The value of the dollar is what’s depreciated. You can thank the federal reserve banking cartel and the government criminal cartel for printing dollars like it’s writing paper.
@@ivanjimenez8868 its more like the money being printed being hoarded by the likes of the jeff bezoses and elon musks, billionaire human scum with no use for their scrooge mcduck vaults of money. Can't even dive into it since its all 1's and 0's in off-shore bank accounts. Having their obscene wealth stripped, even just down to many-millions of dollars and able to live comfortably in the lifestyles they already have and giving that money to everybody in the country evenly would inject a major boost to the larger economy without devaluing the dollar, AND infinitely improving the lives of the average joes and janes of these united states.
I remember growing up our neighbor's son getting a Mustang Cobra when they were new right before 2000. It remember it being somewhat loud, and he was always working under the hood.
@@scdevon the 90s cobras are criminally underrated for making big power. Upgraded rods and pistons you can make a reliable 800 rwhp with a turbo of course and it can be done with stock heads with enough boost they're pretty good heads with boost.
I miss the SN95 Mustangs, especially the earlier iteration of them...I feel like the current 6th gen Mustang is a continuation of this design and styling, whereas the 5th gen was a perfect throwback to the classic styling of the Mustangs of old that revived the muscle car market.
The 5th gen Mustangs are by far the best looking Mustang since 1973. They totally ruined it in 2015. The 6th gen is not as hideously ugly as the Foxbody, but nowhere near as good looking as the 5th gen. But car manufacturers tend to do that. They don't seem to know what they had. The 5th gen Camaro was a nice looking car. The 6th gen was a nightmare.
It really doesn't matter which one y'all think is faster, they are close enough in speed that it will all come down to whose the better driver in a race. Just pick which one you think looks better imo
I wouldn't trust motor week's 0-60 times either. In a lot of their videos, you see their test drivers spinning the rear wheels for a good 4 seconds off the line.
I completely agree -- Motor Week's times seem to be anywhere from half to a full second off what the car can actually do. It seems their test drivers think they can just mash the pedal from a stop and they'll get the best time possible.
@@Evan2 yeah, I've noticed this with a lot of their car reviews like the Pontiac Vibe GT they said 0-60 was 8 seconds and it is actually around 7 seconds
Back in 2004 when the cobra and the SS were common I used to own a 2004 Mustang GT six speed manual. My car's only mod was a Borla Stingers catback. I outpaced a 1998 Trans Am, took on a 2004 Mach 1 and stay ahead within a bumper and I also beat a 1998 Cobra but barely. All the races were pretty closed and I think the main difference was that I was a hell of a driver. I retired my 2004 GT when I sold it to my brother and bought a 2011 Mustang GT which is just a totally different beast of a car. Not once did I cared for the late 90s early 2000s Camaros. I always liked the Trans Am Ws6 and the Cobras better.
@@Lucille69caddy there was no 98 mach 1 but I can assure you an 03-04 mach 1 was well within reason to give a stock ls1 car Fits. Evan Smith from muscle mustangs mag ran 13.1 at 105 mph in a bone stock mach 1. It def could compete stock for stock with an ls car of the period. That was one of the strongest mass produced na mustangs they made back then all the way till the coyote in 2011. Pretty badass for 281 cubic inches from the early 2000s.
@@midnight347 My bad. I meant to say ‘04 Mustang GT. I still say that 4.6 didn’t stand a chance against an LS1 T/A manual. Those 4-speed autos were horrendous and the weak link. They were also slower.
@@midnight347 281 cubic inches, 4 valves/cylinder instead of 2, dual OHC instead of 1. You “little” this and “little” that guys omit those little diddies for obvious reasons. In fact, with all of that going on, it is actually physically larger in dimension compared to the 5.7 LS1. Park both cars side by side once. You’ll see.
I remember clearly out here in central tx, when those Ls1's hit the street the camaro and trans am were running low 13 quarters and one of my friends had a basic z/28 hard top no power windows, cloth seats and it was a stock freak, ran 12.9 with drag radials. Fastest stock cobra I saw was a 1998 and it ran mid 13s. I had a bad ass fox back then, and man I had such respect for those ls cars. I always wanted to buy one, trans am firehawk black on black yes please. Wish I kept my fox.
456 gear and drag radials could get the cobra to real low 13 possibly high 12 in good air. It is unreal what a change from 3.27 to 4.56 does for those 4v cars back in those days. I would do 4.30-456 if na and if supercharged I'd still do 4.10. Them cars need gears badly.
They're not that far off stock for stock. The fbody trapped 2 mph more which is about right. The ls1 first came in 98 this engine first came in 96 for the cobra so its kind of unfair testing an engine that been around a few years against the brand new for camaro ls1 engine with 1.1 liters more displacement and it's barely quicker lol.
@@midnight347 lol you're dead wrong on that SS. He launched that car dukes of hazard style. Any capable driver could get very low 13s, high 12s out of an SS. You're not doing that with that year cobra without tires and gears.
I'm glad so they could come in 2nd to Mustangs for a while before they discontinue the camaro again. It's been great beating camaros consistently for decades
Michael tucker this shit is biased as hell. The guy in the z28 roasted the tires and never attempted to regain traction. My 14.2 second 89 formula firebird with a free modded tpi305 killed sn95 GTs twice a week for years at Darlington dragway. Most of the sn95 GTs mustang ran high 14s and low 15s. My 02 ws6 6 speed was box stock and in mint condition when I got it with 33k miles on it in 2012. My first day at the track I was running 12.8s with a 2.0 60'. It killed stock 04 cobras as I got used to launching it. That z28 ls1 should have walked that shitstain the entire 1/4. I've never seen anyone but a complete newb run a high 13 with ls1 auto f-body. Those are decent driver in an LT1 times. The mustangs were very overrated on paper for their power numbers just to try to match up with the ls1 cars. The LS1 was very underrated considering most of the 6 speed cars would put down more power at the rear wheels than the engine was advertised to produce at the flywheel . Even a lot of stock autos put down 330ish rwhp when the flywheel numbers were suppose to be 325hp. This shit is a joke. The only mustang that could keep up with ls1 f-bodies was the 04 cobra and it took 8psi from a supercharger to do it. That's around a 50% increase over what that engine would have made naturally aspirated. Old lightly modified ls1 f-bodies are still beating the new 5.0s. At least those races are actually close. I have to call total bullshit on this videos drag race.
Boogey man If he thinks those push rod hunk of shit ls motors are on parr with a coyote 5.0 or a termi motor he is smoking crack. Can a ls1, ls2 or ls3 handle 1000 hp??? Fuck no but the gen 2 and 3 coyote can handle over 1000 hp and the termi motor which is forged from the factory can handle around 900hp with a good tune. He can have fun making his push rod hunk of shit get anything over 700 without blowing the fuck up. Shit the ls3 cant even handle over 750hp. what a joke.
Archangel_4sixx There are plenty of LS3's pushing well over 750 HP with little to no mods. GM and Ford both make quality engines capable of big numbers.
The driver in the Camaro spun the tires too much on takeoff. That is the ONLY reason why the Mustang was able to get ahead. In this case, the Ford won by driver error.
If you paid attention to Mustang was also spinning look at the marks on the street just admit it Ford is better Chevy's okay don't get me wrong but Ford will always be number one so don't forget that
Camaro needed a driver mod, BADLY. Those LS1 F bodies were easily low 13 second, or even high 12 second cars with the right driver. If I remember right, a base model '98 Z28 posted a 12.9 or 12.8 1/4 mile in one of the test magazines. The LS1s *actually* made around 350hp (more with ram air), the Mustang GT barely squeaked out 260 in '99, and even the Cobra was bested by nearly 50 horsepower, until the 03-04 Cobras.
