Tyranid “lore” is more like a detailed nature documentary. You don’t have characters to follow, but you can follow creatures, or swarms, or invasion stages etc. wish GW expanded on it further.
In one of the old rule books I first saw reference to Inquisitor Kryptman and the vague references made to his liberal use of Exterminatus and the galaxy encompasing threat of the Tyranid was intoxicating. I have loved them ever sense, my first Space Marines were a group co-opted by the Ordo Xenos specifically to hunt for a way to combat the Tyranids, the Leviathan box got me back into the hobby after 20 years.
I think this is one of Berelio’s best edited podcasts to date. Berelio - Oh my god the amount of text and references you add basically make this episode a watch only episode. You brought this episode’s quality up 300%. Well done.
@@thepoorhammerpodcastPerks at only a dollar? That sounds amazing! Unfortunately, I've already spent all of my disposable income buying a rhino at RRP from games workshop's website.
On thing that I was hearing about and was touched on at 35:32 is that if they just changed all instances of ‘below half strength’ to ‘at half strength or below’ it would make so many underperforming things just that bit better, battleshock, Sisters, Crusher Stampede, etc.
As someone running Crusher Stampede in a tourney rn, it’s great if you use the Norn Emissary as a distraction carnifex, or spam carnifexes in general, cause it allows for you to be the hiveminds strongest glue eater with its craftiest machinations
Putting on my tinfoil hat, I can imagine GW purposefully making Crusher Stampede (and similar detachments) bad so to dissuade people from making armies with a few, cost-efficient models instead of splurging out twice as much money on hordes and specialized expensive models.
Tyranid monsters are not bad in other detachments though, plus many of them are not that great points per dollar. GW is definitely not above that kind of thing, but I think it’s more likely that crusher stampere was far too powerful in previous iterations
Yes! A digestible summary of the detachments! I appreciate other content creators making these as well, but having this as an hour chunk makes it pleasurable to listen to while painting or doing chores or walking the dogs. Hope your able to do this with other armies whenever you have time. Again thanks for the content!!
Assimilation Swarm seems to be heavily lore-driven, since it's very specifically units that are supposed to have a role in eating and digesting resources. That's why it includes Pyrovores and not Biovores (Pyrovores "predigest" stuff by shooting it with acid, Biovores are just artillery), and why the Norn Assimilator doesn't really make sense (despite the name it doesn't really do any assimilation). I think there's an interesting "protect the payload" theme there where you're trying to protect these more support-oriented units and get them on objectives, but I don't think it totally works out. The Haruspex kind of throws it off since it's not a very support-y unit, plus it ends up feeling more like a regular buff to those very specific units rather than a strategic goal for your army overall. I kind of like it but it does feel very niche, which is unfortunate when there's other more prominent subfaction archetypes missing. It's also a little weird because Nids already have a very prominent "protect the KEYWORD units" thing going on with synapse.
I think the annoying thing with the norn is that it's named "assimilator" for no reason. Sounds cool, but the title is completely at odds with what it actually is and does. Should have saved that name for a future model.
11:00 - I think you guys misread Savage Roar, its a defensive buff for -1 to hit and maybe -1 to wound against an enemy attacker (whereas the Enraged detachment rule is a +1H/+1W on your own attacks) could be a cool and fluffy ability :)
I know it's not related to the actual detachments, but one of the things that pissed me off the most about the codex was the removal of distinct melee weapons on some of the units, when they could've just copy/pasted the stats for them after writing them once. Raveners and Warriors have a ton of possible weapons, like talons, claws, swords, lash whips, and etc. Both Raveners and Warriors melee options have been reduced to "Bio-weapon" and it has a single statline despite the differences in playstyle these weapons allowed in 9th Ed. Imagine if they took the thunder hammer, lightning claws, chainsword, and other famous space marine weapons, gave them a single statline and just called it "Weapon" in the codex. People would lose their shit and it'd be stupid as hell, so I really hate that nobody has ever said anything about it in any review of Nids yet
With complete sincerity, if you were to make similar breakdown videos for every codex that came out, I would happily watch each and every one of them. As someone relatively inexperienced with the tabletop side of Warhammer, I find the information a lot easier to digest when you break it down than it would be if I tried to force through it myself - and plus, you mixing the codex talk with bits of lore and your experience with game design is dang entertaining. Also props to the editor for all the text boxes and cards and crap in this one.
I think it’s interesting that the Tyranids Detatchments are almost all keyword focused (only true exception is Invasion Fleet, while the Space Marine detachments only have one that is unit locked (1st Company). Even the Ironstorm Spearhead detachment- the VEHICLE detachment - has its rule affecting all units in the army. GW still has a ways to go on how to line up rules and fluff, and trying to balance rules between codices. (Can’t wait to see how many detachment choices non-compliant Space Marine Chapters get in the end compared to Necron and AdMech’s five. They already have eight.) Edit - just realized that the 1st Company rule still works on all units - only their stratagems and enhancements are unit restricted. Go figure.
As someone who is trying to get her brother to convert to 40K from MTG, can you do a video talking ab which factions line up with certain color combos?
Thanks for overview! Nids have always been one of my favorite factions and seeing how they divided it out in 10th is great. I've been out of the hobby for a long time now but recently found Poorhammer and it's really reignited my love of the hobby. Really hoping I can get back in to painting before the end of the year!
Assimilation Swarm has won at least 1 tournament, and the Norns seem to be decent picks in it. Put one on its target objective for the 5+ FNP and boosted OC with a Harvester next to it and it will live a bit longer and hold that objective. Synaptic Nexus is also performing well.
