Acorn to Arabella - Journey of a Wooden Boat - Episode 17b: Shaping the keel timber (Part 2)
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2017
- We ended the last video with a teaser of us chainsawing some lead keels. We go into more depth on that and then show how we finished the rough shaping on the wooden keel.
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Hi nice to see you using the adze. The adze that I mentioned in a previous comment was quite small. I was amazed that he took very small amounts off with a relaxed fast motion. He said let the tool do the work for you.
He was really swinging the tool and connecting the work between his feet quite bent over.The timber was old Kauri a member of the pine family. It was exported all over the world from New Zealand in the late 1800's. This timber has a multi layered sheen and depth to it. It is full of oil and amazing to look at. As I said he got it when Auckland Wharves were refurbished in the 1970's. The Māori people of New Zealand used to cut the enormous trees down. Using simple tools they hued war canoes out of them by cutting into the trunk and hollowing it out.
These trees are quite a sight I saw one that escaped the axes of the settlers in The hills above Auckland. Huge bare trunk with an enormous girth. Straight up to the heavens with branches only at the top like a top knot. That's why they are so good for boat building as well as the natural oil that protects it from attack in water etc. Well enjoying the vids a long enjoyable journey ahead of me Cheers
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John, this comment was so fun to read. Thank you for sharing.
Amazing work guys, and the bird's nest in the bandsaw made my day! Alix, Stephen; you guys are the real deal.
Thanks!
The bird that nested in the band saw was a wren. They have a distinctive beak and song. They scold intruders constantly when disturbed.
I would have done 4 times the chainsaw cuts on the keel but I always look for the easiest way to do things.
I have done this procedure countless of times and the more crosscuts, the better.
Nice it's starting to be exciting..! It's very nice to see some shapes of Arabella reveal themeselves...!
We feel the same! The parts are steadily piling up, it will be a great day when we start connecting them!
I'm loving the music as much as the build, keep up the good work guys.
Good to hear, thanks!
Beautiful family of wrens in the bandsaw as I am sure folks have already said. I'm just now bing watching the progress, so I'm a little behind. Love the channel and this projecct.
You just popped up in my feed. I like your style! Looking forward to more videos.
Thanks, there are quite a few more to check out and we load up new ones every other Friday!
Carolina Wrens make for nice company. Congrats on the progress!
Thanks! I was hoping one of my ornithological inclined friends would ID her for us. She would give us quite the scolding for being too close to the band saw. But I did enjoy her company those days working solo in the boat house.
Great stuff. Thanks.
Your axe work is amazing. I am not surprised to hear you have used an axe since your youth. I can never hit the spot I aim for when splitting wood. Looks like you are accurate within millimeters. Amazing!
Haha
Thanks
Got my first ax when I was 12, still have it and use it. Go fell a few hundred trees and split a couple hundred chord of firewood and you too will be able to hit mostly where you aim. I still miss a bit from time to time =)
I admire your dedication
I’m sorry, but am I the only one who noticed Steve’s fly down at 5:30? Awesome series. I’m really enjoying it!
My father was a shipwright (old school) and one day he saw me messing with his adze. He said he’d better teach me about the adze before I cut my foot off. :D
The geometry of your adze is such that the top heel of the handle that nestles in your palm forms a radius with the flat bottom of the blade so that when you stand slightly bowed over on you timber (the keel in your case) and you keep your arm tucked against your body to keep your hand stationary, your tool now forms a circumference the height of which can be adjusted by bending more or less. Try and get it that the bottom of the adze only just skims the timber. This is rather difficult to put into words so I hope I am making it clear.
The finish you can expect from using the adze is almost as good as if you had used a scrub plane, a master could go from the adze to sanding without needing any planing, but don’t beat yourself up over that, it takes years to get there.
When you use your adze like you would a garden hoe you risk breaking your handle which I’m sure you now realize is an integral part of the tool and is very difficult to replace.
An adze is a finishing tool. If you want to bulk remove timber use an axe or a broadaxe.