I grew up a huge bowtie fan. Had F-BODYS all through childhood, high school, the military, young adulthood. Wouldn't be caught dead in a Ford. Now in my mid thirties, a lot more mellow, and a lot more open minded, I dig mustangs now too. Hell, even challengers. I can appreciate any of the new pony cars. All are well executed, more refined, and much more powerful. Can't really go wrong with any choice of new V8, manual transmission, rear drive sports cars. To be honest I've kind of moved on from the 4 seaters and now into Corvettes. Next on my to do list is a C6 Z06 track car. Whatever one you're a fan of, get one, drive it, beat on it. Life is too short not to!
The LS1 is a push rod motor, so it is a very small motor, allowing it to fit in smaller cars. They make a great amount of power and have a huge aftermarket for them. You can pick up one of these motors for cheap since there are so many of them around.
pontiacGXPfan, Matt Dirks is on the right track. The Chevy pushrod motors are small on the outside. I've seen a photo of a LS motor next to a 32v V8 from Lexus. The Lexus cylinder heads are huge, because they each have 2 cams in them. From the outside the Lexus V8 looked almost twice as big as the Chevy, even though its displacement was 4L vs. 7L, and its power was 300 vs. 500. A Ford 5.0L DOHC engine is slightly bigger, costs almost $7000 brand new, and there aren't many of them available for cheap in junkyards (yet). The Ford 4.6L DOHC engines are actually bigger still, and I hear the aftermarket for them is fading away as manufacturers and vendors shift to favor the 5.0.
Im sure this is a re-upload cause ive seen this vid b4. This rivalry reminds me of me and my friends cars,he has a 2002 Camaro SS and i have a 96 Cobra. Im also saving up to rebuild my 96 cobra with all forged internals and then a pro charger later on.
@@cavscout62 Well, my comment was 2 years old. The new GT and GT500's didn't exist back then... Also, those cars are more expensive even after inflation.
@@mkygod Ummm, the 5.0 GT was running 12.0-12.2s in 2011. The Ecoboost 4 cylinder now is running 13.20s, the same as these LS1 cars. From a 4 cylinder 3800lb mustang.
@@Milehighsnake98I doubt that was the norm. I say that because my '00 SS beat one of those new(at the time) 5.0s and all I had done was 3.73 gears and long tube headers. My car ran nowhere near 12 flat. Ya alot of the newer 4 bangers and 6 cylinder cars can run 13s dude. They have over 20 years of technology on both of these cars.
The camaro is better in every single way. Even 03/04 cobras can barely compete. I've had both also. Not to mention the ridiculous cost to make power with a ford motor. Both cars were some of the best ever produced. I've had 40+ fbodys and several mustangs. Even beat up 300k mile cars have been reliable and handle/ stop better than most cars even made today.
Anyone alive and conscious back in the day when these cars were pounding the pavement in the hands of well-to-do high schoolers and 20-something’s knows those quarter mile times are horse manure, unless in the hands of a high schooler first time racer. The clutch and ax aren’t on/off switches. One thing I saw, not sure if anyone else noticed, the Camaro’s exhaust. I’ve never seen a single exit chrome tipped exhaust like that come factory on any f-body. Even the base models had a crossflow muffler with 2 turn down exhaust tips. Weird.
Man you Camaro fanboys get offended easily....you do realize they don’t just make 1 attempt and “call it a day.” They just showed the tire spin to make for good tv. Also these test were performed with factory tires! Put on a good set and you’ll improve your time at the drag strip, and for that matter the drag strip has a much “stickier” surface to start from.
Andy E No, they are upset because it’s basically common knowledge that the SS is 0.5 sec quicker to 60 and in the quarter than a ‘98 Cobra, and it’s obvious the driver was awful. I like both these cars really, don’t care either way, but check any other source at all and you’ll see
I drove the '98 Ford GT Mustang: the perfect balance of ride and handling. But the GM had the feel of a go-kart. It was like night and day. And the Ford driveline always lasts longer than the GM. Simply compare the Caddies with the Lincolns. You'll know what I mean.
These were $30k out the door back in 98, I remember them specifically. Considering how minimum wage was around $5 bucks, I guess that would equal about $60 grand of today’s money. Which means they have gone down in price over time
You guessed wrong. Adjusted for inflation puts them right around 40k maybe less in today's money. These were the top trims of each car. They have def gone UP
@@midnight347 nope you’re also wrong, look up the inflation rate from 23 years ago then come talk. Gas was $1.20 when I got my license, minim wage was $5 in Los Angeles Cali where I live, and it’s $15 now. They didn’t go up or down they’re still the same. It would be 50K in today’s money to be exact
The Mustang weighs 3391 lbs and the Camaro at 3442 lbs.. the camaro has 335 ft/lbs of torque and 320 hp.. the mustang is at 305hp and 300 ft/lbs of torque.. the difference in this race is the driver.
Dang, the Camaro soldiered on for 4 more model years after GM thought about canceling it. If only they had put a dime into the platform and came up with the 5th gen to replace it sooner. Sales would have spiked and rejuvenated the model. Then we would've had the much better 6th generation back in 2012 or so, instead of waiting until 2015. Then we wouldn't have been stuck with a tame 300 hp Mustang GT for that whole time the Camaro was on hiatus.
Motorweek was always a mustang buttkisser mag. It always made up BS to make the end result even. Literally every other mag on earth had the SS blowing the doors off the tang in the 1/4.
It's whatever, I remember in late 90s, I used to own 96 cobra, friend of mine had SS and another one WS6 - IT was cool, no hate, no pissing on anything, great cars, we had tons of fun...
@@stillsearching1284 yep, friend of mine had 300ZX TT - I also had 2 DSM's 95 Eclipse GSX manual of course. late 90s had bunch of cool cars, let's not forget RX-7 or 3000GT
I owned a ‘98 Z-28 (non SS) with just bolt ons and a 6spd. Best import race was a Eclipse GST and I won by a long shot. No disrespect to the eclipse either. I loved those cars. Also, regularly raced a 98 Cobra owned by a “rival” many times and won every time. Car full or empty
Same here, but we had mostly late 80's/early 90's cars. I had a v8 Firebird, friend had a v8 Camaro, and this guy and his brother both owned mustangs, one a cobra and the other a GT. Fun to cruise around back when traffic wasn't so bad lol
This i hate when car "pro's" pull that shit. Like learn to fucking drive before reviewing cars. Top gear would do the same shit. Pit the vettes against slower more expensive euro cars, smoke first, and lose. BS
Except for this time they should. I’m a Chevy guy but will admit I would never buy the current gem Camaro. It’s so ugly. The mustang is just better. However the zl1 is still badass, cause it has the old gen front end
They should cancel it, the Camaro has lost its way. I had a 98 Z28 but I wouldn't even consider getting a new Camaro. They're ugly, heavy, expensive, and slower than mustangs. No selling points any more
Please do...what a douchebag disaster. The Camaro was always my favorite car, and in 2004 when I first saw the relaunch design...omg..I was gonna be the first to own an SS. Life got in the way, and thank God...what a shit show this car has turned out to be...cancel it forever; it's disrespectful to its own heritage at this point.
I just want them to fix it. Make it look good and allow good sightlines from inside. Keep the V-8 and manual transmission. That's all I ask. It's not that much heavier than an LS1 Camaro. But yeah, my next Camaro is 95% likely a late 4th gen.
Back in the day, someone i knew someone that had a brand new 1990, white mustang GT with a five speed. I was 17 and about five years younger than him. Believe or not, he threw the keys to me three times! He let me drive it By myself. I still can’t believe it. Anyway, those were some good cars and some good times!
@@cedricmiller4370 No you wouldn't lol. My cousin owned a 2001 SS, and they were pure junk from a quality perspective. Cheap speed. The Mustang may not have been quite as fast in a straight line, but it was overall a much higher quality vehicle.