Assimilation swarm is a tricky one because unlike vanguard and endless swarms they are the focus but theyre not the beatstick of the force, they're support platforms you protect to keep the rest of your stuff healthy and a lot of your rules protect and make the support of your harvesters better. I agree there needs to be more than 4 datasheets but I dont think making more than half your list harvesters is fhe point.
give the keyword to toxicrenes and venomthropes and that would be lore accurate and fitting in a deathball buff detachment. I've had a 3 game win streak with assimulation swarm and honestly adding these I think would make it ridiculously good one of the best in the codex tbh
After research. You can only heal a unit once a turn. But, running triple mortrex, triple rippers, double psychophage, swarmlord, barbed heorodule, norn emissary, brood genestealers, winged prime with melee warriors, and a unit of barbs for disruption. This list for the harvester faction will work because it's got monsters, beaters, and healing.
Here's the thing I didn't hear mentioned. Parasite of Montrex can spawn rippers, and I think you can run multiple parasites. In the harvester healer faction, that is amazing. Combine that with triple biovores and you can have a regenerating wounds back field, and you can stack norn emissary in center with spawned rippers around him stacking healing.
Love the style of episode, very good for background noise while painting. I would also add some talk about the different detachments into specific other factions. Sorta a likely strong, no never, etc
Yeah I started to build by Tyranid list to be a Kronos splinter fleet, and watching this video makes me want to honestly stick with 9th edition until FAQs come out for the codex. Or I'll get creative with the Invastion Fleet detachment.
“Everyone loves rippers like how necron players love scarabs” as nids and necrons are my two main armies I can assure you scarabs win this one hands down, rippers are tolerable now, that’s it
As a demon player who can put 9 nurglings in a blob for 105 and since it's battleline I can have 6 blobs on the field (T3, W4, Invul 6) (ability lowers WS by 1) the nurglings reign supreme
This was definitely eye opening video, I don't play nids but I think they definitely missed an opportunity to make the nids a bit more specialized. Like not by locking it to a fleet but just so players can pick a detachment and feel like they're a specific fleet. But the rules seem interesting I'll have to be careful my cousin has the Nid portion of my Leviathan box and we're going to be playing our first combat patrol soon so I at least learned some important stuff Very happy I subbed to this channel I'm always excited for a new episode
The assimilation swarm is underrated, this edition nids have a lot of board control that’s how we win. And assimilation keeps us in the game with giving back models, and if the enemy wants to kill them, algoods we get +1 to wound for our whole army against them for a cp.
Thanks for going over this guys! Just got into tyrannids with the leviathan box and have been wondering what direction to take my army. This gave me a lot of good info. Honestly a lot of times though i just go with the rule of cool since I've been painting for 2 years but have not played a full game of 40K yet, but really want to!
My take on Crusher Stampede detachment rule would be: Monster within synapse range = +1 to Hit - cause better guided Monster outside synapse range = +1 to Wound - cause uncontrolled rage Nice and simple.
Hi Brad, I know just how much you guys LOVE the official 40K app, and just wanted to let you guys know that you can’t actually see the detachment’s rules that you choose until you buy the codex. Not even the free one that comes with the Indexes prior to the codex launch. Real quick want to say I love the podcast, it’s kept me into 40K even when I’m too broke to play it.
I highly recommend trying out NewRecruit at this point, they have a whole app mode on their site that downloads to your phone and everything. (Just remember to manually update it if you use that mode.)
here is how to simply fix crusher stampede IF you want to change rulings: Detachment rule: Each time a TYRANIDS MONSTER model from your army makes an attack, add 1 to the Strength characteristic of that attack. If that model’s unit is below its Starting Strength, add 2 to the Strength characteristic of that attack instead. explaination: this will get ALOT of mediocre strength 9 weapons form tyranids up to that crucial S10, OFTEN giving that +1 to wound no matter what, but without it beeing guaranteed, but at least giving a bonus right from the start. and then, when damaged, which is already really hard to do, you get some weapons to S11 to REALLY be able to destroy most heavy armor target, what crusher stampede SHOULD be able to do. removing the below half condition completely since that just NEVER happens, if a model is below half strength it is literally already dead in 99% of all cases. Also note that this will count towards melee AND shooting, to make some use of these (right now) terrible and useless venom cannons.
I think both versions of subfaction discussion is interesting. Like a “Propaganda” episode for the flavors subfaction wise and the “Detachment/Codex run through” where you discuss the Detachments in a Codex. I have to disagree with Brad that we need a “Swarmy one, a shooty one, the basic one”. While a lot of the lore factions do feel Bottom Up in that represent those portions. But what I want out of the Detachments is representing wings of the army. The Necrons preview makes it sound like thats what they are doing. Leaders matter, nobles turbo, Destroyers, Canopteks and Crypteks, the teleport/Monolith one.
I think the best move for tyranid lore is actually that fan-fiction of The Thing from the “the things” perspective where it’s more or less unaware of the characters and doesn’t view them as prey per se but as a similar collection of matter as it’s self that doesn’t understand that it would be better utilized if it congregated with it and is sad and frustrated with how much the individual pieces form into things that can use tools and fight against it.
On the topic of a Hive Mind viewpoint; On one hand, I'd so, so love a "A splinter of the hive mind is lost and slowly builds itself up" or "Using biomass genetic information X resulted in a bioform too independant so it forms a splinter hivemind" story; on the other, that would take away that lovecraftian "fear of the unknown" schtick... I wasn't around when Zoats were a thing, but sometimes I really wish they were still around. Also, I feel like the Crusher Stampede detachment rule might work if Tyranid Monsters hadf soem form of overloading, where they could risk taking wounds for a more accurate hit, or a stronger hit, or maybe more hits; that would then fuel the rule (and would in general help a lot with Tyranid being laughably bad at killing things. The part where eg. 2 Carnifexes can never profit from most of the detachment rule still has to be fixed though, obviously).
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Ripper Swarms should have become Battleline when deployed in an Assimilation Swar.
I'd also give the Parasite of Mortrex and Raveners the Harvester keyword. Parasite to give them a leader and Raveners to give them a frontline infantry unit besides ripper swarms, and because its already a serpent and you're adding the Trygon and Mawloc.
