton and you could argue joe kapp
@@Sheistyy10 culpepper and favre erasure???
Sam Darnold is proof that Adam Gase has no business being anywhere near any QB, ever.
Fr fr
Help Flacco comeback atleast
I was about to say the same thing LOL. I have always had faith in Darnold, but his career was rookie year, 2 years under Gase, traded to Panthers where he played 2 years, and then traded to 49ers to sit under Purdy. This is the first year he's actually had a chance to succeed and I love it.
@@maxreboh3204 Helps when you have a good pass-blocking O-line, quality receivers (JJ, Hock and Addison) and an offensive coordinator who knows what he's doing. Dude always had the arm talent, now he has the weapons and coaching to become what he was drafted to be.
Ideal scenario would be to resign with the Vikes for 2 years and let McCarthy sit and learn.
Except for Jay Cutler. Bears fans were actually sad to see him go
I'll never forget Tannehill's linsanity run.
Nah fr
He went crazy 2019
Man could he hand that ball off to Henry 😂
@@Fatjack1and he was DAMN good at it 😂 I mean of course he didn't rub any super powers off on Henry to carry that offense, but he did assist a bit
@@Fatjack1He threw for 33 TDs in 2020 and ran for 7, but go off, I guess.
That's why development of the QBs is more important than just drafting one and also BUILDING THE RIGHT TEAM AROUND THEM ALSO HELPS! Why is it so hard for teams to understand that?!
You don't understand. Every QB needs to put up 1984 Dan Marino numbers in their rookie season. Anything less, and they're trash.
Seems like only the packers can do it lol
@@bigmike9546 And the Chargers as well....
True but some of the blame still goes to these QB's too though, doesn't it? I mean if you have 3-4 years to prove yourself and fail - maybe its time to move on.
@napalmblaziken you're not wrong. They have no time for incompetence.
There will be a new draft next year. So you better play well or that senior in college is going to take your job.
Surprised there was no mention of Andy Dalton here. It was one game but Cincy fans must be so happy he looked like his mid-2010s self last week
the video was probably edited before this past sunday. But as a panthers fan i agree. Andy Dalton is my hero
Did Dalton really need to be redeemed though? He had a solid career for the Bengals he’s just older now
he had a very solid career with the team he was drafted by
TCU legend! Beat JJ Watts Wisconsin in bowl game. Legend
@michaeljackson4967 how tf u say that when he references teams being 3-0 that didn't play on Thursday. Did u watch the video?
I’m convinced that Minnesota gave Sam Darnold the cure for seeing ghosts.
Must have performed a Viking ritual to do that lol 😂
It was probably just when he was on the 49ers for Iike 2 weeks
No they just decided to give it to Leremy Tunsil last game...
Justin Jefferson?
The cure is Justin Jefferson. All he has to do is throw the ball and Jefferson is down there somewhere.
More evidence that not every QB can or should be thrown out on the field his rookie year, people forget his first coach for multiple years was Adam Gase
Literally what I’m thinking with both Caleb Williams and Justin Fields. The Bears are literally throwing talent out the window with how they are handling their rookies given that Justin Fields is 3/3 with the Steelers when starting and Caleb Williams is literally looking like a bust.
@@griffin8er845it is entirely too early to declare Caleb a bust.
@@hellowhirled you entirely missed the point of the comment. I was one of the hardest “Justin Fields is not a bust he is on a bad team” proponents. I was proven right immediately when he began starting for the Steelers and has gone 3/3 with very solid QB ratings. Similarly Caleb Williams is on a bad team and he is beginning to look like a bust because, again, he is on a bad team. Once he gets out of Chicago (inevitably will happen because the organization is a heaping pile of garbage) he will flourish and play well. If you would’ve put the context together with the video, you would’ve seen that what I was saying is that the 5 really bad teams in the NFL (Bears, Browns, Titans, Panthers, Raiders) have pretty horrendous organizations that do not allow players to grow and flourish. That’s why teams like the Eagles, the Chiefs, the Vikings, the Packers, etc can be expected to be good no matter their starters -because they are just run better.
