This is actually a REALLY good review on the hits and misses of the Disney version of Doug. Being truthful, I liked the Nick version if only because it didn't play as safe as the Disney version did, even if the Disney version tried going into more 'mature subjects' (Patty getting an eating disorder) but not really doing anything new with it. I think what made the OG Doug stick with a lot of people is while it did handle a lot of things that some of the audience members wouldn't get, (mostly the dating worries and stuff given some of the kids watching the show when it first came on didn't even care about dating yet) they just handled them in an entertaining way that you like his adventures. As I said, the Disney version went in kinda soft and threw in a lot of things that took away the charm that the characters had. It wasn't so much CHANGE but it's the type of change that doesn't work with the character they're doing it to. Like with Roger; yeah, after knowing about his family life, you wouldn't be against both he and his mother getting more money and moving out of a trailer park but they sort of went up a bit too far by making them RICH to the same level of Bebe. I didn't even mind with another baby added into the family but again, it's important that the baby is still a character not a prop. Though I did laugh at the episode where Judy and Doug think they locked themselves out of the house with Dirtbike and Judy is SO desperate she starts trying to dig into the house with a SPOON. Surprisingly, I liked Roger as a kid but Judy got on my freaking nerves so seeing her in that type of situation just felt...well, FITTING. Sweet, SWEET justice. All in all, I think what sort of weighed down the transition from networks were that Nick and Disney were night and day in what they wanted. A lot of people often comment that Nicktoons were created as the opposite of the more family-friendly somewhat homogenized cartoons that Disney were making for TV which allowed for more experimental things to come out of the original Nicktoon era. This was still the 90s so the idea of cable network cartoons that didn't have to adhere so hard to what the idea of animation had to be and Saturday morning rules was what drew a lot of kids (including myself) into the Nicktoons. And I liked Disney's One Saturday Morning as well but when you think about it, Disney didn't need Doug when it had its own, and better, school time adventure series going on; Recess. And yes, I enjoyed Recess a hell of a lot more because, well, it didn't have to juggle with its own identity of trying to keep up with its original series all the while still trying to balance on the standards that DISNEY wanted it to have. Recess also had a whole new set of younger characters to latch onto and like Doug also explored the background characters and the adult characters as well. Looking at that, a time skip a bit further WOULD have worked better for Doug vs only just ONE year. Doug entering actual HIGHSCHOOL would have been nice and learning about the BIG changes that come with that but given how American animation goes, they don't like showing the POV of older characters that much, one of the reason we have more slice of life stories in elementary and middle school vs highschool and beyond, unless we cross into adult animation territory. The idea is that anyone who isn't in middle school no longer has life or adventures. All in all, I liked this review. It really did remind me of how much I loved the Nick Doug when I watched it the first time and while it was silly just how heartfelt the series could be at time. The Disney version isn't the worst switch/reboot/time skip made but the problems really do highlight the things that made the original so unique at the time as well as what made the characters so special. Doug in the original was a dork and he made mistakes that we all made when we were growing up but that's part of the reason why we love him. I don't understand why Disney just made him so...well, petty? And the comments you mentioned about the basketball episode put it into perspective a lot, especially with two episodes from the original. One being Doug Out of Left Field which was one of the best episodes in the series, not just for showing Patty overcoming the baseball team not letting her own because she was a girl to make her OWN team but also showing that Doug DOES have skill with baseball but he didn't know because he was playing in a way that hindered his swing given he's left handed. And then there was the episode which was a better example of showing Patty being vulnerable at the thought of losing and that was when Doug has a winning streak against her, making her feel threatened and outmatched in the thing she loved. I mean, I could do on longer about how stories were worked in both but you did a pretty good job with this. I enjoyed watching the review. :)
You hit the nail on the head with this comment.. I consider myself a true 90s baby (1992).. The Nick-Dough always got the hype for obvious reasons, some that you mentioned as well... I'll always be in the minority with this subject though. It's out of pure nostalgia but the Disney-Dough was always more fun to me... I think that comes from my mornings as a kid growing up... They would play this show in the morning on the Disney channel vs afternoon on Nick. Late 90s Disney mornings doesn't get brought up enough. This show was the epicenter of that time frame.
I remember Nickelodeon rerunning Doug, and I was pretty confused when Disney aired their Doug. I was starting to think Cartoon Network would get a version of Doug.
13:11 too expensive? Are you serious Disney the company that has two freaking theme parks and made tons of money from the Disney renaissance can't afford Billy west
I do admit Dougs new voice wasn't that bad as it made him sound a little more older and a bit more showing that people voices can change over the years
That's what I always put it as, especially when they...actually did explain that in the show. Doug notes that Sketter is getting taller and Sketter remakes that Doug's voice is changing and Doug was just kinda weirded out by it.
That was pretty wild seeing skunky beumont for this time, I also like how they made Doug grow up, and gave him new, more adult challenges, but.... those sleeves are unforgivable.
Disney's Doug started off great and then it removed everything holy about the show one by one 1: Billy West 2: Honker Burger 3: Doug's personality 4: No imagination 5: The Beets 6: Skeeter the fun friend 7: Hometown/School pride 8: Roger the bully/misunderstood bad boy 9: Mr. Boone from the start 10: Old Mayor( I like Mrs Dink as the Mayor but please stick to the choice and leave the old one behind, Mayor offers nothing now) 11: Porkchop, although he's here he's really not, he's just here in spirit instead of the faithful sidekick to Doug 12: Music, how can you have Doug without the background music, hmm a tune from the Disney version outside the intro, the weird background music is just as big a star as Doug, to this day me and my family still breakout and do those songs like human beatboxes, loved the music of this show and over 20 years of it still in my head is the proof of how good Nickelodeon had it which surprised me because Disney is also known for its music but they really dropped the ball when they picked up Doug, Recess and Pepper Ann has more tunes than Doug 13: Plot, it's a show about nothing basically but it always felt like it was bigger than life, I don't know how Nick captured a kid/teenager life so well but it was always about nothing to something memorable each episode, I struggle to remember episodes of the Disney version I watched twice in my life compared to the Nick version, episodes like the bagging of a Neemotoad, Missing the Beets in Concert, the mysterious Hamburger Boy saving kids from drowning, Doug's first date with Patti on whether or not it was or wasn't, Doug destroying a house with a single rock that used to belong to Patti when her mom was still alive, this is off the top of my head and I could still go on, only thing I truly remember from Disney is the movie with Herman Melville and the fact that Roger is rich but I couldn't tell you what happened in his episode to make him rich cause I don't remember it, this is where each version differs the most, nothing is memorable Things I like about Disney's Doug 1: Connie (She had the most growth from the original and flaunts it likes it's long overdue and I like that about her here) 2: Mayor Dink (Behaves like an actual Mayor chosen by the people, no shenanigans) 3: Ms Kristal(barely but she did feel like a Nick's Doug character, nothing wrong with that) I really hate this show for destroying my childhood while I was still in it, Nick's Doug was me because I always moved as a kid and it showed me good morals I still carry with me today, got none of this from the spin-off, just a bunch of changes and Doug crying every episode about nothing and being a jerk whenever the opportunity arises
You summed it up nicely. From the few Disney episodes I've watched it also seems to me that they underutilized Porkchop. Porkchop was the shit! And seeing what they did to Skeeter breaks my heart as he was probably my favorite character in the Nick series, second only to Porkchop. Fred Newman's talents were really underutilized in the Disney series.
I know that Billy West hates this version, but if he had been involved it at least would have been an improvement. I also didn't like how they made Roger rich and closed down the Honker Burger and split up the Beets, and naming the school after Bebe and having it shaped like her head was stupid, but I didn't mind the new character designs or the fact that they gave Doug a new baby sister, and I'm glad that they eventually brought back Mr. Bone. If they had been just a little more careful with those things I bet the Disney series would have been a little better received. I would also like to point out that Mrs. Dink becoming the new mayor actually happened towards the end of the Nick series, so you can't blame Disney for that one
I don't have a problem with the changes as far as characters, etc. I have a problem with Disney monopolizing every creative franchise from here to Timbuktu. And then deciding that because Doug wasn't making them enough money, to abandon it completely and ignore the original creator's ideas to expand the series to Doug's older years. Disney saw Doug as a quick little cash grab and nothing more.
@@davidlewis5189 I have a hard time buying that considering they did this crap to so many other franchises they've purchased. This is what they do now: buy a thing, change everything about it to match a marketing checklist, and then when it fails, abandon it to buy the next thing. Repeat until they own the rights to everything and suck the arts dry like some evil parasite from space. Jinkins expressed a desire to several ideas with his own creation and they denied him because they didn't think it would match there required checklist.
It wasn’t as good as Nick’s but overall I enjoyed the show. Think when I was a kid and it first aired I didn’t even realize it was a different series just thought it was further seasons. I binged it on Disney+ last year and honestly the only big detriment the show has to me was way too many Quailman episodes in the final season. I think the back half of the season especially was around 60+% Quailman and it just got tiresome after a bit.