I really don't agree, It's a fluffy subfaction through and through, so breaking the lore does more to hurt the subfaction then help it. What we needed was for rippers and maybe Pyrovores to get battleline.
@Chaunwilkerson I'm looking at it more from a game play perspective. The detachment has no leadership currently available, and the Parasite makes Ripper Swarms. A unit that already has Harvester. The Parasite seems to be the best option for the detachment already.
@@arrowstrike1174 The thing is, it's a lore based subfaction like Synaptic Nexus, not a playstyle subfaction like Endless Swarms or Crusher Stampede. So making exceptions at the expense of lore really hurts the design/fantasy of the subfaction, the same way giving gaunts synapse would hurt Synaptic Nexus.
The Assimilation Swarm is the most underrated detachment in our codex right now. It does a lot of powerful things. And you cant really make any more units harvesters for a lot of reasons. If you play 3 of each unit you have only about 900 points of models AND you can heal 12 different units each com.and phase. In addtion to this you can heal infintry at FULL wounds it is pretty crazy when you realize you can return up to 2 T8 4W models per turn. Tyrant guard are pretty overcosted BUT when you can regen them its wild. You can also bring back models to Zoanthropes. If you say increased the pool to 8 data sheets like you suggest you would then be able to regenerate 24 units on each of your command phase. Obviously your opponent will focus 1 unit down at a time however you are able to run 1 haurspex, 1 psychophage, 1 squad of 3 pyrovores and 1 ripper on each objective. If your opponent focus fires down 1 haurspex at a time you will be scoring like crazy. Best to worst Detatchments: (From someone who has 10+ games with all of them) Invasion Fleet (Detachment rule and strats are just so flexable) Synaptic Nexus (The real monster Mash) Vanguard Invaders (High skill and high risk high reward) Assimilation Swarm (Just forces you to play 3 of our best units) Unending swarm (our battle line doesnt really do anything vs +2 saves) We only have 5 detatchments.
As a long time tyranid enjoyer, I'm a little upset to see the artillery sub-faction go as well especially now that the biovore finally has a plastic model. I''ll live, vanguard invaders being half the codex and having 3 types of deepstriking synapse means it's the perfect time for "Our deployment zone" shenanigans.
I know this is a crazy thing to notice, but I think you've changed how do the white layer behind the characters that pulses with their voice? This may be the most autistic thing I've ever said but Eric's white background between his mace and his armor used to meet when he spoke, but now the white layer stays the same size and as a result the two sides don't meet. Why am I like this.
You noticed versions 1 and 4. You missed the middle two changes that bothered me more. This iteration makes it way easier to render revisions of the episode in case we find issues in the first attempt.
Old one eye will keep losing the crusher stampede buffs when he heals. If he has 2 attached carnifexes, he gets +1 to wound after both of them drop and he’s at half health…then he heals and loses it. I had an idea you touched on with the psychographs. What is the psychograph of each detachment and do they match the psycograph of the overall army? T’au are kinda Timmy but Kau’yon isn’t.
It's worse than that. You don't get the +1 to hit until both carnifexes are dead and Old one eye is wounded. Leaders count for the model count of starting strength, so 2 carnis and one eye have a starting strength of 3. Half or less means 1 guy left, but if that last guy is old one eye, the leader rule makes him count as his own unit then, so he has to get wounded to start getting the rules.
The Hive Fleets _used_ to have lore, back when subfactions were given mechanical weight. But now that in-universe subfactions have been decoupled from Detachments, GW apparently decided to just... _not include_ any of that lore. So if you wanted to learn about Hive Fleets like Kraken, Behemoth, Jormangandr, Gorgon, Ouroboros, etc, you just can't anymore. The 10th ed book has nothing for you.
Subfactions still do for some armies, I think, we just dont have detachments for the ones this is the case for. I'm pretty sure the Ork and Custodes detachments are named after subfactions.
People were/are joking a lot about leadership but if you keep your eyes peeled in the codex, you notice that you can pretty easily spam ld tests with -1,-2 and even -3 using units that are in every list, like deathleaper, Haruspex, Neurotyrant and Neurolictor and every detachment has something to capitalize on this further. Tyranids leadership shenenigans are no joke
crusher should have been the fun detachment but thankfully....we can run invasion and use the same list. crusher was dialed in, its like they completely ran out of brainpower when they got to this. i am sure this one wrote them in the corner
7:05 as I have learned the hard way, do not ever cast polyraptor while a marauding raptor is on your side of the field unless you want to turn the entire table into raptors.
That 'Enhancements do literally nothing for almost every unit in my army' as someone who likes to run horde tyranids really depressed me when I read it
Something else to point out about assimilation swarm is the cost/availability of harvester units. The box for the exocrine/haruspex is probably the most out of stock box in the nids arsenal and are going for silly money on the secondary market. Pyrovores are $50 for 30 points and you probably want 6-9 of them, so you're looking at $300-$450 for 180-270 points which is ridiculous. Psychophages havent had their own release yet, and sure you might be able to get them on the secondary reselling market, but its weird that theyve limited harvesters to a few models, one of which you just cant buy straight up.
Honestly if Crusher stam0ede had just said "All tyranid models over a certain number of wounds have +1 to charge. If they have the synapse keyword they get something else or whatever" I would have enjoyed it so much more
The best part of Synaptic Nexus is the fall back and shoot stratagem and the reroll 1's to hit and wound stratagem. They are the reason to choose Nexus.
Hear me out Savage roar is the enabler for behemoths You roar and the model doesnt die. But it probably still gets hit, now it has its bonus turned on.
there is a love robot death episode where two ppl do sience stuff in a hive mind like swarm, i would like to see something like this for the tyranides, where the hivemind also learns about the visitors etc
Hey, picker of nits here. What happened to the old white border around Brad and Eric's avatars in response to audio where it pulsed both outward and inward during conversation? It was really slick.
