0:54 Valve actually did far more than double Linux users on Steam because before the Steam Deck, a lot of people already used Proton, which is the reason the Steam Deck can run so much games now. So if we actually compare from the period just before the release of the first version of Proton on Github, Linux users on Steam were not even in the tenth of a percent, which means Valve literally multiplied by 20+ the number of Linux users. It's not an overstatement when we say they revolutionized gaming on Linux.
pre steam deck proton was just an early repurposed version of wine, valve were still testing the waters with whether or not it's actually worth investing dev time and hours into, the success of the steam deck is what made them go balls deep into it, which is great!
@@Butcher-m7y The other way around. The success of Proton is what made them have enough confidence to develop the Deck. Sure, Proton has improved quite a bit since its release, as well, but the big breakthroughs were _necessary_ for launch day already.
@@hundvd_7 not really, they've already released steam machines in the past like the 960M ones and they were a failure even tho u could just install windows on them back then, as u can with the deck, the reason the deck was a success is because of its handheld / portable aspect, as far as translation layers go valve were experimenting with their own version called ToGL, and in the process released 2 iterations iirc of the steam machines even tho the library back then was terrible with only native linux games, so for them its just about experimenting with concepts that try to offer a console like experience on PC, like i said however running steamOS is just their way of getting people into the steam ecosystem because well its steamOS but if they had the same concept in 2012 when the OG steam machines worked (and assuming mobile apu hardware was as good and power efficient back then which it was not) it would've still been a success
@@Butcher-m7y The portable aspect isn't the only reason the handheld worked: sure it helped, but if it had no compatibility layer as developed as it is today to be able to run Windows games on Linux (which represent more than 90% of games out there and 99+% of AAA games) without any noticeable performance drop whatsoever, they wouldn't have nearly as much success, if not simply flop. On top of that, you mention that you could've installed Windows on the Steam Machine, however, let's not forget most people run on the default operating systems and settings, so they are very unlikely to put Windows on it if it's something else preinstalled (same way for laptop and PCs, which is by far the first reason why Windows is the predominant OS in the world on PC) and more importantly, the console would've been very limited because Windows uses much more resources than Linux just to run and isn't nearly as optimizable as Linux (considering Windows is fully proprietary while Linux and most of its applications are open source, which is one of the reason it was picked by Valve).
I have moved over to Linux when Windows and Microsoft became intolerable. Best thing I ever did. :) I'm running Manjaro Gnome and it is quite honestly great! It has honestly drastically improved my productivity work-wise, and these day I actually enjoy using the computer compared to with Windows. I still dual-boot Windows 10 since my HP Reverb G2 (Windows Mixed Reality) isn't fully functional in Linux. Sure, Monado XR can make the headset work in 6dof, but the WMR controllers are unfortunately still a no-go.
@@FanTheDeck I use [distro] btw should be the only legal way to say which one you're running with. every other sentence structure should be outlawed. I use Fedora btw
As a dev. Yes. I want to see more Linux development. It'll open a lot of doors for gaming and for performance on something like the steam deck. Right now we got the learning curve to deal with, but with valve's support, we could go so much further very quickly. Downside is, if the shoe ends up on the other foot and suddenly we need a proton like layer on Windows for Linux development. I hope we never reach that point, we need to desktop space OS's as this monolithic virtual monopoly has to end. Android is one right, but their closed system is just not something I want to deal with.
The steam deck made me familiar enough with Linux that I'm now considering switching to it on pc, and I know there's many people like me that no longer see Linux as a foreign OS used only by specialist and tech enthusiasts.
It convinced me to move my streaming machine and laptop over to PopOS Definitely sticking with linux for the foreseeable future, I like not having my computer break every time it updates
I suppose the old adage is true: a rising tide lifts all ships. Linux being adopted the way it is by Steam Deck can only be a good thing for all Linux distros (not just SteamOS) and PC gaming in general. Also, I'm glad to see the Deck (or in this case, the Ally X) used as a local multiplayer machine! Got myself a handful of Stadia controllers over the course of the last year - they work really well with the Deck over Bluetooth, and they're part of my portable setup that I bring to a local meetup group I help to run in my area. Lastly, screw GameStop for closing GameInformer. The goodbye message that was initially posted to their Twitter was determined to be AI-generated, then the team posted a real goodbye on the same account, which was then subsequently deleted. A 33-year legacy just completely stomped on and buried.
Can I say - it's always a joy to read your comments. They always add quite a bit to the conversation. Gotta agree on all counts. Rising tide is not to be underestimated. I'm very curious to see where Bazzite goes. And yes screw Gamestop. They didn't need to take down the articles and I don't really understand why they did.
@@FanTheDeck Hey man, someone's gotta put in the work and get this comment section talking! 🫡 Been seeing the Bazzite hype across various channels like Retro Game Corps and Wulff Den, and I'm glad to see that people are giving it a fair shot. Windows on PC handhelds isn't necessarily a bad thing, but there's nothing wrong with a good alternative to demonstrate that PC gaming has more than just one good OS to reasonably work from.
I wonder if valve doesn't want to release a general steam os because right now the hardware that needs to be supported is limited making it easier to improve. If they release a general image they may get pressure to support the other handhelds which will take up resources that they know someone else will end up doing
We'll get more Linux native stuff, and developers will get better at it, when that market gets a handful of percentage points bigger. Valve's doing their best to grow Linux, and Microsoft is doing their best to deter people from Windows.
The Steam Deck is my ultimate party machine! I was just playing Halo Co-op natively thanks to a new mod for that. And also played Goat Simulator 3, Double Dash, and Mario Party with someone else. Some of the most fun we've ever had! -It’s not perfect though, like it’s not powerful enough for the likes of 'Party Animals' or 'Goat Simulator 3 4 Player split-screen. this machine still blows me away after all this time. 💜🔥
I just wanted to say rhat I appreciate you putting the names of the games you're showing off in the video. It's such a small thing but most creators don't do it (you're the only one I can think of who does it consistently). Even big channels like LTT don't do so. So I just wanted to show you some appreciation over it.