@@DrBeef216 No im serious I would rather have the 2001 Camaro SS instead of the new Camaro because of the unique demeanor like don't get me wrong of course the new Camaro is faster more horsepower and everything but it's like the extra horsepower is the only thing that it offers more of than the old Camaro it doesn't even have the T-Tops like the old Z28 had or the ram air hood scoops little stuff like that stood out on the old Camaro personality. But you say your cousin had bad experience with his 2001 Camaro I'm shocked because I've always heard the LS motor was reliable but I agree with you on mustang being well built they last a long time I used to like the 1997 mustang GT stick shifts
This isn't today versus yesterday necessarily. This is Motorweek vs Motor Trend. Motorweek has always been geared towards the more educated and intelligent crowd.
@@mediocreman2 I wouldn't say it's anything to do with being intelligent or educated at all. Motortrend today is trying to somewhat match Top Gear's "lore" approach to car reviews whereas Motorweek was trying to be like a video brochure of the car with a little bit of subjective opinion for things they really like or didn't like about a car. Looking back, it almost didn't make sense as it was shown arbitrarily on broadcast TV and the odds of a casual car buyer seeing an episode featuring the car they were thinking about was very unlikely. It was really only beneficial to people too young to drive but just wanted to dream about what car they might get (that's who I was) or for car salesmen to do research on the competition. Compare that to today where they would've been a great resource to quickly compare competing cars to make a buying decision, but now there's a zillion youtubers effectively making the same kind of videos, but perhaps not with the same level of consistency and fact listing.
@@nunyabusiness896no your argument makes no sense you just said Motorweek is more like a brochure that means it’s more educational, Motortrend is more entertainment
Driver's game really. Smoke a later ws6 trans-am in my brother's shitbox '98 mustang gt with mufflers and a k&n. "Testing" vs. real-world are very different things. And camaros have been garbage since the early 70s. Sales testify to that.
I'm a Ford guy too, but I bet I could beat it with that Chevy if I had a few practice launches. I'd give the Chevy a good honest shot if I were driving it, too.
@@knucklehead0202 lol, no you didn't. No need to lie to like a car. I've raced (being the driver) a 98gt, 99 cobra and a saleen. Also a 12 point ticket from a 98SS, and also raced a ws6 and the 98gt with intake and an X pipe was by far the slowest. In the real world, the SS beats the cobra by a little (yes we lined them up). Hell man, I absolutely embarrassed that 98gt with my wife's bmw540i, I could barely find the headlights in my mirror by 100 lol. Shamefully slow, I wouldn't race a Honda in one.
How the hell did they sabotage the Camaro like that in the drag race these cars have a bone stock 0 to 60 of 4.9 seconds hey 0 to 60 that is faster than the 98 Cobra and the 2003 Cobra
They were not faster than the 03 cobra in any way in any test ever period. 03 cobra went to 60 in 4.5 and was half a second faster in the quarter and trapped 113 mph. Not even close.
@@cheldosarmiento2733 Yeah fucking right I am so sure. If they had someone that could get the Camaro out of then hole the Camaro would smoke that supped escort.
As much as i do love the power output of an American V8, you cannot compare it to a Japanese inline 4. V8 is is for hobby. Just doomsday machines. They sound nice as hell when they happen to work. And that always requires an engine rebuild. Bent push rods, worn cam, timing chain, etc. And then drive the toyota corolla to go get the parts.
I still prefer that 1998 SVT Cobra. I love that car so much. I also think the SS is a bad ass car. I would still take a WS6 Trans-Am over either (6-speed manual). They still look mean, especially in black.
Mustang Vs. Camaro is the best rivalry in car history. I’m a die-hard Mustang guy, but I love the Camaro because it brings competition to the Mustang, and the competition makes each of them better. They both have strong personalities, strong engines, and strong history.
@@brentback983it was by design to make the mustang look equal.. real world they aren’t close. I’d be paused if I’d bought a cobra under these presences and get my ass kicked all the time by the new camaro Z28 not just the SS lol
@@ztwntyn8the camaro trapped 2 mph more dumbass. That's pretty close. Tell me you don't know shit without actually telling me. These cobras smoked the lt1 and were barely behind the ls1 with 1.1 liters less displacement. These cobra motors be been into the 5s in the quarter at 256 with stock block, stock crank and stock style ported heads. Ain't no ls anything ever done that with that many stock parts with anywhere near 4.6 liters of displacement. Anything ls running that fast is prob over 400 cubes and running fully aftermarket everything including the block. But by all means keep on spreading your fantasy bs where these ls1 actually fucking matter lol
@@ztwntyn8I had a 97 cobra back in the day I used to spank lt1 z28s on the regular. I could run right with ls1 cars too. Stop acting like they're words apart on performance when they clearly aren't. 2 mph isn't that much in the quarter it's a slight edge but far from the dominant win you guys are acting like the camaro should have.
When I was 18 I wanted either of these cars so bad, but was in no place to afford one. No that I'm a little older and have a little more money, I have a nice reliable truck, but every time I see one of these on the road I get a little nostalgic. Both of those cars had so much HP for that time, crazy to think my wife's Pilot has 285. Also crazy to think about the evolution of both Ford and Chevy motors; the incredibly reliable old-school push rod LS and the very technically advanced DOCH Coyote. Still so awesome.
Just because that pilot has 285 hp don't mean it's anywhere near as fast as these. Don't mistake similar hp for similar performance. People make this mistake often when comparing cars from yesterday with more modern usually much more heavy newer stuff.
@@slowstang88 with factory street cars, a 10th is almost nothing. Also, when you spun the tires for quite a long time when they other guy had traction and only lost by a 10th. Pretty much means you would have won if you hooked up from the start.
@@slowstang88 Well the first time didn't get through your head. Re-watch the video. They say had the 60mph mark, the mustang was there at 5.4s and camaro was at 5.7s. (due to spinning tires). The camaro then closes the gap to .1 second and has a higher mph speed than the mustang. Zero to sixty website shows that camaro's 0-60 at 5.1 seconds. So yeah, had the camaro hooked up, it would have won. If you watch any of these older motorweeks, when they have rivals, they make sure it seems even and would rarely show one rival beating the crap out of another.
I'm getting old, that was the year I graduated High School! LOL I forgot how cheap those cars were back then, for some reason I thought they were already in the 30's.
Yes, I know. I own a 2015 Mustang GT Premium. You can get better performance than that '98 Z28 and Cobra at today's prices, but for that super status badging, you pay double now.
The camaro only trapped 2 mph more man. Trap speed stays pretty consistent and doesn't matter about the launch. Camaro is slightly faster but not by much.
Supra TT single or dual, depending on the size of the exhaust you can get the same flow rate. When the Camaro concept for 93 body style was at the track, it was out running the Corvette in the qmile. There was an article back then in I think road n track stating that gm didnt want the pony out running the horse so they kinked the air intake and went from dual to single exhaust. Dual is better no doubt, but you can get plenty of air flow from a single 3" exhaust.
They only did the single (wider) exhaust for 98 SS. I had that car. It was really fun because a lot of people thought it was a V6 dressed up to look like a SS. That is until you would light em up...and they could hear the exhaust and see you fly away. Back in the late 90's the SS was king. Fun times....I miss that car.
I didn't like the body style of the Z28 at the time, but now after seeing a million Camaros on the Road all with the same current look, it makes me really want this 98LS1.
You get 3x the car tho. You can still get a Camaro and Mustang for under 30k now. And those cars have almost the same power, better interior, suspension, and safety features than these.
When the camaro and Mustang came out in the 60s, no one thought that either one of them would cost $40,000 someday. $40k back then could buy both of the most expensive mustangs and camaros and still have enough money for a house or 2, plus enough to live off of for a year.
SS. SS. SS. I was 15 when these came out. No way I'd ever get them as a first car lol...But I sure did gawk at them in the magazines of the day. I was more into the Ford then, but the Camaro usually always came out on top in comparos. Today, I'd go with the SS. There's not a wrong choice here. About 2001, I got a 95 Prelude SE, and that car stickered for the same or more than these cars lol. Prelude was fantastic. Well built, I still own one to this day even, a 94 with 265k going strong. But the amount of performance from these domestic bruisers for the money was insane!! Cheers!