Out of every post I could find online about why the Disney version of Doug sucks, it’s refreshing to see reasoning that doesn’t simply boil down to “it’s not like the original.” and actually explaining your argument. Kudos.
Since rewatching the Nickelodeon series, I found another small (but still fairly annoying) plothole. In the episode “Doug vs. The Klotzoid Zombies”, it’s established that Doug’s been living in Bluffington for a year. Then “Doug’s Birthday Present” comes two seasons later when he turns twelve. So technically, he should have aged up more in the Disney version.
I do TOO. But when I was around 9, I seen the promo on ABC when they showed this Brand Spankin' New Doug. I watched the show for a little while and believe me, they changed everything in this version when Walt Disney took over the project fr. Voices were different; Billy West was replaced by Tom McHugh, as Roger's voice was replaced, and every other cast member might have been still on the show.
Same here. As I kid I had a VHS for a few episodes of Disney's Doug and tbh I never noticed the difference. I enjoyed it just the same as the original. Still do tbh.
This same thing happened to Nickelodeon Germany, they use to have the air rights to gumball season 1-3 but then Cartoon Network Germany picked it up but it was the same series
I didn’t like the way Disney changed Connie Benge weight so dramatically with little explanation. It was almost to say that big girls have no place in kids animation. There also was no positive points to her weight loss. It would have been a great opportunity for them to promote exercising and eating healthy but what it seemed like is that she was just the former fat girl that went to a “beauty farm” aka fat camp and lost 50 pounds in their 3 month Sumer vacation which is totally unhealthy btw.
yeah, Connie losing weight wasn't just "nitpicking". it was fatphobic and promoted unhealthy weight-loss programs for the sake of having the main cast more photogenic.
Kevin TV THE WORST NICKTOONS REBOOTS 3: all grown up (im not including pre school daze because its an honorable mention) 2: disneys doug (continuation) 1: ren and stimpy adult party cartoon
Oh my goodness, that was the voice I was thinking of! I just watched a bit of Doug for the first time since I was a kid and I thought he sounded so like another cartoon character but couldn't place it. Thought I'd just browse the related Doug videos before I went to Google it to see if the voice actor was anyone from something else, but you saved me all the hardship lol. Thanks mate!!
@@OldSchoolLane You forgot to mention the Arthur season 15 episode, “To Eat or Not to Eat”, where Buster imagines himself a private eye detective as he solves the case about this new candy bar that was all the rage, and kids wanted to have it, but it contained ingredients that were considered highly addictive.
Disney's Doug was just bland and flavorless. The charm, imagination, humor, and a tad bit of that classic Nicktoons edginess, was removed, watered down, and just simply forgotten about. I can't for the life of me understand why certain characters, and settings were changed entirely. Trailer park, Greaser Roger was best. Him being a bully towards Doug, made his character a nice foil and motivator, for Doug's character. Roger coming from a trailer park, being raised by a single mom, yet hidden soft side, made him relatable, and charming. Honestly, I think the focus being mostly on Doug was best, even as much as I love the side characters. The side characters kept their characterization, and their enigma. Doug's innocence, imagination, and us as the viewers seeing things through his eyes, are what made his daily adventures, and the other characters special, because we saw them through his eyes. More importantly, Doug's imaginative adventures appealed to the real childlike innocence of the Idyllic 90s era. Disneys Doug can go die in a dumpster fire.
It had to do with Disney’s Doug being on abc part of Disney’s One Saturday Morning. It had to be educational to cover the mandate from the government. The Children’s Television Act where kids had to watch at least three hours of television and yes, it’s the law and it’s still a thing apparently
Even those examples of Patti not being able to sing break continuity - in the Nickelodeon series, we hear that she CAN sing - for example, during the talent show in "Doug's No Dummy"
There's some things I hate in Disney's Doug: Connie's non-sense weight-loss since she had no problem with her body in the original series, Roger becoming rich and his character development flushed down from the toilet, annoying "let's make Doug more hip to kids" music, having a school naming contest despite the fact it's shaped like Beebe's head and named after her, and a character named Bobby. They should've been left out. There's some good things in it, too. Like Judy getting her own episodes, Dark Quail and the Triad of Terror, Mr. Dink being less creepy, Beebe experiencing poverty, interesting details of Mr. Funnie's past, Guy Graham, and Guy and Roger having their HoYay moments. Yeah, I ship them.
There was an Arthur episode from season 14 where his sister D.W. dealt with the same issue with comebacks when the Tibble Twins made fun of her haircut and started calling her Dennis.
From looking at IMDb, Disney’s Doug had 12 Quailman episodes. I thought the Quailman episodes were the most boring and skipped them as a kid. I also didn’t like that each episode was focused on one story instead of two 10 minute episodes. The episodes weren’t interesting enough for the entire 30 minutes
I get why people don't like Disney's Doug, as they ruined the characters of Doug, Patti, and Connie, but other than that, Disney's Doug still taught us kids good lessons. Most of my favorite episodes are Doug Gets His Wish, Doug Gets A Roommate, Doug's Minor Catastrophe, Doug's Chubby Buddy, Doug Gets Right Back On!, and Doug's Adventures Online.
Admittedly the Disney episode where Roger wants a plastic cow is one of my favorites in the whole series and "buy more butter" has become a catch phrase for me and multiple family members
what funny is in the episode where Roger wants the plastic cow and got Judy hat and when she went to get it back and beat the stuffing out of roger it showed he still had a crush on her despite the fact he moved past her in the Nick doug series episode
About Doug getting a continuation at a time when it was rare for western cartoons, does the revival era of Rugrats from 1996-2004 qualify as a continuation? If so then there's another rare example from back in the day.
I grew up with Doug. What was painful about Disney’s Doug was that (here comes a cliche) it lost the spirit of the original. Doug Funnie was an insecure teenage boy who has real kid problems which are relatable to other kids his age. Each episode involved him overcoming problems that almost every insecure kid has faced and had to overcome. The Disney version lost that, it was SO needlessly contrived and featured plot points that would NOT happen in real life. Patty Mayonnaise is the foil for Doug. She’s a smart, talented, athletic, self assured girl. So given this dynamic it was VERY hard to believe that she suddenly had an eating disorder. It was SO out of character for her. I could go on, but I’m going to stop here.
18:16 so it makes perfect sense to me. He comes into this new thing being rich now he reached that area, flaunting it makes too much sense in rogers case because he is doing what he knows.
Here I am, a 13 year old girl who didnt grow up with Doug. Being angry about doug. Edit: whats up losers im 19 now and ive grown up.. disney isnt that bad. My eyes have been opened
Personally, I feel there's no need for a new continuation, even if it is completely under Jim Jenkins. Such a thing probably would have been better in the mid 2000s but in this day and age, I wouldn't risk it.
Disney's Doug and the Rugrats spinoff both had many issues with 90's fans. I myself thought Disney's Doug and All Grown Up were great shows. Yet in AGU Tommy was a jerk like Doug. Tommy said some cruel things to his best friend Chuckie, his brother Dil and even his own mother Didi. In the episode "Rats Race" Tommy insulted Dil and Chuckie so badly he even made Dil cringe. Even in the TV movie "RV Having Fun Yet" (I believe it was called) he insulted his mother. Tommy Pickles and Doug Funnie were leaders and great role models in their original 1991 cartoons, sadly the same thing could not be said in AGU and Disney's Doug. I couldn't believe how much Tommy and Doug changed. Just like how Disney's Doug focused on the side characters the same thing happened with All Grown Up. In the original 1991 cartoons Tommy and Doug were strongly focused on in almost every episode. In Disney's Doug & All Grown Up the spinoffs focused more other main/side characters and less on Tommy and Doug. In All Grown Up and Disney's Doug both Angelica and Roger they both acted more like spoiled rich kids and not antagonists. They both still had their issues yet Roger became nicer to Doug (he was still mean not as he was in the Nick series) and Angelica became a nicer person, they both could still say mean things yet they both cared more about being spoiled and popular. I think adding Guy Graham and Savannah as new villains was strange. Disney's Doug & All Grown Up seemed more like animated pre-teen/teenage drama sitcoms, unlike the original 1991 cartoons that were for all ages. Ren and Stimpy Adult Party Cartoon also was a show that 90's fans also hate. When Nickelodeon first aired those three Nicktoons they were all ground breaking so when Doug went to Disney then became a few months older & his life changed too fast, the Rugrats aged by 9 years & their personalities changed and Ren and Stimpy had a mature adult show that confused their original fans. Rugrats was about a baby's point of view on life, Doug was about an 11-year-old boy's point of view of life and Ren & Stimpy was about a cat and a dog's point of view of life. But their revivals didn't seem as a point of view on anything anymore and fans probably dislike their spinoffs because of that. Planet Sheen also gets hate. So I'm hoping if they bring Rocko's Modern Life, Hey Around and Invader Zim back I hope Nickelodeon makes sure they get the movie done right and not do what happened to All Grown Up and Planet Sheen.
