How powerful is True Shikai Ichigo and what can we learn from his new, anime-only fights as of Part 3? Sorry for the rambling video, but I just wanted to sit down and get this out there - let me know how strong you think Ichigo has become! Thanks everyone!
Yeah the almighty does increase his attack power it increases all of his stats, not to mention he has the ability to change and alter any future any ability that he comes up against he can negate it and also take those powers. It's a singular ability, very very convoluted but broken.. okay so proof of this statement the previous episode when Ichigo fought him he wasn't in the almighty when Ichigo use Getsuga Jujisho, right after you are use the almighty not only did he heal but yeah he was literally overpowering Ichigo so yes his stats does Increase.
@MrTommo2304 well ichibe said that ichigo has become a shinigami that has surpassed that of shinigami. I would say that likely puts him at or slightly above a zero squad member level, which seems more or less consistent with the fights we have been shown so far. Ichigo though has yet to really steel his resolve to kill yhwach. Resolve was one of the first things that ichigo learned from urahara, and it's when we see a resolved ichigo that we see just how powerful ichigo really is.
@MrTommo2304 well ichibe said that ichigo has become a shinigami that has surpassed that of shinigami. I would say that likely puts him at or slightly above a zero squad member level, which seems more or less consistent with the fights we have been shown so far. Ichigo though has yet to really steel his resolve to kill yhwach. Resolve was one of the first things that ichigo learned from urahara, and it's when we see a resolved ichigo that we see just how powerful ichigo really is.
@@SalvadorAngel-h3u maybe if he think plainly but if ichigo actually learned how to use and combine his Quincy powers with everything else.. unless of course Yamamoto has more reishi but what does that even mean when fighting a fully realized Quincy? what i mean is he could siphon Yama's power, level the playing field then as shown / stated with Aizen "battles are just " who has more spiritual pressure" ill put it another way naruto has all these abilities but limits himself to rasengan variations ichigo could do 24 or 12 different combinations of types of getsuga if he only stopped thinking simply plus he's a mini soul king which is a very big deal
I loved your emphasis on Ichigo’s god-like presence in the anime, especially during the Getsuga Juji Sho. It’s incredible how this display transcends ‘cool attack’ status and becomes something awe-inspiring, almost like he’s bridging the divine and human realms. Bleach has always been more than just a fight-centric story...it’s about the evolution of a soul, and these recent episodes capture that essence beautifully
Ichigo was clearly holding back when he fired jujisho against Candice. He even tells her to get out of the way, so he definitely wasn't going for the kill.
@@sahilsinghrautela743 true ywach did call him out for saying stop instead of kill. As if ichigo could stop him without killing him. Thankfully he doesn't have talk no jutsu 🤣
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23:21 anyone notice how getsugajujisho in the background makes the imagery feel kind of like the soul king's eyes, with Ichigo standing in front of it, further pointing to his new powers 🤔
I think the strength of Ichigo's True Shikai was shown pretty well in the anime. He easily defeated not only the Sternritters from the Bambietta group, but even Yhwach without Almighty. And even though he lost to Ishida and Yuha with Almighty, it still doesn't negate the fact that even without using the Horn of Salvation and Bankai, Ichigo is one of the strongest characters in Bleach right now.
It also needs to be said that "Captian Level" is effectively the top 1% easily of power levels in Bleach. Seated officers in general might be technically top 1% in reality Ichigo is literally in the top 1% if not an even more elite percentage of the captian level fighters. There are 5 names in that list at the beginning of the thousand Year Blood war arc.
I'd argue that him losing to Ishida was less of a power feat from Ishida and more because of him holding back in the hopes he could make Ishida come back to his senses.
Besides Yhwach, i think right now True Shikai Ichigo could lose only to Ichibe, damn that Monk is scary af. I hope that they do justice to Ichibe too, and show more of him later on.
For the new scenes, I really want Isshin and Ryuken to have some decent role to play, also it would be great to see isshin and kyoraku having sake together
Death Battle has one or two hits every like, 5 years. And those are only in fights that have extremely obvious outcomes from the get go. They are not to be taken very seriously.
What does that even mean? State level? USA states level? There are 50 different US states with completely different sizes. Are you saying Ichigo can just destroy Texas in its entirety or can he destroy Vermont at his maximum?
I think Ichigo was holding back substantially with his Getsuga Jujusho against the Bambi’s which is why it only took an arm. He also told her to get out of the way so that could be apart of it too!
a nice little detail that I love was the fact that Ichigo used Blut Arterie to overwrite Yhwach's Blut Vene, you can actually see the color difference and add the fact that both Blut can't be used simultaneously.
@rayvonvelez3129 Ichigo's Bankai is supposedly able to manipulate Fate. In both the manga and CFYOW it's hinted that Ichigo shouldn't have won. Ichibe says it was virtually impossible and by no means should Ichigo made it in time to kill Ywhach but thanks to the earliest chapters poem "Give me a blade strong and enough strength to shatter fate" along with this poem being in the manga makes this very likely the case.
Enough to tangle with literal OP gods. Oh and here's a suggestion for future video: what if Tokinada's plan had succeeded? If humans become aware of Spirits? Will there be destructive conflict as Tokinada gleefully predicted or attempts at compromise/coexistence?
I hope we get an extended fight of bankai ichigo vs yhwach later where ichigo is actually overpowering the almighty and really putting yhwach into a corner where he has to result to breaking his bankai instead of the manga version
we definitely will, based in the trend of anime expanding all of ichigo's fights in this arc we will see ichigo vs ywach final battle getting extended.
I think I like the pacing because even though Ichigo is a fighting savant, a prodigy if you will, given his bloodline, he hasn't learned all these techniques because he needed to train more. Remember that other shinigami/Quincy/ needed decades to learn about their abilities which took Ichigo a couple of years to master.. For context, Ichigo gained Shinigami powers from Rukia mid July and lost all of it after battling Aizen going Mugetsu, on December 2nd saying goodbye to Rukia as his powers faded.. The Fullbring arc and end of TYBW spans from the first week of April of the next year and ended on June 19th. So 2 months. Imagine that progress... So let's give Ichigo some slack.
He will, eventually. The main point of bleach is the more you know yourself, the more powerful you become. More specifically with shinigami, and especially ichigo since he’s a fusion of so many things. it’s the whole power structure for shinigami as well. It’s not a matter of how much you train, training is important too, but how well you know your Zamkpaktou. Ichigo spent the whole series not even knowing who his zankpaktou and thought it was someone else (old man zangetsu) until this point in the story. For Quincy techniques, that will come with training and time as well. So only a matter of time! 😎
I think the main reason yhwach didn't steal Ichigos powers with Sankt Altar is because he could not. Ichigo has also Hollow powers, unless Yhwach absorbs the SK he really couldn't do it.
@@pitoseavy4523 it also completely fucked up Quilge's power when he did that so I don't think Yhwach would do it when he can just activate the Almighty
@@pitoseavy4523 Quilge enslaved the reishi and adding it to his own body you know same stuff that makes up everything in HM and SS and was only able to do that since Aion wasn't that much stronger than him Quilge didn't even get hollow powers just strenght buff Ichigo's power is pure reiatsu or spirit energy, quincy absorb reishi and convert it to power so completely different, only way for Ywach is to convert Ichigo's body to reishi and fuse to Ywach but it'll still fck him up and only get strength buff at best no hollow powers and Ywach lose his key to break the SK out + Ichigo is likely too strong for that to work unless Ywach already absorbed SK and calling it headcanon completely disregards Kisuke's hollow pills that made quincy's cough blood and lose the stolen bankai and like the other guy said why bother when you have Almighty
I think Ichigo's initial firing of Getsuga Jujisho had a bit of restraint when it was fired against Candice, maybe in an effort to spare her life, but used it not only as a counter to her Galvano Blast, but also sort of warning her that he could've dealt heftier damage if he'd gone all out, which is implied when he demands that she dodge, but took the hit anyway. With Yhwach Bach, the intention to kill is much more evident because of his resolve to kill the one who was responsible for killing Masaki, because he unleashed a cosmically larger Getsuga Jujisho that overpowered him prior to finally unveiling The Almighty and kicking the absolute shit out of Ichigo before he gets back up and lunges at him again, only to be held back by the sheer might of Yhwach's power and then used to ultimately kill Adnyeus.
31:30 The fact senjumaru's bankai was unable to actually kill any of the royal gaurd was a disappointment. I thought they were going to die and Ywach was going to resurrect them, instead they just tanked it. She was able to completely ensnare them, but it lacked the lethality to actually kill them.