Great video. I've driven both cars and owned 3 ls1 camaro's. The ls1 camaro ran low to mid 13's all day long. I got 13.3 with cat back aftermarket exhaust from my 1998 coupe.
@midnight347 they were typically from my experience a touch slower then the z28 and ss camaros. 13.7 was about the best cobra I recall running in stock form. Then we all know what for did in 03 with the cobra😳
That Camaro driver is garbage that Camaro SS will lay waist to a Cobra of that year hopefully this horrible race didn't steer to many people to get that Cobra because if so I'm sure they found out they couldn't really match the SS lol
@@daleostrom3613 the guy in the mustang didn't do a burnout in a drag race though! I think they did some things on.purpose to try to help the mustang tie the comparison!
There's a MotowWeek review somewhere around here that shows a 3rd-gen Camaro (idk if 4bbl or TPI) outracing a whole-ass USDM 928 with far more power. Chevy probably made the right move switching to the Australian multilink in the end, but the 3rd and 4th gen Camaros show that they were likewise masters of the live axle setup
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First thing I did to my 97 Cobra - lowering springs and frame connectors. Much better handling.
Much better looks too lowering is a must they look like a 4x4 stock all mustangs then did.
Unfortunately, it was still the 20-year-old Fox-platform underneath.
@@midnight347 not like riding on clouds
The price of cars has inflates so much it's crazy
The value of the dollar is what’s depreciated. You can thank the federal reserve banking cartel and the government criminal cartel for printing dollars like it’s writing paper.
*inflates ur economy big and round* uwu
@@ivanjimenez8868 its more like the money being printed being hoarded by the likes of the jeff bezoses and elon musks, billionaire human scum with no use for their scrooge mcduck vaults of money. Can't even dive into it since its all 1's and 0's in off-shore bank accounts. Having their obscene wealth stripped, even just down to many-millions of dollars and able to live comfortably in the lifestyles they already have and giving that money to everybody in the country evenly would inject a major boost to the larger economy without devaluing the dollar, AND infinitely improving the lives of the average joes and janes of these united states.
@@ivanjimenez8868 It's like that around the world, dmbo.
@@ytsux9259 it sure is unfortunately.
2 rides that are still bad ass and I'm still too broke to afford
Me too
No your not just save better cut some costs and habits
Me tooooo
I remember growing up our neighbor's son getting a Mustang Cobra when they were new right before 2000. It remember it being somewhat loud, and he was always working under the hood.
One of the best Fomoco motors of all time, started life in the 93’ Lincoln Mark VIII
The heads on that Ford engine are fantastic. Maybe the best mass produced mid displacement American street heads ever.
@@scdevon the 90s cobras are criminally underrated for making big power. Upgraded rods and pistons you can make a reliable 800 rwhp with a turbo of course and it can be done with stock heads with enough boost they're pretty good heads with boost.
Agree. It a the coyotes grandfather lol
I am a proud owner of a 1997 Mustang Cobra!
Me too 97 black convitable with the rare cloth tan interior
I have a toyota corolla
98 Cobra here with a Vortech and built engine 💪
@@joelon3057 nice! Mine is on just on spray and has a t56 with gears 1st gear gets me to 60 but dont spray much
@@edi1mex Don't forget to pray before you spray with a stock frod engine.
I miss the SN95 Mustangs, especially the earlier iteration of them...I feel like the current 6th gen Mustang is a continuation of this design and styling, whereas the 5th gen was a perfect throwback to the classic styling of the Mustangs of old that revived the muscle car market.
What?
I felt the s550 was like a modern sn95 when they first came out and I still feel like that today. I prefer 15-17 it reminds me most of the sn95s.
The 5th gen Mustangs are by far the best looking Mustang since 1973. They totally ruined it in 2015. The 6th gen is not as hideously ugly as the Foxbody, but nowhere near as good looking as the 5th gen. But car manufacturers tend to do that. They don't seem to know what they had. The 5th gen Camaro was a nice looking car. The 6th gen was a nightmare.
Waiting on the stang to spin out and take out a few on lookers lol 😂
Lol
Hahaha as a mustang owner I’ve never killed any onlookers......yet
It's a numbers game really. Camaros have done it too, they just didn't sell enough for the percentages to match up...
It really doesn't matter which one y'all think is faster, they are close enough in speed that it will all come down to whose the better driver in a race. Just pick which one you think looks better imo
1998 SS Camaro 0-60 in 5.7 sec.?????? My 13 year old nephew could get a better time with that car.
I wouldn't trust motor week's 0-60 times either. In a lot of their videos, you see their test drivers spinning the rear wheels for a good 4 seconds off the line.
I completely agree -- Motor Week's times seem to be anywhere from half to a full second off what the car can actually do. It seems their test drivers think they can just mash the pedal from a stop and they'll get the best time possible.
Aaron Kark that's what I was thinking lol
0 to 60 times for the LS1 motored Camaros should be in the 4.9 to 5.3 second range.
@@Evan2 yeah, I've noticed this with a lot of their car reviews like the Pontiac Vibe GT they said 0-60 was 8 seconds and it is actually around 7 seconds
Back in 2004 when the cobra and the SS were common I used to own a 2004 Mustang GT six speed manual. My car's only mod was a Borla Stingers catback. I outpaced a 1998 Trans Am, took on a 2004 Mach 1 and stay ahead within a bumper and I also beat a 1998 Cobra but barely. All the races were pretty closed and I think the main difference was that I was a hell of a driver. I retired my 2004 GT when I sold it to my brother and bought a 2011 Mustang GT which is just a totally different beast of a car. Not once did I cared for the late 90s early 2000s Camaros. I always liked the Trans Am Ws6 and the Cobras better.
SpyderRios *5 speed manual
SpyderRios Falling off a cliff your '98 Mach 1 wouldnt stand a chance against a '98 TA.
@@Lucille69caddy there was no 98 mach 1 but I can assure you an 03-04 mach 1 was well within reason to give a stock ls1 car Fits. Evan Smith from muscle mustangs mag ran 13.1 at 105 mph in a bone stock mach 1. It def could compete stock for stock with an ls car of the period. That was one of the strongest mass produced na mustangs they made back then all the way till the coyote in 2011. Pretty badass for 281 cubic inches from the early 2000s.
@@midnight347 My bad. I meant to say ‘04 Mustang GT. I still say that 4.6 didn’t stand a chance against an LS1 T/A manual. Those 4-speed autos were horrendous and the weak link. They were also slower.
@@midnight347 281 cubic inches, 4 valves/cylinder instead of 2, dual OHC instead of 1. You “little” this and “little” that guys omit those little diddies for obvious reasons. In fact, with all of that going on, it is actually physically larger in dimension compared to the 5.7 LS1. Park both cars side by side once. You’ll see.
I remember clearly out here in central tx, when those Ls1's hit the street the camaro and trans am were running low 13 quarters and one of my friends had a basic z/28 hard top no power windows, cloth seats and it was a stock freak, ran 12.9 with drag radials. Fastest stock cobra I saw was a 1998 and it ran mid 13s. I had a bad ass fox back then, and man I had such respect for those ls cars. I always wanted to buy one, trans am firehawk black on black yes please. Wish I kept my fox.
456 gear and drag radials could get the cobra to real low 13 possibly high 12 in good air. It is unreal what a change from 3.27 to 4.56 does for those 4v cars back in those days. I would do 4.30-456 if na and if supercharged I'd still do 4.10. Them cars need gears badly.
Huge mustang fan but we all knew how them 1/4 mile races would go lol. Whoever drove on that test.... jeezus...
They're not that far off stock for stock. The fbody trapped 2 mph more which is about right. The ls1 first came in 98 this engine first came in 96 for the cobra so its kind of unfair testing an engine that been around a few years against the brand new for camaro ls1 engine with 1.1 liters more displacement and it's barely quicker lol.
@@midnight347 lol you're dead wrong on that SS. He launched that car dukes of hazard style. Any capable driver could get very low 13s, high 12s out of an SS. You're not doing that with that year cobra without tires and gears.