KGJC! Channel Really loved your in depth conversation on Disney's Doug and Rugrats' later seasons. It's nice to see other people's opinions on the same subject. Hopefully the upcoming TV movies does the TV shows justice. Thanks for the comment.
All Grown Up almost seemed like a ripoff of Disney's Doug. I'm wouldn't be surprised because Nickelodeon and Disney started competing with each other around this time. All Grown Up is a cartoon that seemed like it was made by Disney yet it was actually made by Nickelodeon. Both Rugrats and Doug should have shown TV movies showing how they aged by 9 years or just a summer. Doug Funnie and Tommy Pickles were both early 90's cartoon leaders and role models to millions of children. However in AGU and Disney's Doug they we're no longer good examples of what they use to be. In AGU and Disney's Doug many episodes focused on other characters and less of the main protagonists Doug Funnie and Tommy Pickles, Tommy and Doug were not the core of the shows anymore. In AGU some episodes focused much more on Angelica, Chuckie, Phil & Lil, Kimmi, with Tommy only being a side character or just making a cameo (like in Disney Doug) in some episodes. I'm glad Dil Pickles at least had a character development since Rugrats despite that he turned out to be just like his weird & crazy father Stu Pickles.
KGJC! Channel Doug Funnie and Tommy a Pickles were leaders and role models in the original early 90s. Unfortunately, the were both jerks in their new shows Disney Doug and All Grown Up!. Angelica was too busy in AGU trying to impress Savannah and Roger was way too busy fighting Bebe Bluff in Disney's Doug.
Somewhere around 10 episodes in of Disney’s Doug I lost interest because I didn’t like how Doug was treating Pattie that he would never done that on the nickelodeon series.
I have Nickelodeon Doug merchandise. Capri sun trading cards from 1991,Hardee’s kids meals toys from 1994 and kids party invitations from 1995. There isn’t a lot of anything big but they licensed some stuff for sure.
at first I only knew about Doug from Doug's First Movie, which I didn't mind as a kid. After watching both versions of the show however, I do have to say that Disney's Doug is pretty bad and that the Nickelodeon one was better. I thought Doug was pretty unlikable for most of the Disney show and had a shorter temper. If they ever reboot Doug, they should just make it about Mr. Dink and his grill.
Hearing your thoughts on Disney doug is my reaction to Digimon adventure tri as it not bad but pretty much puts everything back to the season 1 status quo and tries to use the same plot almost like digimon Data squad showing sometimes trying to carry on from something means making it fresh and new as season 2 implied some changes at the end
Disney's Doug might not live up to the original series, not like Nickelodeon's Doug was really that good in the first place in my opinion, but I think most of us can agree on one thing. Disney's Doug is a better reboot than Ren and Stimpy: Adult Party Cartoon.
‘Doug directs’ reminds me of an Arthur episode from season 7 where the class was putting together a school play commemorating their city’s 100th anniversary. They all had different ideas of how it should be done, especially Buster and the Brain. None of them were working together at all in the beginning, until Muffy gave them a pep talk.
Disney's version as a transition from Nick's reminds me EXACTLY of what happened to Boy Meets World when it went from down-to-earth and real to totally insane and cartoony so Cory is the only thing I can even STAND getting through to the end, mainly because HIS craziness was actually always part of who he WAS, his sense of humor and especially always blowing things out of proportion so everyone had to tell him to calm down and stop overreacting. Literally the SAME goes for Doug, whose character and personality is SO much like him it isn't even funny! They're equally so hard on themselves, they flip out about things the same way, are SO similar with their expressions of insecurity, they have good hearts and want to do right by people, and they want to understand life every bit as much as they want to enjoy it--heck, the first EPISODE of Disney's has him going crazy over how everything is changing so fast literally JUST like Cory when he was graduating from high school! If you mix Skeeter and Roger you get SHAWN too, and if you mix Patti and Beebe you get Topanga! Cory didn't have fantasies until later on, but when he did...the only thing I WISH I could've seen is Doug standing next to a poster of a beet telling Skeeter how there's nothing interesting about him the way Cory did while standing next to a poster of celery:) I MUCH prefer Disney's theme song to Nick's too, I like how cheerful and lively the tune is and the way Doug interacts with the other characters. Nick's version reminds me of Boy Meets World's for the first half of the show while Disney's is like their later two with the lyrics...Doug himself makes me enjoy watching both versions the same:) [I already know the answer to this] And I could've sworn role models were supposed to be real people with very real flaws, not be perfect all the time, because people in reality know that nobody is like that...nobody is good and nice all the time, they make mistakes and learn from them...when people get the complex characters they say they want they complain that they aren't the perfect role models they want...THEN when they get their perfect-all-the-time-who-never-do-anything-wrong characters they complain about them because they aren't realistic not making mistakes and being jerks sometimes...hmm...can't have it both ways...
Hey Arnold and Doug have many similar episodes like Helga blabs it all and Doug's secret song.Beebee goes broke and Rhonda goes broke, Doug's in the money and Bag o money, and much more.
I grew up watching Disney's version of Doug and I really didn't know that there was a Nick's version of it. After watching both versions, I kind lean towards Nick's version more. While I don't really think Disney's version is bad or awful, I think that it didn't do much compared to Nick's version.
You're 100% correct about the changes to Roger. Making him rich removes any redeeming qualities he might have had, and now he just plain sucks. Granted, I'm happy for his mom because she at least seems like a genuinely good person, but Roger only became a worse version of himself.
@@davidlewis5189 He's a poor kid raised by a single mother in a trailer, so that explains why he's got a chip on his shoulder, yet despite all of that, he does love at least one thing: his cat. He even asks Doug to take care of her while he and his mom go on vacation, so even though he picks on Doug a lot, he trusts him more than any of his other friends to be responsible for the one thing he actually loves. Roger's still a jerk, but the show made it clear that he's mainly a jerk because he's got a lot of sadness in his life that he hasn't worked through.
48:26 ... in the Nickelodeon episode with the talent show, Patti performs an original song about/inspired by her mother and she sounds perfectly fine. It's in the background while Doug is fretting over his costume or something backstage before he goes up, but she is clearly audible. :/ MOAR ERROR
I liked Disneys Doug. I think the point of all those changes in the first episode were to show kids that things change over time and that this is part of growing up. There was even an episode where Doug says that the only constant in life is change. The school never being done shows kids that sometimes adults dont have things all figured out, which is what we all learn growing up. It wasn't because they wanted to differentiate the old from the new version...the Honker Burger and the Beets were all animated, so it was definitely an artistic choice. Overall, I liked Disneys Doug, but I do agree that they played it safe too much, such as with the first movie. I wish they would move the character development a big further instead of a random story about a monster that seemed more like a longer version of the show. The outfit changes and the voices didnt bother me at all. It's the heart of the show that matters. I thought the music in the Nick version was the best and the plots were a bit more unpredictable, but I would not say that the Disney version was bad. It was an all round solid show from start to end.
To me what I give Disney Doug credit is making Doug relatable and had understandable moments as with him getting fed up with Patti helping him with sports worked here as it showed him getting tired of not being good at things he wanted to be and was getting fed up Patti trying to offer him help everytime as it a understandable moment we want to learn something on are own but we get fed up with one person trying to mother or force there help onto us despite there good intentions
Main issues: The best parts of original Doug were; Doug's kooky imagination sequences, the music, and Porkchop. All these things were minimized in the Disney Doug version.
My problem is with Disney itself as a corporation. It just seems like they want to buy out every single creative franchise that might pose any semblance of a competition for them. It's as if they're trying to monopolize the world of entertainment as a whole! From Star Wars, too Marvel, to The Muppets, and also Doug, I'm just tired of seeing Disney buying out everything! Doesn't anybody find that disconcerting? That a single company simply has to write a few checks, and then they own the copyright to every creative franchise that has molded the imaginations of three generations. They even attempted to buy Sailor Moon! Even as a child this made me feel weird. It was more like I thought to myself: Wow. Disney owns that, TOO? WHAT DON'T THEY OWN? I don't like them as a company anymore. They have a long history of negative behaviors, copyright abuse, misogyny in the workplace dating back to the days of Walt and Roy. What's more even on this very platform of RUclips, they have copyright claimed innocent transformative works, completely ignoring fair use. It seems like they want to capitalize on the popular franchises they buy, but then deconstruct them to be more "marketable" (in their opinion). Then they expect fanbases to accept this while ridiculing any who dislike the changes, declaring "Everything changes, get over it and quit whining!" But...the reason WHY they bought these intellectual property rights was BECAUSE of the nostalgic elements that made them popular in the first place! It IS middle finger to the creators, the fans, and even future franchises to come. The clear message they send is: "You like what we tell you to like. Give us your money and shut up."