I also think the 2020/21 college seasons may have been hard on QB prospects as the weird covid schedules hindered development. Plus defenses have caught back up to NFL offenses, so being a rookie QB is going to be hard again if you're not CJ Stroud.
@@griffin8er845 you're right, i did misread your comment. i think i agree with you, i just don't feel comfortable judging anything like this so early in CW's career. i WILL say that he should start painting his nails orange for games. maybe he'll play better. who knows.
If Zack Wilson gets his redemption somehow, the jets should never ever draft a top qb prospect ever again
Same for Fields
McCarthy was never going to start for Vikings this season, they wanted to sit him a year, for Darnold sitting and learning San Francisco’s offense, learning how to put effort into the smallest of details helped him immensely. Vikings offense is very similar to 49ers. So it was a very nice transition. His arm, knowledge of the offense and having Justin Jefferson plus Brian Flores Defense… makes a very nice recipe.
Plus not being the scapegoat for an absolutely terrible Jets and Panthers team helps
But they’d have started him midseason very likely.
With him out and Sam having low expectations they’ve already surpassed expectations more or less and could be a playoff contender.
Kevin is a really good coach and get darrisaw in the pro bowl!
_We might start looking at the 2018 NFL Draft as the Career Resurrection draft when it comes to QBs between Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold._
Except Rosen
This makes me think of a weird future where 15 years from now Lamar loses his mobilty to an Achilles tear and turns into a Drew Brees style quick release passer and wins CPotY and Josh Allen comes out of retirement to finally get the Bills a ring.
Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen were already stars but what about Josh Rosen 😆
Allen didn’t break out until year 3 either. Playing quarterback in the nfl is not easy and teams are too quick to move on from a guy they thought had potential. Consistency in coaching is one of the most important factors in quarterback development.
Josh rosen hitting up teams after sam darnolds resurgance
I feel like part of it is that worst teams get to draft these high talented QBs without any structure thinking it will save the franchise, it kills the development of the player because they can’t get better when they are constantly being brought down by the lack of talent and coaching.
We need to change how the entire draft works tbqh.
Bakers' SpongeBob game was some of the most enjoyable football I've ever watched. Mostly for Patrick trolling Russell Wilson.
Somehow he got swept by Patrick 3x in one year without facing him in the post season
@@ItSaBeastNerdI think they meant Patrick star from SpongeBob. But both Patrick’s swept Russell 😂
@@jamesdavis3340 That’s what I meant 😐
The most important aspect of making a great QB will always be the situation he's in. If a QB is drafted to a bad situation, 99.99% he will be a "bust".
Except for JaMarcus Russel, he legitimately was just bad lmao
@@joedavis5824 Russell was going through a bunch of personal issues at the time
Yeah, without a decent o line everyone looks bad….
Never thought Id see SAM MOTHER LOVING DARNOLD in the MVP conversation
If he wins an MVP before Josh Allen all hell will break lose
Yep
Fake News! the GEQBUS is the 6 TIME REIGNING MVP, and it's about time that our LAMESTREAM media recognizes his talents for what they are!!
He won’t don’t worry lol
@@buckyjames1898 THE LIBRHULES AND CRITICAL GASE THEORY HAS POISONED A GENERATION. SAD.
As of the time of my comment, Allen already has 3 TD passes in the MNF game and they're destroying Jacksonville. This could be Allen's year. And Buffalo might really being an afterthought.
I’m so happy for Sam Darnold as a Jets fan and as a football fan in general. I’ve always been high on him since his USC days. It’s incredible to see how he’s been performing and how confident he is now. Same with Geno Smith these last couple seasons along with Justin Fields.
These casual football fans say that coaching does not matter at all and after 2020, I would say it matters very much. Same with teambuilding because I look at Patrick Mahomes and I look at Joe Burrow, as well as Jalen hurts and Lamar Jackson. Guess what those guys have in common? An organization that knows how to develop players, sign players, draft players, and good coaching.