For crusher stampede, they should do a 3cp buff thats only allowed once per game, where if you use it you lose shadow in the warp, but for the whole army, for the whole turn you activate it, all models weapons have twin linked and d3 damage, but every attack becomes hazardous so you can either kill your opponent with kaiju monstrous shenanigans, but you may lose everything in the process. And you only get it for one turn. Note, the d3 damage will only apply to weapons that deal 1 or 2 damage per successful attack.
Don't think we haven't noticed that Hydralisk, hanging around like we was part of the crew. Racism in Poorhammer...I'm not mad, I think I just expected better...
Congrats on being the first comment to notice that Easter egg. We made it more obvious in a different iteration, but I really like how subtle the lisk is in the corner.
Recently started to watch your videoes, ! really like your take on the topics and the perspective you look at Warhammer/GW things from as well as funnsies jokes and sjit. Good times when ! need a break from Darktide and need to build my minis.
If we can ever relate to the Hive Mind, then it stops being a horrifying alien presense thing. They should never give us a book from the Tyranid perspective.
GW did the same thing with the 1st company detachment in Space Marines. They think that the datasheets are so strong that the detachment can be lackluster or they will be OP. The problem is that they already have a balancing mechanic... points. So now you have a few strong monsters that cannot hold their own.
someone should try to come up with subfaction lore for the endless swarms of the hive mind? i could try, but i can't guarantee it'd be as full as a lot of lore nuts might want. as someone that started with tyranids, coming from the tyranid perspective could be fun my collection might be small at 1000ish points, but i like my endless swarm and that's probably how it's gonna grow, monster sprinkled in here and there
I once used corrosive viscera on a hierophant when it was killed, it killed 3 of my own monsters and 2 of them exploded naturally. Absolutely hilarious on turn 5.
Comparing Magic rulesets and 40k is almost unfair, in the sense that only one of them seems to have a rules team that has a basic grasp of the consequences of their core, unchangeable systems. Nobody understand their game better than the team designing Magic, if just because when the game's internals are misunderstood, the game becomes an unplayable mess that nobody wants to buy. They still mess up, but comparing modern sets from anything in in the first 10 years shows how much the game design has evolved. 40k's core systems have more spikey bits than the mouth of a psychophage, but it sure seems that the design team is unaware of the issues that have been there forever. It's crazy what they release. The most generous thing I can think here is that they have far fewer designers, and that they are so overworked that they have no time to think about anything.
Tyranid “lore” is more like a detailed nature documentary. You don’t have characters to follow, but you can follow creatures, or swarms, or invasion stages etc. wish GW expanded on it further.
Same
In one of the old rule books I first saw reference to Inquisitor Kryptman and the vague references made to his liberal use of Exterminatus and the galaxy encompasing threat of the Tyranid was intoxicating. I have loved them ever sense, my first Space Marines were a group co-opted by the Ordo Xenos specifically to hunt for a way to combat the Tyranids, the Leviathan box got me back into the hobby after 20 years.
GW should get David Attenborough to narrate it.
@@nikolthomas2544 that is already a thing
@@nikolthomas2544”and here we see the tiny ripper swarm, aren’t they just adorable”
I think this is one of Berelio’s best edited podcasts to date. Berelio - Oh my god the amount of text and references you add basically make this episode a watch only episode. You brought this episode’s quality up 300%. Well done.
As a new WH40k/Sugmar fan and a 15yr mtg player, I like when y’all do the comparisons. Never change.
Sugmar nuts
As someone who stopped playing MTG 25+ years ago, I like it when the more recent comparisons come with some context (like in this video).
Agreed
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@@thepoorhammerpodcastPerks at only a dollar? That sounds amazing! Unfortunately, I've already spent all of my disposable income buying a rhino at RRP from games workshop's website.
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On thing that I was hearing about and was touched on at 35:32 is that if they just changed all instances of ‘below half strength’ to ‘at half strength or below’ it would make so many underperforming things just that bit better, battleshock, Sisters, Crusher Stampede, etc.
As someone running Crusher Stampede in a tourney rn, it’s great if you use the Norn Emissary as a distraction carnifex, or spam carnifexes in general, cause it allows for you to be the hiveminds strongest glue eater with its craftiest machinations
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One thing you missed about crusher stampede is that auto explode strategem let's you purposely deal mw to your units to enable the detachment rule
Putting on my tinfoil hat, I can imagine GW purposefully making Crusher Stampede (and similar detachments) bad so to dissuade people from making armies with a few, cost-efficient models instead of splurging out twice as much money on hordes and specialized expensive models.
Tyranid monsters are not bad in other detachments though, plus many of them are not that great points per dollar. GW is definitely not above that kind of thing, but I think it’s more likely that crusher stampere was far too powerful in previous iterations
02:59 “My wife loves big monsters”
Must…resist…temptation…to make… obvious joke 💀
Lol I get you I feel like a lot of people had the same thought
@@shadowbush5021the phrasing was just so funny
Yes! A digestible summary of the detachments! I appreciate other content creators making these as well, but having this as an hour chunk makes it pleasurable to listen to while painting or doing chores or walking the dogs. Hope your able to do this with other armies whenever you have time. Again thanks for the content!!
Assimilation Swarm seems to be heavily lore-driven, since it's very specifically units that are supposed to have a role in eating and digesting resources. That's why it includes Pyrovores and not Biovores (Pyrovores "predigest" stuff by shooting it with acid, Biovores are just artillery), and why the Norn Assimilator doesn't really make sense (despite the name it doesn't really do any assimilation).
I think there's an interesting "protect the payload" theme there where you're trying to protect these more support-oriented units and get them on objectives, but I don't think it totally works out. The Haruspex kind of throws it off since it's not a very support-y unit, plus it ends up feeling more like a regular buff to those very specific units rather than a strategic goal for your army overall.