@@kylemma33 it literally can since it prevents death entirely it can literally make it so nobody can die Ywach already died twice from Ichigo and Ichibe how'd you think he got back the bankai was working Ywach almighty just saved their asses and without Uryu they'd be back gett folded by Senju again
Imagine how insane it would be if Zangetsu's sealed state was identical to og Tensa Zangetsu, with a proper release command like "Pierce the Heavens, Zangetsu!" and then finally after all this time, Zangetsu has a proper release just like all other Shikai
Ichigo now truly feels like he’s on the same level as the head captain- with his Shikai genuinely feeling like a Bankai power with a truly awe-inspiring presence that the Shikai didn’t have ever since Ichigo learned Bankai
he will probably get another training arc mark my words, ywach's dialogue of him getting his true powers is still yet to come in play when he said that his riatsu is being visible in his true shikai, he will probably train in his inner world or dangai again instead of running around with orihime and others and getting embarassed by askin.
One thing you're not taking into consideration in regards to Ichigo vs Yamamoto is Yhwach's statement on Bankai stealing. Quincy need to have strength realitive to a shinigami's bankai in order to steal it. The Yourself only had 80% of unawakened Yhwach's strength and couldn't steal Ryujin Jakka, but he was still able to stall for time. That means the real Yhwach could fight bankai Yamamoto to a draw or even win with difficulty. True shikai Ichigo dominating an awakened Yhwach who just used Auswhalen proves he's overall stronger than Yamamoto even if the latter could still one-shot the former. On a side note in the Fullbring arc, Yamamoto sent three captians and two lieutenants to kill Ichigo "just in case".
Yeah! Id like to know how hard Ishida is trying.... Cause he went all out against that shinigami Lady but seemed like he's going out against Ichigo, while Ichigo's just trying to hinder him ...
He was holding back quite a bit, too, while also trying to seem convincing to the Schutzstaffel and Jugram. He didn't try to kill Ichigo and didn't use many of his abilities (Sklaverei, Hirenkyaku, Blut Vene) and the Antithesis, which is his main and most powerful ability, which would completely alter the course of the fight
@@nikoladrca5324 i agree that he was holding back as well cause i mean his goal is to kill the big bad and if he used everything he had it would be a huge loss for his goal cause then he wouldnt have much left besides the anthesis. Uryu is a very calcuating character and i dont think he'd be dumb enough to use his full strength when he has a greater goal i think like you said he used enough to be convincing to the enemies.
Getsuga Jujisho has fought against Candace’s strongest attack, Base Yhwach’s strongest defence, and Uryu’s strongest attack, and although it’s obvious that Jujisho’s power varies between fights as Ichigo doesn’t put in the same effort for each one, it’s 3-0 and is honestly one of the most visibly beautiful and impressive attacks, especially the one against Yhwach. The fact that Shikai Ichigo is on the level of Bankai Yama is genuinely insane, although it makes sense. And he still had Horn of Salvation, Bankai, and those two forms together that he hasn’t used. Getsuga Jujisho is now essentially what Bankai Getsuga Tensho was.
Where was it mentioned that it was uryu's strongest attack ? Or even uryu went all out while using it ? Like hell you never watched bleach or ? Every sternritter most powerful attack are always something related to their schrift. Uryu did not even have a full vollstandig like everyone with sklaverei being like a second vollstandig form so no you are kinda wrong here
The fact that Ichigo absolutely dominates an Yhwach that is already potentially stronger than his version during the first invasion (given how much power he absorbed up to that point) in BASE form is completely insane. I wouldn't be surprised if the anime shows us that with the HoS boost he becomes able to just kind of ignore the Almighty and react to Yhwach even as he teleports around which honestly would make it easier to accept his Bankai being immediately broken
My biggest issue with ichigo's power being showcased is the fact that he didn't have a real battle against any of the elite guards He did encounter askin but oh boy
Yeah the fact that Ichigo didn't have any rivals in TYBW like he had in previous arcs really hurts his showcase ability (Uryu was technically his rival but considering that they're both holding back it's hard to count him). Kubo really should've made Bazz or Haschwalth his rival
@@сахасахович-п2и haschwalt barely made any appearances he might have worked yes Although i'd personally pick gerrard, it'd be fun to see how ichigo would work out such a shrift, and how fair his true shikai can handle gerrard's growth
@@OvercookedOmlette iirc his bankai ability that Yhwach feared so much was shattering fate or something like that so it's possible he could handle Gerard's Miracle with it
@@сахасахович-п2и I'd still keep bankai's reveal for the big battle against sk yhwach But i just hope they replace the askin x Ichigo scene with something else
Ichigo should acquire a version of sklave rai that only taking of reishi from that which is willing so he can have a spirit bimb like attack at the end
I don’t think we can say that Yhwach is the same strength at the end of the first invasion and the start of Cour 3. At this point he has absorbed a bunch of dead Sternritters and soldat so he should be quite a lot stronger than before.
He has much better showings. Fighting against individuals with greater power than in the manga, while also being elevated by things like Senjumaru's bankai, Yhwach's steep power increases etc. It's usually the other characters who gain better showings due to fighting TS Ichigo, but it's clear as day that he is an opponent who forced Yhwach to use the Almighty, while Ichibei's hax are the only other thing comparable and even then, Ichigo is the obvious, stronger individual of the two. His Fullbring Bankai showings were good too. Elevates him further since FB Bankai is basically a Yamamoto/Yhwach level of power already and it's still just a fragment of True Shikai.
"Fighting against individuals with greater power than in the manga, while also being elevated by things like Senjumaru's bankai, Yhwach's steep power increases etc. " you mean by fighting ywach and uryu? i consider uryu fight useless in judging his power tbh as he was holding back against him, TS ichigo's best feat is still beating base ywach.
14:19 a little correction. The version of yhwach ichigo fights is much stronger than the version ichigo fought at the end of the first invasion. This version isn't using the almighty but has absorbed the power and experience of Royd, loyd, driscoll, Jerome, bernice, cang du, BG9, Mask de masculine, As nodt and Gremmy. Every single dead quincy and shinigami as well. That's very clearly a much much more powerful yhwach there. Why do people forget this?? Yamamoto also didn't directly engage Zankt Zwinger, he rushes toward royd who activates the spell but stops after the spell was activated so he'd used ZNT south to destroy the spell formation by destrying the ground from the summoning of the undead. Unlike ichigo who completely destroyed the ultimate quincy spell this time being cast by a real, much more powerful yhwach by actually casually overpowering it. 14:53 the almighty actually does give yhwach an overall power boost. Before activating the almighty, ichigo's attacks could knock yhwach around even when he tried to block them but sfter activating the almighty, ichigo can't even withstand yhwach's raw power and can't even push yhwach back when he blocks ichigo's attacks. There's an obvious stat boost. Even in the recent episode, yhwach simply throws ichigo around with hand gestures and force pushes. 30:03 yamamoto in bankai would have absolutely lost to this version of yhwach. But he would have also in fact lost to the version of yhwach at the end of the first invasion. Royd wasn't capable of using the various spells yhwach used and yhwach would have simply used Zankt altar to take away yamamoto's shikai and bankai if he wanted. The only version of yhwach yamamoto would truly beat is the version he beat 1000 years ago. A version who isn't as experienced because he hasn't even absorbed as many souls as this current yhwach. And the souls absorbed grants yhwach experience, power and skills So no, that's incorrect 31:26 I'm surprised you mentioned the boost of the Auswahlen for Uryuu but not for yhwach as well?? Squad zero members are clearly higher than the old head captain especially since ichigo himself affirms this implication at the beginning of episode 1 of cour 3. Even Senjumaru's zanpakuto ability are the most broken zanpakuto abilities we've seen in bleach after Ichibe's. Yes, more broken than yamamoto's. She can literally weave anything into existence using infinite reishi threads in shikai. This includes yamamoto's shihakusho as well. In bankai, she can weave infinite scenarios into existence using infinite reishi fabric. Including an Auswahlen and even creating hollows, elements etc. She would be able to perfectly recreate yamamoto's bankai and all its abilities. And ichigo is above that. He's leagues above yamamoto. Also in chapter 565, jugram states that yhwach scattered pieces of his soul across the Sereitei during the first invasion and that everyone both quincy and shinigami who've died since then has made yhwach stronger. This would include even yamamoto.
He didn't absorb gremmy tho Also yes the almighty apparently improves his physical abilities and power by quite a lot even though it was never explicitly stated
@@OvercookedOmlette he did absorb gremmy. If you reread the manga, it's stated that yhwach spread his spiritual pressure across the battlefield absorbing every single dead shinigami and quincy. So yes, he did in fact absorb gremmy.
@@OvercookedOmlette I mean technically he did, i cant remember exactly when it is during the TYBW but i recall them explaining that any sternritter that dies has their power returned to Yhwach. Gremmy would fall under this category the same way as the other do.
@@NEONlights-lb8um with the sternritters it’s just a double edged sword. Whether you kill them or Yhwach just decides to use Auswählen, he will reclaim his powers no matter what. Why do people even think he had Haschwalth execute defeated sternritters?! He wanted his borrowed powers back. Yhwach can just bestow a Schrift onto someone else.