The Jets have not have neither in the last decade, and as a matter of fact, I feel that the last two starting quarterbacks proceeded in error. Rogers did not have the talent that was needed to make the team better and the players. I remember Sam Darnold in his last season with the Jets and that team was so terrible. Anytime your weapons are Jamison Crowder, Breshard Perriman, Braxton Berrios, and Denzel Mims you’re not winning shit at all. That offensive line was absolutely fucking garbage and it’s a miracle we won any games at all that year. Now compare the 2020 Jets with the Chiefs and even the Colts, it’s like night and day.
I gained mad respect for Jameis after his 30 turnover season when he was very forthcoming about his issues and saying he needed to go to QB school and back up Drew Brees. I think Jameis is a genuine dude that needs a coach to believe in him
Just goes to show you sometimes it’s not the QB who’s the problem it’s the organization and system they was under.
Bryce Young is the exception.
This is why rookies should normally sit on the bench for a few seasons.
Exactly. Every Rookie isn’t gonna be CJ Stroud and ball tf out
At the very least a few games. Nearly every rookie QB has looked awful this year, put some of these dudes on the bench and give them some time
Falcons are doing that with Penix, and everyone trashed them for it.
@@georgelucas2571 Ehh, the problem with the Falcons pick is the guy they picked more than anything. They picked the second oldest QB in the league. Had they picked up McCarthy I'd be more comfortable with the pick. Also the glaring holes on the defensive side, even if they were saved by a last minute free agent and a trade
@@Zeffpenguin so now watch Drake Maye be by far the best out of all of them
As a Browns fan, I am so happy to see Baker thrive elsewhere. Maybe it will finally prove to the Browns front office that he wasn't the problem.
Should make a video on the different franchises who are viewed as “QB purgatory” and how that saying has some real life facts to back it.
The Browns and Jags come to mind.
JJ McCarthy is so young I think they should be fine with him sitting behind darnold for another year or two if darnold's play stays consistent.
Maybe a blessing in disguise for McCarthy because he will not be rushed into the league and get destroyed. Many of the current top QBs were sitting behind a veteran for a few seasons before they get their starting jobs. It is very rare to have a QB ready to hit the field right away so you can hope that McCarthy can learn a few things behind Darnold.
You’ve gotten the Vikings situation COMPLETELY wrong. Sam was brought in to be the starter, that’s why we paid him 10 million dollars. The plan was always to sit JJ McCarthy and give him a redshirt, JJ looked way better in camp than we thought he would but Sam was always named the starter. With JJ hurt though unfortunate, Sam doesn’t have pressure to perform though he’s doing great.
Came to say the same thing
Same. Darnold had way too much pressure on him with the Jets, and it wasn't all his fault. Poorly constructed team, bad coaching and crap front office. Now he's grown, less pressure and more relaxed.
What I said lol
Great video! Whenever I see these QBs having a comeback moment or reviving their careers, I feel like the media and fans are just too quick to judge. Any QB needs proper time and development, after all.
Best one will ALWAYS be Jim Plunkett. If he had quit after being released by the 49ers, Plunkett would be a top 5 draft bust. Thankfully, he got his chance when the starter Dan Pastorini broke his leg in 1980. Gave him the chance to go out there and prove himself which he did. Won them the Super Bowl as a wildcard and then came off the bench again in 1983 and won his second Super Bowl. The sad thing he is the ONLY QB to NOT be in the hall of fame after winning 2 Super Bowls.
My favorite will always be rich Gannon reviving his career winning an mvp and Super Bowl at like 37 years old
To be fair, he's one of the more incidental Super Bowl winning quarterbacks of all time. HOF quarterbacks should be real difference-makers, and I don't think simply not losing games for that defense and Marcus Allen is enough.
@@samanteater I know it’s just my favorite one in my lifetime
Plunkett will never sniff the hall of fame his regular season performances and career stats are just way too bad
@@Kdizzzzz9999 I was talking about Plunkett, not Gannon (although I'm pretty sure Gannon never won the Super Bowl. He got there in '02 but lost to Tampa Bay.)
This is why I never think anyone is truly a "bust", they are just playing in the wrong system.
Except for jamarcus russell
Seems like the same teams over and over ruin QBs, Jaguars, Jets, Browns... who else
Bears. And the Panthers ever since that new owner took over.