Sidenote, Personal PC rig switched to Nobara from Windows. Since Nobara is also based on Fedora, I guess you can count that towards the Fedora stats even though Nobara has its own category. Definitely have to give a big thanks to Valve for Proton as it has indirectly made me love my OS again. I do wish my production systems were Linux compatible, but for everything else I've tried, I've so far had no problems 😊
After installing Linux on my main computer it gave me severe disdain towards Proton. Despite what you’ve said, I’ve found Proton to be incredibly INconsistent with its performance. Furthermore, the fact that it’s inspired developers to abandon native ports means there’s times where I can’t play a giant chunk of my library because Proton doesn’t feel like working that day. Most of the issues with native ports you mentioned are a direct result of developers either being lazy and not doing their due diligence, or making bad decisions and using horrible game engines in the case of System Shock. Neither of these are excuses, and I don’t think they should be treated as such. The choice to abandon native ports can and will hurt Linux in the long run, and I wonder if the added accessibility will be worth those long-term problems we’ll inevitably run into.
Do you update proton and try to run the games through steam? Have you tried proton-GE? also proton doesn't works outside steam, that's why Wine-GE is being developed
I am so glad Star Wars Bounty Hunter was not as bad a port as battlefront. Aspyr no doubt have a ways to go before they gain back trust. Also have to say that BenQ projector looked really cool, never really considered gaming on a projector before ngl.
I want to switch to Linux as my main operating system so badly, but I tried a while ago and it was a nightmare. So, I am hesitant to pull the trigger. I am however still optimistic about it. Love the videos man. My favorite Steam Deck news round-up.
If you want to switch, my recommendation is to start from something easy. I'd recommend Fedora, NobaraOS or Linux Mint. Install them in a USB and try them. When you are comfortable enough, install the OS and dual boot. Don't erase Windows yet, since you may need it during the transition.
7:00 yes they should still be making native linux ports, Proton (and ergo WINE) are really just stop-gaps. However, they should be adopting standards like Flatpak or AppImage for deployment of their ports, as they bundle all the necessary binaries together to ensure they are usable if and when the kernel or GCC compilers have feature breaking changes.
I just saw this morning that there's a Humble Bundle for like $30 and it has 12 games, and a bunch of them are actually collections of the game series... Street Fighter 5 and a collection stood out to me, but I really can remember what other ones were on there, but I was seriously impressed by the value... worth going over there and browsing to find it... if I had the money to get it I sure would :) - Deck Gang Out :D
Nice video! Kind of impressive that it's possible to see the amount of people using bazite reflected in the stats haha. Makes me wonder if a lot of people are installing other OS's(Windows?? 😮) on deck and if we could measure that.
I've been using my steam deck as a desktop replacement while trying to live off of solar (just as a small experiment for myself), and while I'm not doing a lot of the heavy lifting I might be doing on my main desktop, I can easily get through most days without even noticing much of an effect. Sure, I'm not maxing out my game settings, and I'm not drawing on huge canvases with dozens of layers, but I'd say for anybody who can work on a laptop, the steam deck is practically that, plus gaming, minus the no-setup portability (and that's just because I really can't work when that 7" screen is sitting on a table, you really need a portable monitor; a traditional laptop is still the gold standard in that regard). Hmm, maybe a conversion dock (with an integral keyboard and screen, kinda what nexdock did for Samsung DeX) could be a cool diy project🤔... or I could stop trying to make a gaming handheld productive, but that's no fun xD
My laptop died this weekend and I've been working with the steamdeck on desktop mode. It has been behaving like a champ! One week using it and nothing has crashed nor slowed down. Linux ROCKS!
That Kickstarter looks incredible. I've been wanting something like that for my steam deck. Id hope it could also be used for switch. That would be pretty awesome.
@@BaFultz1990 Genki's been making banger products these past few years. They did start off making stuff specifically for the Switch users, but once PC handhelds took off, they started to diversify. I use the Shadowcast 2 Pro as my capture card solution for streaming, and having virtually no latency has been a huge plus especially since I play a bunch of rhythm games from time to time.
Always enjoy your videos, the steamdeck is such a bizarre device it has so many classics available but people just want the newest and greatest. I bought the darkness 2 to play on it today!
Good to see Fedora growing in popularity. It's the most stable (as in bug free) bleeding-edge Linux distro. Most components are being updated 1-2 weeks after release, it's almost a rolling release. The Gnome variant offers the cleanest Desktop you will ever find.
The funny thing Is started using fedora during covid for gaming. I like fedora because of the balance between bleeding edge and stability. Also I love amd gfx on Linux how the drivers are baked in the kernel makes everything a lot smoother than using nvidia linux drivers
I'd like to highlight that I've found the most optimal way to run the Forza Horizon games at their best-looking settings, especially with the new updates and Proton Experimental improvements: -Disabled Frame limit, screen set to 60hz, -All settings set to On and/or High, and not higher than that. -Capped in-game at 30. -For Horizon 5 specifically, CryoUtilities is best recommended because the game runs best with an abundance of Swap Memory available due to it's very large scale in comparison to 4, regardless of what you run it on. And Presto. You've got the Xbox Series X "Quality" experience all set up.
@6:05 Valve has great documentation on how to implement cloud save features in a game. The simplest way does not even require any coding, you basically just configure in your Steam developer account the path where the save file is located and that is it! I don't understand how it is possible that even AAA developers that spend years making a game, fail to spend 30 minutes to read the documentation and implement cloud saves properly. Some of them fail to do it properly for cross platform, another common issue is that they set it up to sync the game settings too (the documentation specifically says not to do that!)
Proton makes developers lazy and stick to closed source API's like DirectX rather than using OpenGL or Vulkan, native ports will aalways be the best this is why valve should create its own API tool set for Vulkan that way it would be super easy to have native version of all Vulkan on Linux & Windows, Valve need to become the leaders of Vulkan support as the more devs that still use DirectX then we will always face some kind of issue. but I do think Microsoft should opensource DX9 and older versions at this point.
Lmaooo the Jackbox Party Picker OS crash literally happened to me and I thought the issue was entirely unrelated. I'm so glad Valve made reinstallation so easy, I didn't even lose any data.