The original deal required Jumbo to produce 65 episodes of Doug, which Nickelodeon would air in blocks of 13 per season. After four seasons and 52 episodes of Doug, Nickelodeon declined to order the additional 13, citing the show's expensive budget. The network had a two-year window in which it could reverse the decision. The duo received strong interest from several networks, among them ABC. Each time they received interest, they would notify Nickelodeon in order to speed up ordering the series' fifth season. In 1996, The Walt Disney Company purchased ABC while also purchasing Doug in a multimillion-dollar deal with Jinkins and Campbell. The deal involved buying Jumbo Pictures and "signing them to five-year contracts, with stock options, to be Disney executives." The company also purchased the Doug trademark and its rights to all future merchandising. Due to the gap in time, it took between the series' run on Nickelodeon and its beginning on ABC, there were several creative changes. Billy West was replaced by Tom McHugh as the voice of Doug, while his role as Roger was taken over by Chris Phillips. Disney could not afford West, as his fame had grown from voicing characters in Ren & Stimpy and other animated properties. Jinkins argues that he worked hard to keep West on the series, claiming that the deal the company offered him was breaking their budget. In 2013, despite not returning to the Disney version, West mentioned that he'd like Nickelodeon to resume production with the original Doug and to return as the role/character. Many original staff members of Doug regard the Disney run as inferior. Jinkins was less hands-on regarding the production of the show's Disney episodes due to other responsibilities. "I mostly agree with Doug fans who think the original 104 eleven-minute Doug stories made for Nick were the best", Jinkins later said. David Campbell felt the Nickelodeon episodes were "quirkier" and better, while Constance Shulman, Patti Mayonnaise's voice actress, felt voice recording sessions were not the same in the show's newer incarnation: "I missed all the gang crammed in the studio, waiting for their turn for the big group scene. Someone just dimmed the magic a bit."
Disney’s Doug first aired on September 7, 1996 and Disney’s 1 aired on September 13, 1997 the show ended on June 26 1999 with Doug's Marriage Madness and 1 Saturday morning ended in 2002 meaning It aired on Disney’s 1 for the majority of it’s life
This is a petty thing to fixate on, but, for me, it's the un-character from the original series, Skunky Beaumont. He was kind of a running gag; referred to, but never shown, save one instance of him waving from off camera, arm visivle in frame. Disney's Doug just decided, nope, he's a full character with an onscreen presence.
I'm waiting for Disney to release their complete series of their version of Doug on DVD. Nickelodeon has, so why not Disney? Also, that argument with the first episode and the newcomers is EXTREMELY VALID because Disney's Doug premiered on broadcast television, while the original Doug premiered on cable.
Disney doesn't even release series sets of Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, Hercules, Tarzan, etc. of their animated series. Sadly I don't think they'd even give doing that with Doug a chance when they don't even do it with their properties that are big names
+Nightman221k the closet Disney tv show releases on DVD were Kim Possible Seasons 1 and 2 & The Weekenders Seasons 1 & 2 (which were very overpriced) Just about every episode of the original DuckTales before the animated movie. Gargoyles Seasons 1 and 2 (apparently the Disney mandated season 3 was never released), Lizzie McGuire "volume 1" (which had the first 21 episodes), Hannah Montana Season 1 (yes. This was a thing), Two separate DVD releases of Gravity falls (the first one having the first six episodes. The second having the next eight.) along with assorted DVD releases of That's so Raven, Suite Life of Zach and Cody and Hannah Montana that each had three or so episodes of their respective series. Also both Disney channel crossovers were also released. When asked why the Disney series aren't on DVD, Disney said it was because season sets cost more to make.
I think it could fit on Disney's upcoming streaming service. Nickelodeon's Doug could be placed on Viacom's streaming service this year. This would make Viacom and Disney rivals in streaming.
That's the problem with Disney. They're not going to release something that they don't feel can boost them financially and marketing wise. They see Doug as a lame duck of a franchise.
I’m currently watching Disneys doug and I must complain. There are WAY too many Quail man episodes that literally are the whole episode or take up most of the episodes. It’s like they didn’t have ideas and they just went with the sci fi route. I honestly hate how much quail man episodes took up the show on Disney
Overall the Nick version of Doug was just more relatable and down to earth with much more substance in it's stories. I noticed the same thing when I re-watched and compared shows like Hey Arnold to Recess.
you were very thorough and honestly I really don't enjoy Doug all that much regardless of the era, but for an hour video you used it quite well. haha great work~
@@gr8gmr in the first episode mr dink hid in the bushes and took a pick of doug thinking he was a nematode. There was a meme years ago about it being for nefarious purposes
33:35 this episode is iconic, it's one of the ones I remember and liked the most, along with that one that the twins push the sun away and create a new ice age.
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This is actually a REALLY good review on the hits and misses of the Disney version of Doug. Being truthful, I liked the Nick version if only because it didn't play as safe as the Disney version did, even if the Disney version tried going into more 'mature subjects' (Patty getting an eating disorder) but not really doing anything new with it. I think what made the OG Doug stick with a lot of people is while it did handle a lot of things that some of the audience members wouldn't get, (mostly the dating worries and stuff given some of the kids watching the show when it first came on didn't even care about dating yet) they just handled them in an entertaining way that you like his adventures.
As I said, the Disney version went in kinda soft and threw in a lot of things that took away the charm that the characters had. It wasn't so much CHANGE but it's the type of change that doesn't work with the character they're doing it to. Like with Roger; yeah, after knowing about his family life, you wouldn't be against both he and his mother getting more money and moving out of a trailer park but they sort of went up a bit too far by making them RICH to the same level of Bebe. I didn't even mind with another baby added into the family but again, it's important that the baby is still a character not a prop. Though I did laugh at the episode where Judy and Doug think they locked themselves out of the house with Dirtbike and Judy is SO desperate she starts trying to dig into the house with a SPOON. Surprisingly, I liked Roger as a kid but Judy got on my freaking nerves so seeing her in that type of situation just felt...well, FITTING. Sweet, SWEET justice.
All in all, I think what sort of weighed down the transition from networks were that Nick and Disney were night and day in what they wanted. A lot of people often comment that Nicktoons were created as the opposite of the more family-friendly somewhat homogenized cartoons that Disney were making for TV which allowed for more experimental things to come out of the original Nicktoon era. This was still the 90s so the idea of cable network cartoons that didn't have to adhere so hard to what the idea of animation had to be and Saturday morning rules was what drew a lot of kids (including myself) into the Nicktoons. And I liked Disney's One Saturday Morning as well but when you think about it, Disney didn't need Doug when it had its own, and better, school time adventure series going on; Recess. And yes, I enjoyed Recess a hell of a lot more because, well, it didn't have to juggle with its own identity of trying to keep up with its original series all the while still trying to balance on the standards that DISNEY wanted it to have. Recess also had a whole new set of younger characters to latch onto and like Doug also explored the background characters and the adult characters as well. Looking at that, a time skip a bit further WOULD have worked better for Doug vs only just ONE year. Doug entering actual HIGHSCHOOL would have been nice and learning about the BIG changes that come with that but given how American animation goes, they don't like showing the POV of older characters that much, one of the reason we have more slice of life stories in elementary and middle school vs highschool and beyond, unless we cross into adult animation territory. The idea is that anyone who isn't in middle school no longer has life or adventures.
All in all, I liked this review. It really did remind me of how much I loved the Nick Doug when I watched it the first time and while it was silly just how heartfelt the series could be at time. The Disney version isn't the worst switch/reboot/time skip made but the problems really do highlight the things that made the original so unique at the time as well as what made the characters so special. Doug in the original was a dork and he made mistakes that we all made when we were growing up but that's part of the reason why we love him. I don't understand why Disney just made him so...well, petty? And the comments you mentioned about the basketball episode put it into perspective a lot, especially with two episodes from the original. One being Doug Out of Left Field which was one of the best episodes in the series, not just for showing Patty overcoming the baseball team not letting her own because she was a girl to make her OWN team but also showing that Doug DOES have skill with baseball but he didn't know because he was playing in a way that hindered his swing given he's left handed. And then there was the episode which was a better example of showing Patty being vulnerable at the thought of losing and that was when Doug has a winning streak against her, making her feel threatened and outmatched in the thing she loved.
I mean, I could do on longer about how stories were worked in both but you did a pretty good job with this. I enjoyed watching the review. :)
You hit the nail on the head with this comment.. I consider myself a true 90s baby (1992).. The Nick-Dough always got the hype for obvious reasons, some that you mentioned as well... I'll always be in the minority with this subject though. It's out of pure nostalgia but the Disney-Dough was always more fun to me... I think that comes from my mornings as a kid growing up... They would play this show in the morning on the Disney channel vs afternoon on Nick. Late 90s Disney mornings doesn't get brought up enough. This show was the epicenter of that time frame.
@@americangangsterlock1550 FIVE HOURS OF SUMMER ONCE A WEEEEK!
Both are okay for me
I made the burger place go away
The biggest problem I had with Disney's Doug was: NO BILLY WEST!
Exactly! Doug's voice belongs to Billy West and Thomas McHugh was just a substitute.
Yeah.
Well I don't care
@Black Belt Jones nigga shut yo afro head ass up
@@flare8197 that’s not nicr
I remember Nickelodeon rerunning Doug, and I was pretty confused when Disney aired their Doug. I was starting to think Cartoon Network would get a version of Doug.