@@thealmighty700 it's crazier that yhwach didn't use any hax, he straight out used his hand to tank it further It should have done insane damage to yhwach, considering a weaker version of ichigo one shot yhwach twice
I think after Uryu realized Ichigo's Getsuga Jushisho is stronger than his attack, he used the antithesis ( black and white moment) to invert the iniative between him and Ichigo. That's how he hit him, so fir Ichigo it must have seemed weird, maybe Ishida realized that was the only way. In fact if they were to fight to the end it very hard to know the outcome. Ishida's antithesis is way op, as he could invert all of Ichigo's attacks and even the damaged he took. Also Ishida is very smart and tactical about his battles, and could come up with some strategy to better use his powers than Ichigo. I'm on Ichigo's side thou, because the last time someone killed him, fullhollow Ichigo revived him. 😂
As a long time bleach fan - I think the piece that continues to be a bit confusing is knowing that the Final Getsuga form exists and if he's that much closer to whatever that power level was or if he's surpassed it. I think the obvious comparison at least at this juncture is that Ichigo's Fullbringer Shikai/Bankai form is likely stronger than his OG shikai/bankai form - not entirely sure it's stronger than with the visored mask (my head cannon says perhaps he doesn't need the mask anymore but whatevs lol) - but probably close. Knowing that he needed to be in his bankai form to fight and beat a sternritter to now being in a shikai state and taking on like what 6 or 7? It's a pretty telling sign he's several magnitudes stronger.
I dont know about the Manga, but atleast in the Anime we (as far as i remember lol) we only see Ichigo killing someone ONE time and it was poor shaz domino(please feel free to respond if you remember more then shaz). As Ichigo allways says, he wants to protect everyone, including the ones who wants to kill him.
Important to note is that Ichigo is *intentionally missing* with Getsuga Juujishou. That's why Ishida is so disappointed in their fight: Ichigo's still holding back against him with no intent to kill at all. The same with Candace, who he telegraphs his attack against and then tells to dodge: it's a slow and measured attack on purpose.
I think the new anime fights showcase that Ichigo just in base Shikai is leagues above just about any Soul Reaper or Quincy. He is already showcased being at a stage where it takes godlike ability just to combat him, and he hasn't even gone into Bankai. It makes me hopeful in cour 4 to see what he does against Yhwach in his fight with Orihime as backup. Assuming they don't short out his time in Bankai again like before
6:44 Irazusando 9:10 On a new level against 3 vollständig 13:40 16:20 different Getsuga Tensho 20:00 -> 20:40 Yamamoto 22:05 Ichigo is above basic Yhwach -> 23:40
True Shikai Ichigo demonstrates immense physical power and speed, allowing him to match and even exceed elite Quincy Sternritter in close combat. His speed has always been one of his trademarks, but in this form, he’s noticeably faster and able to pressure even some of the strongest Quincy warriors, also i hope we get more of ichigo bankai action in the future
I doubt we'll get more than the one time he uses it, tybw seems to be built around showing the true power of the bankai and ichigo thus far has shown he can dominate without it or even his hos form, he wasn't trying vs uryu because he would never knowingly or intentionally harm him but he threw eyes closed yhwach around like a ragdoll. There's a reason why yhwach had to use the almighty even with the extra soul king power just to get the advantage vs hos ichigo, without the almighty ichigo would probably beat sk yhwach with just hos.
If uryu had used the Antithesis or any powers related to his, ichigo would get the senjumaru or even the askin treatment. He would be no diff lmao. He was about to use his bankai against an incomplete vollstandig holding back uryu so let's say uryu was above his lvl. True shikai ichigo should be slightly inferior to bankai Yamamoto. The way i see it. Uryu's vollstandig > bankai senjumaru > bankai Yamamoto > true shikai ichigo.
well id say one reason that might put off yhwach from trying to steal ichigo's powers (at this point), is that he'd get affected by the hollow reiatsu, if we assume the bankai stealing medalions were based on this technique in the first place.
I commented the same thing before but im 100% sure ichigo sensed uryus thoghts during that final energy blast. We know ichigo and i think others too can sense feelings when their swords connect. Uryu and Ichigo have a deeper connection, they are not randoms to each other. When their blasts connected i feel like there was some feelings changed. Ichigo then tanks Uryus shot on purpose and "dies". Maybe orihime will heal him or Uryu used his schrift to swap the hole in ichigos chest to something else, healing ichigo.
I have some questions mr Tommo 1) is each member of squad 0 stronger than Yamamoto? (Senjumaru shook 3 worlds with her bankai and said each member could do that while Yama's bankai was only a threat to soul society) if yes, does it mean that each member of squad 0 is stronger than base Yhwach because Yamamoto in bankai is stronger than base Yhwach? 2) if members of squad 0 are not stronger than Yhwach then can Yamamoto Ichibei and Ichigo defeat schutzstaffel in 1v6 fight as they were all defeated by Senjumaru alone?
True senjumaru or each individual is stronger than Bankai especially if you take in the immortal hax . Also considering Yama Bankai could destroy the soul - society unwilling.
Ichigo didn’t go out against the Quincies and wanted to go straight for the root of the problem. These people were so annoying and insufferable, not worth of his time. It’s not like where he thought he’d have to work his way up with the espada Ever since everything but the rain, Yhwach is where his attention would be
@ why?! I mean Ichigo is saving his strength for the big fish. He doesn’t have to go after minions if his true power is already awakened. Otherwise Gotei 13 wouldn’t have anything to do
@@Grayson-Winchester that's true but the same scenario repeats many times ngl, Ichigo comes in, gets beaten and yhwach leaves him for the next battle I'd have made ichigo face yhwach 3 times and have him fight a soul king part
@ Ichigo vs Pernida or Gerard would be a complete and utter drag. Everyone believes that Ichigo is going to put down the big bad while everyone else has his back. I’d like to have Uryu actually join the final battle so that Yhwach is faced with his eventual doom.
Please analyze Ichigo's first fight with Kenpachi! I think there's a lot of depth and variables to interpret how shikai Ichigo at that time was able to fight (and tie) a Kenpachi that was stronger than Tosen and Komamura. Like, how much did Zangetsu influence the outcome compared to Ichigo's fight with Byakuya?
If Sankt Altar works the same way as Bankai stealing then Yhwach wouldn’t be able to use it on Ichigo because of his hollow powers, my head cannon but that’s why I assume he consistently breaks Ichigo’s blade in the source material instead of stealing it. I know Yhwach says he wants to do it to bring Ichigo into despair… nvm I might be capping if Soul King Yhwach didn’t need to absorb the Soul King to absorb Ichigo’s powers like he did at the end of their fight.
Hopefully before Cour 3 is over or if Cour 4 is extended with extra battles, we see Yuhabach use Yamamoto's Bankai since he never used it after stealing it.
i think Uryu wasnt trying much either when eyes werent on him he did try to tell them to leave and stuff. i think he only decided to put enough power out to maim ichigo cause he was watched and under eyes.
So I am curious about some of the logic behind power scaling, in general. So general, in fact, I’m going to use Star Wars as my example. And maybe also the new Deadpool. I’m avoiding Bleach references mostly because I’m so unsure how it should be done for Bleach, I don’t want to even start until I understand better. According to Star Wars lore Yoda is slightly a better swordsman than anybody else (or vastly better). We see in his duel with Siddious that he is winning when it’s just sabers (side note, Siddious only duels with sabers because it’s a big flex to beat Jedi at their own game. When Mace and the others go to arrest him, he easily takes out the first three (the scream noise he makes when he starts with his spiny jump has some brief mental attack to it). However, Mace Windu is canonically always had trouble being purely light side (a problem Anakin also has), so once he was on the council, he got permission to develop his own variant of Saber Form 7, which is the dark side form. He developed the form so he could control his own dark side energy, but this also lets him use an enemy’s dark side power against him. So, while Yoda can beat Mace, and he was very slightly winning against Siddious… Mace was clearly and solidly winning. (Per the story, some think Siddious was letting Mace win, to lure in Anakin. But George Lucas has stated on the record that Mace was legit winning.) Where I’m going with this, is that one way to power-scale would be to say Mace is the strongest, because he was dominating Siddious, while Yoda was only slightly ahead. (In both fights, Siddious ended up doing non-saber stuff to defeat people. Lightning, throwing Senatorial podiums, etc. or, you get a kind of Rock-Paper-Scissors scenario, where each wins a matchup, and each loses a matchup. Another example is the Johnny Storm vs. Pyro fight in Deadpool 3. Johnny is the more powerful mutant… except that he is specifically vulnerable to Pyro’s command of Fire. So my question is: are we ranking everybody against everyone else, or are we considering how does against ?
i never see ichigo worrying about bazz b's burner finger. it's just more like "oh shit, i'm in a rush but these guys surrounded me, yhwach might get away"-type shit
firmly above his former Dangai self, and the likes of Final Getsuga Tensho. his Getsuga Jujishos seem to be on the scale and level of Mugetsu. and that’s him in his base form, and not going all out. you know before, i had some doubt. i wasn't sure which version was stronger. but now, with these additional fight scenes? the difference is clear
His Shikai version is at top tier. Same level as Ichibe, Aizen and Bankai Yama level. Since he was beating Yhwach without almighty. But it's a testament of Yhwach strength too. He just took on Ichibe and Ichigo B2B, that is just insane power and durability
Since it took current uryu with a volstanding to take down ichigo, and since uryu just defeated bankai senjumaru. I'd say true shikai ichigo is god tier with monster aizen and dangai. Not to mention ichigo handled base yhwach faster than ichibei did. True shikai ichigo is alot stronger than we originally thought. Also he flexed off almighty yhwach blut vene.