Im a mustang guy, but tbh id much rather have the camaro. Especially with leather, t tops and the 6 speed transmission.
I'm just really glad that Chevy made the smart decision to bring it back.
I'm glad so they could come in 2nd to Mustangs for a while before they discontinue the camaro again. It's been great beating camaros consistently for decades
You guys couldn't race back then. Lol i had a 1998 camaro ss it ran 13.3 sec all day in the 1/4mile.
Michael tucker this shit is biased as hell. The guy in the z28 roasted the tires and never attempted to regain traction. My 14.2 second 89 formula firebird with a free modded tpi305 killed sn95 GTs twice a week for years at Darlington dragway. Most of the sn95 GTs mustang ran high 14s and low 15s. My 02 ws6 6 speed was box stock and in mint condition when I got it with 33k miles on it in 2012. My first day at the track I was running 12.8s with a 2.0 60'. It killed stock 04 cobras as I got used to launching it. That z28 ls1 should have walked that shitstain the entire 1/4. I've never seen anyone but a complete newb run a high 13 with ls1 auto f-body. Those are decent driver in an LT1 times. The mustangs were very overrated on paper for their power numbers just to try to match up with the ls1 cars. The LS1 was very underrated considering most of the 6 speed cars would put down more power at the rear wheels than the engine was advertised to produce at the flywheel . Even a lot of stock autos put down 330ish rwhp when the flywheel numbers were suppose to be 325hp. This shit is a joke. The only mustang that could keep up with ls1 f-bodies was the 04 cobra and it took 8psi from a supercharger to do it. That's around a 50% increase over what that engine would have made naturally aspirated. Old lightly modified ls1 f-bodies are still beating the new 5.0s. At least those races are actually close. I have to call total bullshit on this videos drag race.
Michael tucker I had a 98 z28 t-top auto car that would run 13.2 all night stock @ Firebird Raceway in Phoenix, oh how I miss that car!
jonathan hudson You did not beat a terminator with that stock pos. Just stop.
Boogey man If he thinks those push rod hunk of shit ls motors are on parr with a coyote 5.0 or a termi motor he is smoking crack. Can a ls1, ls2 or ls3 handle 1000 hp??? Fuck no but the gen 2 and 3 coyote can handle over 1000 hp and the termi motor which is forged from the factory can handle around 900hp with a good tune. He can have fun making his push rod hunk of shit get anything over 700 without blowing the fuck up. Shit the ls3 cant even handle over 750hp. what a joke.
Archangel_4sixx There are plenty of LS3's pushing well over 750 HP with little to no mods. GM and Ford both make quality engines capable of big numbers.
that was a great trip down memory lane
The driver in the Camaro spun the tires too much on takeoff. That is the ONLY reason why the Mustang was able to get ahead. In this case, the Ford won by driver error.
If you paid attention to Mustang was also spinning look at the marks on the street just admit it Ford is better Chevy's okay don't get me wrong but Ford will always be number one so don't forget that
Bobby Gonzales no wtf camaros were able to get low 13s driver error sorry your blue oval isn’t always better
@@bobbygonzales1967 no way bro those camaro ls cars always tore those fords up bro driver error
Between the 2, I'd take the Camaro all day. But if I had a choice of Pony cars, give me the Pontiac Trans am series!
Camaro needed a driver mod, BADLY. Those LS1 F bodies were easily low 13 second, or even high 12 second cars with the right driver. If I remember right, a base model '98 Z28 posted a 12.9 or 12.8 1/4 mile in one of the test magazines.
The LS1s *actually* made around 350hp (more with ram air), the Mustang GT barely squeaked out 260 in '99, and even the Cobra was bested by nearly 50 horsepower, until the 03-04 Cobras.
@@scdevonThey didn't make a Mach 1 in '98 dude.
Put drag radials on both and watch that Camaro run high 12’s and Cobra mid 13’s or race from any roll and watch it leave it
I grew up a huge bowtie fan. Had F-BODYS all through childhood, high school, the military, young adulthood. Wouldn't be caught dead in a Ford. Now in my mid thirties, a lot more mellow, and a lot more open minded, I dig mustangs now too. Hell, even challengers. I can appreciate any of the new pony cars. All are well executed, more refined, and much more powerful. Can't really go wrong with any choice of new V8, manual transmission, rear drive sports cars. To be honest I've kind of moved on from the 4 seaters and now into Corvettes. Next on my to do list is a C6 Z06 track car. Whatever one you're a fan of, get one, drive it, beat on it. Life is too short not to!
I was in my 20's back then. The camaro was killing the mustang all day everyday back then. I owned two of those camaros
Nice! What years were they? I own a 02 SS
@@bhcamaro2002 I had a 96 z28 that was black on black with a 6 speed and T-tops and I had a 99 SS red with black interior and a 6 speed
Sweet! Mine is a 02 SS 6 speed with heads and cam
That V8 was everything❤
why do people keep using the LS1 for engine swaps?
pontiacGXPfan cheap, reliable, pretty easy to work on, make good power
The LS1 is a push rod motor, so it is a very small motor, allowing it to fit in smaller cars. They make a great amount of power and have a huge aftermarket for them. You can pick up one of these motors for cheap since there are so many of them around.
They fit in anything and out of the box 350hp and 350tq so one thing about the ls1 is when you keep modding then the torque keeps climbing
It's only because they're cheap.
pontiacGXPfan, Matt Dirks is on the right track. The Chevy pushrod motors are small on the outside.
I've seen a photo of a LS motor next to a 32v V8 from Lexus. The Lexus cylinder heads are huge, because they each have 2 cams in them. From the outside the Lexus V8 looked almost twice as big as the Chevy, even though its displacement was 4L vs. 7L, and its power was 300 vs. 500. A Ford 5.0L DOHC engine is slightly bigger, costs almost $7000 brand new, and there aren't many of them available for cheap in junkyards (yet). The Ford 4.6L DOHC engines are actually bigger still, and I hear the aftermarket for them is fading away as manufacturers and vendors shift to favor the 5.0.
Im sure this is a re-upload cause ive seen this vid b4. This rivalry reminds me of me and my friends cars,he has a 2002 Camaro SS and i have a 96 Cobra. Im also saving up to rebuild my 96 cobra with all forged internals and then a pro charger later on.
That Camara Z28 SS is about as fast as any car today in the quarter mile at the same price even after accounting for inflation!
mkygod - Not even close, new GT runs 11’s right off the showroom floor and GT500’s are running low 10’s.
@@cavscout62 Well, my comment was 2 years old. The new GT and GT500's didn't exist back then... Also, those cars are more expensive even after inflation.
@@mkygod Ummm, the 5.0 GT was running 12.0-12.2s in 2011. The Ecoboost 4 cylinder now is running 13.20s, the same as these LS1 cars. From a 4 cylinder 3800lb mustang.
@@Milehighsnake98I doubt that was the norm. I say that because my '00 SS beat one of those new(at the time) 5.0s and all I had done was 3.73 gears and long tube headers. My car ran nowhere near 12 flat. Ya alot of the newer 4 bangers and 6 cylinder cars can run 13s dude. They have over 20 years of technology on both of these cars.
I’ve owned them both. American legends.
I'm a Camaro fan. But that cobra engine is a beaut .
Crazy that I got my 1998 mustang gt in early 2021 for $2,500 with 126k miles
The camaro is better in every single way. Even 03/04 cobras can barely compete. I've had both also. Not to mention the ridiculous cost to make power with a ford motor.
Both cars were some of the best ever produced. I've had 40+ fbodys and several mustangs. Even beat up 300k mile cars have been reliable and handle/ stop better than most cars even made today.
GM thinking about cancelling the camaro due to slow sales! LMFAO
Anyone alive and conscious back in the day when these cars were pounding the pavement in the hands of well-to-do high schoolers and 20-something’s knows those quarter mile times are horse manure, unless in the hands of a high schooler first time racer. The clutch and ax aren’t on/off switches. One thing I saw, not sure if anyone else noticed, the Camaro’s exhaust. I’ve never seen a single exit chrome tipped exhaust like that come factory on any f-body. Even the base models had a crossflow muffler with 2 turn down exhaust tips. Weird.