Broncos
Redskins
After Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco, I thought teams would have learned: you have to get at least some type of team around the QB first, not the other way around. If you do that, even Tim Tebow can have a good season.
The way the Falcons brought up Ryan needs to be taught in coaching classes. Ooo look a shiny new 1st round QB. RUN THE FUCKING BALL! He shouldn't be throwing 30+ times a game.
@@zaneseibert bingo. Michael the Burner Turner was awesome for those few years.
@@zaneseibertI know Bo Nix’s arm was dying for these last two games with 90+ attempts
Unless you draft CJ Stroud, lol. Every team seems to bank on drafting the best rookie of all time and throw everyone under the bus when they aren't correct rather than just drafting a guy, letting him sit through another mediocre year before drafting him more weapons and having a fully ready sophomore QB and a real team
@@Zeffpenguin indeed! You'd think after Alex Smith to Pat, it'd stick more as a trend.
Geno at WV was nasty, I’m so glad he’s doing well
I don’t think they were ever “washed up” just seriously underdeveloped, most of these situations these guys were thrown to the wolves to save a team in a horrible situation
Trey Lance comes to mind.
Like Willis he didnt have a ton of experience in college, didnt play against a ton of FBS competition, but had lots of of raw talent.
If he had a chance to sit and learn the same system for several years, he might turn into something.
But Willis is a rare breed. In terms of athleticism and arm strength, hes on the level of a Michael Vick. Also had a 32 wonderlic score. He was just played way too soon, benched way too soon, and played for coaches who had little interest in developing and adapting to him. And that's foolish. If you judge a cheetah based on its ability to swim rather than its ability to do cheetah things, youll be disappointed with the results.
What u me a Willis didn’t face a ton of FBS talent? He went to Auburn for his first 2years and Liberty was in the FBS when he transfer over their in 19’
Trey lance barely has played including highschool. Should have not even been drafted
Baker made that browns team relevant.
As an eagles fan I still sometimes go back and watch highlights of that guy Carson Wentz and he could flat out make some impossible plays. Obviously, there were impossible plays he didn't make too which is is reputation but the guy played like he was fearless and like he was far more athletic than he really was. And now he's in Kansas City. One of if not the best coached team in my opinion. I hope this guy gets another chance he was just so much fun to watch.
NFL needs more QBs who aren't afraid to go for the high risk/high reward plays, like Wentz or Favre. It makes the game fun.
Justin Jefferson makes his teammates better. He's wide open for Darnold every play, or he's taking 11 guys with him and getting Josh Oliver or Jalen Nailor open.
Nailor? I hardly know her!
He is Elite
wait until hockenson and addison come back
@@AndrewLeonard46 low intelligence.
C’mon dude, Willis has played 2 games. 2 very pedestrian games, at that. That’s not even remotely close to consider him having redemption.
Baker Mayfield is an example of a player who needed a change of scenery
I wanna note, the most common factor for these guys is moving from a mediocre team to a decent team, and then getting the opportunity to re examine their game from the bench leading to them making the most of their opportunities.
Note that these drastic improvements usually happen when players move on from dumpster fire teams like Jets
Nah, nah you said Justin Fields has played 3 years in the NFL?!?!💀 Nah time really stopped after 2020. 😭😭😭
It’s almost like surrounding a QB with a competent team and great coaches helps and allows them to reach their potential
Pickett could also have a revival if they decide to sit Hurts because of poor production
Kenny Pickett could for sure make a comeback. He's still young.
Most Quarterbacks are only as good as the team around them. Steve Young is a great example of this. He took over the reigns at age 30 and became a recurring ProBowler, won a Superbowl, and a couple of MVP awards.
Bears fans still gonna say Fields was the problem and not the factory of sadness that is the Chicago Bears lmao
He definitely was the problem too. If he was truly the solution, he'd be there still. And he had some help in Year 3 and he did show flashes but it wasn't enough.