I definitely want more native ports, that's not gonna change. Proton is neat, but should still be a last resort, IMO. Supporting native games is still important. This situation shows the utility of having two ways to play (the opposite case could've happened) and the value of not putting all your eggs in one basket. Hopefully the bug in the game gets fixed. Valve themselves once had a bug in Steam that deleted people's home folders, in the pre-Deck days.
Let's hope they don't drop the ball with the communication and shipping, for that Genki thing. Cause that's exactly what they did last year with their Alpine collection. Speaking from personal experience.
I wish Valve would fix the Steam Deck’s driver error that causes it not to sign its HDMI out signal as Full RGB, or add an option to force the Deck to output Limited RGB. This is particularly frustrating since it does send the correct signal signature for 16:10 signals, but not for 16:9. This affects all docks (official and third party) and all external monitors. Only those external displays that are either locked to Full RGB, or can be locked to Full RGB, work correctly with the Deck.
I got the oled soon after it came out, my left joystick is already getting loose, like it works fine as of now but compared to the right joystick it's like half the resistance
In regards to Linux native versions, if developers use SteamOS as model and have it as the main support focus (I. E, avoiding one of the common complaints about the so called "fragmentation"). I'm all for native fully customized/optimized for Deck games than Windows games ran over compatibility layers. Given tough optimization is possible at compiler level for Linux binaries, it would be interesting to see Deck "optimized" games.
I do think that devs should keep building native apps for Linux But try to keep their apps containerized that way it doesn't brick anyone's OSes like crowdstrike likes to. And I don't mind extra work if I have to link some libraries as long as its well documented. Oneshot as an example, but I would honestly prefer that updated version that's on the Nintendo switch with the pseudo-desktop
A Windows game played via Proton still needs the same amount of rigorous testing because API calls don’t always translate properly. The issue with save files stems from the fact that Windows uses 2 characters to indicate that a line has ended in text files, instead of just one character like Mac, Linux, BSD, HaikuOS, Android, iOS and other OSs use. The way Windows does it makes it more compatible with typewriters. They should evolve.
Yeah, I remeber when I still used Windows for working. It was a nightmare to pass my files to the server and I always had to use scripts to reformat all my files. At some point, I could not be bother anymore and just start working always in a Linux partition or VM.
regarding the hardware survey, how does it work if I have multiple devices? I have my main pc with windows but I still use my steam deck with steamOS on it. When I get the survey it's always when I play on my main pc, does it even count I have a steam deck at all? Btw Ingression caught my eye, it reminds me of one of my all time favourites "Celeste"
The SHS is only for whatever you're currently on. I got the pop-up for the survey a few weeks ago on my steam deck, then the next day on my regular PC. It only counted each machine once.
Steam Cloud saves have issues With Graveyard Keeper, I just play it t with Proton on. Endevour and Manjaro are both Arch based Distros, So the total arch share is down a bit. ( Given all the Manjaro SNAFU's , no wonder ) Thanks for the SavePoint shout out, i was looking for a good external SSD enclosure. I'm backing for just the device. Want to chose my own SSD to put in there.
They need to fix the problem of not being able to buy the limited edition version. I know several people that would buy one. If I pay that much I would want the better looking one.
Thats the main reason I would only buy a steam deck for a handheld pc, because its not infected with windows. Plus they are the main pusher for gaming on linux. I know I have good support with valve.
As a Linux user, I'm happy either way, I just want to play the games and don't really care if it is native or proton. Sure I'd prefer native games throughout, but I'm happy with proton too.
Probably my only astrisk to people who are exploring the switch from Windows to Linux is be careful if you're doing that on a laptop. Its not that it wont work, but if your laptop manufacturers are asshats (like HP) who likes to lock down their BIOS so you cant expose proper power states (because they prioritize Windows), you might be left with a situation where suspend doesnt fully suspend and only has s2idle available with no deep sleep. In turn, you're left with a system that turns its screen off, but the fans keep spinning regardless. This means that you will have SEVERELY less battery life than if you had stayed on Windows. I know because its happened to me. I had installed Nobara on this HP Envy Laptop and while it worked very nicely, no matter what I did, I couldnt get my battery drain less. I used to be able to keep the system off charger for more than a week. With Linux, only a day if not less which is ashame. If you're always around power, this obviously wont be a problem, but for this laptop specifically, Windows was the best option....I still remote into a Linux VM remotely though 😂
No you/they are not right about it. First the SteamOS is based on Arch, but this is Arch growth and does not include SteamOS. It started ling before arch-based steamOS/steam deck was a thing. Second also no. Fefora is growing and Bazzite is not in included in these statistics. Fedora growth is more recent than Arch growth but also started long before bazzite existed and Fedora itself is insanely more popular than Bazzite.
What i find confusing is how a linux User space game launcher was not properly permissioned/sandboxed by SteamOS and was allowed access to the system files/overlay in a way that allowed corruption to occur. Partly the developers fault but also Valves. It seems to me they need some tighter controls on what/where a linux game can install and files it can affect. I think we need to pressure both on what actually occurred here. Someone should really try debugging the install to see what it is doing.
I don't know what actually happened but honestly this is my thought exactly. How could the game affect an entire operating system with properly controlled permission layers? Truly bizarre.
@@FanTheDeckseems to me, valve missed a couple of gating opportunities and failsafes in the efforts of creating a fs overlay to allow some persistence for things like decky loader to keep certain configs files/etc over upgrades. This has loosened the immutability and maybe caused this issue. Dunno, but we deserve to know how this happened.
@@rgreening Just got some more info on this and it's less severe than it seems (but still something Valve should address). This comes from someone that has been resolving people's issues on the Steam Deck Discord and he says that it's not breaking the OS. It's breaking the Steam installation which prevents the Steam Deck from booting into Game Mode. This results in just a black screen. So then you have to boot into a safe mode (by holding QAM while powering up) where you can bring up a shell and then going through repair steps. Seems like Valve should have some fallback that boots user straight into Desktop Mode if Steam install is corrupted.