Of course in this test the Camaro was slower in the 1/4... they literally did a full burnout for the first 75 feet... Motorweek should know better.
That era Mustang looks way too much like a Pontiac Grand Am.
I had a 95 cobra with a 5.0- when the dohc cobra came out I was so jealous because the cobra sounded so damn awesome and was so much faster
Man you Camaro fanboys get offended easily....you do realize they don’t just make 1 attempt and “call it a day.” They just showed the tire spin to make for good tv. Also these test were performed with factory tires! Put on a good set and you’ll improve your time at the drag strip, and for that matter the drag strip has a much “stickier” surface to start from.
cobras of that generation were cute little cars that camaro ss and z28s beat with not much effort.
The older 4.6GT was always a dog. I know this is the cobra though
A lot of salty Camaro fanboys in here.
My GMC Acadia pulls more horses than the mustang...and it’s a V6. Lol
Lol id be embarrassed to post a video launching a car like that.
They are mad because they can't use the Terminator supercharger excuse. The almighty Camaro SS lost to a NA 281 Cobra lol.
@@slugmaster64 You would really put a beating on the SS then since the Cobra beat it.
Andy E No, they are upset because it’s basically common knowledge that the SS is 0.5 sec quicker to 60 and in the quarter than a ‘98 Cobra, and it’s obvious the driver was awful. I like both these cars really, don’t care either way, but check any other source at all and you’ll see
How many spectators were injured during this???
FIRST ON RACE DAY!
2:21. The typo. It says, “lenght” instead of “length.”
I drove the '98 Ford GT Mustang: the perfect balance of ride and handling. But the GM had the feel of a go-kart. It was like night and day. And the Ford driveline always lasts longer than the GM. Simply compare the Caddies with the Lincolns. You'll know what I mean.
Ya we get it you bought a muscle car for the ride quality lol. Which wasn't THAT much better to justify them being so much slower in stock form.
Get someone to have to as hook up and the stang will only ever see tail lights
the camaro is actually faster, the driver of the camaro needs practice..
It's a closer race than you would think. I would give a slight advantage to the Camaro, but it comes down to the driver.
These were $30k out the door back in 98, I remember them specifically. Considering how minimum wage was around $5 bucks, I guess that would equal about $60 grand of today’s money. Which means they have gone down in price over time
You guessed wrong. Adjusted for inflation puts them right around 40k maybe less in today's money. These were the top trims of each car. They have def gone UP
@@midnight347 nope you’re also wrong, look up the inflation rate from 23 years ago then come talk. Gas was $1.20 when I got my license, minim wage was $5 in Los Angeles Cali where I live, and it’s $15 now. They didn’t go up or down they’re still the same. It would be 50K in today’s money to be exact
And now the V6s have more power. . .
Blue Panda Arms lol
But do they sound better than these old V8s?
and they are heavier.
Yeah,but the new v8s have tons more power now
Oh WOW we didn't know that !!
The interior quality and overall design of the Camaro is atrocious
I didn't realise Camaro sales were , just as bad as commodore ss in Australia
Erock Typical GM banality.
The bankruptcy was because they are too reliable. No one wants to go buy a new car when your 400,000 mile 90s Chevy runs like new
What happend with prices on cars Cobra went from 26k to nowadays over 120k are they outta there mind or something?
You'd think something called motortrend would have better drivers. I swear anything over 300hp and all they do is smoke the tires.
The Mustang weighs 3391 lbs and the Camaro at 3442 lbs.. the camaro has 335 ft/lbs of torque and 320 hp.. the mustang is at 305hp and 300 ft/lbs of torque.. the difference in this race is the driver.
Motorweek: The only drivers on Earth would couldn't beat a 1998 Cobra with a 1998 (LS powered) Camaro in a quarter mile.
😂😂😂
Too heavy, too slow. Cameros have been chasing Mustangs since 1967 and still haven't gotten one yet. It's like the Coyote and the Road Runner.
@@danielb5215 Said the frod mustnag fan living in denial.
Some people like cheap cars. The rest of us like Mustangs.
Mustangs ARE cheap lolol they were always marketed as the affordable sports car
Arutha258 that’s why they ls swap into mustangs to make them go fast
Mustangs have been gay for the past 51 years and counting, every douchebag owns a mustang.
I’ve never seen a ford motor in a Chevy, however I see mustangs with LS’s all the time.... “built ford tough with Chevy stuff”
Arutha258 that why y'all swap an LS into a Ford Filly to make it an actual mustang.
Cars in the thumbnail are so close to each other
Dang, the Camaro soldiered on for 4 more model years after GM thought about canceling it. If only they had put a dime into the platform and came up with the 5th gen to replace it sooner. Sales would have spiked and rejuvenated the model. Then we would've had the much better 6th generation back in 2012 or so, instead of waiting until 2015. Then we wouldn't have been stuck with a tame 300 hp Mustang GT for that whole time the Camaro was on hiatus.
Friend had one of those cobra's beat the crap out of it and held up well. He would get 29 mpg on the highway. Good cheap performance car.
These cars in decent shape cost the same over 20 years later
What was GM thinking when it only gave the Camaro a single tip exhaust? Muscle cars are meant to have duals!
Motorweek was always a mustang buttkisser mag. It always made up BS to make the end result even. Literally every other mag on earth had the SS blowing the doors off the tang in the 1/4.
Wow I can't believe how much car you could get for the money back in 1998
elr2141979 Everything is cheap when you don't account for inflation.
Back then we cared more about power and less luxury now a days it's just too much shit they're adding
elr2141979 inflation inflation inflation inflation and inflation
regulations and taxes cause inflation , business costs were far better 90s
I had the exact cobra in the video and sticker price was $28,000. So theyre numbers are a bit off. 🙄
It's whatever, I remember in late 90s, I used to own 96 cobra, friend of mine had SS and another one WS6 - IT was cool, no hate, no pissing on anything, great cars, we had tons of fun...
Such cool cars all around. Did you know anyone who had any Japanese sports cars like the 300ZX Turbo or Supra?
@@stillsearching1284 yep, friend of mine had 300ZX TT - I also had 2 DSM's 95 Eclipse GSX manual of course. late 90s had bunch of cool cars, let's not forget RX-7 or 3000GT
Did y'all ever race them against each other for fun? If so, what was the outcome?
I owned a ‘98 Z-28 (non SS) with just bolt ons and a 6spd. Best import race was a Eclipse GST and I won by a long shot. No disrespect to the eclipse either. I loved those cars. Also, regularly raced a 98 Cobra owned by a “rival” many times and won every time. Car full or empty
Same here, but we had mostly late 80's/early 90's cars. I had a v8 Firebird, friend had a v8 Camaro, and this guy and his brother both owned mustangs, one a cobra and the other a GT. Fun to cruise around back when traffic wasn't so bad lol
Camaro "Has Great off the line punch".......... 1:36 "fights to hook up?" Maybe because the driver doesn't know how to launch that car?
xTheHampster exactly. spinning all of 1st gear smh piss poor driving. perfect launch tbat mustang would have saw taillights the entire race
Never mind the fact that the cobra has the fancy twin cam Ive only seen one in person while everything else has the single cam.
Rico Robertson on the highway from 70-110 ish my LT1 M6 moved on this year cobra all I had was 160 t-stat and hypertech program
ahh camaro fans, yall are so fun
This i hate when car "pro's" pull that shit. Like learn to fucking drive before reviewing cars. Top gear would do the same shit. Pit the vettes against slower more expensive euro cars, smoke first, and lose. BS
And here we are again in 2019, where GM is thinking of cancelling the Camaro once again.