Remember too when we're comparing him to prime Yamamoto who beat Yhwach back then he must have use bankai. So true shikai Ichigo is on par or even better than prime Yamamoto bankai
True Shikai Ichigo overpowering no-Almighty Yhwach just feels so right and deserved. Almigthy Yhwach is obviously still a problem so I hope Kubo does make some changes in cour 4. Not only do I want to see a proper long fight between full power Horn of Salvation True Bankai Ichigo and Soul King Yhwach, but I think their needs to be a fundemental change to that fight. One thing that I always found bizzare is that Ichigo didn't end up being a direct counter to Yhwach's Almigthy. Normally it's a trope that the protagonist is the answer to the antagonists broken power, but I think it would be fitting in this case. One of the essential Ichigo poems or just themes about his character is: "Give me enough strength to shatter fate." Yet in the end Yhwach was still able to control Ichigo's fate with his Almigthy. It never worked for me. I think this time around once Ichigo goes True Bankai, Yhwach finds out that the Almigthy does not work on Ichigo anymore while in Bankai. And he freaks out and actually has to fight Ichigo properly and gets severly pressed. We know that the Almigthy couldn't see through the actions of Mimihagi because it was a part of the Soul King so it couldn't percieve it intervening. We know that Ichigo is a hybrid of all the races in Bleach, we know he went through special Soul King training with Ichibei and we know from the light novels that Ichigo was considered to be a new SK candiate if needed. So Yhwach wouldn't be able to percieve that Ichigo's Bankai has this ability because the Bankai wouldn't allow that to be seen in all possible futures. Ichigo's Bankai should literally control fate in that way. You can still somehow have Ichigo lose that encounter in the end and then he teams up with Aizen and Uryu arrives and uses the arrow. So that the manga ending just isn't completely changed.
Hmm, I personally don't really like this. Besides making it impossible for Ichigo to lose against Yhwach, as you made it out to be, leaving Uryu out of the battle like that again in the anime feels so wrong and distasteful. Besides being the only Quincy who survived the Auswählen unharmed and who lost his mother to it like Ichigo, his power (the Antithesis) is the only one said to be able to stop and rival the Almighty (said by Yhwach himself). Having Ichigo being able to counter everything himself makes Uryu and the Antithesis, as well as Still Silver, completely pointless.
@nikoladrca5324 Like I said, Ichigo doesn't have to win the 1v1 fight. The team up with Aizen and then Uryu contributing should still happen. But I don't want Ichigo's Bankai to be immediately broken. It's just so anticlimatic that we finally see full power Ichigo and he stands no chance because of the crazy Almigthy hax when his sword just breaks. He should have a resistance to it at least so we can actually see an extended fight. And I would love if Uryu was more involved that just the arrow. Like you mentioned maybe he could use his Schrift against Yhwach.
@@nikjovan4816 In that case, sure, it's nice. I never said that I don't want to see Ichigo's new Bankai, just that it would feel wrong if he defeated Yhwach all by himself. But if only Zangetsu can't be immediatly broken, and Uryu + Aizen fight in a big portion of the final fight, I think that would be perfect! The three of them fighting Yhwach was always my dream, with Ichigo in HoS + Bankai, and Uryu in Sklaverei Vollständig + Antithesis + Still Silver in the end
I agree that the attack should’ve incapacitated Candice, but I think it’s supposed to be a rough parallel to Yamamoto’s shikai power showing against the sternritter. Yamamoto’s casual Shikai strike is supposed to be paralleled by Ichigo despite holding back to abysmal levels by his later power showings can take the arm of a stronger sternritter than two of the three Yamamoto cooked and was going all out whereas they were in base against Yama. Not downplaying Yamamoto just drawing the parallel, I personally think Yamamoto scales over all of the Sternritter and the elite guard as implied by Yhwach and the rest of the cast. Case in point, Shunsui can fight Lille and push him to evolve twice, however is vastly below Yamamoto.
How powerful is True Shikai Ichigo and what can we learn from his new, anime-only fights as of Part 3? Sorry for the rambling video, but I just wanted to sit down and get this out there - let me know how strong you think Ichigo has become! Thanks everyone!
Yeah the almighty does increase his attack power it increases all of his stats, not to mention he has the ability to change and alter any future any ability that he comes up against he can negate it and also take those powers. It's a singular ability, very very convoluted but broken.. okay so proof of this statement the previous episode when Ichigo fought him he wasn't in the almighty when Ichigo use Getsuga Jujisho, right after you are use the almighty not only did he heal but yeah he was literally overpowering Ichigo so yes his stats does Increase.
@MrTommo2304 well ichibe said that ichigo has become a shinigami that has surpassed that of shinigami. I would say that likely puts him at or slightly above a zero squad member level, which seems more or less consistent with the fights we have been shown so far. Ichigo though has yet to really steel his resolve to kill yhwach. Resolve was one of the first things that ichigo learned from urahara, and it's when we see a resolved ichigo that we see just how powerful ichigo really is.
@MrTommo2304 well ichibe said that ichigo has become a shinigami that has surpassed that of shinigami. I would say that likely puts him at or slightly above a zero squad member level, which seems more or less consistent with the fights we have been shown so far. Ichigo though has yet to really steel his resolve to kill yhwach. Resolve was one of the first things that ichigo learned from urahara, and it's when we see a resolved ichigo that we see just how powerful ichigo really is.
@@christheanimeguy6114 slightly above squad 0 ? Lol no.
He is not.
He is not even above bankai Yamamoto lvl.
Yamamoto would beat him high diff.
@@SalvadorAngel-h3u maybe if he think plainly but if ichigo actually learned how to use and combine his Quincy powers with everything else.. unless of course Yamamoto has more reishi but what does that even mean when fighting a fully realized Quincy? what i mean is he could siphon Yama's power, level the playing field then as shown / stated with Aizen "battles are just " who has more spiritual pressure" ill put it another way naruto has all these abilities but limits himself to rasengan variations ichigo could do 24 or 12 different combinations of types of getsuga if he only stopped thinking simply plus he's a mini soul king which is a very big deal
He is strong enough to reboot the TYBW manga for the anime.
Not going to lie Mr. Tommo, you are definitely king of recycling content into different perspectives. Well done.
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You watched the video tho?
@@stevenwayne3701 he praising actually at least that what i thought when read the comment
lol i laugh untill i became weak lol damn you lol
Sorry that title belongs to new world reviews with HxH
I loved your emphasis on Ichigo’s god-like presence in the anime, especially during the Getsuga Juji Sho. It’s incredible how this display transcends ‘cool attack’ status and becomes something awe-inspiring, almost like he’s bridging the divine and human realms. Bleach has always been more than just a fight-centric story...it’s about the evolution of a soul, and these recent episodes capture that essence beautifully
Ichigo was clearly holding back when he fired jujisho against Candice. He even tells her to get out of the way, so he definitely wasn't going for the kill.
He used a weaker Jujisho as an overkill technique to flex and then told Candace to dodge. The disrespect is insane.
I hate that part. I wish he killed her. I don't get why ichigo is showing mercy after all they done, they even enjoyed doing it
@@agentnukaz1715his sword lifts to protect not kill, even against most opponents.
He's quite a pacifist.
@@agentnukaz1715He likes baddies. You can see him smilling at her during her angry outbursts
@@sahilsinghrautela743 true ywach did call him out for saying stop instead of kill. As if ichigo could stop him without killing him. Thankfully he doesn't have talk no jutsu 🤣
I want to say, when I first came across your page I was immediately put off by how lengthy your videos were but I gave it a try and I was captivated by how elegant you break to each video. You have such an amazing way to to elaborate your points down to a t and your editing on your videos are of equal footing.
Thank you!
23:21 anyone notice how getsugajujisho in the background makes the imagery feel kind of like the soul king's eyes, with Ichigo standing in front of it, further pointing to his new powers 🤔
Ichigo is Aizen’s chair level.
No one can stand up to chair sama
No one is chair-sama level
No chair-sama is only weaker than the Soul King
Chair sama is the orignal Throne of the Soul King, thats why it is so strong 🚬🗿
Aizen isn't stronger than Ichigo. Both chair and non Chair aizen.