If Cartoon Network got it's hands on Doug, it would have gotten a bit more edgy humor, and it's originality back.
Cartoon Cartoon would have totally did it justice.
They would have afforded the original voice actors.
We would have roger klotz theme etc too
@@smashadams9770 yes yes YESSSS
@@th3azscorpio right on
Mhm you right
Reboots, Remakes, and Revivals is also Reduce, Reuse, and Recycle.
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🤣 That reminded me of Recycle Rex
13:11 too expensive? Are you serious Disney the company that has two freaking theme parks and made tons of money from the Disney renaissance can't afford Billy west
I would like to think Dougs voice changed because of puberty
I do admit Dougs new voice wasn't that bad as it made him sound a little more older and a bit more showing that people voices can change over the years
Mr. Hand banana Fred Newman is the voice of Porkchop as well as Skeeter and Mr. Dink.
Here in Brazil Doug's Nick voice was low and the Disney voice was high :v
But In the Early Episodes of the Disney Version of Doug At first his Voice Was Deep but then later on all of a sudden it was high pitch
That's what I always put it as, especially when they...actually did explain that in the show. Doug notes that Sketter is getting taller and Sketter remakes that Doug's voice is changing and Doug was just kinda weirded out by it.
That was pretty wild seeing skunky beumont for this time, I also like how they made Doug grow up, and gave him new, more adult challenges, but.... those sleeves are unforgivable.
Out of all things sleeves make you mad lol.
Kind of reminds me of the fuss over sonic's arms being blue
If we're being honest Disney has a solid track record of ruining existing franchises
Disney's Doug started off great and then it removed everything holy about the show one by one
1: Billy West
2: Honker Burger
3: Doug's personality
4: No imagination
5: The Beets
6: Skeeter the fun friend
7: Hometown/School pride
8: Roger the bully/misunderstood bad boy
9: Mr. Boone from the start
10: Old Mayor( I like Mrs Dink as the Mayor but please stick to the choice and leave the old one behind, Mayor offers nothing now)
11: Porkchop, although he's here he's really not, he's just here in spirit instead of the faithful sidekick to Doug
12: Music, how can you have Doug without the background music, hmm a tune from the Disney version outside the intro, the weird background music is just as big a star as Doug, to this day me and my family still breakout and do those songs like human beatboxes, loved the music of this show and over 20 years of it still in my head is the proof of how good Nickelodeon had it which surprised me because Disney is also known for its music but they really dropped the ball when they picked up Doug, Recess and Pepper Ann has more tunes than Doug
13: Plot, it's a show about nothing basically but it always felt like it was bigger than life, I don't know how Nick captured a kid/teenager life so well but it was always about nothing to something memorable each episode, I struggle to remember episodes of the Disney version I watched twice in my life compared to the Nick version, episodes like the bagging of a Neemotoad, Missing the Beets in Concert, the mysterious Hamburger Boy saving kids from drowning, Doug's first date with Patti on whether or not it was or wasn't, Doug destroying a house with a single rock that used to belong to Patti when her mom was still alive, this is off the top of my head and I could still go on, only thing I truly remember from Disney is the movie with Herman Melville and the fact that Roger is rich but I couldn't tell you what happened in his episode to make him rich cause I don't remember it, this is where each version differs the most, nothing is memorable
Things I like about Disney's Doug
1: Connie (She had the most growth from the original and flaunts it likes it's long overdue and I like that about her here)
2: Mayor Dink (Behaves like an actual Mayor chosen by the people, no shenanigans)
3: Ms Kristal(barely but she did feel like a Nick's Doug character, nothing wrong with that)
I really hate this show for destroying my childhood while I was still in it, Nick's Doug was me because I always moved as a kid and it showed me good morals I still carry with me today, got none of this from the spin-off, just a bunch of changes and Doug crying every episode about nothing and being a jerk whenever the opportunity arises
You summed it up nicely. From the few Disney episodes I've watched it also seems to me that they underutilized Porkchop. Porkchop was the shit! And seeing what they did to Skeeter breaks my heart as he was probably my favorite character in the Nick series, second only to Porkchop. Fred Newman's talents were really underutilized in the Disney series.
They couldn't get Billy West back because he had WAY more voice acting jobs at that point.
Also. It’s kristal
Tipi became Mayor towards the end of the Nick series
@@DanzigFan-vq3zf I know but she was fully flushed out as Mayor in Disney so that's why I didn't include her in the Nick version
I know that Billy West hates this version, but if he had been involved it at least would have been an improvement. I also didn't like how they made Roger rich and closed down the Honker Burger and split up the Beets, and naming the school after Bebe and having it shaped like her head was stupid, but I didn't mind the new character designs or the fact that they gave Doug a new baby sister, and I'm glad that they eventually brought back Mr. Bone. If they had been just a little more careful with those things I bet the Disney series would have been a little better received.
I would also like to point out that Mrs. Dink becoming the new mayor actually happened towards the end of the Nick series, so you can't blame Disney for that one
I don't have a problem with the changes as far as characters, etc. I have a problem with Disney monopolizing every creative franchise from here to Timbuktu. And then deciding that because Doug wasn't making them enough money, to abandon it completely and ignore the original creator's ideas to expand the series to Doug's older years.
Disney saw Doug as a quick little cash grab and nothing more.
the mayor bob white was an idiot. he was funny but a moron
@@ElanaVital83 Apparently Jim Jenkins the original creator came up with most of the changes we see in the Disney Version...
@@davidlewis5189 I have a hard time buying that considering they did this crap to so many other franchises they've purchased. This is what they do now: buy a thing, change everything about it to match a marketing checklist, and then when it fails, abandon it to buy the next thing. Repeat until they own the rights to everything and suck the arts dry like some evil parasite from space.
Jinkins expressed a desire to several ideas with his own creation and they denied him because they didn't think it would match there required checklist.
It wasn’t as good as Nick’s but overall I enjoyed the show. Think when I was a kid and it first aired I didn’t even realize it was a different series just thought it was further seasons. I binged it on Disney+ last year and honestly the only big detriment the show has to me was way too many Quailman episodes in the final season. I think the back half of the season especially was around 60+% Quailman and it just got tiresome after a bit.
Out of every post I could find online about why the Disney version of Doug sucks, it’s refreshing to see reasoning that doesn’t simply boil down to “it’s not like the original.” and actually explaining your argument. Kudos.
The Mage of Breath Thank you so much. Really appreciate it!
No problemo!
Since rewatching the Nickelodeon series, I found another small (but still fairly annoying) plothole.
In the episode “Doug vs. The Klotzoid Zombies”, it’s established that Doug’s been living in Bluffington for a year.
Then “Doug’s Birthday Present” comes two seasons later when he turns twelve.
So technically, he should have aged up more in the Disney version.
Wasnt Billy West to busy with Futurama
What the best Burger joint in Nickelodeon
Can you do a video for PepperAnn?
I believe Mr Bone chose to retire once summer vacation started. But he later realized retirement just wasn't for him.
i feel having Mr bone return to Doug new school worked as he was pretty much the skinner to his bart simpson
I like the nick version better
I do TOO. But when I was around 9, I seen the promo on ABC when they showed this Brand Spankin' New Doug. I watched the show for a little while and believe me, they changed everything in this version when Walt Disney took over the project fr. Voices were different; Billy West was replaced by Tom McHugh, as Roger's voice was replaced, and every other cast member might have been still on the show.
I never knew that Disney Doug had a hatedom, I personal enjoyed it, but the movie wasn't very good
Sean That's fine. If you like it, then great.
Old School Lane very good video. Just subscribed to you👍🏻
Sean I agree
Same here. As I kid I had a VHS for a few episodes of Disney's Doug and tbh I never noticed the difference. I enjoyed it just the same as the original. Still do tbh.
Disney's doug sucked. I watched but it totally missed having bombs in the lasanga
There's an irony to all of this. Doug not handling change is exactly the same as the fans not handling change.
😂😂😂 toúche
Apparently Doug handled it better then the fans.
This same thing happened to Nickelodeon Germany, they use to have the air rights to gumball season 1-3 but then Cartoon Network Germany picked it up but it was the same series
I didn’t like the way Disney changed Connie Benge weight so dramatically with little explanation. It was almost to say that big girls have no place in kids animation. There also was no positive points to her weight loss. It would have been a great opportunity for them to promote exercising and eating healthy but what it seemed like is that she was just the former fat girl that went to a “beauty farm” aka fat camp and lost 50 pounds in their 3 month Sumer vacation which is totally unhealthy btw.
yeah, Connie losing weight wasn't just "nitpicking". it was fatphobic and promoted unhealthy weight-loss programs for the sake of having the main cast more photogenic.
THE FIRST THREE NICKTOONS REBOOTS
1. Disneys Doug (continuation)
2. All Grown Up and Rugrats Pre School Daze
3. Ren and stimpy adult party cartoon
Kevin TV THE WORST NICKTOONS REBOOTS
3: all grown up (im not including pre school daze because its an honorable mention)
2: disneys doug (continuation)
1: ren and stimpy adult party cartoon
Kevin TV Good thing Rocko didn't really fall victim
@@freddyrichards878 Rocko is getting a TV special.