Check out this video -> ruclips.net/video/EtA6dmSqtzE/видео.html
Thanks for the tips!! Much appreciated!!!!
Hey guys, I can vouch for Dougs tip! I am a shipwright and thats exactly how to use an adze. Overall, well done guys, love your work. If only I was still young enough!
A big job made simple by breaking it down. Good work boys.
Thanks!
POUR THE KEEL! POUR THE KEEL! POUR THE KEEL!
looking forward to seeing more dudes! love watching these vids
All in due time. We also have to get the winters firewood in, pick up all the leaves and get our new boat delivered and set up for the winter. We will pour as soon as we can, unfortunately there are some more time sensitive projects that need doing.
Glad you enjoy them! Thanks!
Hah yea, dont rush anything... Ur buying another boat?
yeah, we found an Atkin cutter from the 1920's, the Dragon is the model. It's very similar to what we are building but is 6 feet shorter. It's in rough shape, the keel timber has some rust spots, some of the frames are cracked and planks are bulging. But, it's completely outfitted in bronze hardware so we will be salvaging as much as we can off of her and breathing a bit of her soul into Arabella.
nice! that sounds like a super find
this weekend i too will be concerning myself with getting enough firewood for the winter!
Nice video
This channel is epic!
Thanks! Glad you are enjoying it!
Taking breaths of that smoke coming off cutting that lead would be a big deal safety concern.
عمل وصناعة الفلك والسفن جيد جدا بلا حدود وهو من زمان سيدنا ونبينا نوح عليه السلام قبل الطوفان
'Have really enjoyed watching your videos. If Dad had of lived longer, he would have loved to work on a project like Arabella. Dad subscribed to the old wooden boat magazine in the 80s and 90s and was a very accomplished Mechanical Engineer and a very good amateur luthier. (Old guy who watched Dad and retained some tribal knowledge) You want your feet spread apart a foot or more and hit the work tangentially between your feet. This greatly enhances the flattening effect [which is why you use an adz].
Sorry to hear about your father!
Thanks for the tip on adze use, I am well versed in using a ax as I have been swinging one since I was knee high to a grasshopper but the adze is a new thing and a new swing.
the trick with fiberglass dust or fiberglass insulation is to rub yourself with in baby powder before you work with it. it feels the pores before the fiberglass can.
That is the trick. Works very well
Brilliant! Wish we had had that tip a while ago! haha
Thanks John, great tip for all of us 🤙
Thanks for that information. I have worked with the fiberglass and resin for years that's the best thing I've ever heard. Thank you
No problem it's a trick we learn when making surfboards back in the day.
Get those college students some safety glasses! Thanks for the cool vids, keep up the good work!
Nice to see you using a wood chisel the correct way: bevel at the bottom.
Just depends on what is being cut, bevel up as it's uses as well =)
It’s wonderful to see young people engaging in something that is really wholesome. Any young people watching, try and avoid the trap that the system is trying to get you bound under slavery. Don’t get me wrong, having a beautiful family is amazing but the traps of buying a house and the slavery that ensues from having to pay off a huge debt for most of your life if you can.
Just stumbled across your ut videos and got hooked.Iv got as far as you getting ready for the lead pour,very interesting.My main reason for commenting is to suggest,if you haven't already thought of it,use the off cuts or offer them to People to turn or carve objects that are part of the boat I think you might even be able to sell them.Best of luck to you in you're endever.
Thanks for the suggestion!
We use the scraps for firewood so we have to go harvest less =)
lead is soft and a lubricant its self so using water as a coolant would work very well
It’s a scrub plane. Pretty efficient 👍🏻
One of my favorite tools and unbelievably under rated!
I can’t believe you work in sandals
At 5:36 your fly is open.
Thanks for noticing ;-)
These guys sure know how to do stuff the hard way.