Except for this time they should. I’m a Chevy guy but will admit I would never buy the current gem Camaro. It’s so ugly. The mustang is just better. However the zl1 is still badass, cause it has the old gen front end
They should cancel it, the Camaro has lost its way. I had a 98 Z28 but I wouldn't even consider getting a new Camaro. They're ugly, heavy, expensive, and slower than mustangs. No selling points any more
Please do...what a douchebag disaster. The Camaro was always my favorite car, and in 2004 when I first saw the relaunch design...omg..I was gonna be the first to own an SS. Life got in the way, and thank God...what a shit show this car has turned out to be...cancel it forever; it's disrespectful to its own heritage at this point.
If the Camaro goes away, trailer parks dwellers nation wide will devastated...🙄
I just want them to fix it. Make it look good and allow good sightlines from inside. Keep the V-8 and manual transmission. That's all I ask. It's not that much heavier than an LS1 Camaro.
But yeah, my next Camaro is 95% likely a late 4th gen.
Love these. I was very heavily into the Mustang scene in the late 90's. Brings back a lot of good memories.
Back in the day, someone i knew someone that had a brand new 1990, white mustang GT with a five speed. I was 17 and about five years younger than him. Believe or not, he threw the keys to me three times! He let me drive it By myself. I still can’t believe it. Anyway, those were some good cars and some good times!
I love this Camaro Z28 SS 1998, is my favorite
@@fernandorocha8459 yea I rather have a 1998 Camaro SS instead of the newer generations
@@cedricmiller4370 No you wouldn't lol. My cousin owned a 2001 SS, and they were pure junk from a quality perspective. Cheap speed. The Mustang may not have been quite as fast in a straight line, but it was overall a much higher quality vehicle.
@@DrBeef216 No im serious I would rather have the 2001 Camaro SS instead of the new Camaro because of the unique demeanor like don't get me wrong of course the new Camaro is faster more horsepower and everything but it's like the extra horsepower is the only thing that it offers more of than the old Camaro it doesn't even have the T-Tops like the old Z28 had or the ram air hood scoops little stuff like that stood out on the old Camaro personality. But you say your cousin had bad experience with his 2001 Camaro I'm shocked because I've always heard the LS motor was reliable but I agree with you on mustang being well built they last a long time I used to like the 1997 mustang GT stick shifts
Its amazing how different car reviews are today. This is so serious compared to what motortrend does now
This isn't today versus yesterday necessarily. This is Motorweek vs Motor Trend. Motorweek has always been geared towards the more educated and intelligent crowd.
@@mediocreman2 I wouldn't say it's anything to do with being intelligent or educated at all. Motortrend today is trying to somewhat match Top Gear's "lore" approach to car reviews whereas Motorweek was trying to be like a video brochure of the car with a little bit of subjective opinion for things they really like or didn't like about a car. Looking back, it almost didn't make sense as it was shown arbitrarily on broadcast TV and the odds of a casual car buyer seeing an episode featuring the car they were thinking about was very unlikely. It was really only beneficial to people too young to drive but just wanted to dream about what car they might get (that's who I was) or for car salesmen to do research on the competition. Compare that to today where they would've been a great resource to quickly compare competing cars to make a buying decision, but now there's a zillion youtubers effectively making the same kind of videos, but perhaps not with the same level of consistency and fact listing.
@@nunyabusiness896no your argument makes no sense you just said Motorweek is more like a brochure that means it’s more educational, Motortrend is more entertainment
Im a Ford guy but the 5.7 liter ls Camaro ss was definitely faster than a 4.6 dohc cobra in 98
Isnt it actually the 5.7 lt1?
Driver's game really. Smoke a later ws6 trans-am in my brother's shitbox '98 mustang gt with mufflers and a k&n. "Testing" vs. real-world are very different things. And camaros have been garbage since the early 70s. Sales testify to that.
I'm a Ford guy too, but I bet I could beat it with that Chevy if I had a few practice launches. I'd give the Chevy a good honest shot if I were driving it, too.
@@knucklehead0202 lol, no you didn't. No need to lie to like a car. I've raced (being the driver) a 98gt, 99 cobra and a saleen. Also a 12 point ticket from a 98SS, and also raced a ws6 and the 98gt with intake and an X pipe was by far the slowest. In the real world, the SS beats the cobra by a little (yes we lined them up). Hell man, I absolutely embarrassed that 98gt with my wife's bmw540i, I could barely find the headlights in my mirror by 100 lol. Shamefully slow, I wouldn't race a Honda in one.
ah an educated person that just respects a good car
How the hell did they sabotage the Camaro like that in the drag race these cars have a bone stock 0 to 60 of 4.9 seconds hey 0 to 60 that is faster than the 98 Cobra and the 2003 Cobra
They were not faster than the 03 cobra in any way in any test ever period. 03 cobra went to 60 in 4.5 and was half a second faster in the quarter and trapped 113 mph. Not even close.
I absolutely love this generation Camaro. Soooooooo much fun to drive, stick of course.
Skip the SS, & just buy the much better looking, & Cooler 98-02 WS6 T/A
Joe Black, lol..of the gen4’s the WS6 is, was, & always will be Cooler than the camaro
Hahaha the WS6 is the Nigel Thornberry of cars
Ws6 would whip on them both, lol I have a 01 ws6... fast
@Joe Blackner actually it did run "cooler" had better air inlets.
The WS6 cars are also much more expensive than an SS. I'd buy the SS and work from there with the 10 grand I saved.
That Camaro needs a different driver in the drag racing
Would still lose
@@cheldosarmiento2733 Ok Cheldo
@@cheldosarmiento2733 Yeah fucking right I am so sure. If they had someone that could get the Camaro out of then hole the Camaro would smoke that supped escort.
@@cheldosarmiento2733 it's been proven for over 20 years now bro! The Camaro wins every time and if your a car guy you should know this!
Would still lose
I believe a true “car guy” wouldn’t dislike any sports/muscle car with a V8. Just my opinion..
your opinion is like an asshole,we all have one but we really don't want to see or hear it.
Not really, sohc 2 valves can suck a nut.
As much as i do love the power output of an American V8, you cannot compare it to a Japanese inline 4. V8 is is for hobby. Just doomsday machines. They sound nice as hell when they happen to work. And that always requires an engine rebuild. Bent push rods, worn cam, timing chain, etc. And then drive the toyota corolla to go get the parts.
@@2Str0k3 no
@@2Str0k3 Spoken like a true ricer lol
I still prefer that 1998 SVT Cobra. I love that car so much. I also think the SS is a bad ass car. I would still take a WS6 Trans-Am over either (6-speed manual). They still look mean, especially in black.
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Which leaves you 10 inches short. Don’t worry, my nephew has a small penis too
@Bignose Peterstien Coengoldshekelbergschnozz why would you say something so stupid? What's wrong with you?
@Bignose Peterstien Coengoldshekelbergschnozz I did deal with it. I pointed out how stupid and juvenile it was.
And cobra motor was beautiful when opening the hood.
Mustang Vs. Camaro is the best rivalry in car history. I’m a die-hard Mustang guy, but I love the Camaro because it brings competition to the Mustang, and the competition makes each of them better. They both have strong personalities, strong engines, and strong history.
It's just amazing how much personality John acquired over the years. His debut was very sleepy.
Always loved the front bumper on a cobra
no way can the camaro lose if launched properly ! but i love these reviews from beautiful days with real cars gone
Totally agree. No hate, I love love both cars and still do. However, that was a pretty bad launch for the Camaro.
@@brentback983it was by design to make the mustang look equal.. real world they aren’t close. I’d be paused if I’d bought a cobra under these presences and get my ass kicked all the time by the new camaro Z28 not just the SS lol
@@ztwntyn8the camaro trapped 2 mph more dumbass. That's pretty close. Tell me you don't know shit without actually telling me. These cobras smoked the lt1 and were barely behind the ls1 with 1.1 liters less displacement. These cobra motors be been into the 5s in the quarter at 256 with stock block, stock crank and stock style ported heads. Ain't no ls anything ever done that with that many stock parts with anywhere near 4.6 liters of displacement. Anything ls running that fast is prob over 400 cubes and running fully aftermarket everything including the block. But by all means keep on spreading your fantasy bs where these ls1 actually fucking matter lol
@@ztwntyn8I had a 97 cobra back in the day I used to spank lt1 z28s on the regular. I could run right with ls1 cars too. Stop acting like they're words apart on performance when they clearly aren't. 2 mph isn't that much in the quarter it's a slight edge but far from the dominant win you guys are acting like the camaro should have.