@@DrShwazzyou can’t say that when fields number 3 receiver from last year is considered a healthily scratch at best while the same o line caleb is currently dying in was scape goated all year blaming fields even tho as we see now it wasn’t just fields the bears failed Justin but I don’t think Justin would be playing like he is right now if he was on the bears tomlin and Arthur can actually coach
@@DrShwazz can’t wait for you to blame Caleb Williams with how bad the Bears still are. It’s a Bears problem, it doesn’t matter if prime Tom Brady is playing there right now. With how they are run and how lackluster their receivers and offensive line are, it doesn’t matter how good their quarterback is, they are gonna be bad.
@@onewayzxy597Fields isnt even playing well. Hes literally just being carried by a good defense again. Caleb in one game passed for more yard then Fields career high.
@@griffin8er845Rome Odunze just had over 100 yards and Cole Kmet just had 10 catches for right under a hundred yards as well. Chicago has people to catch the ball. The offensive line is just made of Swiss cheese. While the coaching once again is terrible. Fields were still there they'd be 0-3. He's just being carried by a good defense again.
Been very pleasantly surprised by Malik Willis the past couple of weeks. He's not asked to be a hero but he has simply got it done. I was really happy for him to get to go into Nashville and beat the Titans like that while mayonnaise man continues throwing touchdowns to the other team. Go Pack Go!
Winston could ball out at any moment dude is a livewire and I love it
Babe wake up, KTO posted
It’s almost like letting the young guys sit and learn behind a veteran is beneficial to their career trajectories ,, even Tom and Arod sat behind someone
Brady, Mahomes, and Rodgers all sat at least their rookie seasons. Very few QBs can start straight from college and usually those that do are physically gifted.
Tbf, Brady was never supposed to start anyways. Bledsoe got injured and the rest is history.
@@ColtonWhite-p3k yes and no, Bledsoe did get injured but if Brady wasn't playing well and losing games, best believe he would've been benched but he didn't and now the rest is history
Nick Foles had the greatest comeback story everrrr…not cause I’m birds fan 🦅 but anyone of these dudes can make a Cinderella story come true. It happened to Stratford for the Rams
The problem with "washed up" quarterbacks is that they're usually put into a situation where success is highly unlikely. It is foolish for a franchise to draft a young QB in the first round and not have any parts to ensure he has the best path to success. IMO, it's more important to draft an elite LT/Rt or a Center first and a prospect QB in the next year.
I think a lot of the success of young QBs comes from the ability to read the game from the sidelines their first year and to maximize their amount of reps in practice. This way they can see the speed of the game and can preserve their health and confidence a bit easier. Patrick Mahomes is the classic case of this in recent memory.
Darnold may not be the next best thing in football, but as a Texans fan he hurt my soul yesterday lol and he’s got those Vikings looking pretty good this year. Kind of excited to see how they keep looking now
This goes to show that coaching plays a massive role in the success of a quarterback
What a nuanced take.
Well duh
I fucking love the outro man been watching for years and it never gets old! Chills every time
Coaching in the NFL is hit or miss. I think this is a huge contributor to this phenomenon. Also, you can’t forget about maturity. These guys have matured greatly since leaving college.
Sometimes, your last ditch effort is the one that makes a difference...
It’s pretty interesting to see Darnold so far. I remember people getting on him when he was on the Jets for missing time do to Mononucleosis
The problem for some of these Quarterbacks is the teams they initially play for are not as good as they think and don't have the players to help the QB
The Darnold/McCarthy situation could play out just like Flacco with the Browns last year and them deciding to stick with Watson this year. Flacco is way older than Darnold though but if Darnold keeps this up all season I think you give Darnold at least one more year and JJ can develop more especially after being injured in his first full season.
The way Sam Darnold is playing right now, I'll be damned if he loses to Green Bay next week
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What is comes down to is how well a qb fits a team (gameplan, playbook, Offensive coordinator, head coach, receivers, etc). The bills drafted allen and built and designed the team around him. They got diggs, created a new playbook and gameplan, made him the focus. They also gave him time. His first season was OK, second was decent, and third season to now is elite and MVP level.
I love Malik Willis comeback especially as a Liberty Fan. Hated how they threw him in the mud when he was surrounded by trash.