Is that a compliment or a insult? hahaha
great stuff, please be careful with aerosolizing lead. lead is fine as long as it's not made into a powder (such as cutting with a chainsaw)... no hunchbacks allowed. Keep up the good work, I never thought of cutting lead with a chainsaw, but it makes perfect sense.... I lurnt :)
Yes, we've had a lot of comments on the lead aspect of the build and are building up our arsenal of protective gear for when we tackle that project head on. It is most likely the scariest part of the build and we are taking our time to set ourselves up well in order to minimize the danger. Including a plan, respirators, face shields, gloves, etc. and likely an ER doc or two on site haha. (cutting lead with the chainsaw is pretty wild!)
You're on the wrong coast, but I have all my wilderness first aid certifications so I can't directly help; however doctors are (mostly) quacks and treating yourself is usually better ;-) If you want to see what too many years of slinging lead can do - look at a picture of hot-rod customizer (and totally awesome guy) Bill Hines.
Checked out Bill Hines... Duly noted. We'll do our best to avoid that haha. As for the docs, these guys are legit and not your typical "quacks". Steve has also had much wilderness first aid experience, so we have that going for us as well. All veritable concerns though!
Are you sure that's from Lead? The article I read about him explained that he was born with a spinal issue that plagued him his entire life. (Since well before he had anything to do with lead)
Using and adze is easy; it's subtracting that's hard!
Wow very cool don't no much about the ads my self but very cool looked for one some years aback bet never found one. But Aww the birds that's cool your saw helped some of god's animals have life while you wasnt using or you cut there tree down so they said we'll hell I'll live in your tree cuter lol. Well tree cuter upper you get it. Lol but awesome well on to the next. God bless
another trick with fiberglass is get a yard leaf blower and blow the cut while cutting and direct the FG powder away from you. Use that and the baby powder and it makes grinding FG livable. And the paper suits you wear.
Right on,
Hopefully we never have to deal with the stuff again!
Even though the scrub plane works pretty well semi-sharp, I still suggest putting a nice edge on it. You will conserve a ton of energy and it will make the next step that much easier.
Sharp tools do require less effort! After the slow speed grinder and a second on the stropping wheel you can shave with the iron from the scrub plane although that curved blade might give ya issues! HA!
With how much material it takes off sharpening beyond that point (ie. oil stones by hand) is not really worth the effort. Sharp enough to shave with is sharp enough to use for the scrub plane. I am much more picky with the other planes and chisels.
I hear you - you are also working with green oak, so much softer anyway. I made a large tool rack/shelving unit out of dried red oak and hand planed all of the boards flat. I am a waterstone user and ended up getting very good at getting a super edge on the scrub plane - that and a lot of wax. Keep up the great work!
When using the adze, try using it more like you use your scrub plane; don't strike into the grain but at an angle across it.. I would also suggest you could benefit from a broadaxe for hewing off those blocks between the kerf cuts.....(roll the timber over, so the kerf cuts on on the side, but run vertically, strike with a broad axe from above,...this is how timbers for structures are hewn...)
Dry oak is some tough stuff! Thankfully the keel timber is not rock hard yet. The boards we milled are getting there, by next summer they will be rock hard.
Thanks for the tips! If we come across a broad ax for a good price maybe we will give it a try. There is not too much more of that kind of work though. A lipped ships adze would be a very useful tool to procure. Ours is almost totally flat.
You need a large timber beam circ saw!😍
Wanna buy us one? =) They are terribly expensive!
We actually have one on loan right now to finish cutting the keel to final shape and cutting out the bow and stern assemblies. Big thanks to Simon for loaning us the saw!
Acorn To Arabella been asking around with my contractor friends.... see if they really need it anymore with the ops/jobs they’re doing now? I’ll keep ya posted!!
anyone else find it ironic that you use an adze to subtract?
haha
Been binge watching to get caught up. Love the content, hate the disco beat box music.
Thanks for watching!
An adze works well across the grain and not so much with the grain.