I kind of like it but it does feel very niche, which is unfortunate when there's other more prominent subfaction archetypes missing. It's also a little weird because Nids already have a very prominent "protect the KEYWORD units" thing going on with synapse.
I think the annoying thing with the norn is that it's named "assimilator" for no reason. Sounds cool, but the title is completely at odds with what it actually is and does. Should have saved that name for a future model.
"my wife loves big monsters"... pause
11:00 - I think you guys misread Savage Roar, its a defensive buff for -1 to hit and maybe -1 to wound against an enemy attacker (whereas the Enraged detachment rule is a +1H/+1W on your own attacks)
could be a cool and fluffy ability :)
I know it's not related to the actual detachments, but one of the things that pissed me off the most about the codex was the removal of distinct melee weapons on some of the units, when they could've just copy/pasted the stats for them after writing them once. Raveners and Warriors have a ton of possible weapons, like talons, claws, swords, lash whips, and etc. Both Raveners and Warriors melee options have been reduced to "Bio-weapon" and it has a single statline despite the differences in playstyle these weapons allowed in 9th Ed.
Imagine if they took the thunder hammer, lightning claws, chainsword, and other famous space marine weapons, gave them a single statline and just called it "Weapon" in the codex. People would lose their shit and it'd be stupid as hell, so I really hate that nobody has ever said anything about it in any review of Nids yet
I actually like that, it allows me to assemble my warriors with whatever looks cool without worrying about the scything talons being trash.
Lol. Built a Vanguard Veteran unit. That's exactly what they did.
With complete sincerity, if you were to make similar breakdown videos for every codex that came out, I would happily watch each and every one of them. As someone relatively inexperienced with the tabletop side of Warhammer, I find the information a lot easier to digest when you break it down than it would be if I tried to force through it myself - and plus, you mixing the codex talk with bits of lore and your experience with game design is dang entertaining. Also props to the editor for all the text boxes and cards and crap in this one.
I think it’s interesting that the Tyranids Detatchments are almost all keyword focused (only true exception is Invasion Fleet, while the Space Marine detachments only have one that is unit locked (1st Company). Even the Ironstorm Spearhead detachment- the VEHICLE detachment - has its rule affecting all units in the army. GW still has a ways to go on how to line up rules and fluff, and trying to balance rules between codices. (Can’t wait to see how many detachment choices non-compliant Space Marine Chapters get in the end compared to Necron and AdMech’s five. They already have eight.)
Edit - just realized that the 1st Company rule still works on all units - only their stratagems and enhancements are unit restricted. Go figure.
Biggest takeaway from the nids codex is that Dommy Mommy Neurolictor-sama is a Take 3 in most lists I've seen now.
Always a wonderful day when vorehammer uploads
Oh I don't like that one...
Always a great day when poorhammer uploads
Always a good day when borehammer uploads
As someone who is trying to get her brother to convert to 40K from MTG, can you do a video talking ab which factions line up with certain color combos?
Thanks for overview! Nids have always been one of my favorite factions and seeing how they divided it out in 10th is great. I've been out of the hobby for a long time now but recently found Poorhammer and it's really reignited my love of the hobby. Really hoping I can get back in to painting before the end of the year!
Assimilation Swarm has won at least 1 tournament, and the Norns seem to be decent picks in it. Put one on its target objective for the 5+ FNP and boosted OC with a Harvester next to it and it will live a bit longer and hold that objective. Synaptic Nexus is also performing well.
Assimilation swarm is a tricky one because unlike vanguard and endless swarms they are the focus but theyre not the beatstick of the force, they're support platforms you protect to keep the rest of your stuff healthy and a lot of your rules protect and make the support of your harvesters better. I agree there needs to be more than 4 datasheets but I dont think making more than half your list harvesters is fhe point.
give the keyword to toxicrenes and venomthropes and that would be lore accurate and fitting in a deathball buff detachment. I've had a 3 game win streak with assimulation swarm and honestly adding these I think would make it ridiculously good one of the best in the codex tbh
Glad the broodlord not being synapse got brought up lol it bothers me so much from just a flavor/lore perspective
Synaptic Nexus has been one of the best subfactions power-wise, though I agree it feels like false advertising about what it should have been
48:37 I would have liked a little bit more of lore but I loved the rules disscussion.
After research. You can only heal a unit once a turn. But, running triple mortrex, triple rippers, double psychophage, swarmlord, barbed heorodule, norn emissary, brood genestealers, winged prime with melee warriors, and a unit of barbs for disruption. This list for the harvester faction will work because it's got monsters, beaters, and healing.
Here's the thing I didn't hear mentioned. Parasite of Montrex can spawn rippers, and I think you can run multiple parasites. In the harvester healer faction, that is amazing. Combine that with triple biovores and you can have a regenerating wounds back field, and you can stack norn emissary in center with spawned rippers around him stacking healing.
Noted, your back board and norn can be made almost indestructible with the parasite stack.
There’s a great Tyranid short story of them devouring a planet. The Long and Hungry Road
I'll look into it. I had heard of this one yet.
Love the style of episode, very good for background noise while painting.
I would also add some talk about the different detachments into specific other factions. Sorta a likely strong, no never, etc
Yeah I started to build by Tyranid list to be a Kronos splinter fleet, and watching this video makes me want to honestly stick with 9th edition until FAQs come out for the codex. Or I'll get creative with the Invastion Fleet detachment.
I personally prefer the lore focused ones, they do a better job of making me want to play each sub faction.
“Everyone loves rippers like how necron players love scarabs” as nids and necrons are my two main armies I can assure you scarabs win this one hands down, rippers are tolerable now, that’s it
As a demon player who can put 9 nurglings in a blob for 105 and since it's battleline I can have 6 blobs on the field (T3, W4, Invul 6) (ability lowers WS by 1) the nurglings reign supreme
Oh did I mention if they go below half and pass battle shock they can bring back D3 MODELS
Pleasantries done. Time for video. Thank you guys for the videos, and thank you editor again for your sacrifice.