If Pittsburgh gets another good WR and keep fields they gonna be damn good for a while
It's crazy how a lot of these guys just go to teams with an offensive line that is half decent passing and they get better🤔🤔🤔
Every one of these teams has a great HC. Darnold with KOC behind him (and Jefferson to aim for) is a match made in heaven. I like the look of McCarthy but I hope we extend Sam if he keeps this up
As a wvu fan I've never written off geno after seeing how great of an arm he had in college the only way he'd fail in the nfl is if he got behind a terrible o-line/bad coaching staff which he did at the jets but he found his footing in Seattle. Same with Mayfield idk why the browns ever got rid of him
Part of the problem is that they draft these guys then throw them out there right away. A lot of great qbs sat on the bench until they got their shot. Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, Favre.
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You're forgetting one crucial, key common denominator among all these quarterbacks. All these QBs found a coach that actually now supports. The coach has given them running backs with a rushing game that can distract from the passing game. The coach has given them wide receivers and tight ends that can actually catch the balls the QB throws. The coach has given them an offensive line that can protect the QB long enough to make a good pass. The teams that originally drafted these QBs simply threw them into a mess, expected them to work a miracle, and go upset when they couldn't, so they trade or release him.
Since so many of these QBs come from the Jets, I can only wonder if Zac Wilson will be the next redemption story.
Jameis is absolutely next up, you’re right.
As a USC fan, it feels so satisfying seeing Darnold finally live up to expectations. This was the Darnold us Trojans fans watched at USC, and everyone laughed at us when we tried to tell them that he has good potential if in the right system.
This video is way too early. Only 3 games in
For Baker and Geno?
Nah Genos ballin
This year has really made me wonder how many failed QBs just didn't have the right coaches and team fit.
As a Niners fan, it's nice to see Geno Smith and Sam Darnold turn it around. Just wish they wouldn't beat my Niners 😂😭
While he wasn't able to get a win in Tennessee, I was happy to see Ryan Tannehill doing well there after his time in Miami. It wasn't a major game changer to my knowledge but he seemed more comfortable there and I was really rooting for them to win it all when they had their playoff run. Because of that, I've been focusing more on redemption stories like Baker's after leaving Cleveland, and seeing Sam off to a great start.
Personally, if any player can't seem to get it together on one team I will always root for them to put it together on another or at least under a different system.
His attitude is what bought him time despite struggling early on. He's still not super polished, still makes questionable decisions, but he handles pressure better than he once did & he's allowed the freedom to utilize his natural gifts.
People absolutely hated a guy like Josh Allen too his first 2 seasons, and even before he entered the league. No one ever thought or wanted him to be good, and even today people still can’t accept the fact that he’s EASILY a top 3 quarterback in the NFL. I personally would take Allen as a player over any QB in the league. I think he is the quarterback who’s most responsible for giving his team the edge over other teams. You can argue Mahomes with me and I wouldn’t be upset, but to see what Allen was given in the league versus Mahomes for coaching, teammates, management, etc. I’d say Allen’s rise to glory is much more impressive. Seriously, look into both those stories. Allen didn’t have a veteran to sit behind, Allen didn’t have no one close to Hill or Kelce for years until he got Diggs, and no one even wanted Allen for their college teams. Much more inspiring underdog story. Ridiculed and hated for no reason, and somehow found a way to be one of the best. Brings a tear to my eye.
Allen sucks. Serial pick thrower
@@SeanPennII The least obvious and deceptive rage bait 😭
Steelers are managing Fields right. They seem like they're keeping it simple and slowly adding in elements to the game so he can find his groove and then expand on his abundant raw talent. If he proves he can avoid those crippling late game mistakes, the Steelers may have stolen a long term QB solution.
Genuinely happy to see Darnold perform. No doubt a year in the SF quarterback room was great for him. It's more proof the Jets kill careers.
As for Malik Willis, he might just solidify himself as a top notch backup, which is a great job to have. Make a couple million a year, don't take much punishment, keep your team in the playoff hunt if called upon. It's clear no one in Tennessee had a clue how to coach him.