I think the strength of Ichigo's True Shikai was shown pretty well in the anime. He easily defeated not only the Sternritters from the Bambietta group, but even Yhwach without Almighty. And even though he lost to Ishida and Yuha with Almighty, it still doesn't negate the fact that even without using the Horn of Salvation and Bankai, Ichigo is one of the strongest characters in Bleach right now.
I wouldn't even count that as a loss to uryu, ichigo had no resolve to even fight uryu, let alone kill him.
It also needs to be said that "Captian Level" is effectively the top 1% easily of power levels in Bleach. Seated officers in general might be technically top 1% in reality Ichigo is literally in the top 1% if not an even more elite percentage of the captian level fighters. There are 5 names in that list at the beginning of the thousand Year Blood war arc.
I'd argue that him losing to Ishida was less of a power feat from Ishida and more because of him holding back in the hopes he could make Ishida come back to his senses.
Besides Yhwach, i think right now True Shikai Ichigo could lose only to Ichibe, damn that Monk is scary af. I hope that they do justice to Ichibe too, and show more of him later on.
you must remember that he cannot use HoS on command
my girlfriend started bleach recently, so i gotta get back into my goat MrTommo if i wanna have the knowledge to answer her questions along the way 🤣
Same same 😅😅
Respect 🫡
For the new scenes, I really want Isshin and Ryuken to have some decent role to play, also it would be great to see isshin and kyoraku having sake together
Them delivering that silver arrow was their role. I think Isshin went back to his family and they launched them up there
or seeing Isshin using his Bankai against a Stern Ritter
@@DarthMalgusSith_Lord I hope your right would love to see holy form Ryuuken and Isshin Bankai .
@@AJ-kt5zo i don't think Ryuken has a Vollstandig since he's not part of the Wandenreich
YESSSSSSS YK HOW HYPED UP I AM ON BLEACH AND ICHIGOAT RIGHT NOW? And i got the true shikai shf coming in? A blessed day.
Death Battle tried to say Eos Ichigo was barely state level.
Fools.
That show is trash nowadays. Has been for a while tho tbh.
Death Battle has one or two hits every like, 5 years. And those are only in fights that have extremely obvious outcomes from the get go. They are not to be taken very seriously.
Yeah, they did him and Aizen dirty.
I wouldn't have minded Ichigo losing to Naruto if their scaling and research made sense, but it just didn't.
What does that even mean? State level? USA states level? There are 50 different US states with completely different sizes. Are you saying Ichigo can just destroy Texas in its entirety or can he destroy Vermont at his maximum?
Last time i was this early Ichigo was in Urahara's basement training.
That actually sounds creepy if you read it out loud 😂.
I always love your videos brother. I even listen while I'm working lol. Keep up with the great work. You are my favorite bleach RUclipsr since day 1
I think Ichigo was holding back substantially with his Getsuga Jujusho against the Bambi’s which is why it only took an arm. He also told her to get out of the way so that could be apart of it too!
This. He even tells her to dodge.
a nice little detail that I love was the fact that Ichigo used Blut Arterie to overwrite Yhwach's Blut Vene, you can actually see the color difference and add the fact that both Blut can't be used simultaneously.
Wait when
Honestly i cant wait to see ichigos horn of salvatio form that form is gonna look cool in the anime
i pray to god they animate what ichigo's bankai actually does if they are gonna animate all this extra amazing stuff.
His bankai is unfortunately just big sword go brrrr.
Ichigo's bankai power was hinted at, it starts with a G, ends with O. 😂
@rayvonvelez3129 Ichigo's Bankai is supposedly able to manipulate Fate. In both the manga and CFYOW it's hinted that Ichigo shouldn't have won. Ichibe says it was virtually impossible and by no means should Ichigo made it in time to kill Ywhach but thanks to the earliest chapters poem "Give me a blade strong and enough strength to shatter fate" along with this poem being in the manga makes this very likely the case.
@visored13 bro yes! This is what I've been saying! It decides his fate!
A bigger stronger getsuga
Super excited for another Saturday morning watching Bleach 😊
Mr Tommo: "Uryu has taken an ASTRONOMICAL ass whooping from where we left him in the arrancar arc."
Enough to tangle with literal OP gods. Oh and here's a suggestion for future video: what if Tokinada's plan had succeeded? If humans become aware of Spirits? Will there be destructive conflict as Tokinada gleefully predicted or attempts at compromise/coexistence?
For a ramble it was very well put together
I hope we get an extended fight of bankai ichigo vs yhwach later where ichigo is actually overpowering the almighty and really putting yhwach into a corner where he has to result to breaking his bankai instead of the manga version
we definitely will, based in the trend of anime expanding all of ichigo's fights in this arc we will see ichigo vs ywach final battle getting extended.
Love the videos such great in depth content
Been blessed with a Tommo video today. Thanking God
I can actually imagine uryu saying something like " kurosaki isn't the type who would die from an attack like that"
Been Waiting this one since last episode
0:34 this picture always slaps differently
Great video, I think Ichi Vs Uryu was.. I hope a replacement of the Ichi - Askin from the manga. I think that would be the best way to go.
At this point Ichigo has risen above and beyond the power of Kubo Tite himself.
I saw this in a thread that Uryu's "drones" look like the fletchings as seen in the soul king flashback
I wish ichigo had more abilities than just getsuga tenshou like all the hado quincy techniques ect
I think I like the pacing because even though Ichigo is a fighting savant, a prodigy if you will, given his bloodline, he hasn't learned all these techniques because he needed to train more. Remember that other shinigami/Quincy/ needed decades to learn about their abilities which took Ichigo a couple of years to master..
For context, Ichigo gained Shinigami powers from Rukia mid July and lost all of it after battling Aizen going Mugetsu, on December 2nd saying goodbye to Rukia as his powers faded..
The Fullbring arc and end of TYBW spans from the first week of April of the next year and ended on June 19th. So 2 months.
Imagine that progress... So let's give Ichigo some slack.
He will. Eventually. He's been a shinigami for just 2 years. 2 years... From getting stabbed by Rukia to killing Yhwach.
He will, eventually. The main point of bleach is the more you know yourself, the more powerful you become. More specifically with shinigami, and especially ichigo since he’s a fusion of so many things. it’s the whole power structure for shinigami as well. It’s not a matter of how much you train, training is important too, but how well you know your Zamkpaktou. Ichigo spent the whole series not even knowing who his zankpaktou and thought it was someone else (old man zangetsu) until this point in the story. For Quincy techniques, that will come with training and time as well. So only a matter of time! 😎
I think the main reason yhwach didn't steal Ichigos powers with Sankt Altar is because he could not. Ichigo has also Hollow powers, unless Yhwach absorbs the SK he really couldn't do it.
That's headcanon when Quilge literally can do that with hollow powers
@@pitoseavy4523 it also completely fucked up Quilge's power when he did that so I don't think Yhwach would do it when he can just activate the Almighty
@@pitoseavy4523 Quilge enslaved the reishi and adding it to his own body you know same stuff that makes up everything in HM and SS and was only able to do that since Aion wasn't that much stronger than him Quilge didn't even get hollow powers just strenght buff
Ichigo's power is pure reiatsu or spirit energy, quincy absorb reishi and convert it to power so completely different, only way for Ywach is to convert Ichigo's body to reishi and fuse to Ywach but it'll still fck him up and only get strength buff at best no hollow powers and Ywach lose his key to break the SK out + Ichigo is likely too strong for that to work unless Ywach already absorbed SK
and calling it headcanon completely disregards Kisuke's hollow pills that made quincy's cough blood and lose the stolen bankai
and like the other guy said why bother when you have Almighty
I think Ichigo's initial firing of Getsuga Jujisho had a bit of restraint when it was fired against Candice, maybe in an effort to spare her life, but used it not only as a counter to her Galvano Blast, but also sort of warning her that he could've dealt heftier damage if he'd gone all out, which is implied when he demands that she dodge, but took the hit anyway. With Yhwach Bach, the intention to kill is much more evident because of his resolve to kill the one who was responsible for killing Masaki, because he unleashed a cosmically larger Getsuga Jujisho that overpowered him prior to finally unveiling The Almighty and kicking the absolute shit out of Ichigo before he gets back up and lunges at him again, only to be held back by the sheer might of Yhwach's power and then used to ultimately kill Adnyeus.
31:30 The fact senjumaru's bankai was unable to actually kill any of the royal gaurd was a disappointment. I thought they were going to die and Ywach was going to resurrect them, instead they just tanked it. She was able to completely ensnare them, but it lacked the lethality to actually kill them.
I thought Yhwach *did* resurrect them, using The Almighty.
@@HOLDENPOPE No the almighty isn't capable of reviving the dead.