@@FanTheDeck yes, a fallback to desktop or even better, a button combo that says boot to desktop and offer a way to allow user to choose desktop as the default of they want. There are times i use the deck as a PC and every reboot i goes to game mode and then i have to switch. Would be nice to have a boot option or button or something. But yeah, a fall back would have helped immensely here.
I think Proton must be the way to go until Linux market share grows considerably. It runs better than native builds most of the time and developers don't have to waste their time.
After daily driving a Steam Deck ass my Main PC for a few weeks, the steam deck has some glaring issues. 1.) Memory Shortage. I have experienced a few Hard-Locks on select games (GTA-5, Evil West, Battlebit Remastered, and VRChat) 2.) Problems with installing software on Steam OS. If its not a Flatpak, you are typically out of luck if it involves compiling or use of the make command. 3.) Restrictive Nature of Steam OS can, at times, be a problem. Resizing of a page file requires CryoUtils to workaround limitations of Konsole. TLDR, I wish the Steam Deck had AT LEAST 24GB memory possibly 32GB, and I wish Steam OS was a more open OS
Just Use/Target Proton Until Linux makes up around 10% of Player Base because it would be better for both Devs and Linux Gamers once knowing how the Coding works is more Widespread in the Gaming Community.
16:32 Hot damn, warn me before you drop a Time Crisis jump scare like that!!! I'm too much a light gun enthusiast to ignore. That said, TC5 isn't even close to the only example; most modern arcade games, particularly shooters, are all running on a flavor of Embedded Windows XP/7/10 with a generic Intel processor and some flavor of (usually NVIDIA) desktop GPU. And there's a lot more of these kinds of games playable on Linux desktop, and subsequently Steam Deck, than you'd think (Time Crisis 5 is just an example of one that has the most stupidly easy security bypass by just running the game executable directly)--this is something I'm eager about and have been cataloguing for some time so that I could cover it soon on my channel (at some point, I've been really busy with other things lol). For a lot of these games, it's not even that much harder than it is running them natively on a normal Windows PC. EDIT: TC5 is Unreal Engine 3, not 5; it came out in 2015. FWIW, 2018's House of the Dead: Scarlet Dawn runs on UE4, and is pretty damn scalable for a game that normally calls for GTX 1070-levels of performance. Also, play Time Crisis.
Curious. What games are Linux users able to run? I've used Linux for programming but never considered it for gaming. Are first party drivers for GPUs now viable as they were always an issue from my memory.
AMD drivers come with the kernel so the only problem is NVIDIA, Intel and AMD works pretty fine, even some open source drivers have improve like the Realtek network controller. The current problems is the transition from X11 and Xorg to Wayland and the audio server transition too
@@reiniermoreno1653 Thanks, that should get me started as I have a spare system with a RX 6700 XT. Don't know much about Wayland and X11 but I have heard of them so I guess I'll start my Rabbit Hole Journey with those.
@@oswaldjh well they're the graphics server, X11 have been deprecated since long ago and the newest systems comes with Wayland, when i said they were a problem i didn't mean was a user problem, is more a development and compatibility problem, KDE is the more stable and compatible desktop environment with Wayland so you would be kinda fine with Kubuntu or any other distro with KDE, besides Fedora uses Gnome is also pretty solid choice, I'm just warning you there could be some unexpected problems but if you used Linux before you might be aware
I prefer windows benefits to it's downfalls. it doesn't really affect me on my ROG Ally as I am used to PC gaming in windows. and tbh the new armoury crate you don't need to go into windows at all mostly. Plus you can get the steam deck experience just by launching steam in big ppicture mode and it is just as smooth if not smoother.
0:54 Valve actually did far more than double Linux users on Steam because before the Steam Deck, a lot of people already used Proton, which is the reason the Steam Deck can run so much games now.
So if we actually compare from the period just before the release of the first version of Proton on Github, Linux users on Steam were not even in the tenth of a percent, which means Valve literally multiplied by 20+ the number of Linux users.
It's not an overstatement when we say they revolutionized gaming on Linux.
pre steam deck proton was just an early repurposed version of wine, valve were still testing the waters with whether or not it's actually worth investing dev time and hours into, the success of the steam deck is what made them go balls deep into it, which is great!
@@Butcher-m7yI don't think that's completely true and more importantly a lot media began giving linux gaming attention.
@@Butcher-m7y The other way around.
The success of Proton is what made them have enough confidence to develop the Deck.
Sure, Proton has improved quite a bit since its release, as well, but the big breakthroughs were _necessary_ for launch day already.
@@hundvd_7 not really, they've already released steam machines in the past like the 960M ones and they were a failure even tho u could just install windows on them back then, as u can with the deck, the reason the deck was a success is because of its handheld / portable aspect, as far as translation layers go valve were experimenting with their own version called ToGL, and in the process released 2 iterations iirc of the steam machines even tho the library back then was terrible with only native linux games, so for them its just about experimenting with concepts that try to offer a console like experience on PC, like i said however running steamOS is just their way of getting people into the steam ecosystem because well its steamOS but if they had the same concept in 2012 when the OG steam machines worked (and assuming mobile apu hardware was as good and power efficient back then which it was not) it would've still been a success
@@Butcher-m7y The portable aspect isn't the only reason the handheld worked: sure it helped, but if it had no compatibility layer as developed as it is today to be able to run Windows games on Linux (which represent more than 90% of games out there and 99+% of AAA games) without any noticeable performance drop whatsoever, they wouldn't have nearly as much success, if not simply flop.
On top of that, you mention that you could've installed Windows on the Steam Machine, however, let's not forget most people run on the default operating systems and settings, so they are very unlikely to put Windows on it if it's something else preinstalled (same way for laptop and PCs, which is by far the first reason why Windows is the predominant OS in the world on PC) and more importantly, the console would've been very limited because Windows uses much more resources than Linux just to run and isn't nearly as optimizable as Linux (considering Windows is fully proprietary while Linux and most of its applications are open source, which is one of the reason it was picked by Valve).
Deck gang in the house 🦾🦾🦾
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Deck Gang Gang 🎮
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800P 15 WATT WARRIORS 😂😂😂 deck is underpowered.