Stop hating the nicktoons reboots you dorks
And each one is worse than the other.
Billy West's real voice sounds really close to Fry from Futurama. I always knew that but still that's pretty cool.
He always describes the voice of Fry as his own voice when he was 25.
Wait, so they ARE the same guy, then? I had thought so but wasn’t sure. 🧐
Oh my goodness, that was the voice I was thinking of! I just watched a bit of Doug for the first time since I was a kid and I thought he sounded so like another cartoon character but couldn't place it. Thought I'd just browse the related Doug videos before I went to Google it to see if the voice actor was anyone from something else, but you saved me all the hardship lol. Thanks mate!!
Excellent video! I really love these in-depth analyses on these TV shows. Keep it up!
Diego Carvajal Thanks a lot.
I too enjoy listening to your opinions and ideas. 📑
@@OldSchoolLane You forgot to mention the Arthur season 15 episode, “To Eat or Not to Eat”, where Buster imagines himself a private eye detective as he solves the case about this new candy bar that was all the rage, and kids wanted to have it, but it contained ingredients that were considered highly addictive.
This was amazing. Hats off to you for making an hour long video on Doug. Very well spoken, well researched, and overall just awesome! Thanks!
Jack Carlos Thank YOU for watching. Really appreciate it!
Disney's Doug was just bland and flavorless. The charm, imagination, humor, and a tad bit of that classic Nicktoons edginess, was removed, watered down, and just simply forgotten about. I can't for the life of me understand why certain characters, and settings were changed entirely. Trailer park, Greaser Roger was best. Him being a bully towards Doug, made his character a nice foil and motivator, for Doug's character. Roger coming from a trailer park, being raised by a single mom, yet hidden soft side, made him relatable, and charming. Honestly, I think the focus being mostly on Doug was best, even as much as I love the side characters. The side characters kept their characterization, and their enigma. Doug's innocence, imagination, and us as the viewers seeing things through his eyes, are what made his daily adventures, and the other characters special, because we saw them through his eyes. More importantly, Doug's imaginative adventures appealed to the real childlike innocence of the Idyllic 90s era. Disneys Doug can go die in a dumpster fire.
Exactly
Well said!
It had to do with Disney’s Doug being on abc part of Disney’s One Saturday Morning. It had to be educational to cover the mandate from the government. The Children’s Television Act where kids had to watch at least three hours of television and yes, it’s the law and it’s still a thing apparently
There's one other flaw you forgot to mention. Chris Phillips the voice of Face from Nick Jr. voiced Roger Klotz! It doesn't feel right.
Veston Bruno That was after my time. Wouldn't know about that. Sorry.
@@OldSchoolLane so you ' re saying that face voice roger
Even those examples of Patti not being able to sing break continuity - in the Nickelodeon series, we hear that she CAN sing - for example, during the talent show in "Doug's No Dummy"
There's some things I hate in Disney's Doug: Connie's non-sense weight-loss since she had no problem with her body in the original series, Roger becoming rich and his character development flushed down from the toilet, annoying "let's make Doug more hip to kids" music, having a school naming contest despite the fact it's shaped like Beebe's head and named after her, and a character named Bobby. They should've been left out. There's some good things in it, too. Like Judy getting her own episodes, Dark Quail and the Triad of Terror, Mr. Dink being less creepy, Beebe experiencing poverty, interesting details of Mr. Funnie's past, Guy Graham, and Guy and Roger having their HoYay moments. Yeah, I ship them.
There was an Arthur episode from season 14 where his sister D.W. dealt with the same issue with comebacks when the Tibble Twins made fun of her haircut and started calling her Dennis.
Wait, Disney reused plots from the Nickelodeon version? That's just stealing. Although Disney has been doing this for over 90 years now.
All Grown Up! later became a ripoff of Disney's Doug. Nickelodeon probably saw Disney's Doug and wanted to grow up the Rugrats the same way.
Private Account That actually makes sense.
TechInvestGuy 139 Doesn’t matter
@@JohnSmith-kb9dc So it all just comes full circle then.
It's the CIIIRCLE of TOOOOOOONS!
(some lyrics I can't type)
And we watch it AAAAAALL!
@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid Ha-ha! I see what you did there. Lion King reference. Very good. LOL 😆 I get the joke.
From looking at IMDb, Disney’s Doug had 12 Quailman episodes. I thought the Quailman episodes were the most boring and skipped them as a kid. I also didn’t like that each episode was focused on one story instead of two 10 minute episodes. The episodes weren’t interesting enough for the entire 30 minutes
I get why people don't like Disney's Doug, as they ruined the characters of Doug, Patti, and Connie, but other than that, Disney's Doug still taught us kids good lessons. Most of my favorite episodes are Doug Gets His Wish, Doug Gets A Roommate, Doug's Minor Catastrophe, Doug's Chubby Buddy, Doug Gets Right Back On!, and Doug's Adventures Online.
I thought they bulit upon Connie.
That episode where Doug and Skeeter skipped school is one of the best IMHO.
Admittedly the Disney episode where Roger wants a plastic cow is one of my favorites in the whole series and "buy more butter" has become a catch phrase for me and multiple family members
what funny is in the episode where Roger wants the plastic cow and got Judy hat and when she went to get it back and beat the stuffing out of roger it showed he still had a crush on her despite the fact he moved past her in the Nick doug series episode
Patti having short hair killed it for me
Finding out she is a lesbian really killed it for Doug. He really wanted the Honker Burger.
@@Bonesph When was Patti revealed to be a lesbian?
I actually had a happy meal toy from Doug's 1st movie it was of the monster and when pressed the button on its stomach it's eyes would light up red
I remember a Pork chop figuring at my Church toy bin. 🐶
About Doug getting a continuation at a time when it was rare for western cartoons, does the revival era of Rugrats from 1996-2004 qualify as a continuation? If so then there's another rare example from back in the day.
I grew up with Doug. What was painful about Disney’s Doug was that (here comes a cliche) it lost the spirit of the original. Doug Funnie was an insecure teenage boy who has real kid problems which are relatable to other kids his age. Each episode involved him overcoming problems that almost every insecure kid has faced and had to overcome. The Disney version lost that, it was SO needlessly contrived and featured plot points that would NOT happen in real life.
Patty Mayonnaise is the foil for Doug. She’s a smart, talented, athletic, self assured girl. So given this dynamic it was VERY hard to believe that she suddenly had an eating disorder. It was SO out of character for her.
I could go on, but I’m going to stop here.
I wish there was more variety in modern animation instead of just reboots and revivals.
I know this was probably uploaded before the info was known but
Geraldine Laybourne was not the first president of Nickelodeon. Cy Schneider was.
32:07: Before the company transitioned exclusively to evil, Doofenshmertz Inc. made laptops.
I liked Disney's Doug....I actually found it okay, though I really liked the original on Nick too!!
omg Precure and Doug fan Just Like Me
18:16 so it makes perfect sense to me. He comes into this new thing being rich now he reached that area, flaunting it makes too much sense in rogers case because he is doing what he knows.
The Doug Doll was released. I've owned two of them. In fact, my mom has the one my grandma bought to replace my original one.
The Disney version, yes. But not the Nickelodeon version of Doug.
@@OldSchoolLane Oh! Lol. Mine also has two left hands.
@@RealStevenSaturday I know that Doug is left handed. But maybe they went with the SpongeBob approach of having two left hands haha.
The funny thing is that Nick Still owns their Portion of the episodes so basically It's owned by Nick AND Disney XD
Also I know a Doug that hates both versions of this show
A certain Critic.....
Here I am, a 13 year old girl who didnt grow up with Doug.
Being angry about doug.
Edit: whats up losers im 19 now and ive grown up.. disney isnt that bad. My eyes have been opened
many episodes are online
44:33 what was Patti doing in the boys locker room?
Personally, I feel there's no need for a new continuation, even if it is completely under Jim Jenkins. Such a thing probably would have been better in the mid 2000s but in this day and age, I wouldn't risk it.