This was definitely eye opening video, I don't play nids but I think they definitely missed an opportunity to make the nids a bit more specialized. Like not by locking it to a fleet but just so players can pick a detachment and feel like they're a specific fleet. But the rules seem interesting I'll have to be careful my cousin has the Nid portion of my Leviathan box and we're going to be playing our first combat patrol soon so I at least learned some important stuff
Very happy I subbed to this channel I'm always excited for a new episode
i sure do love when my favorite podcast roarhammer uploads
I play Hydra because I like the swarm aspect and that they fight other Tyranids
The assimilation swarm is underrated, this edition nids have a lot of board control that’s how we win. And assimilation keeps us in the game with giving back models, and if the enemy wants to kill them, algoods we get +1 to wound for our whole army against them for a cp.
Thanks for going over this guys! Just got into tyrannids with the leviathan box and have been wondering what direction to take my army. This gave me a lot of good info. Honestly a lot of times though i just go with the rule of cool since I've been painting for 2 years but have not played a full game of 40K yet, but really want to!
With the massive emphasis on Synapse in the Nexus Detachment, it sounds viable in a Endless Multitude heavy army.
My take on Crusher Stampede detachment rule would be:
Monster within synapse range = +1 to Hit - cause better guided
Monster outside synapse range = +1 to Wound - cause uncontrolled rage
Nice and simple.
Watching this to understand my friends army
Tyranids = Zerg that’s all I need to know and love them 😂
Hi Brad, I know just how much you guys LOVE the official 40K app, and just wanted to let you guys know that you can’t actually see the detachment’s rules that you choose until you buy the codex. Not even the free one that comes with the Indexes prior to the codex launch. Real quick want to say I love the podcast, it’s kept me into 40K even when I’m too broke to play it.
I highly recommend trying out NewRecruit at this point, they have a whole app mode on their site that downloads to your phone and everything. (Just remember to manually update it if you use that mode.)
@@thepoorhammerpodcast Thank you for the advice, I’ll definitely use that in the future
As someone getting into 40k with 10E I appreciate the breakdown and explanations on what things are good/bad and why.
here is how to simply fix crusher stampede IF you want to change rulings:
Detachment rule:
Each time a TYRANIDS MONSTER model from your army makes an attack, add 1 to the Strength characteristic of that attack.
If that model’s unit is below its Starting Strength, add 2 to the Strength characteristic of that attack instead.
explaination:
this will get ALOT of mediocre strength 9 weapons form tyranids up to that crucial S10, OFTEN giving that +1 to wound no matter what, but without it beeing guaranteed, but at least giving a bonus right from the start. and then, when damaged, which is already really hard to do, you get some weapons to S11 to REALLY be able to destroy most heavy armor target, what crusher stampede SHOULD be able to do. removing the below half condition completely since that just NEVER happens, if a model is below half strength it is literally already dead in 99% of all cases.
Also note that this will count towards melee AND shooting, to make some use of these (right now) terrible and useless venom cannons.
I think both versions of subfaction discussion is interesting. Like a “Propaganda” episode for the flavors subfaction wise and the “Detachment/Codex run through” where you discuss the Detachments in a Codex.
I have to disagree with Brad that we need a “Swarmy one, a shooty one, the basic one”. While a lot of the lore factions do feel Bottom Up in that represent those portions.
But what I want out of the Detachments is representing wings of the army. The Necrons preview makes it sound like thats what they are doing. Leaders matter, nobles turbo, Destroyers, Canopteks and Crypteks, the teleport/Monolith one.
I think the best move for tyranid lore is actually that fan-fiction of The Thing from the “the things” perspective where it’s more or less unaware of the characters and doesn’t view them as prey per se but as a similar collection of matter as it’s self that doesn’t understand that it would be better utilized if it congregated with it and is sad and frustrated with how much the individual pieces form into things that can use tools and fight against it.
On the topic of a Hive Mind viewpoint; On one hand, I'd so, so love a "A splinter of the hive mind is lost and slowly builds itself up" or "Using biomass genetic information X resulted in a bioform too independant so it forms a splinter hivemind" story; on the other, that would take away that lovecraftian "fear of the unknown" schtick... I wasn't around when Zoats were a thing, but sometimes I really wish they were still around.
Also, I feel like the Crusher Stampede detachment rule might work if Tyranid Monsters hadf soem form of overloading, where they could risk taking wounds for a more accurate hit, or a stronger hit, or maybe more hits; that would then fuel the rule (and would in general help a lot with Tyranid being laughably bad at killing things. The part where eg. 2 Carnifexes can never profit from most of the detachment rule still has to be fixed though, obviously).
Ripper Swarms should have become Battleline when deployed in an Assimilation Swar.
I'd also give the Parasite of Mortrex and Raveners the Harvester keyword. Parasite to give them a leader and Raveners to give them a frontline infantry unit besides ripper swarms, and because its already a serpent and you're adding the Trygon and Mawloc.
I really don't agree, It's a fluffy subfaction through and through, so breaking the lore does more to hurt the subfaction then help it. What we needed was for rippers and maybe Pyrovores to get battleline.
@Chaunwilkerson I'm looking at it more from a game play perspective. The detachment has no leadership currently available, and the Parasite makes Ripper Swarms. A unit that already has Harvester. The Parasite seems to be the best option for the detachment already.
@@arrowstrike1174 The thing is, it's a lore based subfaction like Synaptic Nexus, not a playstyle subfaction like Endless Swarms or Crusher Stampede. So making exceptions at the expense of lore really hurts the design/fantasy of the subfaction, the same way giving gaunts synapse would hurt Synaptic Nexus.
Ahem.
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As someone who came into warhammer from Magic the explanations are super nice
Dammit Brad now I have to start Tyranids!
Finally us tyranid players get a full video!!! Thanks guys I love your work!