@@kylemma33 it literally can since it prevents death entirely it can literally make it so nobody can die Ywach already died twice from Ichigo and Ichibe how'd you think he got back
the bankai was working Ywach almighty just saved their asses and without Uryu they'd be back gett folded by Senju again
Imagine how insane it would be if Zangetsu's sealed state was identical to og Tensa Zangetsu, with a proper release command like "Pierce the Heavens, Zangetsu!" and then finally after all this time, Zangetsu has a proper release just like all other Shikai
Ichigo standing in front of his attack could be a callback to him standing in front of the flames when he rescued Rukia.
How? There's no correlation and they don't look remotely alike.
Ichigo now truly feels like he’s on the same level as the head captain- with his Shikai genuinely feeling like a Bankai power with a truly awe-inspiring presence that the Shikai didn’t have ever since Ichigo learned Bankai
Ichigo shikai >>> Yamamoto bankai
People are not going to like hearing that but it's true.
*one arm Yamamoto
I think a cool way they could “improve” Ichigo’s Quincy abilities could maybe be from Ryuken but I don’t know where they would fit it in.
he will probably get another training arc mark my words, ywach's dialogue of him getting his true powers is still yet to come in play when he said that his riatsu is being visible in his true shikai, he will probably train in his inner world or dangai again instead of running around with orihime and others and getting embarassed by askin.
One thing you're not taking into consideration in regards to Ichigo vs Yamamoto is Yhwach's statement on Bankai stealing. Quincy need to have strength realitive to a shinigami's bankai in order to steal it. The Yourself only had 80% of unawakened Yhwach's strength and couldn't steal Ryujin Jakka, but he was still able to stall for time. That means the real Yhwach could fight bankai Yamamoto to a draw or even win with difficulty. True shikai Ichigo dominating an awakened Yhwach who just used Auswhalen proves he's overall stronger than Yamamoto even if the latter could still one-shot the former.
On a side note in the Fullbring arc, Yamamoto sent three captians and two lieutenants to kill Ichigo "just in case".
Yeah! Id like to know how hard Ishida is trying.... Cause he went all out against that shinigami Lady but seemed like he's going out against Ichigo, while Ichigo's just trying to hinder him ...
He was holding back quite a bit, too, while also trying to seem convincing to the Schutzstaffel and Jugram. He didn't try to kill Ichigo and didn't use many of his abilities (Sklaverei, Hirenkyaku, Blut Vene) and the Antithesis, which is his main and most powerful ability, which would completely alter the course of the fight
@@nikoladrca5324 i agree that he was holding back as well cause i mean his goal is to kill the big bad and if he used everything he had it would be a huge loss for his goal cause then he wouldnt have much left besides the anthesis. Uryu is a very calcuating character and i dont think he'd be dumb enough to use his full strength when he has a greater goal i think like you said he used enough to be convincing to the enemies.
@@naruto1539 Nice, glad you agree, and yeah, you're right, losing Ichigo would be a big loss, beside the fact that Ichigo is one of his best friends
I love how Ichigo uses different getsugas and we were blessed with 3 juji shos and I hope to see more
I agree! Hes around the same level as bankai yamamoto.
Getsuga Jujisho has fought against Candace’s strongest attack, Base Yhwach’s strongest defence, and Uryu’s strongest attack, and although it’s obvious that Jujisho’s power varies between fights as Ichigo doesn’t put in the same effort for each one, it’s 3-0 and is honestly one of the most visibly beautiful and impressive attacks, especially the one against Yhwach. The fact that Shikai Ichigo is on the level of Bankai Yama is genuinely insane, although it makes sense. And he still had Horn of Salvation, Bankai, and those two forms together that he hasn’t used. Getsuga Jujisho is now essentially what Bankai Getsuga Tensho was.
Where was it mentioned that it was uryu's strongest attack ? Or even uryu went all out while using it ?
Like hell you never watched bleach or ?
Every sternritter most powerful attack are always something related to their schrift. Uryu did not even have a full vollstandig like everyone with sklaverei being like a second vollstandig form so no you are kinda wrong here
@@SalvadorAngel-h3uExactly! He didn't even use Blut Vene or Hirenkyaku, let alone the Antithesis, which is his main and most powerful ability
Also idiots seem to FORGET that ichigo GETS STRONGER AFTER EVERY BATTLE
The fact that Ichigo absolutely dominates an Yhwach that is already potentially stronger than his version during the first invasion (given how much power he absorbed up to that point) in BASE form is completely insane. I wouldn't be surprised if the anime shows us that with the HoS boost he becomes able to just kind of ignore the Almighty and react to Yhwach even as he teleports around which honestly would make it easier to accept his Bankai being immediately broken
My biggest issue with ichigo's power being showcased is the fact that he didn't have a real battle against any of the elite guards
He did encounter askin but oh boy
Yeah the fact that Ichigo didn't have any rivals in TYBW like he had in previous arcs really hurts his showcase ability (Uryu was technically his rival but considering that they're both holding back it's hard to count him). Kubo really should've made Bazz or Haschwalth his rival
@@сахасахович-п2и haschwalt barely made any appearances he might have worked yes
Although i'd personally pick gerrard, it'd be fun to see how ichigo would work out such a shrift, and how fair his true shikai can handle gerrard's growth
@@OvercookedOmlette iirc his bankai ability that Yhwach feared so much was shattering fate or something like that so it's possible he could handle Gerard's Miracle with it
@@сахасахович-п2и I'd still keep bankai's reveal for the big battle against sk yhwach
But i just hope they replace the askin x Ichigo scene with something else
@@сахасахович-п2и bazz b was already a quincy version of grimjow so having him be a rival for ichigo could have worked .
Ichigo should acquire a version of sklave rai that only taking of reishi from that which is willing so he can have a spirit bimb like attack at the end
Ichigo is definitely now in the same league as Yamamoto, Muken Aizen and Zero Division.
I don’t think we can say that Yhwach is the same strength at the end of the first invasion and the start of Cour 3. At this point he has absorbed a bunch of dead Sternritters and soldat so he should be quite a lot stronger than before.
He has much better showings. Fighting against individuals with greater power than in the manga, while also being elevated by things like Senjumaru's bankai, Yhwach's steep power increases etc.
It's usually the other characters who gain better showings due to fighting TS Ichigo, but it's clear as day that he is an opponent who forced Yhwach to use the Almighty, while Ichibei's hax are the only other thing comparable and even then, Ichigo is the obvious, stronger individual of the two.
His Fullbring Bankai showings were good too. Elevates him further since FB Bankai is basically a Yamamoto/Yhwach level of power already and it's still just a fragment of True Shikai.
"Fighting against individuals with greater power than in the manga, while also being elevated by things like Senjumaru's bankai, Yhwach's steep power increases etc. "
you mean by fighting ywach and uryu? i consider uryu fight useless in judging his power tbh as he was holding back against him, TS ichigo's best feat is still beating base ywach.
Never been this early before 🎉
It's so wild how much stuff has been added, both the manag readers and anime watchers don't know what is going to happen next.
We’re getting absolutely spoiled with new scenes this season and I’m all for it
14:19 a little correction. The version of yhwach ichigo fights is much stronger than the version ichigo fought at the end of the first invasion.
This version isn't using the almighty but has absorbed the power and experience of Royd, loyd, driscoll, Jerome, bernice, cang du, BG9, Mask de masculine, As nodt and Gremmy. Every single dead quincy and shinigami as well. That's very clearly a much much more powerful yhwach there.
Why do people forget this??
Yamamoto also didn't directly engage Zankt Zwinger, he rushes toward royd who activates the spell but stops after the spell was activated so he'd used ZNT south to destroy the spell formation by destrying the ground from the summoning of the undead. Unlike ichigo who completely destroyed the ultimate quincy spell this time being cast by a real, much more powerful yhwach by actually casually overpowering it.
14:53 the almighty actually does give yhwach an overall power boost. Before activating the almighty, ichigo's attacks could knock yhwach around even when he tried to block them but sfter activating the almighty, ichigo can't even withstand yhwach's raw power and can't even push yhwach back when he blocks ichigo's attacks. There's an obvious stat boost. Even in the recent episode, yhwach simply throws ichigo around with hand gestures and force pushes.
30:03 yamamoto in bankai would have absolutely lost to this version of yhwach. But he would have also in fact lost to the version of yhwach at the end of the first invasion. Royd wasn't capable of using the various spells yhwach used and yhwach would have simply used Zankt altar to take away yamamoto's shikai and bankai if he wanted. The only version of yhwach yamamoto would truly beat is the version he beat 1000 years ago. A version who isn't as experienced because he hasn't even absorbed as many souls as this current yhwach. And the souls absorbed grants yhwach experience, power and skills
So no, that's incorrect
31:26 I'm surprised you mentioned the boost of the Auswahlen for Uryuu but not for yhwach as well?? Squad zero members are clearly higher than the old head captain especially since ichigo himself affirms this implication at the beginning of episode 1 of cour 3. Even Senjumaru's zanpakuto ability are the most broken zanpakuto abilities we've seen in bleach after Ichibe's. Yes, more broken than yamamoto's. She can literally weave anything into existence using infinite reishi threads in shikai. This includes yamamoto's shihakusho as well. In bankai, she can weave infinite scenarios into existence using infinite reishi fabric. Including an Auswahlen and even creating hollows, elements etc. She would be able to perfectly recreate yamamoto's bankai and all its abilities. And ichigo is above that. He's leagues above yamamoto.