Cheers Warren
Right on, thanks for the tip! Our adze is not lipped, we need to find a lipped one for shaping parts down the road. I have come to understand a lipped adze drastically out performs a straight blade for boat work.
it's helpful to think of an adze as similar to a scrub plane, but "less precise". a lipped adze is not swung in the same manner as a hewing adze. hewing adze is swung somewhat like an axe.....
a lipped adze, for more precision, you cut with the cutting surface more vertically oriented (still cutting across grain) and you brace the butt of the handle at your hip, and use that point like a pivot....you can greatly control the depth of cut this way by leaning in or out with your weight.... Check out some of the old WoodWright shop videos; Roy Underhill was a master with the old timberwork tools!! When I was building a cabin in Alaska, I watched as many of his videos I could get my hands on. (had to borrow them from the library at the time, was before the era of RUclips.... :P )
So it turns out that trees are just a series of tubes, just like the Internets.
She look's like a Cat Bird, or also known as a Mocking Bird. If you notice she mimics other birds calls as she perches above the shop and looks for a mate.
A few others commented and said she was a Wren. Either way she was great company in the boathouse this past summer =)
Bro it's like a metal splinter in your hand, run a magnet over it and it pulls it out, use masking tape sticky side out stick it to exposed skin and pull off it take fiberglass with it, duct tape worked the best we kept 6" wide roll for that purpose when working with fiberglass, we on the other hand did not wear short sleeves or no head gear, take cold shower then hot you should be fine
We did not have much experience with fiberglass before cutting up that boat so it was a learning experience to say the least!
If we ever have to do anything like that again we will go about it a bit differently.
Thanks for the tips!
Worked with fiberglas fibers in the roofing industry for years; after your done for the day, a hot wash or shower using a pair of women's nylons as a washcloth will snag the majority of the fibers from your pores; lather, rinse and repeat 2 times; gets most of it gone!
That hand saw needs a tune up, bad.
would you consider or be able to use a chain saw to make those keel cuts, instead of handsaw and all the adze, chisel and plane work?
We used a chainsaw to cut the kerfs but were too chicken to use it to do any real shaping. It's a huge timber that is not easily replaced and very expensive, chainsaws cut fast and aggressive, not a good combo. I am pretty good with a chainsaw but I doubt I could keep a 90* cut down a 24' timber that is 11" thick so we played it conservatively.
Makes perfect sense. That's one thing about building a boat for most of us amateurs. Usually your "practice round" and "final jeopardy" are one and the same. The next time will be much smoother, but there won't be the opportunity for the next time. So, slow and steady the first time is the right way, since you're learning as you go.
Spot on! The goal is to get it right the first time, slow and steady!
What is the music at 7:00?
The earlier music is Matt Sommers - I Only Need You.
Hi Zach, I get my music off of Epidemic Sound. The song at 7:00 is Yellow Mellow 5 - Joachim Nilsson
The bird is a wren.
We learned that recently. She was very entertaining to have around although I don't think she felt the same about us!
Carolina wren.
I have been wondering if they know that you can actually sharpen an axe. :) That axe always looks so dull.
What's the music?
That was sad for me to watch you cut up that boat. That is an old 60's Alberg designed boat... the very boat that I'm looking for. 😢
Watching them cut up a Triton was painful, wasn't it. But better that it's components be reused, I guess.
Wrens !!
They were very entertaining company!
We hope if we block off their spot in the band saw but give them a similar shaped box to nest in somewhere safer in the boat house they will grace us with their presence again =) The saw won't be a safe place this spring to raise chicks!
Acorn To Arabella bird are chill 😎 they’ll understand 😆
p.s. You should also own a slick for timber shaping.
It's on the purchase list when we have some extra funds. It will be very useful shaping and fitting the bow and stern timbers.
15:50 you have the heart in the keel. This isn't good
Good eye! The keel still needs to be brought down to final thickness and trimmed for final length. Once that is done the pith will be removed.
Where are you located ? Maine
Western Massachusetts
Where's the cannibas ?
i wish the music wasn't so prominent.
I agree.
They say that if you run baby powder or talcum powder all over your arms. It will clog your pores and keep the fiberglass out of the pores.
We have heard that since... wish someone had told us that beforehand haha
Looks easy, you just take big tree trunks and remove the parts that aren't boat...