When I was 18 I wanted either of these cars so bad, but was in no place to afford one. No that I'm a little older and have a little more money, I have a nice reliable truck, but every time I see one of these on the road I get a little nostalgic. Both of those cars had so much HP for that time, crazy to think my wife's Pilot has 285. Also crazy to think about the evolution of both Ford and Chevy motors; the incredibly reliable old-school push rod LS and the very technically advanced DOCH Coyote. Still so awesome.
Just because that pilot has 285 hp don't mean it's anywhere near as fast as these. Don't mistake similar hp for similar performance. People make this mistake often when comparing cars from yesterday with more modern usually much more heavy newer stuff.
That pilot would never keep up but I see what u mean w the horsepower, today's mustang gts are at almost 500HP now, thats just insane
Dude driving the camaro was spinning his tires the first 1/8th and still almost won. lol
Losing by a 10th is not almost winning
@@slowstang88 with factory street cars, a 10th is almost nothing.
Also, when you spun the tires for quite a long time when they other guy had traction and only lost by a 10th. Pretty much means you would have won if you hooked up from the start.
@@Ka_Gg Thanks Captain Obvious. Do you work for the Department of Redundancy Department?
@@slowstang88 Well the first time didn't get through your head. Re-watch the video. They say had the 60mph mark, the mustang was there at 5.4s and camaro was at 5.7s. (due to spinning tires). The camaro then closes the gap to .1 second and has a higher mph speed than the mustang. Zero to sixty website shows that camaro's 0-60 at 5.1 seconds. So yeah, had the camaro hooked up, it would have won. If you watch any of these older motorweeks, when they have rivals, they make sure it seems even and would rarely show one rival beating the crap out of another.
@@Ka_Gg "it would have" I love what if scenarios and bench racing, it's fun.
camaro ''driver'' needs to learn to launch..seen LS1 run low 13's stock...this was hilarious
brian centi my stock 02 camaro runs 13:20s yes it’s auto
My o2 firebird run low 13 you start in second gear for best 0 to 60
They could scrape 12s with a good driver
this clown can't drive ls1 will dog a 4v 4.6 any day
Yeah I just argued this and many ppl just don't understand.
I'm getting old, that was the year I graduated High School! LOL I forgot how cheap those cars were back then, for some reason I thought they were already in the 30's.
Acc0rd79 with dealer mark up, they probably were north of 30k
Yeah. They're affordable even if you count for inflation. $25k in 1998 is around $36k today. The 2017 ZL1s and GT350s are double that price.
cadsux you can a new v8 Camaro or mustang for around 32-36 today
Yes, I know. I own a 2015 Mustang GT Premium. You can get better performance than that '98 Z28 and Cobra at today's prices, but for that super status badging, you pay double now.
It sucks that even back then the top dog Camaro or mustang was still relatively affordable. Now you better be making damn good money to afford one.
The SS looks like an asian man in a wind tunnel
Carp lol
Or a catfish
So do you.
Chinaman?
They just wanted a big point to give mustang buyers even though everyone knows the camaro driver cant launch
My grandma could do better
The camaro only trapped 2 mph more man. Trap speed stays pretty consistent and doesn't matter about the launch. Camaro is slightly faster but not by much.
Why does that Cam SS have single exhaust it's supposed to have dual mine 99 had dual from factory
Supra TT you had to have the dual dual option. Yes some came single. They all have y pipe exhaust factory.
Supra TT single or dual, depending on the size of the exhaust you can get the same flow rate. When the Camaro concept for 93 body style was at the track, it was out running the Corvette in the qmile. There was an article back then in I think road n track stating that gm didnt want the pony out running the horse so they kinked the air intake and went from dual to single exhaust. Dual is better no doubt, but you can get plenty of air flow from a single 3" exhaust.
They only did the single (wider) exhaust for 98 SS. I had that car. It was really fun because a lot of people thought it was a V6 dressed up to look like a SS. That is until you would light em up...and they could hear the exhaust and see you fly away. Back in the late 90's the SS was king. Fun times....I miss that car.
Aaron Kark no theyhad a center exhaust slp SS never single pipe, and it was available up to 2002
There’s an exhaust from SLP called “TOTL” aka “Two On The Left” makes more power than a pipe coming our each side in back. My 97 SS has it
Those LS1s were low 13 sec cars and some high 12s. This review is BS
I didn't like the body style of the Z28 at the time, but now after seeing a million Camaros on the Road all with the same current look, it makes me really want this 98LS1.
Sad to see the prices of cars today. No one ever thought there would be a $100,000 Corvette in 2020.
You get 3x the car tho. You can still get a Camaro and Mustang for under 30k now. And those cars have almost the same power, better interior, suspension, and safety features than these.
When the camaro and Mustang came out in the 60s, no one thought that either one of them would cost $40,000 someday. $40k back then could buy both of the most expensive mustangs and camaros and still have enough money for a house or 2, plus enough to live off of for a year.
I like the Camaro's steering wheel. It actually allows you to hold it at 9 and 3 without the wheel spokes getting in the way.
I like the interiors of the cars a lot. I prefer the mustang, it's a little more quality and the dash doesn't fall apart. Less rattle and road noise.
facts
"Oh, Lord, won't you buy me a Z28? My friends all drive Trans Ams........."
That Camaro driver can't launch. He should stick to road courses.
I've always preferred the WS6 T/A and Formula personally.
SS. SS. SS. I was 15 when these came out. No way I'd ever get them as a first car lol...But I sure did gawk at them in the magazines of the day. I was more into the Ford then, but the Camaro usually always came out on top in comparos. Today, I'd go with the SS. There's not a wrong choice here. About 2001, I got a 95 Prelude SE, and that car stickered for the same or more than these cars lol. Prelude was fantastic. Well built, I still own one to this day even, a 94 with 265k going strong. But the amount of performance from these domestic bruisers for the money was insane!! Cheers!
Great video. I've driven both cars and owned 3 ls1 camaro's. The ls1 camaro ran low to mid 13's all day long. I got 13.3 with cat back aftermarket exhaust from my 1998 coupe.
These cobras could run mid 13 too.
@midnight347 they were typically from my experience a touch slower then the z28 and ss camaros. 13.7 was about the best cobra I recall running in stock form. Then we all know what for did in 03 with the cobra😳
I have my eyes open for a 96-98 Cobra in good shape, they are still a great looking car. It would look nice next to my 90 5.0 notch.
You selling that fox?
@@dagoat5064 You can fight my boys for it when I die, haha.
That Camaro driver is garbage that Camaro SS will lay waist to a Cobra of that year hopefully this horrible race didn't steer to many people to get that Cobra because if so I'm sure they found out they couldn't really match the SS lol
Chevy was making track cars even back then amazing something tells me the guy in the Camaro didn't know what he was doing
Or.... Maybe the guy in the Mustang didn't know what he was doing.
@@daleostrom3613 the guy in the mustang didn't do a burnout in a drag race though! I think they did some things on.purpose to try to help the mustang tie the comparison!
There's a MotowWeek review somewhere around here that shows a 3rd-gen Camaro (idk if 4bbl or TPI) outracing a whole-ass USDM 928 with far more power. Chevy probably made the right move switching to the Australian multilink in the end, but the 3rd and 4th gen Camaros show that they were likewise masters of the live axle setup
The Camaro would win the 1/4 mile if the driver didn't burn the tires off
MotorWeek Retro reviews RULE
It’s funny how “sleek modern design” turned into “ugly cheap weed machine” 2 decades later
The camaros pretty nice still they hang with new muscle cars with very little modding and are very aero dynamic