The Assimilation Swarm is the most underrated detachment in our codex right now. It does a lot of powerful things. And you cant really make any more units harvesters for a lot of reasons. If you play 3 of each unit you have only about 900 points of models AND you can heal 12 different units each com.and phase. In addtion to this you can heal infintry at FULL wounds it is pretty crazy when you realize you can return up to 2 T8 4W models per turn. Tyrant guard are pretty overcosted BUT when you can regen them its wild. You can also bring back models to Zoanthropes.
If you say increased the pool to 8 data sheets like you suggest you would then be able to regenerate 24 units on each of your command phase.
Obviously your opponent will focus 1 unit down at a time however you are able to run 1 haurspex, 1 psychophage, 1 squad of 3 pyrovores and 1 ripper on each objective. If your opponent focus fires down 1 haurspex at a time you will be scoring like crazy.
Best to worst Detatchments: (From someone who has 10+ games with all of them)
Invasion Fleet (Detachment rule and strats are just so flexable)
Synaptic Nexus (The real monster Mash)
Vanguard Invaders (High skill and high risk high reward)
Assimilation Swarm (Just forces you to play 3 of our best units)
Unending swarm (our battle line doesnt really do anything vs +2 saves)
We only have 5 detatchments.
As a long time tyranid enjoyer, I'm a little upset to see the artillery sub-faction go as well especially now that the biovore finally has a plastic model. I''ll live, vanguard invaders being half the codex and having 3 types of deepstriking synapse means it's the perfect time for "Our deployment zone" shenanigans.
I know this is a crazy thing to notice, but I think you've changed how do the white layer behind the characters that pulses with their voice? This may be the most autistic thing I've ever said but Eric's white background between his mace and his armor used to meet when he spoke, but now the white layer stays the same size and as a result the two sides don't meet. Why am I like this.
You noticed versions 1 and 4. You missed the middle two changes that bothered me more. This iteration makes it way easier to render revisions of the episode in case we find issues in the first attempt.
I’m happy you guys did this format for the coolest bugs in the galaxy
Old one eye will keep losing the crusher stampede buffs when he heals. If he has 2 attached carnifexes, he gets +1 to wound after both of them drop and he’s at half health…then he heals and loses it.
I had an idea you touched on with the psychographs. What is the psychograph of each detachment and do they match the psycograph of the overall army? T’au are kinda Timmy but Kau’yon isn’t.
It's worse than that. You don't get the +1 to hit until both carnifexes are dead and Old one eye is wounded. Leaders count for the model count of starting strength, so 2 carnis and one eye have a starting strength of 3. Half or less means 1 guy left, but if that last guy is old one eye, the leader rule makes him count as his own unit then, so he has to get wounded to start getting the rules.
You’ll get +1 to hit when the first bodyguard carnifex goes down, but you’ll lose it when the second goes.
The Hive Fleets _used_ to have lore, back when subfactions were given mechanical weight. But now that in-universe subfactions have been decoupled from Detachments, GW apparently decided to just... _not include_ any of that lore. So if you wanted to learn about Hive Fleets like Kraken, Behemoth, Jormangandr, Gorgon, Ouroboros, etc, you just can't anymore. The 10th ed book has nothing for you.
Subfactions still do for some armies, I think, we just dont have detachments for the ones this is the case for. I'm pretty sure the Ork and Custodes detachments are named after subfactions.
People were/are joking a lot about leadership but if you keep your eyes peeled in the codex, you notice that you can pretty easily spam ld tests with -1,-2 and even -3 using units that are in every list, like deathleaper, Haruspex, Neurotyrant and Neurolictor and every detachment has something to capitalize on this further. Tyranids leadership shenenigans are no joke
crusher should have been the fun detachment but thankfully....we can run invasion and use the same list. crusher was dialed in, its like they completely ran out of brainpower when they got to this. i am sure this one wrote them in the corner
I would love to see some crusade content in the future
I have read ender’s game. The enemy swarm is like them as with hive mind.
7:05 as I have learned the hard way, do not ever cast polyraptor while a marauding raptor is on your side of the field unless you want to turn the entire table into raptors.
Always a good day when doorhammer uploads
Assimilation swarm is actually really fun imo, especially with tyrant guard, immortal t8 w4 dudes
Also synaptic nexus is considered pretty strong
That 'Enhancements do literally nothing for almost every unit in my army' as someone who likes to run horde tyranids really depressed me when I read it
just got off a 12h shift. Nice little endcap to a long night.
Turns out, the recent The Long and Hungry Road story does got a Hive Mind pov, including what it feels as it fucks over the genestealer cults
Made up a assimilation swarm list that I might play, didn't mess with load outs and focused more on the models themselves, (as a complete noob non competition player) and honestly I think some parasites of mortex to try and earn more rippers and some mines and a sporocyst for some don't go there. I think in the very least she'd be dun 😅
Poorhammer Challenge (1995 points)
Tyranids
Strike Force (2000 points)
Assimilation Swarm
CHARACTERS
Neurotyrant (130 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Neurotyrant claws and lashes
1x Psychic scream
• Enhancement: Parasitic Biomorphology
Parasite of Mortrex (80 points)
• 1x Barbed ovipositor
1x Clawed limbs
Parasite of Mortrex (80 points)
• 1x Barbed ovipositor
1x Clawed limbs
Parasite of Mortrex (80 points)
• 1x Barbed ovipositor
1x Clawed limbs
BATTLELINE
Hormagaunts (130 points)
• 20x Hormagaunt
• 20x Hormagaunt talons
Hormagaunts (130 points)
• 20x Hormagaunt
• 20x Hormagaunt talons
OTHER DATASHEETS
Haruspex (125 points)
• 1x Grasping tongue
1x Ravenous maw
1x Shovelling claws
Haruspex (125 points)
• 1x Grasping tongue
1x Ravenous maw
1x Shovelling claws
Mucolid Spores (50 points)
Neurogaunts (90 points)
• 1x Neurogaunt Nodebeast
• 1x Chitinous claws and teeth
• 20x Neurogaunt
• 20x Chitinous claws and teeth
Psychophage (125 points)
• 1x Psychoclastic torrent
1x Talons and betentacled maw
Psychophage (125 points)
• 1x Psychoclastic torrent
1x Talons and betentacled maw
Pyrovores (90 points)
• 3x Pyrovore
• 3x Chitin-barbed limbs
3x Flamespurt
Pyrovores (90 points)
• 3x Pyrovore
• 3x Chitin-barbed limbs
3x Flamespurt
Ripper Swarms (60 points)
• 3x Ripper Swarm
• 3x Chitinous claws and teeth
Ripper Swarms (60 points)
• 3x Ripper Swarm
• 3x Chitinous claws and teeth
Ripper Swarms (60 points)
• 3x Ripper Swarm
• 3x Chitinous claws and teeth
Spore Mines (110 points)
• 6x Spore Mine
Spore Mines (110 points)
• 6x Spore Mine
Sporocyst (145 points)
• 1x Flensing whips
1x Sporocyst bio-weapons
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Something else to point out about assimilation swarm is the cost/availability of harvester units.