A big part of these QBs succeeding is that they all have good defenses helping them stay in games and not have to be throwing all game long. most of these guys are just great game managers where they are at now
I could see that happening for Jameis and Carson. It would be pretty cool to watch. I love it when players prove everyone wrong, including myself sometimes
I feel like people forget that some QBs are very streaky, and especially when it's at the start of a season, it can cause people to forget how bad they are when they're bad. No doubt people will eventually be reminded when Darnold goes on a 4 game skid where he averages 160 yds a game has 2 total Tds and 6-7 picks. Baker is a different story. He's always been a workhorse and a talented QB. He's not elite by any stretch , but he belongs as a starter in the NFL for sure. Ntm that Cleveland makes just about everyone look bad. Geno seems like a guy who actually figured some stuff out. Sure the Jets weren't great when he was there and he has a way better coach in Seattle, but he definitely worked on his flaws and Is a top 10 QB now.
Sam Darnold will be resigned to a similar deal with maybe like 25-30 mil instead of the 10 mil, and he’ll be the backup to JJ. I can tell you right now with 100% certainty that the only way Sam is our starter in 2025 is if he wins the super bowl with the vikings. You don’t take a guy like JJ in the first round, never give him a chance, and then ship him one year after he got drafted. that would be the worst possible decision
Mediocre QBs have always done well for the Vikings, even Josh Dobbs at some point looked like the real deal.
@@Zahrul3teddy bridgewater also comes to mind, the teddy two-glove run was crazy
OMG. A QB GOES TO A GOOD ORGANIZATION WITH A COMPETENT ROSTER AND HAS SUCCESS? WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT? I THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE THE NEXT ELWAY, BRADY, AND MANNING WHEN HE WAS DRAFTED
I love that Geno Smith is doing well I always knew he just needed some time.
One thing about Darnold, is that even before McCarthy's injury, KOC named him the starter during training camp
Malik Willis is who’s shocking me the most. He legit didn’t even throw for 100 yards in his titans games
Also salute to sam darnold, he was getting called a huge bust and now he’s a mvp candidate
darnold was always the starter here for us. the vikes planned for mccarthy to sit, and learn, and take over the next year; i excepted this from darnold, he has all the arm talent, and sneaky athleticism, he just needed an oline and weapons which we had, SKOL!
I think GM's/owners/coaches when they draft a QB, it should be a an investment, rather than an immediate starter, we sometimes see great QB's with immediately impact, but its really a handful of QB's. Don't rush the process!
We are in the golden age of backups. A lot of these guys are high picks that have talent but no direction and just need the right fit.
This may go down as one of my best predictions
I thought to myself before the season "Y'know, I think Darnold will be fine, honestly. He'll have a high level O-line, a high level running back, and a top tier reciever, all things he's never had before"
I kinda want the Bakers Home commercials to come back!!
As some other people have said, I will never understand why bad teams who have subpar coaching and/or a lack of skilled players expect a rookie qb who has never played a single snap in the NFL to magically save the organization.
This is exactly what darnold did on the panthers in 2022 I won’t be surprised if he falls off. I really hope he doesn’t though Vikings are a great team and that defence under Flores is scary
Why would he fall off? He has KOC calling plays and Josh McCown QB coach. He didn't have that in 2022. He has Jefferson, Addison, Hockensen, and Nailer now. He will be fine.
It's so important to have a good offensive line in place with a young QB...
I personally think Baker had one off season. I see him falling back to earth this season for sure.
Justin Fields is getting carried by a defense and there is NO WAY the Steelers keep doing well lol. They are literally playing vs the worst teams with the worst situations.
Darnold I do think is a solid QB and will be around a long long time. He’s built for it.
He had this video in his pocket🔥🔥
Sam Darnold was not picked up by MN to be a backup, he was always going to be the starter at least through the first half of the season. KOC made that clear through the whole offseason.
One thing this might indicate is that it’s a good idea to give rookie QBs time to ride the bench before you put them out there as a starter- I’m no expert but it worked for Mahomes and Brady.
And Love and Rodgers
Falcons are doing that with Penix, but people didn’t like that
Another banger 😮💨🙏 appreciate all the hard work man !