Also in chapter 565, jugram states that yhwach scattered pieces of his soul across the Sereitei during the first invasion and that everyone both quincy and shinigami who've died since then has made yhwach stronger. This would include even yamamoto.
He didn't absorb gremmy tho
Also yes the almighty apparently improves his physical abilities and power by quite a lot even though it was never explicitly stated
Finally someone said it
@@OvercookedOmlette he did absorb gremmy. If you reread the manga, it's stated that yhwach spread his spiritual pressure across the battlefield absorbing every single dead shinigami and quincy. So yes, he did in fact absorb gremmy.
@@OvercookedOmlette I mean technically he did, i cant remember exactly when it is during the TYBW but i recall them explaining that any sternritter that dies has their power returned to Yhwach. Gremmy would fall under this category the same way as the other do.
@@NEONlights-lb8um with the sternritters it’s just a double edged sword. Whether you kill them or Yhwach just decides to use Auswählen, he will reclaim his powers no matter what.
Why do people even think he had Haschwalth execute defeated sternritters?!
He wanted his borrowed powers back. Yhwach can just bestow a Schrift onto someone else.
Just want to see Gran Rey Cero in all its glory……only to be nullified by some BS hax 😂
I mean it wasn't actually nerfed it was just against Yhwach
Good point Gran ranchero would be amazing, I would love to see the hax of that attack.
@@phantomjoker5362I can't way to see his other attack, Gran Cheddar.
@@thealmighty700 it's crazier that yhwach didn't use any hax, he straight out used his hand to tank it further
It should have done insane damage to yhwach, considering a weaker version of ichigo one shot yhwach twice
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I am really hoping that during Ichigo vs Yhwach final battle the cherry on top during cour 4 would be Ichigo activating his True Bankai.
I think after Uryu realized Ichigo's Getsuga Jushisho is stronger than his attack, he used the antithesis ( black and white moment) to invert the iniative between him and Ichigo. That's how he hit him, so fir Ichigo it must have seemed weird, maybe Ishida realized that was the only way. In fact if they were to fight to the end it very hard to know the outcome. Ishida's antithesis is way op, as he could invert all of Ichigo's attacks and even the damaged he took. Also Ishida is very smart and tactical about his battles, and could come up with some strategy to better use his powers than Ichigo. I'm on Ichigo's side thou, because the last time someone killed him, fullhollow Ichigo revived him. 😂
Would you be willingly to review tv shows too ? Like sons of anarchy and peaky blinders etc
Fuck it, day 1 of asking MrTommo to show his collection of bleach merchandise
As a long time bleach fan - I think the piece that continues to be a bit confusing is knowing that the Final Getsuga form exists and if he's that much closer to whatever that power level was or if he's surpassed it. I think the obvious comparison at least at this juncture is that Ichigo's Fullbringer Shikai/Bankai form is likely stronger than his OG shikai/bankai form - not entirely sure it's stronger than with the visored mask (my head cannon says perhaps he doesn't need the mask anymore but whatevs lol) - but probably close. Knowing that he needed to be in his bankai form to fight and beat a sternritter to now being in a shikai state and taking on like what 6 or 7? It's a pretty telling sign he's several magnitudes stronger.
I dont know about the Manga, but atleast in the Anime we (as far as i remember lol) we only see Ichigo killing someone ONE time and it was poor shaz domino(please feel free to respond if you remember more then shaz).
As Ichigo allways says, he wants to protect everyone, including the ones who wants to kill him.
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Important to note is that Ichigo is *intentionally missing* with Getsuga Juujishou. That's why Ishida is so disappointed in their fight: Ichigo's still holding back against him with no intent to kill at all. The same with Candace, who he telegraphs his attack against and then tells to dodge: it's a slow and measured attack on purpose.
I think the new anime fights showcase that Ichigo just in base Shikai is leagues above just about any Soul Reaper or Quincy. He is already showcased being at a stage where it takes godlike ability just to combat him, and he hasn't even gone into Bankai. It makes me hopeful in cour 4 to see what he does against Yhwach in his fight with Orihime as backup. Assuming they don't short out his time in Bankai again like before
6:44 Irazusando
9:10 On a new level against 3 vollständig
13:40
16:20 different Getsuga Tensho
20:00 -> 20:40 Yamamoto
22:05 Ichigo is above basic Yhwach -> 23:40
Is It Just Me Or Does When Ichigo Uses Jujisho It Looks Like The Soul Kings Eyes Sometimes
True Shikai Ichigo demonstrates immense physical power and speed, allowing him to match and even exceed elite Quincy Sternritter in close combat. His speed has always been one of his trademarks, but in this form, he’s noticeably faster and able to pressure even some of the strongest Quincy warriors, also i hope we get more of ichigo bankai action in the future
I doubt we'll get more than the one time he uses it, tybw seems to be built around showing the true power of the bankai and ichigo thus far has shown he can dominate without it or even his hos form, he wasn't trying vs uryu because he would never knowingly or intentionally harm him but he threw eyes closed yhwach around like a ragdoll.
There's a reason why yhwach had to use the almighty even with the extra soul king power just to get the advantage vs hos ichigo, without the almighty ichigo would probably beat sk yhwach with just hos.
Did you just use AI to write 90% of your comment?
If uryu had used the Antithesis or any powers related to his, ichigo would get the senjumaru or even the askin treatment. He would be no diff lmao.
He was about to use his bankai against an incomplete vollstandig holding back uryu so let's say uryu was above his lvl.
True shikai ichigo should be slightly inferior to bankai Yamamoto.
The way i see it.
Uryu's vollstandig > bankai senjumaru > bankai Yamamoto > true shikai ichigo.
well id say one reason that might put off yhwach from trying to steal ichigo's powers (at this point), is that he'd get affected by the hollow reiatsu, if we assume the bankai stealing medalions were based on this technique in the first place.
Leave it to the power scalers Tommo lol
I commented the same thing before but im 100% sure ichigo sensed uryus thoghts during that final energy blast. We know ichigo and i think others too can sense feelings when their swords connect. Uryu and Ichigo have a deeper connection, they are not randoms to each other. When their blasts connected i feel like there was some feelings changed. Ichigo then tanks Uryus shot on purpose and "dies". Maybe orihime will heal him or Uryu used his schrift to swap the hole in ichigos chest to something else, healing ichigo.
You forgot to highlight his Horn of Salvation power up which is equivalent to him using his hallow mask (Unlocks his hallow powers).
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I have some questions mr Tommo
1) is each member of squad 0 stronger than Yamamoto? (Senjumaru shook 3 worlds with her bankai and said each member could do that while Yama's bankai was only a threat to soul society) if yes, does it mean that each member of squad 0 is stronger than base Yhwach because Yamamoto in bankai is stronger than base Yhwach?
2) if members of squad 0 are not stronger than Yhwach then can Yamamoto Ichibei and Ichigo defeat schutzstaffel in 1v6 fight as they were all defeated by Senjumaru alone?
True senjumaru or each individual is stronger than Bankai especially if you take in the immortal hax . Also considering Yama Bankai could destroy the soul - society unwilling.
At this point, I hope the anime team will just remove the scene Ichigo lost to Askin. It just doesn't make sense even in the manga.
Its base Ichigo
remove ichigo and replace with aizen u will get more developed character.
@@moonl8536 that base ichigo is supposed to be stronger than dangai ichigo lowballed
Couldn't agree more, askin's shrift shouldn't realistically do anything to a transcendent
Askin has his own share of bullshit god powers , can't he turn anyone's blood into poison ? Him oneshotting ichigo doesn't surprise me .
Call them drones if you will, but to me, Uryus' Vol Stern Dich ability turned my mans into a newtype and gave him fin funnels.
Ichigo didn’t go out against the Quincies and wanted to go straight
for the root of the problem.
These people were so annoying and insufferable, not worth of his time.
It’s not like where he thought he’d have to work his way up with the espada
Ever since everything but the rain, Yhwach is where his attention would be
Eh i'd personally rather see him fighting a full power elite guard at least once than 4 separate matches against yhwach
@ why?! I mean Ichigo is saving his strength for the big fish. He doesn’t have to go after minions if his true power is already awakened.
Otherwise Gotei 13 wouldn’t have anything to do
@@Grayson-Winchester that's true but the same scenario repeats many times ngl, Ichigo comes in, gets beaten and yhwach leaves him for the next battle
I'd have made ichigo face yhwach 3 times and have him fight a soul king part
@ Ichigo vs Pernida or Gerard would be a complete and utter drag.