I'm a complete Deckhead and proud of it. 😂
I have moved over to Linux when Windows and Microsoft became intolerable. Best thing I ever did. :) I'm running Manjaro Gnome and it is quite honestly great! It has honestly drastically improved my productivity work-wise, and these day I actually enjoy using the computer compared to with Windows. I still dual-boot Windows 10 since my HP Reverb G2 (Windows Mixed Reality) isn't fully functional in Linux. Sure, Monado XR can make the headset work in 6dof, but the WMR controllers are unfortunately still a no-go.
I've been using Ubuntu on my laptop lately. It's good!
Why u enjoying more? Honest question. I been asking since Unix Vs Dos. Why?
@@FanTheDeck I use [distro] btw
should be the only legal way to say which one you're running with. every other sentence structure should be outlawed.
I use Fedora btw
As a dev. Yes. I want to see more Linux development. It'll open a lot of doors for gaming and for performance on something like the steam deck. Right now we got the learning curve to deal with, but with valve's support, we could go so much further very quickly. Downside is, if the shoe ends up on the other foot and suddenly we need a proton like layer on Windows for Linux development. I hope we never reach that point, we need to desktop space OS's as this monolithic virtual monopoly has to end. Android is one right, but their closed system is just not something I want to deal with.
I feel catfished by King being on the front cover of the Steamdeck in the thumb nail
Dude, same. I really thought there was going to be some Tekken news. This is wack. The video was good and all, but I did get catfished.
Same.
The steam deck made me familiar enough with Linux that I'm now considering switching to it on pc, and I know there's many people like me that no longer see Linux as a foreign OS used only by specialist and tech enthusiasts.
It convinced me to move my streaming machine and laptop over to PopOS
Definitely sticking with linux for the foreseeable future, I like not having my computer break every time it updates
I don't even own a Steam Deck but I still love watching your videos.
I suppose the old adage is true: a rising tide lifts all ships. Linux being adopted the way it is by Steam Deck can only be a good thing for all Linux distros (not just SteamOS) and PC gaming in general.
Also, I'm glad to see the Deck (or in this case, the Ally X) used as a local multiplayer machine! Got myself a handful of Stadia controllers over the course of the last year - they work really well with the Deck over Bluetooth, and they're part of my portable setup that I bring to a local meetup group I help to run in my area.
Lastly, screw GameStop for closing GameInformer. The goodbye message that was initially posted to their Twitter was determined to be AI-generated, then the team posted a real goodbye on the same account, which was then subsequently deleted. A 33-year legacy just completely stomped on and buried.
Can I say - it's always a joy to read your comments. They always add quite a bit to the conversation. Gotta agree on all counts. Rising tide is not to be underestimated. I'm very curious to see where Bazzite goes. And yes screw Gamestop. They didn't need to take down the articles and I don't really understand why they did.
@@FanTheDeck Hey man, someone's gotta put in the work and get this comment section talking! 🫡
Been seeing the Bazzite hype across various channels like Retro Game Corps and Wulff Den, and I'm glad to see that people are giving it a fair shot. Windows on PC handhelds isn't necessarily a bad thing, but there's nothing wrong with a good alternative to demonstrate that PC gaming has more than just one good OS to reasonably work from.
Just woke up to this before getting ready for work. N it's all i need honestly thx dawg!
Happy to help kiwiz!
I wonder if valve doesn't want to release a general steam os because right now the hardware that needs to be supported is limited making it easier to improve. If they release a general image they may get pressure to support the other handhelds which will take up resources that they know someone else will end up doing
We'll get more Linux native stuff, and developers will get better at it, when that market gets a handful of percentage points bigger. Valve's doing their best to grow Linux, and Microsoft is doing their best to deter people from Windows.
The Steam Deck is my ultimate party machine! I was just playing Halo Co-op natively thanks to a new mod for that. And also played Goat Simulator 3, Double Dash, and Mario Party with someone else. Some of the most fun we've ever had! -It’s not perfect though, like it’s not powerful enough for the likes of 'Party Animals' or 'Goat Simulator 3 4 Player split-screen.
this machine still blows me away after all this time. 💜🔥
I just wanted to say rhat I appreciate you putting the names of the games you're showing off in the video. It's such a small thing but most creators don't do it (you're the only one I can think of who does it consistently). Even big channels like LTT don't do so. So I just wanted to show you some appreciation over it.
Sidenote,
Personal PC rig switched to Nobara from Windows. Since Nobara is also based on Fedora, I guess you can count that towards the Fedora stats even though Nobara has its own category.
Definitely have to give a big thanks to Valve for Proton as it has indirectly made me love my OS again. I do wish my production systems were Linux compatible, but for everything else I've tried, I've so far had no problems 😊
We loved having you over. Stop by any time!
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After installing Linux on my main computer it gave me severe disdain towards Proton. Despite what you’ve said, I’ve found Proton to be incredibly INconsistent with its performance. Furthermore, the fact that it’s inspired developers to abandon native ports means there’s times where I can’t play a giant chunk of my library because Proton doesn’t feel like working that day.
Most of the issues with native ports you mentioned are a direct result of developers either being lazy and not doing their due diligence, or making bad decisions and using horrible game engines in the case of System Shock. Neither of these are excuses, and I don’t think they should be treated as such. The choice to abandon native ports can and will hurt Linux in the long run, and I wonder if the added accessibility will be worth those long-term problems we’ll inevitably run into.
Do you update proton and try to run the games through steam? Have you tried proton-GE? also proton doesn't works outside steam, that's why Wine-GE is being developed
@@reiniermoreno1653Tried all of that. The software just hates life. I still vastly prefer native builds seeing as they actually work with consistency.
@@scottcaramel hmmm that's weird but is consistent with proton not being tested for every game,
Why is there an image of King in the thumbnail? I clicked on the video expecting some Deckken news.
Same here brother
Jackbox basically Cloudstriked Steam Deck. Without Kernel level access. Impressive!
I am so glad Star Wars Bounty Hunter was not as bad a port as battlefront.
Aspyr no doubt have a ways to go before they gain back trust.
Also have to say that BenQ projector looked really cool, never really considered gaming on a projector before ngl.