The box for the exocrine/haruspex is probably the most out of stock box in the nids arsenal and are going for silly money on the secondary market. Pyrovores are $50 for 30 points and you probably want 6-9 of them, so you're looking at $300-$450 for 180-270 points which is ridiculous. Psychophages havent had their own release yet, and sure you might be able to get them on the secondary reselling market, but its weird that theyve limited harvesters to a few models, one of which you just cant buy straight up.
Psynaptic nexus is so good if you run it like you think the crusher stampede should play
Honestly if Crusher stam0ede had just said "All tyranid models over a certain number of wounds have +1 to charge. If they have the synapse keyword they get something else or whatever" I would have enjoyed it so much more
The best part of Synaptic Nexus is the fall back and shoot stratagem and the reroll 1's to hit and wound stratagem. They are the reason to choose Nexus.
Hear me out
Savage roar is the enabler for behemoths
You roar and the model doesnt die.
But it probably still gets hit, now it has its bonus turned on.
there is a love robot death episode where two ppl do sience stuff in a hive mind like swarm, i would like to see something like this for the tyranides, where the hivemind also learns about the visitors etc
A simple shooting detachment would be that models in synapse range get shooting bonuses.
Hey, picker of nits here.
What happened to the old white border around Brad and Eric's avatars in response to audio where it pulsed both outward and inward during conversation?
It was really slick.
Just in time to listen to while I do the dishes lol
For crusher stampede, they should do a 3cp buff thats only allowed once per game, where if you use it you lose shadow in the warp, but for the whole army, for the whole turn you activate it, all models weapons have twin linked and d3 damage, but every attack becomes hazardous so you can either kill your opponent with kaiju monstrous shenanigans, but you may lose everything in the process. And you only get it for one turn. Note, the d3 damage will only apply to weapons that deal 1 or 2 damage per successful attack.
Came for 40k Left with a New Magic podcast today is a good day
Gonna give it to you guys straight. I like rulesy videos more.
Don't think we haven't noticed that Hydralisk, hanging around like we was part of the crew.
Racism in Poorhammer...I'm not mad, I think I just expected better...
Congrats on being the first comment to notice that Easter egg. We made it more obvious in a different iteration, but I really like how subtle the lisk is in the corner.
@@thepoorhammerpodcast Well, now I just feel sorry for the audience entirely.
My wife called my Tyranid army "Dinosaurs with guns", should I divorce her?
Yes
Absolutely not! She has an excellent grasp on the Tyranids vibe
I'd say she is a great advertiser of Tyranids.
Recently started to watch your videoes, ! really like your take on the topics and the perspective you look at Warhammer/GW things from as well as funnsies jokes and sjit. Good times when ! need a break from Darktide and need to build my minis.
Gotta agree about the behemoth detatchment, honestly I’d be fine if they went back to 9ths rules, reroll charges and add +1 strength.
GW needs to listen to these podcasts because there are some good fixes suggested. Definitely the first detachment.
If we can ever relate to the Hive Mind, then it stops being a horrifying alien presense thing. They should never give us a book from the Tyranid perspective.
GW did the same thing with the 1st company detachment in Space Marines. They think that the datasheets are so strong that the detachment can be lackluster or they will be OP. The problem is that they already have a balancing mechanic... points. So now you have a few strong monsters that cannot hold their own.
someone should try to come up with subfaction lore for the endless swarms of the hive mind? i could try, but i can't guarantee it'd be as full as a lot of lore nuts might want. as someone that started with tyranids, coming from the tyranid perspective could be fun
my collection might be small at 1000ish points, but i like my endless swarm and that's probably how it's gonna grow, monster sprinkled in here and there
I wish Mrs. Brad was here for tyranid talk
Love the thumbnail
I once used corrosive viscera on a hierophant when it was killed, it killed 3 of my own monsters and 2 of them exploded naturally. Absolutely hilarious on turn 5.
Iirc, Necrons are only getting 5, so that might be a fun rant in the future.
Comparing Magic rulesets and 40k is almost unfair, in the sense that only one of them seems to have a rules team that has a basic grasp of the consequences of their core, unchangeable systems. Nobody understand their game better than the team designing Magic, if just because when the game's internals are misunderstood, the game becomes an unplayable mess that nobody wants to buy. They still mess up, but comparing modern sets from anything in in the first 10 years shows how much the game design has evolved.
40k's core systems have more spikey bits than the mouth of a psychophage, but it sure seems that the design team is unaware of the issues that have been there forever. It's crazy what they release. The most generous thing I can think here is that they have far fewer designers, and that they are so overworked that they have no time to think about anything.
Currently, Vanguard Onslaught is what I want the most as a GSC player who loves melee