Everyone believes that Ichigo is going to put down the big bad while everyone else has his back.
I’d like to have Uryu actually join the final battle so that Yhwach is faced with his eventual doom.
@@Grayson-Winchester uryu is likely joining them in the final battle, kubo is clearly building up his power with every fight
Basically Ichigo’s base is stronger than base yhwach meaning he’s around bankai Yamamoto level who always needs bankai to fight base yhwach
Please analyze Ichigo's first fight with Kenpachi! I think there's a lot of depth and variables to interpret how shikai Ichigo at that time was able to fight (and tie) a Kenpachi that was stronger than Tosen and Komamura. Like, how much did Zangetsu influence the outcome compared to Ichigo's fight with Byakuya?
If Sankt Altar works the same way as Bankai stealing then Yhwach wouldn’t be able to use it on Ichigo because of his hollow powers, my head cannon but that’s why I assume he consistently breaks Ichigo’s blade in the source material instead of stealing it. I know Yhwach says he wants to do it to bring Ichigo into despair… nvm I might be capping if Soul King Yhwach didn’t need to absorb the Soul King to absorb Ichigo’s powers like he did at the end of their fight.
They should show Ichigo's bankai early against an enemy and really show what it does and how op it is then save the HOS form for yuha
Hopefully before Cour 3 is over or if Cour 4 is extended with extra battles, we see Yuhabach use Yamamoto's Bankai since he never used it after stealing it.
Is he still able too, though? Ywach restored his own name after Ichibei renamed him Black Ant, but I think his medallion lost its power as well.
i think Uryu wasnt trying much either when eyes werent on him he did try to tell them to leave and stuff. i think he only decided to put enough power out to maim ichigo cause he was watched and under eyes.
So I am curious about some of the logic behind power scaling, in general. So general, in fact, I’m going to use Star Wars as my example. And maybe also the new Deadpool. I’m avoiding Bleach references mostly because I’m so unsure how it should be done for Bleach, I don’t want to even start until I understand better.
According to Star Wars lore Yoda is slightly a better swordsman than anybody else (or vastly better). We see in his duel with Siddious that he is winning when it’s just sabers (side note, Siddious only duels with sabers because it’s a big flex to beat Jedi at their own game. When Mace and the others go to arrest him, he easily takes out the first three (the scream noise he makes when he starts with his spiny jump has some brief mental attack to it).
However, Mace Windu is canonically always had trouble being purely light side (a problem Anakin also has), so once he was on the council, he got permission to develop his own variant of Saber Form 7, which is the dark side form. He developed the form so he could control his own dark side energy, but this also lets him use an enemy’s dark side power against him. So, while Yoda can beat Mace, and he was very slightly winning against Siddious… Mace was clearly and solidly winning. (Per the story, some think Siddious was letting Mace win, to lure in Anakin. But George Lucas has stated on the record that Mace was legit winning.)
Where I’m going with this, is that one way to power-scale would be to say Mace is the strongest, because he was dominating Siddious, while Yoda was only slightly ahead. (In both fights, Siddious ended up doing non-saber stuff to defeat people. Lightning, throwing Senatorial podiums, etc. or, you get a kind of Rock-Paper-Scissors scenario, where each wins a matchup, and each loses a matchup.
Another example is the Johnny Storm vs. Pyro fight in Deadpool 3. Johnny is the more powerful mutant… except that he is specifically vulnerable to Pyro’s command of Fire.
So my question is: are we ranking everybody against everyone else, or are we considering how does against ?
i never see ichigo worrying about bazz b's burner finger. it's just more like "oh shit, i'm in a rush but these guys surrounded me, yhwach might get away"-type shit
firmly above his former Dangai self, and the likes of Final Getsuga Tensho. his Getsuga Jujishos seem to be on the scale and level of Mugetsu. and that’s him in his base form, and not going all out.
you know before, i had some doubt. i wasn't sure which version was stronger. but now, with these additional fight scenes? the difference is clear
Don't forget pre power up ichigo never used is hollow mask (supposed to look like his vasto lord form)
And to think, hes just in his Shikai... hes not even using bankai or hollow powers yet lol Thats scary lol
His Shikai version is at top tier. Same level as Ichibe, Aizen and Bankai Yama level. Since he was beating Yhwach without almighty. But it's a testament of Yhwach strength too. He just took on Ichibe and Ichigo B2B, that is just insane power and durability
hope they show something about ichigo bankai
Since it took current uryu with a volstanding to take down ichigo, and since uryu just defeated bankai senjumaru. I'd say true shikai ichigo is god tier with monster aizen and dangai. Not to mention ichigo handled base yhwach faster than ichibei did. True shikai ichigo is alot stronger than we originally thought. Also he flexed off almighty yhwach blut vene.
I feel like Ichigo can be compared to Yamamotto and Ichibei in terms of raw power based on their battles with Yhwach. At least Shikai for all of them
Remember too when we're comparing him to prime Yamamoto who beat Yhwach back then he must have use bankai. So true shikai Ichigo is on par or even better than prime Yamamoto bankai
True Shikai Ichigo overpowering no-Almighty Yhwach just feels so right and deserved. Almigthy Yhwach is obviously still a problem so I hope Kubo does make some changes in cour 4. Not only do I want to see a proper long fight between full power Horn of Salvation True Bankai Ichigo and Soul King Yhwach, but I think their needs to be a fundemental change to that fight. One thing that I always found bizzare is that Ichigo didn't end up being a direct counter to Yhwach's Almigthy. Normally it's a trope that the protagonist is the answer to the antagonists broken power, but I think it would be fitting in this case. One of the essential Ichigo poems or just themes about his character is: "Give me enough strength to shatter fate." Yet in the end Yhwach was still able to control Ichigo's fate with his Almigthy. It never worked for me. I think this time around once Ichigo goes True Bankai, Yhwach finds out that the Almigthy does not work on Ichigo anymore while in Bankai. And he freaks out and actually has to fight Ichigo properly and gets severly pressed. We know that the Almigthy couldn't see through the actions of Mimihagi because it was a part of the Soul King so it couldn't percieve it intervening. We know that Ichigo is a hybrid of all the races in Bleach, we know he went through special Soul King training with Ichibei and we know from the light novels that Ichigo was considered to be a new SK candiate if needed. So Yhwach wouldn't be able to percieve that Ichigo's Bankai has this ability because the Bankai wouldn't allow that to be seen in all possible futures. Ichigo's Bankai should literally control fate in that way. You can still somehow have Ichigo lose that encounter in the end and then he teams up with Aizen and Uryu arrives and uses the arrow. So that the manga ending just isn't completely changed.
Hmm, I personally don't really like this. Besides making it impossible for Ichigo to lose against Yhwach, as you made it out to be, leaving Uryu out of the battle like that again in the anime feels so wrong and distasteful. Besides being the only Quincy who survived the Auswählen unharmed and who lost his mother to it like Ichigo, his power (the Antithesis) is the only one said to be able to stop and rival the Almighty (said by Yhwach himself). Having Ichigo being able to counter everything himself makes Uryu and the Antithesis, as well as Still Silver, completely pointless.
@nikoladrca5324 Like I said, Ichigo doesn't have to win the 1v1 fight. The team up with Aizen and then Uryu contributing should still happen. But I don't want Ichigo's Bankai to be immediately broken. It's just so anticlimatic that we finally see full power Ichigo and he stands no chance because of the crazy Almigthy hax when his sword just breaks. He should have a resistance to it at least so we can actually see an extended fight. And I would love if Uryu was more involved that just the arrow. Like you mentioned maybe he could use his Schrift against Yhwach.
@@nikjovan4816 In that case, sure, it's nice. I never said that I don't want to see Ichigo's new Bankai, just that it would feel wrong if he defeated Yhwach all by himself. But if only Zangetsu can't be immediatly broken, and Uryu + Aizen fight in a big portion of the final fight, I think that would be perfect! The three of them fighting Yhwach was always my dream, with Ichigo in HoS + Bankai, and Uryu in Sklaverei Vollständig + Antithesis + Still Silver in the end
I think we are going to get an extended Yhwach v Ichigo round 3 with Ichigo's true bankai. Making the final clash more desperate and hectic.
I agree that the attack should’ve incapacitated Candice, but I think it’s supposed to be a rough parallel to Yamamoto’s shikai power showing against the sternritter. Yamamoto’s casual Shikai strike is supposed to be paralleled by Ichigo despite holding back to abysmal levels by his later power showings can take the arm of a stronger sternritter than two of the three Yamamoto cooked and was going all out whereas they were in base against Yama. Not downplaying Yamamoto just drawing the parallel, I personally think Yamamoto scales over all of the Sternritter and the elite guard as implied by Yhwach and the rest of the cast. Case in point, Shunsui can fight Lille and push him to evolve twice, however is vastly below Yamamoto.