What's also weird is that Aspyr made the TR I-III Remastered title as well. Guess they can be quite hit and miss 🫠
Aspyr hired the developer of openlara, so that is why. They had a person that wanted it to succeed and had lots of experience
@@SuperNunix Indeed. I just don't understand why they can't ALWAYS make decisions that good lol
@@FanTheDeck I was going to mention Tomb Raider Remastered. I was very pleased with the job they did with that one.
Love your Steam Deck videos!
Deck Gang since the beginning and saving up for my OLED model soon
Digging your unique and thoughtful commentary on the deck and gaming as a whole. You even have me wanting and Ally X! 😂 Keep up the dope work 🎉
I love that TIME CRISIS 5 mention! :D Game not been taken seriously enough through the years..
I want to switch to Linux as my main operating system so badly, but I tried a while ago and it was a nightmare. So, I am hesitant to pull the trigger. I am however still optimistic about it. Love the videos man. My favorite Steam Deck news round-up.
If you want to switch, my recommendation is to start from something easy. I'd recommend Fedora, NobaraOS or Linux Mint. Install them in a USB and try them. When you are comfortable enough, install the OS and dual boot. Don't erase Windows yet, since you may need it during the transition.
Just got my oled yesterday, loving it so far
Absolutely love my steam deck, I've had it for a month now and use it every single night before bed
So clutch
7:00 yes they should still be making native linux ports, Proton (and ergo WINE) are really just stop-gaps. However, they should be adopting standards like Flatpak or AppImage for deployment of their ports, as they bundle all the necessary binaries together to ensure they are usable if and when the kernel or GCC compilers have feature breaking changes.
I just saw this morning that there's a Humble Bundle for like $30 and it has 12 games, and a bunch of them are actually collections of the game series... Street Fighter 5 and a collection stood out to me, but I really can remember what other ones were on there, but I was seriously impressed by the value... worth going over there and browsing to find it... if I had the money to get it I sure would :)
- Deck Gang Out :D
Nice video! Kind of impressive that it's possible to see the amount of people using bazite reflected in the stats haha. Makes me wonder if a lot of people are installing other OS's(Windows?? 😮) on deck and if we could measure that.
I've been using my steam deck as a desktop replacement while trying to live off of solar (just as a small experiment for myself), and while I'm not doing a lot of the heavy lifting I might be doing on my main desktop, I can easily get through most days without even noticing much of an effect. Sure, I'm not maxing out my game settings, and I'm not drawing on huge canvases with dozens of layers, but I'd say for anybody who can work on a laptop, the steam deck is practically that, plus gaming, minus the no-setup portability (and that's just because I really can't work when that 7" screen is sitting on a table, you really need a portable monitor; a traditional laptop is still the gold standard in that regard).
Hmm, maybe a conversion dock (with an integral keyboard and screen, kinda what nexdock did for Samsung DeX) could be a cool diy project🤔... or I could stop trying to make a gaming handheld productive, but that's no fun xD
I wanna see that silver plaque behind you already! I hope it comes soon!
My laptop died this weekend and I've been working with the steamdeck on desktop mode. It has been behaving like a champ! One week using it and nothing has crashed nor slowed down.
Linux ROCKS!
That Kickstarter looks incredible. I've been wanting something like that for my steam deck. Id hope it could also be used for switch. That would be pretty awesome.
@@BaFultz1990 Genki's been making banger products these past few years. They did start off making stuff specifically for the Switch users, but once PC handhelds took off, they started to diversify.
I use the Shadowcast 2 Pro as my capture card solution for streaming, and having virtually no latency has been a huge plus especially since I play a bunch of rhythm games from time to time.
Ngl the thumbnail made me think this was about the steamdeck finally being sold in Australia at one our stores called big w
Game informer while many might not have the same experience as I did I will miss it thanks for your video !
Always enjoy your videos, the steamdeck is such a bizarre device it has so many classics available but people just want the newest and greatest. I bought the darkness 2 to play on it today!
I've never played that! How is it?
Good to see Fedora growing in popularity. It's the most stable (as in bug free) bleeding-edge Linux distro. Most components are being updated 1-2 weeks after release, it's almost a rolling release. The Gnome variant offers the cleanest Desktop you will ever find.
The funny thing Is started using fedora during covid for gaming. I like fedora because of the balance between bleeding edge and stability. Also I love amd gfx on Linux how the drivers are baked in the kernel makes everything a lot smoother than using nvidia linux drivers
I'd like to highlight that I've found the most optimal way to run the Forza Horizon games at their best-looking settings, especially with the new updates and Proton Experimental improvements:
-Disabled Frame limit, screen set to 60hz,
-All settings set to On and/or High, and not higher than that.
-Capped in-game at 30.
-For Horizon 5 specifically, CryoUtilities is best recommended because the game runs best with an abundance of Swap Memory available due to it's very large scale in comparison to 4, regardless of what you run it on.
And Presto. You've got the Xbox Series X "Quality" experience all set up.
Pepper Grinder has been on my watch list since Dunkey played it at PAX
@6:05 Valve has great documentation on how to implement cloud save features in a game. The simplest way does not even require any coding, you basically just configure in your Steam developer account the path where the save file is located and that is it!
I don't understand how it is possible that even AAA developers that spend years making a game, fail to spend 30 minutes to read the documentation and implement cloud saves properly. Some of them fail to do it properly for cross platform, another common issue is that they set it up to sync the game settings too (the documentation specifically says not to do that!)
I've always had stability issues with Windows and ever since I switched to Linux I haven't had any issues and I can still play all of my games
I recently got a Benq projector for mobile setups and I love it!
Here I am!! Really looking forward to giving Dudelings a try! Thanks!
Posted the key on that other comment. Lmk if you got it. Thanks!
Yeah!!!! My favourite distro in becoming famous!!
Proton makes developers lazy and stick to closed source API's like DirectX rather than using OpenGL or Vulkan, native ports will aalways be the best this is why valve should create its own API tool set for Vulkan that way it would be super easy to have native version of all Vulkan on Linux & Windows, Valve need to become the leaders of Vulkan support as the more devs that still use DirectX then we will always face some kind of issue. but I do think Microsoft should opensource DX9 and older versions at this point.