Too late now but $200 power planer would have saved a lot of time. Knock it down with the power planer and finish by hand
Adze + Steel Cap Boots = Retire with 10 toes.
The bird is a wren
Thanks for letting us know!
RUclips you could not organise a booze up in a brewery @s we say here in the UK ( well that is the very polite version lol)
Piss up in a brewery is our real saying lol
You should eat more!
Why not just use a chain saw then clean it up ?
Too scared of messing up a very expensive and hard to replace timber.
Also a chainsaw does not like to cut with the grain.
I don't have any suggestions cause I've never built a boat. Have worn out several chainsaws and I would have used it a lot more than you did.. I will say up till now you are not afraid of work. You could at times use a little help, so why not put the camera on a t pod and let him help lift and carry some of this stuff unless he's handicapped. You seem to be doing 90% of the manual labor. I'm trying to catch up on the videos so my advice is about 2 years late.
You are an inspiration to the gay community! Well done! You show that a gay couple can do anything that a straight couple can.
We agree with you. When it comes to getting things done, it doesn't matter what sex you are or identify with. However, I don't want to bust your bubble, we aren't a gay couple.
Man you guys are making this really hard, the right tool for the job makes it way easier. I've watched most of your videos and to tell the truth I'm not impressed, the keel timber could've been done in a day. It's like you guys choose to do this harder in places and when you want to make easier you're complicating it
I have mad respect for your knowledge on doing this but how it's done needs work
My boss would say laughing it's like watching a bunch of monkeys fucking footballs
Oh and back in the day all boats were made using green wood, why? Because back in the day boats stayed in the water all the time so being green didn't matter as moisture is control by being in the water
Thanks for the feedback but to tell the truth we are not here to impress anyone, we are not in a race or a hurry, and we are quite happy with how things have turned out.
It's all about the journey, not the fastest most efficient boat build possible.
For example we had lot of fun splitting that pine log and will remember beating that thing into submission every time we trod barefoot on the decks and we would cut the keel timber the same way if we could do it all over again. A lot of people had a lot of fun and felt accomplished helping us saw that thing in two, it was well worth the extra sweat and time.
They used green wood because boats went from tree to boat in months not years so the wood did not have a chance to dry out enough to split or check during construction. It had nothing to do with them being in the water year round. Using only green wood leads to a host of issues but it does work well below the waterline where the wood does stay wet.
I've watched three or four episodes but I still don't understand his beard.
Y'all would be done by now if you sharpend your axes...
Think you got epoxy on your chin
Does anybody eat? lol....Not much meat on them bones
Calories in versus calories out. We eat a ton but we burn even more! No need to diet when you work like we do. Feeding us does get expensive though :-/
On using an adze. My brother has my granddad's.
My old man ran a timber gang for a railroad for decades. He had an instance where they needed to adze a couple miles of timber. The crossties (sleepers in the UK) have a metal plate that sit on them. That needed to be cut down about a quarter inch on each one.
He says this about that job.
I put an older man on that job because it sucks. It's hard ass work.
Unfortunately the advice is this. Put your head down and go to work. That's all.
So. The twenty first century rolls around and they make a power adze. Yes. It's the most dangerous tool ever made. It's a thing that attaches to the end of a chainsaw and does the work of an adze. Poorly.
That is all. Sorry. It is what it is.
That sounds scarier than pouring the lead! Adze work was enjoyable once I got the swing of it. Like ax work a bit of technique and a sharp edge help immensely but no matter what it is slow going with big hard timbers. I could not imagine having to adze miles of tracks!!!
An adze lets you feel the grain. It is true, just put your head down and get to it.
Even at 100 degrees no short sleeves and always head gear or hat, you definitely want to keep as much out of your hair as possible
I love it but why can't RUclips lay it out in chronological order for fuck's sake????????? Why does it have to be listed for somebody who has just found a channel and call it all up after subscribing and found it all totally in any other order than consecutive ????
Yes, you are right. RUclips really should do something about that. Because of this though, we have set up playlists with the videos and they are in chronological order. If you go to our channel page and click on playlists they are right there. Hope that helps!