Disney's Doug and the Rugrats spinoff both had many issues with 90's fans. I myself thought Disney's Doug and All Grown Up were great shows. Yet in AGU Tommy was a jerk like Doug. Tommy said some cruel things to his best friend Chuckie, his brother Dil and even his own mother Didi. In the episode "Rats Race" Tommy insulted Dil and Chuckie so badly he even made Dil cringe. Even in the TV movie "RV Having Fun Yet" (I believe it was called) he insulted his mother. Tommy Pickles and Doug Funnie were leaders and great role models in their original 1991 cartoons, sadly the same thing could not be said in AGU and Disney's Doug. I couldn't believe how much Tommy and Doug changed. Just like how Disney's Doug focused on the side characters the same thing happened with All Grown Up. In the original 1991 cartoons Tommy and Doug were strongly focused on in almost every episode. In Disney's Doug & All Grown Up the spinoffs focused more other main/side characters and less on Tommy and Doug. In All Grown Up and Disney's Doug both Angelica and Roger they both acted more like spoiled rich kids and not antagonists. They both still had their issues yet Roger became nicer to Doug (he was still mean not as he was in the Nick series) and Angelica became a nicer person, they both could still say mean things yet they both cared more about being spoiled and popular. I think adding Guy Graham and Savannah as new villains was strange. Disney's Doug & All Grown Up seemed more like animated pre-teen/teenage drama sitcoms, unlike the original 1991 cartoons that were for all ages. Ren and Stimpy Adult Party Cartoon also was a show that 90's fans also hate. When Nickelodeon first aired those three Nicktoons they were all ground breaking so when Doug went to Disney then became a few months older & his life changed too fast, the Rugrats aged by 9 years & their personalities changed and Ren and Stimpy had a mature adult show that confused their original fans. Rugrats was about a baby's point of view on life, Doug was about an 11-year-old boy's point of view of life and Ren & Stimpy was about a cat and a dog's point of view of life. But their revivals didn't seem as a point of view on anything anymore and fans probably dislike their spinoffs because of that. Planet Sheen also gets hate. So I'm hoping if they bring Rocko's Modern Life, Hey Around and Invader Zim back I hope Nickelodeon makes sure they get the movie done right and not do what happened to All Grown Up and Planet Sheen.
KGJC! Channel Really loved your in depth conversation on Disney's Doug and Rugrats' later seasons. It's nice to see other people's opinions on the same subject. Hopefully the upcoming TV movies does the TV shows justice. Thanks for the comment.
All Grown Up almost seemed like a ripoff of Disney's Doug. I'm wouldn't be surprised because Nickelodeon and Disney started competing with each other around this time. All Grown Up is a cartoon that seemed like it was made by Disney yet it was actually made by Nickelodeon. Both Rugrats and Doug should have shown TV movies showing how they aged by 9 years or just a summer. Doug Funnie and Tommy Pickles were both early 90's cartoon leaders and role models to millions of children. However in AGU and Disney's Doug they we're no longer good examples of what they use to be. In AGU and Disney's Doug many episodes focused on other characters and less of the main protagonists Doug Funnie and Tommy Pickles, Tommy and Doug were not the core of the shows anymore. In AGU some episodes focused much more on Angelica, Chuckie, Phil & Lil, Kimmi, with Tommy only being a side character or just making a cameo (like in Disney Doug) in some episodes. I'm glad Dil Pickles at least had a character development since Rugrats despite that he turned out to be just like his weird & crazy father Stu Pickles.
KGJC! Channel Doug Funnie and Tommy a Pickles were leaders and role models in the original early 90s. Unfortunately, the were both jerks in their new shows Disney Doug and All Grown Up!. Angelica was too busy in AGU trying to impress Savannah and Roger was way too busy fighting Bebe Bluff in Disney's Doug.
KGJC! Channel
Tommy insulted Tommy?
*rocko
I always remembered Doug on Nickelodeon, I didn’t even know Doug was on Disney haha. I pretty much watched nick
LOL
I love when a RUclips doc gets your attention off the first minute alone, about to strap in for this one
I didn't have cable growing up, never saw Nick Doug, grew up with Disney Doug, loved it when I was a kid.
Somewhere around 10 episodes in of Disney’s Doug I lost interest because I didn’t like how Doug was treating Pattie that he would never done that on the nickelodeon series.
To be honest, I would say he was a little obsessed with Patti...
They brought back Animaniacs as a continuation. It really hasn't changed.
I liked nickelodeon's Roger way way better plus he was funny Disney's doug's version 😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴
Doug should have been left alone all together after 1994
"HIS SLEEVES AREN'T THAT LENGTH!"
I have Nickelodeon Doug merchandise. Capri sun trading cards from 1991,Hardee’s kids meals toys from 1994 and kids party invitations from 1995. There isn’t a lot of anything big but they licensed some stuff for sure.
at first I only knew about Doug from Doug's First Movie, which I didn't mind as a kid. After watching both versions of the show however, I do have to say that Disney's Doug is pretty bad and that the Nickelodeon one was better. I thought Doug was pretty unlikable for most of the Disney show and had a shorter temper.
If they ever reboot Doug, they should just make it about Mr. Dink and his grill.
Hearing your thoughts on Disney doug is my reaction to Digimon adventure tri as it not bad but pretty much puts everything back to the season 1 status quo and tries to use the same plot almost like digimon Data squad showing sometimes trying to carry on from something means making it fresh and new as season 2 implied some changes at the end
Disney doug was about growing up and not everything stay the same that how i see how doug was
Plot Twist: what if the Disney series was just one huge part of Doug imagination the entire time?
Just amazed this is talked about for an HOUR!!!
i love nickelodeon Doug
Disney's Doug might not live up to the original series, not like Nickelodeon's Doug was really that good in the first place in my opinion, but I think most of us can agree on one thing. Disney's Doug is a better reboot than Ren and Stimpy: Adult Party Cartoon.
Absoultely.
that trash only got 3 episodes on the air
@@jamesporter571 Adult Party Cartoon actually had 6 episodes. However, only Onward and Upward, Ren Seeks Help, and Fire Dogs 2 made it to air.
‘Doug directs’ reminds me of an Arthur episode from season 7 where the class was putting together a school play commemorating their city’s 100th anniversary. They all had different ideas of how it should be done, especially Buster and the Brain. None of them were working together at all in the beginning, until Muffy gave them a pep talk.
Disney's version as a transition from Nick's reminds me EXACTLY of what happened to Boy Meets World when it went from down-to-earth and real to totally insane and cartoony so Cory is the only thing I can even STAND getting through to the end, mainly because HIS craziness was actually always part of who he WAS, his sense of humor and especially always blowing things out of proportion so everyone had to tell him to calm down and stop overreacting. Literally the SAME goes for Doug, whose character and personality is SO much like him it isn't even funny! They're equally so hard on themselves, they flip out about things the same way, are SO similar with their expressions of insecurity, they have good hearts and want to do right by people, and they want to understand life every bit as much as they want to enjoy it--heck, the first EPISODE of Disney's has him going crazy over how everything is changing so fast literally JUST like Cory when he was graduating from high school! If you mix Skeeter and Roger you get SHAWN too, and if you mix Patti and Beebe you get Topanga! Cory didn't have fantasies until later on, but when he did...the only thing I WISH I could've seen is Doug standing next to a poster of a beet telling Skeeter how there's nothing interesting about him the way Cory did while standing next to a poster of celery:) I MUCH prefer Disney's theme song to Nick's too, I like how cheerful and lively the tune is and the way Doug interacts with the other characters. Nick's version reminds me of Boy Meets World's for the first half of the show while Disney's is like their later two with the lyrics...Doug himself makes me enjoy watching both versions the same:)
[I already know the answer to this] And I could've sworn role models were supposed to be real people with very real flaws, not be perfect all the time, because people in reality know that nobody is like that...nobody is good and nice all the time, they make mistakes and learn from them...when people get the complex characters they say they want they complain that they aren't the perfect role models they want...THEN when they get their perfect-all-the-time-who-never-do-anything-wrong characters they complain about them because they aren't realistic not making mistakes and being jerks sometimes...hmm...can't have it both ways...
Hey Arnold and Doug have many similar episodes like Helga blabs it all and Doug's secret song.Beebee goes broke and Rhonda goes broke, Doug's in the money and Bag o money, and much more.
I grew up watching Disney's version of Doug and I really didn't know that there was a Nick's version of it. After watching both versions, I kind lean towards Nick's version more. While I don't really think Disney's version is bad or awful, I think that it didn't do much compared to Nick's version.
You're 100% correct about the changes to Roger. Making him rich removes any redeeming qualities he might have had, and now he just plain sucks.
Granted, I'm happy for his mom because she at least seems like a genuinely good person, but Roger only became a worse version of himself.
Roger had redeeming qualities?
@@davidlewis5189 He's a poor kid raised by a single mother in a trailer, so that explains why he's got a chip on his shoulder, yet despite all of that, he does love at least one thing: his cat. He even asks Doug to take care of her while he and his mom go on vacation, so even though he picks on Doug a lot, he trusts him more than any of his other friends to be responsible for the one thing he actually loves.
Roger's still a jerk, but the show made it clear that he's mainly a jerk because he's got a lot of sadness in his life that he hasn't worked through.
I read on wiki that Roger and Doug were closer in the disney version? I hadn't seen the disney version in years, I remember it sucking though.