Wondering where did you get the inspiration for those thumbnails with characters that pop out of the screen.🤔
Lmaooo the Jackbox Party Picker OS crash literally happened to me and I thought the issue was entirely unrelated. I'm so glad Valve made reinstallation so easy, I didn't even lose any data.
I definitely want more native ports, that's not gonna change. Proton is neat, but should still be a last resort, IMO. Supporting native games is still important. This situation shows the utility of having two ways to play (the opposite case could've happened) and the value of not putting all your eggs in one basket. Hopefully the bug in the game gets fixed. Valve themselves once had a bug in Steam that deleted people's home folders, in the pre-Deck days.
Ya I want that USB c space expansion for real
Right?
Just woke up, and I have an awesome video to start the day? Thanks dude!
Let's hope they don't drop the ball with the communication and shipping, for that Genki thing. Cause that's exactly what they did last year with their Alpine collection. Speaking from personal experience.
I wish Valve would fix the Steam Deck’s driver error that causes it not to sign its HDMI out signal as Full RGB, or add an option to force the Deck to output Limited RGB.
This is particularly frustrating since it does send the correct signal signature for 16:10 signals, but not for 16:9.
This affects all docks (official and third party) and all external monitors. Only those external displays that are either locked to Full RGB, or can be locked to Full RGB, work correctly with the Deck.
@6:55 - at this point, developers should target Proton, but like you said, they MUST still test their games with it.
I got the oled soon after it came out, my left joystick is already getting loose, like it works fine as of now but compared to the right joystick it's like half the resistance
In regards to Linux native versions, if developers use SteamOS as model and have it as the main support focus (I. E, avoiding one of the common complaints about the so called "fragmentation").
I'm all for native fully customized/optimized for Deck games than Windows games ran over compatibility layers. Given tough optimization is possible at compiler level for Linux binaries, it would be interesting to see Deck "optimized" games.
I do think that devs should keep building native apps for Linux
But try to keep their apps containerized that way it doesn't brick anyone's OSes like crowdstrike likes to.
And I don't mind extra work if I have to link some libraries as long as its well documented. Oneshot as an example, but I would honestly prefer that updated version that's on the Nintendo switch with the pseudo-desktop
I'm thinking of making my next dedicated gaming PC build a AMD Linux PC running bazzite until the official SteamOS drops
Dude, you have _gotta_ get more descriptive with these titles. Valve fixes many Steam Deck problems with every release.
A Windows game played via Proton still needs the same amount of rigorous testing because API calls don’t always translate properly.
The issue with save files stems from the fact that Windows uses 2 characters to indicate that a line has ended in text files, instead of just one character like Mac, Linux, BSD, HaikuOS, Android, iOS and other OSs use. The way Windows does it makes it more compatible with typewriters. They should evolve.
Yeah, I remeber when I still used Windows for working. It was a nightmare to pass my files to the server and I always had to use scripts to reformat all my files. At some point, I could not be bother anymore and just start working always in a Linux partition or VM.
regarding the hardware survey, how does it work if I have multiple devices? I have my main pc with windows but I still use my steam deck with steamOS on it. When I get the survey it's always when I play on my main pc, does it even count I have a steam deck at all?
Btw Ingression caught my eye, it reminds me of one of my all time favourites "Celeste"
The SHS is only for whatever you're currently on. I got the pop-up for the survey a few weeks ago on my steam deck, then the next day on my regular PC. It only counted each machine once.
Steam Cloud saves have issues With Graveyard Keeper, I just play it t with Proton on.
Endevour and Manjaro are both Arch based Distros, So the total arch share is down a bit. ( Given all the Manjaro SNAFU's , no wonder )
Thanks for the SavePoint shout out, i was looking for a good external SSD enclosure.
I'm backing for just the device. Want to chose my own SSD to put in there.
They need to fix the problem of not being able to buy the limited edition version. I know several people that would buy one. If I pay that much I would want the better looking one.
Thats the main reason I would only buy a steam deck for a handheld pc, because its not infected with windows. Plus they are the main pusher for gaming on linux. I know I have good support with valve.
Like always , great video !
Free keys. You can do that. Nice. Community is strong here. ❤🎉❤
7:34 my thought exactly i need one
As a Linux user, I'm happy either way, I just want to play the games and don't really care if it is native or proton. Sure I'd prefer native games throughout, but I'm happy with proton too.
I keep waiting for a meaningful sale on Dave the Diver. Looks like it would be a good play on steam deck.
Probably my only astrisk to people who are exploring the switch from Windows to Linux is be careful if you're doing that on a laptop.
Its not that it wont work, but if your laptop manufacturers are asshats (like HP) who likes to lock down their BIOS so you cant expose proper power states (because they prioritize Windows), you might be left with a situation where suspend doesnt fully suspend and only has s2idle available with no deep sleep. In turn, you're left with a system that turns its screen off, but the fans keep spinning regardless. This means that you will have SEVERELY less battery life than if you had stayed on Windows.
I know because its happened to me. I had installed Nobara on this HP Envy Laptop and while it worked very nicely, no matter what I did, I couldnt get my battery drain less. I used to be able to keep the system off charger for more than a week. With Linux, only a day if not less which is ashame.
If you're always around power, this obviously wont be a problem, but for this laptop specifically, Windows was the best option....I still remote into a Linux VM remotely though 😂
They don't need to support linux, they just need to stop actively blocking it's use
Yes, I think this would be something interesting for me.
Ingression looks very cool 😎!
11:20 the guys have windows 11 on SD OLED. They got the sound through the speakers? That’s interesting.
Great vid as always man!
Thank you Alex!
For Fallout London, Santiago Santiago also has guides on it as well.
Thanks for the news
10:49 holy hell this game looks fire!!!
No you/they are not right about it. First the SteamOS is based on Arch, but this is Arch growth and does not include SteamOS. It started ling before arch-based steamOS/steam deck was a thing. Second also no. Fefora is growing and Bazzite is not in included in these statistics. Fedora growth is more recent than Arch growth but also started long before bazzite existed and Fedora itself is insanely more popular than Bazzite.
People will hate me, but I do like Fedora and Bazzite. I'm not a fanboy, but I do prefer it over the rest. I like how cutting edge it is.
What i find confusing is how a linux User space game launcher was not properly permissioned/sandboxed by SteamOS and was allowed access to the system files/overlay in a way that allowed corruption to occur. Partly the developers fault but also Valves. It seems to me they need some tighter controls on what/where a linux game can install and files it can affect. I think we need to pressure both on what actually occurred here. Someone should really try debugging the install to see what it is doing.
I don't know what actually happened but honestly this is my thought exactly. How could the game affect an entire operating system with properly controlled permission layers? Truly bizarre.
@@FanTheDeckseems to me, valve missed a couple of gating opportunities and failsafes in the efforts of creating a fs overlay to allow some persistence for things like decky loader to keep certain configs files/etc over upgrades. This has loosened the immutability and maybe caused this issue. Dunno, but we deserve to know how this happened.
@@rgreening Just got some more info on this and it's less severe than it seems (but still something Valve should address). This comes from someone that has been resolving people's issues on the Steam Deck Discord and he says that it's not breaking the OS. It's breaking the Steam installation which prevents the Steam Deck from booting into Game Mode. This results in just a black screen. So then you have to boot into a safe mode (by holding QAM while powering up) where you can bring up a shell and then going through repair steps. Seems like Valve should have some fallback that boots user straight into Desktop Mode if Steam install is corrupted.
@@FanTheDeck yes, a fallback to desktop or even better, a button combo that says boot to desktop and offer a way to allow user to choose desktop as the default of they want. There are times i use the deck as a PC and every reboot i goes to game mode and then i have to switch. Would be nice to have a boot option or button or something.
But yeah, a fall back would have helped immensely here.
I think Proton must be the way to go until Linux market share grows considerably. It runs better than native builds most of the time and developers don't have to waste their time.
This why steam used sea bird 🐦 penguin 🐧 after they're feathered dinosaurs 🦕
Damn i was hoping there was news on tekken 8 being optimized on the steam deck cus of the thumbnail 😔
Fan of your work. Def more in depth than the avg. RUclipsr.
After daily driving a Steam Deck ass my Main PC for a few weeks, the steam deck has some glaring issues.
1.) Memory Shortage. I have experienced a few Hard-Locks on select games (GTA-5, Evil West, Battlebit Remastered, and VRChat)
2.) Problems with installing software on Steam OS. If its not a Flatpak, you are typically out of luck if it involves compiling or use of the make command.
3.) Restrictive Nature of Steam OS can, at times, be a problem. Resizing of a page file requires CryoUtils to workaround limitations of Konsole.
TLDR, I wish the Steam Deck had AT LEAST 24GB memory possibly 32GB, and I wish Steam OS was a more open OS
Just Use/Target Proton Until Linux makes up around 10% of Player Base because it would be better for both Devs and Linux Gamers once knowing how the Coding works is more Widespread in the Gaming Community.
16:32 Hot damn, warn me before you drop a Time Crisis jump scare like that!!! I'm too much a light gun enthusiast to ignore.
That said, TC5 isn't even close to the only example; most modern arcade games, particularly shooters, are all running on a flavor of Embedded Windows XP/7/10 with a generic Intel processor and some flavor of (usually NVIDIA) desktop GPU. And there's a lot more of these kinds of games playable on Linux desktop, and subsequently Steam Deck, than you'd think (Time Crisis 5 is just an example of one that has the most stupidly easy security bypass by just running the game executable directly)--this is something I'm eager about and have been cataloguing for some time so that I could cover it soon on my channel (at some point, I've been really busy with other things lol). For a lot of these games, it's not even that much harder than it is running them natively on a normal Windows PC.
EDIT: TC5 is Unreal Engine 3, not 5; it came out in 2015. FWIW, 2018's House of the Dead: Scarlet Dawn runs on UE4, and is pretty damn scalable for a game that normally calls for GTX 1070-levels of performance.
Also, play Time Crisis.
my steam deck bricked itself like 3 days ago when i left it plugged in installing games overnight
nice garuda is not the last at the chart :D
Curious. What games are Linux users able to run?
I've used Linux for programming but never considered it for gaming.
Are first party drivers for GPUs now viable as they were always an issue from my memory.
It has come a very long way compared to what you think.
AMD drivers come with the kernel so the only problem is NVIDIA, Intel and AMD works pretty fine, even some open source drivers have improve like the Realtek network controller. The current problems is the transition from X11 and Xorg to Wayland and the audio server transition too
@@reiniermoreno1653 Thanks, that should get me started as I have a spare system with a RX 6700 XT.
Don't know much about Wayland and X11 but I have heard of them so I guess I'll start my Rabbit Hole Journey with those.
@@oswaldjh well they're the graphics server, X11 have been deprecated since long ago and the newest systems comes with Wayland, when i said they were a problem i didn't mean was a user problem, is more a development and compatibility problem, KDE is the more stable and compatible desktop environment with Wayland so you would be kinda fine with Kubuntu or any other distro with KDE, besides Fedora uses Gnome is also pretty solid choice, I'm just warning you there could be some unexpected problems but if you used Linux before you might be aware
2:35 THIS is the reason I’m getting an ally x, the bazzite dev made it all possible to truly have the best of both worlds
EDIT: rip romhacking
Music is WAY too loud.
Love ur info on steam deck n game do u think game like fortnite n pubg pc will come to steam deck os
We need soundpacks for the UI etc. I can't stand the weird high pitch sound at the end of the sound when you go left/right etc. Going through things
Yeah fresh news!
Another fun week!
I prefer windows benefits to it's downfalls. it doesn't really affect me on my ROG Ally as I am used to PC gaming in windows. and tbh the new armoury crate you don't need to go into windows at all mostly. Plus you can get the steam deck experience just by launching steam in big ppicture mode and it is just as smooth if not smoother.
Is there a way to run Call of Duty Modern Warfar 3 on Linux Steam OS?
I am in love with the Deck hoping GTA 6 is playable
Fedora has grown because Fedora 40 is just that good and stable.