48:26 ... in the Nickelodeon episode with the talent show, Patti performs an original song about/inspired by her mother and she sounds perfectly fine. It's in the background while Doug is fretting over his costume or something backstage before he goes up, but she is clearly audible. :/ MOAR ERROR
I liked Disneys Doug. I think the point of all those changes in the first episode were to show kids that things change over time and that this is part of growing up. There was even an episode where Doug says that the only constant in life is change. The school never being done shows kids that sometimes adults dont have things all figured out, which is what we all learn growing up. It wasn't because they wanted to differentiate the old from the new version...the Honker Burger and the Beets were all animated, so it was definitely an artistic choice. Overall, I liked Disneys Doug, but I do agree that they played it safe too much, such as with the first movie. I wish they would move the character development a big further instead of a random story about a monster that seemed more like a longer version of the show. The outfit changes and the voices didnt bother me at all. It's the heart of the show that matters. I thought the music in the Nick version was the best and the plots were a bit more unpredictable, but I would not say that the Disney version was bad. It was an all round solid show from start to end.
To me what I give Disney Doug credit is making Doug relatable and had understandable moments as with him getting fed up with Patti helping him with sports worked here as it showed him getting tired of not being good at things he wanted to be and was getting fed up Patti trying to offer him help everytime as it a understandable moment we want to learn something on are own but we get fed up with one person trying to mother or force there help onto us despite there good intentions
Main issues: The best parts of original Doug were; Doug's kooky imagination sequences, the music, and Porkchop.
All these things were minimized in the Disney Doug version.
Doug is only 11/12? I thought he was at least 15/16.
I also believe it for a long time, here in Mexico Doug was voiced by a famous voice actor who especiallizes in doing teenagers.
Disney’s Doug reminded me of Rugrats rebooted 1997-2004
My problem is with Disney itself as a corporation. It just seems like they want to buy out every single creative franchise that might pose any semblance of a competition for them. It's as if they're trying to monopolize the world of entertainment as a whole! From Star Wars, too Marvel, to The Muppets, and also Doug, I'm just tired of seeing Disney buying out everything!
Doesn't anybody find that disconcerting? That a single company simply has to write a few checks, and then they own the copyright to every creative franchise that has molded the imaginations of three generations. They even attempted to buy Sailor Moon! Even as a child this made me feel weird. It was more like I thought to myself: Wow. Disney owns that, TOO? WHAT DON'T THEY OWN?
I don't like them as a company anymore. They have a long history of negative behaviors, copyright abuse, misogyny in the workplace dating back to the days of Walt and Roy. What's more even on this very platform of RUclips, they have copyright claimed innocent transformative works, completely ignoring fair use.
It seems like they want to capitalize on the popular franchises they buy, but then deconstruct them to be more "marketable" (in their opinion). Then they expect fanbases to accept this while ridiculing any who dislike the changes, declaring "Everything changes, get over it and quit whining!" But...the reason WHY they bought these intellectual property rights was BECAUSE of the nostalgic elements that made them popular in the first place!
It IS middle finger to the creators, the fans, and even future franchises to come. The clear message they send is: "You like what we tell you to like. Give us your money and shut up."
51:42
Pepper Ann: Am I a joke to you
I hate it when they keep changing characters appearances and art style changes.
could you review moville mysteries please?
The original deal required Jumbo to produce 65 episodes of Doug, which Nickelodeon would air in blocks of 13 per season. After four seasons and 52 episodes of Doug, Nickelodeon declined to order the additional 13, citing the show's expensive budget. The network had a two-year window in which it could reverse the decision. The duo received strong interest from several networks, among them ABC. Each time they received interest, they would notify Nickelodeon in order to speed up ordering the series' fifth season. In 1996, The Walt Disney Company purchased ABC while also purchasing Doug in a multimillion-dollar deal with Jinkins and Campbell. The deal involved buying Jumbo Pictures and "signing them to five-year contracts, with stock options, to be Disney executives." The company also purchased the Doug trademark and its rights to all future merchandising.
Due to the gap in time, it took between the series' run on Nickelodeon and its beginning on ABC, there were several creative changes. Billy West was replaced by Tom McHugh as the voice of Doug, while his role as Roger was taken over by Chris Phillips. Disney could not afford West, as his fame had grown from voicing characters in Ren & Stimpy and other animated properties. Jinkins argues that he worked hard to keep West on the series, claiming that the deal the company offered him was breaking their budget. In 2013, despite not returning to the Disney version, West mentioned that he'd like Nickelodeon to resume production with the original Doug and to return as the role/character.
Many original staff members of Doug regard the Disney run as inferior. Jinkins was less hands-on regarding the production of the show's Disney episodes due to other responsibilities. "I mostly agree with Doug fans who think the original 104 eleven-minute Doug stories made for Nick were the best", Jinkins later said. David Campbell felt the Nickelodeon episodes were "quirkier" and better, while Constance Shulman, Patti Mayonnaise's voice actress, felt voice recording sessions were not the same in the show's newer incarnation: "I missed all the gang crammed in the studio, waiting for their turn for the big group scene. Someone just dimmed the magic a bit."
Wait - but One Saturday Morning didn't debut until 1997, not 1996...(and also the part at 1:02:25 kinda caught me off-guard)
Disney’s Doug first aired on September 7, 1996 and Disney’s 1 aired on September 13, 1997 the show ended on June 26 1999 with Doug's Marriage Madness and 1 Saturday morning ended in 2002 meaning It aired on Disney’s 1 for the majority of it’s life
This Doug wasn’t so bad. Everyone hates it bc of what Disney did to Star Wars
I grew up with both nickelodeon and Disney versions of Doug and I still rewatch both
This is a petty thing to fixate on, but, for me, it's the un-character from the original series, Skunky Beaumont. He was kind of a running gag; referred to, but never shown, save one instance of him waving from off camera, arm visivle in frame. Disney's Doug just decided, nope, he's a full character with an onscreen presence.
Why are there no caption on this video
I'm waiting for Disney to release their complete series of their version of Doug on DVD. Nickelodeon has, so why not Disney? Also, that argument with the first episode and the newcomers is EXTREMELY VALID because Disney's Doug premiered on broadcast television, while the original Doug premiered on cable.
Yeah I think they should release the complete series heck even if it's Disney movie rewards but I would be the only person to buy it.
Disney doesn't even release series sets of Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, Hercules, Tarzan, etc. of their animated series. Sadly I don't think they'd even give doing that with Doug a chance when they don't even do it with their properties that are big names
+Nightman221k the closet Disney tv show releases on DVD were Kim Possible Seasons 1 and 2 & The Weekenders Seasons 1 & 2 (which were very overpriced) Just about every episode of the original DuckTales before the animated movie. Gargoyles Seasons 1 and 2 (apparently the Disney mandated season 3 was never released), Lizzie McGuire "volume 1" (which had the first 21 episodes), Hannah Montana Season 1 (yes. This was a thing), Two separate DVD releases of Gravity falls (the first one having the first six episodes. The second having the next eight.) along with assorted DVD releases of That's so Raven, Suite Life of Zach and Cody and Hannah Montana that each had three or so episodes of their respective series. Also both Disney channel crossovers were also released. When asked why the Disney series aren't on DVD, Disney said it was because season sets cost more to make.
I think it could fit on Disney's upcoming streaming service. Nickelodeon's Doug could be placed on Viacom's streaming service this year. This would make Viacom and Disney rivals in streaming.
That's the problem with Disney. They're not going to release something that they don't feel can boost them financially and marketing wise. They see Doug as a lame duck of a franchise.
has anything changed since the show is now available on Disney Plus
I guess 21:26 was a reference to the Arthur show on PBS.
With the same writers who worked on Doug, and came out that same year, the same month, and the same week.
I’m currently watching Disneys doug and I must complain. There are WAY too many Quail man episodes that literally are the whole episode or take up most of the episodes. It’s like they didn’t have ideas and they just went with the sci fi route. I honestly hate how much quail man episodes took up the show on Disney
Overall the Nick version of Doug was just more relatable and down to earth with much more substance in it's stories. I noticed the same thing when I re-watched and compared shows like Hey Arnold to Recess.
you were very thorough and honestly I really don't enjoy Doug all that much regardless of the era, but for an hour video you used it quite well. haha great work~
Matchingtiesnetwork Thank you so much.
This video could be in 5 seconds. Yes
It would've been nice if the monster in the movie was a neematoad.
Izzy The Gentleman Ooh, that would've been cool.
Izzy The Gentleman That would've worked
Yeah and that would prove mr dink wasn’t a petafile
@@baylordiamond5611 Wait, what do you mean by that?
@@gr8gmr in the first episode mr dink hid in the bushes and took a pick of doug thinking he was a nematode. There was a meme years ago about it being for nefarious purposes
After this review i dislike disney doug never realized they made him as a jerk
Only in the first few episodes. He gets better after a while.
I'd say no honestly. Sure it subverted quite a bit of the charm, but it was close enough to the original. I hesitate to call it too good tho.
I HATED HOW THEY TOOK AWAY CHARACTERS THEME SONGS OMG
LOVE THIS CHANNEL!!!
You laughing hysterically was really funny.
I didn’t think I’d enjoy an hour long review on Doug of all things but I did. Great video 🙂 new sub.
33:35 this episode is iconic, it's one of the ones I remember and liked the most, along with that one
that the twins push the sun away and create a new ice age.
I had to mute the scene where Doug started mocking his mom and Patti because it was facepalm-worthy
Yes.